[00:00:00] Prepare to experience the strongest radio allowable by will be revealed from the new Union. We're exclusive never apply if superhuman radio with your host Carl.

Hey, hey, welcome back to another episode of superhuman radio. We have a really good show plan today during the first half hour. I'll be joined by my co-host. Dr. Jeff golini to talk about some new research that showed that actually points out the chemicals that have found in vegetables that prevent colon cancer very very important.

And then we're going to be joined by Joel green. To talk about scientism the truth is out there. But how do you find it science has been [00:01:00] co-opted we're going to talk about that later in the show a couple of nouns have to make first of all All-American Pharmaceuticals in EFX Sports is giving away six of their top-selling products absolutely free you pay five dollars and change for shipping go to super human radio.

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Golini. Are you doing dr. J. Um doing wonderful. How about you today? Carl? Good good. You've been traveling a lot haven't. I have man boy. I mean since you've become actually for many years, uh All-American, uh Pharmaceuticals in EFX Sports depended on sponsored athletes to help carry the word for word about their products, but the reality was they had a they had a sponsored athlete at the home of the company and that was you and since you've broken out.

I mean, you've got like a half million followers on Facebook now since you've broken out, And become the face of the company you're on the road a lot. Now I am I'm heading uh here tomorrow to Ohio. I'll be in Sylvania, which is Toledo Ohio at bullfrog nutrition doing a parents and book signing. [00:03:00] Jay Cutler will be there too.

So I'm in good company man. Yeah man, this is so cool. I I just feel like it was it was about time. That you stood up and took the Fanfare that you deserve and I know that the fans love to meet you. They love to see you. They love to talk to you because you'll probably one of the most down-to-earth approachable guys.

Oh that they'll meet in this industry. So check that out. I love I love talking to people. It's fun. Yeah, absolutely and we're gonna be talkin today about something interesting. I know this is a this is a big deal for you because you're a huge guy was like people just don't eat enough vegetables.

You've said this to me if thousand times, you know, um, I posted a picture of dinner the other night and I said, Plant-based doesn't have to be me doesn't have to mean meatless. But clearly we need to eat more vegetables. And now this study is pointing out that the certain compounds found especially in broccoli prevent colon cancer.

This I'll [00:04:00] tell you was very very interesting, you know, as you know, I have my new um, non-profit Foundation st. Anthony's research and Education Institute. And one of the things we're going to be continuing on is cancer research. I'm very passionate about finding a cure but I think a lot of it is preventable and this study really excited me.

Um, Because it's something as simple as eating vegetables that are rich in indole-3-carbinol. I know basically when you eat these kale cabbage and broccoli just to mention a few, you know, uh, your body converts that into this indole-3-carbinol, but very interesting, you know, I used to call these kind of a pre probiotic because of what they do to the gut.

Interesting and and and to be clear about this they were supplements that came out within Daltrey carbonyl back in the day that was supposed to have the ability to cause the body to clear [00:05:00] more estrogen through the liver right isn't that the compound that they used to use a natural compound for women to help control high estrogen levels, right?

It is, you know, I mean most of these compounds obviously have multifaceted. Um, Situations that they deal with this just happens to be one thing that in those three carbonyl does but there are a variety of other things like what you mentioned. It has come and gone in the supplement industry. It's really, uh funky tasting and smelling it smells like sulfur you get it on your hands you stink for days on end, right?

It's very it's very tough to work with but interestingly the in dolls, especially in broccoli have been attributed to a variety of health benefits over the past. Yeah. Yeah, well, you know we've been talkin about the gut. I mean you and I are gut people I saw uh an interview. I don't know if it was recent or a long time ago.

You did with Palumbo about the gut right? I just happened to see that last night, you [00:06:00] know people people don't realize that everything comes back to the gut and I like to study because they went on to say, you know, we've uh, we've told people that eating red meat causes colon cancer. Uh, I think.

On you know, and at least at least they're saying that now right back in the day, they wouldn't have given that up right and you know, a lot of that they had no real opinion. That was a speculation. It wasn't even what I call hypotheses. I mean, it was just somebody speculation because of some far-fetched idea where you know this study, um, basically showing that that HR.

Uh chemical, you know is what is causing the stimulation of these the cells. I mean these bacteria living there's trillions of them and they send out signals, you know, so it's a very very, uh intrical system very delicate yet. Very robust at the same time, [00:07:00] you know, when we talk about the gut it's actually discounted in its impact in health because.

We don't realize that the gut is the immune system. But even saying it's the immune system somehow makes it less sound less important than other things, but I want to tell you about a study that's being done right now at in California. There's an anti-rejection drug called rapamycin rapamycin was a microbe that was discovered in the sand of one of the Easter Islands long long time ago.

And what rapper myosin does is when they give you a kidney transplant or heart transplant from another person they give you rapamycin because rapamycin literally shuts off your immune system now just this way listen to this for a second. Because I've come up with an idea for anti-aging I want to share so rapamycin literally turns off the immune [00:08:00] system.

So your body doesn't go. Hey, that's not my heart. I got to get that thing out of here. I gotta kill it because that's what would happen. If they don't turn off your immune system immune system goes that's not an original part of mine. I don't know how that got in here, but I got eradicate it and it releases T cells and all these other cells that are designed to go out there and destroy.

That new organ you just got well, what they've discovered is if you take a low dose of rapamycin once every two weeks and rapamycin has a half-life of about twelve hours who are talkin about not enough to make you susceptible to getting a life-threatening cold or something which people who have organ transplants.

They have to be careful of getting anyting because their immune systems turned off, but if you give the immune system a vacation. For 12 hours, once every two weeks amazing things happen to the body the body literally starts to get younger. So what does this mean to us? Here's what I think it means to us.

[00:09:00] Having a robust immune system, but one that's not busy attacking. Everything is the key to longevity just having a strong immune system isn't enough. If you're drinking things and eating things that give you a stuffy nose or immune response your immune system is working all the time and immune system that works all the time start to attack the body by accident.

So the key to longevity is not just having a strong immune system. But having one that's not doing battle all the time. That's gonna think they're gonna discover that a hundred years from that gonna go. Oh now we know how to live for 200 years well and you know, I've already discovered this with arthritis.

I mean people don't realize that again arthritis is presentable. It's the immune system continually thinking there is uh, something happening at that joint. You know when you're injured when you get a cut, you know, you've got all these cells coming in. They're doing battle. That's why it gets red.

And when those cells continually think there's an injury [00:10:00] you get what's called chronic inflammation which then leads to arthritis. So this is all going back to what you said, you know, if your immune system is constantly taxed it kind of goes into autopilot. So to say that things oh, okay, and it goes into the far extreme where it starts killing off good stuff Brian attacking.

Sales and good tissue, right something I just thought about here. I was actually thinking about this. Um, you know, I'm always against these people who get way off to the left on diets. I'm a vegetarian. I only need vegetables. I'm immediate area I only fats and we've seen so many of them. Yes. I think a lot of the problems are is people don't understand the importance of food to our body.

Everybody is so concerned about either gaining muscle or losing body fat that they are losing longevity because they're leaving out things like kale cabbage and broccoli [00:11:00] because too many carbohydrates are too many calories. You're leaving out good healthy red meat and and missing our B12 and creatine and other and zinc and other things like that.

Yeah. And I understand there are certain things that you know don't agree with your body and you should not eat those, you know, for instance if you're bothered by lactose gluten then you know moderate or donate those but don't just go on some, you know fat tangent because something is going to be deficient.

And that's why I'm against all of these diets. So to say I'm not against you know, uh doing keto or doing Adkins or South Beach or anything, but I'm against you know, that people don't understand how to do them and they completely take it so far to the left that they cut out things, you know that are important like you said whether it's just I'm not eating red meat why uh, because uh, it's got too much fat.

Oh, really? I'm not [00:12:00] eating broccoli. Why? As you know, it's a living plant. Okay, you know what? I so funny you say this I just went on this rant Tuesday, and I said, yeah because I said, you know what? I I I stay in the middle when it comes to diet you have to stay in the middle. If you're out to a fringe on the left of the right if your diet allows you to belong to a club.

Yeah or Cruise gives you special membership to a cruise or an event you're picking the diet for the wrong reason you're picking it for social structure. Instead of what is is is really good for your body and the middle now there are foods that you should avoid don't get me wrong. But the reality is that eating a healthy diet is more about being in the middle than being On The Fringe somewhere.

Absolutely and and taking a step back, you know Back To Nature. So to say, you know, uh, once you process something you've killed the [00:13:00] food, I mean you take uh, you know, Broccoli, for instance once you boil it and steam it and kill it. I mean, you don't killed off all the nutrients, you know, you've got to get it as close to Raw as possible letting known frying it or modifying it or you know Roundup.

I mean, those are all the things that kill the food sources and you know this day and age with all of us so busy, you know, we depend on fast foods and let's face it. You know, we are not getting enough. Vegetables and this is just one thing. That we find in vegetables people forget about how important fiber is to the gut, you know, again, uh, the people that go so far to the left on keto where you know, they're drinking, uh quarts of soybean oil and eating, you know, two pounds of butter and they're getting no vegetables because you know, there's a milligram of carbohydrates again, you know, you're gonna you're gonna break down you're gonna hinder your system and [00:14:00] this study is a perfect example about balance.

Um, it's not saying don't eat red meat that's basically saying look red meat doesn't cause colon cancer. This is what we're finding in to lack of this indole-3-carbinol here is where it comes from. And here is what it does. So I like that not only that they give us some information but they already came up with what it does and that's a mechanism of how this works.

Yeah. Yeah, that's important because too often people are expected to take information blindly just because someone said the majority of Americans today are smart. They want to know why something does what it does. Yep, and it's not just the fiber as you point out. It's the other. Uh, uh, what do I want to say?

The other things that are in these vegetables that actually have health benefits aside from just the Fiber Well, and this is the other cool thing is they basically genetically modified these uh these animals so that they [00:15:00] wouldn't produce any of the HR the seat 13 or whatever that was. Um, so they went into inflammation mode.

They started to develop colon cancer, but did you see when they. Reintroduced the industry carbonyl the broccoli and the kale to their diet that the cancer reversed and went into remission. Which isn't that wonderful to people who are listening to the show right now going gosh. I haven't been eating much vegetables because I'm on the new carnivore diet just reintroduce it.

Don't worry about it because it'll fix things. It's not about you know, it's not like, uh, it really is food is medicine. That's that's really the bottom line here. Take it seriously. Yeah, let's take a quick commercial break. We'll be right back to discuss this a little bit further stay tuned.

Welcome back eat your vegetables [00:16:00] and eat your meat, you know, I like to just stay with us for a second longer this idea that the the extreme diets that we've undertaken for specific reasons. I mean, I can see you doing full-on keto for the rest of your life if if you've got. Glioblastoma, and you're reversing your brain tumor or doing it for a few years as prescribed by the Food and Drug Administration for the treatment of epilepsy and seizures and young children.

But but when you look at us from an evolutionary perspective, we are diet changed with the season, uh diet change with the with the geography that we happen to be inhabiting. We have not eaten the same thing day in and day out. Ad infinitum the way we do today thanks to Agriculture and refrigerators and cupboards and food processing.

There's a lot to be said about that as well the you know, I was just talkin to somebody [00:17:00] the other day and I said well pretty soon. I'm gonna start phasing fruit out of my diet and she said why I said well we wouldn't have had fruit in the wintertime. Oh she said but we do now that why not take advantage of it year long and I said, well, perhaps the body likes it.

The way it had it for millions of years instead of just 100. Yep. Just what do you think? You know, that is a good point. I mean the body does like I believe um consistency but I think again Nature has put together the seasons for a reason, you know. There's a reason why it's Knows Why does the snow?

What is it a cold? Why does everything die I think it's a way for us to rest, you know, most people don't do as much in the winter. There's more time to rest recuperate, but I think you're absolutely right. I think sometimes the diet needs to take a little [00:18:00] rest from things, um, you know, especially now, Days, unless you got you know, you live in California and you get you can get organic fruit, you know, those people have adapted to be eating those things around.

But yeah, there is a point to that that is interesting well and there's there's a the what I like to call the theory of abundance and scarcest scarcity, and I've actually talked about this over the years. And we know that everything in life seems to work for a while and then it stops working and that's because what something is is always there the body adapts to it.

This this has to do with exercise modalities that has to do with diets and even has to do with drugs, you know, right there was a guy named Bill Roberts who wrote a little short book about using anabolic steroids for two weeks on four weeks off so that you don't interrupt the hepatic. I mean the hypothalamic pulsatilla tea and and and feedback and you can [00:19:00] actually ride that out for years.

He postulated without interrupting your own natural testosterone levels because the body will you could take testosterone injectable testosterone for two weeks before the HPA axis goes. Oh, we don't need to make testosterone and shuts off. So his theory was you do it for two weeks and then you stop.

Before and let the body do its own thing and you making small gains over a longer period of time and you end up better off in the long run so we know that there's and then Alex Leaf wrote a fantastic blog post on the website super radio about. Taking fish oil supplements and what they discovered was that when people took the same dose of fish oil day in and day out the body started to burn the DHA as a source of energy instead of using it to stop inflammation.

But when you took a bolus erratically like two or three times a week the body stored the DHA. And it used it [00:20:00] to to quench inflammation. So what that tells you is that when the body sees you're getting that stuff every day it goes. Oh, it's nothing special. We don't need to do anything. We're going to have more tomorrow.

Let's waste it today and and really that approach to taking fish oil. More emulates the way we would have eaten fish. We would have eaten a big piece of fish. Maybe two or three times a week. The body goes out. I'm Gonna Save that DHA so that I could put out the fires information. But if you're eating a day in and day out for every single meal the body goes I don't have to be I don't have to be particular about what I do with this well, and the other thing is people need to learn to listen to their body, you know your body when you.

Again, you've got to be tuned in. You know, when you're craving something sweet. Your body is telling you you need some fruit. If you're not craving it. You don't need it. Don't eat it. I mean don't too many people go and especially you know, you get in the bodybuilders. Well, I just eat you know [00:21:00] for what I have to have and it's all a numbers game but really it has to be what you're feeling, you know, if you are tired and you've got no energy.

I'm sorry. You need some carbohydrates not caffeine, you know, if you're feeling weak a little depressed. You need more red meat, you know, you will have cravings at time for fish or chicken or certain protein sources. As you need something that is found in those protein sources. So again, we really have to learn how to listen to our body.

I always say we listen to our car. We know every knock and every light and we take it in and we get a service and we feel the tires up because something's wrong, but we don't want to listen to our body curl. It's really funny that you say this because you have to really ignore your body to develop a disease in today's day and age.

Yep. You have that you have to be like like coming full circle to the whole immune response. If you eat a certain food that makes you know stuffy makes your itchy makes you feel terrible, but you keep eating it you're [00:22:00] ignoring your body's reaction because you love the way that that food tastes so you have ignored for a long time and then eventually you develop a disease.

You run your car at a hundred miles an hour if you could go straight forever. The motor is going to blow up. I mean you're gonna run out of gas, you know, I mean, so again the body is the same way, you know, you can't just run it and disregard all the warning signs and think that you can stick water down in the gas tank because it's cheaper and nothing's gonna happen to the motor will same thing with the body people just don't think they put stuff down their throat not thinking what is doing their system, you know, our body is very resilient.

But as we. Uh decrease in we start killing off microbes, you know again ailments are going to happen just of them are yeah, most of them are preventable and will continue to say that and the own right? Yep. The older you get the less the body likes to compensate. Yep, [00:23:00] and we get lazy, you know, I've heard people go.

Well, you know, I've lived to be 50. So who cares? I'm gonna die sooner or later. Well, how about a hundred pick a number? You know, I'm with you then I'm with you. You know what I'm so quick. Let's plug where you're going to be in this weekend for the listeners. We're listening live. Yes, sir. So I'm going to be in Sylvania Ohio.

That's Toledo, Ohio. It's up toward the Michigan border. Um at a store called bullfrog nutrition great supplement store. Um, they sell a lot of EFX Sports. Uh, so I'm going to be up there for book signing and appearance, but they'll be. Uh, Jay Cutler will be there along with three or four other ifbb Pro.

Um, the owner Paul Callan, uh, somehow has gotten all these people to come in for his one-year anniversary. If you're going to be around the Lorraine area because I know a lot of people are going to come see me as a matter fact, we had our class reunions last weekend and I didn't know about it till the last minute I said, well, geez, I'm not going to be in town to the weekend after so they're [00:24:00] having a special doctor Jeff reunions.

Dude, I feel I feel kind of special man. You like a rockstar. I was like, are you kidding me? You know because I have some friends that I keep in contact with from high school and all of a sudden it's all over Facebook, you know come see. Dr. Jeff at marks house six o'clock open, you know, that's going to be so cool.

We'll have fun. So I told my friend I said you may end up, you know hundred people there. I hope you do that would be so cool. Take pictures do a Facebook live if that's what happens. If they won't regret you. Don't me man. I'll be I'll be Facebook and Instagram liven and kind of showing people what's going on, but I'm excited.

That's my hometown. So that's where I'll be at this weekend and next trip will be the mr. Olympia in Las Vegas in September. There you go. Have fun this weekend and make sure if you're listening to the show, and you're up there to stop by and say hello to dr. Jeff. See you guys. Talk to you later, brother.

Bye-bye. We're gonna take one quick commercial break and when we come back we're going to be joined by Joe Greene. [00:25:00] So we're going to talk about scientists and in search of the truth. How do you decipher what science to pay attention to and what not to becomes very very confusing. We're going to try to get to the bottom of that just a minute stay tuned.

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Well metagenic is just right around the corner from where I'm at. Um, but this actually ties into some of the things we were going to talk about. So I would say to your listeners, um, run don't walk to buy those supplements if you can get them, um, it's interesting because I have a I have a friend who um had [00:27:00] a had an abscess in the knee went to the doctor.

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They are Omega-3 derivatives. But yeah SPF, I take them they're called they're called specific Pro, uh Pro resolve and mediators Right medical genetics is the only company that does this they take uh, fish oil. And they extract from the fish oil and concentrate the SPM portion of it. Right? So I took them when I first had my foot surgery part of the reason that I healed so fast because I was taking six of those a day along with my fish oil.

Yeah, it's when you dive into um, [00:28:00] what are what are called steroidal fractions of omega-3 fats. They're called a Cosa noids. Um, and when you dive into these things and then you begin to fraction them out you get things that are as powerful or more powerful than drugs and they can work on a lot of different things.

And particular product you were using on it's called 18h HEPA and 17h DHA and they're all fractions of steroid Koza noids. And when you break down how inflammation Works, um, there are very specific signaling molecules on the um, EPA omega-3 side of the equation with very specific proteins called resolve.

That um are the initiators of Spain down inflammation. And so to think that you could get a product like this without a prescription is amazing and let me say something. I still take them today. I take them post workout with my post workout meal because they help you recover from your workouts faster.

In fact, I sincerely believe what I'm about to say I use to use [00:29:00] of growth hormone post workout with a group of other peptides but nothing. Nothing makes me feel like I'm ready for a workout the next day. Like when I take those spms I take four of them post-workout. They're not cheap, but look people spend a lot of money on drugs to help them recover faster so that they can train these spms are like magic.

Well, yeah, they are. Like I said they are they are as or more powerful than drugs when you when you break down signal and you break down signal tracking and Signal molecules in terms of actually did this once with Ron, you know, I broke down both sides of the inflammation equation. Um, and when you look at the omega-3 side and you look at these very specific codes annoyed derived compounds, um, they are essentially the master switches that regulate inflammation.

And when you start taking um, very specific, uh, cozy fractions of Omega fats, [00:30:00] you can do things that um, simply Boggle the mind. I mean, that's the basis of signaling and all kinds of other things but these things are incredibly powerful food based substances that um, like like like yo, you are an example of what I'm talking about there more powerful than drugs and where this ties into our condo today.

I thought was really interesting. Is this this whole show started from a thread in 180 forms you were doing? Yeah, so let me set the stage. So let me set the stage. Uh, I I'm very open-minded about things but I am not someone who is susceptible to snake oil. I'm just not because I have a pretty good BS meter.

Um, when we were at quest one of the times in the past, uh, what they did there was they actually it was Victoria delos, I believe. They drew blood. Uh, they looked at the phenomenon called effect where the red blood cells clumped together. They stack up like like a roll of [00:31:00] quarters which impairs oxygen-carrying ability, but also could increase thrombotic index, uh and clotting and then she sat with a.

Uh a pad at her desk for like a half hour and they drew blood again and they used the dark field microscope and the the red blood cells went end-to-end. The clumps were all gone. And so when that happened it was the first time that I actually thought grounding isn't BS right? I'd like up to that point.

I thought grounding has to be come on, but when I saw that I saw a direct physiological effect on blood. And then I thought to myself there's more going on than than just that obviously so I was commenting and a guy named Peter. Uh, no. No, I can't think of his name. I'll find it in a second. But anyway, um, He was saying that grounding is BS and he's a physicist and it's complete hogwash [00:32:00] and and I was saying there may be more to it from an evolutionary perspective.

There was a time when we thought son was dangerous for us now or understanding that the lack of sun is leading to diseases in our population and we evolved with feet on the earth and even back in the day when we um, Some 40,000 years ago. We started to make uh, take hide from animals and make souls to protect our feet.

We we still had. Uh, we had no we had dielectric failure. We had the ability for uh for voltages to pass through the skin from from Through The Souls of those those but now we gone to rubber everything is grounded. We live in homes that are off the ground and could that be an effect of this could grounding be doing something?

So I'm open-minded. I was being told that the science is weakened you jumped in and you made some comments as well. So now you pick it up from there. This is why we're doing the show today because how do you know? What science to pay attention to and what not the science that was Pro [00:33:00] grounding was dismissed as being faulty, uh improperly done the science that was against grounding was was viewed as uh, altruistic and honest and on the mark.

How do you choose? Yeah, get to a really interesting discussion. Um and there's a lot of things we just assumed to be true that that are in fact, probably not true and the bigger question really just gets to like well, how do we know? How can we find what is true and. I'm lying. A lot of this are some really big fundamental shifts that have happened on both society and within science over the last 20 years and underlying.

These are are very very profound shifts in. In what it is that how we can know what's true. What science can do what science can't do and are there other ways that we can know what's true and you know the end of the day what science is supposed to be is an open search for truth. That's what science is is supposed to be it's supposed to be.

Well, [00:34:00] we take the data and the data takes us to the truth regardless of our bias. That's what it's supposed to be. But what we have today, um are are we have we have variance of that we have the. I'll scientism which can be interpreted. A lot of different ways scientist really sort of as a phrase began in the mid 90s.

When a chemist named Peter Adkins wrote, um wrote a big long essay called science as truth and it was a big shift, um prior to that like when I was growing up like, um, uh call you probably experienced this as well. Look if you took a college class and there was a scientist Professor teaching in they were very humble.

They were very like, um, very, um, Very very limited and making prognostications about the universality of things. They would say things like well, you know, we don't know it may be we can't be sure. We don't know. It was very very sort of humble thing. And what you find today is exact opposite of that you find.

If [00:35:00] scientist says it it must be true. Um, and so the the sort of like, um, the creeping sort of belief that number one that that science is universally competent to answer any and all questions number one and that sort of the religious religion fication of it where that you know, the guy in the lab code is really the modern clergy and if he says it well therefore it must be true and it can't be questioned.

These are things that have actually crept into the picture now. And. That's that's sort of one thing. And another thing along with that is well, is that the only way that we can know what's true? And it turns out that's what that that's that's kind of the soil for the show is like other ways that we can know.

What's true. Are they valid? What are the you know and all these things. I think they play on the audience because we have entered this age that um was spoken about by people like Huxley where by and large people would just defer what they thought to what authority figures tell them is. And [00:36:00] I just personally I like to think for myself and I think most people like to think they think for themselves, but if we're deferring to what authority figures tell us is true.

How do we really know? What's true? And the reason this is important is because it's happening in every area of Life today. This is not about grounding right? I'm not I'm not I'm not saying oh we're talkin about grounding here today. This is a science in general. What's happening to us right now?

As you so accurately pointed out the the the Hallmark of scientific discourse used to be uh, that people were allowed to have opinions. Um, and we're allowed to use scientific evidence to propose. Uh, we used to use the term postulate a lot, uh that because we didn't know the reason that Doctor's practice medicine is because medicine isn't [00:37:00] finished becoming medicine yet.

It's changing every single day. And even in that thread when this gentleman kept saying well, you know physics physics physics physics I said well later. Let me has it physics been wrong at one time physicists thought that light traveled through something called ether. That that we were surrounded by Ether and that's how light traveled from point A to point B, and then they found that that wasn't true.

So, uh to stand and dig your heels in today about anything about science just shows. That you are not a scientist. You are more like a clergy you have Dogma you have an investment in your opinion. Maybe you've written a book. Maybe you're a blogger. Maybe you're someone who goes around and speaks and makes money based on this opinion.

If you're willing to defend it and say no this is absolutely the way it is. Then you're going to end up like a lot of other people in the scientific Community from [00:38:00] hundreds of years ago that we look back and go. Wow, they had it wrong. So you got to be you got to be cordial. You have to be open to discourse.

You can maintain your opinion. You can say well I disagree with that. I'll maintain my opinion but today and quite frankly Joel. The problem is the people and here's why I say that because people want to be told. What's the one thing I need to do? What's the one drug? I need to take. What's the one diet?

I need to stick to what the one exercise I need to do people want to be told and this is opened up a bumper crop of self-appointed gurus today. Yeah, it's interesting. You know, I I never consider myself, uh, you know an expert or Guru. I just I just consider myself a a consumer who's you know, Ben Ben led the wrong direction so many times by gurus and experts that I just.

You know, like if we're going to talk about something I'm gonna be really educated on that and I'm going to know as much as I can no on it. [00:39:00] And so so based on that. I like to think for myself and what you're speaking to really is. Um, But what we would call um infantilism or keeping intellectually keeping people sort of children in a sense because rather than think for yourself what you'll hear a lot is well, what's the answer or or I don't know I have to defer to you know, the authority figure whoever he is.

Maybe he's you know, uh, maybe he's a follower or whoever and you really hit it on the head when you said referencing what happened in your Forum because. It used to be there's the kind of the pre sort of shift. I'm talkin about in the post. There's three key markers. I think as you were talking I was thinking about the first was humility.

Uh, we were in an era where you found a lot of scientists actually very humble. They would say well, I don't know but now you find arrogance you find like when you're when you're talkin with gerson's you find this [00:40:00] sort of arrogance there, like now here's how it is and then the second was this.

Previously this belief that we were in this open search for truth. And now what you find is that there's this idea that science is this closed loop belief system that you either agree to or you don't and if you don't agree then you know, you get called names and your entire or whatever but it's this intellectual hegemony that is not scientific in nature.

It is institutional in nature. And so you have this thing where. We have mistakenly come to think while scientists is science because the scientific science if a scientist doesn't it must be science. And so with that is this bias that. Um, first of all, we know that all human institutions, um are historically unreliable institutions and that they are all prone to self-serving and Corruption and the same things that um [00:41:00] that all institutions fall victim to uh, but we get into this sort of bias where we think that well.

Well not the science clergy. Um, they they are immune. To institutional bias institutional corruption their immune that um, if the guy has if somebody has their I'm a I'm a I'm a you know genius makhan, then they are free from institutional bias. But what we find in practice is that um, that's not really true that the instant the institutional process of what we call science.

Um, We think it has this unshakable reliability, but it's just as vulnerable. I'll give you one example. Um, so correlation causation is something we think well, you know sign that's what science is supposed to ferret out. Right? Right. It should it out. Right? So let's take glutens you have gluten and you have sort of like you have a lot of you have a lot of [00:42:00] quote-unquote, you know.

Guru's that will tell you what wins about but what you find is a correlation and it doesn't mean that it's causative. The correlation is that when you find gluten intolerances what's missing or certain types of bacteria? And then when you replace those bacteria that gluten intolerance is go away.

And so we have this entire body of thinking in nutrition that it should be free of this sort of corruption and thinking correlation versus causation, but it's not. Why because the institution is just as vulnerable to those errors of thinking and so. What we've been thinking is all wants the food's problem is the food's see science shows us.

It's the food's guess what it's not the foods. It was a correlation the causative. What it is is the bacteria in your gut and time and time again, the science is now showing that when we replace the right bacteria in the gut all the gluten free gluten intolerance symptoms go away. So it was it was a mistake in thinking it was never the food's [00:43:00] it was the bacteria.

We just completed the the cause. Based on correlation, right? You know, I want to take a break. I want to get deeper into this. But I also want to start to ask people to start to rely on their own critical thinking and if for no other reason I'm going to make the argument that you will fare better making your own mistakes than making the mistakes Guided by other people we're talkin with Joel green has website is Veep vep.

And it is the place to go. If you want real information about effective nutrition stay tuned. We'll be right back.

Welcome back to super human radio talking with Joel green. So Marcus angle is the uh, gentleman who uh, we were talkin about I couldn't think of his name, but he actually just posted on today's show. And and I want to I want to enter [00:44:00] his his opinion into this discussion and and get you to respond Joel.

He I said he said he said how does one detect dubious science. There are signs I said, well, please tell me what they are and I'll mention them on the air. He said I think the point of controlled experiments is that critical thinking, uh, uh quotations is frequently off. Richard Feynman has some brilliant quotes about this.

So his assertion is that that critical thinking is flawed and to some degree. I would agree with him from the standpoint that critical thinking is built on what you know to be true and I think a lot of people confused about what is true and that science has contributed to that as well. What do you think?

Well, um, First of all, it's a so backing up what science is ultimately as a [00:45:00] method that's what it is. It's a method of trying to eliminate the biases in our thinking but that's what it is. So based on that anybody can actually do it. If you follow the method, um, the what we get into though is sort of this idea that.

That's the only way that we can know what's true on what and I would just I would say well no, of course that's ridiculous on and it never used to be assumed that that was the only way that we could know. What's true. I mean the majority of science scientists would not have agreed with that. Um, they were used to be very distinct sort of uh, demarcations between philosophy and science, um and questions that we assumed well science empiricism really can't answer this question and but so.

I think part of it gets to part of the answer here is is the idea that empiricism underlying the underlying belief is the idea that empiricism can answer all questions and that we can't rely on our thinking but let me let me give a practical example. So one [00:46:00] would be um, actually let me give a few so let's take Forest bathing.

For example, um, you're familiar Forest bathing right Crow. I don't think so Forest bathing. Yes, of course bathing is just being out in the wilderness in other. Yeah, it's just taking three days going out into the woods and okay. Being away from so so this is a thing that that sort of intuition tells me that this is this is good.

This is good for my body. This is healthy. My intuition says that my observational experience tells me that that's true I go to the forest for three days and I come out and I feel incredible. I talked to other people who've done it. Everybody says the same thing. I feel incredible. I feel my thoughts cleared up.

Um, I started getting really creative my energy shot through the roof. It's empirically validated so we can we can test biomarkers and when people go into the forest for three days and they go now, uh, all other biomarkers shoot through the roof, so, [00:47:00] As a way of knowing what his true or intuition can lead us to what's true observation can lead us to what's true.

Um, there are there are different paths to get to what is true, um and empiricism. Very often gets us there absolutely gets us there. Uh, I think one of the options I had was this not the only way and it never used to be assumed that it was the only way it's only in the last 20 years that we've come to this place of like what which is scientism, which is that the only way we can know anything is that science can answer absolutely everything and that science itself is free from bias and institutional bias does not creep into the science clergy and the science is disclosed belief system, and if you don't get on board, you're an idiot.

Um, and that's not to say that I mean you and I both know lots of scientists and these are some of the smartest people in the world and you know, I personally know a lot of guys that that are brilliant people brilliant thinkers, they're scientists capable of incredible insights and [00:48:00] very humble. And so I think this is what we're talkin about here is really.

That how do you know how can we know what's true and it started with rounding and like personally. Yeah, this works. I know it works. I've seen it. I've seen the measurements done when we were requests like within 30 minutes that was undeniable and so saying that that that grounding does nothing after it completely eliminated the effect which is a well-known phenomenon, uh to me is being ignorant of see I mean for me to say, no, it doesn't do anything after seeing that.

I would be disingenuous. I also want to mention something else. So I I looked up. Um Richard Feynman and I looked at some of his quotes and the I predicted that Marcus Englewood post this one. Um, and and it was the first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool, [00:49:00] but the quote before that.

What I cannot create I do not understand implies the blindness of people to create scientific experiments to prove or disprove things because of you. If you're studying something you don't understand it. You don't understand how to study it in the first place and this is also one of feynman's quotes and another one of his quotes that speaks directly to this.

Nature uses only the longest threads to weave her patterns so that each small piece of her fabric reveals the organization of the entire tapestry, which basically means to me that if you're standing in the center of the United States, you can't see New York. You can't see California, but they're connected.

So, you know Feynman in my humble opinion doesn't substantiate or support Marcus angles opinion here at all and quite a few of his his quotes revealed that well, you know, [00:50:00] another thing I was thinking about to was um some Marcus in that threat and Marcus if you're listening this isn't this isn't about you personally.

Yeah. No, no Marcus is a great guy. I've known him for years ago in Italy. He's a wonderful guy. Yeah, this is really just about on biases in our thinking and really like you said Carl. This is about the listener and really learning to think for yourself at this. That's what this is really about.

So there was the example given that well because the uh, grounding people did a couple of scientists were involved in some grounding thing. We can't trust their research. You know can't trust it. Well, if that's the case we have to Discount 90% of the research out there because it's all funded by some interested party.

Even the money that comes through. The NIH is not all tax dollars the NIH received grants from companies like Monsanto and a lot of their research never gets published because it doesn't meet the endpoints that they want to see. Absolutely, like let's take metagenic. For example metagenomics does research on their products which so [00:51:00] we can say well then you can't trust the research.

But listen, I've used their products their products are us founding and to me the fact they do research on their products actually is a sign of credibility. This is another one of his quotes. I really like this guy. Our imagination is stretched to the utmost. Not as in fiction to imagine things which are not really there but just to comprehend those things which are there.

This guy was brilliant and I don't he's not he's not saying that if science doesn't prove it, it doesn't exist at all. And a lot of these quotes. I mean this guy is really really smart. But again, my my position is this there are a lot of things that have been. Proven in science that have then been disproven.

We've seen this we've seen this. I mean, it doesn't even require supporting evidence. I mean we can go back to the beginning of time when they use mercury [00:52:00] to cure syphilis. They thought they were curing syphilis with it. And so what I think for me personally not everybody in the audience, but for me personally.

I have been through the medical officer doc see when I was sick. And if I would have followed their advice I wouldn't be alive today. I know that I say that with complete confidence and I think that I'm smart enough to understand simple, uh Concepts and most of these scientific concepts are fairly simple.

I also can look at Evolution and see where we came from. What we were exposed to and how we are disease today and I can make my own decisions and at the end I would rather make my own decisions and make my own mistakes than follow some science promoted by a doctor. Five years from now [00:53:00] they're gonna find out is an accurate mean we're seeing that now with cholesterol.

I mean we're seeing with everything every single thing that we were sure of ten years ago and 15 years ago. We're going. Oh, I guess it wasn't that way. So I'm I'm a proponent of make your own bad decisions. Don't take the bad decisions of other people man. So we were talkin about the show yesterday and I mentioned like, you know, uh what we see a lot of today is.

People that have are very, you know Guru well credentialed and what they're doing is they're dressing up their own preferences as science and they're using the authority of Science and the clergy of you know, being sort of a religious figure to say this is the truth and you how dare you question it and there's a there's a very famous website that a few years ago.

I got uh involved in some forms on most short, uh, This the guy that runs it, you know, he's very well [00:54:00] credentialed and he's got a bias. He's a vegan which is fine good for you. You know, I I eat lots of plans to but he was collating tons and tons of research to say that the research is clear.

There's no question it like like animal foods are bad. Don't even dare question and I just simply took. The more current research which show things like well when you talkin about cholesterol, you're really talkin about hypo versus Hyper response responders and you know genetic alleles and so it's really not true that you know, these eggs are bad.

For example. Now if you have a if you have a genetic predisposition towards, uh, Towards cholesterol then. Yeah, I can be true. But but the more recent research refuted the Body Research he was and long story short. It was not open to it wouldn't even comment back in the threads just just really it was like it was like having a religious argument with somebody and this is somebody that you know is very well credentialed and it's doing everything under the Aegis of Science and that's a lot [00:55:00] of what's out there.

In particularly nutrition nowadays. I want to read I want to read uh a couple of things from Marcus because I want them to have a voice and again, I love Marcus. He's a great guy. He provoked people to think and there's nothing more than you can expect from somebody than to provoke you to think. He said my point is that the evidence for grounding is very weak.

Is there an effect I'm not advocating scientists but asking for evidence and I think that if Marcus was there and saw what happened with the blood after grounding for 30 minutes. He would say wow. There's something interesting going on here, but that doesn't mean and I'm not saying that grounding does any of the things that the people who.

Uh would purport to sell you grounding mats and grounding sheets and and and wristbands and all that sort of stuff say but what I am saying is that it seems to me [00:56:00] that through Evolution. We were in contact with the Earth and we're not any longer. Is there a value to that very very well, maybe um, is it erring on the side of caution to ground once in a while?

Absolutely and guess what every time you take a shower? You ground I've done this myself. I put the one end of a probe from a volt meter in the ground side of the GFI socket. In my bathroom and put the other end of the probe directly in the shower stream and it went to ground. So every time you shower your grounding for 10 minutes at a time, uh, is there a value to that I don't know is that why showers feel so good?

Probably not. There's also an effect of the pitter-patter of the water on the skin that releases norepinephrine. There are other benefits, but could grounding be part of the reason a shower feels so good. I'm not discounting that not at all. And and last quote from Richard Feynman. It doesn't matter how beautiful your [00:57:00] theory is.

It doesn't matter how smart you are if it doesn't agree with experiment it's wrong, but I would then go back and invoke what I cannot create. I do not understand and if you don't understand, how can you scientifically study it that's what I'm saying when it comes to science. We have blind spots.

Not one but many. Sometimes it's just understanding what to study it's not just setting up the endpoints. Yeah, I would I would I would just so Marcus. I'm sure you're listening. What I would offer is um, I think your skepticism of and listen when it comes to rounding. I honestly could care less. I mean, it's not like a yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, not a stump speech guy for grounding. I really couldn't care. Um, but what I think is interesting is that um, the reason that Marcus is skeptical that there isn't evidence is because the evidence that there is um, uh, some of it comes from. Uh an [00:58:00] author whose affiliated with um a lab that does grounding and therefore Marcus assumption.

Is that while he's biased but yet when we look at that as a whole that that that sort of implies that science could be skewed. Yeah and what it's implying is that um, so. Science itself today is an institution and when you look at institution you find that there are many theories in science that are actually institutional institutionalized theories and that if you're going to do research, uh, you better do it for an institutionalized theory if you want to get paid so.

There's no money for some theories that are not institutionalized that are contrary to institutional theories and that in itself is advised. So my point on that is look there's data here just because the guy works for a company that promotes ground. He doesn't mean the data itself [00:59:00] is bad. Yes, the data could be biased but I would say the data is biased for virtually every scientific study.

That's out there. Yes, absolutely because no science is done in a vacuum. All scientists have a theory. That theory is born in their head. They have ownership. It's like giving birth and then they set out to either prove or disprove the theory but let's be honest. They won't approve the theory they want to be someone who who proves something that contributes to science.

So just from this the the standard approach to the scientific process. There is bias. Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm sorry. There's there's a um, So the scientific method where we call the scientific method has become an Institutional process. And so there's there's a bias in the method itself. And it's that the institutional process has an unshakable reliability meaning that this process frees us [01:00:00] from the the institutional corruption that happens in every other area in human human existence.

And that in itself is a bias. That is not true. Let me give you some examples. Um, so there was in the eugenics in the late 1800s early 1900s, right Eugenics was the scientific darling of the day. There was not a if you wanted to be anybody. In scientific circles, you better be Genesis. Um and Eugenics is the science of improving human populations.

It's an offshoot of Darwinism. So it's improving human populations by controlling breeding to increase desirable characteristics. Yeah, if something we do with livestock, we just can't do it with people. But uh, there was an Institutional bias of the day, which was Eugenics. Um, and then well, we're to happen the Nazis 1944 war crimes next thing, you know, [01:01:00] bam boy.

You better not be a eugenicist. Okay, but then what we found was in the 50s, uh, the Soviets had a bias in all of their sinuses. So it's the Soviets were doing um, they were doing science, uh trofim lysenko was a geneticist. He rejected mendelian genetics because he fought a conflicted with Marxism so the Soviets.

And the entire Soviet science space spent all these decades sort of in the Dark Ages while Watson and Crick were moving forward because of this gigantic institutional bias bias under the Aegis of science. So here's these guys doing all this experiments using the scientific method call themselves scientists and they're just all inherently.

It's this gigantic institutional bias. So the point of that is. Show me where there is no box. It's just that that in itself is just not true. It's not true. The scientific method will will keep us from bias. It's just not true. I want to take a break. I want to change the subject a little bit about something.

That's really fascinating to me. I want to get [01:02:00] your opinion on it because I don't know many people who are as intelligent about the gut and the immune system is you I want to leave this, um this discussion with saying this. I am sure of nothing. However, I choose to follow my own decisions, but I am sure of nothing because everything is changing.

But when you use the backdrop of evolution to compare things to you see with greater confidence whether or not you're right or wrong about some of these theories. I also want to give a shout out to BJ. Uh, he just posted on Facebook that he and I have been friends for eight years. He said some friends change your life.

Thanks, buddy for everything can't say it enough and that's a sweet thing to tell me because that's why I do the show. It's not the money because I'm broke. We're gonna take a quick commercial break. We'll be right back with more superhuman radio. Stay tuned.

[01:03:00] Welcome back. We're going to change the topic a little bit because we beat the scientism thing to death you get the point. You know if science doesn't make sense to you you feel something different about it than choose your own path for now. Um, so emerging research is coming out using low dose sporadic rapamycin rapamycin is a anti-rejection drug very powerful one that keeps your body from attacking.

Ah newly implanted foreign organisms, like heart kidneys and stuff like that. Uh, these anti-rejection drugs make people very susceptible to getting sick. Why because they literally shut down the immune system and when we talk about the immune system we talk about the gut it's all the same thing.

That's where it is. It's like talkin about the brain. We know we're talkin about the head your brain isn't in your foot. And so. But we starting to discover when we start to connect some of these dots and and I want your opinion [01:04:00] to tell me where I am on this. Am I right Am I Wrong a lot of the early research done on fasting and intimate and fasting especially Deep dive fast like 72 hour fast once every month.

We know that fasting has been shown to actually, um, make people prone to getting sick which to me means. It shuts down the immune system. Um the rapamycin research that's being done right now when they give humans a single dose, it has a 12-hour half-life of rapamycin once every two weeks amazing things that happening to their bodies anti-aging things reversal of diseases, uh, which is contact counterintuitive, wait shutting the immune system off in the diseases that going away.

How could that be and I'm starting to come to the conclusion. That just about all of the diseases of modernity are our revolve around autoimmunity. We just found the study that we I posted on Facebook yesterday that shows that [01:05:00] glaucoma is autoimmune in nature. We know that Parkinson's diseases autoimmune and nature we could go down the list arthritis and rheumatoid arthritis.

We can list all the diseases today and we can find and Trace back. Some level of autoimmunity being linked to the onset of these diseases. So is it possible Joel and your Divine wisdom that the answer to a long healthy life is not having necessarily a robust immune system, but having one that's not preoccupied with fighting Wars.

Uh, well, um, that's a whole show. Um, let me just take a quick step that you absolutely have to have a healthy immune system on. And the answer to both is um, yes, so you absolutely have to have a healthy immune system, uh from the perspective of mitigating cancer risk, the proper [01:06:00] metabolism all kinds of things.

Um, you also need to have an immune system that is not perpetually switched on. Yeah, so that's that's the kind of both relate and as they as they relate to mtor signaling or wrap them iesson. Um again, that's a whole show but what I would say with that is that you can't really talk about that without talkin about um, adipose tissue and adipose Mass because uh when it comes to immunity, that's your Crossroads.

So the reality is that people could age better and live longer if they a paid attention to the things that they actually have an immune response to, you know, something you eat that gets you itchy or stuffy nose or which is like the IG G version, but then there's also other um, uh tests that you can run for.

Um food sensitivities and and and compound sensitivities, but [01:07:00] then the whole environmentally introduced things that are in our food in our water and so so the to me if you really want to harness Health, it's like you have a country one of the most expensive things that a country has. To develop and design its resources for is the military.

If you have a country, that's constantly at War you're going to drain and deplete the resources of the country. If you have a country that has a very strong military maintains a strong military, but they don't have to fight a lot of Wars then the resources can be conserved. I look at the body the same way if you have a really good immune system.

God bless you, but if it allows you. To live and ignore the day-to-day insults of the things you feed it and the things you come in contact with at some point in time. You're going to run [01:08:00] out of rope and you're going to get sick. So the key is to have a robust immune system, but that sits on its hands and isn't fighting Wars all the time thoughts on that.

Go ahead. No, I'm asking you for thoughts on that expand on it. Um, yeah. That's yes, um it gets to so what you're what you're talkin about. This is actually several chapters in the book. I'm coming out but what you're talkin about gets to um immune signaling and how do we harness on the immune signaling to our benefit?

And so the cliff notes is that you is that your their gut is connected to your adipose mass and you're out oppose mass is the crossroads and that the. Cific mix of your adipose Mass constituents is really either determinant of a whole body immunity. And [01:09:00] from this everything comes so cancer everything comes from this and when you harness the power to control the mix of what constitutes your adipose Mass you harness the power to control immunity and then you harness the power to live longer.

So anything that that kind of gives your immune system a break such as intimate and fasting fasting apparently does kind of uh, shut down the immune system. Uh, I'm also very interested in this rapid myosin. Um, obviously it's not something that a doctor can easily prescribed because it's a very powerful drug and it's usually only given to people who are uh, trying to uh Force anti rejection of a of a body part that's been replaced.

I'm very interested in other things that may have a rapamycin like effect that could be used intermittently, uh to help give the immune system a day off. So to speak any ideas [01:10:00] on any other other than fasting any other nutritional protocol of the things that you can do to help literally turn down your immune system.

Yeah, so, uh briefly in our time here. This is actually probably the core of the book I'm writing right now is this topic? Um, so the first thing is that you don't need rapamycin, there's lots and lots of things that will do the trick for you. Um, and in fact on if you're thinking about taking rapamycin, you definitely don't want to be on a keto diet if that's if that's what you're thinking of doing because you'll actually wind up um hyper activating your immune system.

Um, But the the um, the easiest so what we're talkin about here is really activation of the uh, the MK pathway which is which opposes the the mtor control--and complexes the is pathway. And so there's there's lots of things that we do that probably the simplest, uh is berberine, which is a. It's analogous to metformin.

Um, and I think that [01:11:00] everybody should be cycling berberine in and out of what they do. Um, that's kind of like the simple quick thing. What about what about the um, um Resveratrol that's been compared favorably to metformin as well. Yeah. So um was very tall is a class of compounds called still beans.

And the still beings act genetically they act on What's called the sirtuin family of proteins, uh, their sirtuins was very tall specifically accidents or two and one um, and the certain family of proteins are genetic programs that activate to induce all of the beneficial effects that we like. Of from inhibition of the mtor pathway which is what rapamycin does um, and so in one which is activated by Resveratrol does that um, these are catabolic processes so I can tell you that was my next question.

What does this mean to muscle [01:12:00] uh acquisition and maintenance? Well, so what I'll tell you what I do is three days a week I go into like a hyper version of this I use like the most cutting-edge stuff known use a lot of it and it like literally. You shrink fast. It's the opposite of steroids. All right, it's a lever and if you slam it all the way down you're getting a lot of good things.

Uh, I do it primarily for longevity and as I can sir protective measure, but yeah, man, you should like like call when you come out here. We'll do it and noticeably like you're just like why am I so small and it's because of really stepping on the MK lever. So so so the reality is you don't so you can be in the growth phase.

According to the study on rapamycin that doing it one dose every two weeks and it's Half-Life is 12 hours. So it's too short of a period of time [01:13:00] to you know, develop a disease come in contact with a cold and get and die from it. But that once every two weeks appears to have profound effects. So what you're saying is.

Here's what you do you train hard. You stay on a baalak and one day every two weeks you go down this Rabbit Hole where you just shut off all the uh mtor machinery and you you literally shut the immune system down. Maybe you stay home that day and rest but you shut it off and that brief time that it's off has a ripple effect for the next couple weeks.

Uh, I that is probably true with um the drug with rapamycin, um, I I actually. Do something personally a bit more or a lot lot more aggressive than that where it's a weekly thing that I'm doing but um minimally, yeah, I would say that's a that's a great idea if you have access to that drug, but even if you [01:14:00] don't, uh, just even even berberine as a really good analog how much berberine should I take and should I take it daily or should I just do the once every two weeks Deep dive?

Um what I would say start with the once every two weeks deep dive, um berberine is you know a lot about that but it's I I don't take anything daily. Um, but yeah start with start with every two weeks and can go from there and uh 1200 milligrams is good 1200 milligrams and one dose is that divided over the course of a day?

No, just one dose, but you'd want to do it in the morning. You want to do it in the morning faster berberine affects blood sugar level should people who are not metabolically flexible ease into that larger overdose. No, it's actually um, it's actually very good. It's a it's a diabetic treatment. So it's actually very good for people under yeah, and it definitely uh impacts blood sugar in a very very powerful way.

What I would say is if you're gonna go train on berberine that's another animal you might want to [01:15:00] ease into that. Okay? Okay. Uh, do you want to summarize anything that we've discussed today? We're coming to the end of the interview. Oh thank for yourself, um people willing to think for yourself.

Look at a variety of opinions. Um, you can you can we live in an era where you can. You can Master knowledge very rapidly. Um, I tend to go right to research. I tend not to go to anything. Anybody else is saying typically um, and with respect to this convo. Yeah. Um, it's a really good idea to trip the switch, uh, the the switch once every two weeks very good idea.

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