[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] Welcome back to another episode of super human radio. Today is February 12th, 2020 for those of you listening to this show a hundred years from now and realizing that we will way ahead of the curve. Today's show is really important because finding ways to stick to. Uh, your commitment to physical culture, which we know is the foundation of everything healthy.

[00:00:26] Uh, you, you will, if you have a disease state, you will do better. If you always exercise, uh, you will fare better. And making it easier for people to live up to their commitments is crucial. Whether it be diet, whether it be exercise or whatever. And today we're going to be talking about a very, very interesting, a stationary bike that you can put in your home that could actually be life changing for you.

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[00:01:18] My guest today is retina sing. How are you doing right now? How are you?

[00:01:22] Ratna Singh: [00:01:22] Thank you, Karl. How are you?

[00:01:24] Carl Lanore: [00:01:24] Good. Could you move to your right just a little bit to your right? Yep. You're right. No, the other way. There we go. There you go. Perfect. Cause we want to see your beautiful face here in America because you are in the UK, right?

[00:01:35] I

[00:01:35] Ratna Singh: [00:01:35] am. I mean London.

[00:01:36] Carl Lanore: [00:01:36] Yes, yes, yes, yes. Uh, I've always dreamt of taking the show on the road and going and living in the UK because I love the UK so much and I thought that would be really an interesting thing for me to do. And I could do that because as long as I have telephone and internet, I could do my job.

[00:01:52] So there you go. You may find me living in, in your city soon.

[00:01:56] Ratna Singh: [00:01:56] You're very welcome. Despite Brexit. You are very [00:02:00] welcome.

[00:02:00] Carl Lanore: [00:02:00] There you go. So, um, I want to start at the beginning here. Um, uh, Carol, uh, which is a car dot O. Dot. L, which stands for cardiovascular optimization. Logic is an, is a, is a, uh, an artificial intelligence driven stationary bike that allows people to get so much more out of there.

[00:02:25] Time spent exercising, and let's face it, none of us want to go and train hard and get nothing for it. We want to use the least amount of time and get the greatest results. How did you even w how did this start? The venturing into building this, uh, this, this exercise bike? She'll

[00:02:46] Ratna Singh: [00:02:46] so. None of my team is from the fitness industry.

[00:02:54] Well, either science scientists, um, biologists, mechanical engineers. [00:03:00] Data scientists, doctors. Now, the Genesis of all of this was, uh, several years ago as a management consultant. Um, I was doing a disease management program in Abu Dhabi where diabetes is the second highest in the world. And I couldn't get people to exercise.

[00:03:17] And so I was thinking, how do I do this? How do I do this? And, um, you know, came across the science of high intensity training and thought, okay, massive impact on. Yeah, your insulin sensitivity. And so for a basics, it would be incredible as a short amount of time. And so I went away and, you know, bought a bike and tried to do this thing myself.

[00:03:38] I'm not betting, but I'm an exercise phobe like a lot of people are. I thought it would be great for me. Well, because, you know, try and get me in the, um. In the, uh, in, in the gym is, is,

[00:03:51] Carl Lanore: [00:03:51] I mean, let's be honest. I mean, there are some, there are probably a lot more people in my audience than the average audience.

[00:03:57] Who actually love [00:04:00] to train. I've come to the conclusion that over the past 14 years, I've attracted just the way they have a working class dogs, a working class. We have working class humans or working group humans. We like to expend energy, but the majority of people really don't. The idea of even getting up and walking for a half hour quite often isn't really appealing to most people.

[00:04:22] Ratna Singh: [00:04:22] Nope. Nope. And that's the problem. You know, and that's the problem we hope to, um, address, but call even people like you and your audience who love to work out. Carol is, is so popular with people like that because it takes them to a level they've never been to. And I'm sure we'll discuss that in a minute.

[00:04:47] But just to give you again, honestly, your question about why we did this, it was really complete serendipity. And once, once we understood that it's [00:05:00] not a case of just getting on your bike. Turning up the resistance and hope for the best. Um, because you know, and if you go to the, the poetry is where all the scientists are.

[00:05:09] They using very specialized exercise bikes. They using, you know, physical weights, and there's always a, an exercise physiologist. Next to the subject, you know, adjusting all the settings, et cetera. And these, these bikes that they use are clunky. They're huge. They're ugly. So for us to be able to create what exists in the laboratory from an equipment perspective, we have to create Carroll.

[00:05:35] Um, luckily the technology was there. For us to be able to do that. And we also have to replace the exercise physiologists, which is why the AI exists

[00:05:47] Carl Lanore: [00:05:47] now. Um, high intensity interval training became invoke probably six or seven years ago, I would say. It really started to reach the masses and everybody started to [00:06:00] hear, well, you know, sprinting a couple of times is, is, uh, is more important than a slow state.

[00:06:08] Oh, cardio. But really, Carol kind of integrates the two. Right? Well,

[00:06:13] Ratna Singh: [00:06:13] it does integrate. True. But, and this is where I really want to sort of, um, dispel some of the myths around high intensity training. Because if I said to, if you said to me, brought in a go up on the street and spreads, I'll probably only sprint to about 50% of my capacity

[00:06:31] Carl Lanore: [00:06:31] right.

[00:06:32] Ratna Singh: [00:06:32] And I would have, if you said to me, how was that? I'd say, Oh my God, that was really hard work. You know? I would have thought I've done very well, but from a physical perspective, it wouldn't have been as much as I can do. And that's the whole point of the scientific hit and what you know you can say is commercial hit.

[00:06:52] Because if you do it properly, you won't be able to do a sprint at full [00:07:00] power. For more than a few seconds, and the idea is at the end of 20 seconds, you will be at absolute fatigue and you will reach your peak Paolo within the first five to 10 seconds after that to power will stop. Sorry, stop to drop.

[00:07:20] And why did the 20 seconds most people are screaming for an epidural. Because of, uh, you know, the, the depletion of your energy stores in your thighs, et cetera. So that's what I say. So there is hit and there is the scientific hit, if you want to call it that, or if you want to call it that. And the reason people haven't been able to do the scientific hit is simply because there was no ability to do so.

[00:07:48] Carl Lanore: [00:07:48] While there's the letter, you have to be able to track it and you have to be able to adjust it. Yeah, but, but more importantly, something that you said, I, I wanna, I don't want to go too fast over this nuance because there's a lot of people out [00:08:00] there listening to this show going, look, I do hit now, you know?

[00:08:02] No, you really don't. And I'll tell you why. Because the body has built in feedback loops that govern, uh, energy output, and they work through something called perceived exertion. Exactly. So what, what happens is you feel like you're working as hard as you can and you start to slow down. But the reality is if there's feedback between your body and the device, it knows you've got more and it's going to ask you to do more.

[00:08:33] If you don't have the machine asking you to do more, you're going to go, that was it. I did the best I could. No, you actually could do a lot better.

[00:08:43] Ratna Singh: [00:08:43] Kinda couldn't have put it better myself. That is exactly the point. So you know, if I, I bet you, if you, if even an athlete, I would say, you could ask them, you know, how much is your peak power?

[00:08:55] And they'll just say like, I'm just making this up. No, 600 bucks. [00:09:00] I bet you they could probably do 800 it's just that they haven't been. Um, pushed enough to be able to do that.

[00:09:07] Carl Lanore: [00:09:07] Well, part of the pushing all of us, even athletes, right? I mean, I've injured myself over my career because I have pushed myself to limits that my body said, well, now you've gone too far and we're going to punish you.

[00:09:20] And the reality is that. Um, there are these feedback loops that actually protect the heart. They protect skeletal muscle. There's this whole appropriate septic mechanism going back and forth with the brain, like nanoseconds. It's always checking to see where you are and you are naturally going to not push as hard as you can because you want to protect yourself.

[00:09:45] So if you have a device that's reading you, like the ones in the labs do, and it's saying. No, you're not in danger. You may be afraid to go further, but you actually can go further based on the feedback that we're getting. Now all of a sudden it completely [00:10:00] changes what you think your threshold of work is.

[00:10:03] When you do it and you go, wow, I didn't die. I didn't tear a muscle. Everything was great and I feel amazing. But until you cross that threshold and it requires some handholding, like you're going to be okay, you're going to be okay to get to that threshold. You never know how hard you can really work.

[00:10:21] Ratna Singh: [00:10:21] Absolutely. Again, you couldn't, I couldn't have said it better myself, and we see it all the time, all the time, and we see the progression of people all the time. Um, as you said, the body is designed to conserve energy, right? And what happens is that you will willingly not push yourself outside your comfort zone.

[00:10:44] Anything that creates stress in the body, for example, frosting. For example, cold box, you know, cryotherapy and Carroll type of exercise. But those are [00:11:00] vital for switching on your longevity genes and the amazing dr Sinclair, who I'm sure you've heard of, who's researching about NR and NAD, et cetera. He would tell you that whatever creates stress in your body actually ends up helping you longer live along the life level, live a more healthy life.

[00:11:25] And the reason for this is very simple. You know, we have, we as humans have evolved and we're still here. You know, we haven't died as a species because we are highly adaptive.

[00:11:36] Carl Lanore: [00:11:36] Well, and also there's some, something that you're talking about is the hormetic effect of exercise. Uh, you know. The, the body, uh, super compensates for challenges.

[00:11:49] The more challenging something is, and you achieve it, the body goes, wow, this idiot may do that again. We need to prepare for next time.

[00:12:00] [00:12:00] Ratna Singh: [00:12:00] That's exactly it.

[00:12:02] Carl Lanore: [00:12:02] So this whole super compensatory mechanism is actually the reason why as a species we have become more and more refined. But once you stop challenging the body, then it it, then it conserves, it goes, Oh, our environment.

[00:12:17] Doesn't demand a lot from us. We don't need this extra muscle. We don't need this better efficiency and respiration because we're not using it. So if you don't keep pushing yourself to those thresholds, and they're scary thresholds sometimes, and rightfully so, but if you don't keep pushing yourself to those thresholds intelligently, we don't want people to have a heart attack and stroke, but if you don't keep pushing yourself to those thresholds, then you literally start to wither.

[00:12:46] As you age.

[00:12:47] Ratna Singh: [00:12:47] Yup. I, again, you know, perfectly said, um, you have to keep pushing yourself in order to be the  to be able to survive. You know, uh, medicine is making great [00:13:00] leaps and bounds, and we're all gonna live longer, but when you live healthily, right. And that's. Exactly. And that's exactly help spawn. And that's the, that's the problem that I hope Carol is addressing, uh, while people like dr Valter Longo is addressing the issue around fuck thing.

[00:13:18] And Dr. Davidson, Claire and our own doctor Neils Valard, who is the exercise physiologist, who's we work very, very closely with. So. Yeah. And you need to push yourself and you do not know what you are capable of.

[00:13:32] Carl Lanore: [00:13:32] Right. Right.

[00:13:34] Ratna Singh: [00:13:34] Well, find out.

[00:13:36] Carl Lanore: [00:13:36] So let's talk about Carol for a second. Carol actually does take feedback from the user, so it keeps you, and in fact, it monitors anything that could be considered a dangerous situation, and then it would slow you down.

[00:13:49] Right.

[00:13:50] Ratna Singh: [00:13:50] Well, first of all, you have to fill out a questionnaire before you even stop the registration. And if there are some conditions that we don't think [00:14:00] are appropriate for you to be exercising under, we, we, we don't allow it.

[00:14:05] Carl Lanore: [00:14:05] Then we have to give me some examples. Give the audience some examples of what you're looking

[00:14:08] Ratna Singh: [00:14:08] for.

[00:14:09] If you have, you know, heart disease, if you have high blood pressure that's not controlled. Um, if you are pregnant, if you've got, you know, really. Bad knees or hips that could be made worse by exercise like this. Then we suggest you get clearance from your doctor before we let you on, and then we, we let them on.

[00:14:30] So that's the very first thing. And then we have safety algorithms that we've built in. So it's all related to not just how high your heart rate goes, but how quickly you recover. Uh, now I. Regularly push myself to about 110% of my max heart rate is high, but are recovered within seconds. So a a boundary is 30 seconds to recovery, but to within under 90% if that doesn't happen, then the ride will automatically abort and you'll be blocked out of the system.

[00:14:59] Carl Lanore: [00:14:59] We will do.

[00:15:00] [00:15:00] Ratna Singh: [00:15:00] Yeah. And we'll then analyze with, we very quickly turn the data around. We analyze cause we get raw data. Um, I think we're getting signals three times a second. So we will very quickly analyze that data. And one of the team would reach out to the person and tell them, Oh, there was noise in the system, which often happens because we'll compare it with their past.

[00:15:22] Um, heart rate traces. You know, we said there is something going on here. In which case you should go see a doctor. Now, if very, it doesn't happen very often, it happens. If, for example, you've been running to get to your bike, you know, and your heart rate is already high, or if you've had a lot of coffee, have your reading stood or, um,

[00:15:43] Carl Lanore: [00:15:43] electrolyte imbalances could cause this.

[00:15:45] Yeah.

[00:15:46] Ratna Singh: [00:15:46] Any of that stuff. Um, then they'll tell us, Oh, this is what I did, and so we'll allow them to get back on again. Um, we've caught out six people who've been walking around with undiagnosed high blood pressure just through this heart rate [00:16:00] mechanism. And, um. Lucky for us. We have professor Lance Dallek at the university of Colorado Western, I think Western at university of Colorado, something like that.

[00:16:10] Sorry. But he's, he is, he's on the board of the American council on exercise and they've done a randomized controlled trial on Carroll versus 30 minutes of exercise every day, which are the government guidelines. And they were very diligent and they tested for, um, you know, anything that could indicate that.

[00:16:30] Carol was actually doing harm and there was, there was nothing in the blood. So they would know, you know, proteins or inflammation markers show that this is a problem. It was all completely fine. So the conclusion that this is no more changes than anything else that you're doing. In fact, for, um, for many people because.

[00:16:48] The, the duration of the exercise is so short, you actually don't get the, uh, impact on your heart as much as say, jogging. You know, we're not supposed to be jogging as humans [00:17:00] because think about it. You're in the Savannah, you going around jogging, and the  target comes around the corner. You do not have the energy to run away.

[00:17:07] You're extinct. So we were supposed to walk, which is fantastic, a run for your life. And that's what we are doing. So we think when people walk. To Carol.

[00:17:22] Carl Lanore: [00:17:22] So, so let's talk about something else that I'm picking up on that I, I guess it didn't Dawn on me. So, so Carol is a real time communication, I guess with some sort of cloud that is central to your operation. So you are constantly getting data from every user out there and monitoring it. That's what the subscription is for, right?

[00:17:43] You have a subscription service with

[00:17:44] Ratna Singh: [00:17:44] us. Yes, and it's a very low subscription service. And the reason we have it is, you know, obviously costs us money, maintain the servers. We also, um, constantly doing bug fixing and, you know, updating the software. But for [00:18:00] 20, now that we've got, um, we raised our series a funding, um, we're able to implement.

[00:18:06] A really exciting product roadmap for 2020 and Carlos is going to get smarter and smarter and smarter, and there will be a time when you will come and hold the handlebars and she'll say, not today. Call. You're too tired. You, I imagine that. Right. Um, so

[00:18:23] Carl Lanore: [00:18:23] I, I need that because I'm ego-driven. No, I'm serious.

[00:18:27] You know, I, I, the older I get, I'll be 62 this year, the older I get. What's that? Yeah. Amazing. Thank you. I needed to, I, that's why I heard you say it the first time, but I wanted to hear it again. So, so, so, you know, I'll be 62 this year and I find that my ego drives me even more. And so I have to use my instincts to back myself down because I will push myself harder just to prove to myself that I can continue to push myself.

[00:18:55] So I would need something like that to say, Hey, not today. Carl.

[00:18:59] Ratna Singh: [00:18:59] Not [00:19:00] today, Carl. Exactly. Exactly. So that's what your subscription is for. As we add new features, you just get them for free. So yeah, it's still offending low subscription.

[00:19:12] Carl Lanore: [00:19:12] It's like $12 right? It's, it's not, it's not a, yeah, it's like a couple cups of Starbucks coffee.

[00:19:17] That's what it is. The whole house

[00:19:19] Ratna Singh: [00:19:19] holds up to eight

[00:19:19] Carl Lanore: [00:19:19] pencil. Oh really? So that's up to how many people. Now, the other thing I like about this is there are new bikes coming out that we see a lot. This has a very small footprint. Not all of us have giant home gyms. I have a, I have a small room that I have a treadmill and I have a bicycle that this would fit perfectly in that spot because I just don't have, this has a very small footprint, doesn't it?

[00:19:45] Ratna Singh: [00:19:45] It does. And you know, we live in Britain and you know, we developed the product here and we're not blessed with massive space like you are in America. So we have to get out product into small, much smaller places. And if you actually [00:20:00] saw the product that they use in the Labar, you'll be like, Ooh, yeah, I don't want it.

[00:20:04] So we want it to be as accessible as possible. Make it slim, make it simple. You just get on the bike, login and Carol will do the rest.

[00:20:13] Carl Lanore: [00:20:13] Yeah. It's very, very, very cool. I'm showing a picture of the bike right now to those of us that are watching video. I mean,

[00:20:23] Ratna Singh: [00:20:23] it just looks like one,

[00:20:25] Carl Lanore: [00:20:25] well, I was just going to say it's no bigger than the average spin bike. Except the, uh, the disc is in the rear, and that's a little different. Most of them, the disc is in the front, but you can see that it's got the, a computer screen on top. Uh, and it definitely looks like it's made a bit more robustly than the average spin bike is.

[00:20:46] No, it's,

[00:20:46] Ratna Singh: [00:20:46] it's, it's, it's about 64 kilos, which, uh, it's school, right? It's industrial. Because you're putting a lot of false through it. The, the flywheel is very, very heavy as well. And, um, you know, [00:21:00] hidden inside, there are a lot of components that most exercise bikes will not have just they just done. Um, we caught a lot of the  nonsense out.

[00:21:09] Like, you know, those big handlebar like Angelos that exist, we don't have any water bottles hold us because you're, they have eight minutes, 40 seconds.

[00:21:19] Carl Lanore: [00:21:19] Yeah, yeah. If you didn't drink water before and drink water after and you're covered, that's all that

[00:21:25] Ratna Singh: [00:21:25] we want people to focus on. Mindfulness, on breathing.

[00:21:28] So we have breathing apps on there. We want people to connect with their body. We want people to, um, you know, even holding the, the handlebar full eight minutes helps tone your triceps here. Um, and we want people to focus on getting into the sprint position as opposed to trying to be entertained, you know?

[00:21:45] Carl Lanore: [00:21:45] So, and that's another thing. So, um. A lot of people are sprinting today. And my son, just, my son just called me yesterday from work and he said that he hurt his back sprinting the other day. You know? [00:22:00] And unless you are. Running daily and you have been running daily for years and you've been growing into being a good sprinter.

[00:22:09] Just just getting up and sprinting usually leads to torn hamstring, hurt, back, hurt knees. You know, sprinting is a, most of us have the muscular power to sprint. Very fast because sprinting was the way, as you pointed out, we would get away from being food, but, but quite often, if you're not prepared for sprinting, you will injure yourself and you won't ever want to sprint again.

[00:22:37] It's so much better to do it on a bicycle because there's no impact and the motion while you can get your body moving just as fast. Because you standing on the bike, you're not sitting on it. While you can get your body moving just as fast and you could actually have a more fluid sprint, you're less likely to hurt yourself doing it on a bike.

[00:23:00] [00:23:00] Exactly,

[00:23:00] Ratna Singh: [00:23:00] exactly why we have it on a bike. Um, because, uh, if you try to do it on a treadmill, you would hurt yourself at the speed that we put you on. You're all gonna fall off and hurt yourself. Plus, it's such a big piece of machinery that in order to get to the levels of resistance that we want, it'll take a year.

[00:23:16] You know,

[00:23:17] Carl Lanore: [00:23:17] you've got to manually speed it up, speed it up, and then when you're in a full sprint. All you can do at that point in time is last as long as you can until you stop. Now you've got to reach over there and dial it back down again. I've seen a lot of people hurt themselves sprinting on trail.

[00:23:32] Ratna Singh: [00:23:32] No, exactly.

[00:23:33] And the same reason why we didn't look at the STEM or anything like that. The bike is perfect. And in fact, even for people with knee issues, um, you know, w we help them adjust the saddle. If it's high enough, you actually get very little impact on your knees. We've got 80 year olds, lots of them actually using our system.

[00:23:52] And even a lady who, um, of my heart that she has, she said this, she, she is very, very [00:24:00] eminent in the world of AI in this country. Uh, well globally. Cause she wrote our government's AI strategy. Yeah. And she has Carol. And she said to me, when I first saw, when I first had it, I thought, Oh my God, this thing is gonna, you know, push me to, to, to pieces.

[00:24:19] But she said she can do it. And she said, I can do it. And I said, yeah, because Kara will adjust to you so everybody can do it. If you are struggling, she's going to make it easy, but still optimal. If you are, you know, like you are called, I'm sure you'll be pushing out, you know, a huge amount of power. So she's always adjusting,

[00:24:41] Carl Lanore: [00:24:41] but I would start, I would start light anyway.

[00:24:43] everybody should get into this and kind of gradually move up the scale and I'm sure that the programming allows for that. I want to, for those who are listening to the podcast, the website is Carol fit AI, C a R O L. Fit AI for audit artificial [00:25:00] intelligent.com and if you use the code SHR, you'll get $150 off your product and they even offer financing.

[00:25:10] For those of you who qualify for financing, you can get into this a lot easier and start taking advantage of it right away. We're going to take one quick commercial break. We'll be right back with retina sings. Stay tuned. This is an exciting piece of home gym equipment and. For those of you have studios, you're a personal trainer.

[00:25:29] They have a commercial version as well at the website. So again, the website is Carol fit AI, C a, R O, L F, I, T a  dot com stay tuned. You're listening to superhuman radio. We'll be right. This is the superhuman channel evolution. Just got kicked up a notch.

[00:25:51] Jason Lulu said he needs toaster pastries. I've got one here from my lunch today. They are amazing. Legendary foods has done it again. [00:26:00] They taste just like pop tarts. They actually taste better than pop coats. I made a, I made a peanut butter and toast a pastry sandwich the other day. I took two of them, put them together.

[00:26:09] I smeared a blueberry cinnamon bun, almond butter from legendary foods on it, and it was all I needed for about 10 hours for the rest of the day. Yeah, it really is. You know, once in a while I kind of become a little bit gluttonous. I used to be 330 pounds.

[00:26:25] Ratna Singh: [00:26:25] Wow.

[00:26:26] Carl Lanore: [00:26:26] Gosh, I had a heart problem. I was really sick.

[00:26:28] That's how this show started. 14 years ago. I was trying to save my own life, and I, I knew that scientists wouldn't talk to me if I just called them and said, Hey, I'm trying to repair my heart. What should I do? So I started a radio show on clear channel 10 80 am and then I would email him and say, Hey, you want to be on my show?

[00:26:45] And that's exactly how this podcast started. It's so fun. So here's a couple of questions from, uh, from some people in the audience. Sure. Julio Guevara says, how does this compare to Peloton?

[00:26:59] Ratna Singh: [00:26:59] We get [00:27:00] asked that question all the time. Peloton. I have to say that guys have done an amazing job, so I'm never ever going to say anything bad about their product.

[00:27:10] What I will say is that. We are as different as chalk is from cheese. Peloton is entertainment is content, and it's targeting people who don't mind sweating you to out or who feel that, you know? That's the only way to get fit. Who enjoys spinning is that 20% that likes to exercise or wants to exercise.

[00:27:31] And they think that having it in the home is, is a time saver for them. And it is. We're not like that a toll. We are evidence-based. We all personalized. We are optimized, and we don't have a spinning instructor in sight. In fact, I'd say that 900% of our users wouldn't. [00:28:00] Wouldn't you consider spinning, and forgive me for saying this, I'm not saying this as a, as a as as an insulted tool, but you know, many of our clients have got a Peloton and a Carroll and you know, once they get Carol, they don't use Peloton because they say, well, I get the same, if not more in 40 seconds, why would I spend 40 minutes?

[00:28:20] Carl Lanore: [00:28:20] That's an important distinction. I want to, I want to address that. We're all so busy today. With busier than most of us really realize if most people track their day and realized like me, I mean everyday I start my day with maybe 10 things I want to achieve and I get six of them done and those four go to the next day along with the 10 things that I need to do that day.

[00:28:40] And you know, I go to the gym every day, but I noticed that, you know, most days I go, I got 40 minutes. That's all I got to give this, you know, I, and I got to get a lot done in 40 minutes. If I could get something done in. Eight minutes. This is, this is gold. And then I would [00:29:00] absolutely say. You are right about Peloton.

[00:29:03] Peloton is a movement. It's like people that liked a certain TV series though, and they all talk about their TV series around the water cooler. If you got a lot of time and you want to take up the hobby of Peloton, God bless you. Do it. I'd rather do other things with my hobby time. I want to get my workout done faster.

[00:29:24] I want to get the work done faster.

[00:29:26] Ratna Singh: [00:29:26] Exactly. That's exactly right. So, you know, all a mantra is we give you, we give you your fitness and your life. We don't expect, that's why you'll never see anybody on our website. When like CRA, you know, we consider a recovery drink is, you know, you having a nice drink and in the, in the pub or bar with your friends or with your family.

[00:29:46] Um. Oh, did I, you know, look at me. I switched it so much, and I did. That's the eyes. We have a life go limit.

[00:29:56] Carl Lanore: [00:29:56] So Jason Lulu, who, who is a journeyman, he travels and he [00:30:00] listens to the show from all different parts of the country. Uh, and he actually takes take stuff with him to train with. And one of the things he loves is the X three because it's a band and bar system, and he said, I'll, I'll set this bad boy next time I X three and I'm all set.

[00:30:16] Yes, that's right.

[00:30:17] Ratna Singh: [00:30:17] Bam, right? Yeah. Jason. And we have it too. We in our team, we all have extra, and that's all we have. We have X three Carol, and actually we also have stealth. I don't know if you've seen that, but, um, it's great. It's a three minute AB thing. It's, you play God goddess. It's really tough, but it's so effective.

[00:30:35] Um, that's it. That's what we have. Do I need anything else?

[00:30:38] Carl Lanore: [00:30:38] Hey, he Peloton is CrossFit for cyclists. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know that I would even say that, but anyway, yeah. Peloton is a movement. You know what I mean? It's, it's, it's more than it's, you know, God bless people. If they have the time to do that.

[00:30:50] Charles, Groucho was asking you to explain the pricing. When it goes to the page, it's, it's not as easy to understand.

[00:30:58] Ratna Singh: [00:30:58] Oh, I'm sorry. We all working [00:31:00] on our website. It is not the easiest website on the planet right now to navigate, so I do apologize. They send us an email info at Carol Fitz, ai.com and we'll respond to you personally.

[00:31:09] Um, but the reason it's expensive, we do have a payment option. You can, you know, have that monthly payment. The reason is it's not really more expensive than Peloton is with pitched it at a price point where we think most people can afford it. In fact, I'd say 99% of people who buy the bike say, I thought it was going to be more expensive.

[00:31:32] You know, there's an enormous amount of technology that's gone into it. Lots of R and D just because we needed data to refine our algorithms. So you can imagine there's been a lot of, a lot of work that's gone into it. So. Um, we don't believe it is more expensive. Why's that expensive? I hope affordable.

[00:31:51] And I hope that with the, um, with the, um, um,

[00:31:57] Carl Lanore: [00:31:57] financing.

[00:31:58] Ratna Singh: [00:31:58] Financing.

[00:32:00] [00:32:00] Carl Lanore: [00:32:00] Yeah. No, it's okay. I know you're getting distracted. It's okay. That's this, this is life today. It's, it's no, but with the financing, it puts it in people's, within their reach. And you know what, um, expensive is relative to value. Exactly. You know, if you feel like, I mean, I know a lot of people who will look at something that, that I must have, whatever it is.

[00:32:22] Maybe it's my hormone replacement therapy. There's people, I have friends, I have a friend who's a pilot. He makes $400,000 a year, but he thinks testosterone is too expensive. Sorry. Well, no, and so, I mean, I love the guy. He's brilliant and he's actually aging pretty well. But, but the point is. If you, if you try it and you realize what it does for you, the pleiotropic effects of hormone replacement therapy, then all of a sudden spending a couple hundred dollars a month isn't too expensive.

[00:32:51] So, so expenses relative to value. There are a lot of things that people spend a lot of money on. I know a lot of people that spend a lot of money on booze. I don't. [00:33:00] That's not my thing, but I spend a lot of money maybe on supplements. I spend a lot of money on hormone replacement therapy and peptides because I see the value.

[00:33:07] So really it's not a matter of expensive. It's a matter of whether or not you see the value in something like this that can actually improve your health. And I don't think, maybe I'm foolish, but when it comes to my, I know I'm never going to live forever. And who knows? I probably won't want to. At some point in time, I'd be like, okay, I'm ready.

[00:33:29] I'm ready to experiment with something new, but I want to be fully engaged in life until the day that I die. I want people to say, Hey, did you hear Carl died in the gym squatting? You know, or he, he died wanting, he died running for the bus. Did he call died running for the bus? I don't want people to say, Oh, I just found out Carl died.

[00:33:50] Yeah. He was in a nursing home for 30 years that I don't want. And so what you put value on determines whether you think things are expensive or not. And you know,

[00:33:58] Ratna Singh: [00:33:58] can I tell you a little story about that? [00:34:00] That's so fascinating. So I have, um, my husband is German and, um, um, he's very practical in so many ways as

[00:34:08] Carl Lanore: [00:34:08] most Germans are.

[00:34:09] They're very pragmatic people. I love them. They are

[00:34:14] German. German people tend to be less driven by emotion, which makes them more stable human beings. That right.

[00:34:21] Ratna Singh: [00:34:21] Yeah. Okay. So, um, I, and this was going back years, I was pregnant with my first child and we still live in Chicago at the time. And we went to a, uh, an opera festival called Ravinia. It's really great.

[00:34:34] And, um, suddenly the way the town did, although it was in the summer, it just suddenly turned and it became very cold. And so all of the winter offers my husband to buy me a sweatshirt. And it was not, the highest quality was pretty rubbish actually. And it was $50 and I said, God, you spent $50 on a sweatshirt.

[00:34:51] And he said, no, I spent $50 keeping you room.

[00:34:55] Carl Lanore: [00:34:55] Mm. So it's how you look at things, it's perspective. And look, I look what [00:35:00] Jason Lulu said to kind of, uh, put a cap on that I've spent a lot of money cheaping out and then buying what I thought was expensive after I had bought the cheap one. Yeah. And that's very true.

[00:35:13] Uh, you know, so, but, but w but again, you know, when you look at, when you look at exercise equipment, by and large, I mean, unless you're talking about kettlebells, I mean, all exercise equipment is expensive because it's valuable, it's valuable, and it comes down to value. It really, really does. I want to take our last commercial break, and when we come back, we're going to wrap up the discussion.

[00:35:36] We're talking with Ratna sing, we're talking about. Carol, the, uh, exercise bike. The website is Carol fit ai.com. If you use the code S H R you'll save $150 off the price. Check it out. Uh, you know, I am a firm believer in home gyms, and here's why I've been saying this since [00:36:00] day one, when I started doing this show.

[00:36:02] I love to eat out, but I'm not going to. Unplug my refrigerator and I'm not going to unplug my stove because there are days where eating out just isn't practical. And since eating is important to me, I have to be able to cook at home. There are days where best laid plans go out the window and you got 30 minutes before you have to jump in the shower, and if you have some equipment at home, you can get a really, really good workout in quickly.

[00:36:29] And that's why I think everyone should own a piece of, or two of exercise equipment because it's that important to get that workout done. You can't go, Oh, I can't go to the gym today. It's you're snowed in, you can't go. I can't go to the gym today. You got to get that workout done at home, and this is a great product.

[00:36:48] Carol. Fit ai.com use the code SHR and save $150 off. We'll be right back with you. This is the superhuman channel where we use oxygen for the [00:37:00] power of good.

[00:37:03] Welcome back. We're talking with  saying she is the CEO Oh of Carol fit AI. This is an amazing piece of workout equipment that you can put in your own home. Let's briefly just touch on the commercial because we have. A lot of personal trainers that listen to the show, they have the trend now is to get a studio, not be involved in a gym, do your own thing.

[00:37:25] This would be a perfect piece of equipment for them, wouldn't it?

[00:37:27] Ratna Singh: [00:37:27] Absolutely. And in fact, there are lots of studios that have us, um, you know, they tend to be the kind of people who have, um. No normal piece of equipment in there so that they don't have treadmills. They'll have the nipple or two that have ARX, that'll have us, that have other pieces of equipment because they believe in science.

[00:37:48] They believe in data, and they believe in efficiency. Um, so we definitely have a lot of those. Super, I'm sorry, upgrade labs. Dave Asprey's, uh, labs in . He has them and [00:38:00] he has quite a few. I actually also personally, so I think for. For enlightened puzzle trainers, this'll be a perfect thing for cardio for their clients.

[00:38:14] And then, you know, they can spend time working out on the strength because clearly we don't do that. So I think it's perfect. Yeah.

[00:38:22] Carl Lanore: [00:38:22] So can you do too much hit up if I got a Carol in my house and since it only takes eight minutes, I want to do a session in the morning and a session in the evening. That's a bad idea.

[00:38:33] Bad,

[00:38:33] Ratna Singh: [00:38:33] bad, bad, bad, bad idea. You need to do, you need to leave 24 hours in between. Um, you know, you know this call, it's all about stimulus, response, stimulus response. So every time we take you to your peak and then you exhaust, we've given your body a very powerful stimulus. Now, in order for your body to adapt, it needs time.

[00:38:56] So if you did it every day and all you do is give it sit, it's the spit [00:39:00] light scratching the scab, right? If it keeps scratching, keep scratching, it won't heal. Um, so you need to give it 24 hours. And by the way, we do have other protocols, not just the one, uh, the 22nd one, um, that are longer if you want to spend longer on the, on the episodes.

[00:39:16] But I mean, they're all difficult, but. Nothing is more than, you know, 20 minutes. Yeah.

[00:39:22] Carl Lanore: [00:39:22] So, so there's a lot of evidence that depleting muscle glycogen before a workout can actually produce a greater protein synthetic response to the workout. So I would imagine that high intensity interval training is better at depleting muscle glycogen, or am I incorrect?

[00:39:42] Ratna Singh: [00:39:42] No. So, so that's no precisely correct. So what the kind of high intensity training, which is the scientific content string that we do causes rapid glycogen depletion, and that's the key rapid within the first 10 seconds of the first Brent, you trigger that and you'd [00:40:00] done. Uh, in the second sprint, no glycogen depletion is happening.

[00:40:03] You're in fact activating other molecules and other pathways, but you releasing most of them and your first plus sprain. But yeah, absolutely. It's about rapidly depleting that glycogen within the first 10 seconds. And we actually see that within the first five seconds, most people have reached a peak, held it for a fraction of a second, and then solid showgirl.

[00:40:24] Carl Lanore: [00:40:24] So, uh, and another thing you pointed on, it's a, it's a, it's a nuance that I don't want to pass over. So the, the, the, the, the change in substrate utilization. So your glycogen gets used up quickly, and then the body switches sometimes to lactate, uh, and other sources of, of, of energy. Uh, I would imagine that high intensity interval training is better at stimulating metabolic flexibility than long, slow state.

[00:40:52] Walking for hours.

[00:40:54] Ratna Singh: [00:40:54] Yeah, for sure. For sure. Any, anytime you produce more byproducts, the [00:41:00] adaptations are greater. You know, there's, that's what you've just said. Um, and our scientists will tell you that, and we shall produce a lot of Bible.

[00:41:08] Carl Lanore: [00:41:08] Well, we know that. So when we look at classic sprinters and classic distance runners, the sprinters have.

[00:41:15] Big muscular buttocks and thighs and calves, their upper bodies tend to be shredded. And then when you look at distance runners, they almost look emaciated. They, I wouldn't say a distance runner has an appealing looking physique. They tend to be lean, but they tend to be sinewy looking and, and don't carry a lot of muscle.

[00:41:38] And one of the reasons that is, is because sprinting. And triggering a lactate actually triggers growth factors, intramuscular IGF one, IGF, one ECC, which is McConnell growth factor. All of these growth factors are produced in the muscle as an [00:42:00] adaptive mechanism to super compensate for next time you do this.

[00:42:03] So I would imagine if you wanted to have big muscular chords, this is the way to go for cardio.

[00:42:11] Ratna Singh: [00:42:11] Yup. And I can now leave call. You can do this yourself. Exactly. Correct.

[00:42:19] Carl Lanore: [00:42:19] Yeah, no,

[00:42:21] Ratna Singh: [00:42:21] I don't want to have, no, I didn't want to scare the ladies, you know, going to get, you know, thighs like on a short sneaker all of a sudden, and you know, a lot of people come off the bike, uh, after the sprint, I sell, my thighs are pumped.

[00:42:32] That's because of the asthmatic process of the byproducts that have broken down. Water comes from your, I mean, this is really fascinating. It's just so simply, if you think about it, um, what it comes in from your. We were plugged into the thighs, and so your thighs feel fuller and then you know, they will go back to normal a bit later.

[00:42:48] But what that does is that it drops your volume of blood. So the body thinks, ah, I need more blood. It's like make small blood. Know a patient. It's just interesting

[00:43:00] [00:43:00] Carl Lanore: [00:43:00] effect then. That's interesting. I didn't know that.

[00:43:03] Ratna Singh: [00:43:03] That's one of the risk factors of not risk, but that's why we don't let anybody on to our system straight away for the full 20 seconds.

[00:43:10] We guide them fade. We need to calibrate the system for them and then they need to get used to the system and also the protocol because it's not just as simple as getting on and. Trusting you and there's a process to it. And, um, and, and it's the blood pressure that drops as a result of, of, of that kind of thing happening.

[00:43:28] So w we have a three minute cooldown at a particular, at a prescribed RPM that helps people to, you know, normalize.

[00:43:36] Carl Lanore: [00:43:36] And so the bottom line is nothing you do on Carol is accidental. Everything is predetermined, monitored, adjusted for this is, this is really an interesting. Concept because there's a lot of us who've watched exercise physiology labs and we've watched, you know, athletes, they're all hooked up and they're ventilated and we think, wow, I would love to do that, [00:44:00] and theoretically you can now do that in your home.

[00:44:02] That is

[00:44:03] Ratna Singh: [00:44:03] exactly it. That is exactly it. You, we replicate that onto in your home.

[00:44:07] Carl Lanore: [00:44:07] It's very exciting. I think this is a very exciting breakthrough and I hope that more people take it seriously. The website is Carol. Fit. C, a, R, O, L, F, I, T, ai.com. The code is SHR. You'll save $150 off. Go check it out, learn more.

[00:44:24] Tell your friends. Maybe it's not for you, but it's for your sister-in-law, you know, before they go and drop a bunch of money on a Peloton just because they think that that's all that's available. At least tell them about Carol. Uh, so that they understand that there is a, for those of us who are more serious about progression.

[00:44:42] Uh, and, and seeing those changes in our body, you could probably get it done a lot faster, uh, and a lot safer because of the feedback mechanism. I love this. It's a great product.

[00:44:53] Ratna Singh: [00:44:53] Yeah. Because I, the one little thing to just add is that because every time you ride the bike, the resistance has [00:45:00] changed based on your changing fitness levels.

[00:45:04] Carl Lanore: [00:45:04] Yeah.

[00:45:05] Ratna Singh: [00:45:05] So for example, uh, I must, last time I did it, I think I was just recovering from an illness. So clearly my fatigue levels were too great. I went on the bike today and Carol said that, Oh, I'm sorry, I pushed it too hard last time. I'm taking it down a notch. And so she took it down home. And remember, we don't have any knobs on our system.

[00:45:22] You can see it. It's all computer controlled. And so we can change the resistance and apply it.  we can change it in decimal points and we can apply it in under a second as well. And that's, I think the important part of

[00:45:34] Carl Lanore: [00:45:34] was the bike actually talk. Yeah,

[00:45:37] Ratna Singh: [00:45:37] there is a, the Carol is, yes, we have music that is timed to the protocol.

[00:45:43] It's, we have to change that. We got new trucks are coming, but yeah, there's Carol Cal talks to you. She'll tell you that you are walking into Savannah and you hear crickets and then suddenly a tiger is going to come

[00:45:54] Carl Lanore: [00:45:54] and chase you. I love, I love that. You know, it's really funny with Alexa in the house.

[00:45:58] Yeah. I find myself [00:46:00] saying, please, and thank you. And I know that it's not programmed to hear that or respond to it, but it's like, I think, I think it tells a lot about a person when they're polite to machines. So listen, I want to thank you so much for, for being on the show today and talking about this as a fantastic product, and I hope my audience jumps on it.

[00:46:17] I really do.

[00:46:18] Ratna Singh: [00:46:18] I, I, I thank you and I thank you for having the open mind and the understanding of the science behind it because that's not always the case and I really enjoyed it. Thank you so

[00:46:28] Carl Lanore: [00:46:28] much. This has been fun. Thanks a lot. And you have a great rest of your week. So tomorrow we have an interesting show.

[00:46:35] We're going to be. Talking about paleo FX is coming up soon in Austin. It's coming up in April. And, uh, we'll have, uh, Keith Norris, uh, Keith and Michelle Norris started paleo FX years ago, and he'll be joining us tomorrow to talk about the upcoming event. I and Elisa will be there this year. This is the first time we're going to paleo effects.

[00:46:56] So I hope those of you who go, come and visit us, we'll let you know as we [00:47:00] get closer to that. Uh, that's it for today. Hope you enjoyed the show. We'll see you tomorrow with more superhuman radio, and thank you for listening. .