[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] Hey, Hey, welcome back to another episode of superhuman radio. Today is December 17th, 2020. The year is skidding into home plate and, um, we have a different kind of a show today. We're going to be talking about something a little more philosophical, uh, than we usually do. We're going to talk about the intersect between science and spirituality.

[00:00:23] Uh, it's going to be a fascinating discussion. I can promise you because the guy that I've chosen to do this interview is pure scientist, but he's also a very spiritual person. And, uh, this, this show was prompted because I see lots of people posting on Facebook, uh, asking for prayers for things that.

[00:00:42] Appear to some of us. And maybe those of you who kind of think this way have realized that manageable through actionable steps, uh, as part of personal responsibility and taking steps on your own and maybe not praying. So we're gonna, we're going to kind of explore this a little bit [00:01:00] later in the show.

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[00:01:59] Joel Greene: [00:01:59] Hey [00:02:00] Carl. Good man. Good. Thank you. Thank you for having me, Helen. Good to see you.

[00:02:03] Carl Lanore: [00:02:03] So, um, You're a scientist. I mean, you are very precise. You look for research to support your opinions.

[00:02:16] Um, you're the, you're the guy who coined the term baby talk, uh, to illustrate that we oversimplify everything. You know, the, you know, you know, fat is bad, you know, carbs are good, all that sort of stuff. And. But something I never realized about you early in our relationship until midway through you're a very spiritual person as well.

[00:02:39] Right?

[00:02:40] Joel Greene: [00:02:40] Uh, I mean, yeah. Um, I, I get literal lists when it comes to words. Um, yeah, so, but it's an interesting path I like got there. Um, I wasn't, for most of my life, I was actually raised a Buddhist, believe it or not. And I grew up, uh, chanting. [00:03:00] I grew up with, uh, incense and a gong and a bell and chanting.

[00:03:05] Carl Lanore: [00:03:05] So you telling me, I may have passed you in the airport one time?

[00:03:08] No, no. That's that's the harder crusade is I'm just going to with like tough

[00:03:14] Joel Greene: [00:03:14] LA uh, no, uh, yeah, so I, I was, uh, I was an atheist, hardcore art gracias theist. In fact, I was, I was, um, I was like anti whatever culture was at the time. And now oddly, still find myself there. Um, when I was five, like we were raised to like, uh, mock, like oral Roberts, you know, on Sunday.

[00:03:41] You know, on the television and I'd be, I was like a five-year-old kid I'd be sending on. Yeah. Yeah. And I know that

[00:03:46] Carl Lanore: [00:03:46] your phonics

[00:03:48] Joel Greene: [00:03:48] make money five-year-old kid. And I was just, you know, I was, I was a hardcore, hardcore atheist through college and you know, all that. So it took me a very, very, very long lunch, whole time to come to [00:04:00] God.

[00:04:00] And, um, long it was, you know, a lot of the objections I had were science. Like science-based like, like really that's for me, probably like what I couldn't get past for years. So, um, And ironically, it was actually the science that got me there, but essentially, yeah. So it's a quick, quick background

[00:04:17] Carl Lanore: [00:04:17] and then you, you go to church right.

[00:04:19] Pretty regularly, right? That's something you enjoy doing.

[00:04:23] Joel Greene: [00:04:23] Uh, yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, we live in a, you know, I'll just say it it's taken me so long to really understand all this stuff. Like most of my life to really like really get it and get it past what I thought it was and then understand what it really is.

[00:04:38] So. And, you know, there's this idea that like going into churches, this thing, and if you go to church, you must be spiritual and all that. And none of that has anything to do with anything. I really doesn't like, um, like it really, like it's, it's just really about like, you know, having a relationship with the Lord.

[00:04:57] That's really what it's about. And, [00:05:00] um, You can go to church and you can do all that kind of stuff and not actually like not actually have that. Right. Um, and there's a lot of people who do so. I mean yeah. You know, um, yeah, I mean, that's, that's something I do enjoy, you know, the church can be a social club.

[00:05:16] It could be a place where you just go socially and then, you know, there there's no fruit. There's no, There's no, like, um, you're not actually spending time with the Lord. You're not actually doing that. You're just kind of going to church for a social club. So when people ask me, do you go to church? Um, I just had that experience because where I live in Southern Cal, there were like a lot of, there were like a lot of cultural Christians, like Christianity took hold as a culture.

[00:05:42] Carl Lanore: [00:05:42] Right, right.

[00:05:43] Joel Greene: [00:05:43] And so there was, there was a lot of that in the eighties. And so you had a lot of people that were in that culture, but. They never actually spent time with the board. And I was like, no, and they never, they didn't, they didn't really stick it. You know, they never really made the journey the whole way and some very prominent people too.

[00:06:00] [00:05:59] So for me, just understanding this whole thing is something that's taken a lifetime. There's a lot of misconceptions about it. I just say that coming from having been an atheist to like actually understanding this stuff, that's what that is. So, yeah.

[00:06:10] Carl Lanore: [00:06:10] You know, I, I was raised Catholic, a Roman Catholic Italian kid, baptized, confirmation, communion, all that sort of stuff.

[00:06:18] And I lost faith in organized religion, but not necessarily spirituality. I think they're very different. Aren't they?

[00:06:28] Joel Greene: [00:06:28] Well, um, every, every question you're going to ask me here is something that's taken me a lifetime to figure out.

[00:06:36] Carl Lanore: [00:06:36] That's good. So take your time to answer. Take your

[00:06:38] Joel Greene: [00:06:38] time. Yep. Um, you know, that's kind of like a checkbox now day, you know, nowadays, like I'm spiritual, but not,

[00:06:45] Carl Lanore: [00:06:45] yeah, I know.

[00:06:46] It's the new, it's the new thing, right? I know it's like flop tapes. Yeah.

[00:06:50] Joel Greene: [00:06:50] Yeah. I think I probably would have had that box checked like for a good chunk of my life, you know, going on I'm spiritual, but I'm not religious. And then I think this kind of where life has brought me. Is to [00:07:00] figure out none of those mean anything.

[00:07:01] It's actually just one thing, one thing only. And it's like the, you know, the Lord, that's all, do you spend time? And then you actually know him. It's it's, it's, it's, uh, it's just literally like, like you and I are talking, that's really what it is. It's just literally like this. Um, and that's the real thing is like, like, you know, you and I have a relationship, we know each other, you know?

[00:07:19] Well, it's just that same thing. And that's really what we're talking about here is do you actually have that? And if you do, there's, your life's going to have fruit. And if you don't, you can, you can say all these things and do all these things you don't even have to, you know, you don't have to be Christian.

[00:07:32] You can, you can just call yourself spiritual, but what does that mean? It's just a bunch of boxes are checked.

[00:07:37] Carl Lanore: [00:07:37] Well, it depends. I think some, I think some people feel like there's a higher power and they don't want to commit to naming that higher power or even acknowledging that it's a dainty. They feel more.

[00:07:53] Comfortable not identifying it and making it this amorphous thing that occupies [00:08:00] the universe and, and, and is, is all good and does good things. But the reality is that, uh, as you pointed out, like in the Catholic religion, like I grew up, um, I grew up in a neighborhood where, you know, guys like John Gotti were people I saw walk around and I remember that a lot of them went to church on Sunday.

[00:08:22] And a lot of them put wads of money in the basket when it went by. And a lot of them went out with their girlfriends on Friday nights and their wives on Saturday nights. And they, they did all these things that were, were the antithesis to the, to the message of. Of religion, but somehow they were absolved because they were good community, uh, providers and they went to confession, which is another thing that's funny about the Catholic religion.

[00:08:51] You know, you do what you want, go in priest, absolves you go ahead and do it again. Um, and so I started to lose faith in, [00:09:00] in religion when I started to see these contradictions and I started to think to myself, you know, it's, it's a, it's. There's nothing about God. It's all about this, um, theatrical process that somehow makes you acceptable in the community.

[00:09:17] And I kind of lost all connection to religion entirely. And I don't know that I'm very spiritual leader because I'm, I'm somebody who believes that, um, you, you have the power, this is your life. There's nothing magical about it. It's what you do. You get out of it. And. You know, waiting and hoping for some sort of, um, uh, magical thinking to, to sweep into your life and fix things for you is a waste of time.

[00:09:47] And I think that's why I feel like science. Is so valuable, right? Because it's like math, you know, two plus two keeps equaling four or when it's good research, when it is rigorous of [00:10:00] science. And so I've learned to trust science more so, but that doesn't mean that you're an example of somebody who trusts science and it coexists with your views about religion and they don't contradict or combat each other.

[00:10:15] How do you get to that point?

[00:10:18] Joel Greene: [00:10:18] Yeah. Um, well, um, again, that's, that's, uh, you know, I I'm in a place. I never thought I'd be in life. Like when I was younger, like if you'd have told me, I'd be here, I'd be like, crazy. Get out of here, you know, because, um, I thought I actually knew the science. Um, and I, and I've had a lot of classes in it.

[00:10:38] You know, I went to college and I, when I first went to college, I thought I wanted to be a doctor. So I was taking biology and nutrition and. You know, all these classes. And I thought, I thought I knew the science. Um, and one of the biggest barriers I had was the science and it wasn't till I was in my early thirties.

[00:10:55] And I, I literally, like, I remember that day, it was one of the most [00:11:00] watershed days of my life. Um, there was an MD who is breaking down. A lot of what we thought of what we've been led to believe. And, and what I saw in a moment was like, I wasn't actually taught real science. I was just taught kind of a narrative.

[00:11:16] And the opposite thing actually happened over time. Or the science actually confirms it like, like I used to, I used to, I had a period, um, for a number of years, I'd felt so deceived. I felt so completely deceived because I thought I knew the science. And then when I discovered the actual science. I, I was kind of angry about it.

[00:11:34] Like, like, Oh my gosh, I feel like I've been lied to. So for a number of years, I had this passion I'd go in. And I just, you know, I pick fights with people in forums and I debunk stuff that they thought they knew, you know, all this stuff. I don't to do that anymore. I don't care. I wouldn't care anymore because, um, the evidence is so overwhelming scientifically that actually supports God and supports the things that we, we think it's so overwhelming.

[00:11:58] But for me, it's not even debatable anymore. [00:12:00] So it's, I don't even care to like, there, there are people who devote themselves to that, and they're really good at it. You know, guys like Doug ax and, you know, guys like that, that are genius, PhD dudes. And, you know, they, they have really persuasive, um, uh, arguments they can put forth.

[00:12:14] I've just for myself in life, I've gotten to a place where the particularly the more I've studied biology and the more I've looked at the inner workings of the cell, but like, it actually affirms things. It's actually the opposite now. Um, and it's so overwhelmingly, um, overwhelmingly interactively, um, compelling that it's just, it, the science actually affirms things for me.

[00:12:39] And so, you know, like kind of the topic of the show, you know, you see people that, um, that, you know, It would seem like there's some simple, easy steps you can take, you know, why would you pray when you could just do the easy steps? You know, why would you do that? And there's some good answers to that. Um, you know, one is sometimes it's just ignorance.

[00:12:59] Like you [00:13:00] don't know there's good, easy steps, right. Um, you just don't know that. And so. You know, you're the other side of that is like prayers do get answered. Like I, I literally have seen miracles. I've had any rebels happened to me, like physical nails I've literally had through prayer happened. So that's a real thing.

[00:13:16] Um, but the other side of that is sometimes the way God works is he works through people. So you can, you can pray for something. And it's a person that brings you a set of steps. Like, Hey, did you think of this? Why don't you just do this, this and this? You know? So, I mean, I have a brother who has down syndrome and yeah.

[00:13:33] I just had him for three weeks and, um, 24 hours a day working on him. Um, and I am throwing all of the science at him in the book, man. I am, we are way down that road. Like, um, you know, I'm, I'm in this place of like, like both are working for me. Like, like, God, like you got to show me a way to reverse the mitochondrial decay.

[00:13:55] In his brain, because that's the issue, you know, and the integrative stress response, [00:14:00] how can I do this? You know, you got to show me away and then I'll get answers. I'm like, wait for federal obliterate. Okay. Rapamycin in for federal butyrate. Let's try that. Okay. So, so for me, they work together.

[00:14:11] Carl Lanore: [00:14:11] Yeah. So I was going to ask you, where does prayer fit into this?

[00:14:17] And I think you kind of eloquently set the table for it because. There's a lot of people who don't call it prayer, but they'll say, you know, I, I need an answer. I'm going to put it out to the universe and I'm just going to, and then, you know, they say all of the subconscious has working in the background and all of a sudden something happens.

[00:14:39] It looks like this. It reminds me of them of that. And they go, Oh my God, that's the answer. And so prayer could be. Um, thought of, cause you, you, you, your background is also in computer programming. I mean, you're, you know, that's, you spent years in that environment as well. It could also be suggesting to the brain that this is [00:15:00] possible and show me and.

[00:15:03] We see things and we go, Oh, that that's, it that's the answer. I mean, it isn't, isn't that the basis of Scientology isn't Scientology and maybe I'm wrong about this because I don't know much about it, but Scientologists asked like, okay, if I'm supposed to marry this woman, give me a sign and then they're driving to work and there's a newspaper in front of them.

[00:15:23] And it says, Uh, maybe it's time to get married as the headline about an article. And like, that's it. That's the sign I need to go ahead and marry that girl. It, as humans, we struggle to feel like we have control over our environment. Like, like the weather has, he screwed us up. We would love to be able to control the weather.

[00:15:43] That's been millions of years. The weather ch totally changed our plans about everything. Did you think part of the whole prayer. And I'm not saying prayer is fake. I'm saying it's real, but you think part of the whole prayer phenomenon is you're programming your brain to expect [00:16:00] something. And you're relaxing with a feeling that you're going to get an answer.

[00:16:05] And all of a sudden it comes up. Uh,

[00:16:10] Joel Greene: [00:16:10] that gets into a really, really deep question. Um, it's probably do too deep for this forum here, but I'll, I'll, I'll. I'll try and step on it a little bit. Okay. Um, so first of all, like if you think about like, it doesn't matter what you believe, um, the vast majority of people who've ever lived, Willy William James called it the more.

[00:16:33] Okay. Um, uh, in his book, the variety of religious experience, William James wrote about the more that we didn't matter who you are. We all agree that that this reality is the lesser of a greater. That there's a greater reality upon which this reality depends that you don't have to be spiritual religious Christian.

[00:16:53] You don't have to be, to believe that, you know, like quantum physics tells us that quantum physics tells us that, you know, it looks like space time, probably [00:17:00] derives from some other greater reality. That's just quantum. This is quantum physics. Okay. So there's more, and it's just the idea that, that. This experience of what we think of as reality is a lesser to a greater, okay.

[00:17:11] So most of us can kind of agree with that. Like, like, doesn't matter what you believe and then, you know, and then we just get into kind of like, you know, is it teleological in nature? You know, uh, you know, do you believe that God created everything or do you believe things kind of just, you know, came by chance so you don't have to, you don't have to, like, you don't have to necessarily like, you know, go down that road too far to just.

[00:17:33] Kind of, except that, well, there's two possibilities of existence. You know, everything is the result of a bunch of accidents or everything is created. There's no third possibility. It's just those two.

[00:17:43] Carl Lanore: [00:17:43] Yeah. Randomness or, or, uh, fatal, fatal

[00:17:48] Joel Greene: [00:17:48] issue. We have a solution set of two, that's it. And if we're going to be scientific, a scientific approach would be, first of all, if you're going to do science, um, if you want to quantify the solution set.

[00:17:59] Well, [00:18:00] we have two, two possible solutions. So science is okay. Well we have to equally investigate bunk that, that that'd be a real science. We would never,

[00:18:07] Carl Lanore: [00:18:07] yeah, that's a good, somebody has gotta be a control. Right? There's gotta be something to compare it to. Right,

[00:18:12] Joel Greene: [00:18:12] right. You've never called it science to say, we have a solution set of two, but we're going to exclude one because that's not scientific.

[00:18:18] That's not scientific in itself. Right. Okay. So you have to look at both. So, so, so. To get to like, you know, basically like what we call prayer. Prayer is just really like, first of all, it's, it's an understanding that you are a lesser of something greater. Right. Okay. And in a practical sense, we call that humility in a practical sense.

[00:18:39] That's just like, I'm way too stupid on my own to get most things right. Like on that quite literally mean that I'm just way too stupid to get most things. Right. Um, So I need a lot of help, tons of help. And, um, you know, so as, as a Christian, like, you know, [00:19:00] God is wanting to help me because he loves me. And so like, when I'm asking for help, I'm saying, I don't really know what to do here.

[00:19:07] Can you help me? Um, well then, yeah, very often the answers do come and I, I do get answers, you know, I do get direction and it's there. It's, it's put there for me. Um, now. Universalism piece. I grew up on that. I grew up on like, you know, Hey, just put it out into the universe and it'll, you'll get it. We'll we'll all that stuff.

[00:19:26] By the time I was 20, I was so sick of that. Like, please get out of here because that's when it started taking off in American culture, you started to hear, Hey, put it out in the universe, then gosh, I grew up with this, please.

[00:19:38] Carl Lanore: [00:19:38] No more,

[00:19:41] Joel Greene: [00:19:41] but, um, there's this idea of authority. And there's this idea of like, where does authority come from?

[00:19:47] And what's the source of authority. Okay. And if, if you, you don't have to, like, you don't have to like, necessarily like, you know, believe in God to just posit scientifically like, well, if God exists, then authority must come from God. Okay. [00:20:00] So there's power. There's, there's this idea that you can, that power is available, but it's on authority.

[00:20:06] Okay. So like, I can ask God, I can say, I need power in this one area. I mean, you know, knowledge, for example, like, like my little brother, I need, I need to understand something to help him out and, you know, and so then I would love it's given to me. Okay. So that's one way of looking at it. The other is that, um, there's power out there, but I don't want to acknowledge any authority in getting it.

[00:20:25] I just, I just want it. Okay. And that's, that's where you get into like a lot of different ways of seeing things and. What's interesting to me about that is the question of whether or not it's on the authority or not whether or not it's, um, whether or not it's like legal, whether or not it's with permission.

[00:20:42] And I believe that you can access power, but it's not on authority. And so you can do things like you can, you know, attract things, but it's not an authority. It's not within like legal boundaries, so to speak. And that, that gets in like a really super deep convo. We're already way too deep here, but, um, it's a brain teaser.

[00:20:57] It's kind of interesting.

[00:20:58] Carl Lanore: [00:20:58] No, it is interesting. [00:21:00] It's very interesting. So what about prayer works? Does it only work when I pray for something that I need? Well, when you have people who pray in unison,

[00:21:12] Joel Greene: [00:21:12] let's

[00:21:12] Carl Lanore: [00:21:12] pray for world peace. I mean, so many people have prayed for world peace and never showed up. Do you think that prayer is something you can project to someone else?

[00:21:24] Joel Greene: [00:21:24] What is a belief in magic? The other is, uh, is, um, is something entirely different? So a belief in magic, no matter what you want to call it is this idea that there's this, you know, set of boxes. I checked this mumbo jumbo. I do. And then I get the thing I want it. Okay. Right. Well, I grew up on that. I completely, like, I used to chant, we chanted the, this scroll and you know, like you were, you were to think of whatever it was you wanted and you know, and so put it this way.

[00:21:51] You have this black box, you do this thing to the black box and then you get back what you want. Well, that's just called magic by any other words is magical thinking. Right, right, right. [00:22:00] Uh, but prayer, like in the context of, and I only say this having like, come to like understand it from being like an atheist to now, like, and it's like, Oh my gosh, this is really true.

[00:22:08] Um, it's it really what it is is, um, it's not about what I want at all. It's not about what I want at all, because first of all, most of the things I want, if I got it, actually run myself in a ditch, like awesome.

[00:22:21] Carl Lanore: [00:22:21] Right

[00:22:21] Joel Greene: [00:22:21] because I'm too stupid. I'm too stupid to do anything good with them. You know, it's too flawed to this, to that.

[00:22:26] Like, like, and now that I'm older, I get it. Like, I really am. I really am to this, to that too stupid to all these things. Right. But prayer becomes really a thing. Like Jesus said, you know, not my will, but yours fodder. Like, like if you think, if you look at that moment, Jesus is saying. Um, Hey dad. Um, I really don't want to go to the cross.

[00:22:45] Yeah. And, you know, get scorched and get my ass beat and then get strung up and get filled. I really don't want, that's not my thing, but not what I want, what you want. And that's very difficult to understand. And so you get like love until you get an understanding of love. [00:23:00] And then it becomes like, you know, You, you literally are surrendering what you want because you love your heavenly father that much, and you want what he wants cause he wants what's best for you.

[00:23:11] And so prayer becomes this thing of like, it's, it's really about more, it's really more about, you know, the desires of my heart. You put there, and this is what you want from me, open the door. And if it's not then close and there's a piece in there, there's a piece that transcends understanding because.

[00:23:29] Not hung up on stuff. Like, like if it happens great, if it doesn't, you know, and that's okay. And, and I haven't personally experienced that a lot in my life where there's things that I wanted that I didn't get. And in hindsight, I'm like, thank God I didn't get that because yeah. I would have wrecked things, even worse.

[00:23:42] Carl Lanore: [00:23:42] We have a couple of questions lining up and we will get to them after the break. So the Robert Thompson and faith fitness guy sit tight and stay through the break. You know, it's funny. You talk about love. Um, I have a couple of beliefs about love that have to do with relationships. Yeah. I believe that love [00:24:00] rewards the person doing the loving, not feeling the loving.

[00:24:04] In other words, if I tell you, Joel, I love you. You're the hair on the back of your neck. Isn't going to stand up. But when I think about how I love you, I'm going to feel something physically. So to me, love rewards, the person who is actually doing the loving. But more importantly, since you talked about really, basically relationships in this, this.

[00:24:24] With God. And you, you know, there are things that we do for people that we don't want to do for ourselves because we love them. So it makes sense what you're saying. If you're people, people, you know, when, when the whole born again thing came out in the seventies, people started talking about Iowa. I don't need to go to church.

[00:24:41] Where there's a priest. I don't need someone to be my mediator between me and my God. I can go to my God directly, which really the Catholic religion hated because all of a sudden, we didn't know, we didn't need priests and churches anymore, and the people praying at home, but that's really how it started in the catacombs anyway.

[00:24:59] Right. [00:25:00] So, but it's interesting because if you reduce this relation to a relationship. Then there's a lot of things you do in relationships for your children, for your wife, for your husband, for your mom, for your dad that are not your first choice to do, but you do it because you're gratified by their satisfaction because you love them.

[00:25:22] So that's an, it's an interesting, uh, statement that you just made. It really is. I never thought of it that way.

[00:25:26] Joel Greene: [00:25:26] Well, that's, and that's where it starts to make sense. Like, um, like. When you start to have a relationship, um, and it starts to be relational. Like, what I can tell you is that most of my life I've kind of been a third and God still loves me.

[00:25:41] Like, like, wait a second, wait, the Lord forgives me. You know, like I know, but that's one thing. But then when you actually live it out in your own life, like maybe you have kids or you have other people and you know, they fall short in one way or another. And in our human self, you know, we want to ramp up and we want justice and we want like, you know, Hey, you did this, you stole this, you [00:26:00] betrayed, you know, and then you have Jesus who is like, um, uh, if you don't forgive, you're not forgiven.

[00:26:06] Forgive them as I forgiven you, pray for your enemies because God causes the sun and the rain to fall on the evil and the good. And then you'll be like your father. What credit is to you? If you love only those who love you, but then when you actually have to do that in life, this whole other thing happens where it's like, Holy cow, like.

[00:26:23] I don't want to do that. I don't want to, I don't want to love him. And I'm sure it's not going to pray for him. And I sure as heck don't want to forgive him because I don't think you'll understand. They really thought,

[00:26:33] Carl Lanore: [00:26:33] okay.

[00:26:34] Joel Greene: [00:26:34] And then you get these examples of like, wait a second. Um, you worked for given this huge debt.

[00:26:37] I'm just asking you to forgive them a little debt and you can't do that. And then when you start living it out, it gets very real. It gets very real because then you start to understand who he is. And then the more you understand who he is, it starts to change you because. You realize, um, you realize.

[00:26:55] What's really, you realize what love is what's really going on. And you realize how short we [00:27:00] all fall of it, you know? And it like, you start to really get it.

[00:27:03] Carl Lanore: [00:27:03] Right. I want to take a break. We have a couple of questions or interesting questions that we're going to put up here in a little while and answer.

[00:27:09] And then I want to take this conversation even a little bit further. We're talking with Joel green, by the way, Joel has an upcoming fat loss seminar. Uh, his website is VEP nutrition.com. When is it? December 26th. You said.

[00:27:23] Joel Greene: [00:27:23] Yeah, it's a new course. It's a immune centric, fat loss. It's coming out a day after Christmas.

[00:27:28] Perfect time.

[00:27:29] Carl Lanore: [00:27:29] Yeah. Everybody's going to be bloated and miserable and think, Oh, I hate the way I feel. Well, just visit Veep, nutrition.com and sign up for Joel's a core stay tuned. We'll be right back with more, uh, supreme-a radio. And we're ready.

[00:27:48] Welcome back to superhuman radio. Do I look brighter, Natalie? Natalie just texted sparkly and Natalie just texted me and said, can you, [00:28:00] can you make your camera brighter? Cause I looked like there was a TV show when I was a kid growing up on Saturday nights. And, uh, it was supposed to be in like a dis, like a, a coffee shop, coffee house, you know, where the beatniks all snap their fingers and it was real dark and they played new music.

[00:28:17] And, and I, that's what I looked like a second ago. I was in the dark, you know, uh, I bet if I'm shocking you with my face, I'm sorry. You can blame it on.

[00:28:25] Joel Greene: [00:28:25] I like the new set by the way.

[00:28:27] Carl Lanore: [00:28:27] Yeah. Thank you. Thanks. That's all Natalie. My, uh, director of communications is she's a, she's a wizard. She's made the show, so it looks so much better.

[00:28:34] Um, so. Let's get a couple of these questions in, first of all, uh, first of all, faith fitness guy says, uh, he learns a lot from both of us and he has Joel's book, uh, which they can get more information about your books. There's more than one This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it., right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh, he also says, what are Joel's thoughts on [00:29:00] Erie?

[00:29:00] Do stubble complexity. Isn't that just a function of our ability to comprehend?

[00:29:07] Joel Greene: [00:29:07] No, no, it's, um, it's actually, it's actually an ever emerging field. Um, so the basic idea is that, um, here's an easy way to understand this. Um, We use science as a way to get to the truth that that science is just a method by which we can know that we're getting to the truth.

[00:29:31] That's what science is. Okay. We use a method to do it. So, so that we're not BS in ourselves, in our brain, that's the science, but it's not the only way that we can know truth. Um, Douglas accident did a really good, uh, supposedly on this, where he talked about, um, intuition can pick us to the truth. Here's a, here's a good example.

[00:29:45] It doesn't take, um, you don't need to appeal to any genius or any elite. Yeah. Or anybody to know this is true. Um, in all the history of the universe, uh, no matter how many tries you gave it. Um, an iPhone in [00:30:00] the box with the wrapper and the serial numbers specific to that phone and the programming all ready to go.

[00:30:05] We'd never come together by chance. Okay. Never. And you know, that's true. You don't need anybody to tell you that's not true. And your intuition has done has just done this calculation in probabilistic space. Okay. And your brain has done that calculation faster than a quantum computer and tells you no, that's not true.

[00:30:21] That can't happen. Um, so there's. That is irreducible complexity, like, like the iPhone in the wrapper with a serial number in its current form. This is not something that can be made through chemistry and physics and time. It's not going to happen. It doesn't matter how many iterations passes zero. You go.

[00:30:38] It's not going to happen. Okay. We already know that's true. We don't need to do any experiments, but I'll know that's true. And so what we're talking about, there is a level of mechanistic and technological integration that surpasses the ability of probabilistic space to accomplish. Okay. That's not something you can achieve through time and probability.

[00:30:55] Well, what's happened in the last few years and the last really kind of decade and a [00:31:00] half is that, that whole idea and understanding has accelerated exponentially. So where. Um, two, two really important things have happened. Number one, um, we're not able to put numbers to this stuff. Okay. Like before it was just narrative, it was just, it was just billions of years, you know, it's brilliant, you know, narrative.

[00:31:18] Okay. That's not a science. Well, now you can put numbers to that stuff and you can model it very accurately. Okay. And what you hired is that. You're appealing to probabilistic space. Combinant tutorial space. Okay. That's what you're appealing to. And so these are mathematical equations where the domain of common tutorial space is a given size.

[00:31:36] And what what's, what you can quite readily show is that the domain required. Uh, by far and away, uh, exceeds by many, many orders of magnitude in the trillions and trillions and trillions of exponential. Um, is it just like far way too big too accomplished? The thing that we're saying probably combinatorial space has to do, so you're, you're calming the Loreal space is this big.

[00:32:00] [00:31:59] Okay. And the domain required is like the size of the solar system. Right. Okay. That's a broad example. Yeah. And where this is really becoming evident is when we look at what cells really are, and we begin to unpack what cells really are. Um, and what we see within cells is that these are machines and they're not just machines, they're computers, and they're not just computers, but they're a merger of several technologies.

[00:32:22] And a good example is DNA now. So DNA contains instructions. Okay. We all get that right.

[00:32:30] Carl Lanore: [00:32:30] Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah. It's a blueprint. Right?

[00:32:33] Joel Greene: [00:32:33] Right. Well, so this is not a difficult thing to understand. Again, this is sort of using the iPhone analogy. Um, instructions are a product of the instructions are a sunset of thought.

[00:32:48] If you think about it, that that's what instructions are.

[00:32:51] Carl Lanore: [00:32:51] There are a subset of what. Fuck. Yes, of course. Yes. Intelligent. They're a subset of thing. Yeah. They're derived from intelligence, right?

[00:33:00] [00:32:59] Joel Greene: [00:32:59] DNA contains instructions. So what we're saying is that DNA contains thoughts. Okay. Now by saying that there's a bunch of people that just got pissed off that are listening to this.

[00:33:09] Cause I just tapped into their religious beliefs. But if we're going to be, if we're going to be in the realm of just inductive and thinking about things and taking things to their conclusion, we have to look at like DNA and go, wait a second. These aren't just instructions. They're digitally encoded.

[00:33:23] There's a digital encoding system in here. If we were, if we were going to bring computational dynamics out of cyberspace and into real space, we would have one big problem. And the problem is space itself. Because these characters strings get immensely long. So we can't do this in binary. We got to do it in quaternary.

[00:33:38] Okay. So that's what you find in DNA. It's in quaternary. And by putting things from binary into quaternary, number one, it saves space. You don't need to write as many instructions, but the strings don't have to be as long. Right? The other problem, the other issue you get to those, you reduce errors by putting it in quaternary.

[00:33:54] Carl Lanore: [00:33:54] Okay. So because it's not as long, so there's less possibility for errors.

[00:34:00] [00:33:59] Joel Greene: [00:33:59] Yes. Yeah. So, so when we begin to look at DNA and you look at DNA, you immediately run into like issues that surpass the old sort of Darwinian way of understanding the old Darwinian way was that, well, it appears to be designed, but it's not really well when you get into DNA and start really digging into it.

[00:34:16] It's like, yeah, no, I don't think that holds up anymore because what we're seeing here is we're seeing digitally encoded instructions, character by character sequences. The only, no cause. The can produce, this is the auction of a mind. And we see these, we see these same types of things into other places.

[00:34:35] We see them in language. We see them in software. Now there's a method of the scientific method called inference to the best explanation. That's what Darwin used.

[00:34:43] Carl Lanore: [00:34:43] This is, yeah, this is the best we can tell. So let's just go away. Right?

[00:34:47] Joel Greene: [00:34:47] Right. He's making an inference. Okay. Um, well, so when we see digitally encoded instructions that make molecular machines.

[00:34:58] The best explanation [00:35:00] we can infer is that the only known causative agent that makes this, that could make this would be the action of a mind. In fact, this can't be replicated through, through materialism. Um, you know, one guy that really would be interesting if you could ever get them on would be Jane's tour.

[00:35:16] It was loaded one of the top 20 scientists of the 20th century. Um, he is, um, I think he's won the Nobel prize if I'm not mistaken, but he's a synthetic organic chemist. And so he is exactly in the realm of trying to synthesize things out of chemistry and he's got some great talks on this kind of stuff and goes into like the impossibility of things, but the best analogy, the best way to understand it would be to say that our end game is the Tesla plant.

[00:35:44] That makes the model S okay. Okay. And to get to the model S um, we need these machines that make the model S to get to one of the machines, just one, um, by chance, just one

[00:35:59] Carl Lanore: [00:35:59] by chance, [00:36:00] you're saying,

[00:36:01] Joel Greene: [00:36:01] yeah, right. That why, the way our minds know that common tutorial space can't solve that problem. Okay. But it isn't just that we've got to go way beyond that problem because no, we don't just need one machine.

[00:36:11] We need a hundred machines and they all have to work together all at once. And then not only that the machines themselves have to be 3d printed from a set of computer instructions. That's digitally encoded. Okay. And then not only that, um, the plant itself needs resources that must come into the plant and they have to come in at specific docking locations.

[00:36:31] Um, otherwise things don't work right. And they have to come in at the right time, in the right way. And so the whole plant has to work together all at once, or it doesn't work at all. You're not going to get the model S if the whole plant doesn't work together, So when you begin to unpack and look at what it takes to get to a functional protein, um, you get problems that that can not be solved through unguided chemistry.

[00:36:50] The first problem we run into is the law of mass action. Well, if you remember back to chemistry doing molar mass equations, the law of mass action tells us the direction the equation is [00:37:00] going to go. Right. It's going to go in the direction of the greatest number of reactants. Okay. So if we're going to say that time and chance is going to string.

[00:37:08] Aminos together in a sequence, a minimum 80 characters long and exact combination lock. Okay. Um, that's not a problem time consult because what you're up against is law mashed oxygen. As soon as you get two or three aminos together, those aminos are going to, we use the word denatured. Okay. They're going to bind with things other than aminos.

[00:37:27] Right? So time, time makes, makes time is our enemy, not our friend, but then the next problem we're up against is prompting folder. So in order to get functional proteins, we have to fold them into different structures, tertiary core. We need to get like up to quaternary. We need to get these like folded proteins.

[00:37:44] And then the problem we're up against is that the instructions for the proteins require DNA, but DNA requires proteins. And so you get into, you quickly get into orders of magnitude. Um, then you've got to pass, you've got to pass what's called mortality. [00:38:00] So meaning that all the left-handed means, right. So you've got to pass the law of mass action.

[00:38:05] You got to pass karate. So we want to look at it from a science perspective, just to get to one machine in the Tesla plant. We've got these problems that we can't figure out how to get past.

[00:38:15] Carl Lanore: [00:38:15] Now look at the complexity of the human body when you apply that. You know, I mean like every, every, every tissue, every organ, every organ system, I mean, each of those is like, 1,010 thousand Tesla, you know, plants, you know, just how do you do that?

[00:38:33] Yeah.

[00:38:34] Joel Greene: [00:38:34] It's getting to this realm where the deeper you go, the, it doesn't, it doesn't solve the problem. It makes it worse. Meaning like you get farther and farther away. Um, for my book, I had to study glycation and I left it out of the book.

[00:38:52] Carl Lanore: [00:38:52] It was so complex.

[00:38:53] Joel Greene: [00:38:53] It was so complex. Um, What we know about location is that [00:39:00] it's underserved it in one sense, runs the entire show of the body.

[00:39:05] It's a secondary messaging system where information is carried in sugars on these backbones. And it is so complex to assemble like a, glycated like to assemble these proteins. You get into assembly chain, lines, millions of units long, and the level of complexity required to do this. In conjunction with all these other things that have to happen at the exact same time, just, just keeps, keeps expanding and making the problem more and more, more and more and more and more complex.

[00:39:36] So, um, suffice to say that as time is going on, the better that we understand the nature of how cells work, what we're seeing is that we're looking at machinery. Um, really good example, really good example is ATP synthase, right? If you study ATP synthase, it'll blow your mind. Okay. ATP synthase is a power generator and it's, it's the [00:40:00] motor that sits in the wall of the mitochondria.

[00:40:03] And it's just like the way a Tesla works. You have a power source coming into an electric motor. Okay. ATP synthase is very similar. It's got a stator. Um, it has a rotary engine. The rotary engine is connected to an axle. The axle spins around and it hits essentially what amount to these, um, these motor parts that flex it's been said, you can't build an engine with a hundred percent efficiency.

[00:40:30] Um, it's been discovered that ATP synthase operates at 99.9, nine, 9% efficiency, meaning no energy is lost to heat and it's a motor. Okay. And it spins at roughly about 6,000 RPMs and you've got trillions of these motors. And in order to, in order to make this motor. You need a set of digitally encoded instructions that go into what amounts to a 3d printer.

[00:40:52] Okay. Inside the cell, the ribosome. Now a funny thing happens to our minds when we advanced the technology

[00:41:00] [00:40:59] Carl Lanore: [00:40:59] wanna bail. We, we just wanna, we just want to give me any answer. I'm tired of thinking of it. Like I'm, I'm thinking, I'm actually thinking about the complexity of this, and we're talking about just one little thing in the human body right now.

[00:41:12] And I'm thinking about the complexity of this and I'm thinking. Okay. Like what, what's the, what's the simplest answer I can come up with. I'll just be satisfied with that. It's just amazing. It's amazing. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you.

[00:41:25] Joel Greene: [00:41:25] No, no. It's it's well, you know, we could spend an hour on this it's um, what is that?

[00:41:28] I used to, I used to kind of like, you know, it really, like, that was my thing was, you know, opening people's eyes on this. I don't even care any more because it's just, it's so beyond like, even trying to keep up with that, um, there's people who do it way better than me, but, um, Here's an easy way to look at it.

[00:41:44] If we took the engine of a car and we said, Hey, what are the odds? This will come together by itself through time and physics immediately. Your mind knows the answer, crunches the numbers and comments, Loreal space, and says none, none whatsoever. Okay. Now watch what happens. As I advanced the [00:42:00] technology, we're going to go into magical thinking and all humans do it.

[00:42:04] All humans do it

[00:42:05] Carl Lanore: [00:42:05] right, because it, because it's so it's so large. And complex that it boggles the mind. And at that boggling, you just thought that you just reach for straws. Anything that's available as a possible answer, you just go for it. That's it.

[00:42:19] Joel Greene: [00:42:19] Right. And we've done that with time. So we've just said time and Commonwealth for your space is our McGuffin, our magic box.

[00:42:26] And it can solve anything, but it can't. So if I added a layer of complexity to the technology, I said, well, we're going to 3d print the engine. Okay. Would that come together? No, I've made it. I've made the problem worse. Now I'm going to advance the technology again. Let's molecularized it let's, let's shrink the engine down, which we can't do yet.

[00:42:45] Okay. Let's shrink it down to molecular size and 3d print the engine. Now, would it come together? And now what happens is we go into magical thinking. Yeah. Just give it enough time.

[00:42:54] Carl Lanore: [00:42:54] Right, right. It's just fascinating. It really is. And this just [00:43:00] shows how science and, and, and faith kind of inter inter connect.

[00:43:05] Um, I, we have to take a break. Um, uh, when we come back, we're going to wrap up this interview and then stick around because we are going to talk about, uh, 10 over the counter ingredients that you should be focusing on. If you're somebody who is interested in aging better and living longer and let's face it, you wouldn't be here watching today's show.

[00:43:25] If that wasn't true, stay tuned. We'll be right back with more of Joel green. Is the superhuman channel.

[00:43:34] Welcome back. We're talking with Joel green, more of a philosophical show than I usually do. Usually everything we talk about is science or training and everything in between, but it really it's always amazed me. It's intrigued me, I guess I should say that number of people who. Ask for prayers when there's something going on that, in my [00:44:00] opinion, estimation and who am I?

[00:44:02] I'm I'm being pompous by even positioning it this way. I think, well, these are the things that there are S you know, actionable solutions to, if you take personal responsibility. And I guess that's kind of like the snob in me because, you know, like I said, I was raised Catholic and I lost all. I guess a different type of faith, but in the, in, in the institution itself.

[00:44:26] And yeah. Uh, and, and so maybe I am where you used to be when you were young in that I think, Oh, you know, these people who follow religion and God, you know, you know, there's science, but when you talk about the complexity of DNA and how, how it is virtually impossible to explain it away, without some form of intelligence that it's, it's just.

[00:44:50] You know, it just came, it just came to be, you know, it's, uh, it it's really compelling. And I think that Albert Einstein had the same feelings about a lot of the [00:45:00] theories that he came up with, uh, theories of relativity. He said that he found God in everything he did. And that's that's baffling. When you think about a guy who, who, um, wrote.

[00:45:14] Prolifically about things that were reproducible and, and identifiable in science, you know, he was one of those guys. He's like, yo, I mean, he, he found connections there. And so it's obvious that, that good science, real science and religion. Can coexist and not be combative. Um, you know, it it's, I think, I think the Catholic church has really fall behind.

[00:45:40] I think they need to catch up. I think they need to change. They need to say, man, we were really wrong about the dinosaurs. They probably did exist. You know, that's one. Where do you feel? Where do you stand on creation versus evolution?

[00:45:55] Joel Greene: [00:45:55] Um, well, When you get into that, [00:46:00] the first thing to make clear is that what we're not talking about is how old the earth is.

[00:46:05] That's the first thing you got to get into because there are two separate things. Um, But if you're talking about like, you know, how did life come to be? There's, there's two possibilities. One is it's created or the other is that it just is it's the result of time and chance chemistry. Those are your two, those are your two options.

[00:46:24] Um, and the course of my life has taken me to the place where. Um, I am astounded to see that we are a hundred percent made hundred percent. We're looking at things that are created 100%. Like it isn't even for me anymore, it isn't even worth debating anymore because it's so darn obvious. Like the more I've looked at, you know, the West Elsworth, um, that being said, uh, something that's been left out of the discussion that, um, is worth when people get into these debates.

[00:46:55] You have to kind of understand that it is entirely possible, entirely [00:47:00] possible that you're looking at a created system that uses what we would call evolutionary algorithms. Okay. And what I mean by that is we do it all the time. We have created systems computers that employ programs that are called evolutionary algorithms.

[00:47:14] What those do is they, they are rule sets written to take advantage of combinatorial space, to find solutions to minor problems. Okay. So it is entirely possible that you're looking at a creative system that uses algorithms that take advantage of common tutorial space. That is not the same thing. Yeah. As a what's called theistic evolution in theistic evolution, God created the universe, but then the rules create everything else.

[00:47:40] Okay. That's not the same thing as that, uh, because you, you, you cannot, it has not been demonstrated how you can go from just climbing chemistry to life, but that's never been demonstrated. And it's such an intractable problem. Now, again, you know, I'm not the expert. Don't go listen to guys like James tour, who, you know, are Nobel Laureate, like genius, super genius [00:48:00] specialists in that field.

[00:48:01] And they can talk through it way better than me, but, um, it is entirely possible that there could be a, uh, an element in the equation that uses. Uh, comedy tutorial space, but it's created, in other words, all I'm saying is that you can have a designed element that uses common tutorial space, but it's designed that's entirely possible because we do it.

[00:48:21] We do it all the time. When we're building systems, we're looking at automation, we use design systems that use common tutorial space. Right. So it's very, very possible that that's part of, if you're going to think,

[00:48:32] Carl Lanore: [00:48:32] I'm sorry. Well, I was, I was just going to say, you know, we, we could easily call it epigenetics, right?

[00:48:39] We, you know, we, we understand that epigenetics now to a great degree, we've done some fantastic shows and epigenetics is, uh, you applying something and your, your, your genome responding to it. And we could actually say that a lot of bad things are happening today to us. Um, [00:49:00] diseases. Or actually evolutionary selection pressures because the people who survive those diseases will have children.

[00:49:07] And so there's this constant refinement of the species, but it's based on the exposure that we receive. You know, this idea, like a lot of people don't realize evolution is happening right now. We are being reprogrammed right now by the things that our environment and whether or not we, I mean, yesterday we did a show about.

[00:49:26] Simple show about vitamin D and the colon. It was once thought that vitamin D was not absorbed in the colon. It was not had nothing to do with the distal and testing it all. And they found out it does. And so, you know, it's like, okay, we have people out, they have IBS and colitis and all these other diseases that are not absorbing vitamin D properly who have calcium problems in their body.

[00:49:51] Well, if that condition continues. Then they will get it younger and younger. They won't have children. Those [00:50:00] genes will be removed from the gene pool and going forward, you'll have a population of people who aren't susceptible to that anymore because everything that's happening to us right now that we say is horrible and bad and diseases is just more evolutionary selection, pressure through epigenetic altering, and it's re it's changing.

[00:50:19] Maybe not for the best. Right. We always think, Oh, evolution is only for good. Not for bad, not necessarily.

[00:50:25] Joel Greene: [00:50:25] Well, what's really interesting about that. Um, discussion to me anyway, is that what you're really looking at is that just stalled. So what you're really looking at is you have a set of programs, right?

[00:50:39] Okay. So I can like what I have a section in my book called water genes, really? And it's it's to help people understand what they are, what genes are, is there, there. Programs computer programs for printing machines, for printing proteins. So you have this inventory of programs and some of those are in the foreground.

[00:50:57] Some of those are in the background and then you have [00:51:00] this external event happen. And what you have is the program in the background now comes to the foreground and then this one, uh, over time just kind of drops off. Okay. Well, What we're missing in the whole equation was that you had the program to begin with.

[00:51:14] Like there's no new information. All we're doing is changing the expression of the information. So this program came to the forefront based on. Based on this stimulus, but the program existed. So we're not adding new information. What we're doing is changing the expression of programs now they do. Okay.

[00:51:32] That's a very interesting thing to think about. It's like very interesting think about it because, um, it's easy in our minds to conflate that with, you know, a bunch of different ideas. Um, but when you look at what's really going on, you had this existing. Computer program and it wasn't being used and now it's being used.

[00:51:50] That's a very different way of thinking about the problem.

[00:51:52] Carl Lanore: [00:51:52] Yeah, no, fascinating. We've come to the end of the interview. It's been fascinating. I hope people got something out of this. I, I did not answer this question [00:52:00] because it's a lightning rod and I wanna, I w I don't want somebody to say I ignored it.

[00:52:04] Um, But Robert Thompson wants to know where we stand on abortion. And, and I here's where I stand on it. I don't like it, but I'm not you. If you like it, you should do it. And it's yet another evolutionary selection pressure as far as I'm concerned. Uh, but, but the reality is that this is a lightning rod question that's designed to polarize people.

[00:52:25] You know, I am not for feeding kids, lots of sugar, but maybe you are. I'm not going to impose my beliefs on you. That's the wonderful thing about this world, at least right now, let's see in the next couple of years how it changes, but I just wanted to, I didn't ignore your question. I just, this is not the right place to answer it.

[00:52:44] That's all Joe. One more time. Let's get it out there. Um, you are having a fat loss seminar online, right at Veep nutrition. We're good. I'm sorry.

[00:52:56] Joel Greene: [00:52:56] Yeah, it's a digital course. It's a digital online

[00:52:59] Carl Lanore: [00:52:59] course. Okay. [00:53:00] Digital course at your website, Veep, nutrition.com. For those of you who feel like you've done too much eating, uh, the day after Christmas, you can go to Veit nutrition.com.

[00:53:07] Thank you so much for two reasons. Number one, uh, to have the courage to come and talk about this. This is not something that people necessarily feel comfortable talking about. Joel has gotten me to look at hormetic differently now. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Um, Thanks for being here, brother and happy holidays.

[00:53:27] Happy holidays.

[00:53:29] Joel Greene: [00:53:29] Likewise. Thanks.

[00:53:30] Carl Lanore: [00:53:30] Talk, talk to you soon. I will get to take a quick commercial break. When we come back, I'm going to talk about 10 interesting ingredients that you may find in a supplement or two here or there, uh, that if you are interested in aging better, uh, and if, and of health span is more important to you than just lifespan, uh, you're going to want to listen, stay tuned.

[00:53:51] We'll be right back with more superhuman radio.

[00:54:01] [00:54:00] welcome back. My guest is Aaron Cerrone. How you doing Aaron?

[00:54:07] Erin Sharoni: [00:54:07] I'm great. Thanks.

[00:54:08] Carl Lanore: [00:54:08] How are you? Wonderful, wonderful. Before we talk about these ingredients, we have to talk about you because you are amazing. You have spent every waking minute, since you were three years old, working on your resume. I mean, you.

[00:54:22] Yeah, I'm astonished. I want to talk more about you than the supplement. So, I mean, I'm just reading this. Natalie sent this to me, so I don't look like a Schmo. Erin is a multidisciplinary entrepreneurial with professional experience across sectors from biotechnology and digital health to media and finance.

[00:54:39] She has an academic background in biology and the arts, and is passionate about building innovative products that transform human health. Aaron is, has a master's degree is a master's degree candidate and biology at Harvard university, where her thesis works was focused on epigenetics and longevity. Did you find any of that last [00:55:00] conversation?

[00:55:00] Fascinating.

[00:55:01] Erin Sharoni: [00:55:01] I did actually I caught, I caught a bit of it. Yeah. That was really interesting. And, and thank you. I'm going to hire you as my personal publicist,

[00:55:09] Carl Lanore: [00:55:09] but I'll mumble when I'm not sure you can just introduce. So anyway, uh, this is fascinating. So you're youthful. You're young. Why are you even interested in helping people live longer and be healthier as they live long?

[00:55:23] Because let's face it being 90 years old and in a wheelchair, in an institution isn't fun.

[00:55:30] Erin Sharoni: [00:55:30] That's absolutely right. Um, I mean, I care so much about, about human health. It's why I moved into, uh, the biotech and digital health space about six or seven years ago. Um, but even before that, as a child, I was always fascinated by the body.

[00:55:44] Um, and my parents, I was lucky enough to grow up with parents who were very open-minded. I like to call them kind of like. You know, I guess they were hippies. Um, feeding me Kara before there were, there was a whole foods, you know, it was never allowed to eat any junk food. And I always thought that my life sucked until I grew up and [00:56:00] realized I was healthier than many of my peers.

[00:56:03] Um, so it was just something that I was very attuned to always into science and biology. Um, And, you know, and I'm an empathic person. I care about the health of our planet and the health of all the beams on it. I think it's really important that we realize everything is interconnected. Um, I think that was sort of a topic in your last conversation and I think it's really important.

[00:56:23] Health is not, um, You know, it's not, it's not, it can't be, it shouldn't be reduced to just its mechanisms. Right. I, I, I believe taking this holistic view of things. Um, so I guess that's a long-winded way of saying, why do I care about this one? First of all, I care about how I age, um, and you know, you, as you.

[00:56:44] Grow up, you see people around you, um, becoming sick or, you know, somehow disabled and, and it's sad. And, and so we've developed all these technologies to extend people's lifespans, but along the way, somehow I think people forgot about health span. Um, you know, my, [00:57:00] my, my grandfather, uh, may he rest in peace, um, developed Parkinson's when I was quite young and I watched him for, you know, 25 years suffer a very slow decline with the disease that, um, You know, didn't really have many options for improving quality of life.

[00:57:15] He was a prisoner in his own body. And so while he was alive, um, you know, I remember my uncle made a comment once, Hey, if I ended up like that, you know, uh, take me out. I don't want, right. I don't, I don't want to be in diapers. And I think everyone would agree with that. And so I thought, well, if we've got the capacity to understand, you know, the mechanisms behind aging, can't, we mediate those things with, with, with various interventions and what I came to understand.

[00:57:38] And all of my studies and my work was that a lot of those interventions are actually really simple and inexpensive and available to us. And they don't require very much technology, if anything at all right. You can really mediate it with diet and lifestyle and then support it with, um, you know, phytochemicals like working with the tube itself.

[00:57:59] Right. Um, [00:58:00] And, and a whole other conversation, which I'm sure you've had with other folks in your show would be, you know, the, the state of our biosphere and, uh, soil health. And so unfortunately the plants, uh, that we're eating today, it might not be quite as nutritious as, as the plants that, um, my parents or grandparents were eating.

[00:58:16] And therefore, you know, there is, I think, a place for appropriate supplementation. Um, but I I'm pretty, uh, I'm a pretty hard line in the idea of like, there is no silver bullet and you can't just pop a couple pills. Right. And say, well, now I'm going to live to be a,

[00:58:34] Carl Lanore: [00:58:34] yeah, you can't and you can't, you can't keep performing the bad behavior that made you sick and take a supplement and think, Oh, this is going to correct everything because that that's not the way it is.

[00:58:45] We do lots of we've been doing lots of shows for since 2006 about peptides, injectable peptides. Um, And, uh, I've had a lot of people reach out about some of the peptides we talked about and they're [00:59:00] very disappointed. You know, most people want to just say, Oh yeah, this is great. Just use that. And I'm like, well, you know, let's take a peptide that someone's taking for an autoimmunity.

[00:59:10] And I say, well, do you know why you have this rheumatoid arthritis? No, but I just want to take this peptide. Cause I heard that it's good for it. And I say, well, you're going to be let down because. If you take the peptide without eliminating the insult, the thing that's causing the problem, you're good.

[00:59:26] Feel hopeless. The peptide works, but you've got to identify what's causing that inflammatory response in your body. You have to eliminated it. It, you know, taking, um, any remedy without further eliminating the insult is like deciding to paint the walls on the house while it's on fire. It's like, well, no, it's on fire.

[00:59:46] Just get out. Don't don't invest time and money painting the walls. It's burning down.

[00:59:50] Erin Sharoni: [00:59:50] Right. And that's the difference, right? Between reductionism and wholesome. And there is a place for both reductionist, um, you know, reductionist approach and, and science is [01:00:00] extremely helpful and understanding underlying mechanisms and, you know, uh, developing diagnostics and treatments.

[01:00:06] But, but as you say, if you don't address the root cause, and sometimes by the way, it's so simple to fix that sometimes it's not. Um, then what's the point. It's like, it's like, Driving blind, you're going to

[01:00:17] Carl Lanore: [01:00:17] crash a

[01:00:20] Erin Sharoni: [01:00:20] blindfold off and you, you figure out what you're supposed to be going. Um, so yeah, it's something I feel quite passionate about some silly we're in agreement.

[01:00:27] Yeah.

[01:00:28] Carl Lanore: [01:00:28] Yeah, no, but you know what? More and more people. I have a lot of physicians that listen to the show more and more physicians are starting to understand that the way they are forced to treat. And practice medicine, the standards of care actually don't really care about the patient. They just care about the business, the profits and the structure of the, of the category.

[01:00:50] The standards of care is a horrible, horrible term because it, when you immediately turned to like, okay, Parkinson's disease, my sister died of [01:01:00] Parkinson's disease. I say those same words. She was trapped in her body and. When I look at how they treated her, the, the, uh, Levadopa and carbidopa sped the disease along, they raised the dose, she got worse, they raised the dose, she got worse and it's like, wait a minute.

[01:01:17] But that's the standard of care. That's not caring. That's just treating people like trash, which just, you know what, you're going to live for another 10 years. And we're going to get as much money out of you as we can. And that's it.

[01:01:30] Erin Sharoni: [01:01:30] It's unfortunate. I think, you know, we live in, in a sick care model as my old, uh, my old boss used to say, it's a sick care model, not a healthcare model, unfortunately in many ways.

[01:01:40] And that's not to indict any individual healthcare providers, all the healthcare providers I know, or, you know,

[01:01:45] Carl Lanore: [01:01:45] wonderful, wonderful people

[01:01:46] Erin Sharoni: [01:01:46] who are really passionate about, about helping, but. You know, they, they operate within a paradigm that is, is pretty rigid in many ways, depending, especially on what your specialty is and what they can and cannot do.

[01:01:59] Um, and [01:02:00] there's also, of course, the fact of which I'm sure everyone listening to your show is already pretty clued into, but, um, you know, physicians don't receive very much nutrition training if at all. Um, and, and I would argue that the nutrition training they are receiving is maybe questionable, um, because I don't think it's advisable to tell people to consume.

[01:02:17] Dairy every day, you know, which is a whole other conversation.

[01:02:20] Carl Lanore: [01:02:20] No, no, I get it. Yeah. Well, you're absolutely right. I mean, again, my sister, when she was in the hospital, I looked at the, they had to put a feeding tube in her cause she couldn't even swallow anymore. And I looked at the ingredients, it was soy protein, uh, um, uh, corn, corn syrup, corn solids.

[01:02:35] It was like, I, like, I actually went out and found a farmer in Arizona, started buying raw milk. I got whey protein for her. And I said, can you put this in her bag instead? And they didn't want to do it at first. And I told the doctor, look, soy protein is undigestible. It has trypsin inhibitors in it. So she's not getting any protein.

[01:02:52] I said, corn syrup and corn solids, like that's garbage. And finally they let me do it. And she actually looked like she was getting better for a [01:03:00] while, but that's another story. You're right. Nutrition is actually. When you look at the etiology of most diseases of modernity, I'd say roughly 70% of them can be traced back to nutrition, whether deficient or actually they are causing problems in the first place.

[01:03:14] But let's talk more about something exciting. Right? Let's talk, let's talk about something optimistic. Cause I'm an optimistic kind of guy. You have discovered 10 ingredients. That are out there, but not necessarily all in one supplement that actually compliment each other. And some of them, I know for a long time that a very, very effective these even fantastic trials on things like quercitin and F and FYSA tendon, like you decided, like why aren't these all in one supplement that was brilliant.

[01:03:45] Erin Sharoni: [01:03:45] Thank you. Well, I don't want to take credit for discovering any

[01:03:48] Carl Lanore: [01:03:48] of that.

[01:03:49] Erin Sharoni: [01:03:49] Not many people did all the work

[01:03:51] Carl Lanore: [01:03:51] before me

[01:03:51] Erin Sharoni: [01:03:51] and my partners, my business partners. Um, but yeah, this idea was like, I have a, uh, Cabinet, which I can't pick up the [01:04:00] computer to

[01:04:00] Carl Lanore: [01:04:00] show you

[01:04:01] Erin Sharoni: [01:04:01] at the cabinet of, of supplements. Like I'm sure many folks listening to this show have, because we're all concerned about our health.

[01:04:06] And some people want to, you know, have their longevity and other people are treating an illness. Um, and that's a whole other story about, about how I got into that. But, um, needless to say like many people, you know, I had this cabinet full of supplements and I was using them correctly. But when it came to longevity, I was like, Hmm.

[01:04:23] You know what, if we didn't have to have five different bottles, you know, what are the most rigorously researched ingredients? That, again, act as. And injuncted therapy to an already healthy lifestyle, not as a replacement, but as a support. Um, you know, I'm already doing all the things I believe I'm supposed to be doing more or less.

[01:04:43] No, one's perfect. Um, and so, you know, how can I make something that fits into my schedule? That's convenient? Um, high quality, it doesn't have excipients, uh, is non GMO is vegan, which is important, uh, to my lifestyle. Um, and, and so I was really excited. Um, One of my business partners [01:05:00] approached me and said, Hey, you know, we've been doing this research.

[01:05:02] And, uh, we, we, you know, we'd like to like you to join us and start working on building out this, this company. And so we launched officially in the U S um, On the 15th. So two days ago, I forgot what day it was.

[01:05:16] Carl Lanore: [01:05:16] Everybody. He just wants to see her to end. I know. We're just like, okay, let's call it. Let's end this year on the 15th.

[01:05:22] How about that one? No, you're right,

[01:05:24] Erin Sharoni: [01:05:24] exactly. I'm ready for 20. Pretty cool.

[01:05:27] Carl Lanore: [01:05:27] Talk about the individual ingredients for second. Cause we've talked about these, like I've done lots of shows. On cellular senescence, uh, with Dr. McKell black is glowing. He has been a regular guest on my show, and we've talked about like, things like quercetin was used along with dasatinib and had amazing results, but they want to talk about the dissatisfied because it's a drug that they can prescribe, but the quercetin may have actually had more benefits than the  in that study.

[01:05:53] So let's talk about the ingredients. Let's go down the list. What's the number one ingredient.

[01:05:57] Erin Sharoni: [01:05:57] Sure. So, so I wouldn't, I wouldn't [01:06:00] necessarily give weight to any specific ingredient, but I'll tell you what all the ingredients are. Um, which again, you know, you'll recognize all of them. So we of course, atten uh, cocuten resveratrol green tea extract, curcumin, glucosamine, sulforaphane.

[01:06:16] Piperine, that's a black pepper extract, uh, Tara still beam and FYSA 10. So you already mentioned a couple of them. Um, and those are the, those are the key ingredients in that. That's it. Um, and you know, individually, those ingredients are, you know, they're expensive. You don't know the quality of every single one.

[01:06:32] You have to try and source, you know, different, different supplements from different companies. You know, I had only a few companies that I would have trusted, um, when I was getting them individually. And so, um, yeah, most of them. Well, our, our, uh, polyphenols, which again, you have a very educated audience. So I think I don't have to explain that exactly.

[01:06:52] Um, and you know, it really speaks to the benefits of, uh, of a whole food plant-based diet, in my opinion, um, whether or [01:07:00] not you, you know, you can choose to mix that up, but eating lots of plants is helpful, obviously. And as you can see all of these anti-aging ingredients, most of which are act in some antioxidant.

[01:07:11] Capacity, um, and needing to inflammation. And obviously, you know, when you have inflammation in the body, you're going to incur disease. That's just what happens. Um, and so I like to refer to, uh, you know, the, the hallmarks of aging. So again, to the extent that your listeners are probably familiar with that, But things like, you know, um, acceleration of, uh, uh, sorry, uh, attrition of telomere length, um, changes in genetic expression.

[01:07:40] So changing the epigenome, um, deregulated nutrients, sensing, uh, general genomic instability. So, so, you know, DNA breakage and a lack of ability to prepare those DNA breaks really well. Exhausting, your STEM cells, um, cellular senescence, obviously, which is one that I'm personally very interested in. Um, and so some of these [01:08:00] ingredients also have analytic properties as well.

[01:08:02] And so, um, we actually are conducting a preclinical study right now. Um, a lot of supplement companies don't do that because it's expensive and you know, it takes time and, um, nobody, you don't like the results, but we felt it was really important because all of these ingredients individually have been really heavily researched

[01:08:20] Joel Greene: [01:08:20] over the last

[01:08:21] Erin Sharoni: [01:08:21] that's why they're in the product.

[01:08:22] And so we said, okay, well, if we take 10, these 10 ingredients, they're super high quality. And we combine them and we know that they have. You know, w what is that benefit? Um, and how can we measure it? Um, and so we're, we're looking to actually measure those benefits in the blood. Um, looking at cytokine assays, looking at cellular senescence and seeing, you know, uh, you know, does vice attendant actually.

[01:08:46] Uh, have some analytic properties, um, you know, in, in vivo when it's combined with these, with these other ingredients.

[01:08:52] Carl Lanore: [01:08:52] So I would imagine, I imagine you're going to find out that they work better because just like the  study, you know, just sat and it [01:09:00] worked better when quercetin was added to it. So that, that shows you the power of that polyphenol and people may want to poopoo polyphenols.

[01:09:09] Like, Oh, well, you know, every pharmaceutical drug is found in nature and then plucked out of its natural environment, isolated, synthesized, patented, and then sold to you. So, and we learned, we know, we know that that nature puts things together better than you than scientists do. And if quercetin works good on its own, it works even better in the, the things that.

[01:09:36] Have quercetin in them. So this, uh, you know, the whole polyphenol thing is very fascinating. Uh, two things I want to talk about, first of all, I did my first show on cellular senescence at the end of 2006, beginning of 2007, with a scientist from Rutgers. And this was a very simple concept. They proved that glucose signaling [01:10:00] is what space dead cellular cellular senescence.

[01:10:03] Now think about that simple context. Blood sugar goes up real high. Cells age faster. So this is resveratrol wheelhouse. Resveratrol has been shown to be more effective than Metformin milligram familiar yet all these people out there chugging down Metformin because they've been told they're going to live longer.

[01:10:24] Well, resveratrol works better than Metformin at controlling blood sugar, increasing sirtuins, which have been linked to longer, a better aging, but more importantly, unlike. Um, Metformin Rez, virtual doesn't interrupt M towards protein synthetic response. So think about this, all the benefits of, of, of, of Metformin without the muscle blunting, uh, effects to the weight training that you're doing.

[01:10:54] Resveratrol is magic. It's magic. The other thing that I think is brilliant is Glucosomine, [01:11:00] I'm sure a lot of people went well. I understand all these, but why Glucosomine we just talked about that study last week that shows that Glucosomine has been linked to living longer when they, when they looked at it, it was a couple obscure studies that nobody paid attention because everybody thinks, Oh, Glucosomine I don't have painful knees.

[01:11:16] I don't need that for my joint. Wait a minute. It's been linked to being able to live longer. They're not sure of the mechanism yet, but it's like undeniable. The people who took, uh, the, the, um, therapeutic dose was like a small dose. It was like 800 milligrams a day or 600 milligrams a day was all you needed to see the life extending effects.

[01:11:36] Do you get people as Aaron? I understand that, but why is glucosamine in there?

[01:11:41] Erin Sharoni: [01:11:41] No one's asked that yet. Actually I had someone say, Oh, I'm so glad this is in there because normally, you know, I just have to take a separate tablet. Um, and that was someone who actually did have joint pain. I have, I have a knee

[01:11:52] Joel Greene: [01:11:52] problem,

[01:11:53] Erin Sharoni: [01:11:53] which was a long standing injury.

[01:11:54] So, um, it wasn't something that was unfamiliar to me, but yeah, you're right. Sometimes the other beneficial effects [01:12:00] of these, uh, you know, these, these compounds get overlooked because. Look, studies are funded. Studies also are, you know, they're, they're study is driven by particular hypothesis. So maybe a researcher is not looking for something specific.

[01:12:14] Um, and that happens to be something that they find as, as you know, some additional outcome, which warrants further study. And it may or may not get picked up by another researcher, but we all know. How, how funding works, um, for better or for worse. And so to the extent that people are interested in funding, additional research to understand the underlying mechanism and then how that, you know, enhances, um, Longevity.

[01:12:38] Uh, that's great. And I think that that will probably continue to happen. And that's the exciting thing with all of these ingredients is that they are being very actively researched. And there's also a lot of research on them, uh, from an efficacy and a safety profile standpoint. But of course we want it to do our own research too.

[01:12:52] So that's what we're doing now and really, really excited about the results. I wouldn't put something in my body that I wasn't uncomfortable with. Um, you [01:13:00] know, like everyone listening to this show, we have very high standards. So, um, I think everyone is probably familiar with each of the individual ingredients.

[01:13:08] Um, and some of them are more popular right now than others. Right. Like, you know, resveratrol or sulforaphane or, or curcumin, and everybody is, you know, don't make trouble on their food now. And even the non biohacks.

[01:13:19] Carl Lanore: [01:13:19] Yeah. Right, right.

[01:13:22] Erin Sharoni: [01:13:22] I think you can get one of those, like lattes in the regular

[01:13:26] Carl Lanore: [01:13:26] coffee shop now.

[01:13:28] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

[01:13:30] Erin Sharoni: [01:13:30] they're not adding the Piper into, it's probably not gonna

[01:13:32] Carl Lanore: [01:13:32] happen. Mean the pipe ring is just increasing absorption of all of the other ingredients, right?

[01:13:38] Erin Sharoni: [01:13:38] Yeah, specifically, um, chimeric, uh, requires piperine for, for, to become more bioavailable. Um, so yeah, so that's, that's why that's there, um, on its own, it's obviously not an anti-aging ingredient.

[01:13:51] Um, but yeah, I'm really excited about, about the product and the potential that it has and, you know, making it easier for people to support them [01:14:00] healthy habits. Um,

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[01:14:48] So. Even if you, if, even if you are doing things that, you know, aren't the greatest for you, this could be a prophylaxis for you. Maybe it's not going to reverse aging completely, but it's going to stop you from [01:15:00] aging horribly from this point forward, you know, I, I always talk about. Removing the insults first and you will get better results.

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[01:16:21] Erin Sharoni: [01:16:21] Thank you. We really appreciate your support because we know that your, your listeners take your, your word seriously. Um, and I think that's, that's really important that you believe in whatever it is that you're, that you're, you're telling people to go out and buy, um, you know, anyone listening, when you do try our product, please reach out to us and let us know how you like it.

[01:16:41] Or even don't like it, you know, we, we want, we want the feedback. How do you think we can improve it? Or, you know, what excites you about it? Um, if you have any questions we're always available and. You know, we like to learn and iterate and that's the whole plan for this product is to keep testing, you know, keep reviewing the science rigorously.

[01:16:57] We've assembled. Um, A great scientific [01:17:00] advisory board and we'll start working with them as well on, um, ensuring that, you know, as new studies come out, we, you know, refine the product accordingly, whether that means adjusting, uh, concentration of certain ingredients, whether that means it's from, it comes from the outcome of our own study.

[01:17:17] Um, so we're really, we really believe that that's important is it's not just. You know, it, it's not about sick care. It's not about saying what is the maximum profit we can make for the least amount, you know, least amount of expense. It's about saying, how can we actually. Help support, uh, human health span and lifespan.

[01:17:34] And I believe that that really is sort of this holistic theory, right? It's like, if everybody is healthier and happier than you also will be healthier and happier, that might sound a little hokey. But I do believe it, you know,

[01:17:46] Carl Lanore: [01:17:46] from a, from a healthcare cost perspective, that's absolutely true. You know, I did a show probably.

[01:17:53] 10 years ago, where we looked at, we analyze that if this, a small percent of the population got healthy, [01:18:00] the impact on healthcare and that impact on healthcare. In fact, I did it with one of the founders of life extension, uh, I mean, AFRM, uh, I can't think of the doctor's name now, but he came on the show because there was a new president taking office at the time.

[01:18:16] And we did this whole show saying, look, here's how to fix healthcare. You don't keep throwing more money at it. You start giving people tools to get healthier. So the burden, the cost burden is reduced and we're not spending money on this stuff. And, uh, I forget it was re ridiculous billions of dollars that we could save in healthcare.

[01:18:38] If some small percent of the population took responsibility for their own health, and actually did things that over the course of a couple of years made them healthier.

[01:18:46] Erin Sharoni: [01:18:46] Oh, for sure. There's a Yale study that just came out. Um, I just actually saw it on LinkedIn this morning. I think someone posted it, uh, basically, and they crunched the numbers and they said, you know, if even some percentage of, I don't know if it [01:19:00] was this country's population or the global population, um, Shifted to a whole food plant-based diet, or at least a largely whole food plant-based diet.

[01:19:07] And essentially that means unprocessed, right? Um, even if you are consuming some fish for me, like, it just means you just need unprocessed food. So essentially everyone on a healthy diet would like allow Medicare for all to be completely affordable. It would save trillions of dollars. And so, you know, someone had said, well, Oh, so wait a second.

[01:19:26] It's. It's a, it's a, it's about profit. It's not actually about making Americans healthy, right? Because then that's not profitable, which is silly because I don't think that it's a zero sum game. I think, you know, people can be healthy and you can still, you know, uh, have for profit companies that there is always going to be illness and people are always going to need guidance.

[01:19:46] Um, but you know, to live in a system where you're always. Fixing the broken part, instead of trying to prevent that part from breaking to me is intellectually dishonest. Um, and ultimately it's a false [01:20:00] economy. It costs more money. People are unwell

[01:20:03] Carl Lanore: [01:20:03] and it doesn't have to be there. And the way we're doing it, the way we're doing it now, the insurance companies and the healthcare companies are all making more money.

[01:20:10] So if we fixed the population. They're making less money. I don't understand why that's, that's a, that's a horrible thing. Once again. SHR network.biz/live better. Get yourself some Juva sell. Use the code SHR save 20% off. Email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.. Give me your feedback. I want to hear from you and Aaron.

[01:20:30] Thank you so much for being here today.

[01:20:33] Erin Sharoni: [01:20:33] Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it. And we appreciate your support

[01:20:35] Carl Lanore: [01:20:35] and we'll see you again. I'm sure.

[01:20:37] Erin Sharoni: [01:20:37] Take care. Thanks. You too.

[01:20:39] Carl Lanore: [01:20:39] All right, so that's it for today? Uh, tomorrow's Friday, tomorrow's the 15th anniversary show. I hope you can make it live.

[01:20:45] We have a couple special guests coming on. We have so many wonderful the O's, uh, from listeners, um, from past guests. Uh, and we'll get a walk down memory lane, how this show started 15 years ago, [01:21:00] uh, what directions it took and changed and why those directions changed and what we hope for the upcoming years.

[01:21:08] So that tomorrow, uh, hope you can show up. If not, you there's always the podcast and a YouTube and Facebook videos that you can catch on rerun. Okay. That's it for today. See you tomorrow. [01:22:00]