[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] it's 12 o'clock noon on a Thursday. Today is September 26th, 2019. For those of you listening to this show a hundred years from now.  And we have a really fast moving show today. Ronnie Milo is going to be with me in a moment. This is the ReNew Life RX show. Adam Lamb is off opening clinics and doing wonderful things for people and so Ronnie is here with us again, but that's no.

[00:00:25] That's no less second-best because Ronnie is a sharp guy and I like him and having him on the show. I just want to point out that I'm not wearing a military ask type ball cap today. Eliza said that she's tired of me wearing these army hats all the time. I have a bunch of them. So she bought me this nice black Adidas one, which makes me look kind of like a fair skin dr.

[00:00:48] Dre. I'm cool with that. I'm cool with that. Anyway, we have a great fast-moving show for you. Today. We're going. To not waste any time we're going to get started right away the first step to changing your [00:01:00] life starts with the ReNew Life Show

[00:01:02] Ronnie Milo: [00:01:02] with Adam lamp.

[00:01:04] Carl Lanore: [00:01:04] We got to get out of a bed. Yeah, then I'm going to have to have a Elliot make another one with with you and it so we can swap it back and forth.

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[00:01:39] How you doing Ray? Good

[00:01:41] Ronnie Milo: [00:01:41] good good. No complaints man

[00:01:43] Carl Lanore: [00:01:43] short show the audience your hoodie. Come on representing the end up in Brooklyn baby Brooklyn. Here we go. Everybody wants to be from Brooklyn. That's it.

[00:01:54] Ronnie Milo: [00:01:54] That's it.

[00:01:55] Carl Lanore: [00:01:55] Right. How are you?

[00:01:57] Ronnie Milo: [00:01:57] Good good. Can I have can I give a quick [00:02:00] what's up to all my st.

[00:02:01] Thomas Aquinas High School baseball players are big fans of the show. I'm just going to conditioning coach there. Every time I get the practice you're like, hey coach. When's the next time you're going to be on the podcast? So they listen?

[00:02:12] Carl Lanore: [00:02:12] That's awesome. I remember st. Thomas Aquinas. I remember that yeah.

[00:02:15] Ronnie Milo: [00:02:15] Yeah. Yeah. Well we have four ball now. We're in Florida where we're fortunate enough that we could play baseball all year round so full ball started we get about a hundred twenty kids between JV and varsity. I got them in the weight room about 6:00 in the morning the seven before school. They take a shower go to school and then we're back on the field that five so they love it.

[00:02:33] They love it. It's been fun. The

[00:02:34] Carl Lanore: [00:02:34] best thing in the world is is to play a sport when you're young because the keeps you from smoking weed keeps you from doing all the wrong things. Because if you want to progress in a sport, you can't you can't live like your dumb Friends right staying up all night playing video games and smoking pot

[00:02:50] Ronnie Milo: [00:02:50] you how much I listen learn from my mistakes so you don't make the mistake and they're like,

[00:02:54] Carl Lanore: [00:02:54] you know, it's hard to do that right because our parents used to say that they would say, you know, [00:03:00] don't do as I do do as I say.

[00:03:03] Right, but it's real hard to do that, you know, so I think the best leaders are the ones that actually lead by example and that's hard to find. But anyway, we got a lot of good stuff to talk about today. We have three different studies that we're going to be covering kind of in Rapid succession.

[00:03:20] And the the first one that I want to talk about is really was quite shocking to me and I'm trying to open it up right now. It was the one on overtraining because I think that we all pretty much agree that overtraining is a function of overtraining like you going to the gym too frequently you're training with too great of an intensity to frequently.

[00:03:46] You're not taking enough time off to rest and recover. But this this study showed that that's completely wrong, isn't it?

[00:03:55] Ronnie Milo: [00:03:55] Yeah.

[00:03:56] Carl Lanore: [00:03:56] Oh, yeah. So talk about it a little bit talk.

[00:03:59] Ronnie Milo: [00:03:59] Yeah, I mean [00:04:00] if you look at the whole dynamic of the of the overtraining it's not really over training. That's the entry with one for eating right and I've got a long time ago my my bodybuilding days.

[00:04:11] It's you know, you're not overprinting you're under eating right? So basically like if you look at 99% of the contest prep guys out there, you know, what they'll do is they'll they'll decrease calories and increase cardio and increase training periodization. And then, you know two to three four, oh four weeks later.

[00:04:26] You're not seeing any progression in their clients. So they go ahead and raise the cardio to more more training and then cut the calories even more and they're not getting a good result in the prep, you know, and I've made that mistake myself in my early years and I started to really understand that.

[00:04:43] It's not the most time in the gym. It's the most time concentrating on, you know, supplementation sleeping and then diet, you know, I mean because what happens is when you're training a consistent basis you. Cortisol, right. We all heard the old cortisol levels plus you're also acting your central nervous system.

[00:04:59] So [00:05:00] cortisol does various amount of things in the body right cortisol is very important human function rights. It's the highest and every between 6 & 6 to 8 a.m. In the morning to help you to wake up actually releases in the morning to get rid of the melatonin to give you kind of get you up in there up in the morning and then it you know subsides probably around noon.

[00:05:20] That's why everybody wants to take their nap, you know. They go for their cup of coffee at noon, then it raises again and then obviously decreases around six to eight. At night and everybody starts to get large again stopping I'll lay on the couch watch TV and try to fall asleep, but then it raises back up again.

[00:05:36] And if you're training and a consistent basis that cortisol levels are increased and raised significantly that when you're ready to go to bed your body doesn't understand that it's still in to fight and flight mode, right? And that's the most important time to keep it, you know to keep it decreased at night.

[00:05:51] So the body could actually function and increase deep sleep, you know, REM sleep. So so

[00:05:58] Carl Lanore: [00:05:58] let's talk about the study of their so this [00:06:00] study was called novel causes and consequences of overtraining syndrome and the causes and consequences were really interesting. I'm trying to see they had a total of 39.

[00:06:15] They were healthy athletes 14 overtrained already and and 25 just plain old healthy athletes and they perform two clusters of statistical statistical analysis using the endocrine and metabolic response in overtraining syndrome process, and they looked at everything from sleep caloric intake.

[00:06:43] Training modalities of they also looked at carbohydrates proteins and and they didn't look at fats, but they look that carbohydrate and protein intake as compared to complete caloric intake right and I'm going to just go right down to [00:07:00] the bottom of the study right? And then I want to talk about one other thing in it.

[00:07:05] They said overtraining syndrome can be independently trigger. By eating patterns regardless of training patterns while the occurrence of odor overtraining syndrome reduced late hormonal responses and the testosterone to estrogen dial ratio worsen mood and affected the immune ology panel. These novel findings may explain under performance, which is key characteristic to overtraining syndrome.

[00:07:32] So I want to repeat this again for those of you who aren't picking up on the on the on the Nuance here. Overtraining syndrome can be independently triggered by eating patterns regardless of training patterns. This is huge. Right and I'll tell you why I put in the write-up for today's show that women may be more at risk for this phenomenon because us guys we we like to eat and we'll eat and and Society doesn't [00:08:00] mind if we eat Society doesn't mean if you're a.

[00:08:03] And Ronnie knows would have owners and you're sitting at a restaurant and you're eating two plates of food and you're a guy people go. Oh my God, you know look how big that guy isn't how much easy if you're a woman doing that they go. Oh my God, what's wrong with her? Like what? Is she is she a pig?

[00:08:18] So women tend to under eat to begin with and then when they're training and then they decide well, I'm going to start hitting it hard. I'm going to get it to Jim. I'm going to double down this week. I'm really going to work out. And they're not increasing their intake because they're afraid of what gaining weight how the scales going on up.

[00:08:38] Oh my God, it's muscle be happy. You know guys see the scale go. You see a guy at the gym. He's bragging. I'm 242 this morning man. I've gained five pounds this week people like, oh go bro. A girl goes a girl goes. Oh, I'm 2 pounds heavier today. I'm not eating anymore,

[00:08:55] Ronnie Milo: [00:08:55] right? Yes, especially, you know when they essentially starve themselves, right?

[00:09:00] [00:08:59] Because they think they make them fat right and then they start to over train and I see it a lot of in bikini competitors right there overtraining and they're under eating and cortisol actually stores fat beats muscle, you know, I mean, it's a big points to it also cortisol. Also especially increased cortisol levels.

[00:09:19] Increases blood sugar right and blood sugar obviously, we know could store as fat to you know, but usually there's there when I have a conversation with people and I've learned this from a doctor back in the day and it was if you could pinch anywhere from your belly button down. Is more of stress cortisol, if you can pinch the back of your tricep is more of a hormonal imbalance and if you could pinch the back of your sub scapula, which your shoulder blade it's more of an insulin resistance not Advocate a time.

[00:09:47] I ask my clients. You know, what can you pinch and to go my lower belly. I'm like what stress that's cortisol. Right? Are you sleeping? You know, we always ask the question how you sleep when I can't sleep I get up in the middle of night to pee and all this other stuff and then I asked. How's your diet?

[00:10:00] [00:10:00] Well, I'm eating one meal a day. Okay, what are you eating? You know, I have a salad and that's it. And I'm like, well, there's your there's a problem right there right under eating

[00:10:08] Carl Lanore: [00:10:08] and here's the interesting thing prep coaches will take and this is especially true of women that they're getting ready for competition.

[00:10:15] They're 16 weeks out. They'll start having them do more cardio. That's not making them lose weight because they're under such a stressful condition already. So then they'll cut their calories. That's not doing anything then they'll have them do more cardio. That's not do anything. Then I'm cut and the women of like being honest like no, I'm only eating 1200 calories a day.

[00:10:36] I'm doing two hours of cardio a day and I still have all this Sub-Q fat the study found out that one of the byproducts of of overtraining syndrome is the tendency to continue to increase levels of visceral fat. Now think about this you're in a caloric restriction. You're doing cardio all [00:11:00] day long, but your body is storing fat regardless of where it's stored people always said that's that's visceral fat.

[00:11:07] Yeah, that's hormonal. No doubt about it. But just think about this you're starving yourself, but yet your body is turning whatever you do get into fat. This is a an amazing phenomenon. That people have argued about forever. There's gurus out there say impossible. Even me. You know what I used to say Ronnie you ever see a concentration camp.

[00:11:31] No fat people you starve you get skinny and that is true when you're eating nothing at all. But when you are eating something your body goes, okay, we got to do something with this meal. We got to store it because this city is going to kill us.

[00:11:45] Ronnie Milo: [00:11:45] Right panics.

[00:11:46] Carl Lanore: [00:11:46] Yes. So when you're under high stress cutting calories is while it's intuitive to try to lose more weight.

[00:11:54] It's counterintuitive because it's going to make you hold onto body fat,

[00:12:00] [00:12:00] Ronnie Milo: [00:12:00] right and two things with that is increased cortisol, you know production actually increases insulin sense resistance, right? So your insulin resistance and you do eat the body is still going to store the fat because it's not able to be utilized.

[00:12:15] So and then also on that, you know cortisol down regulates, you know sexual hormones, you know, testosterone estrogen progesterone pregnenolone all those things. So it's really cortisol is really important but chronic cortisol, especially in pre-contest prep or anything in that nature or high level stress levels from jobs, or.

[00:12:35] Is going to definitely affect body composition especially Crystal Apple adipose tissue.

[00:12:41] Carl Lanore: [00:12:41] Well, I now Diego papparella makes a good point, you know depleted glycogen stores in the liver is a is one of the negative feedback loops for the body because that's the last place that the body stores glycogen so can send it to the muscles under eating overtraining decreases cortisol.

[00:12:57] I mean conversion of T4 to T3. [00:13:00] Lowering thyroid function which increases cortisol. I don't think that's what increases cortisol. I think it's cortisol is increasing on its own in factually of fact, I think it's the other way around I think increased cortisol agonizes the thyroid and yeah because the body is the thyroid the body's going OK we are not getting enough.

[00:13:21] Energy every day to do the job. So, you know you like in your in a balloon and the balloon is coming down you start throwing things out right to make it lighter and go so the body goes. Okay. What can we start? What can we start changing about metabolic process? Well, Let's lower the resting metabolic rate.

[00:13:36] How do we do that? Twofold shut the thyroid down and start breaking down muscle cause muscle is like the sandbag. It's like that's unnecessary caloric demand. We don't need that muscle just to walk around. Let's start getting rid of muscle and you start to see muscle wasting but the decreases in testosterone I'm going.

[00:13:58] Argue with right [00:14:00] now because of a study we're going to talk about it and sleep apnea. So everybody thinks that certain stresses to the body decrease testosterone when in fact it may not decrease testosterone. It may actually decrease the effectiveness of testosterone and I'm going to I'm going to put that out there as my own opinion right now and and Diego is agreeing but he makes a great Point.

[00:14:26] Once the liver starts running out of glycogen the body goes. Oh, man, we got we got no battery left that the liver is the battery, you know, if we're not making glycogen. To feed muscle and the and the liver is becoming more and more depleted. You're basically not now you're on reserve. It's like once the reserve runs out we're dead.

[00:14:46] So that's what triggers the body to go into this super saving mode if you will, what do you think?

[00:14:52] Ronnie Milo: [00:14:52] Well, I mean if you look at thyroid, I usually recommend thyroidism your thermostat for your body, right? It's like the thermostat at your house if it's hot the [00:15:00] thermostat kicks on the AC kick on if it's called thermostat kicks on AC turns off.

[00:15:05] There's something going on in the system, whether it's high levels of stress, whether it's inconsistencies and diet whether it's hormonal imbalance the thyroids going to try to compensate either being fast or slow to regulate what's going on in the system, right? And a lot of times we have people that have Todd TSH and they have low testosterone.

[00:15:26] Well, when we add testosterone therapy or DHEA supplementation in it regulates the TSH and then we do blood work three months after down the road and we see it start to regulate and fix itself. Right same with autoimmune diseases right autoimmune disease or some kind of disruption in the system.

[00:15:41] It'll go ahead and over producer under produced the thyroid. Because there's some kind of disruption and in the

[00:15:48] Carl Lanore: [00:15:48] end of that and they're trying to get the thyroid to help it out. And here's a perfect example of what about why you're exactly right about that. So there was a study done about 10 years ago on interns [00:16:00] doctors who are pulling internship at hospitals and they would doing two days continuous right 48-hour shifts.

[00:16:10] And after the first night of No, Sleep TSH plummeted plummeted, right? So the early wisdom said, oh, yeah because the because the body is is being disrupted Bubba, but if you look at it through and from an evolutionary perspective, right the body rewards you when the energy you expend. Brings in energy because the body is looking at us like we were hunter-gatherers, right if we worked all day long and got no food the body's going okay this idiot can't hunt we got to make adjustments or he will die.

[00:16:48] And so sleep is one of those things where if you're not sleeping then the environment must be hostile. Why are you not sleeping and as a result of that the body goes? Okay, [00:17:00] we have to conserve something is really wrong. We have to conserve and the. Domino of conservation of metabolic conservation is to turn the thyroid down because if we burn less calories, we need less energy and we can survive even though this idiot can't seem to find food right and really that's an over simplification.

[00:17:24] And there are scientists who would hear this show and go that guy is an idiot, but I guarantee you that this oversimplify simplification is exactly what the thyroid is doing in the body is doing in the face of no sleep in the face of high energy output with no energy coming back in it. The body is trying to save itself

[00:17:45] Ronnie Milo: [00:17:45] and then also to look at the food sources, right?

[00:17:48] Our food sources. These days are preservatives. They got bpa's in them that's going to affect thyroid production as well.

[00:17:54] Carl Lanore: [00:17:54] Yeah, because a lot of those even chlorine is a halogen chlorine. So chloride [00:18:00] actually competes with iodide at the at the thyroid. So if you the thyroid wants to uptake iodine and by the way, estrogen is critical for iodide bonding in the thyroid, but if there's chloride in the way.

[00:18:18] Then it blocks the iodine from uptake. Say what right? You're right

[00:18:24] Ronnie Milo: [00:18:24] Lauren as well.

[00:18:26] Carl Lanore: [00:18:26] Yeah, all of those all of those are halogens bromide they put him they put bromide I think as a leavening agent in bread. Well, it broke hide the high intake of bromide can cause thyroid issues like you put so all of those Ides, they're called halogens.

[00:18:43] They're all in the same class and they all compete for uptake in the thyroid and they displace. Right film.

[00:18:52] Ronnie Milo: [00:18:52] Yeah. Well, I'm also too, you know, I think thyroid medication now is probably almost the most over prescribed drug out there. Right? [00:19:00] What happens is you go in. Your thyroid levels are off they put you on a thyroid medication, but they don't look at the hormones right the hormone can fix the thyroid issue if they if they identify that and we have a lot of people come in there on thyroid medication already and then we look at their hormones and their tanks, you know, they're in the toilet.

[00:19:15] So. 

[00:19:17] Carl Lanore: [00:19:17] Interesting you say this? People who have thyroid disorders.  Also have sex steroid complications. And so let me give you an example when someone is hyperthyroid. They have just burn it up there producing so much thyroid hormone men when men hypothyroid they're also hyper. Gonadal. They produce crazy amounts of testosterone.

[00:19:43] Right and when someone is hypothyroid, they produce very little testosterone.

[00:19:47] Ronnie Milo: [00:19:47] Absolutely. Absolutely. Sorry without sin.

[00:19:51] Carl Lanore: [00:19:51] It's a symphony the other the other thing that I wanted to inject into this discussion, and I forgot what it was so that's okay [00:20:00] my brain moves too fast for me. But anyway, so the bottom line of this was if you don't want to be an estate of overtraining increased your.

[00:20:10] Calorie intake now does that mean you should eat Pop-Tarts and and bagels and donuts? No be selective and absolutely increase your protein intake for sure. I mean if you're going to eat more eat more protein first and then eat more carbs and those carbs should be healthy choices. If you are going to eat starches, you know, sweet potatoes rice and white rice I prefer because it has less anti-nutrients in it.

[00:20:38] And then your fats your healthy fats, like don't go I've because I did this recently so. I guess it was about two months ago a little more than two months ago. I started doing a gram of week of test as a goof just to see and of course I up my calories and I my body really responded quickly. But I ate garbage to I ate I just said all the hell with it.

[00:20:59] I'm just [00:21:00] gonna eat everything. I want to eat. Well, of course I put on a certain amount of body fat that I've now gotten rid of again, but you know, if I was more selective if I would have eaten more white rice and more chicken breast and and more flank steak. I probably wouldn't have put on the fat I would have just put on the muscle

[00:21:17] Ronnie Milo: [00:21:17] absolutely.

[00:21:18] Absolutely.

[00:21:18] Carl Lanore: [00:21:18] No piece of be selective. I so good. I'm sorry Hi foods and

[00:21:23] Ronnie Milo: [00:21:23] minerals help kind of regulate the adrenal cortex system, you know what I mean? So because a lot of people are mineral deficient, you know, because they think they're eating the right foods and we're you know for a fact that.

[00:21:36] Foods aren't aren't high in minerals anymore. So mineral High mineral foods will or mineral supplementation will help regulate the adrenal cortex

[00:21:43] Carl Lanore: [00:21:43] and and there was an adrenal disruptive component of I didn't get into it all the different portions of the endocrine system that are actually affected by overtraining but adrenocortical I was one of them as well.

[00:21:58] Obviously the adrenals [00:22:00] are part of the metabolic. System, you know because the adrenaline makes you react quickly makes you move faster. It's going to put you into a state of more activity. Let's just say for Simplicity purposes. And if your body is trying to down regulate energy consumption, the adrenals will also start to shut down as well.

[00:22:21] Right

[00:22:22] Ronnie Milo: [00:22:22] and then also over consumption of caffeine to gives you kind of adrenal fatigue or core chronic cortisol out. Because I don't we just cortisol,

[00:22:29] Carl Lanore: [00:22:29] you know, and this is a big thing. So many of us me included use stupid amounts of caffeine on a day-to-day basis, you know, right? I I admitted that I had to stop using caffeine for a while because I was using so much it wasn't I wasn't feeling it again.

[00:22:46] Well when I don't feel caffeine, it's because my adrenals are just tuckered out. You know, like you've had your foot on this gas pedal. We're just not doing anything anymore. That's when that's when you're when caffeine stops working for you. That's a sign that you [00:23:00] got to stop the caffeine not double down on it because your adrenals aren't responding any longer.

[00:23:05] That's

[00:23:06] Ronnie Milo: [00:23:06] it. Yeah. Yeah, they're overtaxed.

[00:23:08] Carl Lanore: [00:23:08] I had I drank three bangs two weeks ago Monday morning before this show and I didn't feel a thing.

[00:23:17] Ronnie Milo: [00:23:17] Really

[00:23:17] Carl Lanore: [00:23:17] and that's when I took the next like five days off of any caffeine and then I drank a cup of coffee and I felt it was like, oh, yeah because my adrenals went okay, we can catch a breath now.

[00:23:26] Did

[00:23:26] Ronnie Milo: [00:23:26] you go through any withdrawals or anything?

[00:23:28] Carl Lanore: [00:23:28] No, I don't go through any withdrawals. In fact, I sleep so much better when I stopped

[00:23:32] Ronnie Milo: [00:23:32] worrying. Absolutely.

[00:23:33] Carl Lanore: [00:23:33] I got I get Mark and increases in deep and REM sleep when I stopped

[00:23:39] Ronnie Milo: [00:23:39] caffeine. Yeah get up groggy at all.

[00:23:42] Carl Lanore: [00:23:42] No, not really. No, but well I didn't I didn't have as much energy in the morning until after I trained right once I trained I snapped out of it.

[00:23:54] The next study I want to talk about is really interesting because you know cortisol seems to be a [00:24:00] common theme in today's discussion. So everybody pay attention to that. This study looked at serum testosterone cortisol ratios. And people with obstructive sleep apnea. They broke this into three groups of Osa those who snored a little those who snored moderately and those who had you know, real bad obstructive sleep apnea where they were having multiple Awakenings every hour and they looked at them from a hormonal standpoint because they were looking to see if in fact.

[00:24:34] Testosterone is affected by a obstructive sleep apnea. Now before you read this study, I think you would have been with me and said absolutely it affects testosterone level, right? But this study shows something completely different. Well, I

[00:24:50] Ronnie Milo: [00:24:50] think it disrupts the process has grown quite conversion of pregnenolone to Progesterone to [00:25:00] D2 DHEA to testosterone so and roots and died on all that progress the disrupts it so the disruption process is not able to facilitate the testosterone be utilized efficiently, right?

[00:25:13] Even though levels could be normal. I think it's disrupting the process so it's not able to be utilized the way it needs to be utilized. I think that's what that's that's my determination. So

[00:25:24] Carl Lanore: [00:25:24] here yes, and so here's what they said. First of all what they did was they looked at all four groups right normal sleepers and then the three different levels of obstructive sleep apnea, and I think the highest level of struct of sleep apnea were having something like.

[00:25:42] 26 Awakenings an hour or something like that. They looked at they looked at testosterone levels and let me find this good cortisol levels.  They looked at sex hormone-binding globulin.

[00:25:58] And [00:26:00] what they found was there was no significant difference between the normal sleepers. And the three subtypes of obstructive sleep apnea in terms of total and free testosterone the result it did show significantly higher levels of cortisol and the severe obstructive sleep apnea group compared compared to the normal sleepers and the two other lesser subtypes in.

[00:26:28] Testosterone cortisol ratio was significantly lower among the Osa and that's not because the testosterone went down that's because the cortisol went up right significant significant correlation between minimal oxygen oxygen and a h i so so pulse oximetry and and and apnea hypoxia index to cortisol and cortisol and minimal.

[00:26:56] Blood oxygen levels. So the bottom line [00:27:00] of this study was to stop still becomes less effective because cortisol goes through the roof.  And mark the Corso ask the question that fits nicely into this discussion.

[00:27:15] So I'm going to tell you yes, and I actually had the first time I talked about this the ability for one bad night's sleep to change blood sugar management levels was with the guy who is working with the United States Olympic skiing team. When the Olympics were here in the Northwest somewhere Colorado.

[00:27:40] I don't remember where and he actually looked at Sleep Quality and he showed that Olympic athletes with just one night of under six hours. Sleep had the blood sugar management of 70 year olds. Now what a seven year olds. I don't know what he but the point was that [00:28:00] one bad night sleep causes a hard time for the body to manage blood sugar and.

[00:28:05] Is why after one bad night sleep people crave carbohydrates they crave them.  So, yes, absolutely.

[00:28:14] Ronnie Milo: [00:28:14] What so what happens what I see is if you have a bad night's sleep your body increases cortisol, correct? And we know cortisol increases blood sugar, right? So therefore we'll see we'll see some increase in blood sugar when I do the reviews for the labs when I have people, you know clients that we do the reviews.

[00:28:32] I look at their glucose level and they could be 100 101 99 and I always ask them. Hey, have you had the Jeff coffee before you did this? Because that could increase blood sugar as well and they say no and I said, well, how'd you sleep that night? Well, I didn't get really much sleep and I go well, there you go there that's how identify the increased blood sugar because blood sugar is just a part of the puzzle.

[00:28:52] We still have to look at other things that determine if you're going to be pre-diabetic or diabetic at all right hb1 AC triglycerides. Those make it through [00:29:00] determination

[00:29:00] Carl Lanore: [00:29:00] will in insulin insulin doctors who just look at blood sugar and don't pay attention to insulin and doing their patients an amazing disservice used

[00:29:11] Ronnie Milo: [00:29:11] to look for all the time.

[00:29:13] Carl Lanore: [00:29:13] Well, you have to so the analogy I started giving years. In fact, I did a show probably around 2007 and I believe it was a Rutgers University scientists who came on and showed that just by. Removing caffeinated coffee from type 2 diabetics diet allowed them to reduce their insulin memetics and blood sugar and glucose disposal drugs by 50% to speak to your point.

[00:29:41] Once you drink caffeine blood sugar goes right up even if you haven't eaten anything

[00:29:46] Ronnie Milo: [00:29:46] absolutely

[00:29:47] Carl Lanore: [00:29:47] but but the interesting thing about that was that they tried they tried. Decaf, no problem. They were able to drink it and keep their meds low. [00:30:00] They tried both because the argument was oh well, if you give him caffeine anhydrous up here he comes if you give them caffeine anhydrous, are you coming back?

[00:30:09] The argument was that if you give them a caffeine anhydrous they will hey we're on different sides that they will they will respond differently than if you give them coffee because coffee has some kind of magic in it, and that wasn't true. They gave them decaf with caffeine anhydrous in it and they gave him full calf coffee and they both did the same thing.

[00:30:30] They both raise blood sugar without the increase in carbohydrate intake right

[00:30:37] Ronnie Milo: [00:30:37] because it increases cortisol, right? Because it's a it's a synthetic version of End of energy adrenaline, right? So it's going to increase cortisol and cortisol increases blood.

[00:30:46] Carl Lanore: [00:30:46] So fast it insulin, I want to talk about this so fasted insulin is so important looking at blood sugar by itself.

[00:30:54] Right? So you you can have somebody who really they don't sleep. Well, they eat [00:31:00] crappy and they take their fasting blood sugar and it's 86 and the doctor was oh, that's really good. But how much insulin are they producing to keep it at 86 and the analogy I have always given is looking at blood sugar alone.

[00:31:15] And trying to determine the level of insulin resistance of a person is like trying to determine how fast your car is going by how far away the gas pedal is from the floorboard. You're not taking into anything into account. Are you going downhill or going uphill? You can't tell how fast the car is going just by go.

[00:31:33] No, I'm halfway depressed. I got to be doing 60 know you could be doing 40 you could do be doing 90. So when until. Physicians on a widespread scale start looking at c-peptide or direct insulin plus blood sugar. We will never ever be able to help people who are insulin resistant never

[00:31:56] Ronnie Milo: [00:31:56] ever know and they don't want that.

[00:31:58] They don't want that right? Because [00:32:00] if they knew and they did look at insulin levels, they wouldn't be able to prescribe the drugs

[00:32:03] Carl Lanore: [00:32:03] right? Because they have to do things to get the insulin down first it have say. Hey, we got to change your diet. Absolutely,

[00:32:09] Ronnie Milo: [00:32:09] and we should see a lot of my old Clinic because we did insulin panels and you know, you would see insulin and 30s 40s even 50s and we like well, that's your first problem your insulin resistant.

[00:32:19] How do you know your insulin levels are through the roof

[00:32:22] Carl Lanore: [00:32:22] and there's lots of things that make you more insulin energetic. Guess what one of them is Porsche leave.

[00:32:27] Ronnie Milo: [00:32:27] Yeah, absolutely,

[00:32:29] Carl Lanore: [00:32:29] you know and and doctors don't they don't ask about sleep. And the only thing they go to is Lou nestra, you know, Lunesta and those types of drugs just because you're laying still with your eyes closed for eight hours doesn't mean you're sleeping.

[00:32:43] Those people have the same risk of developing diabetes as shift workers because they're not really sleeping. I mean if I hit you in the head with a hammer and you laid on the floor for eight hours, would you wake up and go man? That was refreshing. I feel great, right, you know like when you come to my house [00:33:00] and hit me again tonight.

[00:33:01] No, you be like all out of sorts those drugs and don't forget to prove my point those people who use those kind of drugs they wake up in the middle of the night go to Atlantic City and gamble their their monthly paycheck away. Go home. Get back in bed. Wake up in the morning and never remember doing.

[00:33:17] Ronnie Milo: [00:33:17] Or eat the entire frigerator. And I mean then you see little Trails of candy wrappers in the bedroom. You're like what's

[00:33:23] Carl Lanore: [00:33:23] goes drugs are friggin horrible. They're horrible. One of the worst classes of drugs is so many people they change people's personalities. I've heard I've heard her husband's say about their wives once she started taking that sleeping pill man.

[00:33:35] She just changed cheat somebody different now,

[00:33:38] Ronnie Milo: [00:33:38] right and I've seen I think I read a study that they're starting to link those between dementia Alzheimer's and Parkinson's as well. Oh, I'm

[00:33:45] Carl Lanore: [00:33:45] sure I'm sure horrible horrible drugs. We have to take one commercial break. I'm going to bit get back on the other side of the screen here in a second.

[00:33:52] And when we come back, we have another interesting study to talk about that looks at the onset of anxiety during [00:34:00] adolescence and it's got some interesting implications that maybe doctors shouldn't be prescribing Xanax. But starting to do hormone panels for kids stay tuned. I don't know why but I have a hot mic.

[00:34:14] Somewhere on this.  on this control board here because.  the commercials don't sound right going out on Facebook. And when I said test test and you said test test it went out over the air and it shouldn't have been because I had your mic muted. So hold on a second. I got I still have your mic muted home one second.

[00:34:37] I don't I don't know where that's coming from. But we haven't we have some sort of a hot mic on the control board. I'm gonna have to figure it out. But now is not the time. Okay. So we're talking today with the Ronnie Milo. This is the ReNew Life RX show and we're now going to talk about a show of a study and I'm trying to get it up here as quickly as possible that looked at the development [00:35:00] of anxiety and what they discovered was it happens to people.

[00:35:07] During adolescence and young adulthood and it can continue and last into adulthood and the reality. Is that the.  The reality is that there may be a neuroendocrine component to it. That doctors are ignoring. Did you have a chance to take a look at this one?

[00:35:29] Ronnie Milo: [00:35:29] No heaven.

[00:35:31] Carl Lanore: [00:35:31] So it's an interesting discussion.

[00:35:35] And here's here's the here's why I think doctors have ignored this so children don't develop schizophrenia until they start going through puberty. Okay, in fact a lot of neurological disorders that affect young children doesn't take place until they start to go through puberty, which tells you that sex hormones play a role in modulating neural [00:36:00] neuro endocrine hormones.

[00:36:02] And the same can be true about women who go through menopause and overtime men who go through andropause their personalities change. I mean, I've had husband say. You know, they don't even recognize their wife anymore when she went through menopause. It's like a personality change became a different person and the same is true of old, you know, you look at a lot of old guys that they're in there deep into andropause and people say they're grumpy their Moody.

[00:36:27] They're more violent and more Angry all the time. So we know that these sex hormones play a role on Behavior. Well, this study looked at the development window during which emotional dysregulation start to increase which was adolescence and this is when anxiety starts to show up in young adults, excuse me, and the at the study basically says that they think there may be a testosterone components.

[00:36:59] And that [00:37:00] more research needs to be done because it looks like the influences of pubertal testosterone on key and emotion regulating circuitry in the orbital frontal cortex. Amygdala coupling unit and specific testable hormones could show that when to stop stone is introduced in puberty to both boys and girls by the way.

[00:37:29] Boys and girls that it actually can create the onset of anxiety and women young girls get this two times greater than young boys do and I really do believe it's because testosterone plays a much stronger has a much more effect on them because of their sensitivity to testosterone that's my opinion.

[00:37:53] Ronnie Milo: [00:37:53] I mean I have first-hand of it. I mean I'm with kids all day. You know, I'm from 12 year olds to 18 year olds and I see [00:38:00] a lot of them have you know, I don't know if you want to call it a journal in dominance anxiety attention deficit and they're on meds to even at an early age, you know.

[00:38:10] Carl Lanore: [00:38:10] Oh. Yeah,

[00:38:11] Ronnie Milo: [00:38:11] because you know, I got to tell that I got to ask the kids.

[00:38:14] Did you take your meds today? And they're like, yeah, like all right, you know just be careful, you know, do mom and dad say but you know my opinion it's you know, terrible. They shouldn't be on that stuff. You know what I mean? But then also to seeing that you know puberty is happening at a younger and younger age these days, right?

[00:38:29] Carl Lanore: [00:38:29] You know why that it you know that we know what that is, right. The food's no no, no kids so so puberty. The Cascade of puberty starts when melatonin starts to drop when you're young your melatonin levels of probably tenfold higher than when you're

[00:38:52] Ronnie Milo: [00:38:52] older, you know

[00:38:54] Carl Lanore: [00:38:54] as melatonin starts to drop puberty starts to kick in [00:39:00] so there's a lot of scientists who say puberty is Harold by the drop in melatonin now, You cannot officially drop melatonin know how you kids stays up late at night playing video games watching TV and they're interrupting that pulse of melatonin and we see a correlation there was a study that dr.

[00:39:22] Russell. Who's been on my show numerous times in the past 14 years. He is known as The Godfather of the pineal gland. He's authored over 800 papers and some ridiculous number of books used by universities about the pineal gland and its primary hormone melatonin, and he came on my show many years ago and showed that girls who stayed up late.

[00:39:48] And watch television. Let me know they're watching television. Is that the TV no, it's the staying up late girls who stayed up late? Experience precocious puberty almost [00:40:00] exclusively when they stayed up late girls who went to bed early did not expand. The study was very profound. It was like Wow, but no one paid attention because people have their let their kids mothers and fathers will go to sleep and say okay shut the lights when you go up kids will stay up til 3 o'clock in the morning then get up at 6:00 to go to school that.

[00:40:18] That's suppression of melatonin that artificial suppression of melatonin will give them boobs will have good cause hair to start growing on on their their their privates. I mean, it's it forces them into precocious puberty, right?

[00:40:32] Ronnie Milo: [00:40:32] I thought it was like the soy and all the hormones

[00:40:35] Carl Lanore: [00:40:35] that could be playing a role.

[00:40:36] There's no doubt about it. But the number one thing that switches them into into puberty too soon is having them stay up late every night.

[00:40:47] Ronnie Milo: [00:40:47] Yeah, that makes sense. Doesn't it? A lot of my kids they stay up late and you know, they're on social media. They're playing their Fortnight or they're playing they're bad in or whatever their plan.

[00:40:56] They just stay up late because I always ask them what time you go to bed because they always ask me what time you go to bed [00:41:00] coach. I'm like 9:00 9:30. I'm like what time you go to bed 12:1, you know, I'm like. How do you get enough sleep? You gotta be up to 6 for workouts, you know,

[00:41:09] Carl Lanore: [00:41:09] they don't and they think it's because we're old, right?

[00:41:11] They think all your old is you you know, no, it's not because we're old it's because we understand. The things that are mission critical to our goals my goal isn't to be cool anymore. My girl is it to be out there at the club drinking with my friends. My goal is to get up in the morning and train hard.

[00:41:32] My goal is to be fully engaged in life. My goal is to achieve my goals and I got to I got to be a hundred percent to do that and part of that is getting to bed around nine

[00:41:40] Ronnie Milo: [00:41:40] o'clock. Yeah. Oh, yeah that's on that all the time, you know because you know, well that for training all day. We got practice and almost nine o'clock at night, you know, I got to be able to function

[00:41:50] Carl Lanore: [00:41:50] these kids and these kids are doing it and they're running on fumes most of the time.

[00:41:53] Ronnie Milo: [00:41:53] No, yeah, and then they eat like garbage, you know, so all that stuff just adds up.

[00:41:59] Carl Lanore: [00:41:59] I want to put [00:42:00] Mark the Corsos comment up here and I want to I want to tell them why this is because I know why it is he. Slightly different detour. I struggled with extreme anxiety Kettle 100% cures and I will tell you why in a second then when I transitioned into gluten-free diet.

[00:42:15] I keep most of the effects, okay.

[00:42:24] So the reason people get anxiety is because of hypoglycemia. Hormones, like testosterone and estrogen and especially progesterone and progestin and pregnenolone help the body regulate blood sugar the reason women so I got to weave This Together women get hot flashes hot flashes. They get Tremor they get anxiety.

[00:42:51] They get night sweats. These are all because their blood sugar is dropping. And then the adrenals kick in and it comes back up [00:43:00] and then they straight now. So the reason the keto diet works for people have anxiety is because it levels out blood sugar. It makes you more insulin sensitive and it levels out blood sugar.

[00:43:12] That's the that's the number one fact because all of these anxiety that all of these hormonal e influence anxiety episodes have a direct effect on blood sugar when blood sugar drops your brain goes. Wow, we're running out of fuel. And you don't know that that's why you're freaking out you just go something's wrong man.

[00:43:33] I don't know what's wrong. I feel freaked out because your brain doesn't have a brain that's looking at it going. Oh, don't worry. It's just your brain running out of gas. We're going to turn the adrenals on and you're going to feel like this adrenaline rush in a minute because we're going to try to liberate some from glycogen to get to the brain.

[00:43:51] So all anxiety has a glucose management component so when you went keto. You [00:44:00] fix that it took you a while. But once that was fixed, once your insulin sensitivity came up and your body wasn't depending on glucose. It was running on ketones you fix that they fix it

[00:44:11] Ronnie Milo: [00:44:11] because ketones run your brain runs more efficient on ketones, but you had yet.

[00:44:15] Dr. Platt on the show kind of go into that about your brain needs fuel every four hours and if you're not eating. Your body needs fuel your brainy fuel. So it's going to increase adrenaline, right and then increased cortisol and all the other things and those have a correlation with increased anxiety.

[00:44:31] Carl Lanore: [00:44:31] Yeah, and and again when you manage cortisol your indirectly managing blood. And you even said that a little while ago cortisol and blood sugar but at the end the thing that precipitates the thing that precipitates the changes in dopamine Gaba and glutamate is the brains emergency response system that it's running out of fuel.

[00:44:58] Make note make [00:45:00] no no doubt about what I'm saying here like so so in 2002. I got really sick was using a lot of drugs messing around a lot of stuff and and I had to take some time off and I became an insomniac I would go to sleep. I'd fall asleep. I sleep for an hour and a half to two hours and I would wake up anxiety.

[00:45:27] I mean, I remember one night. I almost like I didn't know what was wrong with me. I was going to get in the car and drive myself to the hospital. But then it passed it passed and this was going on for months months. I would walk around the house in the middle of the night. Everybody was sleeping the kids asleep.

[00:45:41] I felt like a ghost. I felt like I was Haunting the house every time I went to search for my symptoms. I inevitably ended up at a woman's menopause website. She every time in fact I became popular at that time. There was a website called power [00:46:00] surge.com, which was later bought by AOL, which was a woman's menopause website and all these women were suffering from the same problems.

[00:46:09] I was and that's when it started to dawn on me. So what I did was I got a glucometer. I kept it by my bed stand I had a needle in the land the in the Lancet and I had it loaded and I had the strip right there. Just had to push it the rest of the way in and when I would wake up in the middle of the night and like complete.

[00:46:30] I would push it in pop it and test my blood sugar and my blood sugar was down in the 50s.

[00:46:36] Ronnie Milo: [00:46:36] I bet. Yeah, I bet

[00:46:37] Carl Lanore: [00:46:37] I wake up. I'll be like, oh God, what's wrong with me? I'd be sweating. I'd be shaking I would feel all freaked out. Well sure that's dopamine and glutamate and Gaba all working on my brain as part of the emergency response system wake this fool up.

[00:46:52] We're not getting any fuel he needs to wake up. So the adrenals kick in and we get. Yeah, so but but make [00:47:00] no mistake about it you manage blood sugar and the Gaba and glutamate and and dopamine they stay harmonious. They're happy.

[00:47:09] Ronnie Milo: [00:47:09] Absolutely

[00:47:09] Carl Lanore: [00:47:09] they have. Yeah. So yeah. I took me a while to figure that one out.

[00:47:13] And so and I have people now who tell me they wake up in the middle of the. With anxiety and I tell them first thing you got to do is go to Walgreens pick up that 1995. They have a 1995 a glucometer comes with 10 test strips 10 lancets. Put it by the bed. So here's what you'll see one of two things.

[00:47:33] And either of them will be irregular. So let's say you had your last meal at seven eight o'clock. You went to bed you wake up to clock in the morning. You're sweating. You're Shakin. You you pop your finger you check your blood either. It's going to be stupid Lo like in the 50s or low 60s or it's going to be stupid high like in the 200s and you're going to say well, okay the low I get oh, I'm freaking out.

[00:47:59] I have [00:48:00] hypoglycemia. But why am I seeing this hot? Well, because now you're seeing the body after it responded so you haven't eaten for five or six hours. How could your blood sugar be in the 200s? Because your body had an emergency and it flooded your bloodstream with glucose because it's trying to satisfy the brain.

[00:48:20] So if you see either of those things what it basically means is if you see it in the 50s and 60s. You got it done fast. You were still in the episode if you see it in 180 and 200 and you haven't eaten in five hours. You're seeing the after the episode response of the body to correct itself, either one of those tells you that you had a hypoglycemic episode.

[00:48:42] You either are seeing the episode or you seeing the body's response to it. And then you get your blood sugar straightened out go on a keto diet you start doing things to stabilize insulin sensitivity even matze could help people like this by the way the peptidyl IMO TSC. Yeah, because [00:49:00] that that.

[00:49:01] Helps correct the insulin sensitivity landscape and once you get the glucose issue straightened out, you'll sleep all night long. And in fact, if you don't believe me take three grams of glycine before bed and you'll sleep all night because glycine can turn into glucose. It's the most gluconeogenic amino acid.

[00:49:20] It turns into glucose without waking your body up. It doesn't need the adrenals it converts in the liver. So it will keep glucose levels stable all night long and you'll see. Why Wow, I slept all night last night. Yeah, it's because the glycine created a gangplank to keep the blood sugar level all night long.

[00:49:41] You have glucose management issues,

[00:49:43] Ronnie Milo: [00:49:43] right? And that's the nail goes back to your brain needs fuel. Right and if your blood sugar is low, it's going to wake up and say hey we need to get something going. I need some fuel.

[00:49:51] Carl Lanore: [00:49:51] Absolutely. Let's do this. Let's run our last commercial break when we come back.

[00:49:55] We'll wrap up the show. I know you want to talk about. DHEA a little bit because it kind of [00:50:00] fits into the context of this entire discussion, right? Yeah. I so stay tuned. We'll be right back.

[00:50:07] Well, if you heard some tapping a second ago, I found the hot mic. It's in this monitor right here.  And it's causing all sorts of feedback and I'll get it fixed up the Today show.

[00:50:20] Ronnie Milo: [00:50:20] I love your plan the Chinese chimes.

[00:50:22] Carl Lanore: [00:50:22] Yeah, well, then there was feedback on feedback was like that. They kept tapping and kept happened.

[00:50:27] I only tapped it once but it's like it fed back and then fed back again and then progressively got worse and worse and worse with all these squealing noises as terrible. Yeah, I'll get that fixed today. Anyway, I so you want to talk a little bit about DHEA in the context of pretty much all three of these discussions

[00:50:44] Ronnie Milo: [00:50:44] today.

[00:50:45] Right. Yeah. So so we do a DJ test on our blood work we test for DHEA sulfate and there's two types of DHA there DHEA and their DHA sulfate and we measure the sulfate that's actually a longer Half-Life in the bloodstream. Right and the majority of our patients come back with [00:51:00] low DHEA levels as long as well as low testosterone and estrogen levels and then obviously in the screening process.

[00:51:08] We always ask them, you know, what kind of Lifestyle you got going on or what kind of you know kind of stressors. You have no life and usually 99% of the time the lot of people are under a lot of stress. So we start to see a lot of low DHEA levels. Now we go ahead and prescribe a DHEA based on DHEA levels Pharmacy.

[00:51:26] It subscription-based DHEA because who knows what you're going to get in the supplement Market, you know, we know it's the Wild Wild West so, you know, we always prescribe them through one of the pharmacies. And we use that in conjunction with what testosterone therapy because DHEA praise plays a crucial role in testosterone and estrogen and progesterone and pregnenolone.

[00:51:49] And also we see a lot of low THC levels that are you know correlated with the no type 2 diabetes depression decreased bone density loss of sexual [00:52:00] desire osteoporosis sleeping problems is probably the number one thing that we see all the time gaining a little weight. You know joint pains muscle loss and fatigue.

[00:52:10] So I think that we put a lot of people men and women on the DHA supplement. No low-dose 25 milligrams before bed to actually help with the suppression of cortisol to help with increased Sleep Quality and we have a good success rate when we start to implement the DHEA levels at night. They report back that they have very very good sleep quality the next day and they're like, I haven't slept like that in a long time.

[00:52:35] And it was basically just identifying the DHEA and adding in a DHA supplement. That was a quick fix and then obviously we keep that in conjunction with the testosterone therapy because it helps with circulation than the metabolize metabolizing of the testosterone, you know when to enter stand down.

[00:52:53] So

[00:52:55] Carl Lanore: [00:52:55] what about is it's wise to take DHEA at night. Could it can it [00:53:00] because DHEA has a. An agonizing relationship with melatonin. So if you take DHEA too late can it hurt the pulse of melatonin

[00:53:13] Ronnie Milo: [00:53:13] but the pulse of melatonin and then you know, usually when I when I tell them to take it at night, I make them report back to me in the morning and how they slept if they didn't sleep good at all.

[00:53:22] Then I take it out at night and add it in the morning because it is increasing or decreasing the melts on a production, you know majority of the times they say hey, I slept great. You know what? I mean? And it all depends on whether DHEA levels are you know, if they're in the tank, you know 25 milligrams at night or just going to help them, you know decrease the cortisol and then help them with the with deep sleep.

[00:53:42] But yeah, like I said majority of the time I always ask them. You know, how did you sleep and they say I don't sleep good or they said I got up the next day. I was groggy. I was kind of like cloudy brain that said let's go ahead and take that out and add it in the morning and then you'll see different different affectionate.

[00:53:57] Carl Lanore: [00:53:57] Now. I have 100 milligram DHEA caps. [00:54:00] Is that too high? I

[00:54:01] Ronnie Milo: [00:54:01] mean, there's no really too high or too low it all depends on your DHL. I personally take 50 milligrams in the morning with pregnenolone and 50 milligrams at night. That's just me. So I don't think a hundred milligrams is too much. But like I said, everybody's different it all depends on your DHEA levels if you're on testosterone for replacement, you should be on a DHEA because your body will not produce DHA if you're giving it your body and exhaustion this course.

[00:54:26] Because I think say I don't need to make it you're given a body. It's giving your body an exhausting a source. So it doesn t to make it but we still need it for human function for sexual function,

[00:54:37] Carl Lanore: [00:54:37] you know consistency is an important word. I've been thinking I'm always think about the word consistency.

[00:54:44] I don't take DHEA consistently. So I really don't know if it's doing anything good for me or not. You know, I really need to take a consistently. I used to take a consistently but I become inconsistent about a so many things just because there's just so much to do everyday, but I do need to [00:55:00] start taking it every morning like clockwork with fatty food with fatty food.

[00:55:04] You absorb it better

[00:55:07] Ronnie Milo: [00:55:07] with fatty. Yeah, absolutely because it's a it's a sexual hormone. So it needs that flat.

[00:55:12] Carl Lanore: [00:55:12] Now if anybody's listening to the show and they're thinking man, you know, I hear a lot about HRT hormone replacement therapy. I've been thinking about it and thinking about it. I'm not even on the fence yet.

[00:55:22] It's not even like I've been on the fence about I've just been thinking about it how easy it is it for someone to just get in touch with you or someone at ReNew Life RX and get some simple questions.

[00:55:34] Ronnie Milo: [00:55:34] Yeah, it's fairly easy. You could go on our website renewal. I wear New Life are x.com and there's a contact us or schedule call.

[00:55:42] And then when you fill that out, I'll get the notification or you can email me direct at Milo em, ILO at ReNew Life are x.com.

[00:55:50] Carl Lanore: [00:55:50] And I know a lot of people that use you they email me and you have a lot of really happy men and women who work with.

[00:56:00] [00:55:59] Ronnie Milo: [00:55:59] Right. Yeah. I mean I take you know, when I talk to somebody for fun, I think about a good hour and a half just to go over everything make sure they're comfortable make sure they have any questions.

[00:56:08] You know what I mean? We want to make sure that they're fully comfortable because we want to put Healthcare back in their hands instead of you know, keeping it from them and always want to make them comfortable doing what they're doing because it's a big decision right? It's not like going to the store and buying creatine.

[00:56:22] It's messing with your hormones and your health

[00:56:24] Carl Lanore: [00:56:24] we missed one thing that marked the course will said I want to throw up here real. He said kids don't exercise either in this is a sad reality. If inactivity is as important for Health and Longevity with adults right there. Now saying that inactivity is a bigger killer than tobacco today and it's true people don't move and the body just doesn't do well.

[00:56:54] And you don't last long, but think about it this way when we were kids. We were out [00:57:00] all day long playing. Well, they will at least walking all day long, you know, maybe tomorrow. Yeah, and then you got the kids that play sports on top of it. We were riding bikes today kids don't do anything sit around and watch television walk through the refrigerator come back, you know, childhood.

[00:57:16] Obesity is an all-time high. It's where acting, you know, people are so freaked out about. Like oh, you know the climate change look we're going to be dead way before the planet becomes uninhabitable if we stay on the path were on right now, like like climate change is going to fix itself because all you people not that listen to this show, but all those people out there who are so overweight their kids are so overweight like you guys are just gonna die young.

[00:57:49] That's it. You know, I mean it's so I don't understand why nobody like I don't understand why all these politicians aren't talking about [00:58:00] the compounded effects of the large population that suffer from illness and obesity in this nation. We just ignore it. You can't talk about it because if you tell somebody they're fat you're bullying.

[00:58:14] Yeah, but you can't talk about it. I was 330 pounds. I have a card in my wallet says that I'm a card-carrying fat person so I can look at somebody and say you're fat if they know you're you're a but no, I'm not a bully I used to be fat too. Oh really? How did you fix it? Because fat look fat people don't want to be fast.

[00:58:34] The truth is we didn't I didn't want to be fat.

[00:58:38] Ronnie Milo: [00:58:38] Absolutely.

[00:58:38] Carl Lanore: [00:58:38] We gotta do something man. When I

[00:58:40] Ronnie Milo: [00:58:40] see someone in trouble way that you know, I look and I'm like, they're definitely something going on in their system whether it's wrong monel whether it's mental, you know what I mean? You know, they don't you don't cause you don't just get that way overnight.

[00:58:51] I mean it's built up over time. So and then I want to reach out and help them. But you know in this in this age, you can't can't approach these people you

[00:58:59] Carl Lanore: [00:58:59] can't afford [00:59:00] to be so I hung out with Ron penny. Last week and it's really funny. You know, we were talking about that. You know, he said, you know, you can't help people who don't want to be helped right?

[00:59:10] You can't and all the goodness in your heart. It doesn't really matter. You see somebody you want to help them now if somebody comes to you and asks you for help.  That's different, right? Okay. When you see somebody at struggling say well, how do you sleep and and and he said, you know, you really can't help somebody who doesn't want to be helped, right?

[00:59:33] So why even why even try so this past weekend Eliza, I have this new thing. There's a Texas Roadhouse close by I love their ribs. I've fallen in love with their ribs, and we get one Blue Moon beer and we split it between us. Okay, and so. The waitress came up and somehow she got on this topic that everybody in her family has diabetes and heart disease.

[00:59:58] And the old [01:00:00] me would have said well, how do you sleep what's your diet? Look like do you do you like I would if you knew me said I don't worry about it live your life. Enjoy the food that you eat and she said to me I like that advice and she walked away happy. Yeah, if I would have started grilling know how do you eat?

[01:00:20] What do you think? She would have walked away and thought this guy's a dick? Yeah like you one day she would have seen me as somebody trying to help her. She would have seen me as somebody like trying to block her ability to have fun and enjoy her life.

[01:00:32] Ronnie Milo: [01:00:32] Right? Exactly. You know, unfortunately in this Society these days you can't say that you know what?

[01:00:36] I mean? You got to just go with the flow.

[01:00:39] Carl Lanore: [01:00:39] Yeah, yeah. Yeah anyway, so it's good discussion. The website is ReNew. Life are x.com. Go there today be younger by next year. That's the goal HRT works baby. I'm living proof of it 61 years old and you know, I got my problems and I'm actually fixing them.

[01:00:57] But most of my problems have been brought on by [01:01:00] excessively intense training and not being smart about it. But I mean I see friends of mine. I was talking to a guy at the gym the other day. And he just looks so old to me and I said to him Don how old are you and he said 63 I said Don I'm 61 and I think it shocked him because he walked away a couple seconds later.

[01:01:22] It's like I'm crushing it. I look I'm going to say this not because I'm bragging because there's a lot of people out there way way way way way way stronger than me, but when I go to the gym, I'm using maximum weight and everything I can do right now and I got some problems with my left foot. So I got to be careful about squatting.

[01:01:41] I'm going to try to squat next year, but I'm building my legs up now, but I'm using maximum weights at everything I do still today and I wouldn't be able to do that if it wasn't for HRT. I don't Kid myself if it wasn't for peptides. If it wasn't for my my quality of sleep, I track my sleep. I fix my [01:02:00] sleep.

[01:02:00] I make sure my sleep is good. If it wasn't for my diet the way I eat, you know, it can be done. You don't have to get a friggin disease. You don't

[01:02:12] Ronnie Milo: [01:02:12] exactly exactly

[01:02:13] Carl Lanore: [01:02:13] and live it and even if you got a disease you'll you'll you'll turn out better. If you get on this boat with us and paddle along. Right.

[01:02:22] I'm sorry.

[01:02:23] Ronnie Milo: [01:02:23] And that's the thing too is like, you know a lot of guys at the gym. They come up to me and talk to me and they're like man. I see you, you know training pretty heavy. You know, how do I get like you I'm like, you don't understand what we do behind the seats right the diet that you know, the therapies the nutrition supplements all that stuff nicely.

[01:02:39] They don't understand it. They just didn't go to the gym throw some weights around call it a day go eat what you want and do what you want, but they don't see what we do on the back.

[01:02:47] Carl Lanore: [01:02:47] So a couple years ago, I was still like I did my last heavy leg, press session in February of two thousand eighteen right before I went for the first foot surgery and I had.

[01:02:59] 1 [01:03:00] 2 3 and 10 16 plates aside my last set I did five reps with it. You know, it felt good, but it felt heavy and I remember some guy saying to me that he used to lift. Because you know when he was younger, but now you can't because he injured himself. He says, you know, you should you should back down to you got to be careful you're getting older and I remember saying to him and I know I was a cocky ass for saying this I says, oh I I just I used to lift heavy to I said, but now I lift heavy.

[01:03:33] Yeah,

[01:03:34] Ronnie Milo: [01:03:34] exactly.

[01:03:34] Carl Lanore: [01:03:34] You know it's like I want to keep getting stronger. I absolutely do and what'll probably happen is there's going to come a point maybe when I'm in my 70s where I can't keep getting stronger, but the fact that I keep chasing getting stronger will keep me strong now. That's how you getting stronger, but it'll keep me strong and all the evidence is out there that the stronger you are the more muscle you [01:04:00] carry into your late 60s.

[01:04:01] The higher the probability that you'll have a much longer life and health span

[01:04:08] Ronnie Milo: [01:04:08] right lower mortality rate.

[01:04:10] Carl Lanore: [01:04:10] Yeah. Yeah. I mean so you know what? I'm down with this I'm going I'm going for it. I'm going to keep training as hard as I can smarter. I don't want to break. I don't want any more surgeries.

[01:04:20] I don't want to break anything else anymore, you know, definitely smarter,

[01:04:24] Ronnie Milo: [01:04:24] right? Well, we live by the Mantra Never Satisfied, right? 

[01:04:29] Carl Lanore: [01:04:29] I've with the work that you do in the gym.

[01:04:31] Ronnie Milo: [01:04:31] Yes. Yeah a little

[01:04:32] Carl Lanore: [01:04:32] yeah, I well I always want to do better next time. I always always

[01:04:35] Ronnie Milo: [01:04:35] going to the gym with an idea like I'm going to be better than last last time

[01:04:40] Carl Lanore: [01:04:40] and it doesn't have to be you know, it could be marginal could be one more rep.

[01:04:44] It could be the 17 reps you did was so much easier than the 17 you did last time, you know, it's not always chasing adding weight. Sometimes it's just how you feel doing the. Right. I started using bfr a Blood Flow Restriction. [01:05:00] Recently. I'm going to be talking about this in the upcoming months. We have a new sponsor that's coming aboard that actually has the real legit.

[01:05:06] It comes with the pump and it right I reads out and milligrams of mercury William and so you can do both arms, you know, you do your upper arms to 265 milligrams of mercury you do your upper legs to 330 to start out with and wow. You know, I've never been able to get my arms to grow. Yeah,

[01:05:28] Ronnie Milo: [01:05:28] I drink that.

[01:05:29] Would Rob

[01:05:29] Carl Lanore: [01:05:29] the other day. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like this stuff man died and I left them on after the training. I left the mom and I came into the studio and I was pumping my arms and it was my my forearms was still pumped. It was amazing. Yeah, I definitely feel that night. I took the band's off after the show.

[01:05:52] And the rest of the night my arms were pumped and then the next morning I woke up and they felt normal, but I don't want to say they got [01:06:00] bigger yet. I don't want to stop blowing smoke up people's asses. I want to do it for a couple months and see my arms have never ever ever grown no matter what kind of weight.

[01:06:08] I've handled. I just don't have the genetics with big arms. I think these bfr bands are going to change.

[01:06:14] Ronnie Milo: [01:06:14] Yeah, he's a mess around the back in the day. I haven't used it lately though, but I usually four legs like squats and extensions. The pump is out of sight.

[01:06:23] Carl Lanore: [01:06:23] I'm using them for extensions. Yes, what pump?

[01:06:25] Yeah how to cite it really is. I was thinking of putting them on and going walking in the morning.

[01:06:31] Ronnie Milo: [01:06:31] Yeah, probably, how about walking on a treadmill I think line.

[01:06:35] Carl Lanore: [01:06:35] Yeah. Right or riding a bike.

[01:06:38] Ronnie Milo: [01:06:38] Yeah riding a bike will probably hurt you.

[01:06:40] Carl Lanore: [01:06:40] I wonder if I wonder if I could use Blood Flow Restriction to make my neck bigger.

[01:06:45] Nah, I guess not, huh? You don't switch it to a rope. Put a rope around my neck it ha ha ha. No I Ronnie good spending time with you brother

[01:06:54] Ronnie Milo: [01:06:54] you my man. Appreciate you.

[01:06:56] Carl Lanore: [01:06:56] I will see everybody later. Thank you for listening and share the show. [01:07:00] Please blow up. You know, what the more we share this show.

[01:07:04] The more often we share it the more people who actually want to change can change and the impact will be less sick people in the country and we will all pay lower health insurance.

[01:07:15] Ronnie Milo: [01:07:15] It works

[01:07:15] Carl Lanore: [01:07:15] out. I see everybody later. Thanks for watching and listening.