[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] hey, welcome back to another episode of super human radio. We have a really good show for you today, especially if you or someone, you know, suffers from multiple sclerosis. Um, there are ways that you can take control of this disease and, uh, they are very effective and you probably won't hear about them as a rule, uh, through the medical orthodoxy.

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[00:02:04] When did it start tell the audience about your, your, your journey? Let's say,

[00:02:09] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:02:09] well, I think it probably started when I was in high school. Um, but when I got diagnosed was it took awhile along. It took a long time to get diagnosed. Um, and me, like a lot of other patients, you go through the whole medical system and people don't really put it all together for a while until they start figuring out that you have ms.

[00:02:28] Um, so, but, uh, 12 years ago or so I was, I was driving on the wrong side of the road. And, uh, so I went to the neurologist and, and was driving on the wrong side of road. My wife asked me why I'm driving on the wrong side of the road. And I said, I don't know why. So I made an appointment and he said, Oh, you probably just have anxiety.

[00:02:48] Uh,

[00:02:48] Carl Lanore: [00:02:48] nothing. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Wait a minute. So disorientation is now a symptom of anxiety. That's just, I mean, I know a lot of people who have, [00:03:00] have bet high anxiety, I've never heard of them driving on the wrong side of the road. That's, that's fascinating to me. I'll just let that one go.

[00:03:06] So he has,

[00:03:07] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:03:07] he didn't really quite believe me, but he said, um, he said, well, just in case, you know, I'll do a, uh, MRI. And, um, and I did have one other symptom developing at the time where it bent my neck. I started feeling electric shocks going down my spine. So, so he said, okay, well, because you have that, you know, You know, we'll consider ordering an MRI, but you're way too young to have any cognitive symptoms, even for any other neurological problems.

[00:03:32] So you probably just worried about having cognitive problems. So he did an F he did an MRI and he called me yeah. Okay. Later. And right after the MRI and said, uh, you know, Want to tell you on the phone to be more prepared that, uh, you should bring a family member and, you know, it looks like you've got multiple sclerosis.

[00:03:53] Um, so I went in and he's like, yeah, you got multiple sclerosis. And he said, honestly, I was really surprised you have lots of [00:04:00] lesions, your Brian's brain is fine. So, um, so he sent me to a, uh, ms. Neurologist, which already treats his ms. And, um, I went to them as neurologist and who all he'd been practicing for over 40 years.

[00:04:14] And he said he had never seen anyone at 40 years of practice. We had so many lesions, um, upon diagnosis. And then he said, Hey, he said, it was really like a galaxy Alicia. She said, yeah, I couldn't even count them. I had so many in the spine and he was really surprised that I could have so many lesions upon diagnosis.

[00:04:32] And I said, well, you know, I've complained to doctors about symptoms, but they never really. Always believe me, you know, and he, so, uh, but he was, he was really surprised. He's like, you know, this couldn't be six months or a year of lesions. This could be, this could easily be decades of lesions you have here.

[00:04:49] Um, and, and he, uh, he recommended me to be on a, on a drug called a Copaxone. And I, I was like, you know, I'm [00:05:00] going to treat myself. I'm not going to take the stone

[00:05:03] Carl Lanore: [00:05:03] naturopathic doctor at this point in time. Yeah, it was okay. Okay.

[00:05:07] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:05:07] Go ahead. And I treated a lot of, I treated a lot of auto immune disease, especially autoimmune thyroid disease.

[00:05:12] So I felt like, well, you know, I treat an autoimmune thyroid disease. I'll treat it. Naturopathically so I, I, uh,

[00:05:18] Carl Lanore: [00:05:18] wait, wait, so hold on. Cause I'm, I'm, I'm fat. I'm not fascinated by that because I know as many people who are on the bleeding edge of these types of diseases knows that there is an autoimmune component to it.

[00:05:31] Did your, did your. Neurologist ever discussed diet and auto-immunity with you at all?

[00:05:40] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:05:40] No, he, no, he didn't discuss diet or auto-immunity anything. He just recommended a drug. And, um, so I, so then I was like, okay, well, I'll just do what I treat for my thyroid patients. You know? Well, two food allergy testing, I'll take high doses of vitamin D three and work on diet, um, make, and then I did a heavy metal test.

[00:05:59] Make sure, [00:06:00] take out my heavy metals with, um, With DMSA and, you know, general kind of naturopathic principles and autoimmune and work on the diet. And then a year later I got a really bad at ms. Attack and it was, I barely could use my fingers. I couldn't play piano. It was hard to like,

[00:06:20] Carl Lanore: [00:06:20] hi, was it, was it over, over one day?

[00:06:22] I'm sorry, I keep interrupting you. But this is a fascinating discussion. I want to make sure the audience gets every morsel that they can from this. So. Um, was it, I went to sleep and I was fine. I woke up the next morning and I couldn't move my fingers.

[00:06:37] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:06:37] That was pretty fast. It wasn't that fast, but I would say over a period of.

[00:06:44] A period of week. I just got, I got, I, first of all, I got really confused. I was calling up my neurologist saying I'm just getting so confused. I'm having a hard time using the telephone. And then, um, and then, and then a couple of days later, I'm like, you know, it's hard to use my fingers and a couple of days [00:07:00] later, I'm like, it's hard to, it's really hard to use my arms.

[00:07:03] Um, and then, um,

[00:07:06] Carl Lanore: [00:07:06] yeah, so back to the doctor

[00:07:09] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:07:09] and I'm like, you know, I really can't even think. And then, um, So then he's like, well, you didn't do what I said, he got to go on the drug. So, um, so I did all the naturopathic yeah. Things, which I thought of, and it wouldn't be enough, but it really wasn't. I was, I was really humbled by it.

[00:07:25] I kind of came back and was like, okay, I'll take the drug again. So I took the drug. So it was, it was kind of like an adventure, you know, like I try this, I try that. I did the M and ms. Men tend to. There's a lot of different symptoms, um, which makes it more worse prognosis. So when I got diagnosed that the three things, which gives you a worse prognosis, one is even a brainstem lesion.

[00:07:50] And I did, if you're a man, that's the second one. And if you get diagnosed in your forties, those are the three things which give you poor prognosis. I was like, Oh, okay. [00:08:00] Yeah, I got three out of three. So, uh, so I took the drug, um, And then, then I'm like, okay, I gotta take this really seriously because I'm taking this drug and I still don't feel really that good.

[00:08:11] I can't really feel it. I don't really say I feel any better on it. Um, but I think it helps. I did it. I think it did help. It was a peptide actually. Um, Copaxone is a peptide. It's the only, uh, FDA approved peptide for, um, made out of similar myelin sheath. And I used it, but I still didn't feel quite right.

[00:08:31] I didn't feel good on it. So, I mean, and I don't think it was a side effect of the drug errors. It's still sad. A lot of cognitive problems still have a lot of,

[00:08:39] Carl Lanore: [00:08:39] and so this one, this was, this was injectable, or this was an oral,

[00:08:43] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:08:43] it was a daily injectable of a peptide. Right. And, um, so I did that, um, And then I, I just started trying other things as well.

[00:08:53] And I started looking at like, well, you know, look at glutathione, you know, which is one of the great antioxidants of the body and how to [00:09:00] maximize that. And I had low levels of it. So I took glutathione injections. I just started doing, um, all the basic stuff is before, too, before when I started. With the Copaxone before that I was doing what was called a Swank diet for ms, which was what a neurologist started, uh, recommended way back.

[00:09:21] And he was recommending a low saturated, fat diet that didn't work for me. And it makes sense because the brain is made out of saturated fat. Yeah. So going on a low saturated fatty acid just kept on getting worse and my MRI got worse. So I started doing the opposite and I started eating a lot of fat.

[00:09:36] Carl Lanore: [00:09:36] Did you, did you, did you do an almost ketogenic diet or did you do Frank ketogenic diet with a, you know, 60% of your diet was fat and very little carbohydrates at all?

[00:09:48] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:09:48] I try to, I mean, I, I, I wasn't like super, like, scientific about it, but I would try to have like a smoothie every day with lots of berries.

[00:09:58] Carl Lanore: [00:09:58] Yeah. Well, that's

[00:09:59] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:09:59] coconut [00:10:00] fat, right? Milk, low sugar, lots of polyphenols and lots of berries. And I think it really helped, um, I felt like eating lots of vegetables and limiting, you know, Letting me pastries and all that. And just really, yeah, it was a more closer to a keto

[00:10:16] Carl Lanore: [00:10:16] diet. So, um, I, I stole what I'm about to say from a brilliant man named Ron Penna, but, um, it's not what you start to eat.

[00:10:27] It's what you stop eating that has the greatest impact on dietary related disease States. So what were you eating a lot of. At the time of your diagnosis and, and, and what did you cut out?

[00:10:45] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:10:45] Well, uh, for me the worst thing, which I did, I just did digest well, it was beans and lentils. So cutting out beans and lentils.

[00:10:51] And I think that was for me because I just made me really gassy, you know, um, but eating more. Um, but you know, I'm a naturopath. We eat pretty healthy in general. Like my [00:11:00] diet was pretty healthy, but I think what I did was add a lot more saturated fats and coconut, and I think it was more, I still do.

[00:11:07] Carl Lanore: [00:11:07] You still eat fibers and foods, you still get plenty of fiber in your diet.

[00:11:13] Oh, yeah,

[00:11:13] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:11:13] I eat a lot. I mean, I can eat lots of vegetables. Absolutely.

[00:11:16] Carl Lanore: [00:11:16] I'm going to throw something at you just to provoke some thought, not that not to change your mind about anything. Um, I'm going to, I'm going to piece together a couple of conversations. So 15 years ago I had, uh, quite a few, um, really interesting conversations with them.

[00:11:35] The woman named Leslie Aiello, she was the head of the winter grand foundation in Manhattan. Do you know who they are? Winter grant is like, they're the top anthropology political minds in the world. They come together and they scrutinize everything about our ancestors and our journey. And she told me that then that this fascination with fiber was going to cause problems with people because we actually [00:12:00] evolve from Australia  to who we are today.

[00:12:04] And at every time we, and we reduced the fiber in our diet, our brains got bigger. Our muscles got bigger. Our guts got smaller. And she said to me, then she says, this fascination with fibers is going to cause problems. Okay. That was 15 years ago. So, um, I'm about to do a, uh, uh, uh, a panel show about something called auto-brewery syndrome, but not just because of the ethanol.

[00:12:29] Um, I would challenge you for one month to remove all fiber from your diet.

[00:12:37] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:12:37] Clayton County officials.

[00:12:39] Carl Lanore: [00:12:39] No. Who said vegetables are so important to us? Who said it? The, the FDA, the USDA to think about it. And throughout our lineage throughout, you know, it was, it was 45,000 years ago that we started to, uh, grow stuff.

[00:12:55] Uh, model crops so that we would have food all the time. [00:13:00] Prior to that. When did we eat vegetables? Assuming, depending on what part of the world you lived on only, only a few months out of the summer, because the rest of the time they just weren't available. You know, this nonsense that we're being told by the USDA and the FDA that this is what your plate should look like.

[00:13:17] That's so that they could get the money out of the subsidized crops that they're paying for because everybody stopped eating vegetables. And there's a lot of evidence of what I'm about to say. And I know there's people out there are going to call me in a hole for this, but magically. I know so many people, including myself, Who have had auto-immune issues that when they go carnivore like chicken, beef salmon, Eggs, you know, very, very little cheese there.

[00:13:45] Their symptoms subside in a couple of weeks. You know, when you look at the book that dr. Grundy wrote about the plant paradox, now, you know, we have a habit of going too far to the left or too far to the right in the middle is where we need to be. But he's pointed out [00:14:00] all of these horrible plants that we think are healthy that just destroy our bodies slowly.

[00:14:05] I would challenge you to try and eliminate all fiber from your diet, except the occasional, you know, what's in the berries maybe, but just see what happens over a couple of weeks, because here's the interesting thing that I've learned. Okay. Um, fiber Cybil fiber is supposed to be on digestible, but it's not true because they actually make ethanol.

[00:14:31] With non-viable fiber by first exposing it to acid. Well, what's the gut have acid. Once fiber has been in a, uh, undergoes hydrolysis in an acid bath. Now there are microbes and more importantly, there are fun guy that will convert it into ethanol and other things. And so when you start to look at that and you think, Oh my God, like when I, because for me, when I would eat.

[00:15:00] [00:14:59] High fiber. I mean, 50 grams in a day. My symptoms were horrible for the next couple of days. I really, I felt like, Oh my God. And I kept thinking it was just carbohydrates. And now that I've eliminated fiber, I can tell you, I am starting to see the clouds clear. Just give him any

[00:15:15] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:15:15] weight.

[00:15:16] Carl Lanore: [00:15:16] Okay. I, well, I, I just told you, I eat a lot of animal protein.

[00:15:20] I eat a lot of beans. I do a little dairy. I like cheese, a little cheese, and I'm not, I'm not, you know, uh, I'll like I have broccoli today in my, I have a pound of ground beef. Piedmontese beef. They're responsive the best beef in the world and some broccoli. So it's not like I'm a, um, I'm not like a jerk about it.

[00:15:39] You know, there's a little bit of fiber

[00:15:41] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:15:41] say broccoli.

[00:15:44] Carl Lanore: [00:15:44] My point is, if you would try to eliminate fiber, I challenge you to, and then come back on this show and tell me what you notice, but go ahead. I'm sorry. I don't want to derail the conversation.

[00:15:54] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:15:54] Yeah, no problem. Okay. I never heard of that. Um, so as I've tried different [00:16:00] things and, um, but overall I would, I would say that, uh, the things which improved me the most, um, would be.

[00:16:09] I did, um, uh, fecal trans fecal implants. Yeah. Um, I did last year a 20. Those that helped me a lot. Then I also, um, also have a exercise while on oxygen therapy. So, um, I have an oxygen concentrator and I try to do that 15 minutes a day, at least. Um, and it basically, it's like a, it's a huge, it's a. It's quite a set up, you know, it's, uh, a huge, what's called a bladder and it fills it up with oxygen.

[00:16:39] You put a mask on and you exercise because the brain needs oxygen. So I think the, so really that made a big difference, saturating my body with oxygen. Um, and you know, I accidental actually was a little low below normal range. Um, partly because the, uh, the innovation to my diaphragm wasn't working as well.

[00:16:58] So my lungs, I would get. I'd [00:17:00] go as low as 89, um, oxygen. So now, you know, with this, I'm able to be back in the normal range of 98. That's helped me a lot. Um, I'll also taking herbs, such as curcumin, um, essential oils, a tumeric firmware owns, um, mushrooms, like lion's means helped me a lot. Um, and then the other thing is, which has really helped me a lot is, um, there's a compound called Rosa moronic acid.

[00:17:25] Okay. Um, and it's one of the, a lot of the palliative females. So you probably females or little pigments, which are found in berries and different and different herbs, and they help decrease the inflammation of the neuronal. There's the different cells called the Meeker, the microglia they're in the brain and they, what.

[00:17:45] To get an ms attack. There needs to be inflammation of these neuronal cells. Right. And these help calm it down. So yeah, things like green tea drinking, a lot of all these every day has helped me a lot. Um, and then the other thing which I've added [00:18:00] three months ago, which has made a very big difference as far as I can tell is, um, I've been taking injections of other peptides, not just the Copaxone, but taking injections of peptides of, uh, Thymus in beta four, I take 50 CC every two days.

[00:18:18] It's an injection. The insulin syringe. Um, yeah, I guess

[00:18:22] Carl Lanore: [00:18:22] now my audience is, my audience is very well versed on peptides. In fact, I have a twice monthly show called the Peptalk. We've been talking about peptides on this show since 2006. Yeah.

[00:18:34] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:18:34] And I also take a famous, an alpha find the thing.

[00:18:36] Carl Lanore: [00:18:36] Yes. Yeah. I was an alpha one, which is very powerful antiviral also.

[00:18:40] Yeah.

[00:18:41] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:18:41] So I take both of those, uh, three days a week. Um, so I would say I get these injections. Ain't got him right

[00:18:48] Carl Lanore: [00:18:48] here. Is that the one on the right? The green one is from TaylorMade pharmacy.

[00:18:53] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:18:53] The white front. Yeah. And that one's from Taylor. Yep. Um, then I also, you know, I take like [00:19:00] a fish oils and Omega oils.

[00:19:03] Um, and I also

[00:19:06] Carl Lanore: [00:19:06] let's talk about that for a second. So high dose will make it three has been shown to reverse the myelination in some people. So it obviously it's very important.

[00:19:14] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:19:14] Yeah. And it also decreases the chance of getting attack. And I know some people who've gotten a text and said that they just take like five, six tablespoons at a time when they're getting an attack.

[00:19:25] Carl Lanore: [00:19:25] Yeah. Cause of the inflammation. Sure,

[00:19:27] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:19:27] sure. Excellent. So, um, you know, I, I take. Um, vitamin B, you don't see that, but vitamin D three, I take, I try to get my levels in the fifth, in the 50 out and about 50, you know, people who have in the credo have no auto immune diseases. They're closer to 100 and you know, people.

[00:19:46] So I take 10,000. A day of that and also take, um, Rosemary acid every day. Um, so between all those things between the peptides, this and that, you know, I'm, um, you [00:20:00] know, it's still a struggle, but I would say I'm doing quite well. I may not a good day. I can still do double diamonds skiing, downhill and Killington.

[00:20:09] So, um, where you been,

[00:20:11] Carl Lanore: [00:20:11] I've been there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:20:13] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:20:13] They've been there. So I know on a good day, I can still do that. So I'm, I'm. My gait is pretty normal. Um, but you know,

[00:20:20] Carl Lanore: [00:20:20] any, any parasthesia, any parasthesia any, uh, uh, peripheral limb sensations at all?

[00:20:30] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:20:30] I have some numbness, but it's the burning pain is isn't is quietly, is mostly reduced.

[00:20:36] Carl Lanore: [00:20:36] Right. And any tinnitus, any ringing in the ears?

[00:20:40] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:20:40] No.

[00:20:40] Carl Lanore: [00:20:40] Okay. All right. Um, So a couple of questions. Now, first of all, I got to put this up for the people, watching the show who want insights and how to treat, uh, your own, uh, multiple sclerosis and learn to manage it. You can go to SHR network.biz/m S uh, for the [00:21:00] book.

[00:21:01] Uh, and the book is called, there's no pill for this. A naturopathic physicians, personal prescription for managing multiple sclerosis. So you can go there. Um, so, okay. Lots of, lots of questions I have. Have you ever had any, uh, stool tests to determine the, uh, diversity of your gut microbiome?

[00:21:24] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:21:24] Um, yeah, yeah, I've done it.

[00:21:25] Yes. I mean, I've done it before and after field implants. Yeah, I've done. Um, I have done that.

[00:21:31] Carl Lanore: [00:21:31] What have you seen? What, what, so what have you seen, have you seen, uh, certain microbes disappear? Have you seen a per bond ponderance of, of suspicious microbes before the fecal transplants? What have you noticed?

[00:21:42] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:21:42] Yeah, I noticed that there was, um, some more, um, war preponderance of like. Quote, unquote, bad bacteria, which went away after the fecal to implants. Um, and I also noticed that it didn't have enough digestive enzymes, but took digestive enzymes.

[00:22:00] [00:22:00] Carl Lanore: [00:22:00] We're not talking about hydrochloric acid, we're talking about actual and enzymes themselves, you know, lipase and so on and so forth.

[00:22:07] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:22:07] Yep. Okay. Excellent. Um, so yeah, so the, the stool test is one of the things I use to help, um, kind of figure out. What w what pathogenic bacteria there is, you know, I take a lot of, uh, berberine and golden seal, which helps with gut Flores. Wow.

[00:22:23] Carl Lanore: [00:22:23] So, um, how was your fasting, blood sugar? Do you check it periodically

[00:22:29] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:22:29] now?

[00:22:30] I've never checked my fasting, blood sugar. I mean, my, um, and never had blood sugar. Quick code problems. I mean, I can fast for a long time without

[00:22:39] Carl Lanore: [00:22:39] okay. So you're very metabolically flexible. Good, good.

[00:22:41] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:22:41] You know, so I can, I can, I've also worked with not eating as, you know, having like, uh, eating, maybe, uh, not eating like 14, 16.

[00:22:52] Carl Lanore: [00:22:52] Yeah. So time time restricted eating. Yeah. Fast you fast for 16 hours and then eat for, right? Yeah. Um, what about sleep? [00:23:00] How is your sleep and how was it when your symptoms were the worse.

[00:23:06] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:23:06] Yeah, well, I've always been a good sleeper in the sense, like I fall asleep quickly, no matter what, I mean, I've always been a good sleeper, but I do wake up.

[00:23:14] Um, I do wake up. I do have to wake up. Um, I do have some autonomic symptoms which wakes me up. So I, I do, I wake up frequently because of, uh, mostly autonomic symptoms. So I sweat at night or also sometimes my heart rate goes too high or too low. Um, and I forget up an ATP or, uh, one of my symptoms of my ms is that my shoulders dislocate a bit.

[00:23:38] So it's hard to, um, the innovation to the, around the shoulder gets impacted. So that wakes me up with pain. Right. So I wear a lot of ms. Patients have a hard time sleeping. I, I, um, I'm lucky in the sense I fall asleep really easily. Um, but

[00:23:54] Carl Lanore: [00:23:54] you don't stay asleep.

[00:23:56] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:23:56] I wake up for this or that reason.

[00:23:57] Carl Lanore: [00:23:57] Every, I do wake up like every, every [00:24:00] night at 2:00 PM.

[00:24:00] I am. And then you just wake up periodically thereafter or just, it's just random.

[00:24:07] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:24:07] I think it's random. I, I mean, it seems like it depends where if I have, from my audit omics, in terms of I sweat. Then I have to go. Um, it's it seems kind of random.

[00:24:18] Carl Lanore: [00:24:18] Um, have you,

[00:24:20] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:24:20] I don't have long periods of being awake. I fall asleep within a few minutes,

[00:24:25] Carl Lanore: [00:24:25] but fragmented sleep is still a concern for everybody.

[00:24:28] We know that let fragmented sleep leads to a lot of problems. So heart disease it's been tied to dementia or Alzheimer's disease, you know, um, dr. Dale Bredesen has been on the show a few times over the years. And I'm sure you know who he is right at the end of Alzheimer's author. And, um, it's, it's really amazing that a lot of these symptoms are shared by multitude of disorders.

[00:24:52] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:24:52] And,

[00:24:53] Carl Lanore: [00:24:53] and so, you know, and that's why I keep coming back to the autoimmune issues because it's, uh, you know, sweating at night could be an autoimmune [00:25:00] issue as well, but anyway, have you ever done a round of LL three seven.

[00:25:06] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:25:06] No, you know what it is

[00:25:08] Carl Lanore: [00:25:08] now. Okay. So LL three seven is a peptide. It's a, it's a human capital citizen. It is anti-microbial anti-fungal. You do very low doses of it. A hundred to 150 micrograms a day for 30 or 40 days. And your gut will change. Uh, for the better and any fungus, I, we did shows about a LL three seven, I dunno, five, four, four years ago, maybe four years ago, three years ago.

[00:25:37] Uh, and I have people in the audience who emailed me and said it made their toenail fungus go away.

[00:25:42] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:25:42] Huh? It's about, yeah,

[00:25:45] Carl Lanore: [00:25:45] Ella  is the name of the PEPFAR. I don't know. I don't know. It's an antiviral antifungal, a fungal, and it's also anti-microbial, uh, it seems to go after any [00:26:00] bad bacteria, whether it's gram positive, gram negative, but I don't know.

[00:26:05] I don't know if you can get that from made, if you can't get that from TaylorMade, let me know. And I'll, I'll, I'll put you onto a couple of sources I'm actually doing around right now because my gut has gotten kind of screwed up again and I haven't done LL three seven in a few years. But anyway. Okay.

[00:26:20] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:26:20] Okay.

[00:26:20] Carl Lanore: [00:26:20] So we have to take a break, but before we go into a break, we have a, a comment from a live viewer in Las Vegas. New brave new order film says cutting out fiber was the best thing for my digestion personally, and more and more, you know, it's amazing. Uh, red meat is bad. Fat is bad. You know, that was the old mantra in the seventies.

[00:26:43] And boy that really screwed us up. And now we realize that fat is not bad and red meat is definitely not bad. Uh, and now the new thing is, you know, more fiber and, you know, they're selling the, selling these pills with, uh, uh, you know, three servings of fruit and three servings of vegetables in a [00:27:00] capsule.

[00:27:00] And I predict that. For as many people who say this stuff is great. The people with autoimmune disorders are going to say, wow, this made my RA jus I mean, I got worse. My, my Hashimoto's got worse because I'm telling you, you eliminate fiber, you stop eating plants for a while. You go strict carnivore. And I promise you you'll see magic happen.

[00:27:24] And then you'll be a zealot. You'll be as Elliot. Like everybody else. Nobody believes that until they do it.

[00:27:28] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:27:28] Did he ever talk to you about Terry Walls?

[00:27:31] Carl Lanore: [00:27:31] Yeah. I've had her on the show twice. I had on the show when the walls protocol first came out and then, yeah, it doesn't matter if that's okay. Look to each his own and different things work for different people, but, and then she was on again.

[00:27:46] Yeah. For a, um, we did, uh, we did a, uh, autoimmune round table with the four really smart people and they all had different opinions on it. On how to handle this. So we're going to take a quick commercial break. We'll be right back with more [00:28:00] stay tuned evolution just got kicked up a notch.

[00:28:07] Welcome back to supernova radio. We're talking with dr. Michael Feldman, Friedman, I'm sorry. Sorry, Friedman. Um, he's a naturopathic doctor who developed ms. And found ways to manage it, which is really important because it can derail your life. So. Uh, I'm going to put the book up again, for those of you just tuning in, uh, the book is called, there's no pill for that.

[00:28:33] For this. I'm getting everything wrong today. Maybe I have something wrong, a naturopathic physicians, personal prescription for managing multiple sclerosis. Um, so let's, let's talk about, uh, the sun. The sun stimulates melanocortin, stimulating hormone. We can take a synthetic form of that, which is the middle mulatto tend to, uh, we can do that.

[00:28:54] Intra-nasal I use it actually intranasally because it's, it's a nootropic for me. [00:29:00] Um, do you think the sun plays a role in helping people manage money? Okay.

[00:29:08] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:29:08] I feel like it does. I mean, I've asked my neurologist that they don't think there's much of a relationship between that. Um, so I mean, the interesting thing is that people who develop multiple sclerosis, it's usually in cooler and places with less latitudes.

[00:29:23] So I mean, people in the quarter, there's virtually no AMS and people in India there's virtually no. Ms. So developing is clearly, there's a clear relationship between developing it and how much sun someone has. Um, And a relationship between vitamin D three levels and exp and the relationship between getting ms.

[00:29:40] Once you have it, the studies aren't as clear, but I would say I always feel better when I see the sun. So I, I th I think, um, you know, I I've, I've thought about moving out of Vermont is because there's not as much sun out. Right, right. Um, but I, I definitely feel like the sun is quite helpful. I mean, for some people with ms.

[00:29:59] If they have a really [00:30:00] hard time with the heat. So, um, it's hard to live where the, where weather, where it's warm, but, uh, I, I enjoy the sun and I feel like the sun makes me feel better.

[00:30:10] Carl Lanore: [00:30:10] So a melanocortin stimulating hormone in it's concentrated synthetic form, uh, mulatto tend to, uh, has been shown to suppress systemic inflammation dramatically.

[00:30:23] There are for a lot of court and stimulating. Hormone receptors on every cell and each of them, every one, all of them when they are stimulated, shut off inflammation on a cellular level. And since all autoimmune disorders, um, Are driven if you will, for lack of better reasons by the army of the immune system, which is inflammation, anything that could help you, um, balance the inflammatory response to a more healthy response has to be a good tool.

[00:30:58] And that's why I was asking [00:31:00] about that because I, like I said, I use intra-nasal mulatto tend to, as a nootropic, I take it in the morning. I'm very dark. So I get darker. Uh, I haven't, I actually just started using it again because I haven't been able to lay on the sun. I laid out in the sun every day in the summer, but, um, I, I think there's something to that that might be another peptide that you can look into and, and thought experimenting.

[00:31:23] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:31:23] No, I know. Um, I think, uh, Kent halter, do you know him? What's that can't hold her

[00:31:30] Carl Lanore: [00:31:30] and he's an

[00:31:31] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:31:31] MD and he does a lot about peptides. Um, But, uh, yeah, he talks about the bill and his height thing. It seems like it makes some people's skin look a little odd. All right.

[00:31:40] Carl Lanore: [00:31:40] Well, um, if you have a lot of, if you have a lot of melanin in your skin

[00:31:46] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:31:46] yeah,

[00:31:46] Carl Lanore: [00:31:46] because it's a thousand times stronger than indogenous stimulators.

[00:31:51] Excuse me. A second.

[00:31:57] It will make freckles get [00:32:00] dark. Um, yeah. And if you use too much of it, you'll actually start looking purple.

[00:32:05] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:32:05] Yeah. That's I, I just, I saw one doctor and I was like, you look a little purple,

[00:32:10] Carl Lanore: [00:32:10] but if you don't use too much of it, uh, it just looks like you're tan. That's all.

[00:32:16] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:32:16] Yeah.

[00:32:18] Carl Lanore: [00:32:18] I'm getting choked up on

[00:32:25] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:32:25] any that you think Trump takes it

[00:32:26] Carl Lanore: [00:32:26] what's that.

[00:32:28] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:32:28] Does that for Donald Trump takes because he always looks to England?

[00:32:31] Carl Lanore: [00:32:31] No, I don't think, I think he uses spray tan, to be honest with you. Well, maybe as a tanning booth, I don't know. It would be very smart if he did. So. Um, what about caffeine? Do you use coffee?

[00:32:44] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:32:44] I do. I feel like, I think it helps. I feel like it's a nootropic. It helps clear the mind and I help it. It helps with exercise. Um, I think it's very helpful and I, I don't, I think it's for not to take too much of it, but, um, I like taking espresso and I'm going [00:33:00] on my exercise machine in the morning. And with no breakfast,

[00:33:04] Carl Lanore: [00:33:04] what have you learned that coffee was not good for you?

[00:33:06] What would you do

[00:33:10] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:33:10] feminine? It wasn't good for me. Yeah. What would I do? Well, I mean, I'll, I, I, I never, I never really started taking it until a couple of years ago,

[00:33:19] Carl Lanore: [00:33:19] so yeah. So you already developed these problems way before that?

[00:33:23] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:33:23] Yeah. Yeah. Well, what's your opinion on coffee? Um,

[00:33:27] Carl Lanore: [00:33:27] I'm playing around with it right now. I've stopped.

[00:33:30] I've stopped all caffeine.

[00:33:32] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:33:32] Yeah,

[00:33:33] Carl Lanore: [00:33:33] I have. I mean, it, it screws with autonomic response. Um, it screws with your sleep. I mean, I track my sleep three different ways and once I stopped using caffeine, I spent a lot longer time in deep sleep every night.

[00:33:48] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:33:48] It was a lot less

[00:33:48] Carl Lanore: [00:33:48] restless. I also, I also take, I would tell you to try this.

[00:33:54] Take three grams, take three grams of glycine before bed. [00:34:00] So glycine glycine will, will increase brain Gabba better than taking Gabba. And when you take Gabba, it CA some people get stimulated by taking GABA, but no one ever gets stimulated by taking glycine. There's two reasons why glycine helps sleep. I have more people on this show who tell me.

[00:34:21] That the glycine trick I talked about years ago, it changed their sleep glycine, not only increases brain Gabba, but it's the most Glucogenix amino acid. And so if you are having blood sugar swings in the middle of the night, which could precipitate sweat sweating, by the way, you know, the earliest signs of hypoglycemia, uh, our anxiety and sweating.

[00:34:45] And so you take three to five grams of GABAA right at bedtime.

[00:34:50] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:34:50] GABA

[00:34:51] Carl Lanore: [00:34:51] glycine. I'm sorry. If you take three to five grams of glycine, right at bedtime, you'll have the same sleepy effects of Gabba. You'll fall asleep, [00:35:00] but you'll stay asleep longer. Now you may not have stay asleep all night.

[00:35:05] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:35:05] Yeah. Led melatonin.

[00:35:07] Carl Lanore: [00:35:07] I do. I take melatonin also. I've been taking melatonin for 25 years, but if you take gout, if you take glycine and melatonin a bed, you, you may see longer periods of time before you work up. Wake up that first time. Really

[00:35:19] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:35:19] really good. It's good to ask Valarie. And also it's a good area for that.

[00:35:23] Carl Lanore: [00:35:23] I don't do good with benzos.

[00:35:25] And so I don't do good with valerian, uh, benzos make me, uh, groggy. They make me forgetful and they impact my ability to train at the gym. I am notably weaker after taking Ben. Cause I would take a quarter of a milligram of Adavan, which is. Most would say that's nothing but sleep and it would help me sleep.

[00:35:47] There's no doubt about it, but I would, the next morning I couldn't go to the gym and train because I felt like I was ready to go back to sleep. Yeah. So, but yeah, I, and valerian does the same thing to me, but yeah, this is [00:36:00] actually my pre bedtime. Um, that works for me constantly is, um,

[00:36:07] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:36:07] a whiskey,

[00:36:08] Carl Lanore: [00:36:08] no Fortnite, no alcohol ruins your sleep.

[00:36:10] Alcohol destroys your sleep. It may not because it, because it affects a dentistry and accumulation in the brain. And so you fall asleep, but then when it wears off, you don't have enough adenosine in your brain to keep you asleep. No, but my stack is 45. I use of oxytocin three milligrams of melatonin,

[00:36:33] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:36:33] or you take oxytocin

[00:36:34] Carl Lanore: [00:36:34] or I take oxytocin a couple of times a day, actually.

[00:36:38] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:36:38] Yeah,

[00:36:39] Carl Lanore: [00:36:39] I'll send you a link to a show. I just did on Friday, oxytocin the magic, but for a lot of reasons, but anyway, um,

[00:36:45] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:36:45] three military, dr. Fletcher's talks a lot about that. What's that? That the fletches do you know him?

[00:36:50] Carl Lanore: [00:36:50] No. No,

[00:36:51] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:36:51] he's a, he's a big oxytocin user.

[00:36:53] Carl Lanore: [00:36:53] Well, oxytocin builds muscle. I take it, I take it at night to sleep better.

[00:36:57] I get more deep sleep with oxytocin then [00:37:00] than without it. Three milligrams of melatonin, three grams of Gabba and, uh, about 150 milligrams of magnesium. And I sleep perfectly every night. If I, if I remove the oxytocin, I don't get as much deep sleep. Yeah.

[00:37:16] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:37:16] Amazing.

[00:37:17] Carl Lanore: [00:37:17] Yeah. But, um, Yeah, oxytocin works, but caffeine eliminating caffeine from my diet changed, sleep architecture dramatically.

[00:37:24] In fact, if I have a cup of coffee, Oh. You know, once in a while I'll have a cup. I like a double espresso with a splash of cream. Yeah. That night I see my sleep change. It looks like the Alps, all these little peaks where I'm waking up and waking up and waking up.

[00:37:39] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:37:39] How do you measure it? Do you use it? Do you use an app?

[00:37:43] Carl Lanore: [00:37:43] Do an app. Yeah. I use three things actually. So I use an aura ring. I use an app called sleep cycle because it records the sounds you make while you're sleeping Creek and see if you're snoring, if you're restlessness and all that sort of stuff. And then twice a month, I [00:38:00] use a ring called the sleep on ring, which is literally a sleep study.

[00:38:05] And on your finger, it does pulse-ox it does. Um, Um, heart rate variability, um, listen, this level, it measures all the four levels of deep sleep and measures all the different levels of sleep. Yeah, it's fascinating. It's a great ring. We did a show about it a couple of years ago and a bunch of people in the audience grabbed it and some of them emailed me right away.

[00:38:27] And they said that they fixed their sleep because they would make adjustments and they would look at the ring data and they go, I got better sleep last night. I'm going to do that again. So I used three different things.

[00:38:38] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:38:38] Yeah, good sleep is important.

[00:38:40] Carl Lanore: [00:38:40] It's so it's the most important, you know, two nights of bad sleep and your body doesn't manage blood sugar, like it's supposed to anymore.

[00:38:48] I mean, we we've seen the studies on that and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's legit. It's real. But yeah, I, I eliminated caffeine and I'm happier that I eliminated caffeine. I feel better. My gut is my gut was distended. It's actually going [00:39:00] down now, since now. It's a slow process. If you've been drinking coffee. Or using caffeine for years, you can't expect to just stop and magically in two weeks, feel all better again.

[00:39:11] Yeah. It takes months to start to really see the changes physically and mentally, but it's so worth it. I, you know, when you look at the masses of the population, They all have the same problems. They have gut problems, they have sleep problems. Uh, most of them have some form of autoimmunity, but it's, they take a pill to mask the symptoms.

[00:39:38] Um, but when you look at them, they all drink coffee and big coffees. You know, 20 ounce smoke a lot though, you know, with three shots of espresso and all the sugar and the crap. And then they wonder why their guts are all messed up. And they all drink them on empty stomachs. You just said that because the caffeine hits you faster.

[00:39:58] So they get right out of [00:40:00] bed, they get dressed. They have no time for a breakfast, or, you know, if you're time restricted fasting, that's fine. You're going to, you know, you're going to eat later, but that's, they survive on, they throw that stuff down and it gets into the, it destroys the mucosal lining of the sun.

[00:40:13] You know, I can send you seven studies, show that caffeine and even more. So coffee. Raise CRP dramatically C reactive protein. In fact, caffeine raises CRP, and the reason coffee raises it even more is not only does it stimulate the, uh, the inflammatory response. To create CRP, but it reduces the receptors in the, in the liver to get the CRP out.

[00:40:46] So you have a double whammy when it's coffee over just plain old caffeine. And if you, and if, you know, I'm really like, uh, I try to, I'm trying not to. Do things that purposefully raise inflammation in my body. [00:41:00] You know, I take a lot of fish oil. I eat a lot of fish. I stay away from things that I know cause inflammation like, um, like flowers, you know, I don't care.

[00:41:08] I mean, almond flour is not bad, but any grain flour, any starchy flour stay away from it because I did a show seven years ago that shows that a cellular carbohydrates, a digested, they feed the bad bacteria in the gut. And that just produces inflammation. So I try to do things that keep me away from inflammation and coffee is, is, is really paying off.

[00:41:29] Now. It's about, it's probably been about three months now. Three months from now. No coffee, no caffeine.

[00:41:37] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:41:37] Yeah. One second. Let me turn this off. Sorry.

[00:41:44] Carl Lanore: [00:41:44] So w w we actually gonna take a break when we come back from the break, I want to talk to you about sex hormones. So I want to talk about, because I have a feeling that you look at hormones as they are, and their role in the susceptibility, um, to develop ms. Right. We can talk about that. On the [00:42:00] other side of the break, stay tuned.

[00:42:00] We'll be right back with more finally meet.

[00:42:08] welcome back. We're talking with dr. Michael Friedman about his new book, actually, and some of the stuff that's in the new book, for those of you who have ms, or know someone who has ms. This book can help you manage it. So at least you can live your life. The book is called. There's no pill for this and naturopathic physicians, personal prescription for managing multiple sclerosis.

[00:42:31] If you go to SHR network.biz/ms. You'll be taken right to the book. So what about sex steroids? Uh, most notably estrogen, uh, because it does have an anti-inflammatory effect, but then again, testosterone for men, you know?

[00:42:47] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:42:47] Yeah. Lot. I mean, there's a lot of steroids which are having impact on IMS. There's cortisol.

[00:42:52] There's. Progesterone there's estriol there's testosterone. Um, and you know, even in [00:43:00] regular medicine there'll be using, uh, steroids. Like, so if someone has an attack, we'll give you an they'll give you a V steroids in the form of synthetic steroids. Like .

[00:43:10] Carl Lanore: [00:43:10] Yeah, but those, according to corticosteroids, those are not anabolic in nature.

[00:43:15] Um, those are actually catabolic in nature, right? So I think that the anabolic type steroids, which includes estrogen, estrogen is very anabolic. People don't realize that. Um,

[00:43:26] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:43:26] but they do help. I'm saying that they do, they give you immediate relief. You go to the hospital, you know, you can't walk, you can walk.

[00:43:32] So it hasn't been impacted steroids. Um, but there's also, um, the one thing which I think is interesting that in studies that people who have low levels of cortisol. Um, it makes you more prone to getting ms in itself. So making sure someone has lower levels of cortisol. I know a lot of people do have low levels of cortisol, you know, from being chronically stressed or whatever.

[00:43:54] So I think I recommend giving like hydrocortisone, um, like, like [00:44:00] by identical hydrocortisone, like can, you can get it. Brand name Cortef or whatever, but small amount, 10 milligrams in the morning, five milligrams in the morning for people who are low in it. I do a saliva testing to see if they're low in it.

[00:44:12] Um, testosterone testosterone is in shrink because it's shown that it helps with the cognitive effects of ms and men. And also not only is shown to help with the cognitive effects of the men, but giving supplemental testosterone in men has also shown that it decreases the rate of progression of ms. So testosterone has a promising role.

[00:44:33] It's either decreasing the progression of ms as well. Um, estriol is, is, uh, there's a current study right now, um, with national Institute of health and astrol and in ms, because it's shown to help, um, to decrease the progression and also help with cognitive symptoms along with ms. And it also has shown to increase remyelination

[00:44:58] Carl Lanore: [00:44:58] Wow. That's amazing.

[00:45:00] [00:44:59] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:44:59] STL has shown that. So there's a study right now for estriol, um, and re myelination ms. Currently going on right now, the results will be available, I think, in April, 2021. So that'll be interesting to see what that study shows. Um, and then, um, progesterone has also been, uh, has also helped for re myelination.

[00:45:19] So, you know, there is a hormonal impact, um, and these are helpful and it's interesting that, you know, women it's. It's five times more, um, pronounced and women MMS is five times more likely women than men for ms. But it's more serious event to have ms. Um, and women who do so women are more five times more prone to getting ms.

[00:45:43] Um, but the interesting thing is that women also go usually in remission when they go pregnant. So, um, so that, that's why the doctors are also trying to give people, um, some estrogen progesterone, um, [00:46:00] and just to help with it. Um, I was recommended for me to take estradiol and progesterone, but I just didn't want hoops.

[00:46:09] Carl Lanore: [00:46:09] No progesterone. I mean, I I've played with, uh, 25 milligrams of progesterone a bed. It definitely makes you sleep better. Um, it can, some medic can make them feel melancholy and moody. Um, but we have men have progesterone. We have pregnant alone. We have the HEA, you know, when people say. You know, Oh, well, male hormones and female hormones.

[00:46:36] That's the stupidest thing you can say because men and women all have the same hormones. It's just different levels. Women have testosterone. They may not have 1100 nanograms or 600 nanograms, but they could have as high as 200 nanograms, some women who said to be more athletic, um, pregnant alone, I would have thought was it would have been a big push for you because that alone is so highly concentrated in the [00:47:00] brain.

[00:47:00] What do you think?

[00:47:01] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:47:01] Yeah, no, I agree with that. I mean, there's so many hormones. There's, neurosur neuro hormones and Panella and I take pregnenolone every day. Well,

[00:47:10] Carl Lanore: [00:47:10] do you know, do you take it at night or in the morning?

[00:47:15] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:47:15] I take it, I take it in the morning, but I haven't really, I just take it in the morning, but it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

[00:47:20] Carl Lanore: [00:47:20] Yeah, no, no, no. Yeah. I, I I've, I've often wondered if pregnant alone can actually stimulate you if you take it at night.

[00:47:28] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:47:28] Yeah, I take it. I take it in the morning, along with THCA

[00:47:31] Carl Lanore: [00:47:31] and you take it with a fatty meal.

[00:47:34] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:47:34] I take it for a, just take it for breakfast. I don't want to take I'm. Alison, the absorption is probably a little higher or,

[00:47:41] Carl Lanore: [00:47:41] uh, if you take it with fat, it's much higher.

[00:47:43] The absorption. You do blood tests before taking on an empty stomach or with a cup of coffee. Well, now if you have some cream in your coffee, that'll help. It stimulates that whole lymphatic absorption, but, uh, you take it with them without it's noticeable. Same thing [00:48:00] with vitamin D vitamin a you take, I know people, Oh, I take 10,000, uh, you know, I use it a day and my vitamin D levels are low.

[00:48:09] And then I just say, well, do you take it with a fatty meal? No, I just take it on an empty stomach and they take it on a fatty meal and all of a sudden they're in the 80 nanogram, you know, it's like, Oh, wow. Went up so fast. Yeah. If you don't stimulate the ability to absorb fat. Then the fat soluble

[00:48:24] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:48:24] vitamins.

[00:48:24] That, that makes sense, Carl.

[00:48:26] Carl Lanore: [00:48:26] Yeah. So, uh, what, what do you tell people who have ms today that feel hopeless?

[00:48:34] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:48:34] Well, I acknowledge it's a very hard illness and it is, first of all, you know, I, it is hard. So, um, but I think there are a lot of things you can do. Um, Which can help, which regular medicine doesn't talk about.

[00:48:48] And I think it's important to try those things. Um, and you know, for me, I got to say exercising with oxygen's been a big help. Herb's have been a big help diet peptides, put all those things [00:49:00] together. You're going to feel a lot better. So, I mean, you know, I, one of my ms neurologist did ask me once, um, after looking at my MRI for five years, he said, are you, can you tell me what you're doing?

[00:49:12] Cause. Drugs. Can't explain what I see in the MRI and how well you're doing, you know, you haven't progressed much. So I think, um, I think it is as a very valuable thing. And the reason I wrote there's no pill for this was. Because there's that one pilly is taken, it's gone, you know, you have to manage it and you got to take a cocktail stuff.

[00:49:34] You know, you gotta have a regimen, you gotta manage it. There's not just one pill for it. And there's no, and there are drugs for it, but there's no drug, which cures it. You know, it's not like you have diabetes, you take insulin. There is nothing like that.

[00:49:45] Carl Lanore: [00:49:45] Right. And insulin doesn't cure diabetes. They could cure diabetes, but insulin doesn't cure diabetes.

[00:49:50] No does Glucophage. Or

[00:49:52] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:49:52] no, but I mean, for type one, it is like a treatment and you can have a fairly nice type.

[00:49:56] Carl Lanore: [00:49:56] One is different type one is different. You're you're not even producing insulin. It'll [00:50:00] save your life. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:50:01] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:50:01] That's what I was talking about to type one. That's a better example.

[00:50:04] Carl Lanore: [00:50:04] Bad example.

[00:50:05] Yeah, no, no. Yeah, no, because nowadays, when you say diabetes, you have to specify a type one type two or type three, which is diabetes is localized in the brain sugar, insulin resistance in the brain. Yeah. So, um, I think that the medical orthodoxy. And the premise of big pharma that there's a pill for.

[00:50:24] Something is insulting to the complexity of the human body. And sadly, most people not advocates for their own health. They're not reading things, you know, or if they are getting information it's from the wrong sources. And so they think that there's actually a pill that will cure something. And the only thing that will cure something is a to discover and remove the insult first.

[00:50:50] You can't bail the boat until you plug the hole. Yeah. And then once you've discovered what the insult is for you, and a lot of times it's diet people can't [00:51:00] believe it. Your doctor will tell ya the food has no role in this disease. It's they, they, they, I don't know whether to hate them for that or feel sorry for the ignorance.

[00:51:10] Um, once you remove the insult, then what you need to do is do things. That stimulate regrowth and a big, a big fascination of mine. And one of the reasons I like oxytocin is I like things that have an ability to switch on neonatal genes, because those are the genes that built the Oregon. They have the blueprint for that Oregon.

[00:51:36] And you want to turn those on when you're trying to fix that Oregon, assuming the insult has been removed. If the insult is still there and you're doing this. The net is going to be zero. Maybe you won't progress, but you're not going to get better. But when you remove the insult and you start using therapies, like you're talking about peptides, which are basically silent messages, telling them to fix stuff [00:52:00] and you start switching back on neonatal gene sets.

[00:52:03] Now you can actually reverse disease States. We've seen it in people. And then science always goes, well, it's anecdotal and equals one. They ignored instead, they should be saying. Let's see what that person did instead. They see this, uh, count it O N equals one. That's really that that's, you know, one person, he, he got lucky.

[00:52:25] No, it's very sad. It really is because there's hope for every disease. The truth is if you can identify the insult and remove it first, there's hope for every disease that's, I've been through it. I, that I was supposed to have a pacemaker at 39. And instead I ended up becoming a powerlifter. So, um, we're going to give the, a plug to the book.

[00:52:48] One more time. If you are interested, you can go to SHR network.biz/ms. The book is there's no pill for this and naturopathic physicians, personal prescription for managing [00:53:00] multiple sclerosis. And the more you read, if you buy this book and you get one tip out of it, it was worth it. One, you don't the book doesn't have to change your life, but just one thing you learned in the book needs to be a quiver in an arrow in your quiver.

[00:53:15] That's it talk about before we go to the next break? Cause I'm going to let you go. Restorative medicine.org. What is it? What do they do? This is your foundation.

[00:53:25] Dr. Michael Friedman, ND: [00:53:25] Um, it's, it's a medical association. We have 500 physicians. It's an organization I started, um, the 10 years ago. And, and we have, um, it's a leader of cost disciplinary collaboration between medical doctors and naturopathic doctors.

[00:53:39] And we put on different conferences about three conferences a year, and it's it's for any medical professional who wants to learn more about. peptides hormones, but identical hormones, nutrition, herbal medicine, et cetera. So it's going quite well.

[00:53:54] Carl Lanore: [00:53:54] Good. So check it out. If you're a physician. I know we have a lot of clinicians that watch the show, restorative [00:54:00] medicine.org, and, uh, that's good, good stuff.

[00:54:05] Okay. Dr. Friedman, thank you so much for being here today. Take care. I try some of those things and let me know, see if you cut five route, would you notice? Okay. All right. Take care. Okay. That's it for today. Um, I don't have any more commercials to run, so that's a wonderful thing. And I can just say goodbye now I'm off the air tomorrow for election day.

[00:54:28] Um, just taking off, Rob wants to take off for election day. Let me get that thing out from the front of my face. And so we're going to take off tomorrow. We'll be back Wednesday. Uh, we have, uh, an episode this week. I believe. Of, uh, of fathers and sons and Aaron Singerman is going to be on. So that's going to be fascinating because he has very, very strong opinions about being a parent.

[00:54:50] And I think some of them are really spot on. So that's it for today. Thanks for being here. We'll see everybody Wednesday. Don't forget if you haven't voted yet, [00:55:00] get up and vote. Don't whine and complain. Get up and vote. Don't say to yourself, all my one vote doesn't count. It absolutely counts because too many people think that.

[00:55:12] So get out early tomorrow morning and vote. It's your civic duty. It's your superhuman duty. I will see you Wednesday.