[00:00:00] Hey, hey, welcome back to another episode of superhuman radio. Today is Thursday, which means that we have a ReNew Life RX episode and it's a really important one if you notice with the weed there's a theme here. We've been doing more and more about testosterone because there's more research being done on testosterone now now that a lot of clinicians realize it doesn't kill everybody that takes it.

[00:00:54] It doesn't cause cancer doesn't give you heart attacks and. The reality is that some of [00:01:00] that early research that was done for four or five years ago that scared the crap out of everybody was flawed and so more and more science is coming forth showing the benefits of testosterone and it's our objective to get that out there because I think like my like like my co-host let me bring him in here and play his music real quick.

[00:01:19] Hold on a sec so we can get. Here we go. The first step to changing your life starts with the ReNew Life Show with Adam Lamb

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[00:02:15] But what I was saying was, you know, there's still a lot of guys out there that are afraid to take testosterone you I'm sure you see it, right? Oh, yeah for sure and a lot of it. I think that we see is like the commitment right to move forward like a lot of people think once I do it. I'm stuck like it's forever.

[00:02:34] It's not necessarily the case if you're 30, your body can regenerate better than if you're 60, right but like if you're in your 50s and you feel terrible.  Well, then, you know, it's like make getting guys got that's gonna that's gonna make for a really it's going to make for a really long disappointing life.

[00:02:54] Yeah for exhibit a guy yesterday. I talked to and he's like man, he's like 40s. I felt great. He's like literally I [00:03:00] feel like I turned 50 and. Just someone pulled the rug out from underneath me and it can happen that that swiftly unfortunately in some situations. We don't we go through things like how's work?

[00:03:12] Is there a stress change in their marital issue? Like we go through all those kind of things because sometimes like listen man life can kick your butt, right? Yeah. So we want to make sure that is it life kicking your butt or is it just time kicking you out and really and really hormones create.

[00:03:29] Right because you can take a guy who's in a situation and he has low testosterone and his perception of the situation is unbearable unlivable Unthinkable you take that same exact same exact set of circumstances. And you take a guy whose hormones are are high and Youthful and he's optimistic about what could happen and he looks at things differently.

[00:03:55] It's that's it. So so really hormones create perception. I lived it firsthand [00:04:00] interesting. I've never told this story before.  When I was going through my divorce, I was I was on. And I was on pretty high doses at the time and I was able to handle everything that was going on. Like nothing. I always was optimistic.

[00:04:15] I always had the energy to for John so I was not on HRT at this point in time. So I didn't have a prescription and I ran out of testosterone and I just figured oh, you know, I'm just going to take off for a little while and I took off for two months. No, not a shot by the second month. I I swear this is a true story.

[00:04:41] I went to my guy to pick up testosterone. I started to cry. I was like, let's make believe his name is Jimmy. I said Jimmy man. I am I don't know what's wrong with me man. And he says dude, you just need to get a shot in you and statistics God's honest truth. I took a shot when [00:05:00] I got home and buy two days later.

[00:05:02] I felt normal again. So hormones create perception your circumstances look gloomy and dark when your hormones are in the gutter. One thing too is there's a lot of guys that talk to their like a libido a no problem there, right? Yeah. It's like it's not about libido, but it's not about libido like sometimes that's one of the cases like you could pull every piece of testosterone out of my body.

[00:05:27] I'm just mentally a libido right like if. If you're driven that way that's dope. That's dopamine. That's norepinephrine that serotonin. That's that's where your libido comes from its core. It's not just like libidos one thing right but it's there's so many other things and and it's important that we pay attention to that and isn't it funny any time I've ever said to somebody who was not.

[00:05:51] Let's say part of this fold that we are in about testosterone. The first thing they say to me is I don't have no problem with that man. I get it up. Yeah, that's why [00:06:00] I say that is just like this. There's like this misconception that it's like you're less of a man. If you're just a stone's low, it's like no you it's like saying you're less of a man because you're 40 instead of 30, but no, it's not the case.

[00:06:12] It's just part of the way the cards are dealt and sometimes the cards are dealt quicker or slower or four different people. One of the other things too is is we're talking with guys is if you're noticing things it's because you're paying attention you gave an example earlier of a guy who has low hormones feels like hell a guys in The Identical situation of high hormone.

[00:06:35] It feels optimistic great overcomes challenges one of the things we see those let's say you have you know, 45 year old gym and 45 year old Bob and Jim goes to the he's going to the gym regularly, you know actively sexual with his wife likes to play with this kid pays attention to what he eats watch has a superhuman radio show and then you got Bob who doesn't exercise eats, like [00:07:00] crap those kind of things.

[00:07:01] They can have identical hormone issues. But Bob won't notice because Bob's not live in life, right? But Jim is like dude. This isn't adding up right and so because a lot of times people get stuck in the number. That's why so Bob is number could be 300 Jim's embroidery 300 by 300 and is like borderline depression for the guy who wants with a gym.

[00:07:23] Hell, yeah guys, you know Steve loves his wife, but just kind of doesn't have the end. In Mike the energy to do the stuff and the confidence to close the deal at work. Whatever Bob who might be living this sediment life of just whatever going through the motions will not notice that his low testosterone is affecting his life.

[00:07:41] So it's one of the first questions I ask people I really started doing this lately cuz I love it is it's if you didn't know how old you were our hold would you think you were right it and I think I'd be like a 28 years old. With the knowledge that I've acquired right, but that's how I feel. Like I want to get out there and run right now [00:08:00] do things right.

[00:08:01] Some people are the opposite right there. Like I feel like I'm 60 like they thrown in the towel, you know, like they're just not living life and a lot of that's because their hormones are at a hoax, right? So there's just some stuff that we look at the clinic just in the initial. Conversation consultation no, no, it makes perfect sense.

[00:08:21] And and and so this discussion we're going to have today is actually really interesting and and I don't think a lot of the people working within this category. They're going to talk about today actually realize how interesting this really is. And I know they're brilliant scientist. Don't get me wrong.

[00:08:40] But the reality is I'm just moving some things around on my desktop here so that I can see the three studies in front of me. So let's start out first talking about the increased incidence of hypogonadism in men. I'm sorry the increase incidence of [00:09:00] thyroid disease in men with hypogonadism. There's two studies out there that show.

[00:09:05] That men with very low testosterone tend to develop thyroid disease, which is actually a form of.  autoimmunity and that's the thing that they don't talk about that in these studies. They don't say by the way, these are all diseases of autoimmunity. So. It makes sense. Like klinefelter's syndrome is idiopathic hypogonadism.

[00:09:32] Like they can't figure it out that they do pituitary challenge test. They do hypothalamus test. They do they the testicles of functional but for some reason this guy just isn't producing testosterone those guys end up developing thyroid disease, okay. Then they look at another class of men who have hypogonadism for understandable reasons.

[00:09:58] They test them all the pituitary is [00:10:00] a producing luteinizing hormone or the hypothalamus isn't sensing the need for testosterone or the latex cells have crapped out and they have low testosterone and they also develop a thyroiditis. They develop what is considered classically a Hashimoto's disease thyroiditis, you know that presence of antibodies that are attacking the thigh.

[00:10:20] But so the recent study that I find really interesting really really interesting is called the effects of testosterone on thyroid immunity and you thyroid men with Hashimoto's thyroiditis and low levels of testosterone. So these are men who have Hashimoto's disease. But the thyroid is still functioning still functioning.

[00:10:44] So they have Hashimoto's they've been diagnosed with high levels of thyroid antibodies in their bloodstream and they are left unchecked. They are going to develop the symptoms at some point in time of [00:11:00] hypothyroidism because once the collateral damage is done to the thyroid enough, then the thyroid stops functioning so they're not there yet.

[00:11:07] Their thyroids are not. I'm not destroyed yet, but they're going to be destroyed and they also have low testosterone. So what do they do? They give these guys would I consider a fairly high dose by the way a hundred twenty milligrams of testosterone under Cohen 8 oral a day. Now keep in mind.

[00:11:26] That's a very very slow releasing Esther that's designed to release over the course of six months. Okay, that's what that's that's what's in the bedo shot. Yeah testosterone on Deck. Oh Nate and so by taking this orally I'm sure they're getting like a post every day that they take it but then they're getting this trailing effect and what they discovered was the men who got the testosterone the presence of thyroid antibody in their blood [00:12:00] dropped.

[00:12:01] Significantly to the point where they probably would not develop Hashimoto's disease at some point in time. They were deaf. Thyroid wouldn't tangle. Now think about this for a second that means that the thyroid somehow corrected that form of autoimmunity which means that that that I'm sorry, the testosterone corrected that form of a mute autoimmunity which means that the testosterone did something to the gut because autoimmunity starts in here everybody.

[00:12:34] Yeah. I mean this is this is. So first of all, there may be a way. So if you're a listener and you've been told you have Hashimoto's disease in your guy because Hashimoto's disease hits women 10 times more frequently than men so there is an estrogen component if you're a guy. And you've had a complete thyroid panel and they said oh you're TPO is high.

[00:12:57] Your thyroid antibodies is really high. This means that your [00:13:00] body is attacking a thyroid. You need to have your testosterone levels tested. They're most likely going to be low and by raising them you can stop the damage to your thyroid. This is phenomenal. So something we do in so like where most docks will put you on a script.

[00:13:17] For thyroid because we we believe that it is the most overly prescribed abused hormone drug out there obviously and maybe birth control but that's a different subject. But what the in most cases where it would be prescribed we look at it. We say Hey, listen Syd men in women, let's get you your testosterone optimized first.

[00:13:40] Then when we do the follow-up blood work, you know 90 days. Let's see what's happening all the time. The TSH gets better the function gets better with testosterone always and this is we've been doing as part of you know ass talking about this study in the reason being now some in some [00:14:00] cases were the thyroid is even further off.

[00:14:04] There may be some intervention that needs to happen, but typically speaking we start with optimizing testosterone first and then see how it plays out because to your point. You can you can test 90 things, but we know that when your testosterone is optimized this also improves to and then you don't have to go on it.

[00:14:26] You know, you don't have to get those results and can leave it alone or on the further testing. We discovered that more intervention like you need it. There is a long well-understood relationship between the thyroid and and testes. There's a long well-understood relationship between thyroid hormones and testosterone one of the earliest studies.

[00:14:51] I read that elucidated this to me was that men who have hyperthyroidism [00:15:00] tend to also be hyper gon addict in other words. If they're producing a lot of thyroid hormone, their testes are producing way too much testosterone now has anyone ever taken that class of individual and said let's interrupt.

[00:15:20] The testosterone and see if the thyroid corrects itself because it could be that these guys are hyper go Natick. And so the thyroid is responding by producing more thyroid hormone. And the other thing too I would bet is there shbg levels are very high as well to move all that stuff around. Right?

[00:15:41] Right, right. And so that's where we see a lot of guys. We think they come through their shbg is really high and there's some people out there think it has to do with obesity and I think every person we've ever seen with an excessive shbg is like that so that's out but. The part of it what we believe is that we [00:16:00] always ask you been a lifetime athlete.

[00:16:01] Oh, yeah, if you had trouble adding muscle and being strong nope, but almost like a freak right like those that guy that just has always been fit. Well, that guy's testosterone is likely mm back when he was your 2500 back when he was 21 years old, right? You think I like LeBron James that guy didn't have the same testosterone.

[00:16:20] Go blow down the street it right told you know, you don't even like this like when they say all the genetics. Yeah, we'll part of those genetics might have been high testosterone and and as time goes on the testosterone decreases the stress increases and shbg stays higher. This is what we see in a lot of folks and but to that same point with the thyroid is that when all those things are cranking out the shbg often will get higher and then when the testosterone goes down, The thyroids still up there and the shbg stays High to and so you have that dilution of hormone so I want to answer this as this is a very good question actually so Kurt Yaeger asked it's a [00:17:00] two-part question is what are your thoughts on reduce glutathione on treating Hashimoto's or for antibody reduction he says or even an acetylcysteine and so here's what I think about that actually I'm taking fairly large doses of NAC right now because of my iron overload.

[00:17:17] Iron, overload is known to reduce glutathione production in the liver. Do you take live with Diana at all? I do I take live on Labs glutathione also. Yeah, but I take large doses of NAC as well. And so I think it's important kirkin but here's why.  because autoimmunity. Is a pro inflammatory disease whichever autoimmunity you have I don't care what it is if it's rheumatoid arthritis if it's fibromyalgia, it will spawn.

[00:17:51] Yeah, if it yeah Alias Spondylitis if it's if it's if it's Hashimoto's disease. It is a disease of [00:18:00] in inappropriate inflammatory response because that's what we're talking about. When we talk about attacking the thyroid attacking the joints attacking the nerves in Century diseases like fibromyalgia.

[00:18:12] We're talking about an inappropriate inflammatory response and. It is absolutely a good idea any time you have an inappropriate inflammatory response to up your glutathione. Absolutely because it'll minimize the collateral damage. There's no doubt about it. Now, will it reduce the antibody it may because if it's if it's if it's affecting inflammation, it's going to affect the soldiers which in this case of these antibodies.

[00:18:42] But that also means things like fish oil or I'm I'm more about eating more salmon quite frankly than Fisher. I never I never get fish. I never get fish burps eating a piece of salmon, but I get fish burps eat. Yeah so that I stopped taking picture. I just eat more Sushi. That's it eat more [00:19:00] salmon, and absolutely take melatonin.

[00:19:03] I mean, dr. Russell riddle came on my show in 2006 and said people who have. Awesome, because the hyperthyroidism excessive thyroid hormone destroys the heart destroys, the liver gives you cataracts the way to quell. That is to take some significant dose of Melatonin every single night. So yes, I think that it's a good idea to up your both glutathione intake as well as glutathione production in the face of an autoimmune disease.

[00:19:34] It can only protect you from further damage. Yeah, you know, I do about 200 milligrams a week glutathione injection. And I also actually yesterday edit 50 grams of vitamin C IV infusion. How'd you feel did you get. Now, yeah, I'm gonna go back next week and do 75. They've never had never done a hundred that you're smart up there that so people know that there's a blood test you need to do before you do that.

[00:19:57] Right? It's like gdl 6 or something like that. [00:20:00] I'd have to look it up to find out for sure so we can reach out if that's something they're concerned with but those things too because you know, I'm fighting this autoimmune. That's just a conniving all the way my ribcage. I feel the inflammation the English Spondylitis and I'm doing next Friday.

[00:20:14] We're doing I'm doing stem cell. We started the clinic that's that the over there. I need ya. Yep. And so I'll be doing I'm going to do some cells in my my achilles tendon, which I've been complaining about since you that you've known me right by me and then we're going to go in the Trap area right here to help any regeneration in the neck from my surgery surgery.

[00:20:37] Yep, and then I'm going to go in the in my shoulder here in the capsule here. So it also the thought is guess what stem cells go after. Information, right? So we want to see my goal for me personally is to see if we can knock out this autoimmune because there's nothing that can happen for his include Spondylitis of them like Humira and if I can help me I'm going to try to help [00:21:00] everybody else, you know, so it's I got it.

[00:21:01] I got a good friend. Dr. Pol Constanta. He's been on the show a couple times. He injects stem cells into people who have degenerative spine disease has. Yeah, and he tells me he says inflammation disappears. Once the stem cells show up. It's really interesting. It's not something you would think happens because of stem cells, but they seem to that's what that's what attracts them.

[00:21:22] So we take everybody off any anti-inflammatory anything like that. We actually like on the knees for example will do. I was like proprietary stuff from sharing but we do it's like prolog with Prolotherapy around the area to almost keep this like ring a fire. We call it around the The Joint that we're doing so that it also draws the body's natural stem cells to it.

[00:21:43] And when the stem cells go in the capsule at also almost like routines them in there and you know the doc that we work with has been doing this for a long time just gets crazy results and do that process. But yeah, it's the inflammation so. And that's where you do like a infusions you can we do [00:22:00] IM infusions.

[00:22:01] The stem cells are going to go with respect. I am infusion IV infusions. I am also you shoot it into the muscle now just I didn't because when you think of it like it's just like testosterone right and those were to go right and so the same thing with the stem cells is the IV the problem is is when you're doing some of these tissue derived stem cells.

[00:22:22] From a micron or whatever the size of the the stuff is it's just there's less risk. When I am in the same benefits that we go out. When you go Ivy that the number one place it's going to go to his heart and lungs through the first place if there's inflammation in that area as opposed to some of the other areas we want to work on and this is a good point that Kirk puts on aspirin acetylsalicylic acid lower glutathione levels.

[00:22:50] So he believes and said. Do as well and that could be why NSAIDs hurt the liver, you know be lots of people lose their livers from taking NSAIDs. In [00:23:00] fact Kirk. The reason I started taking. NAC because I've been taking glutathione for a long time. But the reason I started to keep taking I'm taking large doses.

[00:23:10] I'm taking 3 to 5 grams twice a day and people go. Oh I heard it doesn't work. It doesn't work for what for / for sports performance. I don't care about sports performance. I want to up glutathione production. But the reason I was taking it is because I had to take ibuprofen for my eye because that was the only way I could sleep all night.

[00:23:28] I thought well if I'm going to take Ibuprofen, I'm taking mega-doses of NAC, but I've continued to take it because it can only be good for you. It can only be good for you. So yeah, that's that's another that's right. But you know, I've had a had a client recently that she was doing glutathione.

[00:23:44] She was like a three cocktail a night gal and wanted to look three martinis and I gal and wanted to. So she was taking the glutathione to kind of offset that and I'm like well, yeah, but the problem that the concern we were having is if [00:24:00] you're taking glutathione in large amounts every single day, it can disrupt the natural production of the body is what you know, our concern was with her.

[00:24:10] And so that's for me like I'll do. Twice a week large injections moderate daily is good though, right? Yeah. I mean I'm I think there's 594 milligrams of liposomal glutathione in one packet. That's all I can take of that but the NAC something. I just recently introduced. I'm going to want to take a quick commercial break.

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[00:26:36] I need I'm in the market for a new speed out so I can embarrass people and I get invited to their house. Oh, you're bad. You're bad you're bad. So getting back to the study at hand. If you're a guy you've been told that you have some autoimmunity that's attacking a thyroid have your testosterone checked more importantly have your testosterone to estrogen [00:27:00] ratios checked make sure that your testosterone is high enough.

[00:27:04] This is where the magic is because you can shut that autoimmunity off. Apparently if you have Hashimoto's thyroiditis, and you know, I would say to women I'm willing to bet that women who have Hashimoto's which to Bumper Crop of women most mostly women develop this disorder and probably fibromyalgia.

[00:27:28] Is another one that's a female. I'm willing to bet if testosterone can shut off the disorder in men. I'm willing to bet that these are women who have either little or no testosterone in their body just of just a just a bit just a bit. So what do you think about that? Yeah. I think that like, you know, when you mentioned earlier that men that may have a thyroid issue to get your testosterone checked, I think women to I think you'll win it.

[00:27:56] It makes so much sense because when I think of women the [00:28:00] number one prescribed hormone is thyroid right outside of like a birth control thing in the number one thing that we see women lack is testosterone and when you talk about testosterone, you know, I think I told you a story there's a client of ours we purchased sessions at 4, right and she's like 33 and it's like for just for people listening that's like a 90 year old woman.

[00:28:26] Because in a wheelchair doesn't do anything so she goes to her we recommend it to stop stirone cream and she's like I want to talk to my OBGYN and we kind of you can anticipate how that's going to go and so she went in and she called from from there. And and she said hey, I have some questions and OBGYN was like Hey, you know, this says low-dose testosterone.

[00:28:52] It was like for milligram. She said I'm not comfortable or she said this isn't low-dose testosterone [00:29:00] and we said what is low-dose testosterone. She's like no testosterone. We said how many people have you how many women have you put this is she's this woman was in her like late 50s. He's been practicing for a long time.

[00:29:16] We should how many women have you put on testosterone therapy? Not exactly and I was like, you know, nothing's it's like me ask my wife how many girlfriends am I allowed to have zero right like they're just it's she does she's not okay with any situation, right? And it's sad it's because it is doesn't understand it.

[00:29:34] Right and so instead of getting upset which is approach. Unfortunately a lot of people do is I try to emphasize with them. It just say like, you know why let's talk about it. You're probably scared. You don't understand it. How can we help you? I them is that the first question I would ask is. How many 20 year old and 30 roll patients?

[00:29:52] Have you seen in your practice in your lifetime? Oh hundreds times how many 20 year old patients have you seen [00:30:00] with? No testosterone? Yeah, like that's where I would start. Well, that's well. They're young that's different. Exactly. Right exactly. There's a problem there and you know birth all kinds of things can change.

[00:30:15] The Dynamics of the hormones but they have no problem putting my birth control and have no problem putting on thyroid. And those are things that caused some of the biggest problems wait, wait, wait a minute and there's no problem with the doctor who has a patient a female patient who is transgendered and wants to become a man.

[00:30:33] They have no problems giving them 400 milligrams a week of testosterone sippy innate to stimulate the changes needed them to become a man. Now think about that. They won't put a woman on four milligrams, right? Because it's cool and it's oh it's so accepted it's in it, but you know, it's terrible, but I think there's probably a lot of doctors wouldn't do that, but.

[00:30:54] It's the part is is the lack of understanding of how important to stop [00:31:00] sternum is to our health and well-being right? It's not about bench pressing right in those kind of things not about libido, right? You probably about how much I'm big in muscle it like I won't even work with you. Right? We don't want those aren't our people but the people that are about quality of life and well-being and feeling great.

[00:31:18] Like that's our people. That's what we that's what we want to work with men and. Fine. It's a it's a shame that but that's what we're doing. Right? We're out here. But here's a here's a great question from here's a great question. Here's a great question from a viewer. Tony Constantino. He says I recently started testosterone injections weekly have half a milliliter.

[00:31:37] That means it's most likely a hundred milligrams. Right? Right. I'm six weeks in and feeling slightly better. However still fatigued and tired will my doctor most likely need to increase the testosterone the test dosage. I'm a large man of 306 pounds. Absolutely F in lutely. He's actually he's actually there is a study out there that Anthony Robert sent me.

[00:32:00] [00:32:00] Eight years ago that showed that putting a man on a hundred milligrams a week of testosterone. Sippy innate actually makes them hypo gonna do because after two weeks your body stops producing its own testosterone that hundred milligrams is only about 87 milligrams of actual. And that's released over the course of Twenty Eight Days do the math.

[00:32:22] Yeah, and that's where in 20 days is like it's a stretch. It's something a lot of times it's even less but I had I think I might even share to the last show it when I really really good friends. He's a caveman my Doc's going to put me on testosterone we checked it and you know and his successor and actually wasn't that bad.

[00:32:37] It's his igf-1 was the worst but. We provide some peptides but in is it going to do a hundred milligrams once every two weeks and I was like, you're just going to destroy everything you have. That's good. Yeah, I'd rather see you do like a HCG program looks Som something that naturally do something or actually do it.

[00:32:57] You know, I actually do the [00:33:00] therapy and it was just so Tony. So Tony this is what you need to tell your doctor.

[00:33:08] You need to say and use this word say the pharmacokinetics of testosterone sipping Aiden and in date is 50% of it releases within the first three days. So that's 50 milligrams and we're not actually it's actually it's like 40 40 mg and then over the course of the next 25 days. The rest of it comes out so take 40 and divide it by 25.

[00:33:35] So basically you feel good for a couple days. And then you feel like crap for the balance of the days and then and after the second week because don't forget your filling in with this hundred milligrams a week after a couple day a couple weeks your body stops producing its testosterone. Now, you probably have lower testosterone now than you did when you first started therapy.

[00:33:57] You need to you need to have him do blood work on you [00:34:00] right now. Yeah and do blood work. Make sure you wait seven to ten days after the shot. Yeah, just so they can like show them that oh, wow. I was at 400 you put me on it. Now. I'm at 180 Yen. And then they and that's the eye opener to get them to be either really a hundred a hundred milligrams twice a week is.

[00:34:20] It's pretty much par for the course. Absolutely, even if it's like once every 5 days, you know, like we see some success in that with our lower dose to 200 200 200 milligrams a week of testosterone whether it's in one shot or across Two Shots is the standard by all of the most Progressive physicians in the world today.

[00:34:39] Yeah. It isn't like yeah, it's not like we threw a dart more, you know, like oh, that's the number it's because it works, you know what I mean? It's because it works. Yeah, and that will get you into the 729 hundred range. And and that's where you want to be. You don't want to be in the for her entire know sometimes higher you have it won't yeah, you're going to be in that range or higher.

[00:34:58] Yeah, and it's okay to be higher way to [00:35:00] go yesterday. We're talking to and he's like, what's the number? I said man, it doesn't matter if you're healthy if your blood pressure is good liver enzymes are good. Your HDL is fine your hemoglobin hematocrit. He's like my guys not checking all that stuff.

[00:35:11] I'm like, that's the stuff once you're on testosterone. It's like you do the injection. We know you're on it. How's everything else right? And so those are things we pay attention to make if you're healthy and you feel great. It doesn't matter if you're fifteen hundred seven hundred 1211. And that's irrelevant.

[00:35:25] Right? It's all about feeling great and staying healthy. So extrapolating from this study.  There are guys out there who have autoimmune disorders like me and you now I'm on testosterone. Okay, and I know where my autoimmunity is coming from actually. I don't have an autoimmune disorder. I have an autoimmune disorder as a result of iron overload.

[00:35:51] I'm actually going to give blood today.  I'm going again next week and going again the week after I'm going three weeks in a row to [00:36:00] really open each. Yeah, 500 milliliters. Yeah. Okay, and of course, I got to get my iron down. I got to get my hematocrit down I gotta. These things down I gotta get them down down down far because then I can switch to once every two months and when you once you've been diagnosed with iron overload, they'll take blood once a week from you without a problem because they know you're going to make it be that that you make you make it in three days.

[00:36:29] You make the volume back again, right? Yes, and my hematocrit after my last blood draw. Was still 17 and change and I think it's 19 where they cut off they say they won't take it and my hematocrit is high big know because the testosterone because I'm only on 300 milligrams a week. It's because of the iron iron overload.

[00:36:52] I'm doing some really deep Dives and iron overload and a lot of people men and women need to stop paying attention to this because I think this [00:37:00] is a bigger problem. The things that we attribute to aging the nervous system breaking down and aches and pains joint pain metal in general to this something.

[00:37:12] That's bad. You know, this is a great question.  Okay. So Nicole Hank and says I have Hashimoto's so does my mom what can I do naturally to help a well first of Reason first of. You got to cut all the foods out that a linked to autoimmunity like you this isn't just about genetics. This is about how you eat and people say oh my mom has it.

[00:37:40] My sister has it. I have it. It's genetic know your mom learned how to cook and feed you by her mother and you learned what to eat from what you ate in your household. So there's a huge huge dietary component here. That you need to address first all grains [00:38:00] out all grains all soil out, you know corn never eat corn again.

[00:38:05] These are these are foods that will give you autoimmune disorders. We know this but then the other thing is what can I do not flee to help you go get your hormones tested and see where your testosterone is in one thing though that we have looked into as well that helps with Hashimoto's when we've seen as low dose now track no tracks and now tracks off now track them two milligrams hematin.

[00:38:29] I've seen some stuff that I actually considered it to see if it helped with me for the autoimmune. I never got around to I'm just going to try. Beat it. Anyway, I'm opted not to try it because now tracks on is actually a very nasty drug, but they say well if you only taken two milligrams and so I don't know enough about it.

[00:38:47] That's why didn't you know, I'm only putting anything in my body that I know not what low dose not cutting out Rex own cake became very very popular about eight years ago with women who suffered from fibromyalgia. We're drugs like [00:39:00] Gabapentin, you know that yeah supposed to suppress the antibodies which would see but it's a president insists that suppresses the immune system.

[00:39:09] You don't you don't yes for me. It didn't no. No, it doesn't like looking mirror because it's a low dose because it's a low dose. It doesn't completely completely suppress it. It just turns it down. But what you need to look at why your immune system is reacting the way it is now. Yeah, you know and I know for me personally like maybe help with Nicole's question is I can literally eat certain foods and just feel myself like going down right me too.

[00:39:39] Me too. There's certain candies now, there's certain things. Like I feel like every time I go to the movies, I feel like crap and it's usually because I'm eating no I did that just sugar. That's your sugar sugar sugar sugar skis, it's the sugar the popcorn the butter like all and it just. You know what?

[00:39:56] I mean? And so when I eat clean I feel the [00:40:00] best, you know what I mean? It's like and it's get its kind of lit walking making those choices of don't want to put is this meal worth feeling like crap or do I want to feel good, you know, and it's just that discipline. Rob wolf came on my show end of last year because he and I had this discussion offline Rob wolf who wrote The Paleo Solution and you know, he's brilliant guy and very well follow.

[00:40:25] Rob will tell you like if he eats a piece of pizza, he feels sick for two days and I and that's what got me on so Eliza and I will home one night doing something at the house and I said, you know, I haven't had pizza in like five years. I used to make pizza when I was a kid when I might my cousin had a pizzeria.

[00:40:42] I used to make pizza when I was in college. I said, I haven't had pizza and I don't know how long so we ordered a Papa John's. All right. I ate one slice of that pizza because that's all I really wanted. I felt horrible the next day my my [00:41:00] hyperalgesia in my legs the sensitivity in my legs. It was the worst it's ever been and I was like, oh my God, like this is autoimmunity, isn't it?

[00:41:09] That's exactly what this is. Like, I can't even pull estimate pizza and once I don't even think that's like I've removed it from my food thought process. You know where my wife's like well, how about pizza? And I'm like, I just like ignore it because I. It's that bad unless I could be like gluten free or some cauliflower pizzas and should look like I love chicken crust pizza.

[00:41:29] I make a pizza out of chicken chicken. I take the chicken I am. Oh I know the wet the recipes on my website. So you take you take ground chicken, you take a quarter cup of almond flour. You take a little parmesan cheese sprinkle it in there put some spices in if you want flatten it out on a cookie sheet well-oiled cookie sheet bake it in the oven on one side till it's brown.

[00:41:53] Flip it put it back on the cookie sheet put your tomato sauce and your cheese and everything on top of it. Put it [00:42:00] back in the oven until the other side of the brown take it out and cut it and it has the the texture of real pizza dough, but it's a hundred percent chicken. Yeah protein. It's so you think about what about The Nightshade stuff?

[00:42:13] You said the tomato pie I have cut back. I don't eat a plant anymore. I'll still eat tomato once in a while, but I don't eat eggplant. Yeah, I'm at once in awhile tomato, but I I still try not to I just your the it's an old-school rule of thumb at The Wider your food the healthier to I mean like if you the chickens and you know, that was always like the diet that would help me with this stomach disrupt.

[00:42:38] The stuff is eat things that are white right? And if the clean once you start getting into these darker colored. Foods, but Nicole you need to change your diet. You need to eat paleo right animal protein and green stuff that grows out of the ground stay away from the grains and the soy stay away from the corn.

[00:42:57] You can eat limited amounts of [00:43:00] rice white rice because the husk has been removed, but you need to stay away from Beans. Legumes are horrible for people who have autoimmune disorders and Hashimoto's is an autoimmune disorder. It's coming from your gut consider getting your hormones tested. That's will do it natural.

[00:43:19] Come see us. Yeah got ReNew Life RX reach out to Adam. They'll do you they'll do your blood work? You don't need you don't have to do anything just have your blood work done. So, you know what you're dealing with. Absolutely autoimmunity is driven by the diet. And yes, you'll you may have to change your the way you eat for the rest of your life.

[00:43:35] But the rest of your life will be much more enjoyable. So that's that's the bottom line there. Yeah, I don't understand why so when Eliza started HRT, she had a woman nurse practitioner tell her that you know, you don't want to raise your testosterone levels. Oh, you're going to have yeah, [00:44:00] Epstein-Barr low iron and vitamin B deficiency migraines.

[00:44:04] Oh my goodness, you poor thing you yes, it's all linked together. This is all autoimmunity. Also. It's worthwhile having your microbiome tested. Dr. Carl page. Does this whole microbiome testing thing? We're doing it for me right now. Where they look and see what what bad microbes you have in your body.

[00:44:26] If you have bad microbes in your body, they eat your food and they poop they poop out poison. And those poisons are what break down your diet. I mean your body I'm looking at Kurt Yaeger. He said she should look at the AIP diet. I don't know what that is.  I don't know what that is. I want to do one of those microbiome tests and it's on your local does.

[00:44:47] It's worth it. It's worth it to know what's going on inside your gut because all autoimmunity comes from the gut all of it. It's from gut problems people who have autoimmune disorders will tell you they get bloated if they eat this they get [00:45:00] diarrhea if they eat that they get constipated if they eat this their stomach they wake up in the morning belching.

[00:45:05] They haven't even eaten anything. Also Nicole hot coffee out. I stopped drinking coffee. My stomach feels so much better. It is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Yeah cut coffee out. Well my coffee. I know listen. We just talked the other day about a study that shows that 3G 2.3 gigahertz destroys the mucosal barrier in the face in the sinuses because you hold your phone here, right?

[00:45:41] By breaking down the Cilia that keeps the mucosal barrier in place. Well, you have mucosal barrier in your gut and you have it in your colon. Some people carry their phone in their pocket their front pocket their side pocket on a belt loop. So it's radiating into your gut to don't don't and when I tell people about this they go.

[00:46:00] [00:45:59] Oh great. What do I go to get rid of my cell phone now? Well, if it cured you could you could you at least put it on airplane mode when it's on your person like are you a neurosurgeon? Is there a brain coming in like in a frozen box that you have to transplant it to somebody's head or you just an average schmoe like me where like if you miss a call to world keeps going.

[00:46:19] My phone is in my pocket. It's on airplane mode. Hell yeah, I unplugged the routers the cordless phones in our house at night before we go to sleep. So I was thinking I'd love to have a some something that helped reversed the effects of what that stuff does because we're not going to stop that.

[00:46:38] There's no way to it. So I'm out. So we did a show the other day where we talked about this study. We're just because this is a study out that shows that the Cilia on your cells act as an antenna. And this is where so mitral valve prolapse is something you usually born with but all of a sudden we have a bumper crop of [00:47:00] adult onset onset mitral valve prolapse in our population.

[00:47:04] Well, they're now discovering that it may be from cellular telephone frequencies causing the Cilia to pick up information not intended for it and change the way the valve functions now, wait a minute. So we talked about that study the other day and I said to Chad Jared that had on the show. I said, what about everybody's got a fib today?

[00:47:31] So I was at the gym the other day True Story train in this guide on nice guy known for a long time again comes over tells me his wife just had surgery. She's not doing well. It's what happened mitral valve prolapse. I said, I just did a show about how mitral valve prolapse can be caused by cellular telephones.

[00:47:46] Hmm. He goes to me. You're kidding me. I said no and I suspect that that's where all the afib is coming from. This is a true story. He goes to me I have AFib.  And I go where's your [00:48:00] phone and he takes his jacket inside pocket and goes like this and pulls it out. To I said dude man. Don't put you don't put your phone over your heart.

[00:48:09] It's transmitting right into your heart all the time. He goes to me the headphones partly part of its because I'm lazy and I want to hold it to my head. But but I never hold my phone to my head. I put it on speaker. I put it in my back. It's always in my back right pocket or on the counter put it on put it on airplane mode if you're going to keep it here.

[00:48:25] So then he goes through its away it gets better. So then he goes to me, but I got this disk on the back of. I says what the disc he says, well, I bought it online. It's supposed to block all the harmful RF from getting to me. I said if that worked you wouldn't be able to make a receive a phone call and he just looked at me I said well think about it if that actually blocked the RF successful.

[00:48:50] Then you wouldn't be able to make or receive phone call because it would block The Cellular Tower from getting to your phone. It would block your phone from getting to the cell tower. And he looked at me. He goes like shutting off your [00:49:00] location and all that. I mean all that kind of thing. It's just I got to put it on airplane mode.

[00:49:03] Just put it on airplane mode when it's in your pocket. It's not the worst thing in the world. He had the coal says I agree. I have heard fillings in your mouth Yes cell phones. Well, you know what? I got a bunch of fillings in my mouth Nicole the silver ones and I want to get them out because of the aroma.

[00:49:21] Yeah the slow leaching of mercury into your body. You know what it's terrible what has been done to people and what is and wait 5 G is coming of 5G is coming up and asked if I'd you supposed to be. Like pretty scary stuff. So let me give you a quick quick education about how RF work because I actually spent the first eight years of my life in the land mobile radio and paging business.

[00:49:45] I was one of the first cellular companies in Las Vegas Nevada Cellular One signed us up because I had imts mobile phone and they just wanted us to switch all of our customers over the cellular which we did so. [00:50:00] The bigger the number five thousand five G is 5000 megahertz 6G is 6,000 megahertz. 3G is two point three thousand Mega Hertz or 2200 megahertz.

[00:50:10] So the bigger the number the smaller the wavelength, but the more wavelength in a given treating it like a laser type right look more focused. Right? Yeah. So what happens is what happens is. With so let's let's imagine you understand how digital works on off on off, right? Okay. So if 3G and I'm just using this as an example as 3000 waves.

[00:50:40] In 10 inches 5 G has 9,000 waves in 10 inches so you can send more information because there's more waves in a given area right fast, but but they get smaller and smaller and smaller in order to achieve that well the Cilia [00:51:00] on every cell in your body. Is from 2 microns to 2 millimeters in length, and it attenuates that's where the word antenna comes from.

[00:51:09] So if it's if the Cilia is 1/100 of the original wavelength, it will be stimulated by that wavelength.  So as we go up to five G, which is actually 7 gigahertz. We're going to start stimulating smaller and smaller antenna on ourselves. You're going to see a whole new bumper crop of diseases in the next five years.

[00:51:31] Once they release release 5G.  And this is scary. No, yeah, I spent eight years in this in RF business and just because you can't see it. You think it's not doing anything then and then when you say to people what about your microwave? Oh, well, that's different. That's a lot of power. Oh, yeah.

[00:51:47] It's a lot of power focused on a small area. So what do you think your phone is doing? It's a little bit of power. So focused on a small area. So the result in slower and then people say, oh, well, I saw that video where the guy tape to [00:52:00] cell phones together. And tried to cook an egg in a didn't work.

[00:52:03] So see the cell phone. Yeah, but there are studies out there that show that cellular telephones stimulate the brain in different regions when you're holding it up to your head. So maybe it's not cooking your brain, but it's doing something to the cells in your brain. So we got to stop thinking like idiots.

[00:52:18] We got to start using critical thinking because we want now we want easy we want you know, and that's what like, I think the microwave is always in my opinion like. I can't believe people don't talk about the microwave because it's been around for a long time. You put something in something pressing button and it's freaking hot and 30 seconds and like that's not strange because you know think of like.

[00:52:39] I've always just about always I remember. Yeah, I was I'm like the era of I remember the VCRs coming out right? I remember that microwave coming out, right but things like my kids and like generation in people that maybe five ten years younger than me. They don't know not having a microwave, you know, it's.

[00:53:00] [00:53:00] Not having a cell phone either this office phone in my office in the office manager here. I was like, I don't know how to work that thing have an A.1. I mean, she's like what but you know those kind of things we don't know so we don't question. It's all it's what we've always had. Yeah, right.

[00:53:15] Yeah, and it says some of these things are definitely doing harm. There's no doubt in my mind about. No doubt my mind about let's take a last commercial break and we'll wrap up the interview will stay tuned. Well, we lost the internet connection for the video. So those of you who are listening to the.

[00:53:52] broadcast on podcast.  so Nicole Hankins asked the question. I want to answer and she said she went to a doctor [00:54:00] who suggested to do coffee enemas to clean out the bacteria from your gut to help leaky gut and she can't hear my response right now.  Because we have an internet problem and I'm waiting for it to resolve.

[00:54:16] But the reality is that this is nonsense. First of all, the only thing a coffee enema does is clean out your colon your gut is like literally, you know, 10 miles more to cover so it's not doing anything for leaky gut number two. There's no magic in coffee enemas. There's no antimicrobial antibacterial effects.

[00:54:43] Of coffee, if that's the case just do a regular enema with with saline solution. That's not going to help your gut. It's just not it may cleanse your colon, but it's not going to do anything for your gun. I'm sorry to tell you. So that's nonsense. That's just nonsense. [00:55:00] You know, I'm not a big fan of colonics either.

[00:55:03] I think that.  fooling with the. Microbial diversity of your colon can actually backfire on you because we know that.  We know that. I wonder if I can get Adam on his cell phone. Hold on a second. Just bear with me for one second here Adam Lamb.

[00:55:30] We know that they'll actually give people fecal transplants. And literally change their health. Let's see if I can do this.

[00:55:46] We'll get Adam back on the phone here, which is do it on the phone. Hey man, sit tight we lost the internet. And so I'm just going to bring you back on the phone right now. I don't know [00:56:00] what's going on. I don't know if it's Be Live or to me or what. So I'm going to repeat this. Nicole Hankins asked.

[00:56:07] That she said she went to a doctor who suggested that she do coffee enemas to clean out the bacteria from her gut to help with leaky gut and and and this is this is pretty much nonsense. It really is. Yeah, so he and here's why it's nonsense number one.  All it does is get into your colon. Number.

[00:56:27] One. Number two. The rest of your gut is like 10 miles long. It's not doing anything for that leaky gut happens further up north in the intestines. It's not happening in the colon per se but more importantly what what what is coffee really have some magical effects. It's not an antimicrobial not an antibacterial, but what people do get through with that it helps you go to the bathroom.

[00:56:55] Yes, but that's when you drink it. That's when you drank it [00:57:00] all enemas help you go to the bathroom. You could use saline, you know salt water and I'll help you go to bed. But the point is he is the his the magic of Coffee Bean on him a coffee enemas. You you absorb a bunch of the caffeine. You literally feel energized there for people like, oh my God, it must be working.

[00:57:14] I feel so much energy. I think I want to go run around the block now. That's the caffeine if you consume that much coffee through your mouth you'd feel the same way.  so the reality is that. Animals in general I wouldn't even fool around with I know there's a lot of people go for colonics, but you did you're disrupting the microbial diversity of your colon and we know there's something to that because fecal transplants will actually save people from dying from c-diff so we know that the: Is like a really sensitive specific area of the body that if you introduce good bacteria to it.

[00:57:55] It'll save your life. So flushing out a bunch of bacteria may actually harm you [00:58:00] what do you what are your thoughts? Yeah. I I've never done it and it's not something that I've ever thought made sense. I think that to your point. It's not about. Going in, you know the food part, right? So to me, it makes sense of what you put in to the system.

[00:58:20] Right? In this case. We're talking about digestive system is more important than what you take out or you know, when you're putting something in the back door. It's just not how things are supposed to work. Right? And so to expect I think that it can change some you know, I think what happens is people you have like this build up of bacteria and.

[00:58:41] Shit crud poop, whatever you want to call in there. That's not being that's not coming out because the gut you know the depth inflamed. So it's holding onto the stuff and putting doing the coffee enema might help with that but there's plenty of other supplements that will help break that down. [00:59:00] Have it come out for sure.

[00:59:02] Yeah. Yeah, and so I think I think these coffee enemas are a scam. I don't think they do anything except give you a rush of energy because you're absorbing all of that all of that caffeine and that's really all there is to that. Yeah, I agree. We're going to wrap up the interview anyway, because it's we've actually killed the time wisely and it's a good discussion.

[00:59:22] You know, there's a lot more to testosterone. We're still learning here clearly. It has an effect on autoimmunity. That should be taken seriously by anybody who has an autoimmune disorder and if it's thyroiditis, you really need to get to your doctor and talk to them about. I mean, I will check the blood work for you it ReNew Life.

[00:59:41] All right. I was just going to say go go to renew life are x.com. Get in touch with Adam have your blood work done? See where your testosterone levels are and if you're a woman I would see where your testosterone levels are too because this strikes women more than men clearly. There's a testosterone component to it.

[01:00:00] [01:00:00] If you have Hashimoto's thyroiditis, so having your testosterone tested and possibly supplementing with testosterone and really easy thing for women. They give them tro keys. They put it on you put it under your tongue. It's like a piece of candy for five milligrams a day. Boom. You're done. Do you guys do the troll keys?

[01:00:18] Yeah, we have in the past and it's something we're actually recently that just came up that we're looking into you know, like I've always said before there's there's some things that might work but there's a lot of things that we know for sure work really well, so it's all about like bioavailability safety.

[01:00:40] You know, those are things are really important. So like when someone's looking to work with us, Welcome to know we're not trying any like weird you look we want to make sure it's going to work and we want to make sure it's going to work for everybody. Not just because the pharmacy said it that is the drug company said like we want to know because the research we do with our blood work and our follow-up their patients it's there because that's the most important thing to [01:01:00] us is their health and how they feel right?

[01:01:03] And so that supersedes everything. So we're looking into doing the trophy thing just because we've had some women that have said that their skin is sensitive and. If they put something on it, they'll get a rash until like well, we don't want them to not be able to feel better and we don't really like injections for women.

[01:01:21] So that's something we're actually looking into because it's available. They're good. They're great that mean I've actually tried a couple they come in like mint they come in cherry flavor. It's almost like the consistency of a cough drop, you know, they're like a soft clearish colored piece of candy babe.

[01:01:36] I take it you have taken them before dissolving little waxy. See I couldn't I couldn't get those I couldn't get those because I'd eat the whole box in the day because I treat them like candy. I just keep eating them. Right. Anyway, I their website is ReNew Life RX.com. It's where you need to go.

[01:01:57] Get in touch with Adam. Let them know you heard about [01:02:00] this on supremum radio. And like I said, if you've got Hashimoto's disease in your blood and your family or you've already been told that you've got it and it's just not kicking in yet get your testosterone tested and get it straightened out.

[01:02:14] That's it. Yeah, love the house. All right, brother. Talk to you soon here Carl. I will see everybody tomorrow. Don't forget tomorrow is the pep talk. We'll see you

[01:03:00] [01:02:41] then.