[00:00:00] Hey, Hey, welcome back to another episode of human radio. We have a jam packed show for you today. During the first hour, Mark Bell is going to be with us, inspiring us to be better people, better athletes, better fathers, better human beings for 2021. And I gotta tell you, um, I love this guy because he is part of the walk, the walk club, everything that Mark talks about, he does.

[00:00:24] And. You can see the results in his own body and his attitude. Um, and I think that if we're going to learn from people, let's stop learning from these, uh, Instagram models and people who want to inspire you to do stuff, and they're not even doing it themselves, you know, they're not. Uh, so we're going to talk to Mark.

[00:00:43] And just a moment later in the show, we're going to talk about an interesting amino acids. Very, very rare. It's found in some foods, your body doesn't make it. But it actually may be the answer to the whole telomere conundrum and aging. So that's a little bit later in the show before we do any of [00:01:00] that, we have to thank our title sponsor, legendary foods.

[00:01:05] They're new tasty. Pastry is out of this world. It's birthday cake style. Those of you tried the old tasty pastry. It was kind of like a pop tart. You don't have that hard, a pastry crust, but this is more like an Apple turnover crust. This is puffy. It's delicious. 20 grams of protein, zero sugar. I guarantee you won't be able to stop your kids from eating the entire box in the first week, go to SHR network.biz/legendary.

[00:01:35] Use the code sh or 10 to save 10% off and check them out before they run out. And now without further delay, my guest today is none other than the handsome and powerful Mark Bell. How are you doing Mark? I'm doing great. I'm doing absolutely great. Mark Bell is the Vince Lombardi of physical culture.

[00:01:56] Vince Lombardi inspired people. Because [00:02:00] they knew he walked the walk. They knew the, the fabric that the man was made out of and they wanted to do better because he wanted them to do better. Mark Bell cares about people. That's where his infinite energy comes from. I can tell you this firsthand, I've learned about the guy I become close with him.

[00:02:19] He's a unique human being. There's no doubt about it. And I thought who else to have on the show? And talk about inspired strength, inspired strength is what Mark Bell embodies. Welcome to 2021 brother. Yeah. Thank you. And you know, the comparison to Vince Lombardi is a really a complimentary to me I'm a huge football fan.

[00:02:41] First of all. And, uh, Vince Lombardi is a very iconic. But if you go back and you think about what had been some bar, what Vince Lombardi really teach, and you look at some of these great coaches of the past, what did they really teach? Uh, they almost always taught like a, they taught the fundamentals, [00:03:00] right?

[00:03:00] And then they taught something else, which I would consider to fall into a category of something called universal law. You know, everybody that you've ever had on this show who's gained or earned success. Um, Has been a self-starter they've been somebody that has figured out a way to go after their goal, uh, regardless of the different things, the different hurdles that that came their way, they looked at obstacles as hurdles and they developed a skillset so they can jump over those things and ha and leave them in the past.

[00:03:32] And, uh, if you think about, you know, Vince Lombardi, you know, what did he really teach? You know, he taught the fundamentals of blocking and tackling. And there's those old videos of him on that sled and him getting pushed by the, by the team, you know, uh, firing everybody up and having him push that sled all over the place.

[00:03:50] Well, he knew that the basics were going to be the key to every single victory that he had and, and, uh, gaining an inch or gaining, you know, a couple of yards on a play was [00:04:00] so significant. And so the execution of how you go about doing these things is, is critical. And then how do we get the best execution every time?

[00:04:08] Well, let's make sure that the guy that is, uh, the guy that's on the offensive line with the other offensive lineman, let's make sure that they feel like a family and they feel like a unit and that they'll die for one another. They'll they'll throw that extra block. They'll push that extra yard, not necessarily just for the coach, but they're doing it for the betterment of the team.

[00:04:28] And that I've, I've looked at a lot of things that way and learned a lot of great things from my own father. Um, over the years, just on. How important just people are always trying to be great and that's fantastic that people want to be great. They want to be like the rock or whatever. Uh, but I think being great is misleading.

[00:04:49] I think what you're really trying to do is you're trying to be good for a really long period of time. And if you're good or really long period of time, and you built up that consistency, somebody else will tell you that. You're [00:05:00] great. Okay. So you just mentioned the word that I wanted to inject into the conversation that is consistency.

[00:05:06] And the people have a hard time being consistent. And here's my opinion, why I think it is, um, people. If, if you, we know that if you go to college for four years, you come away with a degree, depending on, you know, you, if you apply yourself and the curriculum is created for you by people who understand how to create, create curriculums, to get you from point a to point B.

[00:05:34] The noise level and distraction out there from people who want you to try this and want you to buy that is actually a problem for people because I kind of feel like if you know, what you're doing is going to work and then you trust the process. You can be consistent, but the problem is too many people don't really have the confidence in what they're doing, [00:06:00] that it's going to work.

[00:06:00] And so when they don't see any results in six weeks or six days, they bail and they move on to something else. What's the secret. What is your secret? You've been consistent as a wrestler, as a powerlifter. Now, a bodybuilder, uh, an inventor. What's the secret to consistency. You have to lower your standards, uh, so far, uh, that it's almost an absolute joke to not be consistent because if you're thinking about it, you're consistent at taking it shit twice a day already.

[00:06:33] Right, right, right. Are there things that you have consistent and see for in your life already, whether it's that you drink alcohol after dinner every night or have dessert. Now these might be considered like bad habits, but I'm just showing you as an example, like. Everyone has this ability to be on schedule and be on point with something.

[00:06:53] And how do you lower your standards so far? Uh, what happens is, is when you start to lower your [00:07:00] standards so far, no longer sounds like a challenge anymore. And so you're like, well, come on, dude. Like that's, that's so easy, but that's the whole point because you mentioned the key word, the key word that follows being consistent is confidence.

[00:07:13] How do we, cause if we can just build a little confidence, we see what it does in our children. And it's so obvious, like, wow, that kid's more confident because he learned how to play the guitar or he learned how to throw a spiral with football. And now he's more confident now he's talking to other people and you it's so dramatic, but in adults, I don't think we, we see it as, uh, as being so dramatic like that.

[00:07:34] But the way to build your confidence is to lower the standards so low that whatever it is you're trying to do is simp is so simple. That is almost ridiculous for you to not do it. So an example of that is these 10 minute walks. Um, Hey, you know, uh, go and walk to your mailbox and let's, let's say you're you live in, uh, New York and it's fricking three degrees outside.

[00:08:00] [00:08:00] Well, you know, when you look outside of that mailbox and the sun starts to come out and stuff, and now it's 15 degrees. You're like, you know what? I made an agreement to myself. Don't be a chump, like just walk to the damn mail. Like it's, you know, it's really not, it's not that bad. Like, dude, just go and walk to the mailbox.

[00:08:17] Don't be such a Wolf's you know, and you'll probably end up walking to the mailbox cause you're trying to string together that consistency. I'll give you another example. For the longest time I've had issues where I wake up in the middle of the night and I feel like eating and I'm not even really hungry.

[00:08:32] It's just like a bad habit from when I was heavier now. So

[00:08:42] Mark, wait, wait, you actually, you actually dropped out for a millisecond right after you said, so you wake up in the middle of the night and you went from there. Yes. I wake up in the middle of the night and I want to like ravage the pantry, like a bear, you know? And [00:09:00] so, uh, I used to slap myself on the wrist for that and say, Hey, like, you know, don't do that again.

[00:09:05] But every day, literally, literally you would do that as like a trigger. You would slap yourself on the wrist. No, I wouldn't have slapped myself on the wrist, but I'm just thinking like figuratively. I would be like disappointed in myself. Right. And then I was like, well, how do I not be disappointed in myself?

[00:09:22] Well, how about I just get rid of the rule? Cause it's a dumb rule who cares when I eat and if I'm eating a legendary pop tart in the middle of the night, it's not really hurting anything. And that's what I would eat. I would eat like a hero bar or a quest bar. I used to a long time ago. He did ice cream and other stuff, but I was like, these treats are they're healthy enough.

[00:09:41] I mean, they still fall in line with my goals, so let's not make it a big deal. And so more recently I'm like, all right, well, if you're going to eat. Any of this stuff. How about you just have one, like, that sounds, that sounds reasonable rather than even like two or three of them, which I would love, love to do.

[00:09:57] Uh, now I found a nice compromise that I can actually be [00:10:00] consistent with. And so now I'm consistent and guess what? I don't feel bad about eating something in the middle of the night, because sometimes it's a protein shake analytic and very Pop-Tarts that new one that you had a commercial for?

[00:10:10] Absolutely ridiculous. You're right. It's more like an Apple turnover, uh, consistency. So I think how can other people apply this? How can they bring this into their own life? Let's say that you want to go on a diet and you're hearing all this stuff about carnival or this carnival or that. And you try it, you know, starting on, you got that Monday mentality, I'm starting it on Monday, no carbs, uh, just meat.

[00:10:34] And you're going to do cardio and you're going to lift weights and you're going to do double days. You're on day seven and you're dragging ass and you're like, ah, man, you know, This is already good. Here I go again, like, uh, you know, I'm going to be the same fat bastard I was yesterday because I don't have the motivation or discipline.

[00:10:51] You find yourself eating some Ben and Jerry's well, rather than making everything so difficult for yourself. Why don't you just write down a list of foods that [00:11:00] aren't great for you, that you love, that you eat way too often and start to work on disregarding those foods? The best that you possibly can.

[00:11:07] You can say, Hey, look, soda is a huge problem for me. Drinking alcohol is a huge problem for me. Those are two things that I need to face, because I think that you would agree with this statement. People think that they're going to lose weight and get healthy, and that can happen. But normally in order to lose weight, you have to be healthy first.

[00:11:27] Yeah, you need healthy practices and you need to be a healthy person in order to almost be accepting of this like new weight loss stuff, that's going to happen to you. So you got to kind of make yourself as success before you are even. Uh, earning a lot of success. So, so I want to stay with the 10 minute walks for a second because I, this is a very, very powerful habit.

[00:11:51] You, you, how, how many times a day do you take a 10 minute, 10 minute walk now? Um, I would say that, you know, on average, um, walking [00:12:00] probably five or six times a day and, uh, the group here at, at Slingshot, um, we have a group of, probably about 15 employees. No one's in the office anymore. Like, I, it backfired on me cause no one's even working anymore.

[00:12:13] They're outside with their headphones on, on their 10 minute walks. Everybody's everybody's walking all the time and it's, and it's great. And uh, we'll grab each other. We'll say, Hey, 10 minute walk. And the other guy will be like, yep, let me know. Let me finish this email. And we pop out the door. Do you keep it to 10 minutes or does it become longer?

[00:12:27] Do you like it? Look, we've got a 10 minute walk. They're going to be 10 minutes. Oftentimes if it's, if I'm by myself, there'll be. Way longer. Like I might walk for like two hours sometimes just cause I enjoy walking. But, uh, what I've learned about that, that's a great thing to bring up is that, and I've learned this in the gym as well, and I learned it in a bunch of other areas.

[00:12:47] So if I start lifting and I'm like, I'm gonna, you know, put in a good hour, 45 minutes if I put in 90 minutes, but what happens to the next day? The next day is compromised. If you [00:13:00] think about addiction, like that's like a definition of addiction in a way, right? Like, yeah. It's gonna negatively impact. What if it's is it negatively impacting my time with my family?

[00:13:10] Yes. It negatively impacting my relationships. Is it negatively impacting my sleep? Is it negatively impacting my next day? Yeah, it's fucking all that up. It's messing all that stuff up. Right. And so, uh, you got to kind of limit it. And so with these 10 minute walks, I think it's critical. That, Hey, look, you know, even keep them a little short, keep them six to eight minutes because you want to stay on top of them and you want to do them frequently.

[00:13:33] It's a brilliant, uh, plan. Uh, you know, when you, if you break it, get down to this walk, walk five minutes in any direction from wherever you're standing and then walk back, then you think, well, that's really not so bad. I'm just walking five minutes away and then I'm walking back and 10 minutes isn't a lot, but 10 minutes can do it a lot, depending on your health status.

[00:13:53] If you're somebody who can't walk 10 minutes, walk three minutes. If you're somebody who can't walk three minutes, then [00:14:00] stand during the TV commercials. Until you can walk around the sofa. And then once you start walking around the sofa, walk around the house, I mean, but you start where you are. That's the other problem?

[00:14:12] I think people have, um, I was a very, very strong individual for most of my life and then 2018 and 19 through some really bad injuries my way. And I lost a lot of strength and I lost a lot of muscle and I'm comparing myself when I go to the gym now to that guy. I'm not that guy anymore. I'm the guy I was when I was 330 pounds and being fitted for a pacemaker again.

[00:14:36] So I need to go back there and start with the basics. Before I moved back to where I was start, where you are, I've had it, you know, I've preached these things, but finally I'm having to live them now. So it's interesting. I love the 10 minute walk concept. I think it's fantastic. Just give a little, Nario give people something.

[00:14:57] They can try. Yeah. W w [00:15:00] today, when you have an opportunity and outside and go to a mailbox or a stop sign, or, uh, any sort of object that garbage can pick a good look at it. Okay. And size that thing up. And I want you to envision that that's your problem. So let's just say that all your problems, you might have problems that are much bigger than just that, but let's just say that's all your problems, right?

[00:15:26] Well, that's going to represent, you know, a trash can is, I don't know, three feet tall and maybe three feet wide or something like that. Uh, so when you're next to it, you're like, Oh, wow, it's pretty, it's pretty big deal. It's a pretty big problem. Right? Well, if you just walk for one minute and then you turn around and you look at that problem, it looks a lot smaller.

[00:15:47] Your perspective on it is different. What if you, and, and this is literally putting your head down and putting one foot in front of the other. And sometimes on these walks, you're walking up Hill, you're moving onward and upward at the same time. [00:16:00] Let's say you walk another minute. Well, by the time he walked another minute, you can turn around and look at that problem.

[00:16:04] And you can cover it up with your thumb just by putting your thumb in front of your face. And it's, so your problems will become smaller. Uh, the more that you work towards your new goals, there'll be, they'll start to become irrelevant. A lot of times, your, a lot of the issues that you might have, uh, You'll almost forget why ever even had them, the beef that you had with so-and-so or the situation that you had going on or, or the high blood pressure or the you'll just be like, that was so foolish that I really ever even had that, but I guess it was just a lack of knowledge.

[00:16:35] I didn't know that these walks were so empowering, but I mean, how ridiculous is it that we can get some really amazing benefits just from walking and, uh, you know, let's not forget what it's doing for your mind. That's what I always think about physical activity. Like, man, what is it doing for your brain?

[00:16:53] And then also, you know, we have the benefit of, of sometimes getting out in the sun. Well, now we're like, [00:17:00] it's a triple, quadruple win. One last thing I want to say on, on the 10 minute walk topic is when you get home from a stressful day, you had a day that was a little, uh, you know, frustrating or whatever it might be.

[00:17:15] I think he got two options. One is you can still walk when you're out. If, when you're at work, if you have an opportunity, if there's an area where you can walk, you can do that at the end of your day. And just kind of make yourself do that and get out the way, get out the door and, and hit your hit up a 10 minute walk.

[00:17:31] The other option is to just do it when you get home, but when you get home and you go to sit down, be careful how long you sit down for. If you sit down for more than like 60 seconds, you're probably done. And you're probably just going to kind of loaf there. And the second that you feel that sigh and that actual relaxation, that's actually your cue to get your ass up and to go out it again.

[00:17:54] That works well for me, because I was like, ah, man, this feels, but if I, if I [00:18:00] sat in that any longer, my fat ass on the couch, the rest of the night. So when you kind of feel the urge to just let up. I always say, never get caught doing nothing. Like you should always be doing something, always working towards your goals.

[00:18:12] Keep moving, keep moving. Now, the other thing that I learned from you, you and I were texting and I said, you know, I was kind of embarrassed. I was like, I haven't been in the gym in like six weeks between the move to the new house and the COVID shut down. And I started drinking wine every night. I was drinking.

[00:18:31] I kept thinking of Vince Jarana. I always heard stories about Vince when he got older. He started drinking. People would say, well, Vince would drink a bottle of wine every night. And I felt like, man, I'm one of those old Italian guys, all those guineas, I'm drinking the wine. I'm not doing anything. And I was texting with you and you said, Carl, go to the gym.

[00:18:48] What body part do you like to train? Go to the gym and just train arms. If that's all you train, just go to the gym and train arms. And there was a, there was a simplicity and an elegance to this because. [00:19:00] When you start thinking about training, you're like, Oh, I gotta train back. I gotta train legs. No. What if you just started out doing what you love?

[00:19:07] Little guys love to train arms, right? Talk about the train of body part that you love. Absolutely. I think for myself, uh, you know, I've been training since I was around 12 years old. I'm I'm 44 now. So over 30 years of, uh, hitting the weights and. Yeah, I know what it's like to have a program laid out in front of you and have that look really daunting or to even see, I remember having like a couple of weeks laid out when I was power lifting and I would see, you know, okay, you have a 980 pounds squat.

[00:19:40] For three sets of two reps or something like that. And I'd be like, Holy shit. Like I already knew that day was going to be awful. So I'd prepare myself for how, how brutal that was going to be. But that was at a really extreme level, you know, nowadays I'm just after being a more fit. And the most important thing is for me just to get myself in the gym in the first place.

[00:19:59] And [00:20:00] so what I started to do is I started just to say, Hey, look, I'm just going to do one body part. And you know how easy it is to talk yourself into doing one body part. Um, Uh, one body part and even one exercise. So, you know, I, I, I work here at Slingshot headquarters and we have the gym, we have super training gym inside of that.

[00:20:19] And so it's kind of easy for me to walk from meetings and stuff like that into the gym, but what somebody would find if they were trying to do what I'm doing is sometimes it's hard to separate the two, the two kind of get, get smashed together and, uh, I'm at my work and I'm at the gym at the same time.

[00:20:37] And so I can get pulled in a lot of different directions and the training can sometimes be frustrating. Cause it's something I'm getting through these meetings and through all these other things. And so I was like, I'm not letting my training suffer for anybody. Like that's not, that's not negotiable.

[00:20:52] I'm not allowing that to happen to me. I see it happen to a lot of other entrepreneurs and I'm not going to let that happen to me. So you have no excuse. You have no [00:21:00] one to blame. Put this on your own shoulders and just go in there and do one exercise. And even if you're scheduled to do legs or something like that, it's supposed to be kind of a more complicated workout.

[00:21:12] Switch that, call an audible, call an audible and do something slightly different. Just do something that you like. Um, I always say, uh, you know, things that are in the  whenever you're bummed out. Whenever you're bummed out and you're, you're feeling sad. Think of that nostalgic song that really moved you years ago, that you loved when you were young, when you were a kid.

[00:21:33] Now not some songs, not some breakups or something like that can make you want to drive off the road. Uh, you know, something that, something that you really, uh, enjoy a lot and you'll be surprised what that nostalgia can do for you. Same thing in the gym. We sometimes forget like what attracted us to all of this in the first place we, we were 13 year old kids or 15 year old kids.

[00:21:56] And we looked at our arms, like our arms are kind of puny. I want my arms to be bigger. [00:22:00] So a lot of us trained our arms. So if that, if that floats your boat, if you feel good doing that, then get back in there and start with that one, uh, movement or that one body part that you really love. You'll find yourself in there for like 10, 15 minutes.

[00:22:13] Once the 15 minutes is up. There's no, there's absolutely no chance that you're going to go home after 15 minutes, you're going to be fired up heartbeats going, you got a good song on you. Feel great. Next thing you know, you've finished an hour workout and then trick yourself. You, you mentioned something else.

[00:22:29] That's, that's interesting, right? The people feel like in order to go to the gym and train, they have to do, you know, three sets of this three sets of that three sets of this three sets of that three sets of this. What about just going to the gym and like, we're talking about arms and just doing 15 sets of curls and nothing else, like running the rack.

[00:22:49] Yeah. Isn't that worthwhile? Absolutely. It's totally worthwhile. I'll give you another suggestion. You too, don't even change your clothes. Why, why just, why, why [00:23:00] throw up all these barriers? Why throw up all these you're in your genes, you're in your, uh, your polo, like just fricking wa walk rate, and there's a great video with the ultimate warrior and he talks about, um, he talks about giving you a prescription for your mind.

[00:23:16] He's like, you want the ultimate prescription for your mind. He's like next time you're in your car. He's like, you just got off of work. He goes, make that hard, right. And go right to the gym. Walk through the front, throw your gym bag down. 20 rep sets of squats. Yeah, that'll fix you really quick. I mean, he.

[00:23:35] He's got a great point. Like once you start moving all that stuff, like it just, I got it. It, it just, I got to do that. Yeah. See. And I saw, I started doing that this summer because I would want to always ride the motorcycle and I didn't want to take a gym bag and I, and so I would ride up to the gym, get off the bike, go in and train in my work boots and my jeans.

[00:23:57] And now I go to the gym in street clothes all the time where. [00:24:00] Back in the day I had my, my workout pants and my workout shirt, my bag, and my towel and all that stuff just creates obstacles for you to go, well, I don't have that stuff. I'm just not going to go. Now I just walk into the gym and I trained in whatever I'm wearing.

[00:24:14] And then I get out of there and it's faster. I can train longer instead of going into the locker room, putting my stuff up, locking it up. Now I just go in and get to work. I think that's brilliant. I think more of a should be doing that. I think, uh, you know, excuses reminds me of like, like busing tables.

[00:24:31] Like I worked, I worked at a bar for awhile where I was the bouncer, but we'd also pick up the beer bottles and stuff that were, that were left around. And it reminds me of like, Hey, just, you know, seriously, just take a tray, take all your excuses and pile them up on that tray and throw them in the fucking garbage, like, just get rid, like, get rid of these excuses.

[00:24:49] Let's and think about how many times you do that for other people. When somebody comes to you for advice. They say, Carl look, man, like, I don't know what's going on, but I'm a lot fatter than I want to be in. [00:25:00] And I've tried your diet. I've tried some of the stuff on your, on your show and, uh, You know, I have kids that I got this, this job and they want me working 50 hours a week.

[00:25:10] And you're thinking in your head already, you're a polite guy, so we're not going to shoot the guy down, but you're thinking, okay, kids. Okay. Stressful job has absolutely nothing to do with you being overweight. It is a factor that you throw in there. Okay. I'm compassionate. I understand. Uh, you have some obstacles that are different than the next person, but everyone's got obstacles.

[00:25:31] Everyone's got stuff in the way. Not everybody is really fat, so let's figure this the fuck out. I want to take a break. And when we come back, you did a great talk and I want you to kind of give us the reader's digest version of it. When we come back on the gas station, food analogy. Okay. Because I thought it was fascinating.

[00:25:51] And that's why, I mean, you, you, you are, you, you, you simplify things. And you put this enthusiasm behind it and [00:26:00] it's just very, very effective, I think. So let's do that. We're going to take a quick commercial break. We'll be right back with more of Mark Bell, stay tuned. You're watching and listening to superhuman radio.

[00:26:13] Welcome back walk bell as a superhuman. So, um, we have a comment here and I happen to know it's from Aiden Ray only because, um, I went and looked on Facebook. But th this, uh, platform is squirrely. It blocks people's names. If they have certain privacy settings and stuff, he said, everyone's got a reason not to winners have a reason to, what do you think of that too?

[00:26:40] Harsh? Oh no. It's it's, uh, It's the truth. It's spectacular. You know, we all, we all have excuses. We all have, and we all have weaknesses too, you know? So you might see some of my strengths, you know, unfold in front of you via some of the things that I want to share on Instagram. Like [00:27:00] I'm not going to like post a bunch of my weaknesses.

[00:27:02] You know what I mean? Like you're not, you're not going to really, you're not going to really see a lot of those things, but I kind of am of the belief that everyone has. Uh, unique qualities inside them. I believe actually that everyone has like a divinity to them. Everyone has like, almost like a God-like feature that would shock you.

[00:27:21] Uh, I believe that each person has that. I just think some people, uh, they don't ever get to it for various reasons. Some people grow up in some really unfortunate circumstances and, uh, Because of those unfor unfortunate circumstances, their mind never really shifts towards them thinking that they could really ever make anything of themselves or be special in any sort of way.

[00:27:43] And so you don't ever get to see it. Meanwhile, you got some kids that are five years old and they're playing the piano and doing all these magnificent things and they find these things, uh, at really, really young ages. So I agree with that statement, I think, um, You know, we can all list out a bunch of excuses.

[00:28:00] [00:28:00] I'll give you an example. Like I train with my brother quite a bit and he points out this, uh, the points, this went out quite a bit, but he and I were doing some, uh, incline bench. Um, or are we doing dude, you're doing chess for the day. And the second exercise was some inclined barbell. And I said, um, I said, Oh, it's your it's, it's your set?

[00:28:21] And I said, are you going to go? And he said, I can't do that. Wait. And I said that wasn't my question. And, you know, he was thinking like, I can't do that. Wait. So I'm just going to like go off in the corner and go do whatever else. Like I'm not going to do the rest of the workout with it kind of thing. And I'm just thinking, Hey, look, how easy is it?

[00:28:42] This, this bar bell is designed where we can slide plates on and off the sides of it. Very easy to sneak a little weight off. So, you know, I, I knew what he meant. And so like, as, as he was saying, like, I can't do that weight. I'm pulling the weight off already and switching the weight up, either the workout with me and [00:29:00] just, uh, took his excuse and crumpled it up, threw it in the garbage.

[00:29:03] Another friend of mine owns a bunch of coffee shops out here. Super successful. Makes a ton of money. Uh, but he doesn't have a hold of his fitness. And, um, he's telling me all these different times a day that he's busy, busy, busy, busy. And uh, I said, Hey, um, I didn't really hear like when your day starts sounds like it starts at like six or seven.

[00:29:25] I said, I'll see you tomorrow at the gym at four. And he was like, what? And I said, yeah, I'll see you tomorrow at the gym at four and right away. Because he's a Savage himself. When it comes to business, he knew exactly what I was doing. He had no out and he's like, all right, I'll, I'll see you at four. And you know, reluctantly.

[00:29:44] And we started training together, but we all have to figure out a way we gotta bury these excuses. I I'm, I'm a bitch. Like I, I make excuses. I complain all the time. And, uh, I'm just trying to constantly work on getting better at that. No, that's it. And that's a, that's a lot of honesty, uh, [00:30:00] and people need to know that because, you know, Um, we all run into problems in our lives, in all areas of our lives.

[00:30:07] And we look at the people that we admire and we wonder like, well, I, I bet he doesn't have this problem. Well, he doesn't deal with this. And my father used to have a saying, he used to say, if everybody on our block in Brooklyn threw their problems in the middle of the street. And then we went out there to pick the problems we wanted.

[00:30:28] We'd all come back with our own problems because when you saw what your neighbor's dealing with, you'd be like, Oh no, no, I'll just take, I'll keep my problems. And, you know, we, we really don't think about it. We just think that guys who look up to you and, and, and, and Ron Penna is another example I used to have.

[00:30:46] I used to tell Ron, I used to say, what would Ron do? Like when I got into Jim and business, like, well, what would Ron do? And. The reality is that we all really have all those same problems and we deal with them and we [00:31:00] feel inadequate when we're dealing with them. And if people only understood that it's okay, you still will be successful if you still keep marching forward one step at a time, because we all feel inadequate and like we can't cope or deal with things from time to time.

[00:31:17] Every single one of us. Yes, absolutely. I think Elon Musk just became the, uh, Richest man in the world, I think today or yesterday, I don't know how that happened, but for him jumped, uh, Jeff basis, I think, uh, but you know, Elan Musk, uh, grew up in a horrific fashion. He was abused mentally, physically, sexually.

[00:31:37] Like you want those problems, you know, uh, he was married like five times, you know, like you, you went, he went through a lot, you know, he paid, he paid his dues and, and maybe things are great for him now. You know, maybe things are amazing for him now, and maybe he has smaller problems or less problems, but, you know, I wouldn't want it.

[00:31:53] I wouldn't want to trade my life for the stuff that he had to go through, you know, fuck that, that seems like a pretty, pretty horrible, you know, [00:32:00] Wade Johnson is watching, you know, Wade, right. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. He said smelly with a big explanation report. What do you think about that? Like I know that we all learned about you from bigger, faster, stronger, right?

[00:32:14] You, your brother's amazing li poignant and accurate documentary. Um, and everybody learned that your nickname was smelly. Do people ever walk up to you and call you smelly that like don't have the right to call you smelly? I think I'm like a different kind of a. If I could call myself a celebrity, uh, to some people I think I am, I think I'm like a different kind of celebrity because people will, uh, people will come up to me and like, hug me.

[00:32:45] They're like, Hey man, what's that? Like, they'll hug me as if they, cause I think they feel, they know me because I think of a lot of the things that I share and most of the stuff that when I talk it's a longer format. Uh, it's really rare to find videos of me talking for three [00:33:00] minutes at a time. You're going to find me rambling on and on and on forever.

[00:33:03] And so, uh, yeah, people come up and they're like, what's up smelling and they give me a bit, give me a big hug and then they'll ask me like, Oh, how's Jake and how's Andy and how's Quinn, you know, they asked me about my family and stuff like that. And I'm thinking, man, that's, that's kind of weird, but that's also insanely cool on another, on another level as well.

[00:33:24] Like I have shared all those things and. Maybe I should be a little bit more careful of, uh, all the different things that I, that I choose to share, but I love it. I really do. I think it's great. And, uh, yeah, it's kind of funny when people come up to me and they call me smelly and I'm, you know, 250 pounds, you know, you're thinking like, huh, smelling a little concern.

[00:33:48] I wouldn't be, I've never, I've never, ever referred to you as smelly. And, you know, we've had intimate conversations and it's like, I would never even think, like I grew up where I grew up in Brooklyn [00:34:00] wise guys had nicknames. Nicknames. Yeah. Well, like, like I had a friend named Nikki stitch ass because he walked like somebody stitched the cheeks of his ass together.

[00:34:09] Right. But he, but he, but he was, he was an out and out killer and you didn't call him Nicky stitch asked his face unless. You, uh, you had his permission kind of like unspoken permission because you were close and, and, you know, and I remember being out of the ball one night and some guy walked up and he said, Hey, Nicky, stitch ass.

[00:34:29] And he didn't even hesitate. He slipped, he slapped the guy, open Palm, so hard. The guy just got knocked out. And so I know about. Like there's people with nicknames and, but you have to have like the, uh, the right to call them by that nickname. Or you could end up getting killed and like, I would never ever think.

[00:34:48] Also I think that a lot of those nicknames would created when we were kids to kind of. Keep us in our place almost, you know what I mean? And like, I'm not, I'm not into that. I don't want to keep [00:35:00] anybody in their place. I don't want to hold anybody down. So I would never refer to anybody by their nickname.

[00:35:03] But, you know, I just think it's funny now, wait, I know, you know, because he's part of the power lifting community and he's been a good friend of mine for many, many years. Uh, and I know that he, you know, if he called you smelly, it's probably because he hung out with you and stuff. I always wondered if like people just, and you know, I got to tell you from the other side, I was a huge fan of Howard stern for many years.

[00:35:24] In fact, his show saved my life when I was really the sickest and they would tell me I was going to need a pacemaker. Howard came on the air here in Louisville, Kentucky, and I would wake up every morning at 6:00 AM. Just to listen to him. And I was fortunate enough to actually do work for the show because I had a security company and we did corporate security and Derek, Gary  hired me to do the background checks on like, who wants to marry a porn star guy and all that sort of stuff.

[00:35:51] You know, I used to have conversations in my head with Howard, so I understand it. Like people walk up to you, like they know you because they've actually talked to you in their head. They've [00:36:00] just never talked to you in person, you know? Right. Absolutely. Yeah. And the nickname, uh, you know, as a kid, I just hated taking showers.

[00:36:07] I had two older brothers and, you know, they were like in their teen years and they were, you know, getting into girls and stuff like that. And so they were, they were staying clean and I was staying stinky cause I was like eight or nine years old. Uh, you know, w when you, when somebody, when somebody calls you something.

[00:36:23] You know, and you've probably used to this too, when somebody calls you something and it doesn't bug you like the name doesn't stick. Right. But if you, I about it or if it bugs you, you know, and it used to bug me. And so then they would call it to me. But I, uh, I also like to share with people that, um, you know, I hope people, I hope people, like when I post like a car or house or like some of that shit or crazy sunglasses or a watch or something, I don't take myself very seriously.

[00:36:49] Like, I, those things are like a fun, um, Kind of a side thing that comes along with a lot of the hard work that I've done over the years. I don't really care [00:37:00] about those things. Like I have nice watches and I have some nice things, but I could totally part with them and literally not care at all. I hope that people kind of understand that I'm, um, I don't take myself so seriously.

[00:37:12] I like to have fun, so I don't, I'm never insulted if someone. Calls me smelly or anything else? Really? Yeah, no, I know. Well, you know what? We've kind of gone over the time and I want to address, um, the analogy of gas station food. So let's just answer this last question here and then we'll come back and we'll talk about gas station food.

[00:37:32] So what if you weren't strong anymore? What if something happened and you couldn't train how tied. Is your personality to being strong. You've been so strong for so much of your life. You're world class powerlifter. Now you're an amazing bodybuilder. What you're done with your body now is just remarkable.

[00:37:52] What if one day something happened and you just couldn't train. Do you think you would still find value in yourself? [00:38:00] I think that would be very, very difficult. Uh, if I could do some physical activity, um, that would be. You know, that would be amazing. Um, but if I, if, you know, if I only lost my strength, I wouldn't sweat it.

[00:38:14] Cause I've done that many times, you know, I've torn muscles and things like that. And I've come back a bunch of times and kind of just, I guess, focused in, on something else. And I'm, you know, focused in, on like my body or nutrition or, uh, I I've been a person that has done a decent job. I could do a better job.

[00:38:32] I do a decent job of, uh, Of kind of shifting gears and shifting to new goals. So like, I can get excited about by just about anything I can get excited by getting better blood work done. You and I talk a lot about blood work, um, and I could be like pumped about like, Hey, my vitamin D levels are up. I can be just as excited with that as I am about, you know, a new, uh, bench press PR in terms of like a, you know, kind of kissing the strength stuff.

[00:38:57] Goodbye. I I've, I've already done that. You know, I've already, [00:39:00] like, I will never be that strong again. Um, I don't even know if I'll ever the feeling and feels I had, you know, lifting some of the weights that I did. Uh, those are exceptional times and I just don't think I'll ever repeat that or ever feel anything S uh, of that significance ever again.

[00:39:21] And I think maybe it might be a little bit similar to when I invented the Slingshot. Even though I have some things right now that are absolutely amazing and I'm super excited about, I think that's like a one-time thing, you know, like you hear these musicians and great actors and stuff saying, Hey, look, I only got one Rocky in me, or I only have, you know, one of this particular song in me and I kind of feel.

[00:39:46] The same. I'll still strive and try to, you know, try to get that next, uh, that next big one. But, um, I think a lot of that's behind me and I feel, I feel great cause I have other focuses now my kids, my business, you know, the [00:40:00] part of the reason why I pushed so hard, it's not really just for me, cause it's not just about me.

[00:40:04] There's a lot of great people around me and I want to see them succeed. I want to see them to be able to get, get more. So I know, I know that about you. I we're going to take a quick commercial break. And when we come back, we're going to talk about gas station food. And what can we talk about your new shake?

[00:40:20] Absolutely. Okay. Stay tuned. We'll be right back. Welcome back. I'm having a coughing fit.

[00:40:29] Terrible allergies trying to cough. Yeah, no, I used to get that a lot. Um, what is, uh, what is the analogy that you gave. Uh, when you spoke about it, I'm sorry. That's okay. When you spoke about, um, gas station food. Yeah. Um, so I I've, I've talked many times about, um, being able to reeducate your [00:41:00] taste buds, being able to reeducate your palette and yeah.

[00:41:06] You know, a lot of times people are like, man, like I really don't like that food. You know, I don't like these healthy foods. Like I got to go on a diet. So I think as soon as they think diet, they could think, and they're thinking sacrifice, they're thinking failure. They're thinking about all the times they tried to eat those fat-free whatevers and they hate them.

[00:41:26] Or they're thinking about the sugar-free, whatever they ate. And they shit, their pants or whatever happened to him. Um, there's a lot of, there's a lot of food that we just kind of think that we have to part with whenever we, uh, whenever we're going to switch gears. But I think a lot of us are desensitized to how things actually taste.

[00:41:45] Like I think, you know, it's debatable on what tastes good. You know, people have different, they literally have different tastes, buds, different, uh, we're built differently and so forth. And so we think different things. Tastes good. But if you were to every, [00:42:00] like an almond, a raw almond with no salt on it, not roasted nothing, um, it has very particular flavor to it.

[00:42:08] And you could, you would, if you were to describe an almond, so it's just a single ingredient. Just one thing it's just an almond, you would probably give like 15 different words to try to describe that almond. I think that some of us are so desensitized. To where we would eat that almond that's plain. It has nothing on it.

[00:42:29] And we wouldn't really notice that you'd say, Hey, what does that taste like? And somebody that eats gas station food all the time, right. Uh, would kind of be like, it tastes like nothing. And then you'd say, well, what do you mean? Like a taste? Like nothing tastes like water and they'd be like, no, it doesn't really taste like water, but you get my point here is like, uh, and, and you, and we, we see this big time.

[00:42:50] We see this big time with bodybuilders. A bodybuilder would go through a body building prep and a bodybuilder will swear to you that these certain things tastes [00:43:00] amazing. Yeah. Like oatmeal, like plain, like plain oatmeal. They're like, Oh my God. Yeah. Plain oatmeal tastes so good. Oh, they, they flip out they're like oatmeal tastes.

[00:43:09] Awesome. I got one friend, uh, Ben Bakowski who would try to claim that Apple cider vinegar tastes amazing. People were like, dude, you're out of your mind, Apple cider vinegar tastes like garbage. And when he retired from bodybuilding, he now admits that Apple cider vinegar tastes disgusting. Right. Um, but you got it.

[00:43:28] And this is something you have to really work at. Like, it takes a long time to kind of. Uh, retrain your taste buds. And so if you're used to going to the gas station all the time and having that, uh, you know, seven, 11, uh, thing, that's unrecognizable, dude. I, so when I was, when I was a fat bastard, I used to go and I used to buy those.

[00:43:45] They were on that rotisserie thing spinning all day long, those hotdogs that are injected with a jalapeno and cheese, I would get like three or four of them and I would eat them. They were disgusting. Now that I couldn't eat one of those today, I couldn't eat one. [00:44:00] Oh, yeah. Yeah, you would, you would feel like you're gonna die if you were to eat one, you know, and so trying to get yourself, trying to wean yourself away from some of those foods, but, um, also recognize there's many different diets out there, so you can try different things and still have things that have a lot of pop and have a lot of flavor.

[00:44:16] What I've noticed and something that people might want to keep in mind is that like ketogenic style diet, or a low carb diet. Is, uh, you know, higher in fat and more savory foods. And I, in my opinion, you get an opportunity to have some better flavors, but a lower style of fat diet. You sometimes end up with pretty good textures because you do get some starches here and there, you get like a combination of rice and chicken.

[00:44:43] And so pick, you know, pick you, pick your side, you know, and you don't have to pick one forever. Like I go back and forth between a bodybuilding style diet and a carnival style diet. I kind of. Flip-flop them. And, you know, just, there's a lot of great options in terms of, uh, foods to still be excited about.

[00:45:00] [00:45:00] I guarantee you that each person listening right now can think of four or five foods that they really enjoy that are, that are still helping them towards their goal. It takes about two weeks and my, and my personal experience to retrain you to, like, I'm doing it right now. Like I'm eating, um, I'm eating baked chicken.

[00:45:20] With nothing but salt, a couple broccoli florets and, uh, and a quarter cup of, uh, cook, uh, Jasmine or a boss, Marty rice. And when I first started doing this two weeks ago, I, now I look forward to every meal. I like the rice tastes good. The broccoli tastes good. It takes about two weeks. You got to give it two weeks for your body to go, Oh, this is the new normal we got to get used to this.

[00:45:44] This is good. Yeah. And people know, you'll know you're in trouble. If, uh, you have food that goes bad in your fridge. If you have meat that goes bad in your fridge, that's a good sign. Like your, your taste buds aren't really like, you should be able to eat leftovers, like [00:46:00] be eating leftovers should be like, uh, it doesn't have to be, but it should be part of your lifestyle, I believe in order to be lean and be healthy because you should be used to having that prep food that you just microwave in in a minute or two.

[00:46:13] Um, but a lot of times, if you were to eat like a burrito or you're eat something off plan, um, that's when you get into that situation where you're like, yeah, I don't really feel like eating that steak. I don't really feel like eating that chicken breast. It's sitting in the fridge. Right, right now, for those of us who want to turn to things that tastes good, but they fit in our, our, our meal plan.

[00:46:34] You're coming out with a new, a new, a new protein shake. Right. Yeah, I'm excited. This is the first, uh, that we're mentioning it on this podcast right here. Um, I'm starting a supplement brand is called within you and within use for, or supplement that we're rolling out is something called a steak shake. So it has, uh, it has beef protein.

[00:46:57] It has collagen, it has whey [00:47:00] protein. And in addition to that, It has heart and liver and kidneys and it tastes good. Um, so the last part about it tasting good. I know the people listening right now. Like there's no fucking way that tastes good. Uh, but we did a great job. I mean, it, it, it doesn't, um, it doesn't taste like the original muscle milk formula.

[00:47:21] I'll tell you that it doesn't taste that good, but it does taste good. It is a, it does taste like a chocolate whey protein shake. We did a great job with that and we'll be releasing that. Uh, probably in February. So we got a few more, just a few more weeks. It'll come probably just a little bit after a world carnivore month and that'll be rolling out a bunch of supplements, uh, throughout 2021, but that's the first one out of the gate.

[00:47:45] And I'm expecting that thing to just go bananas. I didn't know it had heart in it that I loved. So that hearkens back to. The early days of physical culture, where guys like Armand Tanny, Vince Jarana Jacqueline Lane, they were eating hard. They were [00:48:00] going to the stockyards in California and they were buying fresh blood that was just let out of the cows.

[00:48:05] And they were mixing it with raw cream. That, that whole thing hearkens back to the beginnings of the nutritional, uh, eh, uh, styles of eating of all of the physical. Is that why you put it in there? Absolutely. And I'm a big believer, like the name of the brand is called within you. So like, while I do enjoy supplements, I love taking vitamins and minerals and then getting my blood work back and seeing the improvements and seeing my improvements in the gym and performance wise and stuff.

[00:48:34] But I'm also a big believer that if you get out of your body's own way and you eat things that you're supposed to eat, that the human body can heal itself, repair itself and do a lot of great, wonderful things for itself. It all already lies within you. And it's, it's your job to figure out ways of kind of unlocking these things.

[00:48:52] Uh, however, with that being said, there are people that like to push that, like to do that extra training session, uh, that liked to go after it [00:49:00] at an intense rate. And so sometimes it might be necessary to add something in, to give you a little bit more oomph and to give you a little bit, uh, but yeah, adding the heart and things like that, it just made sense, especially with all the ancestral talk that's been going on and, uh, all the, uh, signs of things pointing to, you know, how good liver and kidney and heart and things like that are for you.

[00:49:22] I'm like, Hey, let's figure, you know, a lot of people are making like capsules and things like that. And that seems like a. Well, that's a fantastic idea, but I think, uh, having an a shake is a better idea. Yeah. Cause it tastes good. It tastes good. You make you look forward to having it and probably your kids will even like it.

[00:49:37] So go figure that one out to have it. Yeah. Which is hard. Sometimes liver is tough. Liver is a tough one to eat. I don't know if you enjoy it, but I love liver. I eat liverwurst at least once a week. Uh, and I actually ate liverwurst everyday for about. Um, six weeks and I noticed amazing increases in strength at that period of my life.

[00:49:56] Wow. Yeah. Look, it's always, yeah, it's [00:50:00] great to have you on the show. I look forward to the day that, excuse me, this is the worst nightmare of somebody who hosts a podcast that I am having a choking episode. I look forward to hanging out with you. That's how I want them to say. Oh, I know it's crazy. Like we've never, it seems like, uh, you've seem like a family member to me.

[00:50:20] We never actually met each other. All right. Well look, thanks for being here today. Good luck with the steak shake, uh, and, uh, and, and everything that you do. Okay, great. Thank you so much. I can't wait to have you on my show, which is coming up, I think in like a week, February. All right. Talk to you later, brother.

[00:50:35] That'd be right. Yep. Later on. All right, we're going to take a quick commercial break. We're going to carry on this discussion actually about a supplement. That may actually be what we need for our telomeres. Remember telomeres. We started talking about that years and years ago. Well, you're going to find this fascinating, this, uh, this obscure little amino acid may be the answer, uh, to protecting telomere length, stay tuned.

[00:50:58] We'll be right back. [00:51:00] Welcome back to superhuman radio. We're joined by Dr. Priscilla, Samuel. Welcome to the show Dr. Samuel. And you are with, uh, blue, California. Is that correct? Correct. Oh, we can't hear you. Uh, your audio is not coming through. Are you muted? There we go. That's better. There we go. Um, you are with blue California.

[00:51:26] Tell, tell us what, what is blue California? Um, yes. Uh, thanks for having me on your show. I'm Dr. Priscilla, Samuel. Um, and I serve as the chief science officer for blue, California. Um, the blue California is an ingredients manufacturer, uh, of ingredients manufacturer of science-based ingredients that go go into numerous different, uh, avenues, um, food beverage, dietary supplements, uh, personal care, as well as the cosmetic industry.

[00:51:56] Okay. And, uh, recently you published a study [00:52:00] on something called ergo thinning. Am I pronouncing that right? Or go thianine pioneer. Uh, and this is an amino acid. It's not, it's not something our bodies produce. Correct? That is correct. So we have to get it from outside sources. Right. Okay. Um, so, so. And, and your research was done on telomeres.

[00:52:22] And we know that telomeres became in Vogue about a decade way to go. Uh, it was thought that, uh, the telomere length was indicative of lifespan. Uh, some of that research has shifted to not necessarily the, uh, Frank length of the telomere, as much as how fast it is degrading as an indicator. Uh, can you, can you clear up what, what the, uh, current state of science is about telomeres?

[00:52:52] Yeah. Sure. Um, so tell him your length is considered a mocker of cellular aging. Um, and you're right. It [00:53:00] has been historically looked at, uh, for longevity, life length, et cetera. Uh, however, it has been more and more also associated with a bunch of different chronic diseases. Um, and, uh, you know, that we are well familiar with cardiovascular disease, diabetes, et cetera.

[00:53:17] Um, and so telomere shortening, um, has, uh, Has gained a fair amount of, uh, focus and interest. And that is what we also looked at in this particular in vitro study, uh, with Oregon tiny. Okay. Now the other thing about telomeres, just so the audience understands, I'm going to try to give the reader's digest version of how I think of what they, what they do.

[00:53:45] The telomeres are strands at the end of our DNA, they're actually toolbox or tools or parts. So as the DNA replicates again and again, uh, it may become damaged and the DNA poles [00:54:00] replacement parts from the telomere to repair the DNA. Is that, is that accurate? Yeah. So, um, tell him yours, uh, sort of these protective little end caps, uh, at the end of our chromosomes, um, much like, um, what we, you know, the little plastic tips at the end of shoelaces, right?

[00:54:19] Um, so they protect the chromosomes from frame, um, during the cell cycle. So DNA. Um, you know, basically replicate, uh, numerous times and the telomeres protect, uh, those of the frame, but also protect, uh, from the loss of valuable genetic information, uh, during those different cell divisions. Uh, they themselves don't necessarily code for anything.

[00:54:45] Uh, but they protect the losses of, uh, genetic information during those different and multiple cell divisions. So the are pretty critical. Um, now they do, uh, naturally shortened over time, but it [00:55:00] appears that, uh, from various research that we have to date that the sign shows that you can influence. That shortening rate and therefore the Televisa length itself.

[00:55:11] Now when shortening reaches a critical size, the cells kind of become a citizen or inactive. Um, and, uh, you know, one wants to prolong that, um, cell life and, um, you know, reduce the rate of shortening. Okay. And then the discovery of telomere race, an enzyme that seems to protect the telomeres from shortening was discovered.

[00:55:38] And then that was all the rage, a straggler lists, uh, TA 65. All these companies were promoting, uh, certain, uh, uh, uh, plant based products that was supposed to increase telomere race. But, but I don't think that I don't think the science on those. Particular product really worked out. Did [00:56:00] it. Uh, yes. I mean, I think we're still understanding a fair amount about, uh, telomere race.

[00:56:07] Um, you know, and you're right. Uh, basically tell them race is the enzyme that's responsible for adding the DNA sequences. Um, and what we did find in our, uh, in vitro studies, we looked at telomeres as well, um, separately, and we did find a nice study that telomeres. Uh, was actually increased, um, by about 50 to 90% across the different doses that we studied, um, at 24 through 24 to 48 hours, which was, which we think may be, if not only responsible for the results that we saw in this in vitro study.

[00:56:39] Okay. So now let's talk about ergo thianine. Um, first of all, anything with the word ergo on the front to me means, uh, energy exercise. Uh it's it's it's Latin, uh, for, for exercises and not a or movement or something like that, right? Yes. [00:57:00] Okay. So originally when ergo w when was ergo, theonine actually discovered.

[00:57:07] Or the thing was, um, discovered several decades ago. Uh, they have a fair amount of research, uh, back in the fifties, sixties and seventies. And then, uh, there wasn't as much in between until a baby about a decade ago. Uh, so, uh, now there has been, uh, quite a flood of, uh, research on theonine Ergodyne, um, and, um, in numerous different funds.

[00:57:32] A fair amount of the work is observational. Uh, we are aware of some clinical studies that are ongoing on different fronts. Uh, but as you were earlier pointing out, um, it's this obscure little, uh, amino acid that, uh, not a lot of people, uh, know about. Uh, it is, uh, naturally. Uh, you know, it is the, it is basically the start of our research and it is a naturally occurring, uh, [00:58:00] amino acid, which interestingly has amino acid.

[00:58:03] Uh, you know, this amino acid, interestingly has antioxidant properties, um, found, um, across. Um, almost all cells and tissues in the body from some research that was done, um, and, um, it different levels. And it appears that maybe the significant role that it has is in its antioxidant capacity. Um, so it's a pretty unique amino acid in that sense.

[00:58:29] Since, although it's a pure and not as very well known, uh, there is more and more evidence that is, uh, becoming, uh, known about . Um, and in fact, one of the unique things about  is that it actually has a specific transporter. So the human body has a transporter for Ergodyne simply call the Oregon mining transporter.

[00:58:54] Um, it is specific to, or the dining and due to the growing evidence [00:59:00] on  role in the body, as well as the fact that that is the sense of sensuality for a specific transporter in the human body. Right. Uh, you know, researchers and experts have suggested that orga tiny should even be defined as a legitimate city as a longevity vitamin in fact, Dr.

[00:59:19] Bruce Ames, who was a guest on my show in 2008, we covered the first research on a, on a 100 year old lab dye called methylene blue and how it was effective at reversing. Alzheimer's disease. Uh, and so he was on my show in 2008. He's a fantastic man. He's also, uh, the person who created the way we score, uh, cancer causing agents.

[00:59:45] Um, a brilliant man. He he's the one who first said it was, uh, uh, should be considered a longevity vitamin the fact that we have a transporter. Is even more fascinating because this means to some degree and correct [01:00:00] me, uh, from an evolutionary perspective, uh, it was important to us and we had access to it in order for our body to have, uh, and coded where you w if you will, or bio generated a transport.

[01:00:16] Right. But the fact that we have a transport transporter, four means it's, it's not just some, Oh, you know, we don't have to worry about that. It means it's important to our body. Yes. And th and you're absolutely right about Dr. Bruce Ames. He was the one who suggested that it be called the LUNGevity vitamin.

[01:00:33] And, and yes, the fact that our body actually has a specific, I mean, the fact that we have, you know, a specific transporter for it, um, has really gained a lot of interest and curiosity, uh, in the scientific space for why that's the case. And scientists are certainly beginning and. To explore that more fully on multiple different fronts.

[01:00:56] Um, and, uh, hopefully in the coming years, we'll understand more [01:01:00] about that. But, um, you know, the sensuality of that transporter is central to the uniqueness of  and why our bodies might require it. So, uh, ergo thianine, uh, is something that, uh, throughout evolution we have, um, gathered and consumed. In our diet from a variety of foods.

[01:01:22] Talk about your research. What kind of doses did you use, uh, in the research that you did and, and what can we learn from what may be optimal for the human being? Yeah. I can not some of those questions, but not all. So, uh, we, this was an in vitro study, um, and it's really the first of its kind. In terms of telomeres.

[01:01:43] Um, it's the first study to look at, uh, telomeres and order timing. Uh, we look at a 0.3 to one milligram per mil concentrations, uh, in the cells. Um, and, um, with regards to what are those doses and, you know, [01:02:00] why are those doses relevant? Um, those doses are in fact relevant in the context of they are. Uh, reflective of physiological levels that we see, uh, in the human cells and tissues.

[01:02:13] However, to your third question, what dose do we think, you know, sort of maybe important as the future? I believe we do need more clinical studies, um, you know, to understand, um, more effective grocers or with dining that might actually be influential, uh, be it, uh, cognition or heart disease or any other disease that we might look at.

[01:02:37] Do you take it now by any chance? Uh, yes. Uh, it is available in, um, yeah, I saw that. What, what, so what dose do you take? Just curious, uh, it's a point it's a five milligram dose that is available. So five to 10 milligram dose, uh, is, uh, something that, uh, people would normally take the people. I know that especially, [01:03:00] uh, at our company and also, uh, the ones that, uh, we, uh, produce based on what we produce.

[01:03:05] Do you think that it would be wise to stack it with ashwagandha Natasha gun with a straggle list of stragglers has, uh, some research on it and its ability to increase telomere race. Uh, do you think that it would be wise to take them together? Um, I tried necessarily speak to that combination because, uh, I don't believe they've actually been studied together.

[01:03:32] Uh, it's possible, uh, you know, that, um, the, the two along with other nutrients in the diets, such as Omega threes, vitamin E C a D a other. Uh, nutrients that have been found to influence, uh, a telomere length or have been either associated, uh, with telomere length. There are a few intervention studies along those lines as well.

[01:03:54] Um, so I would say, you know, for one who is interested in, uh, protecting [01:04:00] telomeres, uh, and telomere length and, uh, its possible effect and potential effect on healthy aging inclusivity, uh, current, you know, it's influenced on chronic disease. Um, I believe a healthy diet with some of these nutrients, uh, in them either from dietary sources or from supplement, the sources would be a good idea.

[01:04:18] I think in today's environment with people as we were just talking with the Mark Bell, um, a moment ago about diet in general. And the reality is that most of our diets have been, um, co-opted to one degree or another because of, uh, I, you know, A deer knows what to eat. If a deer is in the woods, they know what to eat.

[01:04:41] Wild animals know what to eat. Humans. We've forgotten what to eat because we have been, um, uh, we've been, uh, growing crops so that we don't have to go out and hunt and gather anymore. So it's hard for us to instinctively know what is good to eat. And the other thing is [01:05:00] that most of us. Uh, eat far less than we should, because we are less active than we should be.

[01:05:06] Uh, I want to, I want to make sure that people understand, I'm not suggesting that everybody be obese. We used to be more at the idea that we have to wear a wristwatch to remind us to get 10,000 steps. Today's shows us how off we are when a, a baby who's just learned to walk will get 20,000 steps in a day and they don't have to wear a wristwatch to remind them, you know, um, our ancestors.

[01:05:27] Worked and walked all day long from sunup to sundown. And today we sit for most of that time. So I'm not suggesting people eat more, but the reality is that we're not consuming. You know, we're consuming 2000 calories a day. Uh, and, and when you don't have the ability to eat. Lots and lots of Bulleit or oyster mushrooms, uh, which seemed to be the highest in this unique amino acid.

[01:05:50] So the reality of trying to get it from your diet in today's context would be difficult. So I think supplementation is the only way to go. The five to 10 [01:06:00] milligrams doesn't sound like a lot. Um, Is there any anecdotal evidence in any groups of humans that have been exposed to this amino acid long-term and what we know about their telomeres?

[01:06:15] Yeah. So there is evidence in the literature, a fair amount of the literature, uh, is observational data, uh, from different parts of the globe. Um, and it has been, um, higher intakes of it, uh, in the range of. Uh, 10 milligrams and some studies higher, um, have been, um, found to be associated with a reduced risk of cancer, reduced risk of cardiovascular disease and also improved, um, uh, cognition.

[01:06:46] So as you age, uh, beyond the age of 60 to 80, et cetera, Once cognition, uh, typically, uh, tends to, uh, be in a bit more diminished. And it has been found that those with [01:07:00] higher levels of Ergodyne in their blood. So we don't know what the intakes were at higher levels in the blood have been associated with, uh, better, um, cognition.

[01:07:11] Um, and so that's a very interesting area as well, that continues to be, uh, pursued, um, and is quite intriguing. Um, and it's interesting that you brought up the issue of diet and, uh, activity because I mean the most recent dietary guidelines, the 20, 20 to 2025, uh, you know, us dietary guidelines, um, Notes that about half the us adult population has one or more chronic diseases.

[01:07:37] And these chronic diseases are those that are related to poor diets, uh, you know, in activity in terms of activity. Um, and, um, you know, yet again, the dietary guidelines certainly promote a variety of healthy foods. I mean, not only to get the nutrients we need, but also, uh, those that are beneficial to. Uh, promoting [01:08:00] health, um, and reducing and preventing the rate of progression of these diseases.

[01:08:04] So there's a fair amount of focus on that in these most recent dietary guidelines for the deaf adjust released. Um, and so in that context, I would say, um, you know, org assigning, um, as it continues to have more evidence for it, as it relates to, uh, improving and supporting health, uh, would be something that.

[01:08:24] Benefit for those people to include in their diet. And you're right. It is difficult to get a high levels of it, unless you're a very high mushroom eater or w eats a lot of money. Liver liver, liver is another one that contains it. Is li is it possible that it's stored in the liver and that's why the liver contains it?

[01:08:48] Yes, it's actually found in almost all cells and tissues in the body. Okay. Um, so, so yes, uh, you know, it is a reason why we find them in, uh, [01:09:00] sources of liver and meats as well. But only there only certain types of fungi and bacteria that actually make a refining, uh, and that's how it gets into our food supply.

[01:09:11] Um, and so, um, there are certain parts of Europe where they do eat a fair amount of these certain specific high orbit dining containing. Uh, mushrooms that have higher intakes of , uh, and then certain, uh, Southeast Asian populations also that have certain types of mushrooms in their diet. But, uh, for the most part then, uh, folks who don't consume these foods have very low intakes of Ergodyne.

[01:09:35] So it is something that one would have to either get through foods and beverages are four to five. Well, if someone is listening to your show and they have a supplement company, can they reach out to you if they think they want to start to include ergo thianine in one of their supplement blends.

[01:09:52] Absolutely. Um, they could go to our website, which is www, uh, blue [01:10:00] cow, uh, dash ingredients, uh, dot.com. There is a white paper that we have on org design in there, and they can set the, uh, there's a way for them to contact us for more information with regards to the timing as well. And do you sell direct to the public also, or?

[01:10:15] No? Uh, we at blue California don't necessarily sell directly to the public. So, so you're, you're more, uh, you could sell to manufacturers, but not to the individuals. And as you said, it is available on the market today. So that's, that's good to note. Um, I find that fascinating. I, one last question. Is there any evidence.

[01:10:38] That , uh, if used in adequate doses for long enough period of time can not just halt, uh, the shortening of telomeres, but increase their length. Almost reverse the clock. If you will. Yeah, that's a fascinating question. Um, so in this particular in vitro study with new [01:11:00] California's, uh, or go active or the training, uh, we found that under oxidative stress conditions, so under oxidative conditions, um,  reduced the rate of shortening.

[01:11:12] It also resulted in a longer median length. Of the telomeres. And it also reduced the percentage of short telomeres at both eight weeks, as well as at four weeks with the study period was eight weeks. Um, in order to see, uh, longer what we did not see necessarily, um, was longer telomeres. What we saw was the preservation.

[01:11:41] Of tenure length. Um, so together all of those results certainly suggest that Oregon dining might help preserve and protect the length of  telomeres. Um, and that in itself is very valuable because as part of the natural process, [01:12:00] telomeres do shorten, uh, over time through the multiple cell divisions. So to protect their length would be key.

[01:12:07] Um, increasing their length. I'm not aware of a lot of research that actually has shown that per se. But again, as I mentioned earlier, uh, more clinical researchers needed, uh, you know, clinical trial researchers needed to show and to look at that as well. Uh, Robert Thompson, I wanna, uh, I've just put his comment up yesterday.

[01:12:26] We were talking about mushrooms. There's some evidence that people eat mushrooms end up having a higher fungal overload. Um, so I was saying that I've gotten away from eating mushrooms as have some other, uh, people that are following this research. And he, so he, I said yesterday, mushrooms were bad today.

[01:12:43] Mushrooms are good. I'm not suggesting mushrooms are good while oyster mushrooms and Bulleit mushrooms. Uh, highest and ergo thianine that first one right there. Liver is an important one. And something else that the doctor said, um, uh, was that all tissue, [01:13:00] uh, has, uh, some amount of ergo thianine in it. So I would argue that muscle tissue from cows have Ergodyne in it.

[01:13:06] And maybe that is why we talked about a study in 2018 that showed that beef. They studied, uh, six foods and. Nine, um, vegetables. Uh, and the only thing that lengthened telomeres was the beef. And I'm going to find that link and I'm going to post it on Facebook later. And I would suggest that the reason that beef.

[01:13:38] Increased telomere length was because of the concentration of ergo thianine in it. Just, just shooting in the dark. I didn't know about Ergodyne back then. So I am not suggesting that people go out and eat mushrooms. Um, uh, we talked about this yesterday on the show, just casually that there is a mounting body of evidence that, uh, people carry high, fungal loads.

[01:14:00] [01:14:00] They end up with neuropathies. They end up with a bunch of diseases that are considered diseases of modernity that we now know that ALS a study was just published. That shows that ALS has now been linked to a fungal infection in the brain. And most likely comes from inhaling. Uh, these, uh, these fun guy that get it right into the brain, you know, as we learn more and more about fungus, we learned that it's not our friend, um, at least not in high loads as you get older.

[01:14:30] Uh, things like LL three seven, uh, and other antifungals in the body, uh, start to wane and fungi can overtake the body faster than when you're young. Also high sugar diets contribute to this as well, but I am not suggesting that people run out any mushrooms, eat liver instead. And I have a funny feeling that if somebody went back.

[01:14:51] And looked at the beef study that we talked about in 2018, they may find out that there was a higher degree of ergo thianine in those people's blood who ate a lot of beef. [01:15:00] Just, just saying, just saying, you know, the problem with science. Is, it's never one thing and it's never black and white. It's not even gray.

[01:15:12] And, and to, uh, to, to think that this one thing or that one thing is all you need is an insult to the complexity of the human body. The human body is so complex beyond our wildest dreams. We're learning every day. Now the microbiome is all. The rage. And does it affect health or is it, uh, is it a watermark of what's going wrong?

[01:15:35] I mean, so I am not suggesting you go out and eat mushrooms, Robert, but I am suggesting that you pay attention to ergo thianine and probably in a supplement better, uh, than trying to eat a bunch of oyster mushrooms every single day, just to guess. Cause you know, with oyster mushrooms, you have other problems, right?

[01:15:51] You have contaminants, you have, uh, you don't have to worry about organic when it comes to mushrooms because they literally grow overnight. So there's no need for [01:16:00] pesticides. Uh, quite often, fungicides will kill them. Think about that. Uh, and so, you know, I'm not suggesting that, but there are other things that ride along.

[01:16:09] If you start eating a lot of. Mushrooms, who knows? Maybe you're going to get a zinc overload or a copper overload. I think supplements work better when we learn this kind of stuff. I think take five to 10 milligrams a day and cover your basis. That's it. What do you think about that statement, doctor? Sure.

[01:16:25] Um, and I think in  in particular, um, the levels in the U S diet are really, really low. I mean, we're talking about one to two milligrams in the diet, um, you know, and so. Uh, getting it with the typical us diet would be difficult, um, unless one changes the diet dramatically. So I would think, I would say that a supplemental source is, is a doable and, uh, something that could be recommended.

[01:16:54] Uh, certainly, um, even though we are still in need of. With additional [01:17:00] clinical research, randomized clinical studies and more research there certainly appears to be a fair amount of observational data that certainly points to orbit dining as being, um, having an important role, uh, potential role that we will continue to learn more about.

[01:17:15] And so, um, you know, starting with five to 10 milligrams today, uh, until we know and have a better idea of what those doses might actually be, as most studies are done, um, I think is a reasonable. Uh, level, uh, those are actually in the ballpark of doses that are consumed in some parts of Europe, um, with the diet, but they have a very different diet.

[01:17:36] Um, and so that's certainly a, you know, something to definitely keep in mind because oxidative stress and inflammation are certainly known to affect telomere length. Um, and also conditions in our body that create more, uh, such as diabetes, cardiovascular disease, hyper glycemia, hypertension, all of these Korean movement, more oxidative, stress and inflammation.

[01:17:59] So [01:18:00] protecting the body from this with a variety and a healthy variety of foods and a healthy diet, uh, is certainly a cornerstone, uh, to one's lifestyle and as needed. Um, you know, because the other thing that we do know from the research is that, um, lack of exercise, uh, smoking, uh, high amounts of alcohol, um, stress, all of these also affect telomere length.

[01:18:24] Um, so a healthy diet and physical activity, uh, certainly is very important. Yeah, he's funny. He said flame broiled beef, double Whopper, $3 offer at burger King, half pound beef. I don't know if it's all beef, to be honest with you, but. Yeah. Uh, th th the, the study we talked about, I'm going to dig it up and put it up on Facebook for you, Robert, I don't know if we're friends on Facebook, but I'll tag you.

[01:18:45] Um, it's it was fascinating. It just shows that beef is not bad for you. Listen, Dr. Samuel, I want to thank you so much for making time to come on the show today. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate you having me and also your interest in organizing [01:19:00] and the telomeres. And I look forward to hopefully being on your show in the future.

[01:19:03] When we have more researches, I would love that. I love it. Love it. Love it. Thank you so much. You take care. Thank you, goodbye. And that's it for today's show. Uh, Mark. Bella is great. Isn't he? I love Mark. Uh, and this is good research. Anything that improves telomere length or keeps them from getting.

[01:19:21] Shorter faster will help you in the long run. You don't want senescence cells. We've been talking about senescent cells for a long time. In fact, I took my six milligrams of rapid myosin. Today. I take six milligrams once a week. Uh, those senescent cells and check twice a year, I take a Zithromycin, uh, which really gets rid of senescent cells very quickly.

[01:19:44] And of course, One bout of heavy resistance training, reduces senescent cells and muscle tissue by 60%, uh, that quickly. So get into the gym, gym, gym, and train. Do your cardio in the morning. Try your 10 minute walks like Mark was talking [01:20:00] about. I think I'm going to go take a 10 minute walk right after I shut the camera off and then come back and finish my duties.

[01:20:06] Stay active. That's the key. That is the key stay active. And it makes up for a lot of mistakes that you make really, really does. All right. Share. Today's show help people out. It's 2021. Let's rock and roll. We'll see everybody tomorrow. Oh, Dave Paulson. Ella's coming on tomorrow. The comeback kid, his story is fascinating.

[01:20:27] You want to be inspired state, stay here for tomorrow. Show be here for tomorrow. Show. Well, Sierra by tomorrow. Thank you for being here today. [01:21:00] .