[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] hey, Hey, welcome back to another episode of super human radio. Today is September 10th and 2020, and we have our second installment of fathers and sons and today's interview is going to be with Mark Bell. We had a little technical difficulty, but we're rolling now. I just want to give a shout out and pay homage to my title sponsor at legendary foods.

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[00:00:40] Mark. How are you doing okay.

[00:00:43] Mark Bell: [00:00:43] I'm doing great. I'm out here. And, uh, But Degas Bay, California, but there's a, you know, a lot of fires out in California. So the air quality, uh, just absolutely sucks. But other than that, I'm, I'm doing great.

[00:00:56] Carl Lanore: [00:00:56] Didn't you just buy like a cabin or something like that?

[00:00:59] Mark Bell: [00:00:59] I [00:01:00] did, yeah.

[00:01:00] That's in a, in South Lake Tahoe and, um, yeah, my wife and I we've been fortunate enough to have our, uh, You know, businesses do well enough to where we're able to have a multiple spots. And so actually what I'll do is probably in the next couple of days, I'll probably go to taco because the air quality there is pretty clean.

[00:01:18] And, uh, it's not as, uh, not as shitty as Sacramento and bodega.

[00:01:22] Carl Lanore: [00:01:22] Yeah. Very, very tough. I know that the tragic tragedy what's going on.

[00:01:27] Mark Bell: [00:01:27] Yeah. Brutal.

[00:01:30] Carl Lanore: [00:01:30] I want them to have you on the show today for the second installment of this season of, uh, uh, fathers and sons. Uh, you have a son that you're raising, uh, you are a person who casts are pretty big.

[00:01:44] Mmm. I want to know about parenting with you. Okay. So we're going to start off. I have a list of questions. We're just going to follow the script as we can. Okay.

[00:01:53] Mark Bell: [00:01:53] Right. Okay. That's

[00:01:54] Carl Lanore: [00:01:54] good. So who had the biggest influence on you as a young boy?

[00:02:01] [00:02:00] Mark Bell: [00:02:01] I'd say my dad, you know, my, my dad and my grandfather. And then I would say at that, so. Continuing onward, uh, for my son, because my son has a really, really good relationship with his, uh, with my dad, with his grandpa. And then my son and I are close as well. So, um, you know, I think I've heard people kind of say, you know, it takes a, it takes a village.

[00:02:25] You know how to rate, to raise a child. And, um, I'm kind of, of that belief, but, uh, I don't want it to be any old village. I want it to be our village that raised our children just cause, you know, the ideas and principles are just gonna be so different and you don't want to, uh, not that they're right or wrong, they're just different.

[00:02:43] And you don't want them to be conflicted, you know, and have too much conflicting information. What you're going to just end up with a lot of that anyway. So, uh, we're. A pretty tight knit family and there's, uh, probably, you know, there's this, there's four of us in our household, my wife, [00:03:00] Andy, and my daughter Quinn.

[00:03:01] And then we have Jake. Um, but we also have, uh, some in-laws and they're around all the time. So there's really more like, and my dad is around all the time, sometimes my brother's around. So we've got 10, 11, 12 people around all the time for my children to, uh, absorb stuff from.

[00:03:19] Carl Lanore: [00:03:19] So you, you really have a traditional.

[00:03:21] Um, a traditional family unit that we, a lot of us are familiar with. You're from the East coast. You're from Poughkeepsie originally, right?

[00:03:29] Mark Bell: [00:03:29] That's right. Yep.

[00:03:30] Carl Lanore: [00:03:30] Yeah. So that's, that's the East coast style, right? So the grandmother and the grandfather involved with your family and everybody's kind of in together and you just moved it all out.

[00:03:39] The California basin.

[00:03:42] Mark Bell: [00:03:42] Yeah, that's right. And then I grew up with like, kind of maybe double or even triple the amount of, uh, family members around. Cause both of my parents. Uh, growing up Catholic and Italian, uh, they had met, you know, both sides, had many, many children, uh, nine kids on each side. So, [00:04:00] um, I got a lot of uncles, a lot of aunts, and they all had their own children as well.

[00:04:05] Carl Lanore: [00:04:05] So when you look at parenting being a father, Um, did you start to pick up pieces from other people and say, I'm going to do that when I have a son who influenced you the most with what you see yourself as a father?

[00:04:22] Mark Bell: [00:04:22] I think it was just kind of the setup that we had when we, whenever we go to my grandfather's house, it was a, a lot of, uh, like trial by fire, you know, just, just letting kids be kids and letting them learn the way that they need to learn.

[00:04:38] Um, I don't remember. I mean, I know the adults would play with us and stuff a lot, and they would help us organize games and things of that nature. But I don't really remember an adult saying, Hey, you know, here's how you, here's how you pitch a baseball or here's how you, uh, you know, throw a football because.

[00:04:55] They just left it up to us to kind of figure it out and we would just play and throw the ball back and [00:05:00] forth. And then of course you would, uh, you know, get made fun of a lot, uh, if, if you didn't do it the right way, you know, if you threw the ball, you know, awkwardly or anything like that, you'd get teased and made fun of, and then you would just, you would start to learn.

[00:05:13] Um, but my dad was the biggest, you know, and still to this day is the biggest influence, um, on me and, um, But I guess also, you know, just seeing my grandfather, like what he was able to do. My grandfather, um, was an entrepreneur. He, uh, worked on airplanes. He, uh, worked on the railroad. He, um, had his own, uh, car lot where he fixed up used cars and boats and, uh, he'd resell them.

[00:05:44] And it was really weird because, um, I didn't really realize it till I was older. But this idea of like, um, you know, trying to get work out of the products that I have and the Slingshot and different things like that. I didn't realize so much of [00:06:00] that came from my grandfather and my dad, because all growing up, my grandfather had, he had, tee-shirts made, you know, in like the sixties stuff, seventies that said shell bell auto on his name is Sheldon.

[00:06:12] And, uh, he also had, you know, um, like signage out front. He had a hat that had it on there would give people a free hat when they came in and got their car worked on and just to get the word out there, you know, and then my dad ended up doing the same thing. My dad worked for IBM for many years. And when he was released from IBM, when they went through a lot of downsizing, um, he started his own real estate, uh, company and, uh, income tax business.

[00:06:39] And then, so. My dad's license plate. When I was a kid, it said, buy a house on it.

[00:06:44] Carl Lanore: [00:06:44] That's cool.

[00:06:45] Mark Bell: [00:06:45] And that must've sank in because I got five of them now.

[00:06:51] Carl Lanore: [00:06:51] No, but it was, they were good at merchandising. Both your grandfather and your father were very good at merchandising.

[00:06:56] Mark Bell: [00:06:56] Yeah. Just good at getting the word of mouth out.

[00:06:58] And they were the kind of people that, [00:07:00] um, they're, they're both the kind of people that when someone brings up their name, People get excited. They're like, Oh yeah, I know that guy. Yeah. I get my taxes done from him as well. Or yeah. I bought a car from him, you know, that, that kind of stuff. So yeah, I learned a lot of just, you know, life, life can be pretty simple.

[00:07:18] You just need to be, you just need to be good to people and, uh, people will reciprocate it back to you more often than you might think

[00:07:25] Carl Lanore: [00:07:25] you have a really, really good sense of humor. Like you, you and I are the same. There is no such thing as a bad joke. You know how people like, Oh, that's not funny. Oh yeah, it is.

[00:07:39] Where did you get your sense of humor from?

[00:07:42] Mark Bell: [00:07:42] Mmm. I think so that I think that's from my, you know, having two grown up with two older brothers, you know, I think, you know, you, you grew up much, much tougher and rougher than I did due to the particular environment that you grew up in. But I would say in terms of getting like grilled and made fun [00:08:00] of, I got grilled and made fun of probably just as much as anybody else.

[00:08:03] So you just, you learn, you learn to have, you bet. You didn't have to really fight in my neighborhood. It wasn't, it wasn't violent like that. It wasn't. Like the survival type of thing, but you did have to have thick skin or, or you're going to have some rough days ahead of you.

[00:08:20] Carl Lanore: [00:08:20] Do you have any non-negotiable rules when it comes to that?

[00:08:23] Jake, when you look at parents, are there things like, look, I'm going to pick my fights with you, but these things here.

[00:08:31] Mark Bell: [00:08:31] Yeah. So w w sometimes, you know, what could happen is a. You know, kids, a kid it's a lot of times they're going to choose, you know, the more pleasurable things, the things that they enjoy the most, they're going to want to play video games a little bit more.

[00:08:46] They're going to want to do certain things, uh, maybe more than you would like them to do. And so when it comes to that kind of stuff, I just, um, I just, I just try to make sure, like he does. The work that [00:09:00] he's should be doing, you know, he's got some schoolwork to do. Um, Hey, did you take a shower? Did you like go outside today?

[00:09:07] You know, like those are kind of the non negotiable. So if I see him sitting there just playing his game all day, I don't mind if he plays his game til his heart's content. You know, I really don't, it doesn't bother me very much. Um, but I want to see that he's like participated in the family. I want to see that he's done some stuff for the day.

[00:09:24] So I'm pretty, um, lenient because I'm not a huge fan of like forcing people to really do anything at the same time. That's kind of your job as a parent and it can be tiring. It can be exhausting at times. And so that's something that I need to be, uh, you know, conscious of like, Hey. You know, you kind of have to kick them in the ass a little bit here.

[00:09:48] Carl Lanore: [00:09:48] Yeah, no, absolutely. Um, are you introducing Jake to physical culture or is he taking it? Is he having an interest in lifting or any running? Anything?

[00:09:59] Mark Bell: [00:09:59] He has. [00:10:00] He, he, so he wants to be the opposite of me at the moment, I believe. Yeah. No, I think that that's kind of his goal. And that was my goal when I was his age too, is be the opposite of my dad.

[00:10:10] Cause I saw my dad in a suit and tie every day and I was like, whatever that's about, I don't want anything we'll do with that. And uh, so I think he's, you know, he, and you mentioned earlier, you know, cast a big shadow though, you know? Um, and I think he recognizes that and I think he wants to try to find.

[00:10:28] Uh, some of his own stuff and he's actually, he's really intellectual. And if I bring up like working out or something, he's like, you know, I'm going to get into that when I'm older, you know, like, like he says it like as if it's just like fat, you know, and I'm like, he's probably right. He's only 16. So, you know, um, so I try not to really with, with both of my children, um, I try not to really, you know, force them into.

[00:10:55] Doing a lot of shit that they don't want to do. I would love to have happen is [00:11:00] for, to encourage it, to show them that this is how I do things. And then hopefully they kind of come to some of these realizations on their own.

[00:11:08] Carl Lanore: [00:11:08] Do you feel that if there any really important qualities that a boy should learn and develop,

[00:11:17] Mark Bell: [00:11:17] you know, I think, I think a boy.

[00:11:21] Uh, the only way for a boy to kind of learn how to be a man is to be right men. Yeah. And I think, uh, you know, in our culture today, and I love the fact that clear you got the show going, because I think it's important. A lot of people don't have that. They don't have a kind of father figure to look up to.

[00:11:38] They don't have. Um, they don't have a dad in their life. You know, my wife and I, we're really fortunate in the fact that we get to spend a lot of time with our children. Um, maybe even you could argue too much time because I think it's good for the dad to not be there sometimes. So the kid has to make a decision on, you know, is this a good move or not type of thing?

[00:11:59] I think [00:12:00] you need to learn some stuff on your own as well, but yeah. Um, yeah, I think the, yeah, only way to learn how to be a man is from. Being around men and kind of seeing how they act, how did, how do you know, how, how do you, you know, how do I treat my wife? You know, um, how do I treat, you know, going to work?

[00:12:18] How do I treat the things that I like or care about or the things that I, uh, you know, claim that I like or care about? How am I treating those things and what am I doing, uh, when it comes to those things, when things happen in this household, you know, I I've always been. Well, maybe not always, but I've tried.

[00:12:35] I've tried to always be as reasonable as I can. And once there's like a lot of yelling and screaming going on, which doesn't happen as much cause they're older, but, uh, I would sit them down. I'd sit Jake down and I would say. Hey, you know, you got my attention, uh, you know, what do you need? He would be like, huh?

[00:12:54] You know? And I'd say, well, you know, you're acting up and you're beating the crap out of your sister and like, you [00:13:00] know, whatever the heck was going on. And I can say, Hey, this, this house isn't really for that. No, I know you, you might think that you might on TV or you might see in other households and stuff, but I'm like this household doesn't need to be this way.

[00:13:14] This can be whatever way we want to make it. You know, this could be fun. This could be a place where, uh, we're, we're pretty damn happy most of the time. And yet we're going to argue and fight those things are gonna happen. But. You know, just let me know what the issue is, let me know what the problem is.

[00:13:28] And let's just figure out a way to resolve it. Cause if I get pissed off and punch a hole in the wall, all we have is a hole in the wall and my hand will hurt.

[00:13:37] Carl Lanore: [00:13:37] Let's try to

[00:13:38] Mark Bell: [00:13:38] figure out a better solution, you know?

[00:13:39] Carl Lanore: [00:13:39] Right. Yeah, absolutely. So now that you speak, you mentioned, you know, Getting angry. And do you, do you talk to your son about aggression?

[00:13:49] Do you ever have to have that conversation with him? Like it's okay to be aggressive in these situations, but the situation.

[00:13:57] Mark Bell: [00:13:57] Yeah. So I do, I have talked to him, uh, several [00:14:00] times about stuff like that, you know, in a case of like, you know, maybe defending yourself, you know, there's obviously, you're, you're going to want to kind of stand up for yourself and things that you believe in, you could be a little bit more aggressive towards, um, But, you know, I, I, I'd rather try to work stuff out with my head more so than with like my fists.

[00:14:22] So, you know, aggression. Yes. But violence. No, you know? Um, I, I think, yeah, yeah.

[00:14:29] Carl Lanore: [00:14:29] I liked that. I like that differentiation aggression yesterday.

[00:14:34] Mark Bell: [00:14:34] Yeah. I think sometimes when we think aggression or thinking like. I'm going to go punch somebody in the head. And, uh, you know, when I, when I was a lift in some of my biggest weights, you know, we would always talk about attacking the weight with aggression.

[00:14:47] But then we also learned that if we tried to attack the wave and like violence, the weight just didn't care and it didn't work very well, attacking it with aggression has given it a little extra oomph, giving it a little extra, you [00:15:00] know, if I was spotting you on a deadlift or survives watching you do a dead lift.

[00:15:04] I can say, Carl, you can pull that a little bit more explosively, come on, get, you know, get pissed off. And he would, you would understand what I meant and you could lift it more aggressively, but if you act like too much of a maniac, uh, you're probably gonna, probably just gonna, uh, hurt yourself. So, yeah, I've talked to, um, if I, you know, w if, if one of the kids like slams the door or send thing, or.

[00:15:26] Um, which Jake is, Jake is like, um, he's very similar to me. He's pretty calm. And I think that, um, like any time that he has slammed a door or thrown something, or, you know, I'll say, Hey, like, you know, what's this about, you know, like w like, Did did that, did that help anything, you know, is that, is that an effective way to, to handle something?

[00:15:51] And so I'd rather teach them like, Hey, let's, let's figure out a way to add some reason and some logic into the picture, because I don't think just being [00:16:00] aggressive alone. Uh, will really solve much of anything. Sometimes it can help you finish something off or, or, or do something that you've been wanting to do.

[00:16:09] So in that sense, it can be really useful, but I really like to, um, just try to think, and especially in terms of emotions, you know, how can they assist, how can they insist in our, you know, assist in our day to day? Um, I think a lot of times they really just get in the way. Sometimes it can help. You know, if, if you see that I'm happy, cause you told the joke, well then you're going to pour on more jokes.

[00:16:33] You know, if you saw that something offended me and you kind of saw my reaction to it, you'd be like, Oh shit. Like I kind of went, I went, I went a little too hard, even on Mark there, you know? So I think I really try to teach my children. Like, you know, everything is not everything, but most things are what you make of them.

[00:16:51] And don't feel like your friends can make you do anything or make you feel any certain way. You get to [00:17:00] control that you get a certain hint, you get a certain input coming to you and the input that comes into you, it doesn't have to be the output that comes back out. And I think that that's something that we kind of lose sight of, uh, quite often, especially as men.

[00:17:13] Cause I think we get to be real reactionary. Maybe we're not as emotional as. Females sometimes, but we were going to like, try to react because it's like our quote unquote job to like take care of that shit right away.

[00:17:27] Carl Lanore: [00:17:27] There's a, there's a little feedback coming. I think I may have fixed it. Can you still hear it?

[00:17:32] Mark Bell: [00:17:32] Yeah, I can still hear you perfectly. Yeah.

[00:17:33] Carl Lanore: [00:17:33] Can you lower your volume quick? My voice is feeding back into your microphone.

[00:17:39] Mark Bell: [00:17:39] There we

[00:17:39] Carl Lanore: [00:17:39] go. With the audio. You can still hear me. I think we can get that to go away.

[00:17:43] Mark Bell: [00:17:43] Yeah. Yeah. How's that, that sounds good.

[00:17:46] Carl Lanore: [00:17:46] That's better. There was some bad feedback coming. Um, okay.

[00:17:51] So obviously, uh, you're going to disagree with Jake from time to time. Do you give him latitude to disagree with you? Do you sit down with [00:18:00] them and go, okay. We'll explain your, I mean, it sounds like you do from some of the things that you just said, you're not a tyrant.

[00:18:06] Mark Bell: [00:18:06] Yeah. This was the greatest thing about my son that I really am really proud of him for.

[00:18:12] Is that. Um, he does speak his mind a lot. And the one thing that I say to him is like, Hey, just make sure that what you're saying that you, um, because I think as a kid, you might say stuff just to kind of get a reaction. He's very much into like politics and stuff. Jake is really interesting to where he could tell you, like, you can name, you can name to say something really random out of, you know, uh, out of left field and he'll know a ton of it, information about it.

[00:18:43] We call it in this house, we call it Jake news and Jake's got like Jake, all these, all these facts and stuff. I mean, you could say, Hey Jake, what happened at the OK. Corral? And he'll just like, Rattle off, you know, what, what went down and he'll just know it. And so he [00:19:00] knows a lot of like history. He knows a lot of politics.

[00:19:03] And, um, when he says something, you know, for, for a while, it's actually got a funny, he was like 13 or 14. He's like a huge Trump fan.

[00:19:13] Carl Lanore: [00:19:13] Excellent.

[00:19:14] Mark Bell: [00:19:14] Yeah, that's what I said. He and my, he and my dad, they went and they actually saw Donald Trump and Reno and ended up being this huge, uh, It had to be this huge thing because my, we let my dad borrow my car.

[00:19:29] My car was brand new and my car fucking, I grew up on the side of the road, like in the middle of nowhere in Reno. And we were trying, they're stuck on the side of the road, in the middle of the night because they were trying to get out there sometime at night to get a hotel. See Trump in the morning, do a speech.

[00:19:49] This is like three or four years ago. And, uh, So we call a bunch of different places. We're calling like fire departments and, uh, we're calling police [00:20:00] officers and we're calling anybody. Cause I'm like, I want to get my kid the hell off the side of the road. You know, he's, he's there with my dad, but my dad's kind of crazy.

[00:20:06] Like my dad. My dad always, he's always, my dad always says, Oh, it's going to be fine. Everything's going to be fine. Like the kids are going to be fine. Like he doesn't, he doesn't ever view anything as being all that dangerous. And I'm like, are you out of your mind? What are you doing? And, uh, anyway, we weren't able to really get them any like roadside assistance since for a few hours.

[00:20:25] But. Anyway, they went to this, uh, like Trump rally and stuff like that. And Jake was on TV's in the background and he's got a, he's got a red maggot hat on and everything. And now Jake talks about that and he's like, man, I'm so embarrassed. He's like, they have footage of me at that, you know, at that rally, I was like, Oh, you know, you changed parties.

[00:20:45] And he's like, he's like, well, you know, I've been thinking about it and he's, you know, goes to on and on and on. And he just knows a lot of, uh, A lot of information about politics. And he'll tell me the different people that he's listening to, uh, on YouTube, he follows [00:21:00] like Lex Friedman's podcasts and he he's listening to Ben Shapiro and he's listening to like, this is an all

[00:21:06] Carl Lanore: [00:21:06] Ben.

[00:21:07] I think Ben is so intelligent and he is so fast that like, if you see something that's a lie. He, he piles everything up on top of you and you you're baffled, like, what do I say now? Ben is great. Ben Shapiro's yeah,

[00:21:20] Mark Bell: [00:21:20] yeah, yeah. He's really smart. And Sylvia, my son is very like intellectual when it comes to that stuff.

[00:21:25] And when we get talking back and forth, like he might say because of his age, he doesn't really believe the government should like really intervene or interfere with much of anything. And I'm like, That's like, I know a lot of people share that same view. You know, there's probably thousands, if not millions of people that share the same view, but what, where do you draw the line?

[00:21:48] You know, somebody, uh, somebody smashed the window at a public facility, you know, in, in a city, do we just, we just let it go. Can, can they [00:22:00] burn the place down? Like, and then what happens if they get to residential? You know, then, then what do we do? Or if you let someone go, who you thought stole something, you know, w what would happen if the person was to steal a car and run somebody over?

[00:22:14] Like, just so I try to just give him examples of like, Hey, you know, You can think whatever way you want, but there's reasons why these things are complicated, because nobody has a real answer to them. We just have some theories that we think could help mitigate or help with some of these situations. So, yeah, we ended up in a lot of deep conversations.

[00:22:34] My wife actually will get really frustrated with them because he will play devil's advocate even just to play devil's advocate. And he doesn't even care if he believes or not, it'll drive her nuts for me. I liked the conversation back and forth. I like hearing the other side of it. So yeah, he and I are debating stuff all the time.

[00:22:54] He's any opinion,

[00:22:57] Carl Lanore: [00:22:57] are you on the debate team

[00:22:58] Mark Bell: [00:22:58] like this

[00:23:00] [00:22:59] Carl Lanore: [00:22:59] bait? He'll do he'll pick a side and go with it. Like it doesn't matter. That's

[00:23:04] Mark Bell: [00:23:04] fine. A hundred percent. I've tried to encourage him on some stuff like that. I've even. He, and I even talked about him, you know, getting into like politics and he goes, dad, he goes, if I get into politics, he's like, what will that make me?

[00:23:16] And I was like a politician. He's like a hundred percent. He's like, I don't want to be a politician. I was like, well, maybe you could be, you know, like a, like a voice though, when you're older, like maybe you can be like a Ben Shapiro where you're not necessarily a politician, but you stand up for your political beliefs and you share them out with a lot of,

[00:23:33] Carl Lanore: [00:23:33] yeah.

[00:23:33] You're influencing people to make better decisions. I'm with him. Uh, you know, my, my attitude about government, especially when it comes to like nutrition, for instance, is, uh, the government works from the standpoint that we are too stupid to take care of him, ourselves. Like, Oh, we're not here to guide you.

[00:23:53] You'll you'll die. And that that's that kind of government intervention annoys me dramatic [00:24:00] effect. I want you to have a bumper sticker made that says, keep the government out of my pantry. Because I don't want them making food pyramids and food plates and subsidizing crops that I don't want to eat. So, you know, it's he's but he's right.

[00:24:13] I think a lot of us realize

[00:24:15] Mark Bell: [00:24:15] that government

[00:24:17] Carl Lanore: [00:24:17] is the root of the problems we have today. The sprawling ever growing government. The cause you know what it reminds me of Mark. Remember, I'm the guy who made the Vegomatic. What was his name? Ron. Remember Ron Popeil used to spray his head black. So he didn't look ball.

[00:24:35] Do you remember him? So run every, every single thing a woman did in the kitchen, Ron decided, Oh, we need a machine for that. Like, Oh no, don't slice your tomatoes anymore. Use the tomato slicer dos. And it was a different cucumber slice. It. That's what government is. Like every time they identify some little thing, they want to develop a department for it and dedicate funds for it.

[00:24:58] And it's just crazy. It's why we have [00:25:00] the problems that we have today. Well, do you talk to him about what's going on with like the whole, uh, gender, uh, issues with, you know, uh, binary and boys and girls and boys and girls. If you have opinions on that at all.

[00:25:16] Mark Bell: [00:25:16] Um, yeah, we've talked a little bit about, uh, some things like that.

[00:25:21] Um, we we've, we've talked about all kinds of different, uh, things because, you know, it happens at school, like where they change the, you know, w whether it's boys or girls, now, it's kind of a mixed, uh, mixed bathroom and, and things like that. And, um, Uh, you know, so yeah, we we've had some conversations about that, but I don't really have much of an opinion on stuff like that one way or the other, you know, I, um, when it comes to, when it comes to people feeling good about themselves or being at peace with whatever it is that they just, whatever direction they decide to go, uh, in a particular Avenue, [00:26:00] Um, as long as I can't think of some reasons on why it's going to negatively impact a bunch of other people, then I really don't have a huge problem with it.

[00:26:09] You know, it can be annoying sometimes when, when then, then when things are enforced and when things have to be a certain way, you know, that kind of stuff can get to be a little bit annoying. But I think in school, I think he has some people that are, uh, I guess you'd call it gender neutral, um, and things like that at a school.

[00:26:29] And, uh, yeah, so we've, we've talked about it a little bit, but like he's smarter than me about that stuff. Cause he's younger. Right. You know, the older we are, we're like, what's a F you know, like, what is this,

[00:26:40] Carl Lanore: [00:26:40] what's going on?

[00:26:41] Mark Bell: [00:26:41] What happened to people? You know, people didn't use to do this, but people kind of always have done that.

[00:26:47] They just haven't really talked about it a lot. And now you're just kind of seeing more and more of that in there. It could be many, many reasons on why, you know, all that's coming to be, but hard to, it's hard to speculate on why.

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[00:28:20] Carl Lanore: [00:28:20] back. We're talking today with Mark Bell about being a father and raising a boy. It's a very important topic today, you know, w we can, we, we can track back the demise of the family unit and the problems that we have today with young men to the lack of. A role model in the house. And you said it, you said it very eloquently.

[00:28:44] You don't teach them. Oh, it should be a man, a man, a boy watches a man and learns to be a man. And that's why the teacher, additional family unit is so important. Oh, you got a lot of people out there trying to make light of it. And in [00:29:00] fact, you've got stupid things like toxic masculinity and all this other stuff.

[00:29:04] And they're just trying to vilify men today. And this is the biggest mistake we can make as a population to vilify men and men, men are not evil any more than women are all gold diggers. I mean, these are, these are stupid things that we use to compartmentalize people. Very, very dangerous. So, all right, so let's talk about this.

[00:29:28] Um,

[00:29:33] so I think you're kind of seeing this already this question here, right? Boys start to go through puberty. They searched for their own own autonomy. And I became rebellious at a certain age around 16, 17 years old. I actually. Started talking back to my father, huge mistake, because I thought like, I'm a man now, you know what I mean?

[00:29:56] I'm out there in the streets. I'm hanging out with my friends. Like, you know, I'm a [00:30:00] man now. And so, um, yeah, but this is an important Rite of passage for a boy. This is where a boy develops his individual stuff of being a man. Any ideas on how to handle that as a father to make that transition easier for your son.

[00:30:21] Mark Bell: [00:30:21] Yeah, I would say, you know, right now it's a little difficult because my son doesn't have the opportunities that we had, you know, just even a year ago, we just getting around, uh, people that are your own age, you know, it was really important. And remember when you were young, how important it was to get around somebody that was just a little bit older.

[00:30:43] Someone who was 1920, somebody coming back from college type of deal, like. I mean, or when you're a real little kid and, and you're seven, the other kids nine, like you're on cloud nine, hanging out with that guy. Cause he's like the, he's the coolest damn kid in the whole neighborhood. And he's got a [00:31:00] lot more experienced than you and tells you, you know, dirty words and stuff like that shows you a Playboy magazine or whatever it might've been at the time.

[00:31:07] You know? And we don't, I don't think, you know, we don't have that at the moment because of kind of what's what's going on with some of the COVID stuff. Um, so I, I do try to encourage my son to still get around his, his friends. He does hang out with me a lot, hangs out with grandpa a lot. And I think, um, what you're talking about, I consider to be, uh, my target audience.

[00:31:31] You know, when I consider these ages to be like a wasteland, because you just don't know what the hell to do with yourself and the age, I think continues to stretch. Further and further, I think it used to be probably about 18 to about 25 or so. And I think it's like 18 to maybe almost 35 nowadays, uh, because you just, you're not quite sure on what the hell you're going to do with yourself career wise.

[00:31:58] Um, [00:32:00] you got college, you got all these different things. And so that maturation of kind of becoming a man. Isn't really felt sometimes until it's too late. Like some people don't really end up, like they just wake up one day and they're like, Oh shit, I have to be a man. Like, cause I got kids and I need to stop making as many Dick jokes as I do or something.

[00:32:23] Right. You can still keep the jokes in there, but you get, you get my point is that you, you know, you just, all of a sudden. Have this huge weight on your shoulders. And you're like, I don't know if I ever even really thought about this before. I mean, we think we're going to have, we think we want to get married and we think we want to have children, but I don't know how much we actually think about it.

[00:32:45] I think it's a cultural norm. And then you kind of wake up one day and you're like, Holy shit. You know? So I got all these responsibilities. What I try to talk to my son about. Are very simple things. Like from the time I was a kid, I loved [00:33:00] kids. I loved little kids. By the time I was 10, 11, I was hanging out with my cousins that were, you know, three and four and taking care of them.

[00:33:07] And, you know, even when they, even when stone were like infants and stuff, rocking them to sleep for whatever reason, Doug little kids, I always liked babies and stuff like that. Maybe cause of the, um, My upbringing or something like that. And so I'll have discussions with him, like just to, when we have little kids around, like, Hey, you have to, you know, get the picture for these little guys, you know, what are you, what do you think?

[00:33:32] You know, cause not everybody needs to have children. So this is something that you should really think about before you go, you know, pretty good diving into, and obviously we've had talks about sex and stuff like that too, because. I think that's one of the worst things that can have happen is that, you know, he gets somebody pregnant and then due to various circumstances, doesn't have the ability or doesn't have, um, doesn't, doesn't have an opportunity to be in [00:34:00] there kid's life.

[00:34:00] Cause maybe, you know, this girl, you know, lives in Oregon or something and we live in California. You just, you don't know what the circumstances are. So these are all things that you need to really think about and consider. These are huge responsibilities when it comes to, um, kind of assisting him with that maturation process.

[00:34:21] Uh, you know, I I've been sharing with him for a while now that. This is just sort of a natural process that you'll go through and it's just going to take you, it's going to take you time. It's going to take you a while. You'll have to mess up, you know, I can't really tell you about it. You know, I can't, I can't like write a book about it necessarily.

[00:34:40] You're going to have to, uh, come to some of these, uh, conclusions on your own. But I just think that, um, when I think about, you know, how, how a child learns, how to talk. Or how a child learns how to walk. Um, you know, I never showed my son how to walk and I never, I [00:35:00] never taught him how to do you just, you just, you just to learn it, you learn it from hearing it, you learn it from seeing it.

[00:35:07] And hopefully the foundation that I laid down and hopefully the foundation, my dad, my dad is a really spectacular person. I mean, he, um, He almost seems like an angel, you know, like he, he, he, he seems, I know he's got his flaws, but he, he's a really unbelievable person. So to have somebody like that around who just is so happy and just loves life so much is, um, is really a great gift that we have in this family to be able to, for my son to be able to see, and even my daughter.

[00:35:42] And I'd also say that we have some other great family members too, like. There's not a person in the family. That's where you're like, Oh, that's the one person in the family that doesn't really work that hard. You know? Like, it seems like everyone's like busting her ass. Right. Everyone's like everyone's [00:36:00] hustling and it's all, it's all for good reason.

[00:36:03] Like it's all too. We all like to have fun. Um, I got other family members that they'll work, work, work, work, you know, you don't see him for a bit and they'll work that much just to have some time off to, you know, hanging out on vacation, you know, hanging out, you know, during the holidays and to make sure they can be there for some of the more important stuff.

[00:36:23] And so I there's just too many good examples, um, for him to, for him to really screw it up.

[00:36:29] Carl Lanore: [00:36:29] Right. Did you, did you see your father differently once you had children? I remember my mother used to always say to me, when you have kids, you're going to say. Did did, did you always feel this way about your father or once you had children?

[00:36:42] Did you go to yourself? My God, this guy's a Saint. I can't get over it. Like, I can't believe what he actually did.

[00:36:51] Mark Bell: [00:36:51] Yeah. So, I mean, first of all, it's annoying to have your mother be right about everything else outside of a pill. Is that to swallow, right?

[00:36:58] Carl Lanore: [00:36:58] I know. I know.

[00:37:00] [00:37:00] Mark Bell: [00:37:00] You're like, mom, you don't know what you're talking about.

[00:37:01] And

[00:37:03] Carl Lanore: [00:37:03] my mother used to say, my mother used to say, I hope you have somebody. I hope you have a son. Like you, she used to say like a curse.

[00:37:11] Mark Bell: [00:37:11] Yeah, my dad's so all growing up, you know, I idolized, uh, you know, Mike Tyson and Bo Jackson and, uh, all these different athletes that were popular at the time. And I didn't really realize, you know, the greatest hero was, you know, in the same house as me, you know, my dad is like, He was really selfless.

[00:37:32] And when I, when I would, you know, wake up in the morning and see that he was, you know, I'm dressed, ready to go to work. Maybe I was waking up for school or whatever. He was already showered already ready to go or already, you know, three quarters of the way out the door. And, and when I w when I think back to the way that I thought about it, then I used to think like, This, this, uh, this job thing that he has really gets in the way of life, [00:38:00] like what a, what to put a pen, what a pain in the ass, you know, it seems like he can't, um, enjoy himself, but that was the sacrifice that he made, you know, so that we had everything.

[00:38:11] And I didn't even understand any of that. I didn't really, I knew that money didn't grow on a tree. Um, but I also just, I didn't really realize how well off we were. It wasn't like we were. Loaded, but anything that we needed, um, we need shoes for school or, uh, we needed to go to a football camp cause we all loved football or, or we even had weights.

[00:38:34] We had like Olympic weights, you know, in our, in our garage we had a squat rack. Yeah. We had, you know, all these, uh, wonderful things. And so it wasn't until I had my own children that, that started to become a lot more clear to me. And I started to recognize, Oh, like, The suit and tie my dad put on was like, that was his uniform.

[00:38:56] You know, he, that, you know, it was Bo Jackson would put on a Raiders [00:39:00] uniform or a Kansas city Royals uniform. My dad's uniform was suit and tie, you know, and going to work. And my mom actually, um, was a real savior of the family as well because my dad, my mom and dad had this idea that they were going to, you know, buy a small shitty house and then kind of build from there.

[00:39:19] And that, and that's exactly what they did, but as they climb that corporate ladder, my dad fell into the man's trap of this is for my family. This is for my family. This is where I got to go do this. Cause this is for my family. I need to work these extra hours. I need to work these weekends. Cause this is for my family.

[00:39:36] And at a certain point, that line ends up being bullshit. It ends up being a little bit more about you because you got caught up in it. And you're trying to climb that corporate ladder and you're trying to make more money. And it's easy thing to get caught up in. My mom actually slowed him down one day and she said, you're not here anymore.

[00:39:55] She's like marks, you know, 13, 14. And I remember being 13 and 14 and being like, okay, [00:40:00] I've never seen him any more. Like I hate his job. I hate him when you were a

[00:40:03] Carl Lanore: [00:40:03] kid, just

[00:40:05] Mark Bell: [00:40:05] language and it's completely absurd. You know, for me to think now that I ever hated him, because he was always doing stuff for us. And, but, you know, I think that's, that happens to a lot of men is that we say.

[00:40:20] You know, Oh, well, I don't have a choice. I got to do this for my family. And yeah, I would say to a certain extent, but when you really need to do for your family is figure out a way to be around, you know? So if you can somehow figure out some ways of earning some extra income that don't pull you out of the household all the time.

[00:40:39] Uh, whatever way, you know, whatever way you can, you know, whatever way you can figure that out, if you have the ability to figure some of that out. And so, yeah, my mom, you know, kind of slowing him down and saying, Hey, you know, need to be around a little bit more, but he took the message loud and clear, and then he had the, um, He had the ability to say, you know, when he went to work say, Hey, you know, I don't [00:41:00] want any of these upper management positions.

[00:41:02] I'm good where I'm at. I'm going to stay right here and just kind of, uh, you know, grind this out, which is, which is another sacrifice in and of itself.

[00:41:10] Carl Lanore: [00:41:10] Imagine magic. Yeah. He could have gone up the ladder where he earned the right to go and he's like, nah, I'm not going to do it now.

[00:41:18] Mark Bell: [00:41:18] Yeah. So, you know, all growing up, I guess it just didn't realize that that was going to be my ultimate.

[00:41:24] A role model. I mean, yeah. I remember this as a kid too. And this is an important for your audience to try to grasp. I mean, it doesn't matter how faithful a person you are. It doesn't matter how long you've been married, how much you care for somebody. I mean, you still recognize attractive people. They walk by.

[00:41:44] I mean, you know, I'm not like whipping my neck around, like I'm in the Exorcist, but I still notice beautiful women. I remember when, when I was a kid, when I started to become more aware of girls and stuff like that, I remember I was like, [00:42:00] alright. I did being like in the back of my back of our car and my dad would be in the driver's seat or something, cause my mom was going shopping or something.

[00:42:07] And I would just think to myself or we, my dad take me to the mall or something like that. And I would just think there's no possible way that my dad's not going to check this girl out. Like it's impossible. Like there's just, it's, it's not that valuable that he can, he can withstand this woman walking past she's way too hot.

[00:42:26] And he would never, ever look. He would never look. So I actually asked him, you know, like maybe just two, three years ago, I said, dad, I said, I don't understand. I'm like, you know, there's beautiful people around all the time and you just never, you never acknowledged any of these women that walked by and he goes, I, he goes, I knew that you were watching.

[00:42:47] And he's like, no. And I knew at that, he's like, I knew that I knew that wasn't a good example. He was like, these eyes, these eyes are for your mother. And, and they ha and they've been that way since he was, you know, 13 or something [00:43:00] like that. So they've been together forever. And I was like, Wow. Like, I don't know how to do that, but that's fucking amazing.

[00:43:07] Carl Lanore: [00:43:07] That is amazing. That is amazing. Um, I want to take all that I'm going to, because we started late. I want to take our last commercial break. Now I got two more questions to ask

[00:43:16] Mark Bell: [00:43:16] you.

[00:43:17] Carl Lanore: [00:43:17] I sit tight. We'll be right back with more of Mark Bell.

[00:43:27] Mark Bell: [00:43:27] welcome

[00:43:27] Carl Lanore: [00:43:27] back.

[00:43:32] We're talking with Mark Bell talking about, this is an episode that we call a fathers and sons. It's about parenting raising boys into men. So something happened. I watched my dad pass away. When I looked at him, I saw my face. You know, and I realized, man, that's, that's going to be me someday. And it, my mortality became very, very evident to me.

[00:44:00] [00:43:59] My father never talked to me about death. He never talked to me about death at all, and I kind of wish we had now. Um, so do you think there's anything a father can do to help us on understand this transition that you know, someday I'm not going to be here. It's not a sad thing. Uh, you know, I want to just make sure you've got everything you need to move forward in life.

[00:44:21] Well, you think it's better that we just not talk about it at all?

[00:44:25] Mark Bell: [00:44:25] No, I think it's really important that we talk about it and, uh, you know, my dad is a man of God and you know, so he has his, um, you know, his belief is that. You know, we're, you know, you take care of yourself and he kind of, kind of what Ben green Greenfield touched upon.

[00:44:43] You need to take care of your soul and, uh, you know, you live, you live for eternity. And so when you kinda think about like, you know, kind of living on then, uh, you know, dying, maybe isn't such a severe or maybe, uh, doesn't have the same magnitude. [00:45:00] What I would say, you know, religion aside for a second is that I would say that death is really.

[00:45:06] Uh, just nothing. That's really all that scary because you're just, you're just not alive anymore. Right. However, I think what people are scared of is dying, you know, but there's a lot of people, you know, I, I guess first of all, you're dying a little bit every day, no matter what you do, right. There's a lot of people that are dying a lot faster and speeding that up.

[00:45:31] But then when the grim Reaper comes, they all of a sudden care about their health, more. They all the sudden, you know, now they're backed into a corner and they have diabetes and it's all, it's all horrible. And no one deserves these things, but at the same time, you weren't really valued. You didn't value your life that much before anyway.

[00:45:53] And so I think. That's some of what we see with like the COVID, uh, thing going on, [00:46:00] where, you know, all of a sudden these people want to wear mask and be really far apart from each other. But you're like, you've been eating Oreo cookies and jam and ice cream down your face for the last 25 years. Like I kind of shocks me that you even give a fuck about your, about your health at all, you know?

[00:46:17] Um, and, and I would go as far to say as same thing with some of the people that are dying at the hands of the police officers, I think. In some of the cases, not all the cases, but in many of the cases, these are people that, and they, they could be, uh, you know, trapped by society and they could have grown up with, uh, with circumstances.

[00:46:39] Yeah, they, yeah, they grow up fatherless. They grew up with some really shitty circumstances and I empathize with that. Uh, however, they have not demonstrated that they really care that much about their life. And so for me personally, I don't really care that much about death. I care about how I live. I want to try to live the strongest life that I can.

[00:46:59] And that's what I share with my [00:47:00] son. We've talked about it. We've had, unfortunately, we've had many family members die and we, we talk about it and we don't, we try not to dance around it. We try not to say they passed on, or we lost them. We'd say that their dad, they died, you know, we try to just get right.

[00:47:18] You know, get right to the, uh, the point of it and, you know, talk about some of these things that may have led, uh, you know, ultimately led to their death. But I, I personally, you know, have. Walked myself through my mom dying. My dad died. My dad nearly died a couple of times. He had a bunch of different things wrong with him.

[00:47:37] Um, he said, uh, uh, heart disease issues. He's had diabetes issues. Um, he had cancer and then he had some weird circumstance that happened to him on a flight. To New York where his, his body became septic. His stomach blew up real big. And he was in the Jamaica Queens hospital for like 70 days. And he went from being like [00:48:00] two 10 to like one 40.

[00:48:03] And it was, you know, his cheeks were all sunken in and it was, uh, it was really, really wild and he still has scars and he still has, has he still, um, You know, messed up from all that stuff. But you know, when I saw him lying there, you know, I kind of thought what you thought. I thought about my own, uh, mortality.

[00:48:24] And I actually wrote my dad a letter and I, I read it to him while he was pretty much unconscious, but he later said that he heard me. Um, and I basically told him, I said, you, you taught me everything that I need to know. Like you like, you're a great dad. Like you, if you need to go. Cause he was saying that he wanted to go.

[00:48:46] Um, I was like, if you need to go, then let it go. You know, you don't need to hang out for me. And, uh, when he came around and a couple of days later when he got some nutrition in them and he started to feel a little better, he's like, I heard that message [00:49:00] that you read me. He's like, and I always worried about you the most.

[00:49:03] Cause you're my, you're my baby boy. You know? And so, yeah, I think, you know, just. I think it's important to examine, uh, your own death. Um, a lot of stoic philosophers have talked about that before. Um, you know, why not, why not think that through why not think it through of what it would be like rather than being shocked and surprised?

[00:49:23] I mean, there's not a person, uh, that has, you know, everybody dies, that's it, that's an R RX that we'd get as a prescription that we get from when we're born is that, you know, death is eminent. And so. We may as well just address it and also just embrace it.

[00:49:39] Carl Lanore: [00:49:39] Yeah. I'm with you on that big time. Okay. So I want you to finish this sentence.

[00:49:44] Okay. When you're gone, how do you want your son Jake? To finish this sentence? My father was.

[00:49:56] Mark Bell: [00:49:56] I would, I would like for, [00:50:00] you know, how they, uh, interpreted my living, uh, will be probably different than what I wish, what I wish for. But, um, you know, I hope they just recognize that I, um, I went to the beat of my own drum and I was courageous enough to do so. And then I followed my heart and I followed my passion and I'm somebody that, you know, um, I try to put like, fun and love out in front of everything else.

[00:50:28] And, uh, let the less let the rest of the things kind of work themselves out. You know, I think maybe if somebody was to think of me, they might see the warrior, you know, in the gym, the guy that's, you know, banging the weights around and stuff, but. I think more so than that, I would love to be known for just not being a worrier, you know?

[00:50:50] Cause I think that that's a great thing to, to, to be able to have and, and, you know, hopefully my children can kind of and carry that, uh, that same [00:51:00] idea and concept that, uh, you know, life, you know, has a lot of ups and downs to it and there's a lot of things. To have some concern over here and there, but there's really no reason to really worry about things.

[00:51:14] Have a lot of anxiety towards things. And I guess I would kind of think off that a sentence of what my dad pointed out to me is a quote that I use all the time. But part of knowing who you are is knowing who you're not. And yeah, that, that helped me a lot with not worrying because. You know, I don't have to be jealous of Carla Nora, cause he's got a great podcast.

[00:51:40] He's a lot, got a lot of great advertisers. Carl was Carl, and you're going to do your thing and you're going to kick ass. Um, but I'm not, I'm not you, I'm not Joe Rogan. And that's totally fine. That does that. I don't, I don't care to be right. It's like, I'm trying to, uh, I'm trying to, you know, get as [00:52:00] much self-improvement as I can.

[00:52:01] I'm trying to. Advance myself so that I can advance the people around me. And so I hope my children, um, kind of, uh, you know, can recognize like, you know, dad was kind of weird. He was always obsessed with like lifting and stuff, but, um, he wasn't really worried about like trying to, he wasn't comparing himself to other people he's comparing himself to himself and ultimately that's, that's what he was doing.

[00:52:27] That was his school.

[00:52:28] Carl Lanore: [00:52:28] Beautiful. Um, I want to thank you so much. For coming on the air and talking about this today.

[00:52:35] Mark Bell: [00:52:35] Yeah. I, I really, I really appreciate it. Thank you.

[00:52:38] Carl Lanore: [00:52:38] You know, I just think you're such a cool guy. And I think, you know, I, it's not like I'm the only person on the planet that thinks that because you have such a huge following of people.

[00:52:46] Um, when, when I first started doing my, I used to be a huge fan of Howard stern. And back. I first heard Joe Rogan on Howard when he used to go on Howard, he used to do some funny stuff, really, really funny stuff.

[00:52:58] Mark Bell: [00:52:58] I love Howard stern. I still [00:53:00] listen to him here and there.

[00:53:02] Carl Lanore: [00:53:02] You know, um, one of the things I learned about doing a podcast is you got to bleed for the audience.

[00:53:08] You got to really be who you are and, and you can't be embarrassed with who you are and that's who you are. You, you, you are exactly the person that people see. That's who you really are too. And that there's a lot of value in that today with social media and Photoshop and fake ass people acting like they're really happy when they're not.

[00:53:28] And it's just nice to be around people who aren't pretentious really. And I want to thank you so much for coming on the show today.

[00:53:37] Mark Bell: [00:53:37] Yeah, thank you again. I appreciate it. I want to share one more thing that, uh, my dad shared with me, um, when I was young, that that also helped and it's, um, it's something I shared with my son as well.

[00:53:50] It's my dad has kind of always said, um, That even with whatever job that you currently have, whatever source of income that you [00:54:00] currently have, you should kind of always be searching for the next one. And then he also kind of commented along those same lines of saying that, um, because my dad's helped people with finances and stuff, and you've seen people, you don't have their ups and downs and build businesses and have them crash and all these different things.

[00:54:16] And so this is how I came to some of these conclusions, but he also said, You know, if you can figure out a way to make your job obsolete, you know, with, with an idea, rather than with your, with your back, then you can, you know, then you can generate tons of money. And so basically just trying to solve problems for people.

[00:54:34] And that's what I was able to do with the Slingshot. People have shoulder people have package issues, tricep issues, elbow issues. And I can't do some of the extras besides that. They love bench, press, pushups, dips, stuff like that. So, you know, my, I was always kind of. I was always kind of looking for that kind of thing because, uh, you know, that's what I was taught as a kid.

[00:54:55] And I think, um, I think oftentimes when we think about [00:55:00] trying to teach somebody else to be a man, I think we're thinking about like picking up a hammer. You know, or picking up a tool, but your mind is a really powerful tool as well. And so whether you learn how to work on a car or not, like I can't show my son that kind of stuff, just cause I don't know anything about it, but my dad has done so my friends have done.

[00:55:18] So because I do think that that is an important thing. And plus my son has a, I showed some interest okay. For it. But again, I just want to kind of reiterate that. That point, because I think so many people, so they get stuck in a particular job that gets stuck in a particular way of making money. And what's wrong with being a teacher, but also still kind of keeping your eye on something else.

[00:55:41] You know, on the horizon, because look at what has happened with teaching. Um, that whole thing is it's been kind of flipped upside down. So if two years ago you were thinking about doing something else, and now you're able to kind of transition into that or do both at the same time. You're just gonna, it's going to help increase your revenue and having [00:56:00] some financial freedom can alleviate a lot of the other burdens of life that people end up really worrying about and getting stuck on.

[00:56:08] Carl Lanore: [00:56:08] Guess who's following your interview today.

[00:56:11] Mark Bell: [00:56:11] Who's that

[00:56:12] Carl Lanore: [00:56:12] Joe Finnegan from Piedmontese certified Piedmontese and I know, I know you're a huge fan of their product as well,

[00:56:17] Mark Bell: [00:56:17] so, Oh my God. They have. I heard the advertisement on your show here. And we we've had them on our show as well. Um, it's it doesn't make any sense to have meat.

[00:56:29] That's that lean, but still tender. And I think, I feel that when I'm telling people this, they're like, Oh, well, they're advertised as in the show. So of course, you're going to say that there's no way that it just doesn't turn into a hockey puck when you cook that thing up. But there. They're freaking amazing.

[00:56:44] I had, um, the filet last night with a, uh, with a Bobbette steak as well. And it's just shit. It's just, it's unreal. I've never had, I've never had meat like that before. And I think it doesn't get the credit. It deserves because it's not part [00:57:00] of the government, you know, fat marbling, all the different

[00:57:05] Carl Lanore: [00:57:05] stuff that we do for meat.

[00:57:07] Yeah. They're the best. I have a pound and a half of ground beef. With me today, I already ate three quarters of a pound. I have to eat the rest of it. Now I'm Mark. Thanks for being here, brother.

[00:57:17] Mark Bell: [00:57:17] Thank you. Appreciate it. Take care.

[00:57:19] Carl Lanore: [00:57:19] I will get to take one quick commercial break. And when we come back up, what am I doing here?

[00:57:25] We're going to be joined by the folks from Piedmontese certified. Piedmontese we've got a great discussion coming up. Stay tuned.

[00:57:32] Mark Bell: [00:57:32] Okay.

[00:57:42] Carl Lanore: [00:57:42] welcome back to superhuman radio. We're joined by Joe Finnegan and Kayla Springer from certified. Piedmontese how you guys doing? Good. Good. Ah, just adjusted your volume. You're perfect now. Yeah. Thanks for being here. So, Joe man, you got some guns on you. It looks [00:58:00] like.

[00:58:01] Mark Bell: [00:58:01] No, it gets called out. So I put the long sleeves.

[00:58:04] Carl Lanore: [00:58:04] Okay. Okay. I thought maybe you put on a couple inches on your biceps since last time we talk. Well, maybe, you know, we're, we're in a smaller

[00:58:11] Mark Bell: [00:58:11] shirt certainly. Huh?

[00:58:11] Carl Lanore: [00:58:11] All the beef, it's all the beef. So, uh, before we get into the topic at hand, which is a, I wanna, I want to talk about the term super food because, um, I wrote a couple blogs that, uh, put forth.

[00:58:28] The idea that there was only one real superfood on this planet and that is beef. But before we get into that, let's introduce Kayla Springer to the, to the audience. What role does she play at Piedmontese and that sort of thing.

[00:58:42] Mark Bell: [00:58:42] I'll let Kayla kind of do that for us. Hi. Um, so I guess my official title is marketing coordinator.

[00:58:51] Um, but I've been here for eight years. Um, I interned here. Starting in 2012. And then I came on full time in [00:59:00] 2013. Um, and I guess one of the, the main things that really drew me to this company was just the fact that naturally I'm just a health freak. I enjoy exercising anything to do with healthy food.

[00:59:12] And I just thought it was crazy to hear about this animal that produces such a lean and healthy product and it being beef. And I've just, you know, years you hear so many bad things about red meat in general. And just, you know, from the research of myself with, like I said, I love nutrition and then learning more about the product itself.

[00:59:32] I've just was completely blown away, especially after I tried it. Um, you know, and so I've been here from the beginning, like I said, so anywhere from helping in the warehouse to lining up trucks to now I get to do marketing things to make sure our message is out there to the masses and that. People are understanding, you know, what makes us different and what really sets us apart.

[00:59:55] And I mean, you know, like, like Mark said, you know, people really don't [01:00:00] believe you until you actually try it. So, I mean, you know, our goal is to try to get that message across to people and just get them to click that order button and try it. So, I mean, it's just been really exciting and fun to see how much the company has grown, um, in the past eight years.

[01:00:15] And we get this opportunity. Do you have platforms like being on super human rating radio and also on the Mark Bell product podcast, just to share our passion really with it? Um, so I mean, myself, I, I eat the Piedmontese beef two to three meals a day. They, um, and I maybe have chicken once a week, maybe twice a week, but, um, I've got, you know, my own gut issues and everything like that.

[01:00:43] So, um, We just eating our beef has made me feel so much better. I don't have joint pain or anything like that anymore. And it's really wonderful. And it's just crazy to me to go from even just, you know, three years ago of people telling you, if you eat too much, red beef is terrible for [01:01:00] inflammation and for your body and that you can't digest it and break it down.

[01:01:04] Um, I'm sure partial partially that's because of the Piedmontese Brita just doesn't have all that extra connective tissue with fat in there, which. Is a lot of times it's hard for you by me to break down. So, um,

[01:01:17] Carl Lanore: [01:01:17] Kayla, I don't, I don't buy any of that. Beef is hard to break down stuff and I I'm good. I'm going to be a little possibly vulgar, but I've never seen entirely undigested pieces of beef come out of anybody.

[01:01:33] You know, it breaks down this idea that, you know, for some reason, Um, a lot of the misunderstandings about beef are driven by tangential marketing. So we have people that sell these cleanses and they, they, they used to say, Oh, when Elvis died, he had 64 pounds of undigested beef in his colon. That's impossible.

[01:01:56] Like it's. So in order [01:02:00] to sell products, people had to blame beef for problems, but beef has never been a problem. The truth is if VIF was a problem through evolution, we would've stopped eating it because we've stopped eating everything over the course of millions of years. That didn't work for us.

[01:02:16] Otherwise we'd be eating wood today, right. We probably tried to eat would at some point in time when we will Australia, , uh, you know, grass seal and it didn't work out. So we stopped. But the real problem I have in today's environment when it comes to beef is. I was on Instagram the other day. And that's why I inspired me to discuss this today.

[01:02:40] And there's a new, super food, and it's all you need is this superfood. And that's all, it's a, and it's made with chia seeds and kelp and all of these and it's vegan. And it's good for you. And first of all, enough research has been [01:03:00] done to show that the vegan diet is unless you are supplementing properly, you are going to develop nutrient deficiencies.

[01:03:07] I mean, vitamin B 12 is just one of them, but there's so many other nutrient deficiencies beef is actually the only real superfood. Now the definition of a superfood to me is a single food that you could eat. Every meal every day for years and not just survive, but actually thrive. Get stronger, be healthier.

[01:03:35] Like you said, your joint pain went away by, in large. All carbohydrates are plant-based. There are no animal carbohydrates. None. We know that carbohydrates cause an inflammatory response in the body. So all carbohydrates. Plant based of course are linked to inflammation. Dr. Allen [01:04:00] Gundry wrote a book called the plant paradox.

[01:04:01] He points out the anti-nutrients and plant based foods that are bad for us supported in science. I know a lot of people don't, you know, look just because we get away with eating grains doesn't mean it's good for us. Just because we get away with eating certain plant based products doesn't mean it's good for us.

[01:04:22] The thing that tells us that it's good for us is what happens in the body when you consume that if inflammation goes up, that means that's not a good source of food now in hard times, if you're going to survive, well, maybe all that you have to eat. But when we talk about thriving, beef is the only real superfood because it has everything in it.

[01:04:46] That we need because that the cow eats grass. Yes. And turns it into all the things that we would need. It extracts everything it's super concentrated. But then on top of it adds things to it. [01:05:00] For instance, bovine make their own vitamin C. Yeah. Now, while the USDA has never bothered to test this, Joe, I would love you guys to try this.

[01:05:11] If someone tested a piece of beef, I'm sure they're going to find. Some amount of vitamin C in it, because bovine make their own vitamin C. They don't have to take it. They don't have to find it in food, just like most there's only two teachers on the planet that don't make their own vitamin C you know what they are humans and Guinea pigs.

[01:05:34] That's it. Every other species on the planet makes its own vitamin C. So naturally there's vitamin C and beef. And that's why when the Chinese Navy used to leave China, hundreds and hundreds of years ago, they brought cattle on board. They raised the cattle, they milked the cattle, they processed the cattle.

[01:05:54] They ate the beef. They never got scurvy while we were trying to. Canned [01:06:00] vegetables and put them on boats and send them out. And all our guys got scurvy, they ate beef. They didn't get scurvy. That's evidence that there's vitamin C in beef. Yeah.

[01:06:12] Mark Bell: [01:06:12] There's also a big movement going right now, too with, uh, the carnivore diet, um, which is, you know, kind of a response to the whole plant based movement where it's just nothing, but, you know, red meat and eggs and, and there's been.

[01:06:27] No tremendous case studies, as well as just testimonials as to how it has cured. People's diabetes, blood pressure, um, eradicated there, um,

[01:06:40] Carl Lanore: [01:06:40] prescription

[01:06:41] Mark Bell: [01:06:41] regimen, prescription pills, and, you know, it just changes their life. And it's just from a simple diet change to, to eliminate all of the crap and the fillers.

[01:06:51] So eating a natural, like you said, um, you know, beef, protein, that's got all of the nutrients that your body's needs.

[01:07:00] [01:06:59] Carl Lanore: [01:06:59] You can eat beef. Like I said a second ago, I'm gonna repeat it every meal every day, every week, every month for years and not develop a nutrient deficiency. Now, is there the possibility that you'd hyper accumulate some iron maybe, maybe not.

[01:07:17] There are other things that affect iron absorption. However, there isn't another food on the planet. I think Ron Penna and I discussed this a couple years ago and he said he thinks eggs. You might be able to eat eggs every day, every meal and not developing nutrient deficiency, but we both agreed that the one that we absolutely know for a fact is beef.

[01:07:41] How could that not be the only super food? I mean, doesn't that qualify it to be the only superfood.

[01:07:51] Mark Bell: [01:07:51] You would think. Yeah. But, but it doesn't get, get quite as much love, uh, you know, with the mainstream media and everything that goes along with it, unfortunately.

[01:07:58] Carl Lanore: [01:07:58] Well, so here's the other thing that [01:08:00] I want them to take issue with.

[01:08:01] Okay. So a beef gets a bad rap, they say, Oh, well, beef, because it's so much water is consumed. Uh, when you, when you, uh, are raising cattle and about four or five years ago, there was a number going around the internet and the media. That's something stupid, like a, it co it's 500 gallons of water to produce a six ounces of beef.

[01:08:25] And I thought to myself that can't be true. That just can't be true. So I set out to research it and what I came up with is a blog. That's the URL. I'm going to show you the blog here in a second. If I can, uh, Chrome tabs, here we go. What I did was I wrote a blog called why, why soy is unsustainable. And beef is better for the planet.

[01:08:50] So all the people out there who like to beat up on beef, they talk about the water consumption of beef. What they fail, talk about [01:09:00] is that first of all, cows can graze non arable land. So land that you can't grow crops on because there's trees on it. It's on Hills cows graze on those lands. So they use those lands.

[01:09:15] That's more. Grazing land in the United States. That's unused today. Then there is available for producing crop for, for crops. Number one, number two, cows, drink, pond water. They drink runoff, water. You, you, you don't have to bring cisterns of water in for your cows. Usually your land has. Water gathering on it.

[01:09:40] You can't use that water for anything else, cows put it to good use. So the reality is that this notion. That cows are bad for the planet complete and utter lie, but the media, the fake news media, they keep repeating this because they have this vegan agenda. Well, what they also fail [01:10:00] to talk about is the fact that it's conventional agriculture.

[01:10:04] That's destroying the planet. That's causing complete obliteration of the planet by millions of tons of pesticides and herbicides and all this other crap going into the air into the water. But nobody likes to talk about that because there's this whole vegan movement. Oh, be good to the planet and eat plants.

[01:10:23] Have you ever seen how the crows and Hawks follow. The the, the tiller, when, when they're turning the ground to prepare it for a crop, because bunnies and snakes and raccoons and wrote it, they all get chewed up in it and they just fly behind it. And they, they, they pick up the dead bodies. You Le you vegans out there who think that it's all about, you know, the animals, there's millions of animals dying to produce your kale.

[01:10:51] So this is, this is disingenuous of us to keep beating up beef beef. Is the best food for [01:11:00] humans. It's the single and I'm sorry, I go on a rant because it drives me crazy. That's all right. But I was just going to tell you one of the

[01:11:07] Mark Bell: [01:11:07] most beautiful, you know, things about Piedmontese beef and then how we raise them as we utilize that actually, one of the best natural resources available in this nation.

[01:11:18] And that's the Ogallala aquifer that all of our, you know, windmills that pump water from the ground are coming from. So our cattle have access to some of the freshest and best quality, uh, ground water in the country. And it's from the largest underwater or underground aquifer, you know, almost in the world.

[01:11:36] So, um, to have that basically at our, um, discretion for the animals where they can drink as much water as they'd like. Um, it's basically coming from an endless supply of that water. So,

[01:11:50] Carl Lanore: [01:11:50] so if beef is the best thing for humans to eat certified Piedmontese is the best beef because the quality of your beef matters.

[01:12:00] [01:12:00] Okay. You know, in a jam up, I'll go through McDonald's Wendy's and I'll get for a large beef patties because I've got nothing else to eat. And I grab a fork and I'll eat that in the car, but it's not good beef. It doesn't taste good beef. I've found that. The further away you get from good beef. The beef starts to have this smell.

[01:12:19] Elisa laugh because I say it smells like wet dog. When beef smells like wet dog to me, I know that this is cheap, cheap, cheap beef Piedmontese is the best beef. Why? Because genetically these cows are amazing. They were bred specifically. To be tender, have a higher denture muscle and also be healthy and long lived strong because they will use to work as well as produce milk and to process.

[01:12:50] So these cows. Are like champions of, of the cow breed. And when you, when you eat their meat, you taste the difference. It [01:13:00] tastes so good. You don't need anything on the stakes, just a, a good seared grill and you're done. You can get 25% off by the way of Piedmontese beef. By going to SHR network.biz/save 25 SAV 25, there were a couple comments put up, um, Earlier in the show that for some reason didn't make it through to the show.

[01:13:23] So I couldn't share them, but one of them was from Eric Swanee. He said, I eat Piedmontese beef every day. I eat Piedmontese beef every day. I know a lot of people who eat Piedmontese beef every day. You know why they eat it every day. Because once you try it, you will never be satisfied with any other beef.

[01:13:42] I go to restaurants that are steakhouses. I don't think their stakes are as good as the ones I get from you guys. True story. Awesome.

[01:13:49] Mark Bell: [01:13:49] We appreciate hearing that. And, uh, you know, the other thing that we've seen it's been paramount is, is just to your point of kind of the smell of your rank beef, um, just not [01:14:00] knowing, knowing where your beef comes from at the grocery store.

[01:14:03] Um, you know, because the commodity beef in the big packing industry, you know, you, you don't really have any idea as to the reach and, and you know, the numbers that they're producing and supplying nationwide. So, you know, the same beef could be in the case that a high end butcher shop as it is at a family fair market, um, just with different dollar figures, but it's, you know, face same raw material,

[01:14:29] Carl Lanore: [01:14:29] you know, but

[01:14:30] Mark Bell: [01:14:30] the buying drugs directly from the source,

[01:14:32] Carl Lanore: [01:14:32] you know, you

[01:14:32] Mark Bell: [01:14:32] know, having that farm to fork traceability, and then having and supporting ranchers who do it the right way, you know, all naturally and no antibiotics or growth hormones, um, that are high on animal welfare and husbandry.

[01:14:45] Um, you know, we're, we don't put anybody down who raises animals and my wife, um, just the Piedmontese breed and specific, um, you know, they, nobody can do what we do, you can do from a nutritional profile standpoint. Um, [01:15:00] but, but just doing it the right way and then giving the animals lives that they deserve, um, to, you know, to preserve a nice quality finished

[01:15:07] Carl Lanore: [01:15:07] product is what it's all about.

[01:15:10] So, what is the, what is this stuff that they rub on the stakes at the grocery store to make them look more red? Because you could tell they're doing it because it gets on the fat too. And the fat looks like it's has a pink color to it.

[01:15:22] Mark Bell: [01:15:22] You know, that could just be like some sort of acid that they're either spraying or, um, rubbing on there, like you said.

[01:15:29] Um, and we actually, since we talked to you last, we actually, um, opened up a retail shop. And about every hour, hour 15. All we do is we spray water, um, very lightly on the meat. And that literally just brings that, that red color right back out. And that meat, that meat case is just absolutely

[01:15:48] Carl Lanore: [01:15:48] beautiful down there.

[01:15:49] So do you have to spray water on it just to keep it from drying because of the air?

[01:15:53] Mark Bell: [01:15:53] Right. Otherwise, you know, as oxygen hits that meat, the meat's going to oxidize and potentially turn that grayish [01:16:00] color. It doesn't have any effect on the, on the finished product. Um, it's just from visual standpoint where it, where it looks a little less appetizer.

[01:16:08] Carl Lanore: [01:16:08] Now, Kayla you're into sports nutrition, I believe. Right? Yeah. So are you a low card person?

[01:16:16] Mark Bell: [01:16:16] No, I've, I've tried that before. Um, you know, and there's, there's studies out there that your brain. Some people just work better when they have carbs. Yeah. Made the majority of my carbs is, you know, I don't have any wheat or anything that is rice and potatoes.

[01:16:32] Um, so I mean, it's as raw as I can possibly get for my carbohydrates, but I make sure I get enough in there because when I don't have carbohydrates, I get brain fog. I don't feel like, I think, uh, think as well. And, um, Yeah, I'm just, honestly, I also get some body aches sometimes here and there and cause my body, my body personally just needs it.

[01:16:53] Right. And I truly think that every, every bodies body is different. You know, the low carb diet will [01:17:00] work for one person. It may not work for the other. And that's one thing too with, you know, You know, with any type of influencer out there in the fitness industry, to tell someone, Hey, you need to cut carbs out of your diet, or you need to, you know, have a surplus of carbs in your diet to gain weight.

[01:17:14] Like you can't just generalize that sustain for anybody, right? Like you need to take time and figure out what works for your body. It may take a few years, but you know, as long as you do the research yourself, um, you know, it's good for you, obviously, overloading carpets. That's not good for anybody.

[01:17:32] Obviously, if you're an endurance athlete, Um, it's you need that fuel. So cutting. I mean, personally cutting carbs out completely just did not work.

[01:17:41] Carl Lanore: [01:17:41] Why do you avoid that? You, you made it very specific to say you avoid grains. Why do you avoid grains? Um,

[01:17:47] Mark Bell: [01:17:47] so I can not have anything that has fruit toast in it.

[01:17:51] So there are a thousand things under the sun that naturally produced fruit toast and. A wheat, gluten is one of them, [01:18:00] um, all the way to asparagus and onions also. Yeah. Yeah. So Italian food. I can't have that anymore. Unfortunately. Um, dairy, I can't have, cause that turns into fruit toast in the body, but, um, so that's why I stick with rice in potatoes and that's what works for my body.

[01:18:18] You know, I'm able, yeah, it might be boring to eat the same thing, I think every single day, but I'm used to it now. Um, so I mean, I, if I want to feel good, I'm going to eat correctly. If I'm going to eat something that I know is gonna be a pain that I'm not going to pay for it

[01:18:32] Carl Lanore: [01:18:32] basically, you know, I often wonder if gastronomy and the pursuit for flavors in food, isn't where we went wrong as a species.

[01:18:43] Um, I've talked about this at least over the past 10 years on the show that food combining. Is probably one of the toughest things for your stomach to handle. You know, if you eat just a piece of beef, your body has an easy time handling it. The [01:19:00] pancreas can produce the enzymes required and the stomach has an easy time working with it.

[01:19:07] It digests at a certain rate. Peristalsis moves it through the small and large intestines. Nice. Everything moves nice. But now when you throw asparagus in with it, Well now you've got something that digested a different rate requires other enzymes to be produced and it's all in the same place. And so this piece wants to go fast and this piece wants to go slow.

[01:19:29] And then you throw some potato on top of that. And so, you know, I I've had discussions with very intelligent blonde the show, and I said, you know, I often wonder if food combining isn't where we've gone wrong with nutrition. You know, this whole idea that like you don't see a lion kill a gazelle and say to the other line, you know, it tastes good with this.

[01:19:51] A hyena, go get a hyena and you go get some, some broccoli. No, they, they eat what they have in front of them until they're out of it. And then they go eat [01:20:00] something else that is actually less taxing to the digestive system. Then combining foods. And I often wonder if you know our pursuit of gastronomy, may we need to blame this on the French and the Italian I'm Italian, you know, this pursuit of flavor and mixing things together.

[01:20:13] Oh, let's add this and let's add that. That is what jacks up your stomach, I believe.

[01:20:19] Mark Bell: [01:20:19] Yeah, very well could. I mean, there's a reason why cave men, way back then they just stuck with eating beef for the most part. I mean, you didn't see them going in forging for grains and things like that. They. Killed an animal and that's what they ate.

[01:20:32] And they clearly humans are still around. So it must have worked right. That there's some merit to that. I feel like.

[01:20:40] Carl Lanore: [01:20:40] So right now, anyone listening to my show will watching us, watching the video. You can go to this website, SHR network. It's actually a URL SHR network.biz/save 25.  you'll get 25% off all of the beef [01:21:00] This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it..

[01:21:00] And, uh, I promise you if you order some. You will never be satisfied with any other beef again, and every time an order arrives, even the midst of summer, it's frozen. There's nothing I can tell you. I mean, I'm sure there's the occasional a shipper gets screwed up. It sits somewhere. It shouldn't then, but by and large, my experience with other beef shipping suppliers is that it often.

[01:21:33] Shows up at least semi thought out and your stuff always shows up rock solid, frozen, and that's, that's a big deal to me. Anyway. I want to thank you guys for coming on and letting me rant about how I think beef is the only real superfood.

[01:21:50] Mark Bell: [01:21:50] Oh, I like that. There's some merit to that. We need to get that message out there a lot more.

[01:21:53] Carl Lanore: [01:21:53] Sure. I have a blog. I just put it up and I'll email it to Joe. We need to get this blog out there. I actually [01:22:00] used legitimate. Uh, resources used by cattle, farmers and ranchers who grow soy to do an estimate of how much water is needed. How many days a year does it, how many days does it rain during the growing season?

[01:22:18] And we looked at it and the reality is that it's more expensive. Water-wise. More costly water-wise to raise an acre of soy than it is an entire cow. And once you process that cow, you could eat on that cow for a family of four could probably you don't that cow for close to a year. And that soy has gone, that soy has gone.

[01:22:43] And it, and again, you develop nutrient deficiencies. Have you tried to just eat that soil alone? You hold, develop nutrient deficiencies. If you eat that beef. Oh yeah. So I'll say I'll send this link to you. It'll piss a lot of people off. I promise maybe you don't want to share it after all [01:23:00] I listened. I want to thank you for being sponsors on the show.

[01:23:03] Thank you for making such a fantastic product available to my audience, Joe, and tell Ben we missed him. Okay.

[01:23:11] Mark Bell: [01:23:11] Awesome. Yeah. Take care. Thanks for watching. See you soon.

[01:23:14] Carl Lanore: [01:23:14] That's it. Today, tomorrow we have Dan Maita returning to the show. Uh, it's going to be interesting discussion. You know, Dan used to be 340 350 pounds a linebacker.

[01:23:28] I believe he was for the Cincinnati bangles and he's lost a lot of weight when he went into the WWE. I've lost a lot of muscle too in the past few years with my injuries. And there's a certain mindset that you have to cope with. When all of a sudden you don't have the real estate you used to have. And we'll get to it.

[01:23:49] We're going to explore that. We're going to explore that on. Cause it could be a stumbling block for people who should be losing weight and aren't because they want to stay a certain size. So that should be an interesting [01:24:00] show tomorrow with Dan mate. The hope you can tune in, of course, please share the show.

[01:24:04] Always share the show, uh, especially this show. With, uh, Mark Bell, because we can help a lot of young people out there who will be father someday, and maybe some young people who need a little bit of fatherly attention. Yeah, we'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for watching today and

[01:24:20] Mark Bell: [01:24:20] listening. [01:25:00] .