[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] Welcome back to supremer radio at the beginning of a great year. I can just feel it for all of us. I can feel it. Today is January 9th, 2020. Uh, we have an episode of renew life RX and this episode is very timely. Um, cause recently, uh, something went viral on the internet. Was shared by so many people. It was an article in MSN about a study that was published in the journal of a transition, a trends  medicine, and a group.

[00:00:33] Has taken it upon themselves to come out with the standards and guidelines for testosterone therapy for men. And the basic takeaway of it is that men really don't need testosterone therapy, except in the cases where, uh, they have lost their libido. And this, this is just a really, uh, this is really a very, very insulting study, uh, given [00:01:00] the body of evidence that it is so much more than that.

[00:01:03] So there's no one better to talk about this. Then the first step to changing your life

[00:01:09] Ronnie Milo: [00:01:09] starts with the renew life show with Adam Lamb.

[00:01:14] Carl Lanore: [00:01:14] I thought Adam Lamb, I told Adam, we got to make a new intro.

[00:01:18] Ronnie Milo: [00:01:18] Yeah.

[00:01:19] Carl Lanore: [00:01:19] That's not Adam Lamb folks, although you don't want . Maybe you say you're Adam Lamb, you go on, you do cold bed things and you know, he gets blamed for it, or something like that.

[00:01:27] I guess it doesn't work like that. You gotta look like I'm then how are you? Happy new year.

[00:01:31] Ronnie Milo: [00:01:31] I'm great, man. I'm great. I'd be new here. So,

[00:01:35] Carl Lanore: [00:01:35] um, did you, did you see this, uh, article that went around the internet that was, uh, on MSNs website about the new guidelines for testosterone therapy in men?

[00:01:47] Ronnie Milo: [00:01:47] I did not. I did not see that one.

[00:01:49] Carl Lanore: [00:01:49] The, um, I think I have this study right here in front of me, actually. I want, maybe I don't. Yes, there it is. Yeah. Yeah. So this study was just [00:02:00] published. It was published in, uh, November, excuse me, um, of 2019. And, uh, it's called the vascular pathways of, Oh, I'm sorry. That's, I'm looking at the wrong study. I apologize.

[00:02:16] That's not the study. The study I'm looking for is gone. But anyway, basically what this study came up with, the only legitimate reason to consider testosterone for an aging man is libido. And you happen to run across this study we're going to talk about, which was the one I was just about to refer to, which is the vascular pathways of testosterone.

[00:02:37] This is a clinical implication, uh, paper, right? And so, uh. Let's, let's talk about this study and then let's come back at the end of the show and revisit what, and I'll have the other paper in front of me, what this other group found. Okay. So what do you think? What did this paper say?

[00:02:55] Ronnie Milo: [00:02:55] Yeah, so this study is actually a run off the press, and it was done in November of this [00:03:00] 2019 and it's the vascular pathway of testosterone and it shows the relationship between, you know, test low testosterone and cardiovascular disease.

[00:03:09] And then it also shows you the. Um, the repercussions of low testosterone contributing to a bunch of different illnesses, not just specifically targeting cardiovascular disease, but also how to prevent or reverse cardiovascular disease with testosterone replacement

[00:03:25] Carl Lanore: [00:03:25] therapy. Well, so, so why buy bites? They stay there for a second, just for a second.

[00:03:30] So cardiovascular disease does not occur in and of itself, right? The cardiovascular disease is a down. Uh, down the path, a result of metabolic disorder, of insulin resistance of a variety of inflammatory diseases. And so, yeah, yeah. No, he's, no one gets, you don't just get cardiovascular disease like, Oh yeah, your heart gets sick by itself and the rest of your body's running perfectly.

[00:04:00] [00:03:59] It's the end stage of living decades, uh, with, with a metabolic disorder.

[00:04:07] Ronnie Milo: [00:04:07] And it takes years and years and years to get cardiovascular disease. It doesn't happen overnight. No. Right. You don't

[00:04:12] Carl Lanore: [00:04:12] pick up with it. So by saying they, they were interested in cardiovascular disease, it's kind of disingenuous because what they're really interested in is probably more metabolic syndrome.

[00:04:25] Ronnie Milo: [00:04:25] Yeah, well, actually they had a little study says in that the study kind of goes into what cardiovascular disease is and what is contributing factors of cardiovascular vascular disease. And it's like you said, metabolic syndrome type two by diabetes, uh, additional dyslipidemia,

[00:04:41] Carl Lanore: [00:04:41] AMIA,

[00:04:43] Ronnie Milo: [00:04:43] hypertension, obviously arthrosclerosis.

[00:04:46] So, and then it goes and kind of checks the correlation between what is causing that. Obviously lifestyle and nutrition is one of them, but the second one was low testosterone. They did a study showing, you know, they took a control group, a meta analysis, and they controlled [00:05:00] the study showing that this, the demographic that says condition to cardiovascular disease, that low testosterone between.

[00:05:07] It was eight to 48 nanograms per deciliter. Testosterone, president of the system.

[00:05:12] Carl Lanore: [00:05:12] I mean, that was their total test. Yeah. Was that free or that, that was

[00:05:16] Ronnie Milo: [00:05:16] total. That was total, yeah. They didn't go into free, so then they went ahead and they get, they

[00:05:22] Carl Lanore: [00:05:22] did. I, I, I'm not sure, but I think spinach has more testosterone right in it than that.

[00:05:28] Ronnie Milo: [00:05:28] Right. Exactly. Exactly. Then they won't have him to go ahead to the testosterone replacement therapy. And I think it was only a hundred milligrams. A M Mila Mahana a hundred milligrams a week, uh, for, uh, 16 weeks. And they showed improved, uh, markers of decreasing of cardiovascular disease by obviously, uh, uh, decreasing metabolic syndrome, decreasing insulin resistance, decreasing obesity.

[00:05:55] Obviously, hypertension went down, and then it goes more into the study showing on [00:06:00] how it directly a testosterone replacement kind of mitigates these kind of effects and it's, it goes into two different things. Nasal diet, vasodilatory and vasal relaxation. Right. So what it's saying is  testosterone triggers several genomic and non genomic pathways leaving, leading to improve, uh, several cap cardiovascular risks and quality of life also with sexual hormones as well.

[00:06:29] So it's a pretty, it's a pretty long, uh, study. But what it is too, is since, you know, the new year rolls around and we get a lot of new patients in the clinic, and we'll get all this questions I get all the time, especially in the, in the, uh. Onboarding processes, does testosterone cause cardiovascular disease, heart attack, stroke, and cancer?

[00:06:49] So what I try to do is I tried to provide them information, not just me telling them, but tried to provide them information on why, uh, those are myths, right? So this is the one [00:07:00] study I came across to showing that actually an improved starting of vascular disease tenfold, uh, by just correcting one thing.

[00:07:06] It's cardiovascular disease. I mean, a little testosterone. So,

[00:07:10] Carl Lanore: [00:07:10] Hey, you know, something interesting. Just this is just like a, a little tangential thing. So think about what you just said, that they measured dilatory effects and relaxation, which means dilation is not the same as relaxation. And, and, and so we know this about the heart too, right?

[00:07:33] So people think the heart is relaxing on the. On the upstroke when it's opening, it's not, it's working just as hard to pull itself open like a bellows as it does to compress and push the blood back out again. And, and, and the, and the heart only relaxes when you start to get down into the, below the 60 range where those pauses are [00:08:00] much longer.

[00:08:01] But to that point, the, so the cardiovascular system as a whole. Must have that same phenomenon. When you think that a blood vessel in its dilated form, it's actually working hard to dilate. It's not relaxing because if it was relaxing, then they wouldn't be checking for the relaxed state is either either.

[00:08:22] You know what I mean? Yeah.

[00:08:23] Ronnie Milo: [00:08:23] And then the study, it also covers how the androgens actually downregulate and voltage calcium and upregulate potassium. So you see the relaxation of the, uh,

[00:08:34] Carl Lanore: [00:08:34] of the vessels and  and let me tell you it. So anybody who's ever done Tren Balone knows your heart rate picks up sometimes 20 beats a minute, once you, once you're on.

[00:08:46] And that is because that trend bologne. Has the most profound effect on calcium channel activity and cardiomyocytes. So it's basically, it's like you have a little dial that you feed in power [00:09:00] to the heart. You go, Oh, I'm going to turn it up a little bit. And now the heart school, it's so super sensitive.

[00:09:05] Calcium channels are firing faster, faster, faster, so you know it. So think about that for a second. The profound effect that these hormones have. On the electrical system of the heart because they modulate and attenuate minerals, electrolytes, and this is where strength comes from, from these drugs because they increase calcium channel activity in all muscle.

[00:09:32] It's why trend bologne makes you so friggin strong. You can do work you don't even want to do. It's because they'll, the calcium channels are ramped up. And muscle activate harder and faster. So you can really attribute to the sh the strength gains acquired from performance enhancing drugs to their ability to manipulate amino acid pools and the pathways that they pass through

[00:09:59] Ronnie Milo: [00:09:59] back in the day [00:10:00] for bodybuilding.

[00:10:00] Louise actually take calcium before we trained, right? So getting more contractile force of the muscle, you know. So, yeah, but that was an old school trick. I don't think it works

[00:10:10] Carl Lanore: [00:10:10] well. It could. I'm not a proponent of taking calcium. When you look at how much calcium you have in the average diet, it's one of the most, it's probably the most abundant mineral in the average diet, perhaps second to sodium, you know?

[00:10:26] And then obviously potassium is to film, but no. A lot of people take calcium supplements and doctors are very, very negligent to do this. They'll, they'll take a woman who comes in and she has a scan and they say, Oh, you know, you're starting to get a little thinning of your bones. You've got some up, uh, osteoporosis or, uh, osteopenia, and we're going to give you some vitamin D and we're going to give you some calcium.

[00:10:50] That's a big mistake because that, that actually has been shown to increase heart attack rates, but, but, but they never say to them. What's your diet look like? [00:11:00] Write it down. Cause the doctor doesn't want to be bothered with her diet and he doesn't even know what to w what it means anyway. But most people are getting 1,015 hundred milligrams of calcium a day in their diet.

[00:11:08] Even if they eat crap food.

[00:11:12] Ronnie Milo: [00:11:12] I drink milk all day and that has calcium in it.

[00:11:16] Carl Lanore: [00:11:16] So you gotta be careful with calcium.

[00:11:19] Ronnie Milo: [00:11:19] Yeah. So I mean, going back to your point on the trembling too, obviously it puts out contractile force of the, of the heart, but also increases dramatically the hemoglobin tenfold. So your body's got to produce or are actually, your heart has to produce more to get the blood through the, uh, in the arterial space.

[00:11:34] So

[00:11:34] Carl Lanore: [00:11:34] they're pumping, pumping mud,

[00:11:38] Ronnie Milo: [00:11:38] blood. I see a lot of people that on tremble on and their blood pressure is like one 50 over 100. So.

[00:11:45] Carl Lanore: [00:11:45] Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. So, um, was there anything else in this study that kinda surprised you? Uh,

[00:11:51] Ronnie Milo: [00:11:51] I mean, yeah, there was definitely a bunch of different things, you know, uh, you know, clinical  clinical implications of testosterone, the vascular system.

[00:11:59] I mean, there [00:12:00] was, it's, it's a pretty intense, I mean, you read it, it's a pretty in depth thing. Um, and I, I read it probably three times over again, cause every time I read it, I catch something new. You know what I mean? Um. Uh, you know, increasing, uh, the outcome of adverse cardiovascular resists, uh, resistance.

[00:12:17] Uh, I mean, there's a bunch of different stuff in there that it's, uh, it's pretty interesting.

[00:12:22] Carl Lanore: [00:12:22] Yeah. And so the, at the end of the study that, that the authors suggest, uh, that testosterone needs to be studied more. Uh, because of these outcomes, because they, they, they kind of sounded like at the end of the study that they was suggesting that people need to consider, doctors need to consider testosterone therapy.

[00:12:42] What instead of treating this myriad, this web of disorders that seem to occur hand in hand, and, and, and that, that's the frustrating message to me because that's the message we've had forever. You know, we've had this message forever in smart doctors. [00:13:00] Who've been prescribing testosterone will say, I give my patient testosterone.

[00:13:05] I don't have to give them a Staten drug. I don't, I don't have to give them, you know, a anxie lytic. I don't have to give them an antidepressant. I don't have to give him a blood pressure med. I don't have to, you know, it's like those are the doctors that are really seeing the benefits in their patients of testosterone therapy, but the average doctor isn't there because he's not prescribing testosterone.

[00:13:27] No,

[00:13:27] Ronnie Milo: [00:13:27] not at all. And then a study too, it kind of touched into cholesterol as in, you know, low testosterone, uh, contributes to low HDLs, high LDL, high triglycerides, and high VLDL. And they've shown that a testosterone replacement actually reverses that, right? Triglycerides come down, VLDL comes down, uh, LDL comes down, HDL comes off.

[00:13:49] So. That's another, uh, another plus for the testosterone.

[00:13:52] Carl Lanore: [00:13:52] Well, and, and, and one of the largest segments of supplements today that's kind of crossed over from the, uh, sports [00:14:00] performance supplement side over to the general population side are nitric oxide, uh, enhancers or boosters, if you will. And, uh, and nothing, nothing raises nitric oxide levels appropriately because there's lots of different nitric oxide pathways, you know, Venus , uh, endothelial not, I mean, there's all these different nitric oxide pathways.

[00:14:23] And one of the things that seems to have the greatest beneficial effects on them is to stop  

[00:14:32] Ronnie Milo: [00:14:32] right. And like I said, it also goes into, you know, obviously reversing type two diabetes, obesity, metabolic syndrome, arthrosclerosis, blood pressure. Uh, I mean, there's a whole bunch of different benefits of factors that it also covers in the study as well, not just cardiovascular disease.

[00:14:47] Carl Lanore: [00:14:47] Right, right. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Dyslipidemia. Okay, so there goes your, there goes your stat and drug don't need that. Now. Yeah,

[00:14:55] Ronnie Milo: [00:14:55] it's if you could fix the root of the problem, all the other symptoms would go away. And that's the problem with [00:15:00] Western medicine is they don't want to fix the root of the problem.

[00:15:01] I want to put a bandaid

[00:15:02] Carl Lanore: [00:15:02] on it. I want it to, I want to do a special dedicated discussion about this today because you and I would kind of talk, I really don't believe it's conspiracy theory, but I do see some things I'd like to bounce off of you and see if you see the same things, but I know it's sad and who suffers from this.

[00:15:22] Just the same way, you know, uh, any other business when, when, when the companies you're dead or you're doing business with, uh, aren't really doing the right thing by you. You suffer. And really it's patients. We're talking about quality of life. We're talking about length of life. We're talking about improvement from disease States.

[00:15:41] And, uh, it's, it's, it, it's not being paid attention to at all. And

[00:15:46] Ronnie Milo: [00:15:46] it's all the house of longevity. You know, when I, when I speak to somebody, I'm not. We're, we're trying to fix the issue now, but I'm still wanting to protect you too. You're 75, 85 years old and this is the, this is the preventative, every measure to do it.

[00:15:58] You know what I mean? Cause if not, then you're going [00:16:00] to be spending money at a, uh, at a medical doctor's office, spending money on prescriptions.

[00:16:05] Carl Lanore: [00:16:05] Yeah, no. So I want to take a quick commercial break. When we come back, I want to have this other study that's going around the internet to kind of, uh, juxtapose this discussion with, and, and then I also want to talk about.

[00:16:17] You know why this is happening. I know there's a lot of people out there that love to think there's a conspiracy theory, uh, within the medical industry, and, and, and it's, it's, it's, it's not that just like, it's not in any other industry that you don't agree with, uh, their approaches. But I want to, I want to explore that with you.

[00:16:35] Ronnie Milo: [00:16:35] Okay. Yeah.

[00:16:37] Carl Lanore: [00:16:37] All right. I'm going to take a quick commercial break. Stay tuned. We'll be right back with more of the renew life RX show. Uh, you can learn how to improve your own journey by going to renew life rx.com stay tuned.

[00:16:57] welcome back. I was [00:17:00] actually looking at the MSN article. I'm going to read it. I'm going to read him. . It's a, it's shocking how, like, you know, medicine is supposed to be science and how you could arrive at such polar opposite opinions of something. Uh, and assuming that it's all in the face of science, it's just, it's really amazing to me, you know.

[00:17:26] Um, so this is a, this was published in the annals of internal medicine. And, uh, this study came from the college of physicians. It was released Monday, uh, older men. It says that the title of the article is most older men don't need testosterone replacement. New guidelines say older men whose testosterone levels have dropped over the years should only be given testosterone replacement to treat sexual dysfunction according to [00:18:00] new guidelines.

[00:18:01] From the American college of physicians released Monday. It goes on to say that sales, uh, of, uh, treatments for low testosterone or low T, a triple from 2001 to 2011, fueled by direct to consumer advertising, promising that androgen replacement therapy, uh, in short form of skin patches, topical gels, pills and shots could restore men's vitality and libido.

[00:18:30] That trend reversed. Uh, starting in 2013, I studies were published suggesting the treatment carried the risks of stroke and heart attack. I want to address those. Ronnie, make a note. In 2016, the U S food and drug administration ordered manufacturers to list warnings of risks of heart disease, heart-related and mental health side effects.

[00:18:56] On products and label. Uh, and we'll, let me make sure we talk about mental health [00:19:00] stuff too. But the drug remains popular, driven by direct to consumer TV ads. Uh, said Dr. Robert McClain, president of the American college of physicians. You can't watch cable TV without seeing an ad saying, Hey, check your T.

[00:19:17] we all know this is a Mark. This is marketing testosterone replacement as kind of the fountain of youth McLean. Said on a telephone interview, ACP, uh, did I, so I want to, I want to stop there for a second. The bottom line is they came away with this study as saying that the only reason I'm here, let me find a conclusion.

[00:19:38] The evidence is still early and minimal. Uh, said Dr. Julie Wood of the American Academy of family physicians who endorsed the guidelines on, in a telephone interview. We were, I think we are still lacking evidence in many areas, is in long term evidence as far as potential risks said. Would, um. Well, you [00:20:00] may in a few years have the evidence about cardiovascular disease and prostate cancer and other issues.

[00:20:05] This is what we know right now. So I want to address that first real quick. So what I understand that replacement is different than what is in innately in you, only because. What's innately in. You kind of stops being produced and now you're going to use something to replace it with. But the idea that testosterone causes heart disease and prostate cancer in a vacuum can be disputed by every 16 to 30 year old male on the planet, right.

[00:20:47] Who doesn't get prostate cancer? Who doesn't develop heart disease? Who does it develop any of these potential disorders, uh, and has the highest levels of testosterone [00:21:00] a male will have at that point in their lives. So it can't just be testosterone is the culprit here. You have to say something else. It's something else.

[00:21:10] And blaming it on testosterone is disingenuous. It just is. Well,

[00:21:15] Ronnie Milo: [00:21:15] we know, obviously the kind of a. Magic potion for cancer, right? It's not directly correlated to a sexual hormones. It's inflammation, it's stress, obviously oxidation, stuff like that to start from, and actually in this study, it shows our study that shows that it decreases mitochondrial dysfunction, CRP, C, reactive protein and inflammation, right?

[00:21:37] So right off the bat that that studies the bunk, but let's also look at the source of the study, right? Was it from the college of physicians? Right? And it's got a bunch of physicians on there doing it. I have this argument all the time with my, my family doctor when I go in and he always asks me, are you on testosterone?

[00:21:56] Yes sir. And then he's like, you know, it's bad for you. And I said, well, let me ask you a [00:22:00] question. When you were in med school, how many hours or chapters did you allocate on hormones and hormone replacement? Zero. How many hours did you allocate on nutrition? Zero. So how are you a professional in this? And, and they kind of look at me and they're like, you're, you're, you're right.

[00:22:16] They don't want to say I'm right. Right. Because obviously they think they're smarter than,

[00:22:20] Carl Lanore: [00:22:20] yeah. They have to you, you came to them. So they have to be smarter than you. You know what I mean? Theoretically, you know, it

[00:22:27] Ronnie Milo: [00:22:27] triggers that. So all the time, and then he kinda like changes the subject on me. Right. And then he kind of, you know, and he's, he used to be a bodybuilder too.

[00:22:34] He's a, he's a very good, very good doctor. Right. And if, you know, if I had some other issues, I mean, that'd be more than happy to, to listen to them output. He kinda, he kinda just, just dismisses it. So, and, and in the clinic, I have a lot of physicians that come to us. You know, I have heart surgeons, I have brain surgeons.

[00:22:49] I have, you know, dentists orthodontics, uh, you know, you name it and they'll tell you they don't see just any of that in med school. Right. It was just basically an agenda that they [00:23:00] taught. And then that was it. So, so right off the bat, looking at the sources, they're basing that off of an agenda. Right? I don't know what agenda or where it's coming from, but if you probably do a third party research on that, and then with somebody that has no, uh, you know, political role

[00:23:17] Carl Lanore: [00:23:17] or I don't know, flesh in the game, so to speak,

[00:23:20] Ronnie Milo: [00:23:20] like, you know, like the studies that we tried to pull, uh, then you'll see that obviously a lot of the stuff that they're trying to, to, to communicate, it's going to be debunked, right?

[00:23:29] So. And I think that's funny all the time. Cause when I do have these conversations with the doctors, they're just like, yeah, you're right. 100% I can't argue with you.

[00:23:36] Carl Lanore: [00:23:36] Right?

[00:23:37] Ronnie Milo: [00:23:37] And I'm not

[00:23:38] Carl Lanore: [00:23:38] doing that. Being arrogant. And he's just repeating what he's being told because he is supposed to, because doctors have to live in the realm of what is considered the standard of care.

[00:23:46] And any time they step out of that, even if they help somebody by stepping out of it, they take a huge risk because someday they'll step out of it. And a person. Situation won't turn out well and they get [00:24:00] sued. So by staying in the, in the, in the press, the protective bubble of the standard of care, they, they, they mitigate any responsibility for anything goes wrong with that patient.

[00:24:10] Even if they could have helped that patient by doing something different. And, and

[00:24:15] Ronnie Milo: [00:24:15] I run into this issue all the time, is obviously when you come through the process to renew life, one of the processes to get a physical completed, right? Cause the doctors obviously, uh, in Michigan. And, and through legality, we needed to have a physical performance to be medically clear to, to be treated by us.

[00:24:31] Right. So when they go to get their physical, uh, completed, they always have the physicians or the nurse practitioner.

[00:24:40] Carl Lanore: [00:24:40] Yeah. Why are you getting this?

[00:24:41] Ronnie Milo: [00:24:41] Right. And as soon as they say, you know, hormone replacement, either they're on the phone with me or they want to talk to Dr. Parker. Right. What, why? Why would they need test off or replacement or they won't sign it.

[00:24:52] And I've had people go to four or five different clinics, try to get the, the, the physical filled out just to be medically cleared for it. [00:25:00] So they won't sign it because of, you know, liability. Right? They're like, Oh, automatically dismissed. We don't want to write.

[00:25:05] Carl Lanore: [00:25:05] Won't

[00:25:06] Ronnie Milo: [00:25:06] have anything to do with this. Right.

[00:25:07] Too much liability. You know, we don't want to be, we don't want to get in trouble. So, so I always recommend when you go in there and just tell them that you're looking to work on an online health and wellness clinic, and that's it. Don't say anything about HRT. T O, T, T, R, T, testosterone

[00:25:21] Carl Lanore: [00:25:21] hormones. You know what?

[00:25:22] You know what's really funny? I'll take it a step further. You don't own them. You don't owe them a reason. Yeah, exactly. I really don't see, we're afraid to tell our doctors what we think. We're afraid to tell the nurses what we think because we, because the, the, the purpose of the American medical association, we did a show about this years ago with Randy Roach.

[00:25:43] The AMA was a pay for play organization and they had a journal and you had a pay to get advertising in that journal and you had to pay to get your papers published in that journal. And they knew early on. If we can make [00:26:00] medicine this bastion of purity and knowledge that no one can question us, and that's how people like my parents' generation, the doctor said, ah, you got to take this, and you knew it was going to kill you.

[00:26:15] You, you might just take it anyway because the doctor told you to. So you don't owe them. And I want a physical. I do. I have to have a reason for one on one physical. No, you don't. Okay. That's it. Yeah. And also

[00:26:28] Ronnie Milo: [00:26:28] too, you got to look where the funding comes from for these studies because they cost a lot of money, right?

[00:26:32] So they have to go find funding and they're probably going to a pharmaceutical company for funding, or they're going to, uh, you know, uh, college of medicine or a college of physicians to get the funding. And then the funding will say, Hey, we need you to read this and this outcome. If not, we're going to pull the funding.

[00:26:49] And I, I've seen that in, in the supplement industry before.

[00:26:53] Carl Lanore: [00:26:53] Right?

[00:26:53] Ronnie Milo: [00:26:53] You know, when I worked back in the subtle industry is they were doing studies on supplementation, obviously to, uh, to have a greater [00:27:00] purpose. But if the, if the purpose, the outcome didn't

[00:27:02] Carl Lanore: [00:27:02] go to there, it didn't match what they wanted to see, they just squash it.

[00:27:06] Ronnie Milo: [00:27:06] They pulled the funding. Right. And then obviously the, the study was inconclusive. Right. You know what I mean? I've seen him before, and what I'm starting to see too, is, you know, the, the medical agenda now is split 50, 50. Right? 50% of the physicians are on board with hormone replacement. 50% of the physicians are, aren't onboard with it.

[00:27:25] I had a psychologist called me other day and referring to one of our patients and uh, he told her, you know, Hey, I'm on hormone replacement. And she's like, okay, who, who's the company has to renew life? And she said, well, can I talk to whoever you're in contact with? She called me, she says, Hey, I think you'd be doing a great job.

[00:27:40] She says, I think, I wish there was more people or more companies and the, and the, you know, in Western medicine that would do this because I think this is great because it will fix. All kinds of other different symptoms. I'll just write, she's, she's, you know, she's writing medication for depression, anxiety,

[00:27:56] Carl Lanore: [00:27:56] right?

[00:27:57] Well, I wanna I wanna I wanna I wanna I want to talk about [00:28:00] that. So I asked you to make notes when we were, when I was reading that thing, I says, make note of that. One of the things was mental health, right? Mental health. So, so it's, no, it's, most clinicians who are working with young people that suffer from various types of psychosis will tell you.

[00:28:19] That the onset of these behavioral changes happens during puberty. You have a perfectly wonderful, lovely child, eight years old, nine years old, 10 years old, 11 years old, 12 years old, 13 like all of a sudden they just change right before your eyes, whatever the psychosis may be. All right? It could be schizophrenia, it could be a bipolar disorder, and it starts when testosterone and estrogen and DHT and [00:29:00] boys, uh, you know, and progesterone and a start to flood the bloodstream to create the, the human that is going to go out and breed.

[00:29:13] And the BR, and that has a direct effect just to what we said a couple of minutes ago about how, how these hormones have direct effect on modulating and attenuating electrolytes in muscle. They also have an effect on neuroendocrine pathways, dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine, epinephrine. Exactly. And that's when personalities change.

[00:29:37] So there is, there are groups of people undeniably. That, um, may not farewell with any kind of hormone therapy. I mean, they, they may not, they may Jack themselves up by going to GNC and buying D H E a and taking it  because they will. And so you see the, in studies [00:30:00] on older individuals, uh, with hormone replacement and some portion of the study.

[00:30:08] Subjects end up dropping out some small portion, you know, maybe it's 12% or something like that drop out because of the onset of anxiety, because of the onset of hallucination, because of the onset of, uh, you know, uh, depression. So it's true that that one, we can't deny there are people that not, so most of us, we get on hormones and we feel good.

[00:30:35] Because our body is happy. We feel good in our brain. We feel good in our brain. Those androgens and estrogens, uh, are affecting our brain. That's where we feel good. Well, there are people out there who don't feel good. It makes them feel bad.

[00:30:53] Ronnie Milo: [00:30:53] Right? Well, there's some kind of underlining issue, right? There's always some kind of underlying issue that's contributing to these [00:31:00] symptoms.

[00:31:00] Right? And, uh, when you say disorder, it's like, who, who, who deem these as disorder? Right? Probably. You know, you're a great ancestors. Probably had anxiety, probably had bipolar, schizophrenia, but they weren't labeled as disorder. And so later down the

[00:31:16] Carl Lanore: [00:31:16] road, no, no, no. They would, they would, they were thought to be witches and, and, uh, and devils and they would drowned.

[00:31:23] That's really what happened to them. I mean, that's, that's that I'm, I'm being not being facetious, like when people had behavioral disorders. They were thought to be like devils or witches or, you know, uh, incubus is, and they were killed. Right? Of course, their behavior was wonky, you know,

[00:31:42] Ronnie Milo: [00:31:42] some kind of outlining issue that's contributing to those, right?

[00:31:46] Some people just, that's your genetics, right? They might just be have that, you know, predisposition for that, but some are lacking something in their body, whether it's nutrition, hormones, whether it's whatever the case may be.

[00:31:57] Carl Lanore: [00:31:57] But I will, I will say there are [00:32:00] people out there that even if you got their nutrition straight and you, you did like a stellar job on.

[00:32:07] On synchronizing all of their hormones, replacing the ones that need to be replaced. They would still have bad outcomes mentally because they are defective. They were born with a defect. I want a natural hormone that's produced that puberty rushes through their body that makes everybody else feel virile and an excited and happy.

[00:32:24] It makes them feel bad. That's there's something's not wired. Right.

[00:32:28] Ronnie Milo: [00:32:28] Right. And that's genetics. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but yeah, I mean, like I said, you know, it's, it's, it's interesting to see as we treat a lot of patients, you know, obviously with low hormones and stuff in that nature, and we'll see a, uh, a decreasing of anxiety, a decreasing of the depression, bipolar and stuff in that nature.

[00:32:47] So it's pretty, pretty cool to hear because they'll report back to me. Cause look, we do a checkup every two weeks, every one month, one and a half months, two months. And then the email, I always brought how you feel on how you doing other symptoms of siding. And they'll write [00:33:00] me back a pretty much a detailed email.

[00:33:02] Hey, I feel great. Sleeps good anxieties down, stresses down, body compositions, getting better. So it's like, okay, well what we're doing is working, so let's keep you on the straight path. You know what I mean? And they're really appreciative though.

[00:33:14] Carl Lanore: [00:33:14] Yeah. Um, what were the other two I asked you to write down?

[00:33:17] I want to make sure I

[00:33:18] Ronnie Milo: [00:33:18] know. Stroke and

[00:33:20] Carl Lanore: [00:33:20] cancer. Okay. So the stroke one depends on the delivery method of the hormone.  excuse me. A couple of actually stroking a couple things when they're giving methylated orals to women, whether it's methyl pregnazone or whether it's a methylated birth control pill, or whether it's a HRT approach to, uh, a methylated, uh, equine estrogen or progesterone, the methylation process.

[00:33:53] Uh, causes an increase, a rapid, a very worrisome increase in thrombotic index index [00:34:00] of the blood. Declotting ability of blood clotting should not be confused with viscosity. Clotting is a result of sticky proteins in the blood. Uh, viscosity could have something to do with dehydration or poor mineral balances, a variety of things, but, uh, or, or too many red blood cells.

[00:34:22] Um, but, but, but clotting is different. These are proteins. They are sticky. They cause everything to clump together, like sludge, like hunks and chunks of sludge. And so we know that methylated drugs do this. So saying that Astra din does that. Is is, uh, is, uh, is a, is a lie by way of omission. Like they're not really teasing out all the details for you, but the other side of it is if someone's taking super physiological doses, uh, well, first of all, if somebody says to me, I'm on 200 milligrams of testosterone a week and I got to get off because my doctor said my red [00:35:00] blood cells, my hemoglobin is going through the roof, then I would, the first thing I would think of is, okay.

[00:35:08] Testosterone esters that are injectable oils. They have a curve like this. It's very long. It's, you know, like it's, it's, it's, it's 28 days and, and, and your testosterone pulses every single day. So maybe there's some magic for you in that. Maybe if you went to a daily gel or cream, you would probably not see, uh, the three erythropoietic effect of your HRT.

[00:35:33] Um. There are people who will increase red blood cells. But again, red blood cells does not mean clotting. It means viscosity. It means your heart has to work a lot, frigging harder to pump that very dense blood around your body. So this one here, I don't buy it all the the, you know, the, the stroke also also stroke is, is a two [00:36:00] component.

[00:36:01] A occurrence, right? You've got the, the density and pressure inside the blood vessel, but you have the, the actual tensile strength of the blood vessel. And we know that when estrogen and progesterone start to fall apart in a woman's body and testosterone for that matter, when H w when a woman starts to go through menopause, that's when she gets spider veins and varicose veins.

[00:36:24] Yeah. And why is that? Because there's studies that show. That extra dial increases the resilience and the strength of blood vessels. So I don't, I don't buy the whole a blood clot one. I feel like they just got that one wrong. They just lumped a couple of things in. It's like, it's like me saying to you, uh, I'm allergic to peanut.

[00:36:46] And you give you a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Well, you didn't give me peanuts. You get, I mean, it's in there. It's in there. Which one did the jelly make me sick now? No. Did the bread make me sick? No. It's the peanuts that are in there. So the point is the delivery method [00:37:00] of what they are providing the patients is going to come to be more and more important once more studies have published about HRT as it relates to.

[00:37:12] Uh, uh, uh, stroke and any kind of embolism for that matter.

[00:37:16] Ronnie Milo: [00:37:16] Right. And then also you could measure homocysteine levels, right. Inflammation of the arteries to see if there's a, a, any kind of preachy predisposition for stroke. But also too, if you look at the factor of red blood cell count, um, you know, obviously there's a 90 day half-life of red blood cells, and what happens is at that 45 day Mark and the, uh, the red blood cells become very rigid and hard before they're able to be excreted through the liver.

[00:37:40] So they'll go ahead and scrape the arterial side and the sides of the arterial walls and cause some kind of inflammation and then the body shuttles plaque to try to kind of. You know, smoothing it over, kind of like if you have a road that has a bunch of potholes, you know, especially in New York, you have all the calls.

[00:37:54] So the body's natural ability to heal that is to, to shuttle plaque, to make it more of a, uh, [00:38:00] appliable area. So, um, you know, we'll, we do at the clinic, if you have a high H and H Howmedica reviewable oven, we'll go ahead and just tell you to go ahead and donate blood right. Go ahead and donate blood every three months just to kind of keep those levels down.

[00:38:13] But to really measure the clotting factor too is we measure MCH and MCH, M, C, H, C, those two things. They'll show you determination on how you can, how the blood does clot. Um, and also you'll see an elevation on those if you have any kind of liver damage. Right? Your body's not able to produce the, uh, the natural enzymes to help with the clotting factors of it.

[00:38:34] So, uh, there could be a position where your body doesn't clot as much or body class too much. Right? So we always measure those in the, in the blood.

[00:38:44] Carl Lanore: [00:38:44] Interesting. What was the last one before stroke?

[00:38:48] Ronnie Milo: [00:38:48] Cancer.

[00:38:49] Carl Lanore: [00:38:49] Cancer. Yeah. I mean, everything causes cancer today, right? Everything. Let's be honest to testosterone.

[00:38:57] An HRT isn't causing cancer. I have a friend who, [00:39:00] his wife was just diagnosed with breast cancer and the doctor said that it's a, it's, it's estrogen dependent, so they're putting her on. Estrogen deprivation therapy, you know, uh, I don't know what they used in first. They use something, so maybe honest result first and then Tamoxifen later or something like that.

[00:39:18] Yeah. You know, this is going to be horrible for her. And if, if, um,  there's gotta be other ways to handle those types of cancers without robbing a woman of really life preserving hormones has to be, yeah. We,

[00:39:36] Ronnie Milo: [00:39:36] my old clinic, we used to have a. A study that was published, I forget who published it, is they did it, uh, uh, an MRI of a breast that was fully encapsulated with cancer.

[00:39:48] Then they went and injected a testosterone pellet into the breast tissue, and then they took a, um, a Theon MRI like six to eight weeks after, and they showed that there was a significant decrease in the cancer cells around the breast issue. [00:40:00] So right off the bat, and that shows

[00:40:02] Carl Lanore: [00:40:02] could it be, be cause of the puncture.

[00:40:06] I mean that like, I'm thinking, okay. Yeah. I guess it could be because of the testosterone, but could it be because of the puncture itself? The, uh, could it be the trauma to the tissue? You know, cancer just moved out. It's like, Hey, we're not, because don't forget, cancer leverages anything that's good for healthy cells.

[00:40:24] It gets more of it. And maybe cancer also protects itself by, when the environment becomes hostile though. Like, Hey, let's just move out of here and go someplace else. Right. It

[00:40:32] Ronnie Milo: [00:40:32] just took off. It could have been that. It could've been a bunch of different things. Right. But it was pretty interesting to show that cause people Nestor question, like, it causes cancer.

[00:40:39] And then we would show them that image and it would be like, Oh, that's, that's interesting.

[00:40:43] Carl Lanore: [00:40:43] Well, you know, we've known since 2008 that testosterone doesn't cause cancer. They did the, um, the American journal of cancer society or the w I, I did an interview, I think it was the American journal of cancer society had a guy, um.

[00:41:00] [00:41:00] Who wrote a paper, a position paper for them. And it was, uh, androgens do not cause prostate cancer. And what they did was, you know, it was like a meta analysis of several, several papers. And really I asked them, I said, what, uh, was there anything that correlated? Cause I asked about DHT. No. You know, and they were looking at androgens.

[00:41:27] They weren't looking at estrogen, so he couldn't say to me, Oh yeah, extra dial does. Um, I says, was there anything in your study that you looked at that correlated to an increase in prostate cancer? He goes, well, yeah. SHBG

[00:41:41] Ronnie Milo: [00:41:41] really too high. Too low. High,

[00:41:46] Carl Lanore: [00:41:46] high. Yeah. But see, but see. That was 2008. Now, what we know about SHBG and mega Lynn and the real roles of SHBG, uh, it could be because SHBG was so high that it [00:42:00] made the, uh, uh, hormones that were causing the problem, which could be estrogen.

[00:42:06] Don't forget, as APG binds up estrogen too. Uh, it could be that because the, uh, SHBG was higher, more estrogen was being delivered to that prostate. Right. I had a more fit, cause we know that SHBG actually is, it's, it doesn't sequester and, and, and remove it. It, it delivers it. It's the, it's the, it's the, it's the chaperone.

[00:42:28] Ronnie Milo: [00:42:28] Yeah. It attaches to the testosterone molecule on the bloodstream,

[00:42:32] Carl Lanore: [00:42:32] attaches to all, all sex hormones. Right.

[00:42:34] Ronnie Milo: [00:42:34] And then it brings it into the Magdalene, and then Magallon brings it into the cell for, you know, DNA, RNA transcription,

[00:42:40] Carl Lanore: [00:42:40] and, and the reality is. If, if this, you know, you will meet two bone head Italian guys talking, right?

[00:42:46] Like, Oh mu if, if in fact it's whatever it is, whether it's estrogen, whether it's an androgen, whether it's a combination of both, where the prostate gets overwhelmed by a total sum of . If they [00:43:00] would re if they could reduce Megalodon. I bade a prostate cancer would go away because we know that Megalodon is required in order for SHBG to do its job.

[00:43:10] And we know what its new job is. It's old job used to be it was the jailer, right? But now we know. No, it's not. It's the Trojan horse. It's bringing it into the cell. So I bet you if you blunted Megalodon, the cancer would start to recede.

[00:43:26] Ronnie Milo: [00:43:26] And then also too, when the tangent, when they can't have that, that's cancer.

[00:43:29] The testosterone binds to the, to the SHBG and brings it into the, to the cell with the via Megalodon you'll see a decrease in inflammation. Right. And inflammation is one of the big causes of cancer. Right. Right, right. So I

[00:43:42] Carl Lanore: [00:43:42] want to tell you, I want to take our last commercial  I stepped on you. Good.

[00:43:45] Ronnie Milo: [00:43:45] You're no worries.

[00:43:46] That's an interesting stuff.

[00:43:48] Carl Lanore: [00:43:48] I want to take our last commercial break and when we come back, I want to talk about this idea that, uh, is modern medicine. Is there a conspiracy in modern medicine to ignore things that work, [00:44:00] uh, and actually impair the quality of people's lives? Stay tuned. We'll write back.

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[00:45:35] Ronnie Milo: [00:45:35] You're telemedicine. So we cover all 48 States. I go from East coast to West coast, uh, work about 14 hour days.

[00:45:43] Um, and it's funny, we were talking off air and, uh, one of the, part of the onboarding processes that we do is always ask, you know, where did you hear about us? Uh, cause we don't advertise. Right, okay. I kind of say we're, we're the fight club. We don't, we don't advertise, you know, the first rule of fight club, you don't talk about fight club.

[00:45:58] So I asked him, you know, how'd [00:46:00] you hear about us? And they always say superhuman radio. And I'm like, Oh, that's, that's really cool. And they're like, yeah, I've heard you or Adam on the show. And. You know, want to get some more information on that. And then once they do become, you know, a patient of ours, they're, they're, uh, they're satisfied.

[00:46:12] You know, and we, we have good relationships with our clients. So,

[00:46:16] Carl Lanore: [00:46:16] so when I first started doing this show 14 years ago, um, I started looking at the dots. And it's hard not to think there's a conspiracy out there that somehow there's a secret handshake within the medical industry. And everybody reads the same hymnal.

[00:46:37] And the job is to get people on drugs that they'll have to take for the rest of their lives because that's how you make money. Now, I'm not saying that that doesn't actually happen, but the whole conspiracy part, I now that I look back, I see that it's not, if anything, uh, it all starts and see, I went to a, a form of medical school.

[00:46:59] I was [00:47:00] going to school to be an optometrist. When, when I was in school at New York city, uh, technical college, J street and borough hall, downtown Brooklyn. Um, when I was in school, uh, Bausch and loam furnished all of our labs, uh, Zeiss furnished, all of our slit lamps, all bio microscopes. A BNL gave us all the inventory for our lend contact contact lens lab, where we learned how to, uh, over refract and fit contact lenses.

[00:47:39] Uh, the instruments we use, the phoropter, you know, the, the, uh, the, the, the instrument we used to take K readings, uh, corneal, uh, readings they will make, those were made by . So when you go to school, you learn on these things. But then it goes a little deeper. [00:48:00] Mmm. Since these are the companies that are making the products that you will ultimately be selling.

[00:48:05] And for doctors that's prescription drugs, uh, or surgeries. Uh, they, they also infiltrate the curriculum. Uh, you know, the, the, the lessons are built around their stuff. And so you go to school for four years and physicians, God knows what, eight years. Um, and you, you, it's a no brainer. It's not like you go out, you get out of school and go, okay, now how, how am I going to practice medicine?

[00:48:39] You go like, no, I'm going to use those drugs. I'm going to use those machines. I'm going to use those specialists. Cause that's what I was taught to use. That's those are the arrows in my quiver. So doctors are not part of the conspiracy. They're actually in the same boat that the patient is in. [00:49:00] Uh, and so as a result of that, you know, doctors, like I said before, they want to stay in that little bubble, that standard of care.

[00:49:07] I want to stay protected. I don't want any lawsuits. I'm working 20 hour days now. My office manager is probably stealing money from me because I don't understand billing at all. You know, like they're overwhelmed. The last thing they want to do is sit down and go, okay, this person really needs this here, but that's not the standard of care.

[00:49:25] I know it's good and it works. Do I go out on a limb for this person and then if I do and it doesn't work, this person's going to end up suing me. Nah, let's just, uh, yeah. Here's what you can do. Go goodbye. Right. And I

[00:49:38] Ronnie Milo: [00:49:38] used to be like you, right? I used to think that there was some kind of agenda that all these pharmaceuticals and the labs were all kind of in Cooch with each other, and we're all doing the main objet agenda.

[00:49:49] But I think it's twofold. It's, you know, like we talk about it's, it's ignorance because they're not really. They don't have time to study it. And then when this, when the, when [00:50:00] the situations brought up, they, they kind of, uh, they don't, they either bad mouth it because they don't understand it or they change the subject.

[00:50:07] Right.

[00:50:07] Carl Lanore: [00:50:07] Well, think about what you said and think about what you said about the physicals, right? But they don't, they, they're just going to say no because, because if they say no, there is zero chance that there's any backlash or bad effect up the road, right? They say, yes. Oh, now they expose themselves to something happening, them being pulled into a lawsuit.

[00:50:29] And so it's just easier to say no,

[00:50:31] Ronnie Milo: [00:50:31] right and exploded because they didn't study on it, you know, cause they're, you know, they're working 20 hour days or seeing about a hundred patients a day. They don't have time to sit down and study. And then their CEOs are probably based off of what they're, what they're practicing.

[00:50:43] So they don't want to go out of the limb of their comfort zone to learn something new that could possibly help the patients directly. Right. And that's, I mean, that's what I do is like on the weekends, I'm, I'm on the internet studying, right. I got to study because, you know, obviously we see through studies now that, [00:51:00] you know, new new studies pop up showing that, you know, ABC could equal, you know, Def were X, Y, Z.

[00:51:07] So it's important for us to stay ahead of it. So the physicians really, you know, they, they don't have time to do that. And that's also too, like, you know, I'm a baseball coach. You asked me about kickball and I don't know anything about kickball. I not a play it, right. I'm going to be like, I don't, I know about baseball, right?

[00:51:21] So let's stick to baseball. But if you asked me about kickball, I don't know. You kick a ball.

[00:51:26] Carl Lanore: [00:51:26] Yeah.

[00:51:27] Ronnie Milo: [00:51:27] Right. I'm kinda, you know, I'm gonna change the subject or just kind of. I'm not going to bad mouth it, but you know, I just don't want to deal with it.

[00:51:34] Carl Lanore: [00:51:34] And then, and then in their case, they can't deal with it because if they get into an area that they don't belong, they will get sued.

[00:51:40] Medical licensure will come down on, they could lose their license to practice medicine. Now, all the, all the hundreds of thousands of dollars they spent up to that point to get their loans, they've paid off from school. Now they're screwed. Now they gotta go. They got to start at the bottom of the rung and go find a job.

[00:51:54] Ronnie Milo: [00:51:54] Yeah. I mean, they're in their comfort zone, right? Same. Same with lawyers, right? Lawyer practices a criminal [00:52:00] lawyer. And then they, somebody wants to talk to them about contractual lawyer. They don't know about it, right? Cause they didn't tell you that. So they're going to either give you to somebody that's a contracture lawyer or they're going to either bad mouth it or just change the subject.

[00:52:11] Carl Lanore: [00:52:11] And that's why a long time ago when I first started going to dr Matt Andry in Bloomington, Indiana, um, you know, it's a pain in the ass. It's an hour and a half drive each way. . And he doesn't do telemedicine, and that's okay. I'm cool with that because he's an hour and a half away. But I, you know, I started to tell people like, you should be willing to travel for a good doctor.

[00:52:40] Like this whole idea that putting a doctor in your backyard, they know that. They know that you're just going to go around the corner. That's the, but the reason. That they're dropping doctors and hospitals and all these different places is because they know that people really don't care where they go for their care.

[00:52:57] They want it to be close by and convenient because they assume [00:53:00] that all care is the same and it's not just the way, just the way. If you go to a tailor and have a suit made and I go to Armani and have a suit made, my shoots going to look a lot better than yours. They're both tailors.

[00:53:14] Ronnie Milo: [00:53:14] That's like you and I driving an hour and a half to go to a good gym.

[00:53:17] Carl Lanore: [00:53:17] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:53:19] Ronnie Milo: [00:53:19] I'll drive to go to a good year. Even though there's a youth fan or a plan to fit in here on the corner, I'm going to drive an hour and a half so I can get the, the motivation and the a, an atmosphere that I need.

[00:53:28] Carl Lanore: [00:53:28] Right. So all doctors are not created equal. You must, if you don't put effort into finding a doctor, if you're sick and you just go to the doctor that's easiest to go to, or you go to your GP and your GP doesn't give you a good answer, it doesn't tell you how you're going to get better.

[00:53:45] Right? Then you need to start to research where the doctors are that are on the cutting edge, the bleeding edge of whatever you're suffering from, and you have to be willing to drive or fly in some cases to go see them. A lot of these [00:54:00] doctors, if you fly one time and see them, then you're good for the rest of the year, right?

[00:54:04] So,

[00:54:05] Ronnie Milo: [00:54:05] you know, when I was a fireman, you know, if you've got, if you've got trauma and you need to go to a trauma facility, we would drive you or fly you to that facility. We're not going to take you to the hospital. Right down the road because they don't specialize in it or a stroke center. Right. We were going to go that extra mile to bring it to the, to the, you know, to the facility that you need to be, and people need to think that way.

[00:54:23] Right. They need to go, okay, well if my, if this doctor is, is, is proficient in hormone replacement or whatever the case may be, they need to do the research and need to travel to go there to get the best care.

[00:54:34] Carl Lanore: [00:54:34] Right. Alright.

[00:54:35] Ronnie Milo: [00:54:35] So

[00:54:36] Carl Lanore: [00:54:36] yeah. Very, very good. Well, that's it. It's a good study. Uh, it, it, it contradicts the recent one that got all the play on the internet about doctors saying that, you know, not, not, not all older men should be on testosterone.

[00:54:50] I, I would say they are right. Not all, almost all should be on testosterone. Uh, it changed my life. I know a lot of people whose changes [00:55:00] their lives. Uh. It's not about libido. It's not about libido, it's about cardiovascular health. It's, it's about, uh, lipid health. It's about oxidative stress of the body.

[00:55:13] It's about all these other magical things. And the reason why, over 2.5 million years, we evolved to produce this hormone.

[00:55:24] Ronnie Milo: [00:55:24] Yeah. Mental health, too.

[00:55:25] Carl Lanore: [00:55:25] You know? Absolutely. Absolutely. I see a lot of women. Go through menopause, you, you, you look at them and you think cheese, I wonder who stole, who stole her and put her somebody else in her body.

[00:55:38] That's not the same person I've always known. And that's the sad, that's the flip side. When it disappears, those same brain hormones don't function right anymore. And you have complete changes in personality. Uh, there is no show tomorrow and walk tomorrow, but next Friday we will have a pep talk. Uh, and [00:56:00] probably for the next three Fridays we'll have a pep talk.

[00:56:03] And I gotta tell you that one of the pep talks, I'm so excited about this peptide because, uh, I have a doctor friend who used it and lost like 6% body fat in like a month. That's huge. Without changing anything. What was the downside? I can't say it though. A little tune in. Everybody go do the research and they'll say, forget about superhuman radio.

[00:56:30] Buy it. I won't be, I can't, I won't be able to pay any bills, man. I can't give that stuff away. But I guarantee you haven't heard of it yet. So

[00:56:37] Ronnie Milo: [00:56:37] me off here. Cause I mean I'm a big stop sign guy. I know, I know. I know.

[00:56:41] Carl Lanore: [00:56:41] All right. Look, we're gonna say goodbye. Have a great weekend. Get into the gym. Remember, muscle is metabolic currency, so get into the gym as often as possible and make a deposit, uh, that will pay you off in dividends as you.

[00:56:57] Hey, see you tomorrow. I'll see you on Monday. [00:57:00] Don't care. .