[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] monday, February 3rd, 2020. Uh, today is, uh, an episode of open season on men with my cohost. Will join me in just a moment. John Romano, just wanted to make a couple of quick announcements. The first one is, of course, our title sponsors legendary foods. And if you have not tried their new tasty pastry, you are missing out.

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[00:00:54] John Romano: [00:00:54] my cohost. Let me turn the solo off. Turn his

[00:00:56] Carl Lanore: [00:00:56] mic on. Hey John, how you doing?

[00:00:58] John Romano: [00:00:58] Hey, good morning. Afternoon.

[00:01:00] [00:00:59] Carl Lanore: [00:00:59] Yeah, so it's a, this is an important show is the show that actually we knew we were going to do eventually.

[00:01:05] And it's funny in anticipation of us doing the show. Uh, I put a post up on Facebook the other day and all I said was this statistic that's at the bottom of our screen. The CDC just announced that suicides are up 40% over the past 17 years. And people immediately are talking about, well, millennials, they don't want to work.

[00:01:31] Or they're talking about women being single moms, or they're talking about, um, you name it. But the the only ones that they're not mentioning are men. And in fact, when you look at the stats we're going to show you today, that's who's committing suicide. It's men. If you are a man and you're listening to this show right now, you need to think about that for a second because there's all these organizations out there trying to stop [00:02:00] bullying because some kid committed suicide, and don't get me wrong, that's sad or.

[00:02:05] You know, some woman are committed suicide, but meanwhile it's 70% of all suicides in the United States are men. Men. Nobody's talking about it.

[00:02:21] John Romano: [00:02:21] You know, it's, it's one of those things that's kind of like, you know, a given almost, you know, like men commit most of the crime that men commit most of the sex crimes. Um, you know, kids commit most of the vandalism. There's, there's these, these statistics that are kind of like understood. What's more alarming to me as a veteran, um, is the number of vets that commit suicide every day.

[00:02:48] Cause not only are they men, but they're veterans and we're like at 20 a day are, are often themselves. So that's. That's it. It's past [00:03:00] insane. I mean, you're talking about somebody who goes and serves this country, gets shipped off to some foreign dirtbag country, has to put his life on the line for something he doesn't even know anything about.

[00:03:11] Comes back, uh, with all kinds of syndromes and PTSD and, and he's seen the goriest of the gory been fired on, blown up or everything, and then they just opened the door and let them out. You know? And what's he supposed to do? He's got all of this anx in his head. He's just expected to just, he's expected to just fall back into society and do what do what a man does and he can't hack it.

[00:03:38] The weight of the world is on his shoulders as it is. Add to that, the trauma of, of being deployed in a foreign country under attack.

[00:03:46] Carl Lanore: [00:03:46] And these guys are,

[00:03:47] John Romano: [00:03:47] these guys can't make it, you know?

[00:03:49] Carl Lanore: [00:03:49] Well, and I hate that term that you just used. I want to underscore it, right? The weight of the world. The weight of the world and it just this, let's put a pin in that later.

[00:03:58] John Romano: [00:03:58] Let's talk about that.  [00:04:00] you know, it's a good segue, a way to, you know, I, I had a, I speak from a little bit of personal experience. I've, I've known several guys who've killed themselves over the years, and they're usually in my case, well, one of them, we expected it. The, the other ones,

[00:04:18] Carl Lanore: [00:04:18] you know, you're talking

[00:04:19] John Romano: [00:04:19] about a guy who was married, beautiful wife, two beautiful daughters.

[00:04:24] Lives in a nice house, you know, following his career path, doing everything you're supposed to do. And one day he kills himself. Now if you dig a little deeper, you realize, you know, this guy was under the most incredible stress. His wife didn't work, you know, she wasn't one of those pre-Madonna, you know, trophy wives who expected, you know, the spa treatments and the shopping all day.

[00:04:47] And. You know, he's, he's trying to make his business work and he couldn't do, he couldn't, he couldn't get it to bite. He couldn't, he couldn't get his, his company to, to, to start rolling. And no matter what he [00:05:00] did, what loans he took out, what help you got from films, he couldn't get it to work. And he realized that one at one point.

[00:05:07] My wife and my two daughters are going to be better off with the insurance payment or they're going to get when I'm gone. And so he stuck up. He stuck a nine in his mouth.

[00:05:17] Carl Lanore: [00:05:17] Unfortunately, the bad news about that is insurance companies don't pay when you commit suicide. That's a true, that's a, that's, you know, that's a sad reality.

[00:05:25] A

[00:05:26] John Romano: [00:05:26] sad reality that he had no way to know. And he's going out thinking he's providing for his family and, and if it old. Oh, the story gets even stacked. Ultimately, she got messed up and you know, went to alcohol and her, she ended up dying of alcohol overdose. She knew she's dead too now. So you've got these two, you've got these two daughters who either are adults now, obviously, but um, you know, this is the trauma that they've had to live with their their entire life.

[00:05:53] Carl Lanore: [00:05:53] That's why, that's why I also think that suicide is a very selfish thing to do unless you are. And you know, if you're, [00:06:00] if you're, if you're, the doctor's told you, look, you got a couple months to live, your quality of life has gone and you want to leave the planet with dignity. That's one thing, right? But most of the time when people commit suicide, it's a, it's kind of a passive aggressive attempt to, to, to really rein on other people's lives.

[00:06:18] Uh, not all Pete, not all guys, but some, some of them, not. Some of them do that. So,

[00:06:23] John Romano: [00:06:23] you know what w what some of the guys, you know, I was able to speak to. When they were wrestling with this  they exhibit or experience pain. Okay. And, and I, one, one of my dearly beloved brothers, you know, he just, he looked,

[00:06:43] Carl Lanore: [00:06:43] I said, dude, why

[00:06:45] John Romano: [00:06:45] are you not getting it, man?

[00:06:47] You got everything. You got everything. You're able body, there's nothing wrong with you. You can work, you're smart, you're talented. You've got people who love you. He goes, dude, you don't get it. I can't help it. I'm [00:07:00] not in control of how I feel it. And some days the pain is so bad, I just want it to stop.

[00:07:08] And the only way I know what the stop is, is, is to, is to turn a switch off. And I mean you and I cannot comprehend that no matter how compassionate and understanding you want to be.

[00:07:21] Carl Lanore: [00:07:21] But the truth of the matter is that everybody listening to this show right now. It's going to go. Yeah, right. We've all been there.

[00:07:27] We've all been in places once or twice in our lives where we thought maybe this is when people check out. Like maybe this is the obstacle, but I think that, and I can only speak for myself, but I really am the eternal optimist. I am the junkyard dog tied to the tree, freezing his ass off in the middle of December, going to sleep Wednesday night.

[00:07:54] Thinking, well, maybe I'll wake up Thursday morning and they'll let me in the house and like I'll live to another for another day [00:08:00] because maybe tomorrow they'll let me out, get me out of this yard and let me in house. I am the eternal optimist. No matter when things look like they're crushing me, I find something to hang hope on.

[00:08:11] And I think that's one of the things that is lost in people who feel the only alternative is to check out that the problem is so big that there is no other answer. But to checkout.

[00:08:22] John Romano: [00:08:22] Well go now. Now it's good to go back to the way to the world. You know what? What happens is men are expected to do certain things out.

[00:08:34] They're expected, and people have a hard time with this because you know, women want to stand up and scream about equality and you know, feminism and blah, blah, blah. The bottom line is nobody gives a shit about that. What they care about is the ultimate responsibility lies with the man. It always has and probably always will.

[00:08:55] The waiter puts the check down in front of the guy every time you go to dinner. That's what [00:09:00] happens. You can be with 10 women. You're the guy. He puts the check in front of you. That's the way it is.

[00:09:05] Carl Lanore: [00:09:05] Have you ever, and have you ever seen a woman go to the waiter. You know what? That's very disrespectful. How do you know I wasn't going to pay?

[00:09:12] Then you never see a woman say that. Now don't get me wrong. Elisa will grab the check after it's in front of me and pull it over and pay it. But we're kind of in a communal financial system so it doesn't matter. But the reality is that women go through life expecting men to do these things, but the feminists want to act like as though they don't like it.

[00:09:34] They don't want it.

[00:09:35] John Romano: [00:09:35] Well, you know, go out to dinner one or go out to go out on a date. Don't open the door for the girl. Don't open her car door. Don't open the door

[00:09:43] Carl Lanore: [00:09:43] until you pull up in front of the house and beep the horn.

[00:09:46] John Romano: [00:09:46] Yeah. What like you do with one of your guy friends, you know, just drop her off and say, you know, see you tomorrow, dude.

[00:09:53] You know, it's, they don't want that. They do not want that. They want, they want their cake. They want the [00:10:00] icing on it. They want somebody else to make it and they want to eat it too. That's what they want. And they just, and, and, and what happens is there's no recourse for the guy,

[00:10:10] Carl Lanore: [00:10:10] but here's what, here's what really happens.

[00:10:12] I wrote down trophy wife, my feeble attempt of making notes, right? Right.

[00:10:18] John Romano: [00:10:18] So

[00:10:20] Carl Lanore: [00:10:20] guys create a front that I got all this going on, I got that going on, you know, and they attract a woman that, that's what she's interested in. But then when they're married for 20 years and they're like, I can't keep up this pace anymore.

[00:10:38] Well, you're the one who set the tone for this pace. You know, why the hell would trophy wives, you know, have, have a wife that you respect. And that is willing to work side by side with you on whatever project you're working on. That's a trophy, in my opinion. Not somebody who, who, you know, she's spending 10,000 a month on, on cosmetic [00:11:00] surgery and all this other stuff, just so she can prove that she's got a man that has money.

[00:11:04] You're the other part of that problem. If you, if you go into a relationship wanting to be the hero. Then guess what? You're going to get to a point in your life where you're gonna start resenting the relationship because you're gonna think nobody gives a damn about me and all I all I am, you know, I'm only as good as my, my next paycheck.

[00:11:24] Yeah. And, and the,

[00:11:25] John Romano: [00:11:25] and the idea that this, this trophy is gonna, you know, do anything for you is, is completely maligned though. You know, a guy, you know. I'll take me for example, cause I do have a trophy wife, but she's a trophy for another reason. Right. Okay. She's, she's 25 years younger than me. She's hot as hell.

[00:11:47] She and ed. But she's an attorney

[00:11:50] Carl Lanore: [00:11:50] and a very, very good and smart attorney. Right, exactly

[00:11:53] John Romano: [00:11:53] right. It's the partner law firm. The girl is like,

[00:11:57] Carl Lanore: [00:11:57] you know, she didn't, she didn't need you to save her [00:12:00] life.

[00:12:00] John Romano: [00:12:00] Right. She doesn't need me for anything. Right. Okay. And . I mean, she'll tell you otherwise, but in reality, I'll check if I leave.

[00:12:11] If I die tomorrow, she's going to be fine. Right. And the typical trophy wife is not, they're going to have to go out and find a new sponsor right away. So that's good. And what's the truth? I mean, that's what, that's, that's what I call him, you know? Um, so the, the, the idea of a trophy wife is to show another guy.

[00:12:32] I got a lot of money. I got a big Dick, I got a nice house. I got, you know that. That's why I have this young hot, scorching

[00:12:38] Carl Lanore: [00:12:38] and that's exactly what it is. It's a message to the world. Like I got it all going on. That's why this girl is attracted to me. So you really, with this girl the same way you are, because you have to buy a Rolex cause everybody else goes old Rolex and you have to drive a fancy car.

[00:12:53] It's the same reason. That's not a real reason to be in a relationship.

[00:12:56] John Romano: [00:12:56] But what happens is. The trophy wives gets, [00:13:00] gets wound up in the snowball when it starts going down the Hill. So if you're a start falling on bad times, you lose your job. You get into an accident, you lose a leg, you get disfigured and not good looking anymore.

[00:13:11] If you're, if you're wearing the first place, you know, you call it, you don't have any money, then then the trophy wife goes away. Then not only does the trophy wife go away, but your image goes away. You got more problems piled on top of that. You can't manage. You can't pay your bills. You're out on the street.

[00:13:28] Nobody gets the trophy. Wives fucking useless at that point. Cause she's, she's not,

[00:13:32] Carl Lanore: [00:13:32] no, she knows you're in the, you're in the ocean and it's rough and she's an anchor and you're trying to stay up on, you're trying to carry her and keep her alive too. But again, dudes, you. Manifested this relationship, you, you create a relationship, you set the tone that this is who you're going to be and trust me, I don't care who you are.

[00:13:54] You're going to hit bad times. You, Richard Branson, his head hit bad times. Everybody hits bad times. [00:14:00] So you know, you gotta, you gotta think this one through, and I'm, I'm talking to the young dogs out there right now, like, like my son's age, 28 29 you're starting to get married. Like you need someone who can cut bait too.

[00:14:13] You need somebody who can do for you as much as you do for them. If you take on this role of being the hero, yeah, it's going to be great. Now, when you know, when you're young and, and your role in and everything seems so easy and life is so simple, but then when life gets complicated and kids come into the picture and real money is being spent on private school every month and everything else, and you go, I can't keep up this pace.

[00:14:35] Hey, too bad you shouldn't have set the pace.

[00:14:39] John Romano: [00:14:39] Yeah.

[00:14:39] Carl Lanore: [00:14:39] And,

[00:14:39] John Romano: [00:14:39] and, and the sad thing is, is that, you know, back to the trophy wife, they leave in a heartbeat. Yeah. You know when to shoot. As soon as the gravy trains rise up, they're gone.

[00:14:50] Carl Lanore: [00:14:50] The relationship is quite understood by both parties. There's no, I want to put a statistic up there.

[00:14:54] This is really interesting, right? So, uh, this is the reason for [00:15:00] suicide and we're going to, we're going to show you some statistics today. They're going to shock you because we don't have any coalitions out there wanting to help men. Yeah. In fact, I was just at the grocery store the other day and the lady said, Oh, would you buy some groceries for the women, the center for women and families?

[00:15:14] I said, yeah. I said, Elisa was there. I said, yeah, as soon as you put men in there, the center for women, men and family, because I went through a divorce and I didn't have any place to go to, to go and ask for help. Of course, the women and families. So anyway, mental illnesses, number one, I want to talk about mental illness for just a second.

[00:15:31] So mental illness is one of these terms that's kind of a catchall right. So dysmorphia is a type of mental illness. Body dysmorphia is at the root of both anorexia nervosa and some of these extreme bodybuilders who just never think they're big enough. Right.

[00:15:48] John Romano: [00:15:48] The Donna's complex.

[00:15:50] Carl Lanore: [00:15:50] So just morphea is a perspective.

[00:15:54] That is skewed in a specific area. So you could be a completely functional person, every area [00:16:00] of your life. But this, this one area, like you just, for some reason your brain just can't wrap around it. So I would argue that when we talk about mental illness, we're not talking about schizophrenia. We're not talking about even depression, although depressive drugs.

[00:16:18] Absolutely. But what we're really talking about here is, is dysmorphia. You look, you look at a problem and for some reason it looks so big that you feel like the only thing you can do is check out. That I believe, in my humble opinion, is the reason for mental illness being a driver of suicide. What do you think?

[00:16:37] John Romano: [00:16:37] I completely agree. Um, and you know, my father was a psychiatrist, so I have a little bit of actual experience hearing about this. Um, there is very little. Left in society that supports mental illness. We let it go unchecked. We let it go untreated. We let it go [00:17:00] unacknowledged for a lot of people, especially veterans, especially veterans now, do you remember the Rockefeller laws when they came into into New York, they basically emptied out the asylums there.

[00:17:13] There was no more public money for treating the mentally ill. And they basically, my father was the, was the gatekeeper. It creed, more psychiatric center. Wow. You remember creed

[00:17:25] Carl Lanore: [00:17:25] more credible and Belize, both of those help you out on the Island,

[00:17:29] John Romano: [00:17:29] right? Well, Creedmore Creedmore was the largest, it was five, I think it was 500 beds or 5,000 beds.

[00:17:36] It was the largest psychiatric center. In in America right at the time. Now, it's not non-existent. There's this, there's no psychiatric patients there, but when they emptied them out, you know, there's a fence around the property and it was the saddest thing in the world. These guys that were being treated yesterday are now living on the street [00:18:00] tomorrow.

[00:18:01] They're outside the gate. They don't know where to go. They got nowhere to go. And they're, they're literally sitting in front of the gate

[00:18:09] Carl Lanore: [00:18:09] in front of you. They went, they just went to the other side of the gate and they sat down, cause where are they going

[00:18:13] John Romano: [00:18:13] to exactly what they did. They had nowhere to go there.

[00:18:16] They were getting sick, dying in your emergency room, committing crimes. It was the biggest public disaster that, you know, the Democrats ever, ever, you know, foisted upon, you know, a, a group of individuals that they're supposedly sworn to help. And. It was, it was terrible and it never got better. So you have, you have, mental illness is, is a tremendous trigger for a lot of things that go wrong in society and it's completely UN unnoticed.

[00:18:48] Nobody cares about it. And what happens is, as the statistic points out. Men in particular who are afflicted with these mental illnesses. And some of them, you know, [00:19:00] people who say mental illness and they picture, you know, non-functioning . I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about people who have depression, chronic depression, bipolar disease, people who can't cope.

[00:19:13] These people are not treated. And what happens is, especially when you're a guy, the weight of the world's piled on your shoulder, you're expected to perform. You're expected to, to keep the family intact. You're expected to do all these things. There's no complete department for us, right? We've got nowhere to go.

[00:19:30] Carl Lanore: [00:19:30] Right?

[00:19:30] John Romano: [00:19:30] The buck stops with us. So what he ended up doing, you take as much of it as you can, and when you can't take it anymore, you swallow a nine. That's what happens.

[00:19:38] Carl Lanore: [00:19:38] And that's exactly what I've said to the number, the number one to statistic. For those listening to the podcast and not viewing it, we have to.

[00:19:44] Some graphs up. So the first one, one is meant mental illness. Over 40% say that. That's the reason for suicide. Intimate partner. This category is you and your wife aren't getting along. She's leaving you. She, she, you found out she's cheating. She's [00:20:00] leaving you for another guy so you don't feel like a man anymore.

[00:20:03] You decide that's it. I'm going to kill this one here. I do believe, and. I know I'm going to get flamed for saying this, this one here is, I feel is a lot more passive aggressive guys in this category. I'm going to ruin you alive. I'm going to kill myself. You're going to have to live with the pain of knowing that I killed myself because of you.

[00:20:22] I'm gonna ruin your life and take my own at the same time. 

[00:20:27] John Romano: [00:20:27] yeah. They'll take somebody with them.

[00:20:29] Carl Lanore: [00:20:29] And that's the other thing. Nowadays, they take people with them too, right? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yup. Um, so the, uh, the third one is recent crisis. That's just under 30% of the suicides and that could be losing your job.

[00:20:42] Again, all of these, all of these, I believe that if I was given a time play and I could play, you know, the seven degrees of Kevin bacon, I can draw all these back to money and money by and large, and don't get me wrong, women have done an amazing job [00:21:00] at, uh. Getting into the work field side by side to men out earning men in some cases, don't get me wrong, that's not what I'm saying, but women don't see themselves doing that for the rest of their lives.

[00:21:12] Early on in the relationship. They pitch in, they build a nest egg, but now we're going to have children and I'm done. And so the guy ends up when, when the train is the most full, he becomes the only engine.

[00:21:24] John Romano: [00:21:24] Well, the, the other side of that is women who participate in the workforce. You know, there's, there's this, there's this idea being, you know, belief.

[00:21:37] Let's call it better than an idea. There's a belief that women are bitches in America, okay? And they act very bitchy and they say that the reason is, well, because I got to work all day and then I'm expected to come home and make dinner and take care of the kids and clean the house and having solids.

[00:21:54] And I'd have sex dash

[00:21:56] Carl Lanore: [00:21:56] shit. The first thing that goes.

[00:21:59] John Romano: [00:21:59] Number one on the [00:22:00] list. Always.

[00:22:00] Carl Lanore: [00:22:00] Always, I got to do laundry or I got to have sex with you. I'm going to go do laundry.

[00:22:05] John Romano: [00:22:05] But you know, that's, that's, that's confined a lot to America. You go to, you go to any Latin countries, six comes first. It's

[00:22:13] Carl Lanore: [00:22:13] Italy too.

[00:22:14] Yeah. You go to Italy, everything. Yeah.

[00:22:17] John Romano: [00:22:17] If you ever had a Latin girlfriend, you sex is never, never on the chop. And

[00:22:23] Carl Lanore: [00:22:23] I all, I'm going to say something else and I, there's a study that proves this and I can't quote it. But the more intelligent you are, the more sex you want. The most intelligent people are the most sexually, uh, sexually expressive, sexually uninhibited, uh, and, and sexually.

[00:22:40] Uh, what's the word I'm looking for? Experimental.

[00:22:43] John Romano: [00:22:43] I must be a fucking genius.

[00:22:45] Carl Lanore: [00:22:45] Yeah. Yeah, you are. That's what you got to keep that, keep the brain warm. So the, the, the next one is physical health. I get this one. If I'm at the end of the road and I know that there's no coming back, I got this disease now it's just a matter of.

[00:22:56] Suffering along. I'm all for [00:23:00] euthanasia in those circumstances where we really know there's nothing we can do for you. Um, problems at work and they have financial problems. Last, which I don't buy. You know, I don't buy that because I believe that every one of these other categories has. So a guy who's has physical health illnesses, you don't think that along with.

[00:23:25] I don't have much life left. He doesn't also say, and this was, I'm just such a financial burden to my family right now. Guys think that way guys think to themselves like your buddy, you'll be better off without me. You'll be, you'll, you'll, you'll do better financially without me. I'm draining you right now.

[00:23:42] I'm going to check out. I don't buy that last one. That financial problems are the lowest, but I will say this, and we're going to show this statistic here in a second. Let me get to the next one first. Hold on a second. We got some really good stats. And then we'll take a break after this one here. So the next one [00:24:00] shows, let me, Oh, I'm sorry, I'm not a good producer.

[00:24:04] So the next one shows that the fatality rate hide that fatality rate by suicide method. Now remember this one, cause I'm going to show you something on a national level that's going to speak to this. So the number one way to take your life and don't forget it's men that are doing the suicides. It's not young millennials being bullied.

[00:24:25] It's not single moms who can't hang it together anymore. It's it's, it's average dudes who live very average lives that are committing suicide and well, over 75% of them use a firearm. Why? Because men are all about fixing stuff. You don't want, you don't want to jump. I like I, if I was going to commit suicide, I wouldn't jump to my death because with my luck, I'd become a paraplegic that I wouldn't die, and then somebody is going to wipe my ass for the rest of my life now, you know?

[00:24:55] So what's the, what's the one way, you know, boom, blow, the brain's [00:25:00] headed the back of your head and you're done. You know that it's you. There's no chance that you're going to, you're going to be dead. And defense guys are doing suicides the most. They do it the most efficiently with guns.

[00:25:09] John Romano: [00:25:09] Yeah. I disagree with that one.

[00:25:11] I don't want to leave a mess for somebody to clean up. Honestly. I would just, you know, take a massive dose of heroin or something and go out with a smile on my

[00:25:20] Carl Lanore: [00:25:20] face. That would actually be that. Well, well, think about it. So we consider that youth, uh, we consider that a humane way of, of putting prisoners to death.

[00:25:29] John Romano: [00:25:29] Well, you know, I look at it this way. If I was sick and dying and I had this protracted illness and I was going to be, you know. No light at the end of the tunnel. I'm going to get progressively worse than deteriorate over months and months and months. I say, fuck that. I'm not going to do that to my wife and my family.

[00:25:46] I want to give, I want her to get, I want her to hurry up and get over me so she can get, move on with her life, find somebody else and be happy. Right. I'm not gonna force service, you know, to hold my hand while I, if there's [00:26:00] no hope. If there's no hope, I'm just going to get progressively worse than die.

[00:26:04] I'm going to do it sooner rather than later. Why prolong the agony? Right? You know, for me and for everybody else, just do it. Get it over with, you know? But in every other vertical of this equation, there is, there is a saddening, really a realistic idea that. It's the man who is gonna suffer the most in all of this.

[00:26:32] And I'm not saying that women don't suffer. I am not saying that at all. They do. And I've, I've had, I've known women who've killed themselves. So, um, there's definitely that, that agony associated with them too. But it's the expectation that gets stapled onto a guy's forehead, that CRE that causes that path to be followed and when he can't follow it anymore, there's really no recourse.

[00:26:59] What are you [00:27:00] going to do?

[00:27:01] Carl Lanore: [00:27:01] The next category is just above 60% of suicides by suffocation or what I like to call this fixation or hanging. So suffocation is you, you park your car in the garage, you start it up, you open the windows, you let it run. You go to sleep, your diet, then I'll wrap in plastic bags around their heads when they say suffocation.

[00:27:20] And then hanging to me is one of the most violent ways to commit suicide. And to me, once again, and this is just me, and I know I'm wrong already, but you know, I, I've, I'm pretty grown up a pretty useless life though. I think that if you hang yourself, you really do want to shit on somebody else's life cause they gotta find you hang in there, they got to freak out.

[00:27:43] They got to lift your, if you're a big guy like me and you lift your body up and take it down and your face is all blue and your tongue is sticking out and you're like, what you're basically saying to them is you have fuck. You now live with live with this in your memory. 

[00:27:57] John Romano: [00:27:57] I think the same goes with splatter in your brains on the [00:28:00] wall too.

[00:28:00] I mean, you know, I don't want, I don't want somebody coming in

[00:28:02] Carl Lanore: [00:28:02] and, yeah, but see, y'all whole thing is not making a mess. What if you went out in the woods and did it. Then know what? Nobody has to clean up. The, the brain matter stuck to the tree. That that's acceptable to

[00:28:11] John Romano: [00:28:11] you. Right. That's true.

[00:28:13] Carl Lanore: [00:28:13] John. I never knew you was such a neat freak anomaly.

[00:28:16] John Romano: [00:28:16] No, I am a neat freak, but it's, it's not, it's no, I mean, yeah, it's the mess, but it's also the Gore, you know, I don't want you to, who's going to find me? I don't want my wife to find me or my kid to find right. Probably, Oh well we, you know, it might be top of my head missing, right. I don't want it that last minute.

[00:28:32] You know, if I look like I'm sleeping and I got a big smile on my face cause I did a bunch of goofballs then, then you know, yeah, that's, I think that's a more acceptable way to go out. But look, when you are, when you are committed to doing it. I don't think really the method registers that much in anybody's head.

[00:28:53] They just picked away the most convenient, easiest way that they think they're going to go out. And for some [00:29:00] people it's jumping off a bridge. For some people it's sticking a gun in their mouth. For some people it's hanging, you know, drug overdose, whatever. What if the decision is made? You're doing it. My father, the psychiatrist always told me.

[00:29:15] You know, people talk about killing themselves a lot. He says, you know how you can tell who's serious about it and who's not? They're dead. That's right. It's the dead ones who are serious about it.

[00:29:27] Carl Lanore: [00:29:27] So I got to tell you a story. My son was probably about 11 maybe now. He was probably about 12 or 13 years old at the time, and he wanted something, and by the way, he's grown up to be a model adult male.

[00:29:37] I mean, he's outperformed me already at this stage of the life when I was his age. So he, but he told us that we will all add, we will all in California at quest one day we're all sitting around and talking and chase was there. And so Ron pedal was asking chase about, you know, what was it like growing up with him as your dad and all that sort of stuff.

[00:29:56] And chase recounted the story. So I feel like it's, it's acceptable to tell. So [00:30:00] he was about 12 or 13 years old. He wanted something desperately. And I kept telling him, no, no, no. And he said, Oh, Oh, I want to kill myself. And I stopped and I looked at him, I said, you know, I said, life isn't for everybody. I said, if you think that's the only answer, you know, and I walked away.

[00:30:20] He never, ever, ever, ever, ever said that again. He told that story and he thought to himself, and then later on in life, I says, you never say that because in today's world somebody will have you committed. Like you can even say that. But the reality is the people who want to kill themselves, they don't tell anybody.

[00:30:36] They're not looking to get stopped. And that's why. The third category. That's just about 26% or so. 24% is false, which they're talking about jumping to your death, right? Jumping out of a window, jumping off a bridge, that sort of thing. The fourth one, interestingly, is the method of choice by women who attempt suicide, [00:31:00] which is about 4% which is overdose or poisoning.

[00:31:05] So here's an interesting statistic. While men commit suicide, almost 70% of all suicides year after year a guys, the other 30% are broken down by, you know, teens and adolescents and women and so on. Okay? Women attempt suicide almost two fold more frequently than men, but they don't succeed because they take a handful of pills.

[00:31:34] But then they go tell somebody they took a handful of pills so they can get to the hospital in time to get their stomach pumped and subsequently overdosed. And poisoning is the fourth category with about 4% of suicides.

[00:31:46] John Romano: [00:31:46] It's, it's, as you point out, it's generally harder to kill yourself that way unless you really know what you're doing.

[00:31:52] Um, you know, you can swallow a bottle of sleeping pills like a lot of people think, but more than likely, you're going to throw them up and [00:32:00] you're not going to die. Um, it's, it's, it's, it's kind of difficult to kill yourself with pills and, Oh, Dean, what much more so than anything else, but you know. Okay.

[00:32:11] Like I said, there's a will, there's a way, but it goes back to the seriousness. Some people can attempt suicide because they're screaming for attention and they're not really serious about killing themselves. And you know, you've seen that. You see that a lot. But, uh, and I think you see that a lot among women.

[00:32:31] I've known several women who have attempted suicide and I go, you know, if you attempt anything else in your life like that, you're probably not going very far.

[00:32:39] Carl Lanore: [00:32:39] I know you don't attempt to get a job that way. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I want to take the last one is cutting like only 2% of all suicides of the old fashioned way.

[00:32:50] The way we did it back in mother Rome, which was

[00:32:53] John Romano: [00:32:53] slit your wrist,

[00:32:54] Carl Lanore: [00:32:54] warm bathtub. And let yourself bleed out. When we come back, we've got a lot more interesting statistics and we're going to show you [00:33:00] why the group that's doing the most suicides today is actually, well, it's white, middle aged men my age and John's age, and it ended and the greatest rise of suicides.

[00:33:14] Is in that group of men. Stay tuned. You're listening to open season on men. We'll be right back.

[00:33:20] John Romano: [00:33:20] This is the superhuman channel evolution. Just got kicked up a nudge.

[00:33:29] Carl Lanore: [00:33:29] Welcome back. This episode of open season on men is about suicide and appropriately it is a man's problem. And I gotta tell you a quick story. So we have a new sponsor. You just heard it. I love the ads.

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[00:33:44] Carl Lanore: [00:33:44] So, uh, you know, sleep is very important to all of us. And for a long time I would wake up in the middle of the night, maybe to go pee, and I'd, before I drift back to sleep, I would start thinking about all the things, the loose ends, you know, like life is [00:34:00] an accumulation of loose ends and the more loose ends you take care of, the better you sleep.

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[00:34:47] And by the time I got to the office, he had already emailed me everything I needed to fill out. I had been contacted by a lovely woman who came to my house and drew blood and did my intake. And, [00:35:00] and also I was shocked. One of the reasons. Uh, I didn't want to do this because the amount of money that I want them to take out that would, if I pass away unexpectedly and it's always going to be unexpectedly, would make, you know, I'm not killing myself.

[00:35:14] Trust me, I love my life. But anyway, I wanted to make sure that Elisa and my kids would have something of value to go forward with you. You know, it's a sad thing. I got to die, but maybe it's a, it's a leaping off point for them. And for Lisa, I just want her to be comfortable. And so. I was shocked at like, I was like, this is the lowest term insurance I've ever had.

[00:35:36] And he goes to me, well, he goes, you know, we generally cater to the average American who's got diabetes in, but you're like, you're really in great shape and you're, you know, you're 61 years old and you're not on any meds. And it was like, so I ended up getting like a super disk. Well, it wasn't a discount.

[00:35:52] It's like super low compared to some of the other places I shop. They even shop. AAA keeps sending me [00:36:00] something, you know, automobile club and I was shopping them. I was like, this is ridiculous. I'm going to have to pay like a car payment in order to get valuable life insurance, and this company is great, big loo and they're going to be a sponsors on the show.

[00:36:14] I requested them because every guy out there needs to know something. You will feel better. If you get diagnosed with something, if you have life insurance in place and you know, okay, this is horrible, I'm not ready to go, but it's inevitable. There's nothing I can do about it, but at least my family is taken care of.

[00:36:32] It's every man's responsibility to at least have life insurance to help his wife and children when he does die, and guess what? We all die. Nobody. Nobody. I don't know anybody who's gotten to be here and not die. So it's very great.

[00:36:47] John Romano: [00:36:47] Pretty much unexpectedly too.

[00:36:49] Carl Lanore: [00:36:49] I mean, you know, you and I, I mean, we are not the average 60 you're 60 now, right?

[00:36:54] 59

[00:36:55] John Romano: [00:36:55] 59 okay. All rush me.

[00:36:56] Carl Lanore: [00:36:56] I know, but you know, we're not the average guys. [00:37:00] We, we train hard. We train harder than some 20 year olds. We, we, we live a special life. We prep off food, but that doesn't mean that we won't wake up one morning. You know, we'll go to bed and with all the plans in the morning to do something and all of a sudden we're not there.

[00:37:13] John Romano: [00:37:13] Right. Oh yeah. You know, and it happens. And, and, um, unexpectedly, I always find those, those terms. Hysterical. You know, he died unexpectedly. Did he have an appointment?

[00:37:27] Carl Lanore: [00:37:27] Oh, he had, did he have, was it a planner? I'm going to die Wednesday. He had, he planned it.

[00:37:31] John Romano: [00:37:31] It's like, it's like, it looks like the term near miss.

[00:37:34] You know, near misdemeanors you hit the guy, you know, near hit is the, is is the better term, you know?

[00:37:41] Carl Lanore: [00:37:41] So let me just do this real quick. So it's big loo.com or 800, three, five, two nine, two three, nine. Uh, if, if you don't have life insurance, you're really, Darryl, if you don't have life insurance and you have a family, you're very derelict of your duties.

[00:37:54] John Romano: [00:37:54] That's it. That's all. That's absolutely correct.

[00:37:57] Carl Lanore: [00:37:57] So the next statistic I want to throw up here [00:38:00] is an important one. So this one shows income. So this might be why they say finances are not the number one reason of men committing suicide. However, I want to abolish this lie that income equality or low standing in socioeconomic strata is the reason people commit suicide.

[00:38:26] It's exactly the opposite. If you look at these numbers, the number one. Tear for the greatest suicides happens to be the highest economic standing in our society. They killed themselves more often and, and, and the lower you go, the fewer the suicides are. You can see the numbers are right there. And the reality is the bulk of suicides are men that upper.

[00:38:53] Middle-class to upper class in incomes. They're making a quarter of a mil a year. They got the house, they go on [00:39:00] vacation, they got the car, they got the Rolex, and they decide to kill themselves. What do you think? Why, what everybody says, Oh, poor people kill themselves. No. Poor people don't. They do, they killed themselves, but not to the rate that rich people do.

[00:39:14] John Romano: [00:39:14] You know, there's, there's a, I dunno if it's a misconception or an actual statistic, but, um, I think the lower. Income bracket isn't thinking on the level that the upper income bracket is thinking on and they don't. They don't assume the stresses that the upper income bracket guys do. The more money you make, the more stress you take on that.

[00:39:39] You have more responsibilities. Your business. You've got people who depend on you. You take a guy who owns a, you know, an average size company. They may have 1415 2030 families that depend on him every day to make the right choices. Otherwise, you know, 30 people are going to be out of work. That's a big responsibility for some people to take on.

[00:40:00] [00:39:59] Some guys can't handle that, you know the, there is

[00:40:03] Carl Lanore: [00:40:03] that, and that's an actually, I want to stop there. Just hold, hold your thought. That's an actually important point of distinction and I'll tell you why, because everybody wants to be rich, but nobody wants to work as hard as rich people work. Rich people don't see we, we love to create this illusion that rich people sit home and Rob people of their money, and that's how they get their money.

[00:40:22] No rich people save their money generationally. They pass their wealth along. That takes a lot of foresight than just living for Friday night. But on top of that, you, when you're, when you have a lot of money, you got a lot of responsibility to manage it. You have a lot of work you have to do to upkeep it and protect it.

[00:40:40] It can disappear. And so. When people get to that point. I think you're right. I think they feel like, I feel like the guy on the ed Sullivan show, these plates are all gonna crush down any minute. I'm just going to go.

[00:40:51] John Romano: [00:40:51] Yeah. The, the, the, the lower income people, the poor people have very little that's crushing them, you know, and, and there's assistance for them.

[00:40:59] They can get [00:41:00] welfare, food stamps, programs, free tickets, free buses, free. They can get all kinds of free shit. They can get taken care of. The government's got programs for them. What program does the government have for you and me?

[00:41:12] Carl Lanore: [00:41:12] None. I hear they want to tax me zero. They want a tax to be more social.

[00:41:16] Know people who aren't willing to work can have an income

[00:41:20] John Romano: [00:41:20] right there. There is a war on upper class, successful white men and anybody who wants to disagree with that is full of shit.

[00:41:30] Carl Lanore: [00:41:30] Okay, so let's, let's, let's bring this up that this is good. So now, now, now we segue to this one here. Hold on. Let me get this route.

[00:41:37] Suicide by age. Suicide. By ethnicity. Okay. So here's, um, just bear with me one second. The suicide by ethnicity. Oh, I hit the wrong one. I'm sorry, Joe. One

[00:41:49] John Romano: [00:41:49] streaming.

[00:41:50] Carl Lanore: [00:41:50] I got to get rid of that one. Okay, so this is suicide by ethnicity? No, this is, okay. Let's find this is suicide by age. The [00:42:00] predominant age bracket of men who are committing suicide is from 35 to 84.

[00:42:09] So think about that for a second. These aren't kids that are being bullied at school. They're not millennials that, you know, they just didn't grow up with a dad in the home and they don't have, I mean, they could be the next wave of suicide right now, right now. Right. And the, and the group that has the greatest increase in trajectory is the 45 to 54 guys there.

[00:42:31] And they're the guys that are at the point where the kids are in college now. And they are looking out at the rest of their lives and instead of them saying, Oh, this is great, me and the wife will get a place in Florida and we'll spend six months a year there. They're going, okay, I have less people depending on me now.

[00:42:48] I say, I think I can check out now instead.

[00:42:51] John Romano: [00:42:51] I think that group also encompasses the veterans. Yes, absolutely. That is the age group of the [00:43:00] veterans. Look, this is a big thing and it is not talked about enough. And it factors into these statistics for income, ethnicity, age, if fact it factors in all of them.

[00:43:12] These guys are the drivers, I believe, of these statistics because it's too many, 1720 whatever it is a day. It's too many and, and there's nothing being done to help these guys. And if it is, it's woefully inadequate. As evinced by the statistics. So I think we got, I, I don't want to lose track of this. I think as you put these statistics out, you gotta factor in the, the, the, there's a great potential for these statistics to be enhanced because of the number of veterans that are feeding them.

[00:43:48] And I think if you took veterans suicide and brought it from 17 a day down to zero, I think you'd see a lot of these statistics. Flatten

[00:43:58] Carl Lanore: [00:43:58] out. Absolutely. I [00:44:00] agree. And you're right, and, and it's hard. I want to talk about suicides from the standpoint of it's men, but when you start to put them in different silos though, the ones that greatest risks have spent time in the military,

[00:44:16] John Romano: [00:44:16] and it's still men,

[00:44:19] Carl Lanore: [00:44:19] it doesn't change that.

[00:44:21] So the next one I want to put up, you know, hold on, I'm sorry. I'll get better at this. As a. So this one I want to put up and then I'm going to hide this one. So this one shows who's committing suicide by race. Guess who it is. Look at the blue white guys, but followed by, this one's shocked me by native Americans.

[00:44:44] John Romano: [00:44:44] That's interesting.

[00:44:45] Carl Lanore: [00:44:45] I know. I mean, do you have a, you have a, uh, blacks and Asians and so on at the lowest level of the suicides, but by and large. We can say today that [00:45:00] the number of , it's actually 69.4% of all suicides are men. And of that 69% almost 80% of white men middle-aged in upper income bracket.

[00:45:16] Now, where is the coalition to save the endangered. White middle aged man. No. Instead, with vilified every day, we're the only ones that can be racist. We're the only ones that can be massage in us. We're the only ones that can be bigots. We're the only ones that can hate Muslims. Where we we you, you talking about the weight of the world and yes, financial weight is part of that, but the other part of that weight is we are actually, we are actually.

[00:45:44] The oppressed group today because of this, this illusion that we have taken everything from everybody else and no one

[00:45:53] John Romano: [00:45:53] wants to look at that. They, they, they, they are, they are more hellbent on vilifying this group of [00:46:00] this group of people than any other. They want to blame the . They want to blame the upper middle class or older white guy for everything.

[00:46:10] And there's. You're right, there's, there's no outreach. There's no group. There's no nothing that protects or cares about the fact that these guys, a lot of them veterans, these guys are being, are, are often themselves at an unprecedented rate, above and beyond anything else, knowing nobody gives a shit.

[00:46:32] Carl Lanore: [00:46:32] They just don't care. In fact, I just know if, I think if they, if they, if they did realize this, they'd be happy about it. They would be, Oh, well, great, because we got to get rid of him. Remember. Um, there's been talk of like, we need a whole generation to die in order for the world to be better, but just not a whole generation.

[00:46:46] It's a whole generation of white, older guys. That's, that's what we need to get rid of, to make the world better. I mean, and you know what? And these are F look at anybody who's listening to this and going, Oh, you guys are just spewing. Hey, no, these are [00:47:00] statistical facts.

[00:47:01] John Romano: [00:47:01] Exactly. And you know what? It flies in the face of logic because you got one group of people who's vilifying.

[00:47:10] Older white men, successful white men, and you know, white men at the top of the, of the income brackets, the socioeconomic brackets, et cetera, et cetera. Yet you've got a political party who denounces them, wages, war on them, and then their top three guys running for president are old white men, right? So w what the hell are you saying?

[00:47:35] Carl Lanore: [00:47:35] Right.

[00:47:35] John Romano: [00:47:35] Right. You know

[00:47:36] Carl Lanore: [00:47:36] what's the point? I want to also,

[00:47:39] John Romano: [00:47:39] I'm not trying to get political here.

[00:47:40] Carl Lanore: [00:47:40] No, no.

[00:47:41] John Romano: [00:47:41] This Stickley, yes. Like you said, statistically this is a fact. Yes. ID,

[00:47:47] Carl Lanore: [00:47:47] and it's an important fact that we need to start speaking. When you're out in the world, when you're, you're, you're, you're at the, uh, your friend's house having a super bowl party and anything that comes up about [00:48:00] suicide, you have to immediately jump in and say.

[00:48:03] Do you know that 70% of all suicides are men, and of those almost exclusively, 80% are middle aged to older successful white men. People will challenge you. I'm telling you that thread I put up on Facebook the other day just to see what people's perspective was. Not one person. There were, there were several people said veterans.

[00:48:25] Okay? Not one person said. Yeah, it's older white guys. They all said young people are being bullied too much. There's too much. There's too much income inequality. No, those people aren't killing themselves.

[00:48:39] John Romano: [00:48:39] They're not.

[00:48:40] Carl Lanore: [00:48:40] And those are the statistics. It's not like we're making this stuff up. This is, this isn't fake news.

[00:48:45] This is on the actual, if you go to Wikipedia and just search for suicide, they have a whole page dedicated to suicide. These graphs are all from there. This isn't just something that we made up [00:49:00] selectively. Well, we'll use this graph because it supports our bias. Yeah.

[00:49:06] John Romano: [00:49:06] It's, it's funny how the people react that way, but when you, when you hit him with facts a lot of times anymore to hear it, no, you know, cause it, cause it confounds their predetermined belief that, you know, it can't be that, you know,

[00:49:20] Carl Lanore: [00:49:20] no, can't be it.

[00:49:21] And you know what? And the fact that there isn't anyone. Out there in the media talking about this makes me wonder who is saying not to talk about it, because I feel the same way about SSRS and mass shootings. No one ever even asked the question in the media, is there any role of SSRI? Is that somebody go, now we looked and it's not, they don't even ask the question.

[00:49:47] And when you have intelligent people in the business of communication, and for some reason. There's this logical question that should be asked and they don't, I don't think it's by accident. I'm sorry, I'm [00:50:00] not a conspiracy theorist. But conspiracies do happen and there's a reason why that the fact that middle age successful white guys are the ones killing themselves day in and day out is, is, is not discussed at all in the media for a reason.

[00:50:18] And

[00:50:19] John Romano: [00:50:19] what is that reason? Core

[00:50:20] Carl Lanore: [00:50:20] reason is that right now. Thank you, John. You're great. The reason is that right now it is very popular to hate middle age white guys. We are blamed for everything that's wrong with the world today. Everything. You name it and nobody, nobody, nobody's gonna because could you imagine someone in the mainstream media talking about this?

[00:50:45] They'd get letters from every organization die. You know how? Whoa. It's almost like . All lives matter. You say that you're an idiot. You know what I mean? If you said, Oh, a middle aged white guys are the ones that are killing themselves. It's not [00:51:00] the economically a challenge. It's, it's not. It's not the kid that's having a hard time in school and being bullied.

[00:51:05] It's not, it's not them. People won't, they don't that. That's just, that's like saying vegan is bad right now. The message is vegan is good even though it's bad, but if you say it's bad, you will be piled on, and I predict that nobody wants to talk about this in the media because they don't want to get piled onto it.

[00:51:21] John Romano: [00:51:21] No,

[00:51:22] Carl Lanore: [00:51:22] no, but you

[00:51:23] John Romano: [00:51:23] know, what's the solution, Carl? What do we do about this?

[00:51:26] Carl Lanore: [00:51:26] You know, we're going to talk about the solution day. So in radio we hold the most important stuff for the end of the show to keep it

[00:51:34] John Romano: [00:51:34] right.

[00:51:35] Carl Lanore: [00:51:35] We're going to take one quick commercial break, pay some bills. There's one other statistic I want to throw up, and then we're going to talk about what should we be doing?

[00:51:44] And you know what? I think there are things that actually could be done that can help men a lot. So let's, let's go that when we come back, stay tuned. We'll be right back.

[00:51:55] John Romano: [00:51:55] This is the superhuman channel where we use oxygen for the power [00:52:00] of good.

[00:52:02] Carl Lanore: [00:52:02] Welcome back. I lost the image. I had the image of the guy in the white tee shirt. I'll upload it here though. So is one more pesky little fat that people avoid. So earlier when we were talking about. Handguns being the number one reason, the way men checkout.

[00:52:23] I'm sure that there was at least one person in the audience thinking to himself, well, we got rid of handguns. They wouldn't be able to kill themselves. I mean, because, because, you know, look, number one, did the lack of critical thinking in society today. We wouldn't be in the crap places we are today.

[00:52:40] Number two, just like the anti-media agenda. The anti middle aged white guy agenda. There is also, uh, the Antiguan agenda and anything, anything that goes against their mantra, they just dismiss. So this is a pesky little fact. So these are [00:53:00] globally suicide rates. Now let's, let's assume that men in other countries have the same problems.

[00:53:08] Uh, as we do, so let's just assume that maybe it's 50, 50 in other countries, or 60, 40, or maybe it's not 70 30, but the green lines are non gun-related international suicides. The red lines are gun-related international suicides. Notice that. All these long green lines and countries where they don't allow guns.

[00:53:37] Look at, look at Korea. South Korea, they don't use guns. They kill themselves more frequently than we do in America. Look at Hungary. Look at Japan. No guns. So this nonsense must stop that. Guns cause crimes and guns caused suicide. And because you take the guns away [00:54:00] for miserable, sad, hopeless people, and they will kill themselves a different way

[00:54:07] John Romano: [00:54:07] and they'll kill anything else the same way.

[00:54:09] It's got nothing to do with the, with the, with the weapon. It's got to do with the intent. Yes. Period. Yes.

[00:54:16] Carl Lanore: [00:54:16] And we have to stop. We have to stop. Look, I don't care if if, if being with the political party requires you to give up control of your brain, your ability to logic, think logically and critically, then I don't, I say the mission of that party is not worth that.

[00:54:33] And so if you're sitting there going and even thinking that taking guns away from this population going to keep us from committing suicide, you just look at all the other countries out there that commit more suicides than us. Without guns, without, if, if there is a

[00:54:50] John Romano: [00:54:50] will, there is a way period. And you see, I have personal experience with this.

[00:54:56] I know somebody was very dear to me. Killed [00:55:00] themselves. They were on suicide watch in a hospital with no shoelaces. Okay? She found a way to hang herself. You know, they're, if they're, you can take every possible means away. If you are going to kill yourself, don't beat your head on the desk, whatever. If you're in that much pain and you want to shut it off and you're only, you're only out is killing yourself, then you're going to kill yourself.

[00:55:28] It doesn't matter if there's a gun and knife or rock a pipe, it doesn't matter, right? You're going to do it

[00:55:34] Carl Lanore: [00:55:34] and look at the U S line. It's beautiful. Looks like Christmas time. To me, it's almost equivalent. Green and red line. If we took guns away from this population, the green line would extend all the way out.

[00:55:45] It would be no red line. We wouldn't have less suicides. We would just have less suicides with guns.

[00:55:50] John Romano: [00:55:50] Right? Less mess.

[00:55:52] Carl Lanore: [00:55:52] So now the hard part, what does all this mean and how do we help [00:56:00] men? What do you think

[00:56:03] John Romano: [00:56:03] I, there's a couple of pro prongs to that. Uh, equation in my mind. Okay. I think first and foremost, it should just be acknowledged one way or another that this is a group of people who matter.

[00:56:18] And instead of piling all of the world's ills on our heads, you should take a look at what we really deal with day to day and understand that we're human too. We have emotions just like you do, and, and the fact that we are the, the, the end of the road, the buck stopping spot on the map, that it puts an undue amount of stress on that.

[00:56:47] Faction of society. Okay. And it just does. I, I think I, you know, I harp on the veterans because it's, like I said, it's, it's near and dear to my heart. And I, I still believe if you take the [00:57:00] veteran suicide rate away, I think these numbers are gonna would flatten out a lot. And with respect to veterans, there's gotta be a lot more done for them in terms of acknowledging their issues.

[00:57:14] But you know what? What can you do day to day just on the streets, just the average guy. I think one thing that would help a lot is to just acknowledge that veterans did this job and they did it for you. So when you see, when you see a, um, a serviceman or woman in uniform, just say, thank you. Thank you for your service.

[00:57:35] You see them in line and McDonald's buying, buying their lunch, spend five bucks and buy their big Mac Fordham. You know, any random act of kindness could, could significantly impact somebody who doesn't think anybody cares about them,

[00:57:52] Carl Lanore: [00:57:52] but the other. That's true. The other thing that I think when I think about suicide, where would you have to be mentally to want to commit suicide?

[00:58:00] [00:58:00] I think that you have to be in a place in your life. Where you've lost hope. If you have hope, hope that the pain will go away. Hope that, uh, the job will come in time. Hope that someone will reach out and help you bear the burden of your, your load. And I really think that in the case of, in the case of veterans and, and I've had, you know, so.

[00:58:30] I had a couple of guys on my show. Um, we used to do an episode called military fitness radio, um, with Nate Marson. Nate was deployed like, I dunno, 26 times. I mean, the guy's like an American hero, and now he's pulling wire up in Oregon and he loves his life and, you know, but we, we did a show with him and another guy, I can't think of his name, I think it was Nathan Craig.

[00:58:53] Actually. Both of these guys are like super soldiers. You know, they've, they've been in special forces. Nate was. Nate was a [00:59:00] paramilitary. He was actually a, I stand to be corrected, but I think he was actually a recruited by Ross Perot. When they went into get those people out of Iran. He was involved somehow.

[00:59:10] Anyway. Um, we talked about the notion of, uh, of post traumatic stress disorder. Now these are two military guys. They explained it very differently than we think, right? We think of like, remember when we were young, there was always that guy that he was shell shocked. Your father thought when he shell shock from before too, you know, they got so traumatized from the blast and the bond guns and the body parts, everything that they just never recovered.

[00:59:38] But there's another type. So you have guys that, uh, drive driving a $50 million whatever tank. They're in charge of $1 billion missile. Uh, they are hitting the ground like a group of, of orchestrated Wolf pack is the way they talked about it on the show that day. And they're moving in sync [01:00:00] and they're in the zone.

[01:00:01] We always hear about the zone, you know, skateboarders, while I'm in the zone and, and scares while I was in his own. Well, those guys go into the zone when they're killing and the rush that they get. And Nate said it, he goes, two weeks ago I was building a nation. And now you want me to grovel for a job at the post office.

[01:00:23] Like two months ago, I was in charge of 60 guys, billions of dollars worth of equipment, and we were out there literally like reshaping the map though. That was what I was on my shoulders. And now you're telling me I can't get a job at the counter at, at, at, at Napa auto parts. So I think that these guys get, they'd get into positions in the military.

[01:00:47] That should be, we should be in awe of them. Instead, we're in awe of, you know, Richard Branson and, and, and, and these other people who've made a lot of money, but these guys really deserve our all, they don't get [01:01:00] it when they come back, as you point out, say thank you, but more importantly then you want them to grovel for a $15 an hour job.

[01:01:08] John Romano: [01:01:08] Yeah.

[01:01:10] Carl Lanore: [01:01:10] Yeah. It's hard for them to do that,

[01:01:12] John Romano: [01:01:12] you know, when you get out of prison. Okay. You've been in prison for a long time. You go to a halfway house, you get job training, you get psychiatric evaluation, you get a parole officer, you have to visit, you know, every day to show them how you every week or month, whatever, to show him how you're doing.

[01:01:32] Okay. You have a systematic plan of re-introducing this person to society. The military, they just let you out.

[01:01:41] Carl Lanore: [01:01:41] They don't,

[01:01:42] John Romano: [01:01:42] they, you, you could've been, you know, killing people on Tuesday, on Saturday. You're back in Kansas, you know, but what are you expected to do? So I think the, these issues have got to be dealt with.

[01:01:55] They've got to be recognized. They've got to be dealt with, um, in the [01:02:00] big picture. I also, you know, what's, with respect to military, with respect to everybody else, um, there's. There is no guy on the sir guy or girl on this earth that somebody, you know, that kills themselves and people say, Oh, we never saw that coming.

[01:02:19] Oh, they were just so happy yesterday. You know, th th there's their signs, there's signs, you know, th th th there's signs to this and this. People got to pay attention to these signs and, and help. Your fellow man. When you, these signs come up and say, look man, dude, you know, you're all right. You know you need some help.

[01:02:39] You got it. You want to talk, you know, see what? I have some coffee. Let me tell me what's on your mind. Or, or, and, you know, deeper than that to seek to help someone seek some, some psychiatric evaluation, psychiatric health. There's, there's nobody that does, that kills themselves, that had no [01:03:00] symptoms, no sign.

[01:03:01] If there is, it is the, it is the fringe. It is the absolute, you know, minuscule, you know, a granular, um, aspect of all of these statistics. By and large, if you kill yourself, there were signs.

[01:03:16] Carl Lanore: [01:03:16] Absolutely decided that the close to the close people, there are outward, visible signs. But sometimes the first sign is they go radio silence.

[01:03:24] So I'm like this. When things go tough for my life. I stopped reaching out to people. I kind of hole up and I, cause I don't want to tell you about my problems. And I wish John Crisler killed himself a couple of years ago now. And, uh, and you know, he and I used to talk regularly and then all of a sudden I got busy and he got busy and we just didn't talk.

[01:03:47] And then one morning I woke up and they said, Hey, did you hear John Criswell hung himself. And I ended up doing a show to pay homage to his life because the guy contributed so much to man and hormone replacement therapy. [01:04:00] And I still don't know what, from the outside, the guy had everything, had a thriving practice.

[01:04:05] He had notoriety. He was a keynote speaker at a forum meetings. He had money. He had a beautiful, uh, girlfriend. He was about to marry. Like he didn't look from here, from here for me. I, I thought for a year, I wish I would have picked up the phone and called him. I hadn't spoken to him in so long that wasn't like him.

[01:04:24] I wish I would have picked up the phone. And so sometimes the sign is they go radio silent. You haven't heard from somebody, pick up the phone and call them because you may call them right at the right time where you change your perspective on life. And I just had this so. Good friend of mine that I'm not gonna mention his name.

[01:04:43] He lives out in California. He's had a string of successes, and he's not where he used to be in his own words. I'm not where I should be. And that's another dangerous attitude to have. And, and, and I know, and I w and he, he, he replied to me and he said, thanks so much for reaching out. [01:05:00] Like, and I know he really meant that because he's sad.

[01:05:04] So if somebody is missing, all of a sudden the, I haven't heard from so-and-so, reach out to them. That's number one.

[01:05:10] John Romano: [01:05:10] That's a big one.

[01:05:12] Carl Lanore: [01:05:12] The other thing I think is the sense of hopelessness. We can do things for people. Well, you know, you never know what that thing is that actually can instill hope in somebody.

[01:05:26] Again, you know? But we can do things for people. If you, if somebody is really down on their luck. They're really having a hard time and will, looking at them and going, man, but I can see how you can straighten out your life. Then help them jump in and say, you know, I think that if you would do this, we could fix this problem.

[01:05:44] The problem is everybody is so busy today, nobody wants to take a minute out of their time. Because we're, we're all so busy. I'm guilty of this too. I get literally a hundred emails and messages a day of tick people asking me what can I do? It takes me [01:06:00] a long time to go through those emails, but I reply to all of them because I really feel this way about it.

[01:06:07] Some day I'm going to die and my legacy is going to be the people I helped. That's all was going to be. That's it. That's all it's going to be. So look to look, to help somebody try to pitch in. And they don't want money. 99 times out of a hundred these guys, they got money, they got money, but they lost hope.

[01:06:24] Something is missing. They just don't have the hope left anymore. They don't want to go on.

[01:06:29] John Romano: [01:06:29] I also think it's faith. We have done such a good job of taking God at an everything in America, and I am by no means a religious fanatic. I don't go to church. I don't do any of that, okay? But I have, you know, spiritual.

[01:06:46] Beliefs that I practice that are my own, and they should be. Um, but I think we need a little religion back in America. You know, put, put God back into where we took them [01:07:00] away from. Because if, if you're, if a lot of people feel desperate because they have no, they have no faith. They have no hope, but they have no faith either.

[01:07:09] And I don't think that if you had a community. That cared about the people, like people find in church, um, synagogue, whatever, that, that you're more likely to cling onto that faith rather than off yourself because it teaches you the value of your life and what you can bring to other people. Some people think that they just don't matter.

[01:07:37] You know, and, and the, and that's, like I said, I am not a religious

[01:07:41] Carl Lanore: [01:07:41] phenomenon like you, but you, you were raised Italian, you were raised Catholic, right? You were Italian from Brooklyn. Yep. So we did our confirmation or communion. We would baptize all sort of stuff. But then when we got older, we were like, uh, we, we know, we, we see, we see through a lot of things, but the [01:08:00] big value of religion is not the religion itself.

[01:08:04] But it's the community that you get from religion, commune all upon your people believing in something bigger than themselves. Listen, we created religion for a reason because one of the biggest flaws in the human condition is that we want to know our outcome. I mean, maybe all the animals do this too. I don't know.

[01:08:26] But they don't talk my language, so I can't have a conversation with them, but we don't like uncertainty. So what we have done is we started to believe in symbolism and power larger than ourselves, because that gave us the courage to go on. That gave us the courage to believe. And if you look at religion, you'll find the most religious populations are the ones at the bottom of the socioeconomic rung.

[01:08:55] John Romano: [01:08:55] Right,

[01:08:56] Carl Lanore: [01:08:56] right. They are the ones that believe that God is going to take care of me. God's going to [01:09:00] provide, God will get me out of this. God will open doors for me. You know, the Italians will like that. When we came to the United States, the blacks, I liked that because they had to endorse slavery. They had to believe that there was somebody better, bigger out there that was going to extricate them from this misery.

[01:09:13] The Mexican population, big, big, big God fearing people, big community people. When you look at the stratification, and maybe that's why. The guys at the top, they've given up all hope because they've lost all faith. They have nothing that they can believe in but themselves, and they feel like, I can't do this.

[01:09:30] Nobody's going to help me. Maybe if we can even find a way to cause hope and faith go hand in hand. If we can help these guys have faith that something is going to change and hope that tomorrow will be different. Maybe we can turn lives around and

[01:09:47] John Romano: [01:09:47] the knowledge that in the belief that life is sacred.

[01:09:52] You know, the religion teaches you that life is sacred, that you know, all life is sacred, including yours. You know, [01:10:00] and I, I think you'd be much less likely to take it if that was the case. But we have, like I said before, we have done a really good job of extricating God from America, from school, from, from everywhere.

[01:10:17] Nobody wants to, nobody wants to, you know, talk about the Bible. Prayer group, religion, religious, you know, church populations or communities are going down all and, and we have these, I don't know if you can ex exactly, you know, connect the dots, but you can't ignore it either. I mean, we have a highest suicide rate ever in America right now.

[01:10:40] And the lowest. The lowest participation in church. You can't say one's got nothing to do with the other. You can't say that it does, but, but logically, if you look at it, if you look at hope and faith going hand in hand, where's the best place to find hope and faith? [01:11:00] I look, I was in prison. I saw tons of these guys who were the abject worst of the worst, and you know, they get a life sentence thrown in front of them.

[01:11:09] Now they're carrying around a Bible. You know they're not doing it cause they think it's going to get them out of jail. It's not that, but they got to believe in something. Yes. They gotta believe in something and the ones that don't, a lot of them kill themselves.

[01:11:23] Carl Lanore: [01:11:23] That's a really good point. They don't know.

[01:11:25] They don't think it's going to get them out of jail, but it's going to make living in jail a little bit easier if they have hope and belief that there's something bigger than them at work on their behalf.

[01:11:36] John Romano: [01:11:36] At the very least, it gives you a purpose because you, for a purpose is for nothing else, but to serve God, you're probably not going to kill yourself.

[01:11:48] Carl Lanore: [01:11:48] And ironically, not Dr. George , when I posted that thing about today's show, he said, ah, I believe that most of the men who commit suicide, uh, are not, uh, religious [01:12:00] because, uh, in Christianity it's a sin and Catholic Catholicism, it's a sin to commit suicide. And, and I said, but they're still committing suicide.

[01:12:09] And he said, that's very sad. And that's because I really think they also haven't really believed in anything bigger than themselves that could take the pain away. The other problem is I, you know what? I want to take one last break. I just had an epiphany. The other problem, okay, let let, let's do this.

[01:12:28] Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll come back and we'll wrap up the show. Stay tuned. And we'll tell you about John's new podcast that's coming out. State

[01:12:34] John Romano: [01:12:34] evolution just got kicked up a nudge.

[01:12:41] Carl Lanore: [01:12:41] Welcome back. Before we get into this next topic real quick, so you got a new podcast you're launching with Rick Collins,

[01:12:49] John Romano: [01:12:49] right? Rich gets Fari.

[01:12:52] Carl Lanore: [01:12:52] Oh, a

[01:12:53] John Romano: [01:12:53] better. Excellent.

[01:12:56] Carl Lanore: [01:12:56] So tell, tell, tell the audience about it, where, where will they be able to find it once [01:13:00] it's up?

[01:13:01] John Romano: [01:13:01] It will be on iTunes. It'll be on our side, Spotify.

[01:13:04] It'll be all over the place. Uh, hopefully we'll put a pixel on your, a website. You're also, if you'll let us, it's, it's called fitness fame and fortune, and it's, it's, you know, it's not your typical bodybuilding podcast where we talk about reps and sets and meatheads and competing and, you know, blah, blah, blah.

[01:13:21] And although, you know, I do couple of podcasts that are RX muscle, they're, they're just kinda goofy, fun, you know, shows that we just. It gets silly with, but fitness, fame and fortune is going to be a, a serious show that talks about, you know, the, the, the financial aspects of, of this sport. And of course, you know, first comes the fitness, so that we're going to talk a little bit about that.

[01:13:45] Then comes the fame. And we're going to talk a little bit about that. How you comport yourself, how you manage your fame, how you get famous, what you do to when you are famous, the certain responsibilities that you have when you are famous or getting famous. Things of that [01:14:00] nature. And then, and then the fortune, you know, how do you make money off of this?

[01:14:03] How do you make. How do you make money off, off of fitness? And we've got a whole bunch of people that are guests who are going to be guests on our shows, guys who have made money off the sport from all different areas. Guys like Mark Bell who made money off equipment. Guys like I'm a big Frank, big Frank who's, who's, who was, you know, part of 5% with rich piano.

[01:14:28] How he, how he made money, uh, and manage this fame and, you know, got famous. Um. Uh, Ben Polsky's, a great guest we're going to have on who's do, does a great job. There's tons of the people. I mean, I can't think of all of them at the top of my head, but we have a list and a lot of the shows will just be rich and I talking about, you know,

[01:14:48] Carl Lanore: [01:14:48] between the two of you.

[01:14:50] Uh, I mean, rich has had great success. A great fortune, great fame. I mean, he was there at Gold's gym during the, the, you know, the golden era of bodybuilding. [01:15:00] Uh, and, and one, he was an amazing competitor. He, he rolled that into a supplement business and just blew it up. But, you know, rich has some real life stories too, cause rich has had, he's had some hard times.

[01:15:12] I mean, he, he had a divorce that really could have, would have, I think his divorce would've made a lot of guys commit suicide.

[01:15:21] John Romano: [01:15:21] Or, or at the very least, put him on the bread line.

[01:15:23] Carl Lanore: [01:15:23] Yeah. I mean, and the guy, you know, you gotta, you gotta admire a guy who picks himself up, dusts himself off, and starts to walk again because everything that he's looking at from what just went on in his life and his mind is saying, that's it.

[01:15:41] You're done. And, and, and, and it's almost like. It's like that aunt dragging that Cheerio back to the whole, like, it's 10 times bigger than him, but he's just not going to, he has no other option. There's no other way for this to end for him. He's got to get up and he's got to start walking again. Rick

[01:15:57] John Romano: [01:15:57] is an animal, isn't there, is [01:16:00] nothing that will stop this guy and you know, and he claws him see clauses way back up and that's what he does.

[01:16:06] And that's, you know, that's part and parcel of what I believe will be the success of this podcast is that we're going to share this. The, this information and these, these tax with everybody to show him how to do it. You know, and there's, you know, social media is, is a great tool and it can be a great weapon or a great detriment depending on how you use it.

[01:16:30] Um, P and all these, a lot of these guys or, and girls who say, Oh, I have, you know, 4 million followers. Well, that doesn't mean you have 4 million people willing to give you money. Then you have 4 million people who've looked at you. How do you monetize those, those views, those likes and those followers?

[01:16:49] There's ways of doing it. Um, there there's ways of comporting yourself that, that are more attracting than repelling. A lot of these guys that get famous people can't stand them. You know, the, the [01:17:00] one nothing to do with them. So there's, there's a whole, I think there's a whole basket of items that we can take care of on this podcast to pull from, you know, our 70 years of combined experience in this business to help people, you know, take fitness and fame and create fortune out of it.

[01:17:17] Yeah. That's very cool.

[01:17:18] Carl Lanore: [01:17:18] So the last thing I want to talk about on the, the discussion about a suicide. And again, it's 70% men. So I don't care if you're a black guy or a Chinese guy, you're a Hispanic guy. Listen to the show. Understand men, commit suicide. You are part of this endangered group of individuals right now.

[01:17:38] Correct. And so there's an interesting fact, boy, babies grow cry more frequently than girl babies until they turn six

[01:17:51] John Romano: [01:17:51] they gets six.

[01:17:53] Carl Lanore: [01:17:53] If I remember. And then they stop crying. And not all of them stop at six. I'm [01:18:00] seven, so I'm eight. But at some point in time they stop crying. And as the father of boys, I think you and I can have an interesting perspective on this.

[01:18:10] So we teach boys to suck it up. Stiff upper lip. Nobody likes somebody who's complaining, don't complain, you know? And. We see this at the end of like my father when he died, my mother said to me, no matter what was going on with him, he never complained. And that was seen as a, uh, a male virtue. If you were a guy who gave it your all and you didn't make one complaint, you didn't expect anybody to pay attention to you while you're doing it, you are really immense.

[01:18:44] You were real man. But think about that for a second. What we're basically teaching all boys is. In order to be a real man, you got to bottle up all your emotions and swallow them down. Where I know for a fact, at some point in your life, it's going to destroy [01:19:00] you. Think about the message we're sending the boys

[01:19:03] John Romano: [01:19:03] today, right?

[01:19:05] Yeah. Big boys. Don't cry. Suck it up, buttercup. You know? And, and that's, that's very true. You know, boys and men are also human. Yeah. You know, and we have human tendencies and we act like humans, and our brains are human. And you can't take the human out of the man, you know? So it's, it's imperative that people understand this and realize that you can't keep the weight of the world bottled up inside of you to the point where it causes you to put a gun in your mouth.

[01:19:39] You've got to really let this shit out. Talk to people, you know, let it go. Go get therapy. Go, go to church, go somewhere where you know, you, you can let this stuff out and, and you know, not bottle it up inside. Learn that you're not alone. That there's other people that think of what you're thinking. That there's ways around it, that there's, there's hope, [01:20:00] you know?

[01:20:01] Carl Lanore: [01:20:01] But the other, the other side of that is we as men have to be willing. To allow a man to come to us that's in an emotional, that's emotionally distraught and, and talk to us about it because one of the things that we do as men, since we're, we're programmed, suck it up. Uh, you know, don't complain. That's what a man does.

[01:20:25] When the guy comes to us and say, opens up and says, I've been so depressed, man, I don't know what's wrong with me. Do we really? Do we really respond appropriately or do we, we get uncomfortable because we see it our own in ourselves that frailty and humanness and it shuts us off. We're like, Oh man, I don't want to deal with this.

[01:20:46] You know, it's no joke. It's no mystery that women. I'm much better at expressing their emotions than men. Sure. It's got to change. And one of the reasons that women are more [01:21:00] easily ex express their emotions is because other women will sit and listen and they don't feel like, Oh man, I'm out. You know, of you and I grew up in Brooklyn where kindness was seen as weakness.

[01:21:14] Remember that old saying? And he took kindness for weakness.

[01:21:16] John Romano: [01:21:16] Right? Right. Well, you know, it's your friends. A lot of times you, you know, you get busy, you get successful, you get wrapped up in your stuff and you lose, you lose your friends and you end up with nobody to talk to because you can't talk to your girlfriend or your wife about these things.

[01:21:34] You got to talk to it. You got to talk to one of your bros. you know, and I think one of those characteristics of older, old six older successful men that fall into this high rate of suicide, they don't have any friends. The, the, the most successful guys I know have the fewest personal relationships. They don't have the guy that they can just call up at two o'clock in the morning one day [01:22:00] and go, Hey man, I got to go get a beer.

[01:22:01] You know, come with me. You know, I, I, it's, something's on my mind. I gotta talk to her or just call the guy up and say, Hey dude, what are you doing? I was, I got this, I've been worried about this thing, or I've been thinking about this, or this has been troubling me. You don't, they don't have that. And. I'm blessed.

[01:22:17] I have, I have a handful of, of solid dudes that I've been friends with for decades, and these are the guys that I know and that each of us will take a bullet for each other, you know, and, and you, you need that. You got to have, you've got to have friends, you've got to have relationships. And as easy as it is to lose track.

[01:22:36] Oh, these people in these relationships. As you get older and more successful and more wrapped up in your life and what you're doing, don't let those go because you need these guys. You ever hear the expression, no man is an Island that that's what they're talking about. You know, you're, you're not in this alone.

[01:22:53] You're not, a lot of times, you know, relieving it is to think there's something wrong with you. This guy, you got something going on [01:23:00] and all, and you start talking about, and you think you're the only one with it. You're the only guy you know that's got this issue, and then you talk to one of your buddies.

[01:23:07] They go, yeah, I do that. I get the same thing. You know what a relief that is to realize that you're not alone. I got somebody else to feels exactly the same way,

[01:23:17] Carl Lanore: [01:23:17] and you never

[01:23:18] John Romano: [01:23:18] know that unless you open your mouth, right?

[01:23:21] Carl Lanore: [01:23:21] No. That's all good points. And we don't pretend to have all the answers, but what I do hope this show does is this starts, those of us.

[01:23:31] Thinking about this, that 70% of all suicides are perpetrated by men, middle aged men, middle aged men, and that there is something wrong. If 70% of suicides were women, there would be marches on Washington. That'd be coalitions. There would be groups fighting on behalf of women. Let's find out what we can do for them.

[01:23:56] But because we're men. And we are [01:24:00] supposed to be strong and not need help. We're supposed to have it all going on. We have, you know, we put on this front that we have it all going on. We, we trap ourselves in a box where now we can't even go and talk and ask people for help. So that has to change. The first thing has to be, we just not just start to tell people, did you know that 70% of all successful suicide successful is a key point?

[01:24:21] Of course, women try more often than men. Do you know, 70% of all successful suicides. Amen. Middle aged men. What's going on with middle age men? Ask people to answer you. Let them think about it. Let them start thinking. Maybe they'll go home and they'll say to their father, did you know him? Oh yeah. I believe it if people started talking about it, because there's a lot of women out there who love us, and I think that the women who love men that are in this group.

[01:24:50] Would want us to stay alive and maybe they can help us. Maybe they can help us matriculate and figure out how to start discussing these issues where [01:25:00] we're not just Cavachon, you know, you go out to the bar, you drink, uh, my wife doesn't want to have sex with me. Well, that's, that's one. But when you have real problems that are weighing heavy on you, that you feel like there's no hope in your life, that's when men should talk.

[01:25:14] That's when men become quiet.

[01:25:17] John Romano: [01:25:17] Yes, absolutely. Great point

[01:25:20] Carl Lanore: [01:25:20] here. Here you're looking at this, an officer is twice as likely to die by his own handgun. Then perps they can talk about their issues in fear. They can't talk about the issues of fear of losing their jobs. That's interesting. So we're talking about law enforcement now, right?

[01:25:37] Yeah. They just, they just drink. They just, they, they just drink. I have, I've had cops in my family. They all just drink. That's, they do. Th

[01:25:46] John Romano: [01:25:46] th they are, they are fulfilling. What are the most thankless jobs in the world? You're not kidding.

[01:25:53] Carl Lanore: [01:25:53] And

[01:25:53] John Romano: [01:25:53] I don't know of any other occupation where you are. The second you put your uniform on, you're [01:26:00] hated,

[01:26:01] Carl Lanore: [01:26:01] hated

[01:26:02] John Romano: [01:26:02] by, uh, by a tremendous group of people.

[01:26:05] Hated, misunderstood. Miscategorized. Vilified some, you know, look, some of them deserve it, but the far majority, the far majority do not. These people are doing a job that if they stopped doing it tomorrow, you'd be the first one.

[01:26:22] Carl Lanore: [01:26:22] Dude, I've said that before. Like in some of these cities where they're like, Oh, the cops are pigs.

[01:26:26] The cops that is, I say, you know what? The cops should do just for two days. Don't show up for work.

[01:26:32] John Romano: [01:26:32] Everyone's sick.

[01:26:33] Carl Lanore: [01:26:33] Everybody said, Oh yeah, we got the flu. We got get a note from . You got a doctor who's a good friend. You get to know all the cops take off for two days. The havoc and the chaos in the streets in two days.

[01:26:45] Everybody be screaming, where are the police? Where the police, Oh, now you now remember there was a guy up in Antifa who was like so vocal about police brutality and we got to get rid [01:27:00] of all the cops and then he got mugged. And he was pissed off because the cops didn't get there fast enough. That was a jump two years ago.

[01:27:09] John Romano: [01:27:09] It's, it's, it's it, you know, there's people who will just say, I hate cops. You know what? I got arrested by cops many more times than once. If anybody should hate cops, it's me. Right. Okay. I don't hate cops cause we need them. Because when the shit hits the fan, you're going to want one there. First of all, every time I got arrested, I deserved it.

[01:27:31] So

[01:27:31] Carl Lanore: [01:27:31] that was, that's the point I was going to make. Go ahead. Go ahead.

[01:27:35] John Romano: [01:27:35] Yeah, I mean, I absolutely deserved, it was my fault. It wasn't the cop's fault. It's my fault. And if you look at any of these.

[01:27:41] Carl Lanore: [01:27:41] Cop

[01:27:41] John Romano: [01:27:41] shootings, cop, most of them are justified because you got some stupid asshole who thinks he's going to stand up to the cop and talk about his rights, not listen to them, refuse to comply, and all that.

[01:27:55] Then they ended up getting killed and everybody goes, Oh, it's the cops fault. Right? It's not the cops fault. It's your [01:28:00] fault. Right. That's why you're dead. Right. So the, the, it's, it's just .

[01:28:05] Carl Lanore: [01:28:05] Everything is too

[01:28:06] John Romano: [01:28:06] skewed. It's this, this society has fucked itself up in a tremendous way, and

[01:28:16] Carl Lanore: [01:28:16] I think we're coming to the end that it.

[01:28:17] Let's let, let's go ahead and ended on that. It's been a great show. If we missed anything on This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. send us your questions, comments, we appreciate them. John, thanks a lot, brother.

[01:28:28] John Romano: [01:28:28] Thank you. Sorry, I said what had happened there. No, no. Thank a veteran. When you're out there, thank a veteran, you know, service.

[01:28:38] Carl Lanore: [01:28:38] I pull up next to cops now and if they look over at me, I give them the thumbs up. Yup. Thumbs up. And you know what? They could pull me over and give me a ticket five seconds later, but I still appreciate they do that job.

[01:28:49] John Romano: [01:28:49] You probably deserved it. So

[01:28:51] Carl Lanore: [01:28:51] yeah, cause I was speed if I was speeding. Right, exactly

[01:28:53] John Romano: [01:28:53] right.

[01:28:54] I told him, when you see a veteran out there, thank him for his service, shake his hand. Say thank you. [01:29:00] Buy his lunch. Thank a veteran.

[01:29:02] Carl Lanore: [01:29:02] So tomorrow we have an amazing show of you're a big fan of peptides and you're all going and listening to all these podcasts, my podcast, other people's podcasts, trying to get the facts and information so you can use peptides.

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