[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] Hey, welcome back to another episode of super human radio. Today is every other Thursday. That's an odd thing to say, isn't it? Tell you, is every other Thursday? No, it's Thursday, but in my calendar, it's every other Thursday, which means today we have the, uh, renew life RX show with a guy I really liked spending time with.

[00:00:16] We have so much in common, except he's the better looking version of me. Uh, that's Adam Lamb. But, uh, and we were just talking guns off the air and motorcycles and fast cars and, and how, you know, when you love those kinds of things, when you play with them, they just make you smile. You can't help it cause I got to ride my motorcycle to work today.

[00:00:35] Finally stopped raining long enough. I buy a motorcycle, literally rained every day since I bought the bike today. This, the gods were, were were happy with me. So anyway, before we get started with the today show, which is going to be about testosterone, it's a really interesting show about testosterone.

[00:00:50] Testosterone has been blamed for a lot of things. Uh, it's been blamed for stuff like, uh, aggressiveness and so on. Uh, [00:01:00] and there is some value to testosterone as it helps you handle stress better. But there have been conflicting studies and we may figure, have figured out why. There's a conflicting studies.

[00:01:11] Uh, but before we do that, we have to, of course, pay homage. Hold on a second. I'm, I'm having trouble with my two legendary foods. Our title sponsor, legendary really puts a lot of money behind this show. And I've been saying for a long time that if this show has helped you in any way, shape, or form, you must patronize the sponsors because they make it possible.

[00:01:33] This is a free show. We work on the terrestrial model. We have advertisers that make the show possible, and then we bring you good content. We hope we bring you good content. I think. We bring you good content, and if you feel that way, then the way to reward us is to, whenever possible, patronize our sponsors and legendary foods is one of those.

[00:01:53] So was renewed life RX. Right now you can get get any of Legendary's products for 10% [00:02:00] off a few. The code SHR 10 go to eat legendary.com check out the tasty pastry, which is a pop tart pop chart, 2.0 with nine grams of protein, less than one gram of sugar. It doesn't get much better than that. And of course their nut butters are unbelievable.

[00:02:14] You won't believe that they don't have any added sugar in them. You won't. And then they're seasoned nuts, seasoned Naaman's out of this world. You see, I, if I open them up and I just am going to have a handful, I end up eating the whole bag all the time cause they're that darn delicious. So check them out.

[00:02:27] Go to eat legendary.com today and show them some love. And of course, let me, uh. Put that banner down and of course, play, uh, Adam's theme song. The first step to changing your life starts with the renew life show with Adam Lamb.

[00:02:51] How are you doing? I'm good.

[00:02:58] Adam Lamb: [00:02:58] My face to

[00:02:59] Carl Lanore: [00:02:59] the jingle right. [00:03:00] I'm the same way. When my theme song plays, I look at them, I look at my face in the cause I've got a camera and I start smiling at myself and I feel like a train. A train chimpanzee. That's funny. How are you?

[00:03:14] Adam Lamb: [00:03:14] And I'm well, thank you. How are you?

[00:03:15] Carl Lanore: [00:03:15] Good. Good. Covert free. Yeah, right on.

[00:03:19] That's good. I have to worry about that. Um, everybody's probably wondering like, why do I have a picture of somebody's hand in. An ice bath. And that's because in a clinical setting, this is called a cold pressor test. And a cold pressor test is a way to establish your ability to handle stress. And the science has been using this test for a very, very long time.

[00:03:48] And, uh, there's been a lot of discussion about the effects of testosterone. On mood, uh, aggression, but more so about [00:04:00] the ability to handle stress. And in that area, the handling stress research has been conflicting. They've shown that if you have high testosterone levels, you don't handle stress well. And if you have high testosterone levels, you do handle stress well.

[00:04:20] And that has been a real problem. Because the science is supposed to be re reproducible, right? The rigors of science say, if we can reproduce this, then we could say, we understand that, let's move on. But when it comes to stress, it's been confusing. Right.

[00:04:37] Adam Lamb: [00:04:37] And I think that, you know, with, with any study, you know, and one of our partners, Dr.

[00:04:41] Lopez, who I was actually gonna talk to you about offline to come on a show recently. He, you know, he does a lot of clinical trials, especially in the supplement space, but. You know, when he's doing a clinical trial, he's explained that he, there's an outcome he wants, right? And so depending on the outcome you're looking for, [00:05:00] you can get that outcome.

[00:05:01] And so that's where, like with the data we do with, you know, with the thousands of people we've helped and we have these conversations about, and it's, I love this topic today because it was something I really talked about yesterday and I was explaining that, you know, a lot of people get into the testosterone.

[00:05:18] No area for the physical benefits. And as you go through life usually, or at least I'd say you should, the priorities change and you see the psychological side that the cognitive side of the testosterone. As well, right? More like when I was in my twenties I wasn't taking my late twenties. They don't get bodybuilding stuff.

[00:05:40] I wasn't worried about cognitive function, managing stress. I just want to get big and strong. Right? But you know, I'm 40 now and I by no means do I think I'm old. But as we get older, my priorities changed. Yeah, I want to stay fit, but I want to be able to manage my thoughts better. I want to be able to manage decisions better.

[00:05:58] I want to be able to manage, [00:06:00] uh, just

[00:06:01] Carl Lanore: [00:06:01] how I react

[00:06:02] Adam Lamb: [00:06:02] to things. Better, right? And we see that so much with, I would say, majority of our patients with renew life, our conversations are around the psychological side

[00:06:16] Carl Lanore: [00:06:16] because that's where, that's where symptoms generally live. I mean, you know. Tender nipples from high estrogen.

[00:06:21] That's, that's physical, right? You can feel that, but most of the symptoms that people have that drive them to consider HRT are how they feel. It's all about feels. It's like I don't feel good. I don't have a sense of wellbeing. That's a feeling. I feel depressed. I feel weary. I feel sad. I feel anxiety. I mean, I'm doing air quotes here for the people who are watching around every one of these words.

[00:06:45] But when we talk about the manifestation of many symptoms, probably I'd say a good 70 to 80% of the symptoms are felt that were realized by your brain and S, and w. And when we talk about testosterone, we're [00:07:00] talking about a very, very powerful neural endocrine hormone. You know that, that actually I just had a conversation with somebody this morning via text message.

[00:07:12] Most children who develop psychosis, they develop it at the onset of puberty. This is, uh, anxiety disorder, eating disorders, um, uh, ADHD, bipolar disorders, schizophrenia, very well known. Schizophrenia doesn't start until. Until a child thought to go through puberty, and that's because. Estrogen, testosterone, DHA, DHT.

[00:07:44] These are the most powerful neuro steroids in your body. They change your brain, they change the way it works. And so when we start to talk about. Uh, brain function. You cannot, and this is what baffles me about doctors who treat, [00:08:00] let's say, young people with eating disorders. They don't, they don't even look at hormonal assays.

[00:08:06] They don't even look and see like that is not even in their wheelhouse of consideration. They'll put a child on a bunch of what? What's that?

[00:08:14] Adam Lamb: [00:08:14] Especially for women?

[00:08:16] Carl Lanore: [00:08:16] Yes.

[00:08:17] Adam Lamb: [00:08:17] Especially for what.

[00:08:21] To have it looked at in a, in a general setting for females, and a lot of times that it's everything. You know what I mean? I couldn't tell you how many women we see, their testosterone literally doesn't measure. It's so low and they have their, they're depressed and all these other issues and everyone wants to give them something for, we say, hold on, let's try this.

[00:08:46] 30 days later, it's the best day

[00:08:48] Carl Lanore: [00:08:48] in her life and that and that. And that's, that's the most common statement a woman says when she starts to embark on menopause and someone has the common sense to [00:09:00] bring her to Stastrom levels, either by Frank injections of testosterone or supplementation or, or, uh, da TA, which has a high conversion rate.

[00:09:10] Testosterone, the first thing they say is, I feel amazing. Yeah. Yeah. It's not a male hormone. It's a female hormone too. Yeah.

[00:09:18] Adam Lamb: [00:09:18] Well, it's, it's, it's a, it's a hormone, right? So like we could do the gender thing. It's a hormone, and that hormone is responsible for a lot of things. And we're like this conversation today about the psychological side, that hormones are responsible for confidence.

[00:09:34] That's hormones responsible for your, your ability to believe you

[00:09:39] Carl Lanore: [00:09:39] can't.

[00:09:40] Adam Lamb: [00:09:40] Right? You, you literally like when you think of that. Dominant. Like you look at the old school back in the day, warriors, heroes get like they're filled with testosterone. There's that level of testosterone. Their body is converting over to who they are and who they believe they can be and what they believe they can [00:10:00] do.

[00:10:00] And it also helps, I think that so many times with decision making, that's something that we have a conversation about that people don't pay attention to you, but we ask them, how are you with decision making now? And they're like. Well, I sent the answer better. I'm more confident in the path I go. Right.

[00:10:14] And

[00:10:15] Carl Lanore: [00:10:15] there was a study, there was a study done probably about 15 years ago that made me think that every police officer should be tested for testosterone levels. And here's why. Reaction time. You would think that higher testosterone levels have higher reaction time. Fast reaction. I know. In fact, you're more likely to overreact to the wrong stimulus if your testosterone is low.

[00:10:40] And when you think about that old saying, the most dangerous animals in the forest or the old ones because they are like ready to kill anything cause they're so. Freaked out every second of the day. They just don't have the mojo anymore to walk and strut and be calm. And I lived this when I went [00:11:00] through my divorce, I was being assaulted on a regular basis.

[00:11:05] Uh, and I, and I used that word specifically. Nobody was hitting me, police officers knocking on my door, you know, all this nonsense that was going on. And I, I was taken to grab the test a week at that time, and I was so chill. I was just like, I would not have been able to handle what was going on and have the common sense to say I'm going to pick up and move to Arizona.

[00:11:26] Like I would, I would have been freaked out all the time.

[00:11:29] Adam Lamb: [00:11:29] I always use this analogy with folks. Explain to, cause I think you brought up a point where, you know, I could say, Hey, car, get a new hat, right? Let's say you're not passing the office and if your testosterone

[00:11:39] Carl Lanore: [00:11:39] is low.

[00:11:40] Adam Lamb: [00:11:40] You might think, Oh man, I shouldn't wear this hat.

[00:11:43] I was, I should've never bought it. Antibiotics and stupid. But if your testosterone is hiring, but

[00:11:48] Carl Lanore: [00:11:48] yeah, I knew

[00:11:49] Adam Lamb: [00:11:49] I should have bought this hat. Everyone thought it was cool.

[00:11:51] Carl Lanore: [00:11:51] And then I, and it's silly,

[00:11:54] Adam Lamb: [00:11:54] but anyone that has been on and off testosterone knows this is fact. And seeing what,

[00:12:00] [00:12:00] Carl Lanore: [00:12:00] especially

[00:12:00] Adam Lamb: [00:12:00] again with women, the competence a woman has with her testosterone testosterone's optimal.

[00:12:07] And we just hear all the time, like, like the stuff just rolls off their shoulder. They're not as bothered. Right. And with men, same thing too. It's like there's guys, we talk to that something like that, you know, some guy not going, turning, you know, moving forward to the green light could just piss him off for three hours.

[00:12:25] Right. And when they're on to stuff, so they're like, eh, whatever.

[00:12:29] Carl Lanore: [00:12:29] Right. Jeff? So Jeff Clifton says every officer he works with when they get tested for testosterone, they are always. Low, especially night shift workers. Yes, absolutely. But see, this puts them and the public at great risk because they're more likely to make a bad decision.

[00:12:45] This is one of those areas where, um. Uh, professional sports has ruined medicine because if I wanted to go to the local PD, a captain and say, look, you'll have a better police force if you just get them tested. And guys who [00:13:00] alone need to be supplemented. And he would say, no, uh, because of, uh. You know, w will be scrutinized.

[00:13:06] And then if they do do something, it's going to be like roid rage. And it's just nonsense. In fact, they would be more, there'll be more chill to handle things better. They'll have to make better decisions about it. So now, and here's an interesting hint, and so this study, this study actually helps us better understand this was a multicentric.

[00:13:25] A study that was performed at four different locations, two of them and Slovakia, one in Austria, and, um, and, and, uh, one in Vienna. And what they set out to do was to compare, uh, the different responses to stress. One. Like you're by yourself and you're experiencing the stress all by yourself and the other.

[00:13:48] You're experiencing the same exact stress, but now there are people involved. They witnessing what you're doing. They thought, let's see what happens. So what they did to the subjects, they were men, [00:14:00] 120 men, I believe it was. They put them into this cold presser in a room. They, they, they most likely laid them on a, on a, on a bed, and they put one hand, they submerge one hand up to the wrist in a bath of ice water.

[00:14:14] And this immediately makes. Blood pressure rise in most people, and the longer your hands in there, you start to feel like, Oh man, I could feel my hands on. I heard a little bit now, now it's getting numb. I'm freaking out. And you start to get freaked out, and obviously cortisol goes up. Uh, all stress responses go up, blood pressure increases, uh, and heart rate increases and so on.

[00:14:38] So we know that administering testosterone on top of. These tests has a different outcome. So what they did was they administered testosterone and they brought their testosterone up, or they didn't. And what they found out was when they increased testosterone, when they will by [00:15:00] themselves. Yeah. Blood pressure response, increased cortisol production increased, the whole stress experience increased.

[00:15:09] But here's the fascinating part. When they did the same exact thing, but this time they were observed by other people or person, their blood pressure response did not go up. It actually decreased. Which means that testosterone modulates stress based on whether or not it's. Socially anxiety type stuff, social anxiety type stuff, or if you're by yourself, if you're by yourself and you don't care who sees you freaking out, you're going to respond appropriately.

[00:15:45] But if you're in a room full of people and like you're in pain, you're going to be chill about it because the outward perception becomes the most important thing at that time. Because remember from an evolutionary perspective, [00:16:00] showing pain could get you eaten. Yeah. You know what I mean? Get you killed really quick.

[00:16:06] Adam Lamb: [00:16:06] What will good points there too. And here's something to add there. Think about what that is. That if I'm a testosterone dominant, I'm optimized with testosterone. There's this sense of I need to manage a stressful situation better for those around me that might, you know, like a ship sink in or some, some kind of, you know, like handling situations and with a clear head.

[00:16:32] And, and I think the presence of somebody can also make you think of that, right? Where you're by yourself. You're like, ah, or someone, but maybe you're, you're with your wife, but also in your, like, I got this right. Because you know that I have that, that, that testosterone optimization is clicking the world to be, to be strong and control the situation.

[00:16:53] Um, I think that the second side of that too is that. Just having that increased [00:17:00] testosterone and the difference between the two, meaning that. In that situation. Like you said, you can keep yourself together more, but it reminds us the practice being chill and stress and like the him off situation, you know, like getting in the ice bath and those kinds of things.

[00:17:16] And I've done that with, uh, you know, my sauna. I remember Joe Joe Rogan, he talks about his last five minutes in the sauna, like everything in his brains tops get out, right? And, and so we manage through those times of stress too. Whether it's hormone you're on or off hormones. It helps you manage stress everywhere, you know?

[00:17:35] And so that's something, I think when you're by yourself, like you said, you don't care what anyone thinks, but you should still care about how you manage it. And I think it helps us be stronger at all. Stressful.

[00:17:45] Carl Lanore: [00:17:45] I've been doing contrast hot and cold sauna with cold showers for over a decade long since I've been training really.

[00:17:54] And, and you know, I haven't trained now. In 64 days thanks to governor Bashir. [00:18:00] What's that? I got in

[00:18:03] Adam Lamb: [00:18:03] birthday your Texas.

[00:18:04] Carl Lanore: [00:18:04] I've lost a lot of muscle. I mean, don't, don't get me wrong. It'll come right back. I know it will, but one of the things I miss the most is sitting in that sauna until it's painful and then jumping in an ice cold shower and gasping for air and then doing it again the second time.

[00:18:20] It's not as bad the first time it's killer. The second time. It's like no big deal. I

[00:18:25] Adam Lamb: [00:18:25] find that when I go from hot to cold and then back to hot, that that second hat is like really hot. The cold isn't as bad, but I do it in the winter time here in Texas. I'll just hop on my, I'll go. My son, I bought one because I love sewing.

[00:18:37] I do it every single morning, 30 minutes. It's inferenced on a, it's like my favorite part of my day and then I would go and hop in the pool. You know, sometimes if someone's home, I was worried. Well, I just, you know, I get out of there and he went, I go take a shower and start a cold. But if I have to go back and forth that second hot is like too much.

[00:18:57] I started getting, I turned it into a was.

[00:18:59] Carl Lanore: [00:18:59] Yeah. [00:19:00] Now I do it. So you want to answer this question?

[00:19:03] Adam Lamb: [00:19:03] Speaking of cold water, can you guys discuss it? I expect cold shower, uh, freezing tests.

[00:19:09] Carl Lanore: [00:19:09] What does it raise? Test is no data on it. Oh, no,

[00:19:15] Adam Lamb: [00:19:15] I've never, no, I've never seen that. I think that it, it, it's definitely has odd health benefits to doing it.

[00:19:22] Uh, anytime you can stress the body, uh, in a safe way, you're gonna make your body better. You know, our, our, we, we often forget. And you know, here's a great example too, of this, is that hand in the hot or cold, right? So that's creating a stress environment. What do you think a 50 pound dumbbell does. Right.

[00:19:41] So it's a similar thing and so it, but for us in this game, you know, like a lot of us, the listeners and stuff that you're

[00:19:48] Carl Lanore: [00:19:48] learning, learning how to manage pain and stress, right? When you look, when I squatted heavy, I squatted heavy. I mean, I squatted heavy for most people in the United States and the weight on my back.

[00:20:00] [00:20:00] As soon as I would get it off, take it off the pins in the, in the squat rack, like a billion thoughts would be going through my head. Am I going to blow a fuck? Excuse me, I'm sorry. I've got to bleep that out. Am I going to blow a disc? You know, am I going to be, am I going to get caught in the hole and look like a goof balls?

[00:20:14] I dropped 700 pounds on the floor behind me. Like, like all that and control and learning to control the noise in your head is part of becoming a strong individual.

[00:20:26] Adam Lamb: [00:20:26] And it sounds silly. I haven't learned it from yoga. There's a lot of that yoga where I went into yoga and I was just surrounded by like, girl, I wanted to look.

[00:20:33] I didn't want to be the guy that couldn't do what the little skinny girl could do next to me. And like, yeah, I did get deep into my wanting to not give up type situation. But that's the same with the weight training and what we find is. The practice of stressing yourself and getting through it makes you stronger, like mentally and physically.

[00:20:54] You obviously your body adapts, so you've lit literally to get stronger. You literally [00:21:00] do. The more you have more stamina and things of that nature, uh, so I think it's good and testosterone just improves that path, right?

[00:21:08] Carl Lanore: [00:21:08] Make you more, make you more malleable. It makes you more confident. And so the hormetic effect CA CA uh, I was wondering what he was laughing about.

[00:21:17] He said, ha ha, miss listening to the show. Happy to be back. Was it because I almost cursed Darcy? Was that what you think is funny? I caught myself, but yeah. Um, so w getting back to this study at hand, um, one of the things that they found out was. The effects of testosterone and stress depend on whether or not it's in a social context or not.

[00:21:41] Now, this is pretty cool stuff when you think about it. It means when you use test, if you test levels of high, you can still be a girly man when you're by yourself in the shower, but like when somebody else is watching you, you're going to be a rough and ready dude. That's really what they learned here.

[00:21:57] It makes me

[00:21:58] Adam Lamb: [00:21:58] wonder from a [00:22:00] conversation to how we are like shelter in place right now, right. I want, it makes me think of if panic is increased because I'm at home in front of my TV going, Oh my God, Oh my God. Oh my God. Well, you know, as opposed to at the office where it's on the monitor and there's eight of us looking at it like it's overrated.

[00:22:21] You know what I mean? Because socially we may be stronger.

[00:22:26] Carl Lanore: [00:22:26] Know. Now from an evolutionary perspective, that makes perfect sense, right? We always say there's power in numbers and it isn't just a one plus one equals two type of phenomenon where there's power in numbers. We know that. So absolutely social, uh, social fabric makes a difference and clearly testosterone responds to that social fabric.

[00:22:50] The summarize of this particular. Paper said, our results are also in line with research showing that testosterone decreases social anxiety and [00:23:00] suggests it may help to modulate the effects of stress in socially challenging situations.

[00:23:06] Adam Lamb: [00:23:06] I have something for everybody.

[00:23:08] Carl Lanore: [00:23:08] Go, go.

[00:23:10] Adam Lamb: [00:23:10] Remove alcohol. Right? It's your life.

[00:23:14] Give it 90 days, see what happens. And I promise massive change in all of that. You know, when you think of the

[00:23:23] Carl Lanore: [00:23:23] w

[00:23:23] Adam Lamb: [00:23:23] how we usually take care of social anxiety cocktail, right? And we know that alcohol lowers Stastrom and increases estrogen, causes increased anxiety, all kinds of other things. And w, and I say this because I've seen, and I

[00:23:38] Carl Lanore: [00:23:38] regularly speak to a group

[00:23:39] Adam Lamb: [00:23:39] of guys that helping men remove alcohol and get on, get their hormones optimized, and that.

[00:23:46] What we see in their lives is nuts. I mean it's, it's off the charts, next level, new life and it helps them come off alcohol. But I say it not for people that have a drinking problem, but for people. I know that right now we don't have social anxiety issues, any [00:24:00] of these like anxiety cause we want to go social, but to consider trying hormone therapy and navigating through those social situations without that comfy cocktail.

[00:24:12] And I just, I know from experience I've seen. Well, 200 guys go through stuff like that and have tremendous success.

[00:24:21] Carl Lanore: [00:24:21] There was a, there was a doctor in New York that I had on my show probably 12 years ago. I just remember his first name was Joel. I'm sorry, I can't remember his last name. It'll probably come to me during a commercial break, but that's exactly what he did.

[00:24:33] He, he took drug addicts, I mean, opioid heroin, methamphetamine. They went through a program. Of detoxification, but it was in concert with. Uh, getting their hormones balanced. You know, looking at their low, they all had low testosterone, giving them testosterone 200 milligrams a week, looking at DTA, looking at pregnenolone, progesterone and getting their hormones optimized.

[00:24:59] And [00:25:00] so instead of just sending them into a program to get off of their substance of choice, they were sent into a program to get off their substance of choice at the same time, while they will put on HRT and his success rate. Was not just amazing, but the recidivism rate was like 10% like 10% cause usually like guys who, who abused heroin, who abused math, they, they just go through series of going into a program and getting clean and abusing again going.

[00:25:35] And like his recidivism rate was, was was 10% like out of every hundred guys that went through the program, 10 of them ended up going back and getting on drugs because. They didn't need the drugs anymore because let's face it, look, I was a drug abuser when I was a kid and I probably didn't grow up in the best environment.

[00:25:54] My, my household definitely wasn't leave it to Beaver world. Right. And I felt a lot of stress [00:26:00] growing up. There was fear, there was anguish, there was, you know, as a young child, you manifest those, but you swallow them down. You forget about them, but they are there. And so when I was old enough, well, when I first learned about alcohol, I started drinking at a very young age and then it was pot, and then it was other drugs and it just went from there.

[00:26:20] But let's be honest, we call those recreational, but that wasn't really recreation like baseball or golf, that was self-medication. I was able to deep disconnect from that scared feeling person inside me when I was blown out of my mind. I mean, I didn't even,

[00:26:40] Adam Lamb: [00:26:40] what happens is when you, you know, I grew up probably pretty similar situation, just like not a Beaver Cleaver household.

[00:26:46] And then what happens is, the great thing about drugs and alcohol is it takes away a lot of that feeling. It's the feeling. It's still there, but it numbs it so you can deal with it. And so I almost believe that [00:27:00] young people, and that's part of why I'm so passionate. I work with young people, but working with.

[00:27:05] Like young students, they don't know what, they just suppressed all that. They just deal with all this, whether it's an abusive household or whatever it is. And then all of a sudden they end up trying some sort of drug or alcohol and they're like, Holy cow, I don't feel this burden that I've been carrying.

[00:27:23] And then it's, that's what they just reached for it. That's the unwind, that's the, you know, and, and it's unfortunate because we don't spend as much time. Helping to manage stress and finding better outlets, sports and things like that. Um, for, for young people, which you're right the whole time, they're just like,

[00:27:39] Carl Lanore: [00:27:39] I wish this could all go away.

[00:27:42] Adam Lamb: [00:27:42] And

[00:27:42] Carl Lanore: [00:27:42] it does. That does like a minute later, they're like King Kong. They like, Oh, I like this feeling. And so when you meet alcoholics and you meet drug abuses, when you look at them, see a little child whimpering inside them because deep down inside that's what they are. They're afraid and they get disconnected from their fear and they get [00:28:00] disconnected from the anxiety by literally getting their brain blown to smithereens on drugs or alcohol, whatever.

[00:28:05] There you get them, you get their heart. And keep in mind. I was an obese kid. At 12 years old. I was touching 220 pounds, and so, you know, I lived in a neighborhood where it was quasi unsafe to be out. Uh, I stayed home a lot. I, I, my father said we're going to have to buy a cow because I drank like a half gallon of milk a day on top of everything else I ate.

[00:28:30] And I'm sure that I was like a pool of estrogen because I had so much aromatase going on. So I probably suffered through that. And then when I lost all the weight, we moved to Queens, I started playing handball and one summer, all the weight comes off. But the drug abuse continued. It didn't, it didn't. I didn't go, I feel better now I'm going to stop doing drugs.

[00:28:51] Yeah.

[00:28:51] Adam Lamb: [00:28:51] You know, there's always that, that, you know, there's, especially during this like Kobe thing, I've joked with my wife, like there isn't a day that goes by that I wouldn't love to have [00:29:00] a double scotch or something to like, cause I know that edge, it knocks off kind of feeling. But I also know that it's fake and I know that it.

[00:29:08] It just keeps stacking up as long as you, unless you actually deal with it. And so that was the most powerful thing I noticed when I quit drinking it. It'll actually be before years here in a few months. But, um, was that ability to solve problems and then you, you remove, you add that too, and then you put testosterone there too.

[00:29:28] And dude, it's like next level. You know what I mean? You're, you're, you're a race car compared to most people. And, uh, it's, it's sad, but you see it when you look out there and you see kind of that same circle of friends kind of doing the same circle of things and you're able to see so much more outside of that because, you know, from removing alcohol and, and just shifting your focus.

[00:29:50] And I think testosterone really can help guys because a lot of the reason men cope, the forties, late later eight, you know, forties or, uh, alcohol [00:30:00] issues is just helps them kind of cope with. Stress

[00:30:03] Carl Lanore: [00:30:03] and not feel and not feeling good anymore. They just don't feel good,

[00:30:06] Adam Lamb: [00:30:06] not feeling right. So I don't, I don't feel like having sex with my wife.

[00:30:11] I don't feel like hanging out with my kids. I didn't like, I just, ah, I don't want to do it, you know? And, but you know what a couple of drinks makes me forget about that, that feeling. The reality is we pull the drinks out, add the testosterone, and now they're more engaged in life.

[00:30:26] Carl Lanore: [00:30:26] W we have to take a break.

[00:30:27] I want to answer Jeff Clifton's question on the other side. It's a good question and it's something I actually want to get deep into a discussion, so we're going to take one quick commercial break. When we come back, we'll be discussing more about testosterone. You're listening to the renew life AREC show.

[00:30:42] You can find your answers by going to renew life rx.com and getting signed up. We will be right back with more superhuman radio. Stay tuned. Don't hate us because we feel that

[00:31:05] [00:31:00] I want to pop this question up. Um, when we were going into the break, first of all, Dylan Nutro is gonna get in trouble cause he's at work and he's watching SHR but, Hey, what better reason to get in trouble for, I mean, come on, come on. Um. So there is some science behind a red light therapy exposure to the gonads and it increasing testosterone production.

[00:31:30] But you gotta understand testosterone production is a multifactorial process, right? The hypothalamus, the pituitary, um, the testicles, they are all players. And if one doesn't work, then testosterone doesn't get produced. So. If you've had a, let's say, a, a, an androgen, uh, um, what's the, what's it called? An antigen provocation test where they inject you with a [00:32:00] long acting or I go out of Tropin releasing hormone and you produce testosterone.

[00:32:04] It means your testicles are working, but something in the brain, the hypothalamus or the pituitary are not doing their job. Uh, and then they can do things to actually, cause. Uh, the goats. So the gonadotropin releasing hormone causes the pituitary to release, uh, luteinizing hormone, which then is supposed to stimulate the Leydig cells to produce testosterone.

[00:32:25] They can test each link of that. Now, if they, if they see a rise in routinizing hormone, but they don't see any production of testosterone, then we think, Oh, it's the gonads that are in trouble. And then red light therapy may be something that could help. But if. If your testosterone is low because a, you've got a lot of body fat and you're siphoning a lot of it off to estrogen B.

[00:32:51] Um, you had a concussion one time and your pituitary is messed up now, or your hypothalamus, which is the thermostat of the hormonal [00:33:00] system. Then shining red light on your testicles isn't gonna do anything for you. So you

[00:33:06] Adam Lamb: [00:33:06] bring a great point because a lot of times, I mean, I can send over. Are total testosterone value.

[00:33:12] That's it. And they're like, Hey, my testosterone is low. Can you help in any one that starts prescribing to stop sort of somebody because they just looked at stuff, somebody, well, it's terrible because it not. You know where we're at today, we've discovered there's a million reasons why you're just stops from, could be low.

[00:33:30] But what you just laid out is super important is that it could be up here, it could be down here, and. Based on

[00:33:37] Carl Lanore: [00:33:37] oral or it could be over here, like, like if you have a lot of body fat and you're producing a lot of after dial,

[00:33:43] Adam Lamb: [00:33:43] but trying to find out when you go to stimulate with another drug, maybe like using HCG or clomiphene or something like that.

[00:33:50] If, if this is stimulated, but it's the gonad is they're not doing their job, then you're not, it's not going to work for you. Right. There's going to be some other issues and you're either wasting [00:34:00] wasting money and not feeling good or, or just, you know. You defined other modalities and we used to spend a lot more time figuring out the why.

[00:34:09] Right behind it. We figured out pretty fast way to, you know, there's, there's a few buckets, right? We look at your BMI, we can look at these other things and see where the malfunction might be. And then just realizing some of it is just age or, you know, crazy thing. We had a guy, military guy, and he was always the comms guy and the like.

[00:34:28] I think the cons, radiation or something like that just

[00:34:31] Carl Lanore: [00:34:31] wiped out. Do you know, do you know when I started talking about RF on this show, a guy reached out to me who listens to the show, who is a, um, a radio shop guy. Like I used to be back in the day when I was in my twenties I owned a, I own the mobile telephone and paging company and he said.

[00:34:47] It's a, it's a, it's a running like kind of, cause I joke that all the technicians in the RF business, they only have girls, none of them have boys. And that's because RF destroys sperm motility and [00:35:00] its ability to swim. And we know that the fast swimmers that make the boys, so it's like if we

[00:35:06] Adam Lamb: [00:35:06] see, you know, with us, we pay attention that we have a lot of folks that.

[00:35:11] Uh, children, while they're on hormone therapy, a lot of people think you can't, but, which is crazy. But in most of the guys, I'd just ask them, have boys, and we've had guys that get pregnant when they're off and they ended up having girls. I mean, we've seen it. It's not like any kind of science other than like, you know, we've seen it three or four dozen times and it stands pretty true.

[00:35:32] Carl Lanore: [00:35:32] And why is that? So here's why that is okay. Because when, when a fetus is formed in the mother's womb. The genitalia is, is differentiated in the first trimester. Sexual preference in the brain is created in the third trimester. So what ends up happening is if the, if the mother has higher testosterone levels in that first [00:36:00] trimester.

[00:36:01] And, and there's an easy way to make sure the mom has higher testosterone levels in the first trimester. And by by coincidence, it has to do with the father having high testosterone. But the higher the DHT, then you end up with a penis. The lower the DAC, you end up with a vagina. So if you want to try this, if you're listening to my show and you're like.

[00:36:24] Your wife gets pregnant, have a lot of sex in that first trimester and and ejaculate in her. Putting that testosterone in that area is going to cause a higher degree of conversion to DHT and a higher probability that you will have a baby boy try it and prove me wrong. So

[00:36:43] Adam Lamb: [00:36:43] you know, for a woman to stay healthy, stay fit, stay working out.

[00:36:47] If they're doing that, that also. It is a good, uh, correlation with that in most, I think of a lot of the women, I know that, that lived that lifestyle. They got a lot of boys.

[00:36:59] Carl Lanore: [00:36:59] Well, and, and [00:37:00] again, it's like we don't know if had just having sex more, right? Like, they, like maybe they could be just like, still, they still have desire for their husband.

[00:37:07] They're still the husbands, you know, if they're, if they're, if they are having a lot of sex in that first trimester, I'll bet you. I'll bet you lunch that they have got to have a boy, because that's once the DHT levels go up. Testicles drop. That's it. Yep. So Jeff Clifton has another really good question.

[00:37:26] Is there a correlation between thyroid function and testosterone? Just got to put on some, a small amount of T4 due to TSH being too high a test is around 450 nanograms, which isn't horrible, but it's not great.

[00:37:42] Adam Lamb: [00:37:42] That's well, but it's just like, well, we would first say in this situation, especially like four 50, uh, is in what, what is his TSH?

[00:37:50] What, what, what was the, how low,

[00:37:52] Carl Lanore: [00:37:52] what is it? Is it up by five? Is it, Oh no, he said it was low. If it's

[00:37:57] Adam Lamb: [00:37:57] low, it must be like sub [00:38:00] 0.4 or under these like hyperthyroid. And, but for us, just like, and we, you and I have talked about it before is optimizing your testosterone, right? Like. You're putting him at 900 is probably potentially be a great place.

[00:38:17] Carl Lanore: [00:38:17] So it's high. It's a high

[00:38:19] Adam Lamb: [00:38:19] higher.

[00:38:21] Carl Lanore: [00:38:21] Yeah, because in other words, the foot is on the gas pedal. Full tilt, but he's not producing enough.

[00:38:27] Adam Lamb: [00:38:27] It's obviously many orbits highlight that. It means that the conversions that happen,

[00:38:30] Carl Lanore: [00:38:30] it

[00:38:32] Adam Lamb: [00:38:32] seems wrong. It actually seems like two, three is the likely the issue, because when we share our Hashimoto's forms.

[00:38:38] There. I mean, I've seen GSA up 12th, you know what I mean? Just eight up there. Uh. And usually that situation requires a tier three intervention. Not a T for cause,

[00:38:50] Carl Lanore: [00:38:50] but I'd say I would opt for, I would opt for a, a, a, an Armour thyroid or some porcine thyroid does that other one in nature. Throid cause you get the T four and T [00:39:00] three together.

[00:39:03] Adam Lamb: [00:39:03] That's 65 milligrams. That's a good, yeah. I think is

[00:39:08] Carl Lanore: [00:39:08] a mistake. I don't think, I've never seen anybody prescribed T4 by itself. Just for the record, Jeff. But here. So let me let, so let's connect some dots here. Men who are hypo thyroid have low testosterone. Now you may say, well, it's the testosterone doing it.

[00:39:25] Maybe, maybe not. But men who are given. A high dose of of thyroid hormone and become hyperthyroid, become hyper gonadal. So there's a link, there's a different re reciprocal relationship between thyroid and testosterone. So there's a lot of people say, well, res re fix the thyroid. That testosterone get better.

[00:39:49] And other people say, fix the testosterone and the thyroid get better. Either one of those is probably true. But if your TSH is seven. Then your body wants a [00:40:00] lot more thyroid hormone than it's getting right now. And I would say now, I'm not a specialist at all. Right. But I would say. If you fix your thyroid, I think your testosterone is going to get fixed on its own.

[00:40:12] That's just my bet. Now, how do you fix your thyroid? There's lots of ways to do that. One of them, believe it or not, is eight CJ HCG. You say, Carl, I thought that was for testosterone. Well, ACG also mimics TSH. Women who were given 20,000 units. Of HCG intramuscularly for, uh, for fertility. They become hyperthyroid for about a week.

[00:40:40] So taking HCG can actually help you raise thyroid function.

[00:40:46] Adam Lamb: [00:40:46] That's interesting. I'll have to look into that just from our data and just to see where that correlation is. What's going on. What we do is. From a data standpoint is we can like look at these things and just run the numbers and [00:41:00] see everybody that's had some sort of edit HCG where their TSH go to.

[00:41:06] Like that's all that stuff we can look into to see how

[00:41:10] Carl Lanore: [00:41:10] I, Anthony Roberts came on my show in 2006 and we talked about this study that showed that women who were given bolus doses of HCG for fertility all became spontaneously hyperthyroid. And it's because there are some components of ATG that look like TSH to the body

[00:41:31] Adam Lamb: [00:41:31] diet, which is nothing we've ever been done is somewhat in line with that.

[00:41:35] If you have a higher thyroid function,

[00:41:37] Carl Lanore: [00:41:37] you're going to burn more calories. Yeah, and well, actually there is a theory that that's part of it because if you eat sub 600 calories a day. Your metabolism is going to slow down, which means your thyroid is going to slow down. And by taking the HCG, you fool the thyroid because even though your pituitary isn't producing thyroid stimulating hormone, your, [00:42:00] your, you're taking an outside source of TSH, Technicolor.

[00:42:05] So, so HCG could help. But here's, here's something more important. I would challenge you to start taking. L tyrasine a five to 750 milligrams twice a day. Make sure there's no added B6 in it. If you go to GNC and buy the GNC brand that's got B6 in it, we are. We are. We take way too much B6 today and it's can reaching toxic levels in our population.

[00:42:31] So get L-tyrosine, get it at bulk supplements or someplace like that. Take 507 50 milligrams twice a day. Get a good iodine supplement. That has all the forms. Iodine and iodide is like four. There's a, there's a, there's, uh, some of them out there that they come scored with a cross. So you could break it into quarters and you could take a reasonable dose every single day where you're getting all the iodine and iodide you need and eat one to two Brazil [00:43:00] nuts a day when you put, so the thing that turns T for entity three.

[00:43:07] And remember T3 is the feedback loop for TSH when there's not enough T3 that it tells the thyroid, the thyroid tells the brain, put your foot on the gas pedal cause we don't have any gas. Once T3 start to come up, thyroid stimulating hormone starts to normalize in order for T four to convert to T3. It depends on something called the Celeno enzyme cascade, and that is comprised of three things.

[00:43:36] L tyrasine iodine, selenium, so used, I know people that have called me on this show and I've tried all sorts of stuff and they're hyperthyroid. And I say, just eat one or two Brazil nuts a day. Take 750 milligrams twice a day of of L-tyrosine and get a good iodine supplement. And literally like two weeks later they got, I feel great.

[00:43:56] Why didn't my doctor tell me this? Because your doctor doesn't know.

[00:44:00] [00:44:00] Adam Lamb: [00:44:00] But that's great advice because you know, we also, from a clinic standpoint, we believe that. Thyroid medication is the most overly prescribing abuse hormone drug in the country, hands down, because that is often people put, don't always need it, you know, in some cases they do.

[00:44:16] In some cases, they don't like your approach. That's, that's a great approach to try. Unfortunately, inherently, people are somewhat lazy and they want the one pill that's going to fix it all and you know, these other things may be

[00:44:30] Carl Lanore: [00:44:30] challenged. So he said, he said he tested low in iodine and trying to find the sweet spot.

[00:44:34] So let me teach you what I learned 20 years ago about iodine. This is amazing. What's

[00:44:40] Adam Lamb: [00:44:40] the one I need Jake for? Radiation.

[00:44:43] Carl Lanore: [00:44:43] Uh, Lou goals. Uh, Lou goals solution.

[00:44:47] Adam Lamb: [00:44:47] I want to learn about that.

[00:44:48] Carl Lanore: [00:44:48] So, so you can buy Lou gold, L. U. G. O. L. D. S. I think it's spelled Lou gold solution, which is an iodine solution. Or you could do this.

[00:44:56] Go to this store to the wall, Walgreens and buy a [00:45:00] bottle of tincture. Tincture of iodine.

[00:45:05] Excuse me. How to clear my throat. Let me clear my throat. No, no, no. So you know the stuff that your mother puts on you when you get a little scrape, the iodine paint a one inch patch on your skin somewhere where clothing will not wear it off. When it completely disappears, paint another one and keep doing that.

[00:45:25] When you finally do it and it doesn't disappear after a few days, you've reached your sweet spot of iodine. Your body will uptake iodine from your skin until it doesn't need anymore. Try that and see if that helps. Uh, Aiden Ray says yes. Hence why the HCG diet helps fat loss because it does stimulate thyroid hormone production.

[00:45:50] Uh, let's see here. I've, OSU says I've tried L tyrasine 400 milligrams a day to make thyroid smaller, but it kills my libido and erection testosterone around [00:46:00] 1100 nanograms. All my thyroid labs are within range. So why are you, why are you trying to, I'm not understand, which I had done tests. Was that blood or topical?

[00:46:11] Um, you're, I guess he's asking Jeff Clifton what kind of iodine test he had. Jeff, maybe you can jump in here and answer that too, but L tyrasine a will stimulate dopamine, and obviously if you want to make your thyroid smaller, I think you really do need to focus on iodine because the lack of iodine is what causes hyperplasia that leads to goiter in the thyroid to make the thyroid nodule smaller.

[00:46:44] I think that's Lou Gold's a solution. You want Ivo look, look up. Look for Lou gold solution,

[00:46:52] Adam Lamb: [00:46:52] like potassium iodine or something like one of those like emergency pack. Yes. There's that new killer.

[00:46:58] Carl Lanore: [00:46:58] Yes. Yes. [00:47:00] It actually, it's not so much the type. It's usually for potassium iodide, potassium, iodine, and there's two others.

[00:47:10] But it's the dose. It's like 20 milligrams. It's a big Whopper. It's set, completely saturates the thyroid, but it also has hurt people by taking that

[00:47:20] Adam Lamb: [00:47:20] ask, what's the downside? Is it just too much of a dose?

[00:47:26] Carl Lanore: [00:47:26] So let's talk about the nodule that you have for a second. Is it in the thyroid and parathyroid? You need to find that out first, because if it's in the parathyroid, then you may want to make sure.

[00:47:40] Mmm. So the parathyroid is where calcitonin and, um, calcitriol are produced to increase bone mineral uptake. And if it's not in the parathyroid, if it's the general thyroid, then it's going to be iodine related. If it's in the parathyroid. [00:48:00] Yeah, I think it's probably more vitamin D related. It also could be estrogen related.

[00:48:05] If your estrogen levels get too low, I think the parathyroid will suffer. It's in the thyroid. He's saying, okay, yeah, so then it's iodine. Look into Lou gold solution. Or even just try painting a PA one inch patch of iodine with tincture of iodine on your skin and letting it disappear on its own. See how long it takes.

[00:48:25] Um. If it disappears quickly, then that means you're deficient. They say in iodine. I learned that 20 years ago and I, I've used it before.

[00:48:34] Adam Lamb: [00:48:34] I want to

[00:48:35] Carl Lanore: [00:48:35] try it. I know, right? All this stuff is like old stuff. You know? There's so much good information lost just because no one ever told anybody else. Like, I've used these things.

[00:48:47] I had thyroid problems 20 years ago. And I just started painting. I started taking L tyrasine every single day. I started eating Brazil nuts one or two a day and I painted a iodine on my arm and like in two weeks [00:49:00] I felt amazing. And even taking thyroid hormone is not effective if you don't have enough iodine.

[00:49:07] And if you don't have enough L tyrasine and if you don't have enough selenium, that doesn't work.

[00:49:13] Adam Lamb: [00:49:13] I agree. I agree.

[00:49:16] Carl Lanore: [00:49:16] We have to take a break. All right. We're going to take one quick commercial break and when we come back, we'll wrap up this discussion later in the show. I got a question from Christopher Price about vitamin D and, uh, I'm going to answer it so you may want to stick around for the top of the hour.

[00:49:33] Stay tuned. We'll be right back. This is the superhuman channel where we use oxygen for the power of doing. Welcome back. The discussion continues.

[00:49:52] Jeff wants to know, I think from a Aiden Ray wants to know from Jeff. You mentioned [00:50:00] free levels were okay, but what is that a free T three or free T four that's a good, important. A good point. Because it was free. T three levels were okay, but then again, I don't like the word. Okay. You know, when people say, well, I just had my blood work done and my doc said, everything's okay.

[00:50:16] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:50:18] Adam Lamb: [00:50:18] Okay. What's a good answer for bloodwork? Correct. Optimal is the word that we'd love.

[00:50:22] Carl Lanore: [00:50:22] Well, you know what it is. You know, now that we know that Medicat medicine is individual, like is it okay for you individually? That's what really counts. Right? And that's,

[00:50:33] Adam Lamb: [00:50:33] and you also can't chase side because in going back and forth on bullseye, you can, you can cause a lot of disruption if you can get pretty good at it.

[00:50:44] And at the end of the day, it's the outcome of the patient, right? If they're like, man, I feel great body fat stopping off, I've got the energy when then that's where we want it to be. And I think it's important to have a balance of those two. [00:51:00] But without any feedback from the individual just going out, blood works

[00:51:04] Carl Lanore: [00:51:04] well and that, and the doctors, doctors say, you know, doctor say you're fine.

[00:51:08] Your your your levels. Okay. I have a friend whose blood sugar is close to 125 milligrams a leader and his doctor said, no, you're fine. No, he's at the door of prediabetes. He's going to be diabetic. And a couple of clicks. That was

[00:51:24] Adam Lamb: [00:51:24] an insulin

[00:51:25] Carl Lanore: [00:51:25] sensitivity issue there. I mean, that's like people. You ever see one Rose, um, funny videos, somebody backing into a parking spot and some good Samaritan.

[00:51:37] But a devious one goes, come on, you could come on, you're good. Come on, you're good. And then all of a sudden the guy crashes, bang. And he goes, okay, stop. It's like, no, that's not guiding somebody. That's not good. Like that's medicine. That's medicine. That's how medicine works. You were

[00:51:56] Adam Lamb: [00:51:56] not correct? Like when when things go bad, that's,

[00:52:00] [00:52:00] Carl Lanore: [00:52:00] no, no, no, no.

[00:52:02] Adam Lamb: [00:52:02] I want to never go there. I want to stay great.

[00:52:05] Carl Lanore: [00:52:05] Oh, I

[00:52:05] Adam Lamb: [00:52:05] stay healthy. Honestly, Viber, and that's the mentality of our group.

[00:52:12] Carl Lanore: [00:52:12] I like nature. Throid I had the, uh, the girl who invented and owned the company of nature Throid on my show probably, uh, 10 years ago, nine years ago. The big problem with nature Throid is that their standards are so strict that they run out all the time.

[00:52:29] It's hard for them, you know, Armour thyroid. So, you know. When you use porcine thyroid, you're using the thyroid of a living animal and from animal to animal, there could be deviations in how functional their thyroid is. Yeah. So if you're, if your batch of of thyroid hormone came from a pig that had suboptimal thyroid, thyroid production, you're getting something that may be only half as effective as the batch you got last time with nature Throid not only do they test for T four and T [00:53:00] three but you know, there's also a T one.

[00:53:04] A T to a T five a T six and a T seven there are seven different identified thyroid hormones produced by the thyroid, but we only care about T three and T four because we think those are the only ones we should worry about. Well, if nature gave us seven, there's a reason for it right. And all of them are in nature.

[00:53:29] Throid they're not all in AMR, and in fact there's evidence that some of them are literally in the purification process washed out.

[00:53:40] Adam Lamb: [00:53:40] The nature is what I use. That's what most, most of our folks use in nature. Thyroid, you write the availability sometimes. I know, I remember last year it was like an absolute drought of thyroid medication.

[00:53:52] And so you have to try to find some sort of alternative for these folks. And there was a lot of people not feeling good because they actually had the [00:54:00] right medication, the right dose, the proper thing, and you switched that. It should be a pretty, pretty big deal for clubs.

[00:54:08] Carl Lanore: [00:54:08] I wonder if red light therapy would be good for thyroid thyroid hormone.

[00:54:12] They go back to a Jeff Clifton question,

[00:54:16] Adam Lamb: [00:54:16] I would think.

[00:54:17] Carl Lanore: [00:54:17] I wonder. So here's his, I can't wait. I got the pool open, I'm on the motorcycle. I'm going to go out and get a pair of Levi's overall space so I can drive around shirtless. Um, sun. Get sun. Don't worry about skin cancer. If your diet is clean, you're not going to get skin cancer, get sun.

[00:54:37] All these things that are in red light therapy units and all these things and all these different light therapy units and different wavelengths. They're all in the sun. Just get in the sun. Your thyroid will be healthy. Everything will be healthy. You get out there. I ask the Lisa, we have, we have, um. Uh, panels around the pool area where, where she and I lay, I take my draws off and I lay out there [00:55:00] naked because that's evolution.

[00:55:04] Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I mean, I'm very dark skin, so I'm not worried about burning anything, but just get the sun, lay out in the sun, get your thyroid under the sun. Those rays penetrate through the skin deep into that thyroid. It will make you healthy. I've OSU, I believe he lives in home. In a tropical climate and I got to believe that he gets out in the sun a lot.

[00:55:24] I wonder, I hope he's still listening live cause I'd like to know if he gets in the sun a lot. I

[00:55:31] Adam Lamb: [00:55:31] noticed with this whole, you know, shut down and the gyms being closed. I started riding my bike seven to 12 miles every day and I love it. Hey. Yeah, I was, I used to race me a Mexican kid, so like that joy, like we were talking about earlier off the air or you get from a motorcyclist.

[00:55:46] I'm like, I just like riding around on my bike. I love that. For years. And, but out here in the sun, I don't put in any kind of sunscreen. And I just kind of pop my shirt off if, if it's, you know, it's like 90 degrees here in Texas. And [00:56:00] so, and I've noticed I feel better and I feel like my skin looks healthier.

[00:56:05] And you know, my wife just said the other day, she was like, you look younger than you did six months ago.

[00:56:11] Carl Lanore: [00:56:11] So do you ride your bike to work and stuff or do you ride a bike? A stationary bike? No

[00:56:16] Adam Lamb: [00:56:16] outside, I don't ride it to work like it's, it's a word I don't even like, right. If I do, I don't even bring like family with them like 12, 13 miles an hour ripping around.

[00:56:25] You know, it's an exercise thing for me. Heart rate, about one 50 to one 60 swept and under that I'm working that it's a workout for me. Um. I could ride like literally a quarter mile. Yeah,

[00:56:41] Carl Lanore: [00:56:41] I should, sir. I was in the best shape of my life when I walked to the gym, trained and walked home. When the judge took my car away in the divorce, I was in the best shape of my life cause I was living in Arizona.

[00:56:52] I was walking to and from the gym and the sun on top of it. So I've O says he's out in the sun all the time,

[00:57:00] [00:57:00] five to six hours a day. That's awesome. That's awesome. I wish I could say that. I really do. I'd love to build a studio with like a retractable roof or a glass roof where I could actually do the show. I did the show. Uh, so I went to visit somebody in port of Bayada in 2008 and I did my show to two episodes from the beach and PV, and it was the greatest experience I do in the show.

[00:57:28] From there.

[00:57:31] Adam Lamb: [00:57:31] Carla,

[00:57:32] Carl Lanore: [00:57:32] I was wa I was watching a girl that, you know, they have the, uh, they have these boots on by the, by the, by the water, you know, with the, with the white sheets hanging and blowing in the wind and they give massages. And I was watching her go get a massage while I was doing, doing the show. I was like, man, this is, I can't, I'm going to go down there and a couple of minutes after the show's over and get a massage.

[00:57:52] Yeah, it was cool. A renewed life. RX is the place to go. If you want more information, you can save 20% [00:58:00] off. Believe it or not, if you use the code SHR uh, off of your blood work, if you want to get started, reach out, go to renew life rx.com uh, contact them through the website and they'll get you started. It doesn't hurt to ask.

[00:58:15] There's no charge to ask questions.

[00:58:17] Adam Lamb: [00:58:17] Yeah, we'd love to have the conversation because at the end of the day, we, we don't want to work with anyone if it's not going to help them, you know, if it's not right for them. For

[00:58:26] Carl Lanore: [00:58:26] sure. No, no, but it's, but it's one of those things where it's almost always right for people because it really does make a big difference to your life.

[00:58:34] I mean, I've been on HRT since 2007 now. Yeah. You gotta

[00:58:38] Adam Lamb: [00:58:38] trust your gut. It tells you, you know, we were a lot of, most of our clients are pretty in tune with their body and what they're eating, and the responses are getting under their guts. Like. Something else is out there. You're probably right, your guts probably right.

[00:58:51] Let's get the blood work done. It might be testosterone and we can provide some really great guidance and manage that one.

[00:58:59] Carl Lanore: [00:58:59] And [00:59:00] also do me a favor and share the show. Share the show. We need more people to hear. If you believe that the things we talk about on this show help you then help the people you care about by sharing the show and let them learn.

[00:59:14] You know, it's really a funny phenomenon. I'll do a show. And I'll say to somebody like a friend of mine, man, today's show is great with Adam Lamb. Yeah. What did you talk about? I'm like, go listen to the show. Like I'm not going to repeat everything. I, first of all, I can't do a good job because this show is organic.

[00:59:34] Anybody who knows me knows there is no scripting in what we do, and so it's like, how do I even recount everything? We talked about it in an hour. I'm like, go listen to the show. You know? Oh, it's like, what's so wrong with going in? Listen to this. Just go listen to the damn show. That's it. So share the show and help us all out and help people out.

[00:59:53] Because remember, the more people we make healthy, the less you pay for healthcare. So indirectly you're helping yourself. [01:00:00] I'm being selfish. I Adam, great to spend time with your brother. Talk soon. Okay. I will get to tell you, we're going to take a quick commercial break and when we come back, I have a question from Christopher Price about vitamin D, and for those of you who have been emailing me lately.

[01:00:14] I can't believe how many people keep emailing me about primal di. It's coming back, but I'm gonna wait until after the summer because you should be getting your vitamin D from the sun in the summer. Stay tuned. We'll be right back with one. This is the superhuman channel where brawn and brains finally meet.

[01:00:34] Welcome back. So the weather let up. It's literally been raining every day since I got my motorcycle. Today was the first day that there's no rain in the forecast. So I got to ride the bike to work today and I love it. I forgot how much I love riding motorcycles. When I was in my late teens and early twenties I didn't own a car.

[01:00:52] All I had was a motorcycle. My girlfriend Tracy had a car and. That's the car we used when we went out, and the rest of the time we were on my [01:01:00] bike and I, I love riding. I really don't. Anyway, so, uh, Christopher Price, who listens to the show a lot, he messaged me the other day. He says, how much, well, here's his actual question.

[01:01:09] Hold on. He says, what is the safest amount of three one can take orally, daily. Can D three be taken intravenously? And if so, since you bypass the digestive track, does that lessen the chance of harming the kidneys? So this is, this is a multi part question. First of all, the safest amount of dethrone you should take is.

[01:01:35] The amount that you take that gets you into your desired sweet spot, your individual sweet spot. When you test your D three levels, D three is real. It works. It's a hormone. It's not, I don't know, pick something that doesn't have any harmful side effects. Deeply can harm you if you have too much. I mean, if you took too long, too much of a dose of dethrone for too long, it literally [01:02:00] starts to burst hepatic cells in your liver.

[01:02:04] Because the liver tries to store as much as it can and it's like a glutton that the cells can actually start to burst. It's toxic. It can kill you. We found this out by, uh, the NUS discovered that if you want them to eat polar bear liver, you had to strip the casing off of it quick. The casing had so much vitamin D and vitamin a in it, that they, they became toxic just from eating that and died.

[01:02:29] So vitamin D is not something you should be Willy nilly about. Well, my friend told me to take 10,000. I'll use a day. Well, first of all, genetically, your friend may not be harmed by that, but you may so. You can go to. Every city has a lab test place where you can walk in and get blood work done in town here in Louisville, it's any lab tests now.

[01:02:49] I liked them. The girl, Maria knows me. I go in there, I get stuff tested all the time. Some people like to buy wine, some people like to buy shirts. I like to get blood work done. I'm weird that [01:03:00] way. So how do you know that your individual 25 hydroxy levels are. Where they need to be your sweet spot. Some people will say, Oh, 89 grams is where you want to be, or 60 to 80 over a hundred Oh, you know, the medical community says anything under 32 is is bad.

[01:03:22] So anything over 32 is good. So the reality is that, and I learned this from dr Chris, master John, and it's a really, really important point. Physicians don't check this when you reach your. Level of . That's the right level for you. Remember, we were talking about parathyroid a little while ago with Ivo. Sue about is nodule parathyroid hormone calcitonin mostly most notably drops off when you have adequate levels of 25 hydroxy in your blood.

[01:03:57] The thyroid goes, Oh, the bones are going to be taken care of. I [01:04:00] don't need to stimulate. The reabsorption of calcium into the bones and it stops producing calcitonin. So while most doctors don't know this, or they know, but don't care if you really want to find your individual sweet spot, you should test 25 hydroxy and parathyroid hormone and then supplement and go back and see where your 25 hydroxy goes and your parathyroid hormone should start to come down.

[01:04:29] And then. Even up some more for a couple weeks, a couple, maybe a month or so. You know, too much D for a month isn't going to kill you, but up at and go, and when you see that 25 hydroxy level rises, but thyroid, parathyroid hormone doesn't continue to drop. Now you're just wasting your time. You're not, you can back down.

[01:04:56] To the dose that got you where the parathyroid hormone was the lowest [01:05:00] and the 25 hydroxy was the highest, and that is your individual Ivo SU, Aiden Ray, Jeff Clifton. That is your individual sweet-spot for vitamin D. Now we know this is true because. If you go in the sun. So I've also sits in the sun five to six hours every single day.

[01:05:20] So every single day his body's probably producing Oh 20,000 units of 25 hydro of dethrone in his skin. But there's a feedback loop that tells the skin whether to release it so that it can go to the liver, and B can become 25 hydroxy or to destroy it. That's right. So the feedback loop says to the skin, we don't need any more, destroy it.

[01:05:46] And th and the skin does in fact destroy the 20 the three, the Kohler calciferol gets destroyed in your skin, so it can't be converted. Okay. So we know there's a feedback loop, and one of the ways we can discover our own [01:06:00] personal feedback loop is paying attention to parathyroid hormone in the face of supplementation.

[01:06:07] So. What is the safest amount of D three one can take orally, daily. You got to figure that one out yourself. Now, with that being said, darker skin, people like us, if you are dark versus light skin people, so I could take 20,000 IUs of vitamin D a day, which I do, and I'll barely get into close to 60 I'll be in the fifties why.

[01:06:33] Because my people spent every day toiling in the sun, and as a result and evolutionary gift we got was melanin. We got to protect us from the damaging effects of of the sun, but that also means that we produce less vitamin D as a result of it. Number one, and this is why African-Americans are always so terribly deficient in vitamin D because they could lay out in the sun every day.

[01:06:59] For every [01:07:00] son bearing hour, and they would only produce just a little bit of vitamin D. Remember, I have Northern African blood in me, so I have that problem as well, but there's another side to it. There's a binding protein that deactivates and it's, it's called a binding protein three it's a 25 hydroxy binding protein that literally protects you from having too high of vitamin D three.

[01:07:27] So not only do doc people produce less, but they also have a system in place that if all of a sudden they started producing too much, it would grab it and take it out of circulation. So if you are dark skinned, you could probably get away with taking 10,000 I'll use a day ad infinitum and not see any problems with it.

[01:07:48] That same dose in a fair skin person may put them up at a hundred nanograms. For a study that was done many years ago in Sweden where they were all fair skin. People found that giving [01:08:00] one of these fair skinned people, 5,000 IUs of vitamin D a day, put them up in the eighties giving them just 1000 I'll use a vitamin D a day, put them up in the fifties.

[01:08:12] And so they don't have a lot of binding protein and they don't have any melanin. So they produce a lot of vitamin D because they evolved in an environment that was scarce of sun. So every little bit of sun, they had to turn it into vitamin D. So again, you need to test to find out what your safe doses.

[01:08:41] Uh, there are really no generalizations that are, that are, that are appropriate in my humble opinion, kind of be taken intravenously. I don't know. I know that in some studies they use it intramuscularly. When you give vitamin D intramuscularly, it bypasses the whole negative feedback. Process when when [01:09:00] you take vitamin D any other way other than allowing it to come through the skin, you are actually taking some real problem causing some potential problems.

[01:09:11] Of course, you take the system designed to manage vitamin D out of the equation completely. So I would continue to take oral vitamin D for now. I would test, I would make sure that you're not getting too high, and I'd check pay attention to parathyroid hormone to find your individual sweet spot as far as it harming the kidneys.

[01:09:33] Uh, if you're staying in that sweet spot, you're not going to have the problems with the kidneys because the parathyroid hormone is part of the equation that drives calcium, calcium, calcification of. Uh, have a soft tissue, kidneys, arteries, and so on. Which brings us to Jeff Clifton's question about vitamin K too.

[01:09:54] If you're taking oral vitamin D three and you're not paying attention to your levels and you're just [01:10:00] being Willy nilly, I absolutely think keto is important. If you're paying attention to your levels and you're keeping it at a reasonably high level, maybe in the forties or fifties, I don't think K2 is that important.

[01:10:12] Um, you don't have to take vitamin a. You don't have to take cut hay to at all when vitamin D is made in your skin, interestingly, right? Because you've got the feedback system. It's managing itself. The body manages what it wants as far as  goes. But once you bypass that, either with an intramuscular injected or oral, um, supplemented now, now you do have to worry about it.

[01:10:37] I've been getting emails because people missed the primal day, and I will be re-introducing primal D. Um, it's being reformulated. It's going to work better. We had a small handful of people out there who didn't respond to it. A woman just emailed me this morning and says, when are you going to come out with primal D?

[01:10:54] Again, it's the only vitamin D supplement that got my husband's levels high, [01:11:00] so I'm going to wait to introduce it the end of the summer. Of course, I want all of you to get your vitamin D from the sun, and then we start supplementing in in the, in the cooler weather. Let's, okay, Aiden Ray has a question. He says, um, what D three 25 Oh eight levels.

[01:11:19] Do you personally prefer, do you reduce your dose on days? You're in the sun? Do you prefer to take it. Uh, in the sun. Do you prefer to take with whole eggs eaten early in the day? I always take vitamin D and vitamin a with a fatty meal, cause then it's absorbed. Um, you've mentioned not showering immediately after going out in the sun to prevent D three levels.

[01:11:43] Um, yes, because D three is made in the skin, but it's actually, some of it resides on the L on the surface of the skin. You can, um, wash some of it away, but if you're at the beach and you're in the sun every day and you're going in the water, don't worry [01:12:00] about it. You're going to get adequate levels of vitamin D three.

[01:12:03] Um. I don't take  in the summertime. I spend a lot of time in the sun and that's the way I prefer to get my D three but here in Kentucky, you know, we only have a few good months, five, maybe four best five months of sun, and then it disappears again. But yes, your D three should always be taken, and my sweet spot happens to be in the high fifties low sixties that's where my thyroid, my, my, my parathyroid hormone stops, stops.

[01:12:35] It stops dead. It doesn't go higher. It doesn't go low. It just hangs there. And so it took, took a while for me to figure that one out, but I don't worry about it. In the summertime. I only worry about it when I'm supplementing orally and I won't worry about it anymore. Once a primal D is available again, a renal D three supplementation shown to improve renal function in type two [01:13:00] diabetes.

[01:13:01] So actually renal protection. Yeah, it makes sense. The whole kidney stone thing is tied to, um, calcification. And that is when you're taking such high doses and you're not, the feedback loop has gone and it does show that high doses for long periods of time, I'm talking about years, you will start to see calcium deposits end up in tissue that you don't want.

[01:13:27] Thanks for asking the question too. Thank you. So that's it. I hope I answered that question. Pay attention to your levels. This is not a guess. You know, I love to say on this show. When speaking about certain supplements, the good thing about this supplement is it works. The bad thing about this supplement is it works and you would know more overdose on value them or insulin or anything else.

[01:13:50] When something works respected, get blood levels tested, find your own information about where you belong with that supplement [01:14:00] and pay attention to your blood levels. And that's it. And that's it for today. Um, I don't think we have a show tomorrow, believe it or not, tomorrow's Friday, who maybe I'll be able to ride my motorcycle all day tomorrow.

[01:14:11] Wouldn't that be great? All right. Thank you for being here today. Thanks to all of you who pay attention to this show who participate and ask questions. Thank you for making my job so much more fun. I gotta go visit  someday. He has the life I want. And of course, uh, share the show. Please share the show with friends.

[01:14:30] Ask them to listen. Ask them to save their own lives. It's going to get tough out there because, um, vaccines are only 40 to 50% effective, but people think that this vaccine is going to save them. It's not the only thing that's going to save people is get your act together. Get strong. Like I started saying, when the show first started live stronger, live longer, the stronger people.

[01:14:52] Survive. Okay. See you next week. Thanks for being here. [01:15:00]