[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] hey, Hey, welcome back to a, another episode of superhuman radio. And another episode we have the a 15 year anniversary show this Friday, don't miss it. We're going to be reminiscing and talking about things. Uh, and we are going to be acknowledging our listeners. Your show is really going to be about the listeners more than anything else, Elisa and I will be hosting it.

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[00:00:39] You know, I started doing the series of fathers and sons because I felt that, uh, men and young boys who eventually become men. Um, we have a different landscape in society today to navigate than we ever have before. And we learned to be [00:01:00] men from our fathers and there's a lot of fathers out there that put a lot of got into raising boys and want to share that information with those of you who maybe have young boys in there house now, uh, or you plan on having children someday.

[00:01:18] It's not like our parents did. They just kind of coasted through, you know, if we didn't break ourselves, if we came home for dinner and we weren't dead, they were successful, but it's a different world today. And so we're going to have our Erewhon liqour on the show shortly, who was on the show in 2015 with his move net movement.

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[00:02:49] And now without further delay, I will get my, my guest on. Let me just bear with me. And he is Erewhon liqour. How are you doing? Arwan

[00:03:01] [00:03:00] Erwan Le Corre: [00:03:01] Hey, hi everybody. How are you? I'm doing great. Thank you.

[00:03:04] Carl Lanore: [00:03:04] Welcome back. So right now, today you are in Mexico, correct?

[00:03:08] Erwan Le Corre: [00:03:08] I am. Okay. I am, um, maybe I'll turn.

[00:03:14] Carl Lanore: [00:03:14] Oh, look how beautiful that is.

[00:03:16] Oh my gosh.

[00:03:18] Erwan Le Corre: [00:03:18] Yeah. So various, um, well this is the, definitely the best, uh,

[00:03:26] the best office you could ever imagine. And, um, It's a beautiful place. Yeah. That's where we live with my wife and three kids.

[00:03:34] Carl Lanore: [00:03:34] And so, uh, so you started move net. How many years ago did you start moving now?

[00:03:41] Erwan Le Corre: [00:03:41] Officially? Uh, the, the start of, uh, of moving that as a company, that's two fuzz and nine, so we're over a decade already, but as a, um, uh, as a teaching, as a personal practice, it's been decades of it.

[00:03:55] Carl Lanore: [00:03:55] So before, yeah, we, before we get into raising boys as a discussion, [00:04:00] To explain to my audience what move that is and what your goals are.

[00:04:06] Erwan Le Corre: [00:04:06] Moving that goats moving naturally and moving in nature, it's been my, my vision fat. We, we want to be in movement in natural movement, natural movement. That's the idea of that.

[00:04:20] Um, just that. Well species. Um, if you think of, uh, let's say Wolf or wild horse or a Negro or a dolphin, no matter what the species is, they all have their own natural movement abilities that enable them to live, to survive. And even to fry in wild environments as a human species, we're no different. And I believe that the way that we should.

[00:04:48] Exercise should be fundamentally based on our own human natural movement abilities. So we're talking about not just running and walking, [00:05:00] but also balancing jumping, hanging in climbing, crawling, lifting things, carrying and fro-ing catching things. Movement and water combative movement can medic skills.

[00:05:16] So we're talking about the whole scope of again, of human movements, human movement, and skills that are going to prove not just practical that can you prove Lira potential vital in the real world on any time. And this is what I teach. This is what the, my method is about. Because when you look at the way young kids exercise, well, number one, they don't feel it's a size, right?

[00:05:46] But in fact, they do because their problem, their memory is to develop themselves physically to become capable, [00:06:00] to move in the real world. They will do it. It doesn't matter. What is their ethnicity, where they live in the world, what their parents are doing, what they believe in their social status. None of that matters.

[00:06:14] You look at all young children, they'll all move the same. They all go through the same development and then sort of development stages to ultimately become able to move naturally to be capable, to operate their body in the real world. Just like in any other species, why should be any different? Should it be any different units?

[00:06:37] That's the idea? So mammoth third is about educating and rededicating, not just kids, but grownups their own natural movement, physical capability that in most cases they've never acquired us or fully developed as children. Right. That's that move? That is about

[00:06:58] Carl Lanore: [00:06:58] that. And that's, [00:07:00] that's the curse of modernity.

[00:07:02] We are the only species that alters our environment for a w four for specific reasons. Uh, they call it creature comforts, and it's caused us to abandon a lot of natural movement. It's very fascinating. Plug your website before we go onto the discussion. Plug your website.

[00:07:20] Erwan Le Corre: [00:07:20] Sure. It's moon that.com in spells.

[00:07:24] Exactly. M O V N a T M E N a t.com. There you go. So we have, uh, workshops all around the world. It's an international. Phenomena of, of, of natural movement troll movement, trade, and community that hasn't stopped growing strong even through the, the current situation.

[00:07:45] Carl Lanore: [00:07:45] Right. So now let's talk a little bit about you, you were actually born in the United States, but raised in France, correct?

[00:07:52] Erwan Le Corre: [00:07:52] Yeah. Okay. In France, I'm actually a a hundred [00:08:00] percent of, um, Celtic origin, uh, From my Britain near lineage, I'm basically Scottish and Irish and Welsh base, but I was made to believe that I was fresh, uh, because born and raised in France. And, um, and then it's only later on, uh, when I was 38, 39 that I moved to the us.

[00:08:21] Okay. Um, I was granted a very special immigration visa called Oh one and it goes for. Literally, they say it's for extra extraordinary abilities. So that's when an individual has something really unique and really special that they believe will benefit the community, the country. Um, and in my case, it was about bringing this very unique approach and that thought to fiscal training, which is

[00:08:51] Carl Lanore: [00:08:51] interesting.

[00:08:52] Interesting. So as a young boy, who do you feel. Influenced you the most and who you [00:09:00] have become

[00:09:02] Erwan Le Corre: [00:09:02] my father, my father, because, and, and, and, uh, I must say, and unfortunately not, not for all the good reasons I wish I would be able to say my father was an extraordinary man in every way. Uh, that is actually, uh, the case.

[00:09:23] But you learn also. Thanks too. And sometimes D spite of, or because of your parents. Right. But the reason why he, um, he played such an important role in who I am today and middle. So what I'm doing today is that we lived in, um, in the far suburbs of Paris, uh, basically literally at the, it was still. On the countryside in there were woods.

[00:09:59] Just, [00:10:00] uh, explore a house, literally through the windows, a hundred yards away the forest, right? Every day, every morning I would wake up, open my window, even in the winter, breathe the fresh air that smells so good because of the forest. Right. And the forest was Healy. And with large boulders, you know, those, you know, rock climbing, rock climbing, no foam 10 blow.

[00:10:28] It's like a Mecca of rock climbing and France. Literally the landscape was similar and my dad was always taking us there. It was always sticking us on long walks in the woods. But more than that, he was pushing me and my brother to climb trees, to climb rocks, really high things that today, [00:11:00] most parents to jail for doing this just literally absurd.

[00:11:06] Actually, he did believe that this was the way make us grow strong, to be trunk or ready to learn about mental strength, to learn about, to learn about pushing one's own limits, to go beyond one's fears and the children. And so we did that all the time. Then we'll learn to do it even when he was not around.

[00:11:32] We'll learn to challenge ourselves. To not be afraid and to always climb things and jump and, and, and crawl. And, uh, we were doing with us by the way, he was most of the time leading by example and what he was telling us, it was telling us this is what I did all the time. When I was a kid. I did that all the time.

[00:11:58] Um, [00:12:00] He had a, some, maybe some form of nostalgia for the, his own childhood when he was free and feeling happy and feeling strong. And, um, he wanted to, uh, convey the same mindset and the same, uh, behaviors in his own children, his own sons.

[00:12:23] Carl Lanore: [00:12:23] What about. When, when you started to think as a young man, uh, what it takes to be a good father yourself, did you have people in your life that you thought to yourself someday when I'm a father?

[00:12:37] I want to be like that someday. When I'm a father, I want to teach my children that obviously your father contributed a great degree of your love of physical culture. And you said there were some things that you didn't say he was so great at, and that's how we learn as you point out, we learn not just who to be, but who not to be from our parents.

[00:12:57] We make choices, but, but [00:13:00] were there other people for me, there were the fathers of friends of mine that took me hunting for the first time. Were there other people that you looked at and thought when I'm a father, I'm going to be like that?

[00:13:13] Erwan Le Corre: [00:13:13] Yeah. So, uh, actually my uncle, my, my mom's. Brother. Um, my two uncles, my two uncles, because they were, they were a fit.

[00:13:23] There were really fit these guys. They train the body and they had this really, they were very, they're really handsome, man. We have lots of charisma. They were very self-confident. Um, They were exercising and they got that themselves from their own dads. So that's on the other side of the family, my grandpa who, whom I've met because he died before, uh, long before, um, I was born, but he was known for doing gymnastics and doing like handstands on [00:14:00] top of like really like super high, whatever it was.

[00:14:04] Um, Uh, industrial complexes, wherever he was working. And, uh, my grandma apparently was completely scared, but he would do it. And I believe that he probably showed that example to his own sons. So my, my, um, my uncles were these kind of man and I looked up to them, even though I did not get to see them too often and not as much as I would like.

[00:14:31] So for instance, I remember. That time where, um, I was maybe 12, 11, 12, and we were in Brittany on the beach where one of those ankles lift, uh, he was a fisherman and, um, he was always, um, spirit fish in swim, in a run in doing handstands pushups, pull ups, keeping himself. [00:15:00] How do you know, we're talking about like the, the seventies, the eighties.

[00:15:04] And, uh, once he asked me, you want to run with me, um, let's go run all the way to the end of the beach and back, it was a very long beach. Um, and I said, yeah, I was so, so happy that invited me to do something with him because when we're is, we'll look up to. You know, the people we look up to, we want to be involved in whatever the do I went.

[00:15:33] And then we came back and I was stared and he says, let's do another one. You want to do another one? I'm like, wow, well, Noah, I'm tired. So nah, but you know what he said? He didn't say it's told me something that stuck the rest of my life. He didn't lecture me. He didn't judge me. He kept smiling and he [00:16:00] just gave me the lesson, that insight, which was never even a lesson, but I just understood it as, okay, this is a teaching right there and important teaching.

[00:16:10] He told me, you know, you know, , it is that you don't want to go again. It's because when I asked you, if you wanted to go all the way, run all the way to the eighth, the beach and back, you agreed on that. And that's what you set your mind to, but if I asked you, Hey, do you want to go all the way to the end of the beach, come back and do it once a second time again.

[00:16:34] And if you had agreed on that, then you would do it because you have your mind on it. So that, yeah, it's true. I still I'm still refill dirt because he probably run kind of fast. And I, you know, I, wasn't not, especially. Train or I was young, you know, like, and it was, it was a good run already. It's not that I was, um, um, not fit [00:17:00] or not, uh, brave enough.

[00:17:02] I just, uh, He just opened my mind to that extraordinary, simple teaching, which is if you set them on something, then you, you open the door to that possibility. You can see yourself being able to do it and therefore you will do it. Yeah. I was a tremendous stitching moments later. I go in the water and I get stung.

[00:17:26] My foot gets stung, but one of those. It's like a typical, a special fish that, that grows there that you can't, and it just injects you with its Vernon and it's extremely painful. It's not harmful, but it's painful for hours. And then I, I got, I was there made me walk back to, uh, or they actually carried me on their back, uh, because I was limping half of the way.

[00:17:55] Uh, And, uh, I would make a point to not cry [00:18:00] and my uncle could notice that he said to my dad, why strong, because I know that it's wrong and it's very painful and he's trying to nudge the shock. So good job on my uncle. Good job on my dad. Um, have enough story. Please. Oh, I'm not.

[00:18:23] Carl Lanore: [00:18:23] No, no, no, no much. No, no, no.

[00:18:25] Plenty of time.

[00:18:27] Erwan Le Corre: [00:18:27] It's it's the story of basically it's, it's, it's a timeless story of fathers and father figures and male role models, because that's what we're thinking about now. And God knows how important, how beautiful, feminine role models. For men to be a good healthy man right now. I want to make sure that this underline as well, it's not about like [00:19:00] the cult of manlihood.

[00:19:02] And I mean, there are beautiful, feminine, like virtues that men should learn should be inspired by, in order to grow up to be. Bannon strong, healthy men in their mind and body as well. Anyways, the story it's a story of timeless transmission of time is values. This is evolutionary psychology. So that memory is actually.

[00:19:36] So all in my childhood that my dad reminded me or told me something that I would not, I'm not sure if I remember it exactly. Or he may me remember something, which is that I was so young. I was maybe two years old. Three years old, maybe at the, at the, at the Polis. And, uh, I was following him in the woods.

[00:19:59] He was [00:20:00] always, uh, you know, having me go in the woods, he would sometimes put me on his shoulders and round down the heels and I could feel that movement. And I could feel that. And even though you're not doing the movement yourself, you learn exactly what it is to move and to move in nature. Anyways, there was that Hill and it was muddy.

[00:20:21] You had rain. It was slippery in West steep and he climbed on top and he left me at the bottom. I couldn't tell you how high was. All I can tell you is that I tried to follow him and I couldn't and I was sliding down and I was sliding down and I was sliding down and he saw me, he looked at me, you know, like from, from the top.

[00:20:47] And he kept asking me to join him. And I tried and I told, I guess I told him, or like, I can't do it. And, um, he said, [00:21:00] yes, you can keep trying. And he could see that I kind of wanting to start complaining, maybe no crying, you know, like very, very more, but, uh, just, just pull yourself together. Keep trying. I know that I, I managed to do it.

[00:21:18] I know that I managed to do it. It wasn't easy. It was a real physical challenge, which implied that I had to really commit to just deciding that I had to do it. And then in the end he said, so you see, you could do it and you could do it alone. He told me when he told me that story, uh, I was, I was a teenager.

[00:21:44] He told me that he. Always, it kind of felt bad because it was really difficult climb for such a young kid. And he felt bad that he, he was mean enough, not come down [00:22:00] to not hold my aunt or not help me to be very cold. And to just tell me, just do it. But, but I think that he actually did the right thing because he

[00:22:11] Carl Lanore: [00:22:11] chose that's really what life

[00:22:13] Erwan Le Corre: [00:22:13] is.

[00:22:14] Carl Lanore: [00:22:14] What's that I see, because that's really how life is. Life. Life will not give you a hand and pull you up the Hill. You have to go up here on your own.

[00:22:25] Erwan Le Corre: [00:22:25] That is the, that is the, the, the, the, the truth. And it, wasn't no way, um, letting me, um, be in any kind of, uh, uh, danger. There was no danger to this. There was just an obstacle, a challenge that he wanted to.

[00:22:45] Show me that I could handle it on my own already. And this is a very precious, strong, timeless teaching, which I believe [00:23:00] I believe unfortunately, is missing in today's culture is that there is no more challenge of this kind and teaching or this kind. For most bows and girls along by the way, because it goals should learn the same as a matter of fact,

[00:23:21] Carl Lanore: [00:23:21] somewhere along, somewhere along the line, uh, somewhere along the line we have, um, perverted empathy.

[00:23:30] We've perverted it. So what I mean by that is, um, We, we, we don't, we see someone struggling, we feel bad, or let me help them. You know, charity charity comes from this we've perverted empathy because there is some struggle that must be experienced in life and will actually make you better at doing the things you need to do in life.

[00:23:57] And when you, when you know, we, [00:24:00] we talk about these parents today. That they hover around their child. Oh, I don't want them to fall. I don't want them to scrape his knee. I don't want him to have to go through the pain of falling off the monkey bars. You know, here in the United States, they've taken the monkey bars out of all the, all of the playgrounds, because they don't want anybody to fall and hurt themselves.

[00:24:20] And this is so silly. And part of the problem

[00:24:24] Erwan Le Corre: [00:24:24] is

[00:24:25] Carl Lanore: [00:24:25] the way we handle. Um, the situations with legal, you know, we want to blame somebody, my child fell and hit their chin. I have a scar on the bottom of my chin right here from falling off the monkey bars. When I was a little kid. Now, today, if that happened, the mother wants to Sue the school because the child fell off the monkey bars.

[00:24:47] But the bottom line is we have perverted empathy and we have stopped people from growing because we want to absorb. Uh, th their, their, uh, their struggles. It's not a good thing it's happening widespread today. It's not a good [00:25:00] thing.

[00:25:02] Erwan Le Corre: [00:25:02] No, it's, it's not, I, um, I noticed this, uh, difference in culture also difference in, um, in background, uh, maybe a difference in generation, whatever causes very early.

[00:25:16] When I moved to the U S um, I remember in Santa Fe, New Mexico, maybe just, uh, you know, one year after I had moved to the us. And, um, how was it that Jim and, uh, there was that, uh, that mother, we, her, our kid and her kid was maybe 12 years old. So he was not a young kid. He's like a preteen. And I'm always happy to, to show what I do.

[00:25:51] And, uh, you know, sometimes it's just coach people. I just give them tips or literally coach him just like that, like for freeze, [00:26:00] because I can see that they want it or it could benefit and I'm just there. And, uh, it's a passion to me. It's like a. It's what I do and it's my knee somehow. Anyway, so I teach that kid, some show him some movements to do, and then there was a polar bar and uh, I'm like, Hey, are you ready now to do that movement with a little of elevation?

[00:26:28] When I say a little of elevation, maybe that means his feet would be free. Feet up the crown of the floor. And I helped him grab the bar and for five seconds he was okay. Then all of a sudden I can see his face completely change. And his amygdala is completely fired up his [00:27:00] face,

[00:27:03] completely modified by fear. And he's, I can see that he's literally on the verge of having a panic attack.

[00:27:11] Carl Lanore: [00:27:11] Was he looking at his mother at the time? Just curious.

[00:27:14] Erwan Le Corre: [00:27:14] I think his mother was in a corner. Okay.

[00:27:17] Carl Lanore: [00:27:17] Baby sheep. But you know, a lot of times, a lot of times children don't know to be afraid. And then they look up their parents and they go, Oh my God, they're afraid for me.

[00:27:25] Something's going to happen to me. So I just was curious,

[00:27:28] Erwan Le Corre: [00:27:28] that's a good point card. Uh, but I don't remember him looking at anybody. Right. I remember him looking down and basically being afraid of the height. Right. Um, so obviously there are progressions to fists. Um, and I instantly, I immediately, you know, ensured him, picked him.

[00:27:50] Strongly to just say, Hey, okay. You're okay. Don't worry and everything. But that was the end of it. That was the end because the kid was emotionally upset. The mother [00:28:00] was a little emotionally upset, even though she didn't tell me anything. Um, but I personally, I was baffled, I was baffled by the, the lack of mental fortitude, uh, 12 years old to me.

[00:28:19] Is should be already an advanced age in term of physical capability. You should already be able be so strong and capable at 12 years old. If you look at my kids, what they can do, the kind of risk they take. And when people look at them, they're like, Some of them literally come up to us and be like, aye, you letting your children do this.

[00:28:41] And it's so dangerous. And this, and now I'm like, could you please just mind your own business because you have no idea what parenting is. You have no idea what my children are capable of. Just mind your own business. Thank you very much. I don't mean to be rude. I don't mean, but it just, that [00:29:00] people have no clue whatsoever.

[00:29:04] And, and often, by the way, it's people don't even have children themselves. Sometimes I'm asking them, do you? No. Okay. Just manure and business again. Um, but, but a lot of people also are just, they are very impressed in the, they just say the way your children move is just unbelievable their age. And I'm going to tell you what.

[00:29:31] I don't teach my kids how to move. I give them a permission to move and also in me and my wife, the way we move. So they understand that the way we move is normal. It's not only normal. It's desirable is what they should do. Everything is about mimicry. We learned so much as human beings through mimicry.

[00:29:58] So the question is as [00:30:00] parents, why does the example that you provide to your children? When I was five, I remember hanging myself from my bedroom window. There was a real metal rail. It was on the F uh, second, uh, how do you say like, uh, Second story. Not for level. It was lovely. It was

[00:30:27] Carl Lanore: [00:30:27] second, second floor.

[00:30:28] Second

[00:30:28] Erwan Le Corre: [00:30:28] floor. Second floor. I always get come through till after over a decade. It's been in the U S it's the second floor I would step over and hang from there

[00:30:42] body, literally in the void. So only relying on my grid strength, but also relying on my mental composure and without knowing. Let's say intellectually, without being able to explain why I was doing that, the driver remember is that I wanted to know [00:31:00] what I was made of. And I wanted to know if I was capable to stay cool or not in a situation like that and

[00:31:12] looking back, but then the future of that. So we're talking about me being 20 years old. I remember doing exactly the same at the very top of a construction crane. Exactly the same, just climbing the crane, going all the way to the top and then hanging like this. And there was a Ruby play or Ruby team playing.

[00:31:42] And one of them not as me because I stayed there hanging just as long as I could basically. And then one of them noticed me. And before you knew it, that you knew it, the whole team, the whole game stopped, and everybody was just looking up and looking at me wondering what I was doing. [00:32:00] Some people would think, well, this is risking your life.

[00:32:05] Um, or this was never to me, a dare devil thing to do. It was feeling fully alive. It was feeling capable and you feel more alive when you feel capable, you feel more self-confidence when you can do things like this. Um, some people would think that's completely useless. Actually. They have no idea what useless, useless ness is.

[00:32:34] And usefulness is. Everything has to do with your mind. Everything has to do with your psyche. Everything has to do with your spirit. That's what life is about. So I'm not setting people had to live, but don't tell me how to live. I know how to make myself strong, healthy, and happy and free. It's been, my lifestyle has been my quest and that [00:33:00] something today that I share, I'm not sending people to go hang.

[00:33:05] At a, at a height, I'm not telling people to go and take risks. I've personally done that a lot, jumping into crazy waters, um, things like that, just because I knew that I was capable of doing it and it would make me feel alive because in today's world, there's no more challenges like this. Unless if you sign up to be a like in.

[00:33:33] Uh, military or something, and then you're going to face danger. You're going to face a real threat of real lethal frets on the battlefield or your firefighter. You're going to face real real-world threats, right? You could be badly injured. You can even get killed for the sake of saving other people's lives, how novel it is.

[00:33:56] But my point is, unless you have oppressions [00:34:00] like this as a civilian. You'll never be exposed unless some bad things happen. Right. But you won't be exposed to anything that is

[00:34:13] dangerous. So you don't know danger, you don't know fear.

[00:34:18] Carl Lanore: [00:34:18] And you know that

[00:34:19] Erwan Le Corre: [00:34:19] you're always going to be stressed out, but. Based on the Watts. No, no stressed out

[00:34:25] Carl Lanore: [00:34:25] experiencing danger is a critical component of our physiology. In fact, um, I had a guy who, whose book changed, uh, was one of the things that changed my life was a book called of doves, diplomats and diabetes.

[00:34:41] A Darwinian look at health today, and it was. The book was written by, I'm going to forget his name now, but anyway, anyway, um, but in the book he shows how, um, when you take risk, your body does different things with the food you [00:35:00] eat after you experienced risk. And this is part of the evolutionary gift that we got.

[00:35:06] There are the brain actually suppresses hunger, uh, until, until it gets to the point where the hunger. Shuts down peptides made in the brain that, that suppressed the fear of risk and when the fear of risk decreases and the hunger increases, we would go out of the cave and look for food. And when you eat food, without that precursor, Process in the brain.

[00:35:36] The body is more likely to turn it into fat, but when you eat food, when that precursor has been satisfied, the body is more likely to turn it into muscle. And the reason is because it's trying to increase the potential for you to do the job. Next time. It's super compensating. It was,

[00:35:56] Erwan Le Corre: [00:35:56] it is fascinating. It is it's it's [00:36:00] it's uh, it's this.

[00:36:04] We're predators. All right. And, uh, we're predators. Um, and we survived because we acquire energy through, by ingesting the body of other living creatures. And that's it. So, and, and then we, what you described is that, that transition, uh, between the parasympathetic nervous system and the sympathetic nervous system, most of the time we want to be in this parasympathetic.

[00:36:33] Nervous system where we can rest, digest, heal, recover, and enjoy to be relaxed. All these good. Now you got to get to work. You got to get, go get your food. It's going to be challenging is going to be risky is going to be a tough, at least the way we use to procure [00:37:00] food. Yeah. Right. Look order a pizza online.

[00:37:04] It's going to get delivered to your door. Somebody knocks at the door and you keep, keep going online, doing your work on a computer while you eat your pizza. There's no danger to that. There's an effort to that. Yeah. Now it's pathetic nervous system is going to trigger. Adrenalin norepinephrine, all of those things, you know, fight flight sometimes freeze, but basically, yeah, the nervous system will trigger an hormonal response.

[00:37:41] It's all biochemistry. Uh it's it's all neurobiology. It's there. It's always been there. That's why points as much as. Hunting with a rifle is, is a great way to help really [00:38:00] naturally procure food. I've done it, but when you trigger the raffle, you kill an animal at distance, and I have to go after it with a knife or a weapon, you don't have to actually reach to the animal.

[00:38:19] Um, so you can't be a Hunter and not be a specially healthy. You can just be in your hide. Sit, drink, stupid sodas. Sorry to say that don't be judgemental, but it's just if drink, that crap goes against your health. If you eat industrial food, it goes against your health. My point is you can be unhealthy and yet you can kill those beautiful wild animals.

[00:38:44] This is not a lecture. It's great to, I support hunting. My point is, are you fit to do that? Do you need to be fit to do VAT? Do you need to really put an effort to do that? No. Maybe you've hiked [00:39:00] in the cold for miles. That's okay. That's not especially an accomplishment, honestly. Shouldn't be seen as it.

[00:39:08] You know what I like to spear fish. Cause when you spear fish, You can only spear fish. If you're actually fit means you need to be able to hold your breath to begin. You need to be able to swim. You need to be able to relax in the water. You need to really put an effort in going to go hit your fish. What spirit God.

[00:39:32] So that's why.

[00:39:34] Carl Lanore: [00:39:34] Yeah, my son, my son, spear fishes. He lives in San Diego and he has always spear fishing. He loves it. We have to take a break. Hold on today. We have to take a break before we take a break. I just want to Mark the Corso said that he's frustrated because he feels like his son has learned all his bad habits.

[00:39:50] Well, they learned the good habits too. You just haven't seen them yet. So if you feel like your, your son is learning all your bad habits, that's okay. [00:40:00] He, he will learn from all of your habits and he will also learn from your good habits. So don't, don't, don't be frustrated by that. We're going to be right back with more, stay tuned,

[00:40:11] move over superheroes. This is this superhuman channel.

[00:40:18] welcome back. We're talking with Arwan Macor. This is an episode of fathers and sons. We're going to get more into the discussion right now. So Arwan what is, what is your son? You have one son, correct? Two. Two. Okay. So what are your boys names? What are their names?

[00:40:34] Erwan Le Corre: [00:40:34] No, this guy, um, my wife is, um, she's actually a native Cherokee and so our children are feather, Eagle and sky.

[00:40:46] Carl Lanore: [00:40:46] Okay. Do you think discipline, do you think discipline is different for boys versus girls?

[00:40:53] Erwan Le Corre: [00:40:53] No. I don't think so. I treat them exactly the same. I do not believe in [00:41:00] this kind of difference because in the reason is it's not about gender it's about principles. Principles are inherently

[00:41:13] Carl Lanore: [00:41:13] genderless,

[00:41:15] Erwan Le Corre: [00:41:15] gender, gender is universal.

[00:41:18] So what I exemplify. Um, why I believe is my role as a man to convey, to show, to teach to my children, uh, applies to all three of them. And my wife is the most gorgeous, smart, wise, funny Havi women you'll ever meet her energy is so radiant. That everybody's literally always come up to her and be like, why are you so special?

[00:41:58] There's something so special about you. So [00:42:00] I'm very, very blessed to be happily married to such, such a women. Uh, but my point was she also as a woman exemplifies qualities and principles that are equally. University now because right. Strength or compassion are you calling important? Right. Resiliency or nurturing.

[00:42:35] I'm not even talking but opposites right there. I'm just talking about what we culturally, uh, typically, but even in pretty much every culture we see as qualities that are more . Man not the, and then there's a remote feminine. I believe all these qualities are universal. It means that every human being in [00:43:00] regards to their gender should acquire and display those Indies.

[00:43:09] The difference is the, in the degree, the difference in the degree. So. Um, my girl, she's 11 years old.

[00:43:23] Carl Lanore: [00:43:23] What's her name?

[00:43:25] Erwan Le Corre: [00:43:25] Feather. Okay. Wait, so we'll live in, um, at this point we mostly live in, in that little village in Mexico by the ocean. You've you've seen a glimpse of it. Um, some, there are so many reasons for why we live here, but one of them being.

[00:43:44] Day to day exposure, complete exposure to nature. They go and play a braver jump from rock to rock bowing and occurrence. Uh, climb coconut trees on the beach. Uh, go swim, go swim in a water, go into jungle, wherever. Um, [00:44:00] I think the barefoot there's no car. We don't have cars access. It's only by boat, even though it's not a line, but it's just, the topography is just too challenging for cars to come.

[00:44:12] Right. Um, and so, so back to my girl, those kids recently, they come up to me and be like, Oh, so you are, you're a pluma models, you know, plume, I mean, feather in Spanish or Plumas feather up. And I'm like, yeah. Why? Like, well, she knows how to fight. Right? Huh. There were impressed because she is just so fierce.

[00:44:43] And she's the most feminine girl, right?

[00:44:45] Carl Lanore: [00:44:45] She's

[00:44:45] Erwan Le Corre: [00:44:45] like she displays every beautiful qualities of a girl, but she can't stand her ground. And if you want to fight with her, she will fight, but she doesn't need to fight, um, in a way that's [00:45:00] mean, but she just not, she can't fight. She loves to fight. Fight is a natural to her.

[00:45:07] Right. So she's, she's equally empowered in her physicality as of being able, not only to defense off too, but also to enjoy a, a friendly fight, you know, like the way kids can fight,

[00:45:22] Carl Lanore: [00:45:22] you know, right. Housing. Yeah.

[00:45:26] Erwan Le Corre: [00:45:26] Yeah. Yeah. They will push themselves really hard, but not, they don't intend to sometimes do intend to hurt, but not.

[00:45:36] In a mean way, not to the point of causing bodily harm, you know, physical harm. That's the way they, but we see, we

[00:45:46] Carl Lanore: [00:45:46] see that we see this in the animal kingdom, right? You see the, the baby tigers fighting with each other, the baby bears fighting with each other. It's a, it's all, it's all experimental. It's learning

[00:45:57] Erwan Le Corre: [00:45:57] how to

[00:46:00] [00:45:59] Carl Lanore: [00:45:59] do this, you know?

[00:46:01] Erwan Le Corre: [00:46:01] Exactly where you are. It's an excellent point. You're making car. When you were looking at a young animals, most young animals fight, uh, love to play fighting to in some way. Um, you look at cats, you look at, uh, dogs, you know, like obviously pets are going to be a very frequent examples that we can observe.

[00:46:27] And, uh, you're never thinking to yourself, Oh, that must be males because they're the ones fighting. No, it has nothing to do with that. Right. It's because fighting is in universal ability, defending oneself is a universal ability. Um, and, uh, we it's. It's the only trainable. It's something that all kids strain naturally, you know, rough, rough housing and things like that.

[00:46:51] Um, it's normal. It's, necesarrily, it's healthy. It's not just a physical thing. It has to do with psychology. It's [00:47:00] about making your psyche stronger. My girl does that. I will never tell her, Oh, you're a girl. You should not be fighting. Or Hey guys, Hey boys, this is my girl. You cannot like try to have a fight with her because it's not fair.

[00:47:15] She's a girl. These kind of complete bullshit. No, she's a girl. She can fight just like her mom. Like, don't start a fight with her mom because she will take you down. Right. You have no idea. So look. Today's values or just completely upside down. Right. Whatever the reason is for that, it's absurd because you're not getting to change timelessness.

[00:47:43] So again, back to that idea of universal principles, there are differences in, in, in gender. Um, or there are differences in psychology or in relation to gender. Well, th those [00:48:00] differences are not, um, necessarily a partition between, okay, those are it, uh, exclusive monopoly, right? Those are exclusively masculine traits and those are exclusively feminine traits.

[00:48:17] Not all the traits that are founding predominantly, or let's say. More in women or in men are the universally human traits, the human qualities. Those are timeless principles. Now, if you are a man you tend to develop, let's say more of a, an ability to, you know, under, um, to, just to be tough, to be. You want to fight to have aggressiveness that needs to be harnessed and control to serve the purpose of goodness, obviously, because that's what, how these mental [00:49:00] spiritual health is about.

[00:49:02] But now think of it this way. Try. Okay. My wife gave birth three times, three times naturally means in the water water. No painkillers drive to have the head of a baby go through

[00:49:26] Carl Lanore: [00:49:26] the vaginal canal. I know it's it's in fact, from an evolutionary

[00:49:30] Erwan Le Corre: [00:49:30] perspective, we give birth naturally without painkillers. And now as a man, think of like how tough you are.

[00:49:40] You have no idea that women can actually. Handle pain much more than any men. So why does Steph next to you now? Why do you think you're so tough? You didn't have more muscular [00:50:00] strength. Strength,

[00:50:00] Carl Lanore: [00:50:00] right?

[00:50:02] Erwan Le Corre: [00:50:02] Okay. Yeah. There's no need to brag about it. There's no need to make your whole fuss about it. First stuff, keep developing it, maintain it, recover it.

[00:50:13] If you've lost it. Build it, if you've never ever build yourself physically, because today, so many grown up men are not physically built. So there's one way to be a grownup is just biologically like chronologic chronological. It just wait that you're 21 now. Okay. You're a grownup, right? Yeah. Not build your body, build your mind.

[00:50:37] And that'd be a real grownup. Okay. So, but once you've done that, It's not about posing an Instagram to show a muscles in your abs and your stuff. I can show my six-pack ads right now. If I wanted to it. Who cares? Who cares? It's the surface? What are you using [00:51:00] that strength for number one? You can show up with muscle, but are you physically capable in a way that actually fits the real world?

[00:51:09] Can you jump an obstacle? Can you climb over an obstacle? Could you, can, could you run for 10 miles right now? If you have to, without complaining, without stopping, just because you know how to do that, you've trained to do this things. You are ready. You are really capable. Yeah. Real preparedness. So I don't care what you look like.

[00:51:30] I don't care what your muscles look like. I don't care what you want to show off your muscles. I want to see what you could do those muscles. And I want to know so that they would be used for the purpose of goodness of goodness, not for, it's just your freaking ego. And that is me lecturing you right now.

[00:51:50] And at the same time, not even telling you what you should do because. It's your life, it's your life, right? You do whatever you want. Do you, do you, have

[00:51:59] Carl Lanore: [00:51:59] you ever [00:52:00] told him

[00:52:00] Erwan Le Corre: [00:52:00] your event, the whole picture of life is so much bigger and so beautiful and so deep.

[00:52:08] Carl Lanore: [00:52:08] Do you, do you ever have to talk to the boys about appropriate notice of using aggression?

[00:52:15] Like when it's appropriate, when it's not, it will be because of the environment that your children have been raised in, you don't even have to have that discussion.

[00:52:23] Erwan Le Corre: [00:52:23] Yeah. Well, yeah, obviously, because they fight, sometimes they fight. And so sometimes they, they hit themselves each other. Right. Sometimes they cry.

[00:52:38] Sometimes they want to be me. So I, whenever I am a witness, because I'm always, I'm awake, I'm not always around to see it. But when I am around. And if I don't know what happened, I will question then. Okay. So what happened? Why did you do that? Um, [00:53:00] I don't necessarily blame them for using physical retaliation.

[00:53:09] I inquiry, as of why. The reasons why, and what extent in what way was their physical strength or aggression aggression was used? So I may tell them, look ego. I understand why at this point you felt like hitting your brother. However, you went way to heart in relation to what your little brother did to you.

[00:53:38] Number one is your little brother is not as strong. As you, number two, he really annoyed you. You want him, there was the right thing to do. You want him three times? He didn't want it, but then you got emotional and then you did not control. You could have used your strengths differently. You didn't have to hurt him that way.

[00:53:59] So [00:54:00] now you go apologize to him for hurting him too much. And then it had his little brother. Okay. Now you apologize for bothering your brother, even though he didn't. Quietly ask you to just not stop bothering him. That's just one example. All right. Be aware around. Uh, and by the way, sometimes it's the same goes with, uh, with their sister.

[00:54:28] Right? So like it's so just always reminders. Okay. You can hit, don't hit the face. Don't hit the face. Okay. But now you can hit, don't get to actually hurt too much, but if you don't hear it a bit, won't have fun. So I want you guys to keep fighting too, because it can be fun to fight. It's just reminding them.

[00:54:53] Okay. What is proper? What is, um, [00:55:00] what is right? What is not right? What is the right level, what is too much, you know, thanks for that.

[00:55:09] Carl Lanore: [00:55:09] I want to take a quick commercial break. I want to, I want to take a quick commercial break because I've got three more questions I want to ask you that are very, very critical to the discussion.

[00:55:18] So let's do this. Let's take one quick commercial break. We'll be right back with more superhuman. Ready? Stay tuned. Superhuman channel evolution just got kicked up a notch.

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[00:56:23] And you will be immortalized in the anniversary show 15 years. And running. We're talking today with Irwin liqour, we're talking about being a father in today's environment and, you know, I love all the people that I've had on the show so far, very unique skills that led them to a very unique place in life.

[00:56:46] And everybody has very definite opinions. Uh, about raising children, no one I've interviewed so far as well. You know, I just stay out of their way and let them be kids. And everybody has very, very definite [00:57:00] opinions on, on how to raise, especially boys. Cause we're talking about boys because it's, it's, it's tough today.

[00:57:06] You know, when I was a young boy, I never had to worry about being accused of rape when I didn't rape a girl. But she just decided she felt bad the next morning about what she did tonight before, you know, today, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a very, very difficult terrain for boys to navigate. If you, if you hurt somebody in self-defense, you could go to jail.

[00:57:29] Anyway, you know, we have these terms, a toxic masculinity is nothing toxic. There's nothing innately. Bad about being a man, but today there's a lot of people out there who want us to believe that. And so that's why I think raising boys, uh, is a big deal. Um, one thing that happens to all boys, when they go through puberty, part of, um, of, uh, becoming autonomous is a lot of times they rebel.

[00:58:00] [00:58:00] Uh, against the father, because he is the he's the alpha male figure and they need to become their own alpha male. So how, how should fathers handle this when their child becomes rebellious? Usually it's, you know, 15, 16, 17 years old. Now, all of a sudden you feel like they're doing everything that you don't want them to do.

[00:58:19] And really this is part of their searching for their own autonomy. What do you think about that?

[00:58:27] Erwan Le Corre: [00:58:27] So, um, um, I'm obviously not at this stage of my own children, um, among boys, since they are six and seven. Um, and, um, I hope, I believe that I will not have to deal much with that because I already support who they are when I say who they are.

[00:58:51] I mean, what. Is that the express already as individuals. [00:59:00] So they have their own talents. They have their own colleagues already. We can see that, um, one loves to, to, to do kind of like martial arts is like, he's extraordinary. He just watches, uh, Stuff, and then replicates those kicks and those movements. And he's so good at it.

[00:59:23] And this time he loves to draw. He's an amazing drawer, uh, artists already, eh, and he has an extraordinary interest in intrigued and about the natural world, he knows so much. So that's what he goal is seven years old. He knows so much about species and everything already. Um, My point is we, um, we homeschool them.

[00:59:55] We have private tutors here, um, but most [01:00:00] importantly, they'll learn tons. Uh, this approach is experience experiential knowledge, you know, experiential education. They'll learn a lot just by playing outside. Just by playing. You have to trust that that as they play, as they grow healthy with exposure to sun exposure, to nature, healthy food, how the environments and everything, their brain and their whole health, their neurology neurobiology develops as it should.

[01:00:34] The nervous system develops as it should. Therefore, at some point there'll be able to learn anything they want. Any discipline the want and have the wits, the stamina to pursue any kind of education they want in any lifestyle they want sport giving them basics there. We're giving them the foundation. [01:01:00] I would, uh, at some point find maps, self, trying to impose on them a certain model.

[01:01:11] If. Since they're little kids, they have already understood and benefited from the amazing amounts of, um, of benefits that they can already experience that have already acquired through their childhood. Right. Right. So, Why, why would I, why would they start to fight against that? We're going to, they're going to say right.

[01:01:41] Hey dad, I don't want to be, uh, an athlete. I don't want to be like, I don't want to try and physically, okay. Listen, boy, I never forced you to do anything. Did I know you all the time on the boat, on the beach, climbing trees, swimming on the water, running, jumping [01:02:00] from rocks to rocks and doing all these movements because it felt great to you because you loved it.

[01:02:06] Why would they stop loving it?

[01:02:09] Carl Lanore: [01:02:09] Now I see you. The reality is that your role as a father has not put you in direct oppositional path in the future as the disciplinarian and the alpha male. If anything, you're you, you, you are living your life. You're not, you're not living your life as a father. You're living your life as Irwin.

[01:02:33] And they're just, they're just coming along for the ride. If they decide they want to turn left, where you don't want to turn left, then they're old enough and they're capable enough. You're going to let them do what they want to do.

[01:02:44] Erwan Le Corre: [01:02:44] That's exactly. It's interesting. Exactly. Exactly. For instance, we let them watch shows, but they cannot watch shows a whole day and maybe they're going to watch show sometimes for two hours straight.

[01:03:00] [01:03:00] Okay. Hey, you know what. They still have spent 14 hours being on their feet outside, right? Yep. Exactly. So I've watched shows like those innocent shows, like no commercials, no scary stuff. Um, et cetera, et cetera. So we prevent them from.

[01:03:29] Yeah, like toxic masculinity, masculinity, what an observed bullshit term there. I'm going to tell you what it is. They're only toxic behaviors. They're also toxic values, including believing in weakness. Now that's a toxic value. Um,

[01:03:53] We prevent them from influences that we know are toxic, [01:04:00] that includes. And some people are going to hate me for saying that, but that includes public schools. Yeah. Because of all the, and their God knows they're beautiful people. Beautiful teachers, teachers who are amazing teachers who will be remembered forever by their students for being some of the most important role models that they have ever had in their life.

[01:04:32] But nonetheless, as a whole, the culture in public school in  not only does empowering, it can just be totally toxic. Um, Television news, mainstream news outlet, just some bullshit from all of that. Right. We don't let them pull it that [01:05:00] get into our children's mind. Right. Let them be posted to that because, and when we say we that's my wife or not, because we don't believe in it.

[01:05:11] And because we know that it's unhealthy. We know that it's a lot of med belief. We just know it. Now everybody's entitled to their own opinions. That's a no brainer, needless to say. So we're all we, we expose our children to the beauty of nature, to the mysterious. Okay. Beauty of. The world, the natural world to a healthy community that knows what it is to smile a real smile, how they smell, smell from the heart.

[01:05:54] People are sick. People in Hong Kong do value. [01:06:00] Family values actually exemplify by them means that. Let's see here crying this year, always asked, Hey, are you okay? Like they give hugs to kids. That kid take care of them. The wash them, defeat them. They are really community-based here. It's a beautiful thing.

[01:06:21] There is no one solution to living a healthy life. It's. A whole ecosystem. It's a whole, you get to look at the whole picture. The big picture is the whole pictures picture. So, um, yeah, I don't see why at any point in the future, my boys would rebel.

[01:06:42] Carl Lanore: [01:06:42] Yeah, no, I get it.

[01:06:43] Erwan Le Corre: [01:06:43] Anything, especially with rebel against anything that they've been enjoying their whole childhood, that they've never been forced to agree on.

[01:06:54] They've been influenced to agree on. We've been reminded why it is important. [01:07:00] Can my kids have a candy or like a dessert? Sometimes? Yes they can. Can they have that every day or several times a day? Not at all. Alright cetera. So there are guidelines and there are rules,

[01:07:14] Carl Lanore: [01:07:14] right? Right.

[01:07:16] Erwan Le Corre: [01:07:16] Um, but if at some point, for whatever reason, they would want to.

[01:07:26] Yeah, right then they should write like the amiesh when you're an admin fish, at some point you're giving them the opportunity to be like, Hey, you want to explore, explore the world, go for it, go for it. See it works for you and your own. What happens is that most of the kids come back.

[01:07:48] Carl Lanore: [01:07:48] Yeah, but they have to, but they have, they have to come back.

[01:07:51] Erwan Le Corre: [01:07:51] They have the

[01:07:53] Carl Lanore: [01:07:53] right, you have to come back on their own terms as opposed to being forced to stay. And that's the big difference. So, um, [01:08:00] one of my big frustrations as a species,

[01:08:04] Erwan Le Corre: [01:08:04] the humans,

[01:08:06] Carl Lanore: [01:08:06] um, we have constructed things to help us, um, Let's say not fear. We humans. We want to know the answers. We want to know, you know, what happens when we die.

[01:08:22] We want to know these kinds of things, because it makes us feel in more control of our environment. And one of my biggest frustrations is my own parents never talked to me about my own death. I literally visualize my death several times a week because I've learned. You know, it's like, um, there's only one thing that we're going to be guaranteed that happens to us.

[01:08:48] We never maybe get the job. We want the wife, we want the education we want, but we're all going to die. And it's the one thing humans don't talk about. And in fact, we're so afraid to talk about it that we've created [01:09:00] religion to subvert our, uh, identification of why we fear this event so much. And it's like, if you and I were traveling across country from New York, Going West and every place we stop.

[01:09:14] And you say to me, Carl, when will we be in California? I say, no, no, Arwan, don't mention California. Don't I don't want to talk about California, even though inevitably we will end up in California someday. So we treat death this way. And so I, I'm a huge proponent of doing work in your brain about your own death, because when you accept your own mortality and when you visualize that date in the future, it actually helps you crystallize the things that are important to you.

[01:09:40] So you don't waste a lot of time and end up at the end of life going. I wish I would have. I wish I would have. I wish I would have. And that that's really the same. I want, when I die, I want people to say, yeah, he was ready to die. That's the best way to go. I've done everything. I've seen everything. I'm not afraid to go.

[01:09:58] So at what point do [01:10:00] you start to talk to your children? The feather as well? Not just the boys about their own mortality or have you done so already?

[01:10:08] Erwan Le Corre: [01:10:08] Yeah, yeah. Already. Yeah. Already, but not to again. Um, I don't have, um, programmed topics. That need to be addressed other given moment. No, it conversation naturally comes out.

[01:10:28] They usually children bring things on the table. They ask the questions they are. So you have a daddy. You too, you have a mommy, you know, you have a mother and dad. Yeah. So, but where is your father? Well he's dead or any, he died. Oh,

[01:10:49] Carl Lanore: [01:10:49] why?

[01:10:51] Erwan Le Corre: [01:10:51] Because he was old and unhealthy. Oh, I don't want to get old. Well, we all get old.

[01:10:59] You're going to get old [01:11:00] too. I'm like, yeah, I'm getting old every day. So you're going to die too. Yes. Oh, no, I don't want you. No, it's very simple. It's very simple. Um, You just, you just have to have to make it simple, um, to make them understand already about the realities of, of life, the realities of life, including the, the fact that life is finite in inherently, you will experience at some point the end of it.

[01:11:36] So and so out of that, uh, those observations. You have, uh, plenty of, uh, beautiful insights that you can share, for instance, what is the life, what it is to be alive and what matters? What is life you are having an experience. [01:12:00] Okay. What is that experience? Well, why do you want that experience to be.

[01:12:09] Well, then you think of, you want to think of what you want to have having is having an experience. Okay. I own this, I process this, this car is mine. This house is mine. His bank account is mine. Okay. Do you want to think of, or do you want to focus on what you want to do? In life. What, what is going to be a VAT experience of who you are, that experience in the here and now

[01:12:46] through what you do, what do you want to do? Or you want to play, you want to discover new places you want to share the moment with other people. Do you want to feel strong? [01:13:00] Which means that you have to do things that makes you strong, which means that you have to be challenged. You want to be good? Do you want to feel good?

[01:13:08] Do you want to be happy? It means that you want to focus not only on the circumstances that make you happy and satisfied. She want also focus the feeling that's within you. And so then you have the next level of experience, which is. Who do you choose to be? Hmm, very good. Why does an experience who used to be, what is it?

[01:13:42] What is it to be? Is it you think, or you define by your thoughts by your name or defined by your physical appearance? What you look in the mirror are defined by the money you have, the friends, you have the things you do, your job dedication you've had. Well, that's [01:14:00] your identity. Your identity defines who, how you perceived weight does not define exactly what you experienced in sight.

[01:14:11] So where are your fights? And most importantly, what are your feelings? How do you feel inside? That's your experience? That's the most important experience of your whole, it's how you feel inside you feel about. Who you are, who you, who you were, who you are, who you become, but also

[01:14:42] not just feeling about something, but just feeling what is the feeling that you want to experience most of the time. And can you experience that feeling regardless [01:15:00] of external circumstances? When Carl, you mentioned that you think about death

[01:15:08] Carl Lanore: [01:15:08] on purpose. I do it as an exercise.

[01:15:10] Erwan Le Corre: [01:15:10] Okay. Yeah, no, it's a very valuable exercise.

[01:15:16] You are considering

[01:15:21] the end of your experience.

[01:15:26] What is supposed to be the end of the experience. We don't know. Nobody knows. So Def is supposed to be the, and have the experience done lights off. As you think about that, your considerations are considerations that you experience. You may mentally think about it. It means you have. Conceptual representation of what death is.

[01:15:55] I feels like, what do you need and tells what implies what's it to be like what [01:16:00] what's after, even though you won't be there, how you should think about it now and actually how you should feel about it now. So basically what you're talking about, which thinking about, uh, what is, what your experience should be in the moment, right?

[01:16:20] How about something that's future,

[01:16:22] Carl Lanore: [01:16:22] right. And what, and what I want to do, what I want to do

[01:16:26] Erwan Le Corre: [01:16:26] in the future. Now, Carl, it's happening now. Now you feel you have the power to decide how you feel about now. How do you feel about it? Okay. Feelings can't, can't be neutral. They're either positive, other negative. If they're going to be negative, they're going to be, we're talking about depth, something important, an important perspective, but nobody it's in, they look terrible.

[01:16:56] Nobody can avoid it. It, it [01:17:00] fights about it. Negative feelings, sad, afraid, disappointed, agitated, all kind of negative feelings. None of us feelings. Well impact the outcome, right?

[01:17:21] You can just stimulate about it. That's it. At some point it can be for all of us tonight. It can be tomorrow. It could be in 20 years, it could be in 40 years, who knows it will happen. What matters is how you feel about it. So what you're doing is you're bringing what's it's in your subconscious that may create some anxiety.

[01:17:46] You're bringing it to your conscious mind to manipulate your perception of it both mentally in your mind, but in your heart, the feeling about it. And if you understand that [01:18:00] and I'm talking about everyone and me included, then you understand, you remember the power we have to alter not only your mind and your thought about a certain subject as important us.

[01:18:11] Def, because it reflects back on the importance of life. And therefore more importantly, even the fights, it's how you feel about it because you can delude yourself and saying, nah, I'm not afraid of that. I don't care. That's a mental thing. If you delve deep into your feeling, you will know exactly where you at

[01:18:39] and you're feeling. About the subject and how you truly, truly, truly, truly feel about it. So focus on that feeling without too many words, just to really imagine that it's happening now, you're dying now. Okay. You're done now feel what's happening. And if you don't like [01:19:00] the experience, because again, the experience will not modify the outcome.

[01:19:03] It will only modify the quality of your experience right now. Then, what you do is that you believe in your power to alter that experience, to attribute, feeling into something positive, which is acceptance, trust, and gratitude and love and gratitude for the fact that you are alive right now, it's not done.

[01:19:36] To the last breath, to the last heartbeat, your life, you can enjoy that moment fully. And that's the feeling trust, love, gratitude. Those are the feelings that you want to have now, no matter what, because all the rest will only diminish. [01:20:00] The quantity, the pleasantness and the reward of your experience in the now I will have nothing to do with your Def none.

[01:20:09] Carl Lanore: [01:20:09] Well, the only way that it can have something to do with your death, it's through an extrinsic effect. So when, when I first started doing this death work, I call it, it was because after I watched my father die, it became very, very obvious to me. That, Oh my God. I looked at him in that bed and he looked like me and I thought, that's me someday.

[01:20:32] And I became very depressed for about a year couldn't sleep well. And then I started to ask myself, why, what am I so afraid of? What is this thing that I'm so afraid of? And I started to imagine I would be laying in bed in the morning. I mean, getting ready for the day. And I said, okay, let me imagine I'm dying.

[01:20:51] I can't get out of bed. Someone's going to find me here dead. I I'm not going to feel anything cause I'm just going to stop breathing on my heart's going to stop. So [01:21:00] what is it that I'm really afraid of? Well, I started to identify that I felt like I had unfinished work to do, you know, before I leave the planet, there were things that I still wanted to do.

[01:21:13] And I focused on those things over the past few years and I've gotten them all in place now. So now I don't have the anxiety of, Oh, I, I should have done this, this, this, and that. Now I'm dying. It's too late. So now when I do my death work, it's very calm. It's very peaceful, right? The things that used to scare me don't because I've addressed them.

[01:21:34] And I've put them in their proper perspective. And now I don't, I don't believe in a hereafter. I don't, I just don't. Um, I feel like this is the life. Get it right. Do the best you can now. But I don't feel now when I do death work, it's like sometimes I'll be in the car and I'll be driving and I'll think, okay, what if I had a heart attack right now?

[01:21:57] Well, the first consideration is I want to pull the car over. I don't [01:22:00] want to kill anybody as I'm dying. So I would go over there in that grass, I would think, you know, and then I would just stay there and I would die. And I would remember all the love in my life and I would go peacefully. That's it? Cause I got everything else done.

[01:22:14] I'm not, I don't have any, anything that, Oh no, wait, I can't die yet. I have to finish that first. You know? So that, that's what it did for me. Everybody's experience is different with this, but I. I want more people to do death work. I want more people to think about their death now, because I don't believe you can fully live this life until you have made peace with your death.

[01:22:38] I really do.

[01:22:40] Erwan Le Corre: [01:22:40] Yeah. Uh, it is Carlos Castaneda. We said, uh, that, uh, or there was the chairman he was working with who was teaching him. To live with death constantly on your [01:23:00] shoulder. Well, that may sound like a gloomy thing. Like, Oh wow. Why would you want to do that? This is a horrible perspective. It's actually extremely Weiss.

[01:23:15] It's a timeless teaching. The reason is nobody knows when their time. The time again, the termination of their experience welcome you every day you have people. And some of them are young who learned that they have a terrible illness that will again, terminate their life and therefore terminate the experience which they call.

[01:23:52] Life in which they call me myself. Um, and it takes them by [01:24:00] surprise. And it's obviously very sad when it's, sometimes they're even children, also people who just, uh, die in oxidants. I had a brother who died in a car crash.

[01:24:14] nobody knew what would happen. He didn't know it would happen. So. The perspective to remind yourself frequently of the perspective is not about fearing. It's not about killing your joy of being alive. It's about a re uh, a reassessment of how you live and how you live your life, which is how you experienced your life right now.

[01:24:48] And not just because again, of external circumstances, such as the job you were in the people, you know, and the affairs in the world and all of that, but because [01:25:00] of how you operate your mind and heart, because

[01:25:09] Carl Lanore: [01:25:09] who

[01:25:09] Erwan Le Corre: [01:25:09] doesn't want to be a soul,

[01:25:15] I'm a soul. You're assault everybody's assault. Right? What does that mean? That means that this whole reality is a spiritual experience or less, no less. And what it is getting to magnify life in the beauty and the essential value of this spiritual experience. But the perspective that he ends at some point, nothing,

[01:25:55] nothing. So you're left with the moment [01:26:00] frame, the idea that the future is

[01:26:12] Your future, our future, a person is limited magnifies the now magnifies what it is that we're experiencing now. Like, and if you don't want to be fascinated, if you don't want to feel alive at the moment, if you don't want to wake up to the idea that you breathing is to see. That's you can look around and look at the beauty of the world of the sky and the stars in the sky and the wind and the earth and the animals and the whole community that's around you.

[01:26:52] That makes you brief. That makes you eat. That makes you have a heartbeat that makes you stay alive. It makes you have this experience [01:27:00] because it's a whole fantastic glorious. Energy transfer party there and it's magnificent and it's mysterious and it's glorious and it's all spiritual and you're part of it.

[01:27:18] What are you afraid of? Why do you put your mind in, what are your concerns?

[01:27:26] Carl Lanore: [01:27:26] I want to take all that I want to take all the last. This is our last commercial break. And I have one last, last question for you when we come back and this question completes the circle. Like the first question I asked you, this is going to complete the circle. So stay tuned. We'll be right back with more fathers and sons.

[01:27:51] welcome back

[01:27:54] Erwan Le Corre: [01:27:54] riffs. And we're ready.

[01:27:55] Carl Lanore: [01:27:55] Yeah, I know. Right? That's all.

[01:27:57] Erwan Le Corre: [01:27:57] That's uh, that's actually 15 years old.

[01:28:00] [01:28:00] Carl Lanore: [01:28:00] Um, Oh, this is a, this is a very, very good friend of mine from when I was a young little boy Luciana. Uh, she says she loves this conversation. Thank you so much for being here today, by the way. Um, so excuse me, my final question, which kind of creates closure for us because I asked you early on about who influenced you and your own dad.

[01:28:24] And you had nice, wonderful things to say about him as an example for your life. So when you're gone, what, how do you want it says your boys, but your children let's include feather. What do you, how do you want them to finish this sentence? My dad was,

[01:28:43] Erwan Le Corre: [01:28:43] my mother was a great man.

[01:28:48] And here's why.

[01:28:52] They will know two of them know the meaning [01:29:00] of great man.

[01:29:04] only, they will know what they mean when they say great, man, my dad was a great father.

[01:29:16] We have local friend here. She's she's an amazing woman. Her name is Breesa. She doesn't, it need to wait for her dad. Who's a soul now to die too. Or he say that my dad is a great man. He's a great father. He's he known beyond this village? No. Has he, uh, accomplished things that we. Normally would say, well, that makes you a great man.

[01:29:51] No, but she knows why she's a great man. Our family [01:30:00] knows why he's a great man, because he's a great father because he has wisdom. He has love, this is a great grandfather is highly respected by everybody in the village. Why, why would people respect you? Because you've had. Consistent a consistent behavior, consistent expression of values and virtues and behaviors that gain respect from people.

[01:30:27] So

[01:30:31] I am doing my best to be the best person I can. Do you have the best experience I may experience to address? My personal shortcomings because nobody's perfect. Judy, better, always to work on bettering myself, whatever you call that self-actualization. So doing my best to be a good man,

[01:31:03] [01:31:00] helpful man, a reliable man wise, man, as much as I can be healthy, man. And for whatever those qualities that I aspire to, that I hope I have at least to some extent, acquired to translate to me also as which translate to my fatherhood, do much of a fact that I'm a father so that my children will say my, that was a great man, a great father.

[01:31:37] It means the same to me. Because if there were to say it was a great man, it was not so great further then. Okay. You're not a great man. Right,

[01:31:47] Carl Lanore: [01:31:47] right.

[01:31:47] Erwan Le Corre: [01:31:47] You're not a great man. I'm sorry. You had children number one priority. So you may have neglected your children so that you could achieve wealth. [01:32:00] Success. Got the wealth and the success.

[01:32:09] Of a man who is a father, is to have an amazing relationship with their children, they're boys or girls, because you brought them to the world and it is your responsibility to do everything. You can not just to do an okay job, but to do the best job. And I know it can be challenging. I know there are, there's always a balance to be met between having to work responsibilities, what you want to do for yourself as a person doesn't mean that you have to sacrifice absolutely everything to just always being there for your kids.

[01:32:51] But you have to be very, you have to be present. You have to show it how the example, again, children learn so much not through what [01:33:00] you say, but for what you show. Be that example, whatever you want them to be. You've got to show that example, but also what you want them to be may not be exactly what they will be.

[01:33:16] And you have to also accept that in any case, work on yourself. If you work on yourself, you improve yourself, practice your understanding, practice your behaviors, self examine. And reassess and readjust and improve at every level you possibly can. So that means that he can be lazy. You can't be neglectful,

[01:33:45] have to be on it. You, again, you brought those young lives, those new lives and young spirits to this world have to support that you have to.

[01:34:02] [01:34:00] You have to celebrate it, have to magnify it. Have to have to be there. Have to be on it. Okay.

[01:34:10] Carl Lanore: [01:34:10] Yeah. Yup. Very good. Very good.

[01:34:13] Erwan Le Corre: [01:34:13] I hope that my children will recognize one day that despite the mistake that we all bounce to, no matter how great you are. You will make mistakes, but that, despite those, you did your best to be the best father you could possibly can.

[01:34:36] Carl Lanore: [01:34:36] I hope they find this interview. Really. I hope someday where you and I are both gone. This interview will still be on the internet and they'll find it. And they'll be able to watch you say those words. That's what I hope.

[01:34:52] Erwan Le Corre: [01:34:52] Well, if they do. Feathery going sky. I love you more than words can say [01:35:00] you are my heart.

[01:35:01] You're my everything. And I hope and belief fatten right now after I'm gone, you're having the most fantastic life that the human being that a soul could ever expect to have the most. Beautiful healthy and meaningful experience. Aerates the human being in a you can, how do we call the world and that we call

[01:35:35] Carl Lanore: [01:35:35] life.

[01:35:36] That's beautiful. I hope they find you, man. Erewhon thank you for being here. We have to not wait five years next time. Okay. Good. Seeing you take care of

[01:35:47] Erwan Le Corre: [01:35:47] in person.

[01:35:48] Carl Lanore: [01:35:48] Yes. Yeah. I would love to come down there.

[01:35:50] Erwan Le Corre: [01:35:50] It looks beautiful. Thank you.

[01:35:54] Carl Lanore: [01:35:54] Thank you. All right. We're going to call this a, the end of the show. Uh, tomorrow is Tuesday.

[01:35:59] We [01:36:00] have the blueprint power hour. We have a show every day, this week. Don't forget. On Friday, is the anniversary show. Tell your friends, tell your loved ones come be part of it live. And we will see everybody with the more superhuman radio, uh, tomorrow. Stay strong. [01:37:00] .