[00:00:00] [00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] welcome back to another episode of superhuman radio. Today is August 23rd 2019. It's a Friday and we are going to be talking about a new supplement that is actually provided by one of our sponsors. I'm going to bring him on right now. And that is none other than dr. William seeds. We open up his microphone.
[00:00:19] How you doing? Dr. Seeds.
[00:00:21] Dr. William Seeds: [00:00:21] I'm doing well Carl. Thanks for having me.
[00:00:23] Carl Lanore: [00:00:23] Yeah, now it's a pleasure. So those of you who know, dr. Seeds know that he is with the international peptide Society. He is blazing a trail in the in the category of peptides. But he also is a supplement formulator and his formulation style is not to dot the landscape with the same things that everybody else has but to find.
[00:00:45] What a known in the supplement industry is white spaces of opportunity with things need are needed for people and towards the end of the show. I've decided we're going to cover bpc your other supplement because there are some questions about that we can clear up. But today we're [00:01:00] talking about a product called the chill pill.
[00:01:04] I can't even believe you got that name. That was pretty cool. But what made you want to develop this this?
[00:01:13] Dr. William Seeds: [00:01:13] Well, it was it was originally so it's been worked on for quite a while and it is it was under the Brilliance of Justin Kirkland who is the original formulator who had an idea had some thoughts of how we could take a hinoki 'l and make it.
[00:01:41] Significantly more potent, which is which is what you need because I know kial you need large amounts of Pinocchio to have significant effects in humans, and we were able to make some changes to integrate some changes within the molecule and [00:02:00] I really was looking at opportunities that I could help out some of my some of my more significant and challenging.
[00:02:09] Patients with more specific like head traumas tbis and some other issues of where this this chill pill this dihydrogen Tokyo goes Way Beyond the Gaba Agonist activity for anxiety it it has significant neurocognitive impressions of what it can do. And I had the luxury of working and putting this together with Justin and and using this clinically to benefit my patients.
[00:02:47] So long story short, you know, the the benefits of just the anxiety issues that that I was able to observe firsthand [00:03:00] and what I could do on that level really brought me to okay? This has to be something that we can bring to the Forefront and available for people who are having issues with with anxiety, which is quite significant and depression.
[00:03:17] I mean, this is just not anti-anxiety. This is an anti-depressive. It's got so many. Yeah capabilities of working in the brain and and you know it with where we are with people's dependence on benzodiazepines. And pain medications. I just saw a window of saying wait a second. This is this is this is an opportunity to you know, it's like this is a supplement that has every right to be used by everybody in the world.
[00:03:48] And now
[00:03:49] Carl Lanore: [00:03:49] I want to I want to differentiate something so hinoki all has been around and and Kim Marie Ray. Cop posted on Today's Show by Hannah pure [00:04:00] instead and I looked it up and hold up here is just a Nokia all so so for those out there who let's let's just do a real quick kind of comparison.
[00:04:10] Hinoki all has and anxiety lytic effects, but it's very short-lived and you have to take a lot of it in order to feel its effects, right? Correct. Okay. So the die Hydro form of hinoki all which is what Justin came up with it last longer in the system 4 to 5 hours and you can take less and get a greater effect of what hinoki all is famous for doing right?
[00:04:38] Dr. William Seeds: [00:04:38] Well, it goes beyond that. I mean it's because of the cyclical changes we did with the molecule we made the molecule. It's a it's got far more reaching effects in. And looking at what we can do with multiple Pathways that that the regular hinoki all you just can't do it. So it [00:05:00] just comes down to Pathways and and affecting those Pathways in a long-term process.
[00:05:10] Carl Lanore: [00:05:10] Okay. So I want I just want to I don't want to overlook her comment and act like as though we're going to ignore that because that doesn't fit our agenda the reality. That dhh dihydrogen Okie all is his much Superior to just plain old Pinocchio, which has been around for
[00:05:26] Dr. William Seeds: [00:05:26] quite a long time. Well, there's just no comparison and went in you know, but it's always the.
[00:05:35] The person that people out there will be the people who determined that and all you have to do is take one or two of these and you'll and do it side by side and there will be no difference it. I mean there will be a great a great difference in
[00:05:49] Carl Lanore: [00:05:49] comparison. No comparison, right?
[00:05:51] Dr. William Seeds: [00:05:51] Absolutely. It's all about, you know.
[00:05:55] Yeah, it's all about what with the patient perceived.
[00:05:58] Carl Lanore: [00:05:58] So now let's talk about that. [00:06:00] So we have quite a few people within this audience that have now purchased it in are using it and and I have been using it and I feel it but I do notice that I don't feel one capsule as much. As I do too and as you know, I'm quite possibly the first person who's taken for caps at one time, which is 30 milligrams and it knocked me.
[00:06:24] I don't want to say it knocked me out. Let's just say a depleted me of. Any motivation to do much more than just sit around let's just put it that way. It didn't knock me out and feel sleepy, but I just didn't feel like doing anything. I was just kind of really. Relaxed very very laid-back. So do you think that there is a component where people who are larger or may have different tolerances may need more than one cap to feel it.
[00:06:56] Dr. William Seeds: [00:06:56] Yeah, I think it's just independent and that's why we [00:07:00] usually typically say between one or two capsules every 4 to 6 hours. And you know, there's no tolerance there is no toxicity. There's no addiction. I mean, this is the ultimate Gaba Agonist and we obviously none of us would ever recommend anybody take four at a time.
[00:07:17] I mean, that was sorry Carl. That was crazy. Right? But the I would say I have not yet had anybody that's taken two of them. Tell me that they haven't felt the effects of two of those and that's 15 milligrams, which is still a very reasonable. Level of the dye Hydro.
[00:07:41] Carl Lanore: [00:07:41] So aside from the obvious the anxiety lytic benefits of this and the and possibly the antidepressant benefits of it.
[00:07:50] You mentioned that there are some other really interesting potential overall health benefits of taking this supplement, right?
[00:07:57] Dr. William Seeds: [00:07:57] Oh my gosh. Yeah, [00:08:00] there's so we can start you can go down the list of. Where this has significant effects in different Pathways of an inflammation and so forth, but I think just from the pain side of what people deal with in life with chronic pain or pain.
[00:08:22] This is definitely works in that path in those Pathways of working on in the pain reflex of the dorsal root up the dorsal column into the brain and back. And this has significant effects with reducing pain and inflammation same thing improve cognition it it's amazing. I've used it more initially. I was working with it more for raising seizure thresholds and working more with with people that were we're trying to work on on their seizure threshold.
[00:08:58] But at the same time work [00:09:00] on spasm. And decreasing the amount of Baclofen that they were using for, you know, the these head traumas there when it comes to you know, the one of the what most people know about Pinocchio and what's been described is this significant Improvement in glucose uptake of muscle and enhancing glute for receptors.
[00:09:24] In diabetics and you know, there's a definite mechanism there with improving the insulin sensitivity for people it's undeniable and it works it works specifically on this on a tyrosine kinase a phosphatase system within the insulin receptor. And it stops at inhibition that you typically can see that's one of the pathways and progression of diabetes with insulin receptors.
[00:09:54] And so it absolutely upregulates glucose into the muscle and and can [00:10:00] improve hyperglycemia and insulin sensitivity. If it's used, you know in a consistent basis, they can do that
[00:10:07] Carl Lanore: [00:10:07] on a consistent basis. Give me an idea. So let's say I'm taking two at a time. Actually, I trained this morning by just taking one and I have to tell you my suspicions about strength development was spot on and we'll talk about that in a minute.
[00:10:28] But if you're taking to you would take it every 4 to 5 hours if you're going to use it in a method of managing some other issues other than just anxiety or social anxiety.
[00:10:40] Dr. William Seeds: [00:10:40] Yeah, if I would tell I mean it could be used without if you're looking for just a clean, you know, just a clean effect of maybe when you look at the end of the day.
[00:10:52] How did I handle my day instead of trying to get that feeling of a calmness which I think you would get more with [00:11:00] taking two of them. You could take one tablet every four to six hours like three times a day and really. That getting those mechanism set your you're working on on not just the Gaba Agonist.
[00:11:13] So where you you know, you certainly will be able to handle your stress better, but you're working on you're also working on like what I just said on the glucose apps aspects of of of improving glucose uptake, but your. You're setting up the cell for reducing oxidative stress depending on activity and in particular if you're talking about training.
[00:11:41] I mean, there's a whole nother door you're opening there with with with what this die Hydro does on the cellular level it actually up regulates the cholinergic response. So what you're talking about is very significant for athletes [00:12:00] that have. I think athletes have had it wrong where they've tried to overstimulate themselves.
[00:12:05] Carl Lanore: [00:12:05] Exactly and that ready this
[00:12:07] Dr. William Seeds: [00:12:07] is really
[00:12:08] Carl Lanore: [00:12:08] important. Yes. No, no, go ahead. I'm sorry. I just I just want people to know this is really important because we're all were all I'm getting are you can you not hear me?
[00:12:18] Dr. William Seeds: [00:12:18] Yeah, I got you. Okay,
[00:12:20] Carl Lanore: [00:12:20] we're all in this mode of gettin amped up to work out, you know 34563 mg of caffeine and other stimulants will get all amped up we'll get in there.
[00:12:31] But the reality is that we're from that cholinergic standpoint. We're literally raising the threshold of activation because. Is down here all amped up normal becomes here. So activation is even higher than that. And what I found this morning was I took just one because I found this study that showed DHA compared to benzos and one of the things they happen to [00:13:00] look at was calcium channel activity and muscle activation in rodents and they showed that the DHA DHA.
[00:13:08] Aah. Reduced anxiety in these rodents, but did not impair muscle contractile Force where the benzos do and I thought wow. I'm going to take one tomorrow morning before I go to the and I went to the gym today I train back and I was so strong this morning without getting all amped up and I really think that when you get all amped up you get this adrenaline dump you get almost washed out.
[00:13:36] And you're not as strong as you think you can be and when you use this approach to wear your your body is just so relaxed you find out that you can activate more muscle fibers because they're more sensitive to being activated because you're not all steamed up like this.
[00:13:58] Dr. William Seeds: [00:13:58] Yeah, so I [00:14:00] think there's a Malta there's definitely a couple of mechanisms that are there.
[00:14:05] One is one is it's almost like an exercise mimetic in in helping up regulate just glucose right to the muscle. So that's a benefit right away that that you see where people try to take ampk type of things or you know, or even insulin itself where they're trying to up regulate glucose absorption. So so that absolutely is.
[00:14:33] There's a plus right there. But the the cholinergic upregulation is a real thing and and like you said being able to you know, the key to training is to train in in a more of a person pathetic state if you can because when it comes to event time or Max training you do want that sympathetic response being the best it can [00:15:00] be.
[00:15:00] And this has something to do to with long-term and proving your heart rate variability by parasympathetic overtake. Those are things that I would love, you know to look further add as far as you know, studying the true progression and effects of really regulating Improvement and in your athletes, but you have a lot of mechanisms there that you're improving.
[00:15:26] Yes.
[00:15:27] Carl Lanore: [00:15:27] So I also saw a study and rodents that are bred to be hypertensive that the dhh reduced spontaneous hypertension in these rodents, but it did I don't think it lowers blood pressure per se but it lowers. The hypertensive response to events that make blood pressure rise unnecessarily. What are you thoughts on that?
[00:16:00] [00:16:00] Dr. William Seeds: [00:16:00] Well there is there are some changes with with dye Hydro. We know in the brain there changes with the glutamate reset the nmda receptors with protein synaptic density 95 and nitric oxide. And how it can disrupt that bonding and it kind of control calcium influx. I think that you know, I think it really comes back down to if you look at hypertension, you have to look at the whole model of what's happening and what's happening in the end of the ileal cell and that has to do with a Cascade of oxidative stress and all of these free radicals that are being produced and.
[00:16:47] And how that progresses with with intimal fibrosis and all the things that lead to hypertension. So if you have a strong if [00:17:00] you have something that truly works at the cell level of reducing oxidative stress and this specifically works on. Nuclear Factor Kappa beta interleukin-1 beta interleukin 8 interleukin 6 these are all a tumor necrosis Factor Alpha.
[00:17:15] These are all significant factors that affect that endothelial cell and also lead to decreased nitric oxide production within the cell increase endothelium. And causes the the continued disruption and eventual atherosclerosis all these things that occur in different Implement increments, but the point being made here is that we're truly affecting the cell signaling of reducing transcription factors that lead to these oxidative changes and and the longevity Jane cert 3 that works in the mitochondria specifically.
[00:17:57] We're actually the were [00:18:00] activating certain 32 D acetylate this thing called superoxide dismutase to and that's a big player in reducing high hydroxides and superoxides because you get these things called lipid peroxidation carbonyl
[00:18:15] Carl Lanore: [00:18:15] and
[00:18:17] Dr. William Seeds: [00:18:17] all those things lead to hypertension. Right? So if you're treating the mechanism.
[00:18:22] You're treating the problem. So I just I just kind of went through the mechanism of why that worked, right? That's what's happening. What
[00:18:30] Carl Lanore: [00:18:30] about the what about the anti-inflammatory effects this it's been shown that both. Dhh and and regular hinoki all both have a blood thinning effect. And what I've learned over this past decade is anything that thins the blood seems to reduce inflammation or vice versa.
[00:18:50] But there's a correlate between blood viscosity reduction and an anti-inflammation effects. And this is one of those so this does have [00:19:00] anti-inflammatory effects as you pointed out, right?
[00:19:02] Dr. William Seeds: [00:19:02] Yeah and it and just just kind of the mechanisms. I just went through RNG inflammatory isms, and they actually up regulate this nuclear respiratory factor to which activates this oxidative system.
[00:19:18] Antioxidant system in in the nucleus and leads to. Reducing inflammation. And in fact, this is what's really interesting with this and and this is where you know you bringing up this aspect of training my thoughts more so our okay. I know the cholinergic thing is great. I know the. The insulin are the glucose mimetic thing is great.
[00:19:45] But what's really amazing with this is that recovery aspects because training is all about recovery. Well if I can influence oxidative stress post training and I can influence [00:20:00] edema or inflammation and I can reduce that time frame. I can change how people trained and and that's kind of where. You know when I'm sure we'll talk a little bit about that's where bpc comes into play and other other really interesting molecules and peptides come into play of where you can make significant changes in how an athlete recovers because truly that is the key.
[00:20:30] I think to progression decreasing injury improving performance its recovery.
[00:20:40] Carl Lanore: [00:20:40] How should people take this if they're taking adjust for training purposes, you think they just take one or two? I think one cap is adequate just to kind of take the edge down a little bit before training. Is it is it wise to take one before and one after?
[00:20:56] Dr. William Seeds: [00:20:56] I think because it's got this it's got a [00:21:00] half-life of four to six hours. I think you're perfectly fine taking it right before training like within it takes effect within 20 to 30 minutes. And that's you know, you can gauge that if you take two and you want that feeling you will know that in 30 minutes.
[00:21:15] Otherwise, I would just take my my preference with the training aspect is is 30 minutes before.
[00:21:25] Carl Lanore: [00:21:25] Okay. Now I've been also using it in my sleep stack and here's what I notice about it. It doesn't necessarily make me tired. But when I do wake up in the middle of the night to use the restroom, I get to sleep a lot faster.
[00:21:43] I feel like sleep pressure is emphasized probably because any potential imbalance between sympathetic parasympathetic, you know, nervous system is kind of just quelled [00:22:00] and I'm able to get right back into sleep. You have any theories on why it's I'm seeing benefits during sleep with it.
[00:22:10] Dr. William Seeds: [00:22:10] Well, it's so so this is interesting because it's not it doesn't have sedated properties.
[00:22:18] It's a non sedative. I think it's I think what you're probably seeing is just more of again. These are my opinions, but I think people that have issues with sleep and. Nighttime issues of trying to get into stage four and REM have everything to do with oxidative stress in the cell and and how the cell and about glutamate production and and and how you how its utilized is over.
[00:22:49] But but I think I mean, I think the Gaba Agonist sets you up. Or your brain. Now if you have a brain that's racing if you've got one of those things where [00:23:00] you're always thinking and you know that you're perseverating and that may not this may not be the thing to help you with sleep. But I think from the, you know, the oxidative side of this the antioxidants side and what it in the all of the capabilities that has with what we know.
[00:23:19] through. Like I said interleukin-1 beta through nuclear Factor Kappa beta that transcription factor in the nucleus that has everything to do with issues with sleep. So I think when you're when you're improving the efficiency of the cell to do its job and to work within that circadian rhythm. That that it wants to get back into the function with the with night and day.
[00:23:47] I think it does make an effect potential to assist you. But I don't I certainly haven't I don't use it in that function to help people sleep. I use it to work at the cell [00:24:00] level to take advantage of all of the things that may do for them and. In particular when we introduced this, it was really well.
[00:24:07] Hey, we're going to give people the advantage of doing something that really is safe really is effective for anxiety because so many people deal with this but but boy the best part of this is I know all the good things it's doing for yourself that that Trump anything that's out there that Trump any molecule that you that's prescribed to you that are bad for you
[00:24:29] Carl Lanore: [00:24:29] right with topped
[00:24:30] Dr. William Seeds: [00:24:30] with toxic effects,
[00:24:32] Carl Lanore: [00:24:32] right?
[00:24:33] You know, it's funny. I can get deeper and into a meditative State faster when I'm using it then when I and I can't and I texted Justin and I said it's a meditation. It's meditation in a pill.
[00:24:51] Dr. William Seeds: [00:24:51] He told me that I actually sent that damn. Yeah, that's that's brilliant. The I mean if you think about it, it's a [00:25:00] cabaret.
[00:25:00] I've noticed it's your you're reducing your dampening glutamates effect on the postsynaptic membrane with. trying to decrease the amount of calcium that's influx into that postsynaptic neurons and just to dampen glutamates effect, and I'm going to tell you I think most people. Most people that have anxiety problems have definitely higher glutamate levels in that fanatic left and it's out.
[00:25:33] It's all about controlling that right and and and really the issues what people don't realize and even in depression the real issues with all of this have to go at a higher level and it has to do with the microglial cell in the brain and how that controls the astrocytes that controls this. Synaptic membrane and and what we're doing is we're making that system healthier is the bottom line.
[00:25:59] [00:26:00] Carl Lanore: [00:25:59] So I want to say this last thing and then we're going to take a break and I also want people to know how they can order this product and save 20% off. So I'm an average shooter and I went shooting with my son the other day and I decided to take one before I went shooting and usually when I go shooting at a range as lots of people around you they're shooting their guns and they takes me about 10 to 15 minutes to kind of come down and be able to focus better and my my.
[00:26:27] My shots get cleaner on the target. I'm able to place things but I took one of these and I gave Chase 120 minutes before we went to the range and I could tell that it was having an effect on me. It was almost like there was a little break on my nervous system from getting too hyped. I'm going to try to next time but those of you out there.
[00:26:51] We're competitive Shooters you now controlling your heart rate and controlling. Your breathing is to very important portions of being of a place [00:27:00] on a Target. Well, you know, you learn to shoot in between heartbeats and you learn to Exhale and stay that way until you pull the trigger because your body is steadier then and this and this supplement really.
[00:27:17] Made it a lot easier for me to get into that State of Mind sooner when I was at the range the other day. So I think that there's a real value in this for people who play any type of high stress competitive sport. We're finding your way into the Zone sooner means doing better. I really do.
[00:27:39] Dr. William Seeds: [00:27:39] Yeah, I actually had someone who.
[00:27:43] A one of the patients that I have been treating clinically for different reasons, the mother of one of these patients took the has a fear of flying and took one of the chill [00:28:00] pills before flying and before she used to have like potentially have a drink or something to calm her down. She said she's never had an issue flying that.
[00:28:11] She couldn't foresee doing again. I mean it was like it was instant. It was something that she all of a sudden felt she had control of now and that was pretty cool to hear that. I because I never really thought about that like these phobias and you know problems of anxiety, I guess that build-up and in Social environments want, you know, flying on planes social crowd, you know, he
[00:28:34] Carl Lanore: [00:28:34] clapping speaking in front of large groups, you know, yeah.
[00:28:37] Dr. William Seeds: [00:28:37] Yeah. Yeah. So, you know I find it's interesting just to start to hear the feedback that I'm getting it. So it's very humbling.
[00:28:47] Carl Lanore: [00:28:47] If you want to try the chill pill you go to the website doctor seeds Dr. SE EDS.com you use the coupon code. Shr. You'll save 20% off and you can add to that. You can actually subscribe and [00:29:00] get deeper discounts.
[00:29:01] What we're going to do is going to take a quick commercial break when we come back. We're going to talk about body protection complex, which was the one of the first supplements that you let off with that seems to be very very popular and we do have some people who have sent me questions. So let's do this.
[00:29:14] We'll take a quick commercial break. We'll be right back with more of dr. William seeds. Stay tuned. Welcome back we're talking with dr. Williams seeds the brains behind. To interesting supplements the first one we just talked about. Dhh Hydro hinoki all which by the way, I want to mention one of the potential use.
[00:29:34] So a lot of guys as they get older develop Edie not because the plumbing doesn't work, but because they have performance anxiety. I really think that this supplement work for people like that. Guys who know like you you get nocturnal tumescent erections all night long, you know, the plumbing is working but it comes time for you to get in bed and do your thing and your mind starts racing.
[00:29:59] [00:30:00] You start thinking. Well, what if I if I if my erection fails and sure enough your erection fails that's anxiety-related Edie. I really think that this is a good supplement for those guys. What do you think?
[00:30:12] Dr. William Seeds: [00:30:12] But that's interesting you bring that up. It's so it's how it's funny how you get my mind racing Carl there is there's been some work done on on looking at a Nokia land its effects in the prostate and improving benign prostatic hypertrophy improving vascular smooth muscle and improving urination urine flow.
[00:30:35] Right and they've shown that it changes that and in fact. In fact it has because it decreases that that smooth muscle Invasion and and of and revert and effects that we're looking at, you know, we haven't even talked about the anti-cancer effects of dihydrogen Tokyo. And I think that is the that's the big play here with dihydrogen Tokyo, and [00:31:00] I'm actually I've implemented that in a couple in work with as you've seen at the in our.
[00:31:08] IPS meetings I work with a lot of Physicians and I have a very fortunate to be able to partake in a lot of different care of patients where I'm not directly involved, but I've consult with other Physicians to help them and and we're doing we're actually going down the road here with looking at the significant effects of die hydro and.
[00:31:30] And in particular as in anti-cancer aspects and specifically looking at prostate with some other combinations of things that we know are effective. But this has this has real implications in the research has already been done looking at this effect on. In prostate cancer and in but benign prostatic hypertrophy
[00:31:54] Carl Lanore: [00:31:54] interesting, that's really yeah and
[00:31:56] Dr. William Seeds: [00:31:56] it is it's a it's [00:32:00] fascinating.
[00:32:00] It's fascinating
[00:32:01] Carl Lanore: [00:32:01] what the bottle says don't take with alcohol. Is that just one of those cya things or is there really some interaction with alcohol?
[00:32:11] Dr. William Seeds: [00:32:11] Well, you're taking a gift you're activating a Gaba Agonist and then. You're taking something else an alcohol. That's a depressing.
[00:32:20] Carl Lanore: [00:32:20] You know that central nervous system depressant.
[00:32:22] I
[00:32:23] Dr. William Seeds: [00:32:23] would say yeah, you know, yeah the advice is don't do them both together, okay.
[00:32:28] Carl Lanore: [00:32:28] Okay, let's talk about bpc for a second. So body protection complex is actually a protein. There's some confusion out there. Some people think it's actually be PC 157 in capsules because bpc 157 survives the gut isn't absorbed in the gut it works.
[00:32:44] Well as an oral orally administrated peptide, you don't have to inject it but that's not what's in these capsules of bpc, right?
[00:32:53] Dr. William Seeds: [00:32:53] Yes. Oh. First there is let's get through one fallacy that it's I don't know where it started and [00:33:00] I don't know how it started. But all the studies have been looked at with PPC the peptide itself through intraperitoneal intranasal oral subcutaneously and basically oral intraperitoneal and subcutaneous all have.
[00:33:18] Very similar absorption rates and and no effect on on the peptide. No degradation. No hydrolysis. So let's clear that up right now. So but but some people have better are affected or respond better to Sub-Q injections and some people respond better to oral and and that's individual but there is but if we look at the science, there is no difference.
[00:33:45] So hopefully. Kind of whitewash - right as far as the BBC here. So this was a project that's been has been in play for many years and trying to find so the [00:34:00] BBC is a protein complex. This is something that we worked on that would be in the stomach would be hydrolyzed down to the peptide bonding of VPC, you know, just the 15 amino acid sequence and it took a long time, but we found it and that's exactly why it's a it's why it's a supplement.
[00:34:24] It's a protein. It's over 200 chain protein that is broken down in the gut into just like. Just like how bpc is produced in the gut because it's a pro. It comes as a pro protein to start with and once in the gut it's hydrolyzed into into bpc peptide. So that's the difference as a as opposed to getting the prescription of PPC which is a peptide already.
[00:34:56] Carl Lanore: [00:34:56] I see I mean, yeah, so so if you think of it as a as a [00:35:00] train. Right bpc 157 is one or two cars of the train what you're doing you're supplying the whole train and the gut is breaking it down to these two cars and those two cars and those two cars. So you're ending up with at the end result is that the stomach is hydrolyzing it into be PC, but not one 157 is that really the one that's resident in Us in humans bpc 1670.
[00:35:23] Is that something that's synthesized to?
[00:35:26] Dr. William Seeds: [00:35:26] What
[00:35:26] Carl Lanore: [00:35:26] it
[00:35:26] Dr. William Seeds: [00:35:26] simply it's synthesized to mimic.
[00:35:29] Carl Lanore: [00:35:29] That's what I thought. So it's broken up into the actual body protection complex domains. If you will multiple ones from this larger protein
[00:35:39] Dr. William Seeds: [00:35:39] the sequencing is yeah the well we took a we took the effective part of the of the peptide and got it to where that would be the part that would be.
[00:35:54] Degraded and fragmented off.
[00:35:57] Carl Lanore: [00:35:57] Now you offer two different [00:36:00] types two different bottles one with the black and red label and one with the white and blue label. What's the difference between the
[00:36:07] Dr. William Seeds: [00:36:07] two it's just more protein in each capsule. So it's it's just a it's amount of you know, responsive how much you know, how how much are you looking to gain?
[00:36:22] With an increased dose of the performance which is typically two of those tablets can can be very close to about a milligram of Epi CC which is a thousand micrograms, which is a I think a very significant dose the blue or the white one comes around two tablets will equal about 500 micrograms and you know, most of my practice in working with BBC has always been around.
[00:36:53] Usually around 250 micrograms twice a day to feel 500 microns once a [00:37:00] day. So I've been very effective with just the with just that dosing. But if you're
[00:37:07] Carl Lanore: [00:37:07] a really hard training athlete your CrossFit athlete that you may want to up the dose obviously.
[00:37:12] Dr. William Seeds: [00:37:12] Well, yeah. Well we found that just thought that.
[00:37:15] The dosing does, you know we would have told you years ago that know that has to be this dosing. It's just four hundred 50 micrograms is probably the highest in want anything above it isn't going to make a difference. Well, we've learned we were wrong. I mean we can we see some amazing responses at fifteen hundred micrograms of PPC where I've taken I've had some examples of patients that.
[00:37:40] Did wonderful at 400 micrograms and this was basically for Recovery or chronic tendinitis type of problems and and they would come back and they do great for a year or two and then they did something to re-injure and then they would not they wouldn't [00:38:00] respond to that same dosing and I would go up to a thousand to fifteen hundred milligrams.
[00:38:08] Or micrograms and oh my gosh, it was like Doc that did it and that's how we've kind of learned in the beauty of BBC is it's not toxic at very high doses. It's there's just no effect like that. So
[00:38:21] Carl Lanore: [00:38:21] well, this is this is obviously anecdotal and n equals 1, but I went back to intramuscular testosterone injections, and I've I actually literally helped Pioneer the whole Sub-Q thing and I stayed with it for many many many years.
[00:38:38] Just because I got tired of jabbing myself in the quad or in the you know in the hips and more of a selfish reason, but now I've decided to go back to intramuscular and first of all the effects of the intramuscular pronounced much more pronounced than than and Sub-Q you feel it the [00:39:00] obviously it Peaks a lot faster blah blah, okay.
[00:39:04] But more importantly early on because right now I'm just using my quads and my quads are starting to get sore. So just as a you know, a fun test last week, I started to inject two milligrams two thousand micrograms of bpc 157 once first thing in the morning and once post-workout and I can tell you without any doubt unabashedly.
[00:39:30] That the injection site which usually hurts for at least two days didn't hurt the day after the injection and I have not and I have now injected my quad several times to where they should start to hurt now because you know, you get a little bug blood pooling time to move to another location and I really attribute the.
[00:39:52] Healing if you will possibly but definitely the recovery at the injection site to the fact that I'm doing two thousand micrograms of bpc [00:40:00] 157 a day right now. I can't do that forever. It's a very very expensive proposition. However, as a test, I think it's a winner.
[00:40:09] Dr. William Seeds: [00:40:09] Yeah, I agree
[00:40:11] Carl Lanore: [00:40:11] one last question about PPC 157 and we're gonna wrap up the interview in a minute.
[00:40:19] So bpc 157 is being used by people have gut issues as well. As for Recovery. Is there any advantage to taking an Oral B PC since it's going right into the gut and if your whole reason for taking it as gut issues you think oral is better than injectable.
[00:40:38] Dr. William Seeds: [00:40:38] So that's it. That's a great question and it's been under great debate within the society at meetings.
[00:40:48] And I will tell you it's it goes either way. I mean I use the injectable to treat a lot of gut issues and very effective with it. And [00:41:00] if I'm if I'm not seeing what I want to see with the injectable all go to the oil and then the oil becomes effective and then I have the opposite where people don't do well in the world and I go to the injectable and I as I said, they both have the same.
[00:41:15] But I think it's an individual effect and luckily we had both routes. You know, most people say well gosh, it's oral. It's going to have a direct effect on the mucosa. It's all secondary. These are BBC Works through secondary signaling. It has no direct effect on the cell. So that doesn't work.
[00:41:34] It's all about signaling. So it's really, you know, individual practice and what you're comfortable with and I have. I have many dots in the IPS that will only use oral, you know for all their autoimmune or their gut issues. You know, there are also colitis and Crohn's and things like that and I think your success, you know, this is [00:42:00] the art of medicine and it's what you're successful with and what your patient tolerates well and what makes them better
[00:42:06] Carl Lanore: [00:42:06] so.
[00:42:09] Do you think that? The Oral-B PC supplement is better from the standpoint that there's a lot of people out there who feel like they're crossing over to the dark side by injecting anything. So just from that standpoint the loan, you know, it's easier to get patients to be compliant with taking it that mean that that has to be a big plus right?
[00:42:36] Dr. William Seeds: [00:42:36] Oh, absolutely. I mean and if you don't have to have that discussion and it's and again, it's a this is a this is a supplement. It's not the this is something that you can have that that open discussion and you know, you know, we've worked hard to make it effective and. It's effective. And now I mean the premise there also was really devising something that I [00:43:00] could use that people could afford that were patients that maybe didn't have the ability to you know to get to these peptides through prescriptions like we have available, you know for patients and this was an opportunity to provide something that was affordable and effective and.
[00:43:20] It's kind of what led to the launching of all of this in that we really didn't realize I don't think we realized what we had and how effective it was and that opened our eyes to you know, this is something that needs to just like the die Hydro needs to be you know, we want effective things that make a difference that are safe and tolerable and have long-lasting effects and.
[00:43:44] That's that's what it's about. Right what
[00:43:46] Carl Lanore: [00:43:46] when we first talked about bpc on the show several years ago with Adele Musa I remember looking at some of the research and coming away inclined to believe that bpc leverages growth factors. So if the [00:44:00] if in fact that is accurate, Does it pay or the reason that we don't see we do see some non-responders out there.
[00:44:09] Could that be remedied by maybe using some growth hormone secreted gods in conjunction with PPC?
[00:44:16] Dr. William Seeds: [00:44:16] Again, it just I guess it just depends on the what's what you're looking to accomplish with PPC
[00:44:26] Carl Lanore: [00:44:26] injury recovery.
[00:44:28] Dr. William Seeds: [00:44:28] Well, I mean, I think it's effective by itself. That's it. I think it does an amazing job will will the other peptides enhance or will they work synergistically?
[00:44:40] Absolutely, because number one bpc up regulates the cells growth hormone receptors. So if you're using a ghr a Shinji hrp secrete agog your your. You're implementing some improvement of your body being able to release some [00:45:00] more effective growth hormone and pulse it out more often. So yes, you're working together, you know to to make the cell more efficient and you're taking advantage of the growth hormone, you're releasing with up regulating those growth hormone receptors.
[00:45:16] And that's that's something else called it. I wanted to make this statement about VPC as PPC is a repair and protective type of. Our protein supplement that becomes this peptide is very very focused on repair and restoration and it's not, you know, the fact that people want to call this a enhancer and athletic enhancer or a something that promotes, you know cellular growth well, That's not that's not correct.
[00:45:51] It's a reparative mechanism that it works under under all Pathways and it's about improving [00:46:00] healing time. It's closing down healing time. It's caught it's slowing down the potential of the pathway staying in play longer. It's got all these amazing aspects and by increasing GH receptors doesn't mean you're improving.
[00:46:19] You know athletic ability that's that's far from it and that we're trying to solve those myths and make people understand my gosh you have this amazing restorative ability of the body. Let's take advantage of what we know.
[00:46:32] Yeah.
[00:46:33] Carl Lanore: [00:46:33] I'm just thinking about it like right right. I never thought about it before but why do may say no the bpc supplement shouldn't be taken by athletes, but then again sleep has a restored in effect.
[00:46:42] So should we say to athletes you can't sleep either because you're restoring. You know and recovering.
[00:46:50] Dr. William Seeds: [00:46:50] Yeah. No, you're not. You're not far off thinking that way I mean and they're having a tough time with his I got to give him a lot of respect because they're really trying to make some good decisions on this [00:47:00] but I'm I would love to have more input on that because I think I'm very I'm validated and qualified as there are a few others around that.
[00:47:09] We can really talk about the pathways and what this really does at the cell level and make people understand guys. This is all about repair and and and here's the other thing, you know, we're repairing collagen for the most part in muscles ligaments. Tendons doesn't an athlete deserve to have those repair and heal in a more parallel fashion without.
[00:47:34] Healing with fibrosis and scarring because what happens re-injury,
[00:47:39] Carl Lanore: [00:47:39] right? What worth
[00:47:40] Dr. William Seeds: [00:47:40] stopping that Carl we're stopping that and we're letting I mean, I really think BBC and itself is an amazing repair post-training protein peptide where it allows people like myself to continue to train hard and [00:48:00] and I want to train hard I want to train hard to line.
[00:48:04] You know Accenture Ian. I don't want be limited. I don't want my body limiting what I can prove I can do and perform it
[00:48:11] Carl Lanore: [00:48:11] right. I agree. Let's take all last commercial break. We'll be right back with more of dr. Seeds that I've been doing this show for 14 years, but I've officially arrived John Meadows is watching that really makes me feel good.
[00:48:25] I gotta be honest with you because John's a brilliant guy straight shooter and if you're still out there, thanks for. And that Quest commercial you just had heard. I hope everybody knows that Quest Nutrition was sold yesterday for 1 billion with the be dollars 1 billion dollars just nine years after they launched and they have been a strong supporter of this show and I'm very happy for all those guys over there.
[00:48:54] So have we missed anything knock seeds?
[00:49:00] [00:49:01] Dr. William Seeds: [00:49:01] Carl you just ask amazing questions that what can I say, you're always on top of your game. I'm thank you for for being a you know, someone that's believes in what we're doing and helping us, you know move the litmus test for if you want to say that this is all exciting times I think for where you know, we're really trying to change this Paradigm in health care of.
[00:49:28] Taking that sick care model out and giving people choices to control and change their lives and it's their it. There's so much there that we can do and the only thing holding us back is is what we can't do so it's all about it's all about moving forward and I can't thank you enough for all the things you've done to Pioneer that.
[00:49:51] And all of the people you've influenced around the world and all the all the other podcasters you've influenced. [00:50:00] It's amazing. I think you have to be part of
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[00:50:20] Dr. William Seeds: [00:50:20] Carl. I just want to say something real quick. So remember you and I still remember back when Quest started with their their their bar, right and and at the same time Scott Conley was working on his protein bar.
[00:50:33] Carl Lanore: [00:50:33] That's right.
[00:50:34] Dr. William Seeds: [00:50:34] He was going to bake his bar and there's with the Press Bar and they really were starting at the same time exact.
[00:50:40] You know, what? And and then and I thought Scott had brilliant concept. I thought it would I thought he was dead on he had fought that machine in Pennsylvania to move forward and
[00:50:52] Carl Lanore: [00:50:52] then van he bought he bought I bought an $800,000 machine to make his bar had a trip to Bakery Barn they didn't even [00:51:00] know was arriving.
[00:51:01] They called him up. This is Scott. What is this is a trailer truck here with this huge piece of equipment he goes. Yeah, that's we're going to use to make the bar.
[00:51:08] Dr. William Seeds: [00:51:08] Yeah, and I and on. Leave that big bar was a good bar. And but look what happened. I mean that's when Quest and you know, you you I mean, I thought you were significant and helping them right at the very beginning promote what they did.
[00:51:24] I remember it. I mean there's nobody talking about it, but you and and I remember when they started it and it was that was just amazing to see what those guys have done in it and my hat is off to them and that's just fantastic good for.
[00:51:38] Carl Lanore: [00:51:38] The things that Ron Penta has been working on since so he he was the original CEO of quest and really Shannon Penna was the originator of the Quest Bar.
[00:51:47] She created the first Quest Bar that they then mass produced and sold and and but since Ron left his position as the acting CEO, he has been working on something [00:52:00] that you and I are both excited about. And and that was the uncle blot test.
[00:52:06] Dr. William Seeds: [00:52:06] Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's right. So
[00:52:08] Carl Lanore: [00:52:08] they show Uncle blot went out of business and Ron had hired a team of scientists all over the United States and they have been working on making that Uncle blot cancer tests work and they are either very close or they've achieved it and we will see the fruits of his Labour's and the ability for people to do non-invasive in home test.
[00:52:31] That will identify a the presence of cancer and be the type of cancer before it would be detectable through traditional methods.
[00:52:42] Dr. William Seeds: [00:52:42] Yeah, right. We were just talking about you myself an Uzi. We're talking about that and remember Lucy had all the backstory on the uncle Blanc guys before
[00:52:53] Carl Lanore: [00:52:53] the funny son.
[00:52:54] The son took over the dad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dr. Uzi is pretty cool guy. [00:53:00] He dresses so sharp, doesn't he?
[00:53:02] Dr. William Seeds: [00:53:02] Dr. Reese? Dr.
[00:53:03] Carl Lanore: [00:53:03] Reese time not losing. Yeah.
[00:53:06] Dr. William Seeds: [00:53:06] Yeah. He's out of Beverly Hills. I mean he is the regenerative guy. He's the guy that pioneered the world here. I mean he is the guy so always a pleasure to be around him at any time and his knowledge is endless endless and you know, he's.
[00:53:25] He's in he's in his game. And he's the one who has he's got you know, he's Oprah's died. He's got everybody. He's the man.
[00:53:32] Carl Lanore: [00:53:32] Yeah. No, I've wonderful guy wonderful guy. Dr. Seats. Thanks so much for being on the show today.
[00:53:39] Dr. William Seeds: [00:53:39] Always a pleasure. We'll catch up again sometime Carl and how
[00:53:44] Carl Lanore: [00:53:44] we sell the we know Halloween is right around the corner.
[00:53:46] Yes, Josh. Tell Josh Halloween is right around the corner.
[00:53:49] Dr. William Seeds: [00:53:49] That's what she wanted me to ask you if you guys were coming for Halloween.
[00:53:52] Carl Lanore: [00:53:52] We wouldn't miss it. We wouldn't I tell Billy I tell it Billy I said hello as well. Okay.
[00:53:58] Dr. William Seeds: [00:53:58] Can you believe he blew us off for [00:54:00] that book?
[00:54:01] Carl Lanore: [00:54:01] That's okay. That's okay. He will get to have him on the show to do an interview about about the philosophy.
[00:54:08] That's what we're doing with him.
[00:54:09] Dr. William Seeds: [00:54:09] Oh, my they won't believe the team.
[00:54:11] Carl Lanore: [00:54:11] Alright. Thanks a lot doc.
[00:54:13] Dr. William Seeds: [00:54:13] Take care. Bye.
[00:54:14] Carl Lanore: [00:54:14] Hi, and that's it for today's show. It's Friday and we'll be back here Monday as always rain or shine. See you then. Have a good weekend [00:55:00] .
