[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] the studio gym is behind me. See it. I'm going to go, let me go grab those dumbbells over there. Welcome back to another episode of super Yuma radio. Today is September 24th, 2020. This would have been my mother's like, I don't know. Let's see. Um, this would have been her 96th birthday. Anyway. I just realized it's September 24.

[00:00:23] Um, we have a really good show today. I have to hope that companies like Facebook and YouTube don't block us because we're going to be talking about things that don't seem to please a lot of people all the time, and that is vaccines. But. It's going to be a very intelligent discussion about vaccines based on some new research that came out that, um, you know, the problem with vaccines is they're not all safe.

[00:00:51] They're just not. And, um, well, we're going to get into that in a little bit. Uh, before we do that, I have to thank my title sponsor, legendary foods. Their [00:01:00] website is eat legendary.com. The coupon code is SHR 10 for 10% off your entire purchase. And they got lots of great stuff there. If you're a low carb, high protein, uh, keto kind of person, uh, or you don't like sugar.

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[00:01:37] I'm going to bring my guests on is the guy who I have a lot of respect for. He's brilliant. Actually, his name is Keith Bell. He runs a website called the gut club.org. We're going to talk about that at the end of the show today because we're get a raise, uh, or point out some problems and I hate pointing out problems without giving solutions.

[00:01:59] And so we're [00:02:00] going to give you solutions at the end of the show. So they stay tuned for the whole thing. How are you doing Keith?

[00:02:04] Keith Bell: [00:02:04] I'm doing all right, Carl happy, a happy birthday to your mom. 96

[00:02:09] Carl Lanore: [00:02:09] ish would have been 96. Yeah. Yeah. God bless her. She was great. She was great. She was strong lowly TN. She's very open minded anyway.

[00:02:16] So, um, you, you want me to ask me a question before we started talking about this study? Right? You want to ask me about what I was doing to my knee the other day?

[00:02:24] Keith Bell: [00:02:24] Yeah. I saw you posted on Facebook that your, your knee has been affected by foot surgery and being in the boot for so long that. That you tweaked your name, perhaps

[00:02:36] Carl Lanore: [00:02:36] over a 12 month period.

[00:02:38] I had to, for our foot surgeries, my left foot is actually an inch shorter than it used to be because I lost so much bone between these two surgeries that had removed bone removed bone. Um, I now have what is more like a peg leg in a pirate and a cartoon. As far as the functionality of my left leg, I have a [00:03:00] foot, um, it doesn't work great and it hurts a lot.

[00:03:03] But during the surgeries, I ended up wearing a walking boot for a total of about six months and that wax your hip out and actually knee up because your ankle. It's locked in. So your, your knee does all of the things that your ankle would have done and, um, I've ended up with something. I don't know. I don't think it's like a bucket handle tear or anything like that.

[00:03:32] I just think that it's from walking so long on the outside of my knee that it's done something. So what you saw on Facebook and Instagram yesterday? There's um, a doctor I had on this show 10 years ago, who talked about, uh, if you need knee replacement surgery for you to do that, he used to do intraarticular growth, hormone [00:04:00] injections.

[00:04:01] Keith Bell: [00:04:01] So

[00:04:02] Carl Lanore: [00:04:02] this was, uh, the ultrasound guided. They take a needle that go right into the synovial capsule, right into the weather, the knee joint connects and they inject 20 grand 20. I use. Of growth hormone right in there. They do this once a week for three weeks, and then you go home and the cartilage regrows something that every orthopedic surgeon will tell you is impossible.

[00:04:32] No, we got to cut the knee out. Can't regrow that stuff. Bullets, baloney. And so. Yeah, I have a problem. So I have, I have a prescription for growth hormone. I took one, are you a growth hormone and 500 micrograms of BPC, one 57. And, and w when you, when you have this kind of condition, you bend your knee.

[00:04:52] There's a, a spot where you can press it soft on the outside of the knee. And that, that bulges [00:05:00] out when you have inflammation in the name it's called assist. And this one is actually called a lateral meniscal cyst. And so I couldn't go into the synovial capsule because you need ultrasound and a long needle.

[00:05:17] I just went to the outside of it. And I popped through, into the cyst, which puts me into the synovial fluid. And I injected my growth hormone and my BPC monthly seven. I have to tell you. My knee has been killing me for days. I woke up this morning. There's no pain.

[00:05:32] Keith Bell: [00:05:32] Wow.

[00:05:33] Carl Lanore: [00:05:33] None at all, but that's that, that's just the acute effects over time.

[00:05:37] I expect that it will start to, uh, regrow, whatever got crushed in there.

[00:05:43] Keith Bell: [00:05:43] Yeah, I hope so. That's interesting. I just wanted to throw a few ideas at you very quickly. Um, I'm a fan of hyaluronic acid and in capsules you can take it orally. It's not just injected into the knee. There's also a sulfur thing, which is, you know,

[00:05:59] Carl Lanore: [00:05:59] as MSM, [00:06:00] MSM, or MSM, right?

[00:06:01] Methyl. So for fame,

[00:06:03] Keith Bell: [00:06:03] well, that's MSM is another thing, uh, that, that would be a good building block for. For Cartlidge and 

[00:06:10] Carl Lanore: [00:06:10] so far a famous what's found in broccoli, isn't it?

[00:06:13] Keith Bell: [00:06:13] That's right. But it's also pertinent to our discussion about COVID-19 because it, it basically leads to a cascade where antioxidants are raised.

[00:06:26] So you're reducing inflammation overall, but, but here's the, here's the real idea. I wonder throw at you. That's helped my own, my own knee. Uh, and in general I do it as a preventative. Now, um, walking backward, you ever get into this,

[00:06:43] Carl Lanore: [00:06:43] you know, I've heard about this before. Go ahead.

[00:06:46] Keith Bell: [00:06:46] Yeah. Walking backward doesn't stress the knee in the way that walking forward does, and it also may stretch it in a way that helps to improve pain relief.

[00:06:57] Carl Lanore: [00:06:57] Right.

[00:06:58] Keith Bell: [00:06:58] I actually liked, [00:07:00] you know, a few nights a week, I'm walking backward up our local bridge over to the beach I'm located at. I'm 10 minutes away from Mar-a-Lago, uh, in Palm beach, County, Florida. Um, so I use the, uh, the bridges actually as a way to walk up the bridge backward. Um, and it's really helped because it strengthens your quads, which then support your knee.

[00:07:22] There's probably a lot more to it, but it could be some good therapy.

[00:07:27] Carl Lanore: [00:07:27] Yeah. And that's, that's, that's brilliant. It's very, very interesting. I never thought about that to be honest with him. Um, so let let's get onto the, uh, the topic at hand unique safety issues associated with virus vector vaccines. This was a study who published this study.

[00:07:41] Keith,

[00:07:43] Keith Bell: [00:07:43] uh, let me see here. Let me share a screen with you. Yes. Um,

[00:07:52] Here it is.

[00:07:54] Carl Lanore: [00:07:54] Let's see, it should pop up. There we go.

[00:07:58] Keith Bell: [00:07:58] Yeah, this is, [00:08:00] there are several, you know, it's a

[00:08:03] Carl Lanore: [00:08:03] Cola. The was a multicentric multicentric effort. Yes, exactly.

[00:08:08] Keith Bell: [00:08:08] Um, and, um, this is a 2016 paper actually, and you're not, we're not hearing a lot about this. This potential for really exacerbating the problem, because what this is about is the, the viral vectors in the, the, in the vaccines that are here develop, there are two types.

[00:08:32] Basically you have the, the AstraZeneca type, which was recently found to cause a severe adverse, neurological reaction. They had to halt the trial and then they've recently rebooted it. Um, And we're not sure how they got it.

[00:08:49] Carl Lanore: [00:08:49] Yeah. I know. I thought it was like, well, did they just decide to do it again and hope that the outcome is different?

[00:08:55] Or did they change something? You know, they

[00:08:57] Keith Bell: [00:08:57] identify the problem. Yeah. We need to look [00:09:00] into how they got that pass. Um, but there's also the Madonna vaccine, which is fraught with, uh, controversy and corruption because the. Executives are cashing in on their stocks. I don't know if you've heard that it's up to them.

[00:09:13] Carl Lanore: [00:09:13] It did. And, and, and, and people need to understand something. Dr. Fowchee was the original CEO of Moderna and he was the CEO of Madrona for many, many, many years. And it, it seems to me, um, for transparency sake, Madrona shouldn't even have been allowed to be in the group of companies to develop a vaccine because.

[00:09:36] There's there's the Patel. Let's say it's not biased. Maybe, maybe he's a Saint Fowchee. There's the, there's the, there's the illusion of bias. There's the concern of bias. And just for that alone, they shouldn't be even in the mix. What do you think? What do you think?

[00:09:52] Keith Bell: [00:09:52] Well, you know, if you want to talk about Fowchee right out of the gate, where we talk about this vaccine study, we can, we can do that [00:10:00] briefly.

[00:10:00] Um, you know, Fowchee has been funding, the pharmaceutical industry. Uh, to the tune of billions and billions of dollars, I don't even know what the total is, but it really got a huge lift in, um, 2004 with project bio shield, which we're also not hearing about in the news that this history of funding and project bio shield was basically an overreaction to anthrax, which happened in 2001, uh, you know, with Tara bio-terrorism.

[00:10:30] Yep. Um, so, you know, in a sense. It's almost understandable that project bio shield would be passed with a $5.6 billion injection into the pharmaceutical industry were found. She also designed, um, liability free, uh, for a liability. Pardon me? No liability, uh, for injuries caused by the drugs and vaccines that were developed on the part of the pharmaceutical industry [00:11:00] funded by Fowchee.

[00:11:01] Project bio shield, but this is dual research because I thought she was also instill is funding and defending. What's called the gain of function research. So it's, it's basically funding the development of expense, mental drugs, and vaccines, and also the development of Corona viruses, um, new Corona viruses that are able to infect mammalian cells.

[00:11:30] So we've got a situation now where the evidence is circumstantial evidence is overwhelming that, that this crisis is of lab origin. In fact, you know, some scientists are saying the burden of proof should now be on the virologists, still claiming natural origin. Um, and

[00:11:51] Carl Lanore: [00:11:51] yeah. To prove, to prove, to prove that it is natural or originated.

[00:11:56] Right. Exactly.

[00:11:57] Keith Bell: [00:11:57] Yeah. Exactly. And so far, all [00:12:00] the, you know, all that information has been debunked and, and, you know, it's, it's just overwhelming at this point that we've got a situation that is of lab origin. Um, there's, it's, it's quite a controversial issue. So it, it got to the point where in 2014, the technology for creating these viruses has been so effective.

[00:12:27] Um, that even the virologists were, were frightened in 2012, by 2014, the Obama administration in combination with the, uh, the scientists decided to put a funding moratorium on this kind of research. It's very risky viral research. When you were creating new viruses genetically and giving them the ability to infect mammalian cells.

[00:12:53] It's not just humans that are being affected. It's. Yeah. It's even since the virus replicates in our guts [00:13:00] and we're, we're deprecating, uh, viruses, um, each and every day, this is going into the habitat of the mammals in the ocean. You know, we have, you know, studies showing that whales and dolphins can be even more effective than humans.

[00:13:16] Um,

[00:13:18] Carl Lanore: [00:13:18] that's very interesting because Australia just had the single largest. Whale beaching event in the history and history. This is really fascinating. You say this Wells are very intelligent. They're like elephants, they go off to die. You know, they don't just hang around and swim and then fall apart.

[00:13:40] Like they have this, uh, For humans, we would call a dignified way of dying. You know, they have a way, you know, like elephants go off, they die away from everybody. Then the same thing, I think w I I'll stand to be corrected. Right. Anybody who's watching the show, listening to the show [00:14:00] wants to correct me, please do.

[00:14:02] It's something like 120, like something ridiculous. So. So one could say 120 whales got caught in like, um, a current and got pushed on onto the beach. I don't think so. Or 120 Wells committed mass suicide. That's a possibility. What, why would whales commit mass suicide? I mean, it's not because of their religious.

[00:14:32] Uh, affiliations, maybe they all realize they were sick and dying and they didn't want to pass this on to the rest of the, uh, the community of Wales who knows. Oh

[00:14:42] Keith Bell: [00:14:42] yeah. I've been following that. You know, this, this is an ongoing problem and mysterious still to even scientists that no one knows why these set of scenes, you know, whales and dolphins are beaching themselves in large number.

[00:14:56] Um, you know, I I've always connected [00:15:00] it to poor sanitation.

[00:15:02] Carl Lanore: [00:15:02] And that could be a tool don't get me wrong, but I'm just saying, you know, we w w the, the problem is we are so cavalier, um, about things. We just think that because we can make sense stuff, it's okay. We should use it because we can make it where humans and, you know, the, the idea that we're making these viruses and.

[00:15:24] In labs now, um, they they're going to consume us. They're going to love this. This is an example of it. We know that this virus started in wool, hon. It's never been denied. What's been done. What's being argued now is it's not that this is a virus of manmade origin. Is not that it didn't start in wool Wolfhagen instead it's, it's the reason like that they do it on purpose or by accident.

[00:15:52] That's where we are today. We're that's what we're we're right now. We're at, did they do it on purpose or by accident? And neither [00:16:00] one of those answers is good because what it means is if it was accidental, then you wouldn't give matches to your kid. If your kid lit it lit a match and set something in the house on fire, you like, that's it no mattress for you ever again because they can't be trusted with them.

[00:16:17] So what we're really learning here is that we can't be trusted to we making these, uh, these, these viruses that are probably going to be for warfare. Why would they make these viruses? What, because some kid wants for a Christmas present wants a virus. No, because they're gonna use them. They're gonna turn them loose on a population at some point in time and have a war, a war where there's no FA gunshot, but we, we have to stop it right now.

[00:16:42] We have to stop it because we're not, we're not responsible enough to handle this stuff.

[00:16:47] Keith Bell: [00:16:47] Well, we did, we did stop it in 2014. Um, but that didn't stop Fowchee for moving the research to , uh, from the United States. I mean, w [00:17:00] most of this technology has come from the United States and largely, uh, from a scientist named Ralph Barrack at the university of North Carolina.

[00:17:08] He's been doing this for 30 years, developing this and, and even he acknowledges that. There's no way to tell the difference between. A lab created virus and one that's naturally evolved because the technology is seamless. We can not determine. Um, and, and we, so we'll probably never have hard evidence that this came from a lab, but this is not about hard evidence.

[00:17:32] We don't need evidence to reimplement a funding moratorium, because this is about bioethics. At this point, this is an ethical issue, right? And there are plenty of scientists saying, Oh, there's no proof. It came from the lab. Well, we don't need proof. Okay. This is an ethical issue. What happened was the scientists then, you know, a few years before 2017, when the, when the.

[00:17:58] Moratorium was [00:18:00] lifted during the Trump administration. We can't completely blame Trump because he was just following the science that was building up before he was right. And

[00:18:10] Carl Lanore: [00:18:10] plus, and plus he's not a scientist, right? I mean, the idea that he looked, people condemn him when he doesn't follow the scientists.

[00:18:19] People condemn him when he does fall. That's it. That's not his thing. It's Fowchee. It's Fowchee. Fowchee is the guy who has the knowledge. He's the one with the connections. He's the one moving all that stuff off to a Wu Han it's Fowchee. It is vouching.

[00:18:33] Keith Bell: [00:18:33] Yeah. Yeah. Trump inherited this problem two years into his administration.

[00:18:39] When the moratorium was lifted. I'd like to think that he could have stopped that from happening, but let's face it. He's also got. Pretty strong ties with the pharmaceutical industry. Um, and,

[00:18:52] Carl Lanore: [00:18:52] and they probably reassured him that there was nothing to worry about.

[00:18:55] Keith Bell: [00:18:55] Of course, of course. And you know, so if you I've been watching the videos from [00:19:00] 2014, through 2016 at the gain of function symposium where our government was just hugely rationalizing the continuation of the gain of function research, that's giving viruses new function to be able to infect.

[00:19:16] Uh, human and mammalian cells. And so they, you know, then the white house gave a directive, uh, that yes, we can lift the moratorium, but this is what we have to do. We have to decide which kinds of experiments are safe and which ones are not assess the risk and decide which ones can and cannot move forward.

[00:19:36] But the flood Gates were open at that point. Right. And, you know, I think the United States is as much to blame whether, whether it came from a military exercise or just sloppy science, which is what I tend to believe on the part of, uh, Chinese laboratories or ma you know, maybe something crazy happened where, uh, this [00:20:00] virus was moved from the United States where, or there's even talk of Canada.

[00:20:04] Um, you know, there are these. These laboratories all over the world, there are a couple hundred in the United States alone, really doing this kind of work. So, you know, and, and it's, and it should be considered illegal because it's, you know, it's basically going against the bio warfare laws, right. You know, their biological warfare, there are laws about what you can and cannot create.

[00:20:30] So. I think they're circumventing the laws and doing something that's terribly unethical. It's. In fact, there were scientists that say nothing good has ever come out of that research, not, not the drugs or the vaccines that are, that are part of the funding or, you know, the demonstration of. How, you know, we can, you know, stay a step ahead of nature.

[00:20:55] Supposedly that's the rational,

[00:20:57] Carl Lanore: [00:20:57] right, right. That's never going to happen. [00:21:00] That's never going

[00:21:00] Keith Bell: [00:21:00] to, we can, that we can create over so absurd. We we've, we feel we can create new viruses and that's a way to demonstrate what might happen. You know, in the future it's it's, it's just too,

[00:21:13] Carl Lanore: [00:21:13] let's let's, let's get back on track here with vaccines for a second.

[00:21:16] So what are the, what are the problems that this particular paper points out with this approach to making vaccines that obviously is the it approach that they're using for the COVID-19 vaccine right now, too? Yeah.

[00:21:28] Keith Bell: [00:21:28] Let me, let me put that back up. Um,

[00:21:34] this is a study that, that really says it pretty succinctly. Then there's are several that. That we're concerned about this, but we're not hearing about it in the media. The problem is that in relationship to the vaccines, especially the one that, that, of the type that AstraZeneca, um, is, uh, is developing.

[00:21:56] This is they're using a dental viruses and [00:22:00] genetically engineering them to, you know, combine it with SARS Kovi to spike proteins. So that when this what's called a viral vector, enters ourselves, it teachers ourselves to produce the SARS Kovi to spike proteins. And this is what causes our bodies to produce antibodies.

[00:22:22] Um, and so that's, that's the that's, what's behind it. The same, the same kind of thing is what's happening with has vaccine and you know, the other types of RNA vaccines, but they're not using. Um, identity viruses. They're just using the, the RNA.

[00:22:40] Carl Lanore: [00:22:40] So one, so one, once you teach ESL this new technology, then you could probably apply it to other things too, right?

[00:22:48] I mean, if you teach a cell to add these spike proteins to this, is it only ever going to act on this or, or will it go, Hey, you know what? Let's put spike proteins on that virus too.

[00:23:00] [00:23:00] Keith Bell: [00:23:00] Okay. That's the problem that, you know, if you read the title they're talking about. Theoretical consequences of recombination with wild type virus.

[00:23:10] Carl Lanore: [00:23:10] Yeah.

[00:23:11] Keith Bell: [00:23:11] That's a scary prospect.

[00:23:13] Carl Lanore: [00:23:13] So basically what ends up happening is you'll take a virus that, uh, people are already immune to. You'll add these spikes to it. Now they're no longer immune to it, but not only that. And now it's even, it's, it's a, it's more of a scourge than it was before when you had it and it could be deadly.

[00:23:28] So this could actually end up accidentally. Weaponizing multitudes of viruses that we've already dealt with and we've that we've already put behind us.

[00:23:42] Keith Bell: [00:23:42] Well, not only that, but it could be multiplying the SARS Coby to problem, but who knows what the longterm effects are, you know, so it's a pretty scary prospect to consider that this could be happening when we're being told by the media and by. [00:24:00] The scientists who are developing these vaccines, that there's no way for the vaccine, um, viral vector to replicate, but the,

[00:24:09] Carl Lanore: [00:24:09] but they don't

[00:24:09] Keith Bell: [00:24:09] know that.

[00:24:11] Well, they do know that there, you know, that it is actually possible. And, but they're not being forthright.

[00:24:17] Carl Lanore: [00:24:17] That's I mean, they don't know that it won't, they, what they know is that it actually will stop. Yeah. So let's talk about now. So let's talk about something interesting that we talked about once before on this show.

[00:24:28] Um, we know that vaccines in general have a different effectiveness that stratified by race and by other, uh, uh, uh, phenotypes like obesity. Uh, so they estimated that this vaccine, when it's available for COVID-19 will I best have a 50%. Effective rates, which means a rate, which means that for every two people [00:25:00] that get the vaccine only one will be protected by it.

[00:25:02] Now who knows what's gonna happen to the other person? Um, the, the thing that makes vaccines, um, effective or not effective is your gut, right?

[00:25:17] Keith Bell: [00:25:17] Well, yeah, there, um, that's what the gut clubs, microbiome vaccine safety project is about. We're thinking, you know, this central hypothesis that the microbes present at time of vaccination are guiding the immune response.

[00:25:36] And if you have the wrong, not necessarily wrong, maybe the wrong word, but if you, if you have, have an imbalance, whether it's natural due to your race or ethnicity, or it isn't an underlying condition, if that imbalance. Is present. Then you can have an adverse vaccine reaction based [00:26:00] on the microbes present.

[00:26:01] You may be missing certain protective bacteria that are needed to regulate the immune response. We're focusing on probiotic bacteria in that case, like, um, the bifidobacteria and lactobacillus, but there was also. Bacteroidetes which regulate immune response, right? This is key. And one of the most striking examples of this would be antibiotics used prior to vaccination.

[00:26:32] And this is happening in large amount, um, with, uh, in, in childbirth, especially. Uh, so Sarah and suction routine, uh, antibiotics are used. This could be a devastating one, two punch because you then. Have you have a situation where back sororities are found to be low in, uh, in the, uh, newborn as well as in, in the mother, [00:27:00] because the antibiotic is lowering these immune regulating microbes.

[00:27:05] So it's not just about bifidobacteria and lactobacillus. It's also about. That's right. He's and also the general overall balance. Right? So then, then you're set up with a situation where you can have, um, you know, this could be a, a biological, biologically plausible mechanism for how vaccines can cause autism.

[00:27:28] And in fact, we know that autism rates are, are, are known to be higher in C-section babies. Okay. And

[00:27:38] Carl Lanore: [00:27:38] then if we cost the preacher, the mother is pretreated with an antibiotic as a prophylaxis.

[00:27:42] Keith Bell: [00:27:42] Yeah. Yeah. It's also, um, you know, that obese mothers are, are at more risk of having autistic child.

[00:27:50] Carl Lanore: [00:27:50] Well, if they have a, they have a higher bacteria back, how do you pronounce it?

[00:27:54] I always say bacteria DDS it's bacteroides well,

[00:27:58] Keith Bell: [00:27:58] actually, when it comes to [00:28:00] obesity, I've been focusing on proteobacteria that's another gram negative bacteria there, you know, it's shown that. They're enriched in proteobacteria and this could also explain this huge health disparity of obesity with the severe COVID-19 symptoms and the same biological mechanism applies to blacks and Hispanics.

[00:28:28] They have their known, I've been collecting for a number of years. Examples of raised gram negative bacteria in minorities. It's not really well accepted and it's not frankly as well studied as it needs to be, but there's enough indication that raised gram negative bacteria are basically a natural part of flora.

[00:28:51] And in, in, in blacks and Hispanics, that's higher levels of  and, uh, proteobacteria [00:29:00] depending on. Which, you know, depending on your age, there's one study that I found, you know, I was seeking this out because I was concerned about proteobacteria predisposition and COVID-19 symptoms. And I found one paper showing that proteobacteria bind SARS, Coby to wow.

[00:29:21] People are misconstrued. Yeah. The paper misconstrued the problem, the paper, uh, tried to show that people who are old. Yeah, because we're also talking about this cause an age issue and, and a microbial microbial balance shifts naturally with age, but the paper, try to show that when you reduced in proteobacteria as you age, you therefore don't have the ability to bind the virus and therefore not, uh, not able to defend yourself, but.

[00:29:58] The real issue, as [00:30:00] far as I'm concerned is the binding of the virus is actually leading to replication and also translocation translocation. The virus is able to move in the body then and

[00:30:14] Carl Lanore: [00:30:14] set up shop everywhere at once. Basically.

[00:30:16] Keith Bell: [00:30:16] Exactly. You know, it can go the nasal cavity to the, to the lungs, to the gut, right.

[00:30:20] To the liver and then back to the lungs. Right. So, you know, it's, it's a major issue with, with. Viral bacterial interaction that the world is coming to grips with now,

[00:30:32] Carl Lanore: [00:30:32] but they don't, they don't, they don't think they, you know, the funny thing is I've heard very little talk by any of the scientists out there about people starting to focus on getting healthy.

[00:30:46] Keith Bell: [00:30:46] And the

[00:30:46] Carl Lanore: [00:30:46] other problem is that what people think is healthy is, you know, you've got you say healthy, I mean, 60 different things to 65 different people, but. Well, I want to take a break. When we come back, I want to come back and talk about. Minorities, you know, [00:31:00] the blacks and Hispanics, but I also want to talk about vitamin D a little bit too, because clearly when we look at COVID-19 D is a, is a big, heavy weightlifter.

[00:31:11] And let's talk about if we could connect any dots in black and Hispanic people. When we come back, stay tuned. We'll be right back. Don't hate us because we feel good.

[00:31:29] welcome back. We're talking with Keith Bell. His website is the gut club.org. He's doing some amazing things nobody's paying attention to, but should, you know, Hippocrates said all disease starts in the gut and it's true. We're finding that out. Parkinson's disease starts in the gut. I mean, we know this now we have to stop paying attention and we have to stop acting like our gut is Bulletproof doing stupid stuff that just hurts our guts [00:32:00] over time.

[00:32:01] And it does catch up with you. So talk about let's connect some dots, dark skin, vitamin D, and propensity to, um, get this infection and suffer from it.

[00:32:13] Keith Bell: [00:32:13] Okay. Well look. Let me try to unpack this because I don't really believe vitamin D should be called the sunshine vitamin, you know, like we're led to believe, of course Sunshine's important.

[00:32:29] Uh, but it's also true that gut flora regulate vitamin D levels. Um, one, you know, one example is we know probiotics can raise vitamin D levels,

[00:32:44] Carl Lanore: [00:32:44] which ones.

[00:32:46] Keith Bell: [00:32:46] Well, it was shown there's one study. I'm thinking of in particular that lactobacillus raised vitamin D levels. Okay. But, but I would suspect that bifidobacteria as well.

[00:32:57] I have a, an exploration [00:33:00] photo about this, where I've been compiling these studies for years. That's what I do on Facebook. On, on our page, the gut club, I posted a photo and then have a hundred comments under it. Um, Compiling the research and having public discussion about it, right. By the way, also on the gut club page on Facebook, we have a separate private group, the gut club stool test discussion group.

[00:33:23] We can talk about that later. Yeah. You're part of that group. Yeah. I'm happy that you're there, Carl. Um, but you know, the other example with vitamin D one of, one of my heroes in vitamin D research is, uh, a scientist who works at university of Illinois. I'm in the Chicago branch, actually, that's my Alma mater.

[00:33:45] I went to a U of I in champagne and I'm from Chicago. Um, but her name is June's son. I've been following her work for 10 years now. And in 2010, she released a study [00:34:00] showing that microbes gut gut flora are basically toying with our vitamin D receptors. You know, the VDR research that she's done is amazing.

[00:34:13] Right? And this is, and she is really doing a great job outlining, you know, not just how flora interact with vitamin D levels through the BDRs, but also how vitamin D activates the immune system to balance flora. So it's this it's this bi-directional, uh, The thing that's going on with, with vitamin D. So the issue here is that it just could be that in minorities that have a natural propensity for raised gram negative bacteria, that their VCRs are being affected.

[00:35:00] [00:35:00] And that may be resulting in lower levels of vitamin D. You're including the active form. So that's, that's been my construct in that I've been exploring for a while. Not that I'm against sunshine, I'm all about sunshine, but you know, back in 2012 or so I was, you know, basically laughing at the work of what I called the shirtless scientists, uh, who should be embarrassed.

[00:35:26] Um, I said embarassed absolutely for, for focusing on sun when they really should be focusing on Florida. So

[00:35:37] Carl Lanore: [00:35:37] why do minorities have higher a gram negative bacteria? Why do you think,

[00:35:42] Keith Bell: [00:35:42] you know, maybe it's about geography and also an ancestral diet and it's a matter of evolution, but see

[00:35:51] Carl Lanore: [00:35:51] here's, here's, here's, here's what kind of breaks that apart.

[00:35:56] So if we look at African Americans [00:36:00] that w that truly have lineage to Africa, That  came here as slaves and they were given food. That was not what they evolved to eat. I'm sure that some of the slaves were probably from the original Messiah tribe, you know, where they drank raw blood and they. They milk cows and they will, they will kind of like lacto, OVO, vegetarians.

[00:36:30] And

[00:36:31] Keith Bell: [00:36:31] so

[00:36:32] Carl Lanore: [00:36:32] they brought him to the United States and they, and they're given this new diet of really horrible food. I mean, look, I'm from Brooklyn and the South is beautiful, but. The South has some pretty bad food. You know, everything is right. Everything is deep fried, it's fried and sugar. And it's a, there's a lot of w what we call, um, comfort food that comes from the South.

[00:36:57] And it's just, yeah, it's just not good. [00:37:00] Could it be that one of the things that happened to black Americans is that their diet was abruptly shifted, and this is the result.

[00:37:13] Keith Bell: [00:37:13] Yeah, I liked that. You did, you mention the Mussai yeah. Your example, you know, one of the staple foods of the Messiah is fermented Derrick.

[00:37:23] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And that's, that's similar to a kefir, which by the way, the gut club is producing some very special kefir grains. We can talk about that a little bit later. You make your own kefir it's, it's, it's quite, quite amazing stuff. Um, but there are migrant studies. Carl that show about the flourish shift when people migrate to the United States.

[00:37:47] Um, and one study in particular, um, was done at university of Minnesota a couple of years ago, and they, they demonstrated a shift away from bachelor parties. Uh I'm I'm [00:38:00] sorry.

[00:38:00] Carl Lanore: [00:38:00] Firmicutes to Bacteroidetes. Yeah.

[00:38:03] Keith Bell: [00:38:03] Yeah. Yeah. Actually what, what they, what they found was they studied the Thai people. Um, even though the Somalis were also part of the study, um, that's a whole different conversation with, with Somalis of Minnesota related to autism, for example.

[00:38:20] Um, but, but as part of this migrant microbiome study, they demonstrated that when people move to the United States, their Bacteroidetes, uh, their profits hella back shorties ratio, Is skewed, you know, in their home countries, that high levels of Prevotella, which is part of, part of the phylum bacteroides DDS bacteria, DDS has as two basic branches.

[00:38:46] It has Prevotella and it has cities when people migrate to the United States, whether it's from a toxic environment or a change in diet or a different vaccine schedule. [00:39:00] All these things are contributing to a situation where they're losing Prevotella and they're gaining batteries. And how that relates to immune response is a very big deal.

[00:39:12] Carl Lanore: [00:39:12] Okay. Wait a minute. So, so let's talk about something that's, you know, is, is discussed, but nothing ever changes. The chemicals used on our food. We know, um, auntie, um, Anti-fungals and, uh, herbicides both tend to be, um, anti-microbial in nature. And the difference between an antibiotic and an antimicrobial is the dosing, the duration.

[00:39:45] So anti-microbials are like baby antibiotics. We know that chemicals like a Roundup, for instance. Which just about every commercial crop is now Roundup [00:40:00] resistant, so they can spray thousands of tons on it to keep the weed population down around the crops. Um, we know that those change the gut microbiome because they basically act like a low level antibiotic day in and day out that you're eating foods and, and, and it's not like one food.

[00:40:21] It's not like you say, Oh, well, I don't eat. Uh, I don't eat fresh vegetables every day. Well, no, but you eat foods that were made from vegetable origins that still have residual glyphosate in them. Could, could it be as simple? I mean, isn't it just, is it just a food here that sucks and it's destroying people's guts.

[00:40:41] Keith Bell: [00:40:41] It could be. And also, you know, raised antibiotics used in, in the livestock industry is a huge issue, but you know, I've been following and learning about. Roundup also known as glyphosate. And I cannot wait for the juries, the cancer trials, you know, the Monsanto bear [00:41:00] cancer trials. I, you know, I cannot wait for the lawyers to begin educating these juries about how this is a matter of metabolism guided by, by microbial imbalance, leading to cancer.

[00:41:15] And, you know, because they haven't heard word one about it yet. And. The way it actually works is it works in the same way in plants. It's inhibiting the ability to produce the aromatic amino acids, which are crucial to health. One of which is tripped to fan. That's a huge thing when it comes to, uh, immunity and, um, and also, you know, gut brain health, of course, because tryptophan is the precursor to our neurotransmitters.

[00:41:49] Um, both serotonin and melatonin

[00:41:52] Carl Lanore: [00:41:52] melatonin. I was just, I was waiting for everybody. Everybody's got sleep problems. They, everybody,

[00:41:57] Keith Bell: [00:41:57] yeah. As well as niacin, you know, that's also part [00:42:00] of tryptophan metabolism. So that's a huge issue right there. And that's how it's also affecting microbes. They have the same, um, what's called the  pathway.

[00:42:12] Right. And, um, and I think sometimes people pronounce it. , um, pathway. And it that's what, how it's killing weeds, but that's also how it's affecting microbes. This was kind of an afterthought. They never thought that microbes were so important in the 1970s when glyphosate was being developed. And so now we know how important they are to soil health and also, um, the nutrition that's available in our food.

[00:42:44] Uh, microbes are, have been shown for instance, to raise vitamin C levels and strawberries, you know, it's, it comes down to soil microbes, right? And this also, it also becomes a, a climate change issue because the microbes are now recognized as being the [00:43:00] holder of carbon in the soil. They sequester carbon and trust and, and that's, that's a much greater issue than any pollution that's being put in the air by fossil fuels.

[00:43:12] In fact, the, um, the carbon right now being released from soils in the Arctic is, you know, because of, of microbial release of, of carbon is more than 189 countries combined. So, you know, that's why regenerate regenerative, agriculture really needs to become the priority so that we're not killing our soil microbes.

[00:43:39] Carl Lanore: [00:43:39] Yeah, so D but you would agree that, I mean, well, there's something about being here, but we, we know that from dietary shifts, like, uh, going, uh, going carnival for instance, or going Quito, we know that [00:44:00] there's dramatic shifts in just days in microbial, microbial diversity in the gut. That's both good and bad news.

[00:44:08] The good news is you can change it. We're going to tell you how to find out what it is. At the end of the show so that you know what you need to do to protect yourself. If you're like me, like I'm, I'm getting on board with all this stuff right now. I really am. I have ignored my gut and it's, and it's now it's got my attention.

[00:44:26] It's like, you're not ignoring me anymore. Um,

[00:44:30] Keith Bell: [00:44:30] I don't know about that. Carl I've I've been your fan for a little while now, a few years ago. You're you're more cued into this clued into this than the average person,

[00:44:38] Carl Lanore: [00:44:38] but, you know, but you know what I'm like that mechanic who can build the best hot rod in the world, but my car keeps breaking down because I don't spend any time on my stuff.

[00:44:47] I spend a lot of time and everybody else's stuff and that's going to change. That really is. But, um, what, what, what I, what I think that I'm trying to say here is that. Our food and [00:45:00] our environment and even our way of life. Well, we haven't even talked about cell phones. There are emerging studies now showing that self radiation changes, microbiome diversity, and we all live with our own personal transmitter.

[00:45:18] We keep it right here where it can get right into our bodies and ruin stuff. And so, I mean, I put mine on airplane mode as soon as I put it in my pocket, but. Um, I live in a sea of it. It doesn't matter. I've posted, um, from my spectrum analyzer on Facebook, the vaporous soup that we live in that's radio frequencies from everywhere around this.

[00:45:40] But anyway, the good news is that we can change it. Right. I mean, we can fix this if we understand what is wrong in our gut. Right.

[00:45:49] Keith Bell: [00:45:49] Well, you know, there's a lot of science now, uh, with regard to COVID-19, um, that. That it's the microbes that we need to pay attention to. In fact, there are [00:46:00] now over 100 research papers about the microbiome and COVID-19, it's not getting a lot of play in the media, of course.

[00:46:07] Uh, but you know, I've been collecting them on the gut club under one photo in particular. Um, let me see if I have a sheriffs, a screenshare for that. I think I have. Mmm. You go on our, on our Facebook page, the gut club.org. Here it is. You'll you'll see this, uh, photo, I guess you have to prove it. Yeah, there you go.

[00:46:30] Narrative so that, you know, that's, that's where we're keeping the list of, of dozens of studies about the microbiome. And COVID-19 not just as, as prevention, you know, people are doing things like eating kimchi, which is high in protective lactobacillus, and there's even science behind these probiotics.

[00:46:54] That are preventing. It was, it was shown that it was preventing and treating [00:47:00] SARS. So the same as being shown now with, with, um, with SaaS Coby too, and how we can consider this, this construct as a way to both prevent and treat the disease. I wouldn't be surprised if people struck begin to start considering fecal microbiota transplant, FMT.

[00:47:23] As a treatment for, you know, for co severe COVID-19 because it's been shown in these studies that they have higher levels of pathogenic bacteria. Now, whether that is happening prior to the infection, um, or whether, yeah, we're not, the infection is skewing immune response, which then leads to the imbalance.

[00:47:46] It's probably both. You know, it's it, it, but, but my construct is more about predisposition. So the microbes present at the time of the infection overrides, um, pretty [00:48:00] much everything we need to, we need to prevent this disease. And that's why people have the ability to walk around as asymptomatic carriers.

[00:48:07] That that picture by the way, is all about gut dysbiosis and how it guides the immune response. Which then directly affects the lungs. It was put out, uh, several months ago before it was known that COVID-19 is affecting a lot more than just the lungs. It's also a brain issue, but more and more, uh, Carl I'm also realizing that this problem, no that's scaring the shit out of everybody in the world is very similar to influenza.

[00:48:43] Common influenza.

[00:48:44] Carl Lanore: [00:48:44] See, but as soon as you say that people go, Oh, the influenza doesn't do this and influence and never did that,

[00:48:51] Keith Bell: [00:48:51] but right, right. Well, you know, there are, there are some obvious differences. I mean, you know, Kovi too, can pack hospitals more quickly, [00:49:00] um, and, and burden our resources and, you know, but I saw a study the other day that normally would scare people.

[00:49:09] You know, beyond belief that, that now the scientists have confirmed that, um, SARS Kovi too, has ability to cross the blood brain barrier and go into the neurons of the brain. But the same thing was shown with influenza. Right. So, you know, so what's, what's really the difference. So I th I, I hope that this is a wake up call that we need to start.

[00:49:32] Paying attention to, you know, our planetary and personal microbiome and start getting people healthy because, you know, you know, when we have this problem with obesity in the world, that that explains a large part of it. Let me share one more, um, screen here, Carl. Okay. I think I just put it up.

[00:49:53] Carl Lanore: [00:49:53] Yup. I'm putting it up.

[00:49:54] Keith Bell: [00:49:54] Okay. There we go. Wow. That's a, that's a, that's a list of, um, you know, obesity. [00:50:00] In the world it's fairly recent, like within a, within a year, I think

[00:50:04] Carl Lanore: [00:50:04] who's down. Who's the, who's the fact is that's us United States, right? Yeah.

[00:50:08] Keith Bell: [00:50:08] We're the most obese on the whole list. You look at Sweden they're number, number eight.

[00:50:14] I think

[00:50:14] Carl Lanore: [00:50:14] you're all the way up at the top.

[00:50:15] Keith Bell: [00:50:15] Yeah. Yeah. This explains the difference as to why, even though they had kind of a modified lockdown, they, you know, they also were pretty free with their society, but. Having suffered near the problems that the United States has. Now, you look at New Zealand. I was shocked to discover New Zealand at the bottom of the list, neck and neck, with the United States in obesity.

[00:50:40] Most people, I don't think I've come to terms with this, but the lockdown was effective for them right now in the last couple of days, they're opening up. I'm, I'm fearful that because of their, their. Underlying conditions

[00:50:57] Carl Lanore: [00:50:57] that there's going to be a spike. It's going to be interesting. [00:51:00] Yeah,

[00:51:02] Keith Bell: [00:51:02] they could be in for trouble and, and there, they may not be protecting a very large percentage of the obesity yet.

[00:51:09] Carl Lanore: [00:51:09] Okay. Now, and now, now if they, if they don't see a spike, so New Zealand, you know, they don't use glyphosate in New Zealand. They don't use a lot of things in New Zealand, New Zealand, beef is raised differently. So that's going to be interesting to, if they don't see the spike then yeah. Then the, the changes in the gut microbiome that is missing from them, but present in us, even though we're both obese nations may be the difference.

[00:51:39] Keith Bell: [00:51:39] Yeah. The difference may also manifest. Sadly in the indigenous people of New Zealand, like the minorities, um, where obesity and diabetes are huge issues, you know, in fact, obesity and diabetes, I think there are probably more amputations taking place in, in these Island nations like Tonga, um, [00:52:00] you know, that are all in that part of the world.

[00:52:01] Obesity. It's huge there. And, and to me, it's a matter of flora imbalance, how they got that way. Um, maybe it's an ancestral diet, a lot of, uh, a lot of starch, high starch diet. It could also be a matter of poor sanitation. You know, you're, you're on an Island and defecating for generations. Um, you can bet your small intestine is going to be affected that that's that's sanitation issue is, you know, pretty striking in places like India where know toilets are not used.

[00:52:34] It's their practice open defecation. And this leads to. A growth stunting epidemic in children, 40 million children in India are growth stunted because their microbes are imbalanced in the small intestine. They have high levels again of proteobacteria yet, somehow in India. They've also been able to escape large mortality so far.

[00:52:56] Yeah. That's recently been attributed to a genetic factor, [00:53:00] so it's yeah. Yeah. Anyway, let me, let me stop the screen share.

[00:53:05] Carl Lanore: [00:53:05] And I dropped that anyway. I look how I want to, I want to take a break. I got more questions, more things I want to talk about. This is fascinating at the end of the show, we're going to tell you how you can get your own gut checked out, um, and at least understanding and what needs to be addressed before you get too old.

[00:53:22] We're talking today with Keith Bell. His website is the gut club.org. I also want to talk about, uh, and, and in depth. What Keith is proposing to those who want to get vaccinated to understand where their gut microbes are before vaccination. Uh, because this could be. The deciding factor between good outcome, about bad outcomes.

[00:53:47] So stay tuned. We'll be right back. Do you remember those delicious? What happened? Where's my music. You were a kid, you know the rectangle. Oh man. There we go. You were listening to the superhuman channel. We're [00:54:00] ripped and we're ready. Welcome back. We're talking with Keith Bell, his website is the gut club.org.

[00:54:08] Great place to go and check out. Also check out his Facebook page, uh, the gut club. So the question that I really want to know is what is the difference between a young gut and an old gut? And is there a fingerprint that we can look at and go, okay, that's where I am now. I want to be back to where I was before.

[00:54:32] Keith Bell: [00:54:32] Yeah, there sure is. Um, one of the areas that the gut club has been focusing on is longevity and also the gut microbe assembly, um, from birth to, to, to death. So, you know, it's interesting to also consider microbes, uh, colonizing in the womb and there's, this is a very controversial [00:55:00] area. Where the fetus, um, maybe colonized there's evidence that there is colonization in the, in the gut, but there's, there are scientists that are still poo-pooing that, um, but I think they're, they're disconnected and not.

[00:55:16] Paying attention necessarily. Um, I believe that microbes colonize in the womb and also, uh, microbes are picked up in the birth canal. Um, then with breastfeeding,

[00:55:27] Carl Lanore: [00:55:27] the Arriola that only the milk, the areola.

[00:55:30] Keith Bell: [00:55:30] Exactly. And that's right, the skin microbiome. In fact, uh, the most prevalent, uh, microbes in breast milk appear to be.

[00:55:38] Skin microbes. Yeah. Strep, strep, and staph. Um, but even more important are the prebiotics. And also these, um, these vesicles of protective microbiota, like lactobacillus, um, is going into the infant gut and, and, uh, basically informing the immune system, [00:56:00] but also the human milk oligosaccharides HMO is. Are feeding, bifidobacteria in particular.

[00:56:06] Carl Lanore: [00:56:06] Right? In fact, when I developed thrive protein, which was built around the framework of human breast milk, I found out that the oligosaccharides were not for the baby, but they will, for them the microbes that were alive in the middle.

[00:56:20] Keith Bell: [00:56:20] Yeah. I'd like to see, I didn't know you had that part.

[00:56:22] Carl Lanore: [00:56:22] I'm doing away with it.

[00:56:23] It's too expensive to produce. And it's a, it's a commodity, you know, protein powders are commodity items now, and I just couldn't compete. I'm doing away with them.

[00:56:32] Keith Bell: [00:56:32] Maybe it's a matter of marketing. If you have this insight about the gut and you can, you can use that as a tool to educate.

[00:56:41] Carl Lanore: [00:56:41] I do. I'll I'll, I'll send you a jug, actually, the protein I got bef both bifido and lactobacillus, uh, um, um, pretty healthy doses in a serving.

[00:56:51] So anyway.

[00:56:52] Keith Bell: [00:56:52] Okay. Interesting. And also the HMO is like there's a, you know, the, the, the park in breastmilk that's known to raise bifidobacteria, um, [00:57:00] Is is also available on the shelf to FL there's also three FL and for FL, but to NFL is supposed to be the most important one. And you can buy that on the shelf to raise your bifidobacteria, right?

[00:57:13] That's the, the HMO in the main components of breast milk. So the healthy breastfed infant gut is it can be 80% bifidobacteria. Unfortunately, the science has also shown that over the last century, that bifidobacteria is disappearing. Mysteriously. Well, it just so happens that a bifidobacteria were found to be the most, uh, susceptible to Roundup of all the microbes study studied according to one, um, one research paper, they, uh, so they weren't using humans.

[00:57:46] So I think they were studying chickens at this point. Um, but the point is bifidobacteria are so crucial because they're regulating gastric pH. [00:58:00] Um, and so the, the research is showing that because bifidobacteria are disappearing,

[00:58:06] Carl Lanore: [00:58:06] pH is going up, everybody everybody's blaming it on. Um, what is that? A bug that everybody blames the gut, uh, changes in, uh,

[00:58:16] Keith Bell: [00:58:16] each pylori.

[00:58:17] Carl Lanore: [00:58:17] Yeah, everybody blames on an H pylori, but the reality is H pylori is a very important player. In fact, children with higher H pylori levels tend not to develop asthma. So you CA H pylori is not old and people always told about you, Oh, you got to wipe out all the H pylori. Like, no, that can't be right.

[00:58:34] Keith Bell: [00:58:34] Oh.

[00:58:34] So many people have used antibiotics. My motto is you can't kill your self. You can't kill your way to good health. Right. You have to add with the add life. Right. So, so anyway, uh, then with microbiota assembly, um, after bifido bacteria flourish, then solid food is added and your clit stadia then begin to flourish.

[00:58:56] And these are key because they are the main producers of [00:59:00] butyrate. So butyrate is a huge player in overall health, including the brain. Um, so, you know, iterate does things like mop up oxygen, um, in the, in the intestines and the colon. And therefore you're lowering the aerobic microbiota and raising the healthy anaerobic microbes.

[00:59:24] Um, that's, that's one way that they interact with that. That's one way butyrate interacts with, um, colonocytes of the gut. So the problem though, as we age, is when losing these, these beneficial microbes, uh, mm. You know, there are several centenarian studies, you know, people that reach a hundred years old order showing that they have these protective microbes.

[00:59:51] In fact, if they're a hundred years old, You can be guaranteed that they have them. They have the butyrate producers, right? They have have the bifidobacteria [01:00:00] and the lactobacillus still. Now, how do they have them? It's a matter of genes and diet, of course, there's interaction there. Um, you know, our, our genes actually program our ourselves to feed those protective microbes.

[01:00:16] That's called glide Cannes. So one of the areas that I've been. I've been interested in is in particular the  gene and whether or not you are a secrete or if you're a secrete or then that changes your levels of microbes. In fact,  status can play, it might play a role in COVID 19 severity. Um, and it also can play a role in adverse vaccine reaction.

[01:00:46] You know, so it's not just, you know, the microbes that are present. It's also the genes. That are regulating microbial balance. So there were a lot of things we can do as we age, you know, we've got older people, we're losing our, what I call our bank of [01:01:00] wisdom before their time. That's why, even though mortality rates are low, it's still a, you know, a heinous situation because we're losing the elderly before their time.

[01:01:11] We'll say, Oh, it's just thinning out the population. Naturally. I don't buy that. We're losing, um, you know, large amounts of, uh, of people in minorities that otherwise would not have been affected. Newborns are now infected, probably vertically transmitted in the womb with SARS Kobe too. That's a despicable situation.

[01:01:34] Yeah. There's no way that we should be condoning this problem just because mortality rates are low. No, we can't condone this because. Well, the likelihood of lab origin needs to be our focus. So you need to change that because now, you know, for eternity, he better is having to deal with a virus that we never had to deal with before.

[01:01:58] Um, so my [01:02:00] God, what a mess. Yeah, I, so we cannot, we cannot condone this.

[01:02:03] Carl Lanore: [01:02:03] So, uh, since you invoked vaccines, and that was the original discussion today, explain to the audience how the microbiome affects. Vaccine outcomes, whether or not the vaccines actually work for you, whether or not the vaccines actually hurt you, discuss that.

[01:02:22] Keith Bell: [01:02:22] Well, there, you know, there are some studies that show microbiota do regulate the immune response to vaccination. And in fact, you know, one paper, uh, was shown was shown, uh, that bifidobacteria were crucial to this. So let's say you're, you're you're vaccinated and you have very low bifidobacteria counts.

[01:02:46] And then because of that, you have high, uh, gastric acid pH allowing pathogenic microbes to overgrowth. Then you may suffer an immune response to that can cause injury. [01:03:00] And it's not just, you know, we're not just talking about a fever we're talking about in cephalitis and brain inflammation. Um, Or, uh, yeah, transverse my lightest, which is what was the severe symptom recently shown with the AstraZeneca

[01:03:17] Carl Lanore: [01:03:17] COVID-19 vaccine.

[01:03:18] Right,

[01:03:19] Keith Bell: [01:03:19] right. Yeah. So, you know, that's inflammation of the spinal cord. Um, and, and, and

[01:03:25] Carl Lanore: [01:03:25] the brain, because the spinal cord become the meningeal layers of the brain is the sheath that goes down into the spinal cord. So if you have inflammation in your spinal cord, you'll probably have it in some areas of your brain, too.

[01:03:36] Keith Bell: [01:03:36] Exactly exactly. You know, with one of the telltale signs of adverse vaccine reaction, leading to autism, you know, in an infant as a high pitched scream, scream, and an arched back, you know that yeah. Or it could be a seizure, uh, that that's caused, uh, you know, part of the gut club, um, is the gut brain epilepsy project.

[01:04:00] [01:03:59] That's really how I. Got inspired to learn about gut brain access. We had a dog with a seizure disorder that was obviously of God origin. This is 10 years ago. So I was finally able to control her seizures by, uh, by addressing her gut, not, not her brain, um, directly. So you know that that's, that's the construct, but the problem is Carl that there's not one research paper published that is demonstrating.

[01:04:29] Gut origin of adverse vaccine reaction. And we have, um, our, our project, the microbiome vaccine safety project has published a paper. Uh, one of my coauthors is very important. She has her own vaccine lab at Virginia tech lesion. One you won and we ask the question in the title of our paper, do gut microbiota, mediate, adverse vaccine reaction.

[01:04:54] There's not one paper published about this, but there are scientists. Acknowledging the gut microbes [01:05:00] do, um, do actually, uh, regulate the immune response to vaccines. And there are even for years now, probiotic adjuncts being developed, you know, they want to send the vaccine tied to a bacteria. This is another huge area you have

[01:05:17] Carl Lanore: [01:05:17] genetically.

[01:05:17] Oh, you mean, but wait a minute. Are they going to, are they going to orally take this before the vaccine or is it actually going to be part of the vaccine?

[01:05:24] Keith Bell: [01:05:24] It is the vet it's part of the vaccine instead of aluminum, you can use microbes and they've, that's been, you know, these, these vesicles, uh, they're called outer membrane vesicles O MVS.

[01:05:36] They actually add that as an adjunct, hint is more effective than aluminum. So, you know, it's microbes run the show. Carl, we need to, you know, get on that bandwagon.

[01:05:47] Carl Lanore: [01:05:47] No, I agree. I agree. A hundred percent. So, um, Is there a list of probiotics that you recommend to turn back the clock of the [01:06:00] This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. website?

[01:06:02] Keith Bell: [01:06:02] Well, I mentioned, uh, we have kefir, uh, that we've been producing for a few months. Let me show you, uh,

[01:06:09] Carl Lanore: [01:06:09] you know, I'm interested in that because I have access to raw milk, so I could use raw milk to make that

[01:06:16] Keith Bell: [01:06:16] you can use raw milk. Um, To make a kefir. That's what, this is a kefir grain. And it's probably the closest thing to poop in the probiotic world because it's, it's got a very broad range of microbes.

[01:06:29] We're going to be testing our fear, um, with, um, stool test kits, microbial DNA stool, test kits. That will basically, um, give us the inventory of microbes that are present and it's a broad range, even occluding protective back shorties, but especially I'm into, um, determining the lactobacillus content, especially when it's for me, entered for 48 hours and becomes lactobacillus dominant.

[01:06:58] I'll stop that.

[01:06:59] Carl Lanore: [01:06:59] So if I, if [01:07:00] I take the, if I take the key for grains or the kefir grains, and you put them in milk and in my case, raw milk, and you put it in a closet, right. Or you put it in a dark cool place. You leave it for what? A day or two?

[01:07:13] Keith Bell: [01:07:13] Yeah, 48 hours. According to some anecdotal evidence is when it will become a lactobacillus dominant.

[01:07:20] And that's a key thing because lactobacillus have the ability to raise. Oxytocin receptors in the brain. Wow. Um, so, so oxytocin is not just about, you know, the love hormone. It's also about our immune response.

[01:07:34] Carl Lanore: [01:07:34] Oh, there's, there's a lot of oxytocin does a lot of things that are really beneficial to the body.

[01:07:39] Keith Bell: [01:07:39] Exactly, exactly. Where I learned about it. The more I I'm amazed by it. So. You know, that's why I put a lot of stock. And so the reason

[01:07:47] Carl Lanore: [01:07:47] I've never used a kefir grains is because once you start, you can't stop or can you, can you put them in suspended? Animate? Let's say I don't feel like making any key for this week.

[01:07:59] Keith Bell: [01:07:59] Yes, [01:08:00] you can do it for, you can put it in the fridge for a couple of weeks. Oh, yeah. And then it'll, it'll reactivate when you bring it out of the fridge. Okay. Alright. Any longer you might end up damaging the grains are grains have been developed in France by an organization that they're integrating grains from around the world.

[01:08:18] And also, um, well-researched strains of lactobacillus active yeast, um, and other probiotics. So they're pretty unique, but there are a lot of probiotics that can be helpful. I like. Um, I used a couple brands myself along with . Um, I, I was raised the same. So

[01:08:39] Carl Lanore: [01:08:39] when you say fear and I, I was like, should I call a Kiefer or should I just try?

[01:08:45] Keith Bell: [01:08:45] I know outside of Chicago is the Lifeway company where, um, they're melting me the biggest seller of kefir. They use probiotic powder. Starter. It's not the traditional kefir, so it's not the same animal. Um, [01:09:00] but I grew up saying Kiefer,

[01:09:02] Carl Lanore: [01:09:02] that's how I've made it. I've taken raw milk. I've taken lactobacillus acidophilus and bifidobacteria capsules and just open them up and put them in there and put it in the cupboard.

[01:09:14] And in two days it's nice and thick and drink.

[01:09:17] Keith Bell: [01:09:17] Yeah, I've done that too. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. No fear. Uh, it's probably better to use a ultra pasteurized milk in the beginning until you have enough grains because in raw milk, there are competing microbes and it may not. Um, it may not take, uh, very, very quickly.

[01:09:35] So starting with, I like to use grass fed ultra pasteurized milk, a whole it's gotta be whole milk. Right? Those fats are important to be able to get through gastric acid and colonize the gut, but there are a lot of probiotics out there. Um, There's a, you know, I don't know if you want me to name them, but they're

[01:09:54] Carl Lanore: [01:09:54] yeah, no, go, go through, just run through them.

[01:09:56] Yeah.

[01:09:57] Keith Bell: [01:09:57] I even more powerful is to ferment your own [01:10:00] vegetables too. You make sauerkraut and make a, you know, that you make it, um, naturally high in lactobacillus plantarum you can buy all plant term.

[01:10:11] Carl Lanore: [01:10:11] Arum has been implicated in reversing autism symptoms and in young children.

[01:10:16] Keith Bell: [01:10:16] Yeah. And also, um, One of the most powerful probiotic research papers I've ever seen was 2012 when they demonstrated L plantarum, uh, cut the risk of sepsis in Indian children.

[01:10:32] And the reason that they chose El Pantera was because of a 2008 paper that showed it colonized the gut of infants. You know, you know, probiotics are not necessarily transient helpers. As you know, people, you know, may believe there's a chance of colonization too. Uh, so, you know, and, and, and they do shift flora by a number of mechanisms.

[01:10:56] So I think they're worth trying, it took me a while, Carl, [01:11:00] to get over the hump, to use probiotics personally and not be afraid of them. Um, you know, because I had this mentality that you had to kill your way to good health, right. To 10 years ago. So I can understand. You know why people would be reluctant to swallow a probiotic capsule, but, you know, finally I turned the corner and realized you can't kill your way to good health.

[01:11:23] Carl Lanore: [01:11:23] Yeah, no, I agree. Um, I want to take our last commercial break and when we come back, I want to tell people how they can get the key for, I want to just go over a couple of things to make sure everybody has everything that they need to get in touch with you. Uh, and also talk about some of the testing that you offer people This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it..

[01:11:39] Stay tuned. We'll record. This is the superhuman channel

[01:11:48] so the place to go is the gut club.org. What kind of tests can people get there?

[01:11:54] Keith Bell: [01:11:54] Okay. Well, as part of, um, the gut club stool test discussion group on Facebook, [01:12:00] we've got 6,000 people posting charts and helping to interpret those charts. Most doctors, uh, are still learning about how to interpret, uh, a stool test chart.

[01:12:10] And so am I, but I think we can pretty safely say that. No. What constitutes a healthy balance? You know, um, people, people who say that the charts, you know, th that the microbial DNA DNA stool testing that we're doing is just not ready for prime time are just not following the literature because we know what's.

[01:12:36] If we, if we see overgrown pathogenic bacteria combined with reduced protective bacteria, that's known as gut dysbiosis. So we're promoting a couple of different tests. I'm in the gut club and we offer some discount codes for them. They cost about a a hundred dollars each or, or less depending on the sale price.

[01:12:56] So it's not, it's not good break the bank. Um, thrive I've [01:13:00] is one company that we promote also biome sites. They both do a very good job doing, providing a broad view, you know, detecting several hundred. Types of microbes types of focusing on bacteria. Um, so, you know, there are other tests that can be, uh, that can give markers for yeast, for instance, like an organic acid urine test, but we're focusing more so on the stool testing and these tests.

[01:13:31] Let me give you a one more screenshot in there. Actually, couple more screens I want to share after that. Um, but. Here, here are the basic, uh, phylums in, uh, in our, what we're looking at is for Mickey D's and back sororities. Um, and then it's broken down into different know smaller, you [01:14:00] know, we, it goes from the very large view of what the microbiome is looking like, which is this for Mickey's and back Shorty's right down to.

[01:14:09] The actual species. So infirmities, those are largely the gram positive bacteria. And the test can tell us which type of Firmicute is, are predominant. And by the end and the percentage, for instance, we'll see butyrate producers there. Uh, one of them, one of the main ones is, is, uh, F presidency. I. Um, so if we see reduced for Mickey's and raised backs, righties on a stool test that could spell trouble.

[01:14:41] Carl Lanore: [01:14:41] I want to, I want it to, I want to tell you something funny. We talked about something about six or seven years ago. I had a guest on the show who showed, and I mispronounced these who showed that a shift in Firmicutes to bacteria. DDS. [01:15:00] Bye. By geographical location and the father, the closer you get to the equator, you see higher degree of bacteria, DDS, and low degree of Firmicutes.

[01:15:12] And the further away you get from the equator, you see this shift change to a higher degree of Firmicutes and a lower degree of bacteria duties.

[01:15:21] Keith Bell: [01:15:21] Oh, I don't remember.

[01:15:22] Carl Lanore: [01:15:22] Maybe it would make, it may have been the other way around. I just know that closer to the equator, the. Signature of the gut lean towards leanness, uh, because, because the way these, these two work and correct me, if I'm wrong, one of them causes a greater assimilation of nutrients, but a lower energy.

[01:15:48] Um, Output. So you're going to get fat you're, you're absorbing more and you're, and you're not good at making energy. The other one is, is not as good as extracting every morsel of [01:16:00] nutrients and nutrients that you put in your stomach. And, and, and, and it's shifted more towards a lot more energy output. So you gotta be leaner, right?

[01:16:08] Keith Bell: [01:16:08] Yeah. In fact, the back shorties are associated with leanness.

[01:16:12] Carl Lanore: [01:16:12] Okay. So I had it the other way around. I had it backwards. I had it backwards. The one with the one was associated with lean. This was found. The closer you got to the equator. And the one that was associated with obesity was found the further you went from the equator.

[01:16:25] Keith Bell: [01:16:25] Yeah. That's fascinating. I'm going to have to look into that. Um, the, you know, you know, obesity, there's some con conflict in the literature, but in general, it's thought that the Firmicute is, are, are predominance, um, to a large extent, you know, outside of these two phylums they're there. Yeah, there's proteobacteria to look at as well.

[01:16:48] And also the actino bacteria. That's that's the, um, that's the bifidobacteria, that's another, another group to be concerned with, uh, lactobacillus falls into for Mickey's. [01:17:00] Um, you know, as far as racial differences, there is some research that needs to be replicated and, and with a much higher, uh, group of people, but.

[01:17:13] Know, Africans were found to be much higher in righties than Caucasians that's gram negative bacteria associated with leanness. Maybe this underlying beauty of diversity explains why, you know, African-Americans, uh, predominates in, in, uh, athletics, you know, and, and, you know, they have a, uh, a body type that's driven by that, that microbial.

[01:17:39] Balance, you know, and, and you know, there, there are a lot of skeletal muscles studies also correlated with microbes. So the, where it becomes a difficult situation is for some people, they may have high levels of this gram negative bacteria. I'm going to end the [01:18:00] screen share. They, they may have higher levels of gram negative bacteria.

[01:18:05] And while at the same time missing the protective bacteria, like having reduced or absent lactobacillus or bifidobacteria, and that can possibly explain these huge health disparities that we're seeing, not just with COVID-19, but also in things like SIDS sudden infant death rate is like two to one, um, black to white.

[01:18:31] Carl Lanore: [01:18:31] And it usually happens shortly after they gave you that the kid, that multiple vaccine, the MMR, whatever they give you, that it's got like four or five vaccines in it that they've linked that to a suppression and a serotonin that makes the baby turn when they stopped breathing. And they just, they just guess out.

[01:18:51] Yeah. And that, Oh, all these children die of SIDS after they've been given that, that vaccine shortly thereafter, within a month.

[01:18:58] Keith Bell: [01:18:58] You know, that that's [01:19:00] serotonergic system in, in, in my hypothesis is it's impacting the glutamatergic system. Right. Which is excitatory. And that is what's impacting the cardiac vape bagel neurons.

[01:19:14] So you have the gut basically shutting off the hearts by way of, right. Right. That's a scary, scary

[01:19:22] Carl Lanore: [01:19:22] concept. So, so from an evolutionary perspective,

[01:19:27] Keith Bell: [01:19:27] Oops. I can't hear you, Carl.

[01:19:28] Carl Lanore: [01:19:28] I'm sorry. Can you hear me now? No, hold on. Hold on. Let me show you something. How about now? Am I back

[01:19:38] Keith Bell: [01:19:38] only a little bit. Something happened to your mic?

[01:19:40] Maybe?

[01:19:40] Carl Lanore: [01:19:40] Uh, I don't know.

[01:19:42] Keith Bell: [01:19:42] Oh. Oh, your mic was off.

[01:19:44] Carl Lanore: [01:19:44] No, I turned it off and turned it back on to see if I can get it to revive. Is it working?

[01:19:47] Keith Bell: [01:19:47] Okay? Yeah, you're back now. Okay. So

[01:19:51] Carl Lanore: [01:19:51] from an evolutionary perspective, Who would have benefited from having w w which one of them is more conservative though? The [01:20:00] one associated with leanness is firmer.

[01:20:04] Keith Bell: [01:20:04] No back sororities.

[01:20:05] Carl Lanore: [01:20:05] Okay. So who, so who would have benefited from back to tardies? So

[01:20:11] Keith Bell: [01:20:11] it would have been, Mike went off again, Carl,

[01:20:14] Carl Lanore: [01:20:14] really? Test, test, test, test, test, test, test. Yeah, you're right. Yes.

[01:20:20] Keith Bell: [01:20:20] It works again. When you get closer to it,

[01:20:22] Carl Lanore: [01:20:22] test, test.

[01:20:24] Keith Bell: [01:20:24] There you go.

[01:20:25] Carl Lanore: [01:20:25] Yeah. I don't know what's going on. Let me see something here.

[01:20:28] Keith Bell: [01:20:28] I think we're talking about something. That's two, uh, two risks, a Carl and your mind and we're being shut down. Yeah.

[01:20:33] Carl Lanore: [01:20:33] And somebody tried to shut me down so you can hear me okay. Now. Right. Perfect. Okay. So the one that's associated with scavenging, more nutrition from the food you eat would have from an evolutionary perspective, been beneficial too.

[01:20:49] People who had a hard time finding food, right? Because it's going to, it's going to deliver more, but at the same time, it's going to reduce energy [01:21:00] output so they can conserve.

[01:21:02] Keith Bell: [01:21:02] Well, the backs roadies are also consumers of a wide range of foods. And a lot of people are low in them. In fact, my personal microbiome, you know, is a little bit too low for my, for my taste.

[01:21:16] Yeah. And I'm trying to raise them by eating a lot of greens. I'm a big believer in greens, especially a rugala. If you can eat a high dose vegetable diet, like even a modified wall's protocol and go with high doses of greens. Um, there's reason to believe that raising righties could be the mechanism of success

[01:21:37] Carl Lanore: [01:21:37] as long as they're organic.

[01:21:40] Keith Bell: [01:21:40] Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. If you can eat a box of organic baby, a rugala a day. That's that's, that's a nice thing. Really? Sure. Well, that's my concern.

[01:21:50] Carl Lanore: [01:21:50] Okay. So, but, but you eat meat too, right?

[01:21:53] Keith Bell: [01:21:53] Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, meat is important. Of course. And it's known to raise back sororities, but also a [01:22:00] carnivore diet can be a good thing for a short period of time.

[01:22:03] Not necessarily long term, but it'll raise lactobacillus.

[01:22:06] Carl Lanore: [01:22:06] Yeah. Yeah, I see that. That's what I, I say these, uh, these elimination diets are good for a short period of time, but they're not good for long term. They're they're never good for long

[01:22:16] Keith Bell: [01:22:16] term. I've done carnival for a week at a time, a few times, a few times, at least.

[01:22:20] Carl Lanore: [01:22:20] Right? It's fun. It's fun. I love steaks. I could, I could eat steak for every single meal. Anyway, the website is the gut club.org. The Facebook page is the gut club. You can go there and reach out to Keith Bell. Get tested. See where your gut is. Good. You're gonna say,

[01:22:41] Keith Bell: [01:22:41] I want to share one more screen and talk.

[01:22:43] Yeah, sure, sure. Absolutely. One thing. Um, because we're talking about COVID-19 um, with men, this is a really interesting thing related to the gut. Uh, you know, people are talking about masks and whether or not they're a good thing. I've seen pictures, [01:23:00] pictures that you've posted. On Facebook, Carl, where you're wearing a mask and my hats off because I wear masks too.

[01:23:06] I'm not saying don't wear a mask. Um, because the problem is the people are saying the masks are ineffective. This demonstration is with bacteria. And obviously the mask is trapping bacteria, but people are saying that the mask cannot trap viruses, but here's where they're not. Taking bacteria binding viruses into, into account.

[01:23:35] Um, you know, certain bacteria are known to cause viral replication because the virus is binding with the sugar, the lipopolysaccharides, uh, which is the cell wall of gram negative bacteria. So it, in that without mask, you know, section where you see the bacteria growing, you can bet there are viruses attached to that back to that bacteria.

[01:23:59] One [01:24:00] study showed that polio replication was increased 500% when it was exposed to a certain bacteria. In this case, it was a, it was the peptidoglycan of the gram positive bacteria. So it's both LPs and the peptidoglycan in, um, your LPs in gram negative and peptidoglycan in. In gram positive bacteria that, that the virus binds to.

[01:24:30] So this is my hypothesis as to why masks are, are indeed effective because they're, they're trapping bacteria, which binds viruses. That's it.

[01:24:42] Carl Lanore: [01:24:42] So are you saying that it's trapping the viruses that are already attached to a bacteria? Or are you saying that the fact that. They're they're trapping bacteria, bacteria become part of the medium.

[01:24:54] And then when the virus hits it, it gets caught by the bacteria.

[01:24:58] Keith Bell: [01:24:58] They're already attached [01:25:00] to the bacteria. Interesting. Interesting. Okay.

[01:25:05] Carl Lanore: [01:25:05] I wear a mask when I'm required to, I ride a motorcycle. So I'm a, I'm actually a socially distanced even when I'm driving. Um, but yeah, I mean, I wear it. I don't, I I'm confused about it.

[01:25:19] I have people telling me that you only have to wear it. If you think you're sick and you're going to convey it to someone else, I've heard authorities on TV saying it doesn't protect you from getting the virus. It only protects others from getting it from you. But then I hear the OB. Then I have people say, Oh no, it protects you from getting the

[01:25:40] Keith Bell: [01:25:40] right.

[01:25:41] There was a, there was a, some hearsay about people in a Starbucks in Korea. Where the people wearing the mask did not get infected. They were the workers, uh, you know, the employees of the Starbucks, whereas everyone else not wearing the mask were infected. But you know, I like the idea of [01:26:00] protecting others too.

[01:26:01] That's important, but I don't want to wear a mask the rest of my life. Um, and, and I don't think vaccines are, are going to solve the problem either. The only thing we needed to do I view is focused on nutrition and sanitation. And instead of spending so much effort on vaccines, you know, you look at the Gates foundation budget, it's less than 2% sanitation and it's got, you know, of course some focus on nutrition, but nowhere near the amount that's, you know, being spent accessing.

[01:26:31] Carl Lanore: [01:26:31] So I want to mention something is this is good. I will get this work then to the discussion. There's an article in, I think, scientific America. There's two mathematicians. Who have looked at New York as a case study,

[01:26:48] Keith Bell: [01:26:48] and

[01:26:48] Carl Lanore: [01:26:48] they feel that New York has already reached herd immunity. And here's why, Mmm. The number is 22%, I think.

[01:26:57] Is that, is that, is that right? Is it 22% of the population [01:27:00] in order to reach her?

[01:27:01] Keith Bell: [01:27:01] Okay.

[01:27:03] Carl Lanore: [01:27:03] And, and, you know, and of course they're saying in New York, it's not a 22% yet, but the doctor that the, the, uh, mathematicians said. You have a lot of people who are asymptomatic, who've never been tested and especially young young people.

[01:27:19] And so when you factor those in, they are at herd immunity and Fowchee, Fowchee did decline that when, um, my Senator Rand, Paul questioned them about that. He said, uh, they're not at herd immunity yet, but meanwhile, The cases are dropping so dramatically. And so well, we're going to figure out here very shortly, probably within the next couple.

[01:27:43] Well months is if all of a sudden new cases stop before the virus, before the vaccine, then we will realize that New York has reached herd immunity. And that's that put, gives a lot of hope to the rest of the country too. When we start to factor into people. Who have gotten the [01:28:00] virus that we didn't know who got it because the asymptomatic or, you know, and they've developed immunity to it already.

[01:28:05] So that's fascinating to me. What do you think about that?

[01:28:08] Keith Bell: [01:28:08] Well, I, I think, uh, I saw that footage when a Fowchee was basically bullying, ran Paul. Um, and I think it's time that people start bullying, Fowchee and shut down his funding, uh, because in my view, You know, he's not the sweetheart scientist along with his wife, the NIH, NIH, bioethicist, you know, that America thinks he is he's, he's funded this research for over 20 years.

[01:28:33] Um, and as back to the pharmaceutical industry, we need to remove his funding and reimplement the gain of function moratorium as soon as possible and strengthen it. Um, And, and thought you should be exposed as the doctor evil that he just very well may be.

[01:28:50] Carl Lanore: [01:28:50] Wow,

[01:28:50] Keith Bell: [01:28:50] that's strong.

[01:28:52] Carl Lanore: [01:28:52] And I, and I must say you're an extremely fair and balanced person.

[01:28:55] Um, I've watched your posts and you don't really take any [01:29:00] side politically. You just kind of, you look at what the facts are and apply them. So that's pretty strong coming from you.

[01:29:08] Keith Bell: [01:29:08] It really is. It's a tough, it's a tough race, you know, you and I differ on the Trump. Uh, situation, but boy, it's, you know, I, my vote goes largely toward environmental issues and that's, that's why I think Biden might be a better choice.

[01:29:24] Um, but you know, it's, uh, it's not like I would have rather seen, had seen Sanders

[01:29:31] Carl Lanore: [01:29:31] than Biden.

[01:29:33] Keith Bell: [01:29:33] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:29:34] Carl Lanore: [01:29:34] Well, this is a good discussion. I hope people go to your website, the gut club.org, reach out to Keith, get your gut tested, understand where it is so you can take steps to make it better. I'm going to do that.

[01:29:46] I am this week, I'm going to order the, uh, two stool tests that you recommend in the Facebook

[01:29:51] Keith Bell: [01:29:51] group and see what happens. Just do one, let's do one because w w you know, because we, even with one, we can, uh, [01:30:00] know they both. They both are very similar and, uh, we can share data with another platform and even get more information.

[01:30:08] Okay. I look forward to seeing your, your charts. Our we'll do a, we'll do a talk about

[01:30:14] Carl Lanore: [01:30:14] it. Do a follow up show for sure. That sounds great, Keith. Thanks for being here today,

[01:30:19] Keith Bell: [01:30:19] Carlos. My pleasure. You're awesome.

[01:30:21] Carl Lanore: [01:30:21] Thank you. Thank you. And we'll see everybody tomorrow with more supreme-a radio. Thank you for watching and listening today.

[01:30:27] Keith Bell: [01:30:27] Bye everybody. [01:31:00]