Show #2707
DIALOGUE edit
part 1
Smart Dogs Eat Low Carb with Guest, Patrick Wardell 

Part 2
Cattle Ranching that's Better for the Planet  with Guest, Will Harris

We are joined by will Harris.
The beef category has become very competitive over the past decade. There are lots of reasons that people are being told they should buy this product of that product but I want to talk about something that might be the most important.

Your beef is delicious. Your prices are extremely competitive, but there's one thing that you bring to the party that actually could help us shed today’s stigma of eating beef.

The reality is that patronizing white Oak pastures is a shot for responsible beef production People can eat white Oak pasture products including beef and be able to say “Here's what it really does to the planet. Isn't that now a more important argument than just the quality and price of beef?

Will Harris: [00:50:05]
It absolutely is. Carl. I appreciate you bringing that up first. We have been told for a decade that beef is bad for you, beef is bad for the environment.  Let's just focus on the environment here, because on my farm, we've got crystal clear scientific evidence that that is not the case. For the last decade there has been this super charged initiative to demean beef as an environmentally damaging production system.

It is not correct.  Now, the way we had previously produced beef; there’s a lot wrong with that. At our farm, we had an $80,000 dollar scientific study called the LCA lifecycle assessment done by a third party environmental engineering group from Minneapolis.

They came down and proved that we actually sequester 3.5 pounds of carbon dioxide equivalent for every pound of beef. I was very glad when we had a customer offer to pay for that very expensive study, I couldn't afford to do that. Not that it told me anything we didn't know. I knew we were sequestering carbon by the way the land has changed color going from red to a very dark, almost black. That's carbon. It wasn’t scientific validation nor could I quantify it. I just knew it was happening.

They actually took soil samples at depths up to one meter and they worked our administration people to death, providing invoices, how much diesel fuel we bought, how much electricity we bought, how much everything that we bought. They pushed it all into their program and found the numbers that I gave you earlier with a negative 3.5 pounds of carbon dioxide equivalent that we sequestered for every pound of beef grass fed beef that we sell. I call your attention to the fact that we don't apply carbon to the soil. That negative 3.5 pounds of carbon was previously greenhouse gases.

Carl Lanore: [00:54:17]
I want to point out that you have conventional beef, pork, chicken, and you have the supposed new alternatives to beef that everybody including Bill Gates wants us to start eating. Compared to White Oak Pastures, those produce plus 4 and plus 3.5 respectively for beyond burger and impossible burger. Hell, soybean is a plus 2.  The argument that growing foods is somehow better is just a lie when you compare it to White Oak Pastures products.

Will Harris: [00:54:58]
It is. The lifecycle assessment that we had done is by the same environmental engineers that did the lifecycle assessment for impossible burger.

And I actually invited the CEO of impossible burger to come down to let me show him what we're doing. They went silent on me.  Mr. Gates has been so vocal it’s an oxymoron that when I invited him he didn't respond. I would love to have these people come. I would like to demonstrate to them, this is what we do. We've been doing it for a long time, 25 years. These are the results we've had.

Carl Lanore: [00:56:07]
You and I both know that their issue isn't what's good for the planet. Their issue is taking control of what people eat. They love to use the word sustainable. In fact, I had a scientist from the UK on three weeks ago, talking about how high-glycemic carbohydrates are driving heart disease, not red meat yet he kept saying, but of course I'm for sustainability. So what he was saying was he’s really not pro red meat because that's politically correct for him to say? Why are people being lied to about how much beef Americans eat and how harmful beef is to the planet? What's the real reason do you think?

Will Harris: [00:57:05]
I think you'd have to follow the money. I can only speculate, but it is incredible. The “evidence” that's being shown is junk science. It's incredible to me how rapidly this junk science has become so pervasive.

Carl Lanore:
It's a complete lie that we have to get rid of red meat. Getting rid of red meat will actually decrease sustainability of agriculture, not increase sustainability.

Will Harris: [01:03:28]
It would decrease the sustainability. I can literally document here on my farm -a soil sample from here and the dirt from a neighbor's land looks like it came from two different planets Basically the same soil types because the system is the same. The only difference is mine has been managed with maximum animal impact over the last 25 year.

Carl Lanore:
I'm saying to my audience today is that white Oak Pastures Beef is so delicious, it's so good. It has the right amount of fat, it’s just perfect. Even if I was exaggerating, which I’m not, if you are someone who is conscientious, and think anything we can do to help the planet is a good idea, how can you not buy beef from White Oak Pastures?  They're doing it right. They're doing it the way all farms should do it

They have a special offering to my audience. If you go to the link shrnetwork.biz/whiteoak, you can save 20% off using the code SHR20, give them a try.

Not only will you enjoy the flavor and the experience, but you'll sleep better that night because your conscience will be clear.  You can know the beef you’re eating is better for the planet than the soy people eat.  Natalie just put this up. This is what American are eating. There's red meat up at the 12. O'clock 110 pounds a year. Now. Look at, look at fruits, 273 pounds a year. Look at vegetables, 415 pounds a year. Look at sugar, 141 pounds. Look at dairy. We're being lied to. Joel green and I covered this yesterday, that tribalism has replaced critical thinking. It's more important for you to repeat the lie so that you can support your tribe than it is to tell the truth. That's what's taking place today. This is why we have fact resistant human beings today. Natalie put something else up here. I love it. It comes wrapped just like from a butcher. It's beautiful. Thanks for putting that up, Natalie. Folks don't continue to propagate the lie. Eat White Oak Pastures beef and have a clean conscience. Tell a vegan you’re doing more for the planet than they are and be able to show them, prove it. I think it's brilliant.

Will Harris: [01:08:17]
 I’d like to expand on the point you made about how incredibly rapidly and thoroughly the, lie about beef destroying the earth has permeated through our society. Virtually. everybody's heard it and likely most people believe it. It's interesting to me that it has manifested itself in this very effective campaign; Meatless Monday.  Compare red meat and produce the way we do it to sugar. Sugar is super highly subsidized by tax payer dollars. The production of sugar is one of those highly subsidize commodities. Sugar causes obesity. I think it’s arguable that peoples great grandmama knew that. Sugar rots your teeth. Sugar responsible for a lot more negatives. Sugar is particularly harmful for the environment. You burn those fields off before they harvest and all the smoke goes up into the airl

Carl Lanore:
A listener asks: “what do you feed the cows at White Oak Pastures?  I'm assuming they're pasture fed, right?

Will Harris: [01:10:27]
 They are.  We do harvest forage in the form of hay to feed them during times when we may have slow pasture growth, be it dormant season, or drought, though we don't really have many droughts but it can happen. It's all growing grass, or harvested forage.

Carl Lanore: [01:10:49]
I've been told that corn stalks are actually considered a grass, not the corn itself, but the stalk and the leaves is that true?

Will Harris: [01:11:04]
Corn is a grass and there's really nothing wrong with feeding corn without the matured grain. I don't do it, but I have friends who do, and as long as that corn is fed before the grain is mature, I think it's a perfectly acceptable feed.  I think it has all the possible impacts you'd want on the environment.  You get maximum environmental benefit with your perennial grasses which come back year after year after year.  Corn, while it is a grass, is an annual grass, so it's not quite as good.

Carl Lanore: [01:12:32
The website is white Oak pastures.com. If you want to get the deal, shrnetwork.biz/white Oak and use code SHR20.  However you get there, you must patronize this company because they are doing it right. Their prices are right. The products are fantastic.

Will Harris: [01:13:08]
Everything's done here on the farm in Bluffton, Georgia.

Carl Lanore:
I want to thank you for returning as a sponsor. I love your products and I feel better buying from White Oak Pastures. I hope that my audience picks up on this because there is no better producer out there, producing animal protein conscientiously while 100% under Will’s control. This is a big deal to me.

Thanks for being here today Will.