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Transcript to SHR # 2586 :: Downsizing: The Mental Side Of Carrying Muscle and Strength

[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] welcome back to another episode of super human radio. Today is September 11th, a day. We remember, uh, because of something that happened to us back in 2001,

[00:00:10] where our country was assaulted. Um, it looks like we're having trouble streaming to Facebook. It says that I'm hoping that people can see us on Facebook.

[00:00:21] Um, let's see if we have to do something too. Yeah. Oh, it's always something that's part of the problem. We are successfully streaming to YouTube. I know that for sure. Uh, maybe Facebook we'll connect and I'll check in a second, but anyway, it's also my son Chase's birthday, which I kind of feel sorry for him because it's a, not a very popular day.

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[00:01:05] All right. So now let me bring my guest on while I try to figure out what's going on on Facebook at the same time. Dan, make the, how you doing Dan?

[00:01:12] Dan Matha : [00:01:12] I'm doing great. Carl. I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on man.

[00:01:15] Carl Lanore: [00:01:15] Yeah, no, you know, um, One of the things that I love about you. And I use that word specifically is that you're not only one of the biggest strongest guys I've ever met in my life just naturally, but you're also one of the most introspective, sensitive and intelligent guys.

[00:01:29] And that's a rare commodity to have it in a person, uh, today. And I couldn't think of anybody else, uh, to do the show with that than you. And so, um, I want to preface the show by saying that there are a lot of people. Uh, out there who identify with being big and strong, I'm one of them, uh, I have I've said stupid things on the show.

[00:01:54] Like I was, I was nobody until I was strong and those ideas and [00:02:00] those statements put you into a very small box and then things happen in your life. They come and go. It could be anything in your case, it was changing careers. Um, you went from, uh, I want to put this picture up just for a second. While we're talking, you went from being a pro football player, uh, on everyone's left side, uh, to a WWE wrestler.

[00:02:25] And, uh, those two jobs required different physical form, different physical attributes. And you had to make the accommodations. And I've always wanted to ask you this question. I mean, I tell this story every time you on the show, but the first time I met you, you had 45 pounds in your crook of your arms doing searcher squats, looking at the mirror and smiling, and you will do a massive, you are massive, probably I think at your heaviest, you with 300, what.

[00:02:55] Dan Matha : [00:02:55] Three 25,

[00:02:56] Carl Lanore: [00:02:56] three 25. And you were in the gym, [00:03:00] juicing your body size, your body weight, because you will going to become a WWE wrestler. And that was going to require a different form factor entirely that play with your head a little bit. You weren't, you, you were used to being, taking up a certain amount of real estate on the planet, and now all of a sudden you're downsizing.

[00:03:17] How did that affect you?

[00:03:19] Dan Matha : [00:03:19] I had, so I did have, there was a little, a little bit of an adjustment period to going from three 25 down to when I initially made the jump from football to wrestling, that transition period. I swung from three, when I was in the last time I played football, which was, I was in Montreal.

[00:03:36] I went from three 15 and I swung. Over three months from three 15 to two 55. And I, I probably could have done it a little bit differently, but I, you know, me and I was just like, we're going balls to the wall. So I dropped all that way and it was a lot to deal with. Cause like all my clothes, the way I looked like a different human being, even in the, when I looked at [00:04:00] myself in the mirror, right.

[00:04:01] Um,

[00:04:02] Carl Lanore: [00:04:02] So

[00:04:03] Dan Matha : [00:04:03] there was a little bit of an adjustment. And then when people, you know, some people, uh, you know, sometimes you let, you know, maybe your ego gets in the way, and somebody says something to you that like you're no longer the biggest guy that you know, in the room. And there, there is that weird attachment to always being the biggest, even though now, I mean, it's very rarely cause I'm two 80 right now.

[00:04:25] It's very rarely that I'm not the biggest guy in the room. Right. But, but at that particular time, I think I was 26 at that time, going through that trans transitional period, I w I wasn't, I had already had a little bit of a experience with dealing with the change of identity. Cause I went for the longest time.

[00:04:45] I only ever viewed myself as a football player. And then there was a, you know, this weird geeky moment in my life where I wasn't sure if I was going to continue playing football. And I had to actually look at myself for once as like a full human being, rather [00:05:00] than just

[00:05:00] Carl Lanore: [00:05:00] a full moment.

[00:05:02] Dan Matha : [00:05:02] So the, that was, that was hard for me to deal with.

[00:05:06] So then later, you know, let's fast forward a couple years to when I made that drop, whenever actually did transition from football to a different industry. And I had to drop all that weight. It was something as hard at that time because I had already went through it. But I can tell you that you had this attachment to this.

[00:05:24] So this vision or illusion that you've created yourself to the size, you know, three 25, I can squat 700 pounds bench five. I could run and jump and smash human being that I need to. And then I drop, you know, I dropped all this weight and my numbers aren't as high. I can't put as much weight on the bar and, you know, I'm maybe physically not capable of doing things that I could do before.

[00:05:49] And that can mess with your mind that can mess with your confidence. You've spent all this time to obtain this ability, and then now it's gone and you feel, you know, if you don't do the mental, the [00:06:00] proper mental and emotional preparation, it can mess with your self esteem. And I did see, you know, I dealt with it just like anyone else look and be like, man, I'm not as powerful.

[00:06:12] I'm not as strong. I'm not as this or that. I'm not, you know, I kept telling myself I wasn't enough. And, you know, eventually I got to the point where I realized how silly that was, because it was like, okay, I might not be, I might not be able to squat 700 pounds anymore, but I can squat, you know, this much weight for this many years, and I couldn't do this before, or I'm able to control my body in a way that I couldn't control it when I was this big.

[00:06:36] So it was just finding different. Different places that are different areas in which I was strong, which don't always have to be physical. And I think that that's where a lot of us in the lifting community, you know, cause even though I'm an athlete, I feel very much a part of the lifting community. I w. I still lift and I'm not playing any sports right now.

[00:06:57] I will continue to lift probably till the day I die. Right. You [00:07:00] know, put, put me six feet under with a barbell. Okay.

[00:07:03] Carl Lanore: [00:07:03] So, so you have something to do? Yeah.

[00:07:08] Dan Matha : [00:07:08] Right. Okay. Cause weights teach us so much. So, but to have a, uh, An unhealthy

[00:07:16] Carl Lanore: [00:07:16] attachment

[00:07:17] Dan Matha : [00:07:17] to a way, in a sense. And it's arbitrary. You know, how much you weigh is arbitrary.

[00:07:21] It really only matters to you or maybe other lifters, but in reality, your self worth isn't in how much you can squat your self worth. Isn't in how much you could have fast, you can run or how much muscle you can build. Those things are great, but you know, certain times in our life call for it. Different different activities, different abilities, different body types.

[00:07:43] You know, nothing's linear. Life is not linear. And you know, anybody that knows about strength, training and periodization and muscle hypertrophy, nothing is linear. Even mr. Olympia, right? He's got 12 weeks, 16 weeks, whatever it takes to get to the biggest and most shredded [00:08:00] shredded he ever was those next six months, he fluctuates, he goes down and he goes up.

[00:08:04] Same with world strong men. Their way is not, they're not all, you know,

[00:08:07] Carl Lanore: [00:08:07] Yeah, there

[00:08:08] Dan Matha : [00:08:08] were, you know, it's not dead in 15, you know, 1200 pounds the whole year round, you know, and it's just like anything else, whether it's business, whether whatever your profession is, it's this it's ups and downs. And it's, I think what can help a lot of us emotionally and mentally is to be able to not let the lows take us even, you know, we're going to hit lows.

[00:08:33] But it's important that we don't let those lows take ourselves even lower than we need to be. I think it happens quite often when a. When we get attached to our

[00:08:44] Carl Lanore: [00:08:44] physical body, Daniel makes a good point here, not surprisingly more secure individuals who do not view being heavily muscled as being the most important thing about themselves.

[00:08:55] Seem to find this transition easier, which leads to a comment that [00:09:00] I said earlier off the air, many of us who have been attracted to physical culture. Did so, uh, because we were trying to fill a void in how we felt about ourselves or who we saw as ourselves. And, uh, yeah, no, you can't change the color of your skin.

[00:09:18] You can't change your parents. You can't, there's a lot of things you can't change in life, but one of the things you can change in life is you can choose to and effectively become bigger and stronger. And so. Okay. First of all, I want to ask you a question for me. I got picked on a lot. When I was a kid, I got beat up off.

[00:09:39] My father used to say I was a puppy. I was a big kid, but I didn't have the aggressive side. So I got picked on a lot. And so when I learned that I was strong, when I learned that I could easily pull and squat, when other people struggle, I found something of value that I didn't see before in myself. What about [00:10:00] you?

[00:10:00] Did you, did you feel any, uh, inadequacies growing up? Did you feel any shortcomings that when you started to train and you started playing football and you're smashing people, all of a sudden you were like, damn, you know.

[00:10:13] Dan Matha : [00:10:13] Yeah, for sure. Um, you know, much like everyone else, I, you know, you go through childhood and before you hit puberty and.

[00:10:21] Yeah. You feel weak, right. You know, you there's times where you can get picked on or bullied, you know, for me, it was just like in my household, like I had two brothers and my dad and it was just like, literally just, everybody's just super. Alpha, you know, so everybody is either verbally sparring or physically sparring.

[00:10:41] And like, my dad was just like, always telling me and my brother, we weren't strong enough or we were soft or this or that when really my dad is just a madman, you know, it's like that expectation you had of just physical culture was just right. It was a lot of pressure, but it like, that's what me, me in [00:11:00] particular, when I found training, when I found lifting and I was like, okay, I'm not, you know, I was, you know, I had some natural strengths and I've always been huge.

[00:11:10] But when I found that I could lift. A dumbbell X amount of times. And then I do it next week, X amount of times, and then I can increase that number or increase the way I was like, Holy shit. I've found something here. I've gotten bigger. I've gotten stronger. I've found something that I'm good at. You know, you, you almost like get a tap.

[00:11:30] You attach yourself to that, to the lifting tool, weight to how many reps and, and things like that. So then it's like, Oh, I'm not weak anymore. You know, the thing that made me feel I was insecure before I did this. And now that I do this, I don't feel incent. You know, I feel confident my chest is up more, you know, I can look people in the eyes I'm more assertive and it's, you know, it can be very addictive.

[00:11:55] Uh, you know, obviously, you know, 21 years later I'm [00:12:00] still training.

[00:12:01] Carl Lanore: [00:12:01] So those people out there that are. In that same group as you and I, where we found a value in ourselves, when we found out how strong we could be and how big we could be and all the things that that brings. And now they have to make a transition.

[00:12:21] They're not as strong as they used to be. Maybe it's like me, you know, I've had a lot of injuries and my age is starting to catch up with me. Or you, you changed industries where you just didn't need that extra 60 pounds anymore. In fact, it was hampering your ability and you had to give up a bunch of strength in order to get there.

[00:12:39] What can they do? Like how do they find value in themselves when they've invested so much value in being this? And now all of a sudden this doesn't exist anymore. What do they do?

[00:12:51] Dan Matha : [00:12:51] Well, just remember, so this is you get stuck and you get attached to that, to the weight. Right. But what you're [00:13:00] you're over looking is what got, like, how did you get so strong?

[00:13:05] How did you get so big? You know, I guess at first glance it may appear that it was physical, that it was your body, but in actuality, it was your mind that got you that strong. It was your mind that helped you grow and get bigger and get stronger. So if you can take your mind. And direct it to build a, you know, a magnificent physique.

[00:13:27] Imagine what else you could take your mind and direct it towards and build because building a physique is one of the hardest things a human being could do. That's why it's so coveted. Right? Cause you can't steal it. You can't. Pay for it. You know, you can't have it given to you after with blood, sweat, and tears and the mental fortitude and perseverance necessary to build a physique that not only looks great, but it's functional.

[00:13:53] You can take that same mindset into anything, no matter what it is, whether it's business [00:14:00] self-help, whatever it is that you're trying to, that it now the world. Yeah. You know, your life requires you to switch into take that same mindset. And, and just revert it into what you're trying to do now. And you already kind of, it'll be easier now than it was when it was to build strength, because you kind of have an understanding of how the process goes to get good at anything.

[00:14:22] Right. You know, you're going to, you're going to suck. You're going to struggle. It's going to be hard, but as long as you keep plugging away at whatever it is every day, eventually you're going to just look down and be like, Oh, damn, I look great. And the same thing will be for business. So I think it's just knowing that because you've already succeeded in one endeavor.

[00:14:41] Your mind is capable. You can take that anywhere with you.

[00:14:45] Carl Lanore: [00:14:45] Yeah, that's a really interesting point. Your skill is not being strong. Your skill is applying your mind to being strong. And if you can apply your mind to being strong, you can apply it your mind to anything. That's. That's brilliant. That's a [00:15:00] brilliant observation.

[00:15:00] It really is. So those of us out there who see ourselves as, as being super strong and athletic and think that that is who we are. We're not that's tangential to who we are, who we are is, are people who can apply our minds and do things that the average human being can't do.

[00:15:24] Dan Matha : [00:15:24] Yeah, you can, you know, you're, I look at people that lift.

[00:15:28] That are true lifters and truly, in my opinion, people that are like true lifters are people that have been consistent for five plus years. Right. Right. And that's, if you're not under, if you're under five years, you're on your way, you're going to get there. Right. But for people that the true lifelong lists lifters, like your skill is that you're a trench Digger.

[00:15:48] Carl Lanore: [00:15:48] Okay. Okay. Right

[00:15:49] Dan Matha : [00:15:49] here, trench Digger. And for people don't understand that like trench diggers are people who have the hardest, most difficult, yet most important job and will receive no [00:16:00] credit for it. Right. You're able to go in every single day with your hard hat and your lunch panel and put in work, and you're going to get, you know, you're going to receive those little rewards, but nobody's going to see all that work you put in.

[00:16:11] You're not going to get rewarded for all those words, but you were able to persevere. In the darkness to obtain said goal. And so your skill, your ability, isn't that your strong isn't that you look great. You know what I mean? Naked it's that's not what your skill is. Your skill is, is that you can work, you can persevere, you can do whatever it takes to obtain a goal.

[00:16:35] And so like you built the physique. That's great, but now it's time to build something else. You have everything that you need within side of yourself. So it's like, that's how you get over that thought that attachment to size and a number.

[00:16:51] Carl Lanore: [00:16:51] Now we didn't have social media when we were coming up in this, you know, when we were doing the things that we were doing to get strong, you obviously had a great deal of notoriety because you were [00:17:00] being viewed as a pro football player.

[00:17:02] So you had more exposure than most of us, but today social media edge. An almost encapsulation on the inability to let go of who you see yourself as, because you get momentary daily accolades from people. They like your photos, you rock, they want to be like you, they follow you. They buy stuff because you recommend it.

[00:17:24] And then all of a sudden, like, like, you know what I think of, um, do you remember Brandon Lilly? Yeah, Brandon was, he was on my show years ago before he blew out his two knees, Brandon Lilly, Brandon Lilly was on the path to be one of the greatest powerlifters we've probably ever seen. I mean, he was, he was squatting and dead lifting stuff.

[00:17:48] Like it was nothing. He was a young man. Um, he was, uh, he was, he was like a shooting star in powerlifting. And then he blew out his knees, literally [00:18:00] both knees squatting one day at a competition. You can't come back from that. Like you can reconstruct the knees and he can walk and go through his life, but he's never going to put that weight on his back again.

[00:18:11] And so right at that moment, I knew my God, Brandon is gone. Like he's not going to be able to compete anymore. And maybe he'll become a coach. Of course, he had an interesting model for training, just like Louie Simmons has his model. Brandon had his, but that had a really mess up his psyche because he was on this trajectory.

[00:18:31] Like everybody was talking about Brandon Lilly did this and Brandon Lilly. I did that. And then all of a sudden, boom, he was gone. And so social media, I believe puts even greater stress on those of us who are doing superhuman. Feats of strength because you got to keep doing better and better to get more and more people to like your posts.

[00:18:55] And then all of a sudden something happens and you've got to back away. That's going to be like, [00:19:00] like trying to kick heroin. I mean,

[00:19:05] Dan Matha : [00:19:05] the. The science is there that we're hitting the same sector of the brain with social media posts and likes and comments and things like that as sugar and cocaine and heroin.

[00:19:16] Right? So, I mean, it literally is, you know, one of the most addicting things and social media is

[00:19:25] Carl Lanore: [00:19:25] it's a

[00:19:25] Dan Matha : [00:19:25] very easy place to get sucked up into. It's like you said, we get attached to this image of ourselves and I think human beings did that. Without social media, but social media and what was like a charger, right?

[00:19:38] You plugged it in and amplified it, you know, times a thousand. And what will happen is a lot of times create who you are on social media, your profile, your avatar, and become whatever you want it to be. And a lot of people, like you said, get trapped in that. And I think we're going through this weird stage with social [00:20:00] media where people hopefully sooner, rather than later, are going to kind of realize all the downfalls that are coming with social media.

[00:20:07] And a lot of that is a lot of emotional and spiritual to voidness that we get from social media. You know, like you get these empty, you kind of get human interaction. You know, you get a light, you get. Yeah, a comment here and there on what you're doing. And it kind of it's like makes you feel good in a weird kind of way, but it's really just consumerism.

[00:20:31] Everyone is a salesman on social media, selling something, whether it's yourself or a product, and we're selling, selling, selling. And we're worrying about all of these things, but there's this spiritual devoid newness that we have now. And I think a lot of people. Are you in the Western world are experiencing that.

[00:20:48] We're excited. You know, religion has become a, uh, dirty word. God has become a dirty word, so we kind of push it off to the side. Right. And, but now you see spirituality coming [00:21:00] up. You know, instead of religion, we'll say spirituality set a, God will say the universe. And when you really look at it, it's the same shit.

[00:21:06] Right. But,

[00:21:07] Carl Lanore: [00:21:07] but it almost gives you permission to believe in something bigger because religion, religion creates tribes and factions and you, then you're arguing on who's tribe and faction is right, but just focusing on spirituality, closing your eyes, believing that there's something more to this process than yourself.

[00:21:27] Um, is, is very freeing. Of course, people can do that and not have to choose a team. They don't have to, well, I'm going to be Catholic or I'm going to be, you know, a Protestant or I'm going to be Christian. They're like, no, it doesn't matter. I can connect with a larger power. Then myself, I don't have to give it a name.

[00:21:47] It doesn't have to have a shape or a color or size, but I can still because the human condition requires. So the interesting thing about humans is, is twofold. Number one. [00:22:00] Mmm. We want to be in control of our environment. We want to know that's why news is so popular today because people want to know what's going on.

[00:22:07] That's going to hurt me. That is part of our evolutionary construct to know what the dangers in our environment are. But the other thing is we don't like it when things don't make sense. So. We have to create some sort of symbol so that we can feel like, Oh, well I understand this. And if I understand that, then I can avoid it.

[00:22:27] Or at least control its introduction into my life. That's why religion became what it is because people didn't want to believe that we just die and that's it. They was like, no, it has to be more to it. I'm afraid of death. And so, okay. We created religion, but spirituality is completely different.

[00:22:45] Spirituality is something that. Allows you to believe that there are bigger forces at work and you don't have, have to worry about the outcome of what's going on in your life right now, because there is something out [00:23:00] there riding the riding, the wave, whatever you want to call it of the universe. There's something else out there helping you.

[00:23:06] We need that as humans, deer don't need it. Dogs don't need it, but we need it because we. Insist on controlling our environment. And we insist on having something that we can at least offload the stress too and say, well, it's in that, power's hands the outcome. And I can just relax and let things unfold.

[00:23:28] It's a really interesting human process that we have.

[00:23:32] Dan Matha : [00:23:32] Well, A lot of that issue that we have, have with wanting to know, right. Needing to know that's like the ego, that's the ego feeding itself being like, I need to know this. I need to be in control of this. I need to look this way and weigh this much.

[00:23:50] Right. But you need to get intact with, you know, and social media. Only, you know, throws gasoline onto the fire that is ego, right? We've [00:24:00] got this super ego statistical society that just keeps brewing and brewing and it's getting hotter and hotter because of social media and, and a lot of people, you know, this to go back to our original point of size and being attached to a size.

[00:24:13] A lot of that is his ego as well. It's our inability to let go and, you know, true religion, true spirituality is being. You know, having faith in the process, having faith and not knowing, knowing that I don't know what's coming, I don't know, you know, change my body. I've got to change careers. I've got to, you know, I don't know what's coming ahead of me, but I have faith that as long as I believe, as long as I believe in myself and I keep.

[00:24:44] I keep working. I keep moving forward. I don't just like laid down and die and say, what was me that the abundance of the universe, which is infinite, right? As long as we remember that there's an infinite amount of abundance for ourselves that [00:25:00] we will get whatever it is that we need to get and to be whatever it is that we need to be.

[00:25:05] And I think that that is what.

[00:25:08] Carl Lanore: [00:25:08] Findings.

[00:25:08] Dan Matha : [00:25:08] I think that that's what spirituality does for people when they really find it and they dig in, they, they become, you almost get this new added, like energy source.

[00:25:18] Carl Lanore: [00:25:18] Yeah. Yeah. It's actually, it's some people become euphoric. I know that when there have been times in my life where I felt like everything was working in my behalf, Like everything was like, I was just like in the flow and it's actually euphoric.

[00:25:34] You feel like the hair on the back of your neck stands up every time something falls into place that you knew was going to fall into place. Oh my God. Like then periods in your life where you feel like you're bumping into everything in the universe. It's not, you're not flowing it all and all it takes.

[00:25:50] Yeah. Well, I was going to say all it takes. To change that is to reinvest all of your belief that the universe is doing things good for you, [00:26:00] but it's hard for people to do that. It's hard for people to do that because they think that it's silly, but you know what, if it works, what do you care? If it's silly, just go with it.

[00:26:10] We have to take a break. We have to take a break. I want to pick up on spirituality on the other side of plus there's a couple other things that we want to talk about. We're going to tell you, you have a podcast now, don't you.

[00:26:20] Dan Matha : [00:26:20] Yeah, I do. People sparking the dark, sparking the dark podcast. Um, I'm on YouTube right now.

[00:26:27] Uh, but by the end of the week, I should be on every major streaming platform.

[00:26:32] Carl Lanore: [00:26:32] Yeah. Just hope that Facebook doesn't crash five of your streams. That's all. I don't understand. I don't understand what happened. Every YouTube is fine. One, two, three, four, Facebook feeds just didn't go. I stay tuned. We'll be right back with more of Dan made this statement.

[00:26:48] What'd I do wrong. Oh, sorry. I'm a Bozell. Well, we have a sound court. Today is today is technological problem day. [00:27:00] So sit tight one sec. I don't know. Right. Let's see if this is going to work for me. Hello. Yes. Thank you. Be right back.

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[00:31:33] Carl Lanore: [00:31:33] welcome back. We're talking with Dan Maita. We're talking about downsizing, the mental side of carrying a lot of muscle and strength and things in life. Cause you to have to give some of it up. You don't want to lose your identity. You don't want to feel less than, Hey, real quick question. Dan, do you have access to a sauna?

[00:31:52] Dan Matha : [00:31:52] Uh, currently I do not.

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[00:32:49] Dan Matha : [00:32:49] So I love the song, man.

[00:32:51] Carl Lanore: [00:32:51] I remember we, I mean, when we had the gym, we were always in it, man.

[00:32:54] Dan Matha : [00:32:54] Yeah. Yeah. I like I'm, I'm a glutton for that heat too. I like a good 30 minutes [00:33:00] session. I want to be exhausted after that

[00:33:02] Carl Lanore: [00:33:02] though. Yeah. Yes. And do you know, there's evidence that a sauna is, is an exercise mimetic. If you're one of these people who just can't do cardio, your knees bother you sit in the sauna for 30 minutes, you get the same exact cardiovascular conditioning that you would if you walked.

[00:33:18] So there's a lot of.

[00:33:20] Dan Matha : [00:33:20] I didn't know that I did know. I did know what was it? I just read the, there was like a study that just recently came out on how four times a week at 20 minutes, plus, uh, decreases all mortality rates by 40%.

[00:33:35] Carl Lanore: [00:33:35] And, and guess what, there was a study done about 10 years ago that shows that if you do 30 minutes of walking cardio in the morning, you're 70% less likely to have a heart attack that day.

[00:33:45] Damn. So that's what, and plus there's another benefit. So I don't want to get too far off the track here, but raising body temperature has been shown to. Kill tumor cells. I'm Dr. Daniel [00:34:00] Gorder, who is now the head of a candidate. Sure. Hospital in cologne, Germany, uh, who was trained and a physician at UCLA curing the most aggressive pancreatic cancers using something called hyperthermia therapy.

[00:34:15] He basically put people in what looked like an iron lung and raise their core body temperature by two to three degrees. That was, it kept their head out so that they didn't have, you know, the, the, the brain didn't freak out and hypothermia therapy has been shown to upregulate enzyme cascades that go after tumor cells and kill them.

[00:34:36] So if you, if you have cancer in your family, getting, having access to a sauna is absolutely innocent excessively for you.

[00:34:43] Dan Matha : [00:34:43] Absolutely. Yeah.

[00:34:45] Carl Lanore: [00:34:45] There you go, brother. So let's get back to two spiritualities from it. I want to wrap that up. A lot of people have a hard time looking at spirituality because they kind of feel like it's mumbo jumbo, but that's because they've been poisoned by religion.

[00:35:00] [00:34:59] Dan Matha : [00:34:59] Right? Yeah. And I think also, I think that's a big part of it too. And you, you know, you read a history book, you see all the terrible things that have been done in the name of religion, and it's kind of gotten a bad rap, but I also think too spirituality requires you to start doing work. Self work. And I think that that is something people are fearful of as well.

[00:35:23] Carl Lanore: [00:35:23] Like what do you mean that they're fearful of what they're going to learn about themselves or they just don't want it. It's just too painful to look at who they are and what they've gone through.

[00:35:32] Dan Matha : [00:35:32] Yeah, well, both, but I think in particularly, uh it's cause spirituality requires you to go inward. You know, you don't reach externally for anything, which is the opposite of what our world is teaching us right now.

[00:35:48] So you have to, you have to dig inward and it is not easy to dig inward. A lot of us stay here superficial, and we stay on the surface level because when we get past the surface level, then we have to start [00:36:00] digging into these unhealed traumas that we've acquired through our lifetime, whether it's in childhood.

[00:36:06] Early adulthood, you know, I mean, we all deal with traumas all the time and it's easier to just build a coping mechanism, you know, whether it's behavioral or, or substance, you know, you know, ma mechanism, teaser to use those things and sweep that under the rug. And it's hard to do that introspective work to dig in, right?

[00:36:25] Because you're going to have to deal with things that you don't want to deal with. And then you're going to have to learn things about yourself. Like, Oh, maybe that argument I had with Susie, maybe I was the asshole. You know, or maybe I wasn't sensitive here or maybe I am aggressive and I steamroll people or, or maybe I, you know, I am manipulative, whatever, you know, things, each person has.

[00:36:45] We all have them different to each of us, but we all have these, these unhealthy habits and that spirituality forces you to go inward and people are, they do, they will do anything they can to distract themselves from going inward.

[00:36:59] Carl Lanore: [00:36:59] Yeah, no, [00:37:00] you're absolutely right. So in 2016, Tor a tricep. So, uh, prior to that, I tore three hamstring attachments, but they did not require surgery.

[00:37:10] So I just kind of recovered and I got right back to it and I started training again and everything was cool. But then in 2016, I tore my left tricep. And I had to undergo surgery for it. And all of a sudden I started to recognize like, Oh, damn, I'm starting to break stuff now. And I was doing a show with dr.

[00:37:30] MALDI Pasqual and during the show, I had a moment of clarity and I, and I said to Morrow, I don't think I'll be able to continue to host supreme-a radio. Like if I can't train, if I can't be strong, like, I feel like I'm a fraud, I'm a liar. And I just put that out there because I really felt down on myself at that time, I was starting to go through this transition period.

[00:37:56] The truth is I was starting to get comfortable with the idea that, Hey, maybe [00:38:00] I'm not going to be as strong as I am. Now as they get older, maybe I'm actually going to have to start pulling back. And I don't know if you know who Jan's foot it is, but Jan's foot. It is like a strong man. His wife is super strong.

[00:38:14] They're just a really athletic couple. I have a lot of respect for him. I never knew he listened to the show, by the way, this is, this is kind of freaky. So in 2016, after I made that, that observation about myself, He sent me an email and he said, you know, you mentioned feeling like you would be a liar of sorts.

[00:38:34] If you tried to continue the show while not being able to perform in the gym, he said, but I can tell you that your greatest attribute is what you provide to the world through the show and not how much you can bench to leave. The show would be a tremendous loss to all of your listeners. And I gained.

[00:38:55] And a gain to all of the snake oil salesmen out there. I wish you complete [00:39:00] recovery, but look, look what he wrote both physically and mentally. Okay. Now here's the guy that is super like he's so strong. He's just. Like you, and he picked out that it was a mess, mental struggle that I was really going through.

[00:39:16] And that I had to, I had to come to terms with, and obviously I didn't quit the show. I kept doing the show. I'm still here today, but I've had to eat a lot of crappy things like, like I've had to eat some crappy things I've done for instance, I was training one day and I was dead lifting and some guy came up to me and he said, how old are you?

[00:39:39] And at the time I think I was like maybe 57, maybe 57. And he and I, and he goes, yeah, he goes, I used to lift heavy like that, but I can't do it anymore. This is how old are you? And he was like only 50. And I said, well, I actually used to, uh, lift heavier. I said, no. I said, yeah. I said, I. I I'm lifting heavier.

[00:40:00] [00:39:59] Now. I said than I did back then, and I did it to be a Dick. I'm being honest. I did it to be a Dick. It's like, you know what? I'm older than you. And I'm stronger than you. Right. And I've had to, I've thought about that. I've thought about that exchange over the past couple years. Like what a Dick. I was to say that little bit.

[00:40:20] I know that I was going to hit some more big roadblocks and get sick and, and have to lose, like I've lost so much lower body muscle that if I don't have a belt on my pants fall off, course, my ass is gone. I used to have a big round ass. No, I cut one of these flat white boy ass is now. It's like Elisa laughs at me all the time.

[00:40:39] It's like, where did your ass go? Well, I'm not squatting. I'm not hip thrusting. I'm not dead lifting. I'm not doing anything heavy anymore. My lower body has just gone disappeared, but I feel bad about that guy. Now, I feel bad about trying to make him feel bad about himself because he was honest and said, you know, I just can't do that [00:41:00] stuff anymore.

[00:41:02] Dan Matha : [00:41:02] Yeah. That's like one of those circumstances where it's like a, it's almost like you're you w you look back now and it's almost like a you're

[00:41:11] Carl Lanore: [00:41:11] projected I'm feeling. I feel like, Oh, shit. Karma got me. Yeah.

[00:41:17] Dan Matha : [00:41:17] Yeah. It, uh, Yeah. A lot of, you know, it just, I mean, that just kinda goes back to the ego, everything kind of stems back to the ego in this regard, you know, like that comment you made, no, you were older than him and you were like, yo young whipper snapper keep up stronger than I've ever been.

[00:41:34] Right. Right. And, you know, at a certain point, you know, and there is something to that never let age limit you into like how strong you think you can be and whatnot, but also like you're finding out. Eight, you know, my grandparents always say this to me on my mom's side of the family, especially my Papa.

[00:41:51] He always goes getting old ain't for sissies.

[00:41:53] Carl Lanore: [00:41:53] Yes. I say that now, but I say the P word. I say, you know, getting older, I'm like, you know, [00:42:00] it is, it's hard work, but see one of the things that I just talk, in fact, I'm going to lecture in front of a group of doctors in a month. Okay. And I'm going to tell them about the importance of getting their patients to get involved in progressive resistance it's training.

[00:42:17] And while we already know like the stronger you are, the longer you live, that's, that's, that's been proven now that's been proven so many times it's not even a subject anymore, but there's another value to what we do. There's something called allostatic load the accumulation, like, okay. Tricep torn bicep, torn hams three attachments, two attachments.

[00:42:40] I mean, I've really jacked myself up a foot. That's been reconstructed twice because I dropped a very, a 45 pound plate on it while wearing five fingers. It was basically barefoot. Nothing.

[00:42:51] Dan Matha : [00:42:51] Right. Damn.

[00:42:52] Carl Lanore: [00:42:52] And so, um, I have, I live with pain. But I can muscle [00:43:00] through it because one of the things that training teaches you is to manage pain and that bar is across your back and it's got 700 pounds on it.

[00:43:09] That bar feels like a cheese slicer. I mean, I used to have a callus up on my traps. And so, and so when you, when you learn to ignore the pain and work through it, there's a great reward because when you get older, you're going to be living with pain, but it won't stop you because you're used to, to managing pain.

[00:43:29] In fact, you're used to embracing pain. And so I'm going to lecture them about the importance of having their patients do progressive resistance training specifically. For their ability to muscle through because getting old isn't for pussies and you, you, you will, I don't care who you are. You can take fish oil, you can take all the supplements.

[00:43:50] You will have pain. You will have pain. Yeah.

[00:43:55] Dan Matha : [00:43:55] I mean, I do. I'm dealing, I've been dealing. I can honestly, I mean, I'm 32 and I'm [00:44:00] in great shape and I still feel pain. I'm I've been in. And honestly, I couldn't tell you the last time I wasn't in pain, you know, that I've been playing collision sports for 20 years and training my body super hard and pushing my limits.

[00:44:13] But, um, I, you know, I'm always in pain, so I definitely could fin I can only imagine where I'm going to be at and probably, you know, in another 30 years. Right. But that, that pain, you know, no pain, no gain, right. The expression. And there is something to it, but it's also some of us, you know, the flip side of things is a lot of times we can be too tough.

[00:44:38] We can, our minds are stronger than our bodies. So it's like learning to listen to ourselves. Right. And learning to know when pain is when it's necessary to, you know, hammer down and push through that pain. And when it's like, Oh, let me listen, let me lighten up a little bit or let off a little bit, you know, what's three weeks of, of kind of, you know, either switching [00:45:00] exercises, taking something out, going a little bit less, right.

[00:45:03] That pushing through it and Taren are popping some, and then you're six months out and never the same, you know, because you're never the same after an injury.

[00:45:12] Carl Lanore: [00:45:12] Never. Yeah. You know what? You're not, you're not only, never the same physically, but you're never the same mentally because after, after I tore my hamstrings, I noticed that like, when I was training, I was much more apprehensive because tearing those hamstrings came like they popped.

[00:45:28] And I was just doing something I always did. I was just, I was warming up on my dead lift. That's all I was doing. And after that it was like, Oh, wait a minute. Like, am I going to, am I going to Tara Peck today? You know, it's like, because that came without any warning, it was like, I didn't expect that. I didn't even have like, and then I just had something to give me a warning.

[00:45:47] It was like pop, pop, pop. So yeah, once you injure yourself, you're never the same mentally either. I want to take a quick commercial break when we come back. I want to talk a little [00:46:00] bit about the mentality of people in our community when, when trying to get bigger and stronger is actually not in their best interest, maybe health wise, but how they ignore it, because remember our.

[00:46:15] Our tribe, we embrace reckless use of performance enhancing drugs. And, and, you know, like if you asked a young bodybuilder, you know, if you could be mr. Olympia, but it would take 10 years off your life, they would tell, be like, just show me how to do it. I'm ready. I'll take, I'll take, I'll take the 10 years off my life to get up on that stage.

[00:46:35] I want to talk about that mentality and how that affects the downsizing that may be necessary for some people. Okay. Stay tuned. We'll be right back

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[00:50:25] Carl Lanore: [00:50:25] channel. Welcome back. We're talking with Dan Matha about downsizing, the mental side of caring muscle and strength, and sometimes you have to transition.

[00:50:36] How do you do it? So, you know, our tribe, we use drugs. I do. Um, I've recently gone to a real HRT dose just because I'm not training hard anymore, but you know, up until a year ago, I mean a gram of test a week. Wasn't really anything big to me. And then I'd add little things into it. Like nandrolone fenal probe or something like that.

[00:51:00] [00:50:59] This isn't, this is obviously I know that this is reckless. I'm 62. When I die, someone's going to blame it on my anabolic steroid use, even though it's not, um, But, you know, when you have, when you have a group of people that think that. At all costs being big and strong is the most important thing. And we were talking about the younger guys today, right?

[00:51:23] The guys that aren't Instagram and tick tock, and they're posted pictures of themselves and they're in there twenties and thirties and they're juicing already, you know, how do you convince them that like, dude, man, you need to find something else about yourself that you like, because you're putting all your eggs in this basket.

[00:51:43] It's not a good thing.

[00:51:45] Dan Matha : [00:51:45] Yeah. Being jacked is not a personality trait. You know, like it's not, you know, you can't put that on your Tinder profile. You know, that's not a personality trait and a lot of people get attached. [00:52:00] To look in a certain way and this like this, you know, like we said, before you get attached to this, I got to look like this so I can be respected.

[00:52:09] I got to look like this so that I have value and I have worth, and, and you can do those things. You can train those things, but like you go to the dark side, Ray started taking PDs performance, enhancing drugs, honestly, unless you're a professional. Like athlete that has millions of dollars on the line, the risk reward, you know, even if done, I mean, just doesn't make sense to me, you know, like you can build a great physique without those things.

[00:52:37] Now it may take you five, 10 more years to do that, but you're not going to have to worry about all the health benefit or negative. Side effects that come. And the majority of people don't take the time to learn things properly, you know? Cause you just talked about how you can tell cake, you know, said substance and not have any health issues.

[00:52:56] Right. But most people don't take the time to get their blood work done. [00:53:00] You know, every six weeks they don't take the time to know how a certain compound acts of their body and what's it going to do. And what are the longterm effects people just want. Now now, now, now, now, because they're not, they're not thinking about anything, they're just thinking about themselves.

[00:53:15] They're just thinking about how can I get instant gratification? And that just goes back to what we were talking about with social media. We live in a world that is all about the illusion, you know, and a lot of times when you take performance enhancing drugs, Initially a lot of times that's an illusion because as soon as you come off of that,

[00:53:33] Carl Lanore: [00:53:33] you lose

[00:53:34] Dan Matha : [00:53:34] that that's gone.

[00:53:35] Right. And you know, you're going to keep things as long as you're training and things like that. I know you're going to, you're going to keep a physique, but most of these people are relying on those things to obtain those goals. Right? And it's like, listen, you're young, you're 20. You have no clue. You're 20, 25.

[00:53:50] You have no concept of what 60 is going to be or what 50 is going to be. Right. And you think like all 30 years as a lion instead of [00:54:00] 70, as a lamp. Right. But it's like, ah, you know, when you're 50, you might think of it.

[00:54:03] Carl Lanore: [00:54:03] Well, and the, and those kinds of those kinds of, uh, axioms are lies. I mean, we, we say these things, but they're really not true.

[00:54:11] They're, they're, they're lies, you know, you're not a lamb just because you're not juicing. Number one, there's something else that you just used. The word that I want to focus on for the, for the remainder short time we have left and that's respect, you know, I know guys who get pit bulls because they want to be respected.

[00:54:32] So people are afraid if you've have you grown up in the streets, you know, that fear is attributed. Respect is attributed to fear. Kindness is seen as a weakness. If you're kind, if you're considerate, then you're weak because you can be gotten over on, but these are not true. Neither of these things are actually true [00:55:00] because someone's afraid of you doesn't work.

[00:55:01] Yes. Because someone's afraid of you doesn't mean they respect you. In fact, just because they're afraid of you. They may be talking about you behind your back. That's not respect. They're telling their kids don't be like that. That's not respect there's girls looking at you, going God, that guy's a major douchebag.

[00:55:18] That's not respect. People need to understand that if you feel the need to be feared, you need to get an answer. Do some work on yourself because that is not a good way to go through life being feared, because they will be guys who you will be afraid of. That like now. Okay. So now you're done right now.

[00:55:39] You've got nothing left.

[00:55:41] Dan Matha : [00:55:41] Yeah. Well, so fear, fear is a very, you know, a lot of times we operate most of your, if you're operating from a fear-based standpoint, you are lowering your vibration. You're working from a low vibrational state and you're not [00:56:00] going to attract high vibrational things to you. Right.

[00:56:03] So respect can only come if you respect yourself first. So, and that's not to say that people should, can't disrespect you, even if you respect yourself, but when you have true self value, when you know your worth and what you provide, you respect yourself and others will respect you because of that. Right.

[00:56:25] And you'll learn how to draw the line for disrespect and respectful behavior towards you. You know, and then you truly become in love with, with yourself to the point and not in a narcissistic sense, but where you have so much love for yourself, you refuse to allow people disrespect you, and you don't have to be aggressive.

[00:56:43] You don't have to be a macho masculine. You just need to be assertive. Right. Cause there's a difference between being aggressive to get what you want, want being, you know, being, uh, You know, dangerous or being manipulative to get what you want. Those are aggressive behaviors or being [00:57:00] assertive saying, this is what I want, and this is how I want to be treated.

[00:57:06] Now you don't have to. You don't have to obey those. You don't even have to give those to me, but I'm letting you know that this is my value. This is, this is, this is what I think that I'm worth. And this is how expect to be treated. If you choose not to treat me this way, that's fine. That's on you, but I'm going to walk away or I'm going to keep you away from me or whatever, you know, and that's where you start finding self-respect.

[00:57:29] That's where, you know, you don't need a dog. You don't need a gun. You don't need, you know, 70 pounds of pure muscle to have respect. You know, the, the respect comes when you do that introspective work where it's like, Oh, I'm a disciplined individual. I've worked out for the past 10 years, every other day, eaten healthy, and I've built this physique or, you know, I've, I've got a family that I've raised and they're happy, you know, I'm happy.

[00:57:55] I'm I, you know, that respect that I have. Because of those things, [00:58:00] because I, I, I am putting in, you know, back to being a trench Digger, right? I'm digging these trenches. I'm doing this, this daily work that like brings value to myself.

[00:58:10] Carl Lanore: [00:58:10] Right. Right now I agree. This has been a great discussion. Give good, tell people how they can find your podcast.

[00:58:17] One more

[00:58:17] Dan Matha : [00:58:17] time, so you can find it right now. Like I said, I'm on YouTube. Uh, I I'll, but you go to Dan Matha on YouTube and you'll find all my posts, whether I put all my podcasts on there, blogs, uh, food stuff as well. Also you could go, I have a website. Dan method.com and then on there, you can find everything.

[00:58:37] I have my podcasts on there. I have my, uh, I have my acting portfolio on there. And then I also have my training services on there. So anything for Dan Mesa? Good This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.. And then you can find me across every platform with just typing in Dan

[00:58:52] Carl Lanore: [00:58:52] Mayfair. Thanks for doing this today, Dan.

[00:58:55] Dan Matha : [00:58:55] Yeah, no problem.

[00:58:56] Thanks for having me. Uh, when you sent this to me, I was super excited about it, so [00:59:00] I hope everybody got value from it. And I appreciate Jeremy on Carl.

[00:59:03] Carl Lanore: [00:59:03] All right. We'll talk soon. Okay, brother. Later

[00:59:05] Dan Matha : [00:59:05] bro,

[00:59:06] Carl Lanore: [00:59:06] I'm going to take a quick commercial break. And when we come back, I want to just wrap up a couple of things that, uh, the show did this week.

[00:59:13] Uh, and I also need your help, uh, with the project that I'm working on. Stay tuned. We'll be right back

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