[00:00:00] Welcome back to another episode of super human radio you're here because you're smart. I know that I have the smartest listeners in the world. Is it one of you that couldn't do this job, but I'm lucky enough to be the one so today's show is going to be very interesting first. We're going to be joined by Ken O'Neal to talk about aging and the training Continuum whether you are getting [00:01:00] older.

Well, you're all getting older. What am I saying? We're all getting older but whether or not you're at that age where. Your actual chronological age is starting to cause challenges for you in the gym or not. You will be someday and this is going to be an important discussion then later in the show going to be joined by Ashley Grace.

To talk about a new study that shows that substances in  hemp may actually boost the likelihood of survival during pancreatic cancer and its treatment. , so more good stuff about that shortly, of course. I have to thank our title sponsor for being our title sponsor and that's All American Pharmaceuticals in the FX Sports.

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I'm doing well Carl actually very good and thank you for jumping in today because um. I had a guest fall out and I can always depend on you to help me out the pinch and I want to thank you for that. But today's discussion working with you Carl. Yeah, I know we get along very well don't we  to Old farkakteh No, actually that's what we're gonna be talking about aging right?

[00:03:00] I mean, I never thought I guess I never put much thought into the fact that I would be 60 someday. And now I'm thinking wow, I'm gonna be 70 someday. Um, you've been a lifelong physical culture and actually you've Blended both physical culture and spirituality,  into something that you called Bodie building, , which is a very far ahead of its time.

Um, but let me I'm at on that Carl. Yeah, please when I was a kid, that was I'm 74. Now when I was a kid, , 60 years ago. I touched the barbell and it changed my life. And I was a science geek in high school and um in those days we didn't have videos. We didn't have YouTube we didn't have much anything we had monthly magazines and bimonthly magazine were black and white photos.

They weren't big magazines because um weights were just a real marginal [00:04:00] phenomena then , there were maybe two or three. Equipment manufacturers in the United States. So we see a picture of somebody at the beginning of the list and at the end of the list but nothing in between the show you how they did it and personal training didn't occur.

Then didn't exist. Well word was out but the San Jose YMCA was the place to go Saturday morning. Everybody was there the Olympic lifters the bodybuilder? And this was around 1960. So there was no power lifting that was odd lifting odd lips and the odd lips were like to bench, press where you pressed it with one arm and those types of lips.

Right? Well, they could be but generally in competition they would have up to five different things. The bench press dead lifts squat,  pressed behind the net generally seated from a dead stop [00:05:00] and curl.  could be some other things but , you know those really and then they were martial artists martial arts was new and this was in California.

 karate was just coming in Judo was just coming in all his stuff was new but what was not new was physical culture California had very much been the cap one of the capitals of physical culture particularly, Southern, California with Muscle Beach. From the late 1930s. Well, I joined up the Y at 16 and I would get up Saturday mornings before the crack of dawn fixed breakfast hike down to the bus station take a bus in so I could be there at 9:00 because that's when it opened and for at least two hours.

I was in a learning environment. I took the calling it physical culture University. , I got coaching and helping from all kinds of people including [00:06:00] eventually an introduction to the mind,  recommendation to go to the local Buddhist temple in San Jose to learn more which makes sense because. Um, many of our national and International Champion athletes like Comic-Con.

Oh and remember, I'd job in James Bond, of course. Yeah, that was Harold Sakata, 1948 silver medalist in the hundred Forty-Eight class in Olympic was um pro-wrestler a bunch of them were all Japanese-American Buddhists who did not do then they did something totally different.  something that does it mean make it make you sick forever.

Um, it's based on moving and the local Buddhist. Temples Judo coach became the first US Olympic Judo coach and it was Saturday state. So I was plugged into physical culture and [00:07:00] Japanese American Buddhist culture, which is not the same as Ringo converts. We will convert your like Jehovah's Witnesses too often in this world.

That was fun. Well, I reached the point where I wanted to learn. What is the Mind muscle connection? We keep hearing about the mind-body connection. Everybody talks about it. Nobody knows anything about it and I was in college. I went into a philosophy and Psychology major dual major to learn this when I Learned was bring it up around a professor and you get laughed at or denigrate.

Well, I found at those Japanese knew something about it and they liked me so they sent me to a Buddhist graduate school, but it's University as a full scholarship student and invested in me going to Japan and becoming equivalent to a Zen master in a different kind of Buddhism, but I want to clear there is we're not [00:08:00] talking about religion, and we're certainly not talking about.

What they do out there is they basically try to doubt everything to become a walking question mark and to experiment with movement and until you know something until you know it your body so it's a very different approach what it's led me to do with this point with bodybuilding wisdom building is to no longer separate that physical culture and that'll culture.

, I'm an evolutionist and I have to look at life culture. I think we're life culturist. And I think the people that are polluting the planet right now our anti-life cultures whole different culture. So this isn't getting rid of physical culture is upping the ante to the world. We live in in which community of Mahdi and Mind and Spirit.

Expresses itself in taking care of ourselves and taking [00:09:00] care of planetary resources and healthy relationships. Okay. So let's talk about this for a second. I want to pull a thread here for a second what happens to a human being when they become so emotionally activated that they do things knowing it's not in their best interest.

But they get caught up in this win or lose mentality. My team has to win because that's what we're talkin about today in health. Right? We have I was just  messaging with my good friend Kelly Carls who is become a fan of physical culture in his 60s after retiring as the general manager for the local clearchannel market.

He ran the whole market and he has fallen in love with training. Literally I use those words specifically he loves what it's done to him. Physically. He [00:10:00] loves what it's done to him mentally and there are those of us who like that and then there's the other people who will do anything to avoid exercise.

They will read articles and agree with them that Pander to the notion that exercise holds no value. They know that they do harmful things to their body. They know somewhere in the recesses of their mind, but they won't say it out loud that they're actually shortening their own lives and harming themselves, but yet they become part of a group and the group in totality.

Creates this agenda. And then the agenda is we win or lose if we give up or we are we succumb to the other side so to speak and it's almost like. We're all on this ship. But because we [00:11:00] disagree with the other group. We're going to sink the ship to drown them, but we actually drown too, but we don't care about that because we're so driven by emotion.

What's what is it in the population that you made that same point on Facebook about political, correct? Yes, exactly politics in general. Look at politics in general. We are tugging a rope. And in the end no matter who pulls the hardest the whole ship sinks. Well my response to that was I don't care if it's left right liberals.

They're all politically correct in their own unique Manner and they all stink. , right. I've been independent free thinker. I like the people that brought us the Latin venison. They and that's where I think our problem goes is back in our culture. Of other cultures too, but it's particularly true of our culture.

Our culture is [00:12:00] based on the notion that you've got to join the right side. That's monotheism. If you're on the wrong side, you're going to go to hell forever or be wrong forever or guilty forever or something you want to avoid? So we have a culture from our religious background that says that you've got to be right.

And people did their heels in to be right. It's an emotional fixation. They have not grown Beyond it now in our culture question culture from the third or fourth Century the greatest heresy formulated for social control by religion was called the Gnostic heresy. That's GN Gnostic like a prognosis diagnosis.

The GN in middle in Middle English “gno” becomes KN, KNOW. It's the knowing work. Um, so the major heresy in the West Was formulated as [00:13:00] well. If you if you reject the idea of the church and its priests being the middleman between you and spiritual experience your damn. And what that did was take away Liberty take away freedom of spirituality people to cultivate their own integrity and their own maturity that you were going to all-time be reliant with dependent upon the priest.

How does that work? I was in Arizona Bishop Marino in Tucson, Arizona Bishop. Will Brian the Phoenix area. Both had deals set up. , the Sheriff's Office usually would Catholics in it would came out and make a courtesy call and tell them that within an hour there was going to be arresting father so-and-so a pedophile and generally an hour later father so-and-so was in Mexico.

Yeah, he was gone, right? [00:14:00] Yeah. So my half joke is the father of Bishop Marino is now been canonized as what patron saint to pedophiles. That's funny. , but my point here is not anti-catholic. My point here is when we give away Authority we give away our freedom and we're going to be stuck in  obedience to Authority.

We're going to be sucking what laws called detrimental Reliance. So what you're saying is that the social construct is to  reward groupthink. And discourage individual thinking absolutely we have in the United States today as we both know the most corrupt medical system in the world twenty percent of our domestic national product is for the illness care industry that causes a self Health Care.

, I recently was , this is an aging thing. [00:15:00] I was recently with a new physician and the physician person told me that of my age. We have to have a PSA test, , the testosterone causes,  PSAs to go up and causes prostate cancer. If your prostate the PSA is above for , you can't have success and you have to go have um, a urologist probably do biopsies and I thought and then also that you should be taking soft from and oh, I started doing research pimento is no longer valuable as asks, like a general-purpose chemotherapy killing all healthy and unhealthy prostate cells the same time.

So why would you do it as far as testosterone? I don't know if you've had this guy on do you had , Abraham Morgan Taylor? No. No, but I know I know of him and I know of his work. Yes. I know. I love his. My what I found is first of all, if [00:16:00] your PSA is above for the you should go have another PSA done that distinguishes between total and free PSA.

If you have a healthy prostate, you're producing a chemical that keeps the , essentially the spermatozoa free so that when , you have sex you can impregnate. If the  Siemens all bound up and globulin hormone, it's not going to go anywhere. It's going to be ineffective. So what they're saying is that that a PSA of 25% and later three,  is fine if you're a PSA is 10% or less.

That's a good indication of prostate cancer because when there's prostate cancer going on a different substances produces viscous and tightly buying the , psa's so [00:17:00] that changes the picture. Yeah, but the medical officer docks, he doesn't want to hear any of that because they want to they want to treat people and keep in mind and we got to take a break and when we come back we're gonna get back on track with talkin about physical culture specifically, but.

Keep in mind that fewer than 1% of all men diagnosed with prostate cancer die. From prostate cancer about that for a second prostate. There are men who are living with a form of prostate cancer for 30 years and they're just watching it and it's not advancing and it's fine and they're living with it.

And so think about that think about they put men on Androgen deprivation therapy which brings on a host of other disorders diabetes. This will fat infiltration that Larson that Morgan dollars work has shown that even men with prostate cancer in most cases. There is no debilitating effects into Oscar own therapy.

Right and what we and the American Cancer [00:18:00] Society wrote a position paper,  in 2008. I had the good doctor on the show. And what they did was they did a very thorough metal meta-analysis of all the available research and they were over 1,100 studies in what they did his name was. Dr.

Paul Godly took me a second to remember and the American Cancer society's position was androgens did not cause. Prostate cancer and that men should not be discouraged from testosterone. That was 2008 and no one talks about that that that's the American Cancer society's position on prostate cancer and testosterone replacement therapy.

But meanwhile, they were gonna happen never got out there. Who's the doctor? Dr. Paul Godly? Godly Paul Godly look we have to take a break when we come back. We're gonna talk specifically about training and aging because that's the real issue here. You must keep [00:19:00] training and I don't care if you can't lift what you used to lift.

Get your ego out of it. Stay tuned.

Welcome back to super human radio at talkin say with Ken O'Neal we're talkin about the  training Continuum as you age, , I have a favorite saying whatever I hear people say this people say but I used to but I used to be able to go out and drink all night and go to the gym, but I used to be able to deadlift 600 pounds and to them I say but you used to poop in diapers.

I don't see you rushing back to learn how to do that. We have to change. Along with change, but the one thing we shouldn't ever do is stop training speak on that always comes to my mind is you remember in the late 70s Orson Welles did commercial score.  Swiss Colony wine. [00:20:00] Yes, I do. Yeah. Yeah, the closing line was always no wine before its time.

Right, which to me calls to mind the whole notion of maturing. We live in a now youth culture that is very illusionary. , we do mature. One of my favorite authors is a professor emeritus at the University of North Carolina Medical School guy named Norton Hadler and the book that I'm going to mention that I recommend people take a look at is called rethinking aging growing old and living well in an over treated Society.

So what you're talkin about when I used to be able to I'm unfortunately feeds  a form of medicine that doesn't know anything about age. We treat aging like we treat pregnancy is to disease. It's not a disease. Um, it's the way we [00:21:00] grow and in my own experience. I've trained Now 60 years. I clean very differently now in some ways.

 since so much of my training is a mental focus a mind-body focus. There's a lot in common, except I'm having a learn my body. I'm having to relearn thanks to a pharmaceutical by the name of Cipro. Yeah, right. I remember that. Yeah, you ended up taking Cipro. That was a big mistake, wasn't it? I was a big mistake of my paleo physician even prescribing it because the FDA had notified him not to do that.

Um, I had two rounds of its second year of two friends warned me halfway through but the long-term effect has been  tendinitis of my left shoulder, , including the long head of the [00:22:00] bicep. It's nasty stuff. Um, I read a piece the other day about a um Champion New Zealand Surfer who had been on Cipro for something for nearly two years.

He got to a point with his neck and shoulder that the pain was just so intense and all the time that he committed suicide. Um, In my case on Facebook, there's a group for people that have been a toxic effects of  frequencies and I think like, um with that and drugs it's something the pharmaceutical and medical Industries are in denial about but  independent researchers are constructing databases finding the effects of very prevalent.

So what do you do when you have restriction you learn to train differently? You're still training, right? Okay. I [00:23:00] had to buy a trap bar to do deathless because of the shoulder problem. , but you know, but you know, but you know what the interesting thing is. Okay. So I remember just when I mean just ten years ago five years ago five years ago.

I mean, I was still squatting very respectable weights five years ago. I was still deadlifting very respectful weights, and this was after. A hamstring and so what I've learned is I'm actually getting bigger now, but I've kind of backed off of the gas pedal. I think that I finally have started to believe the research that shows that stopping, , like two reps before failure is just as effective as going to failure, but there's one profound difference.

Then that is that is central nervous system degradation. When you push to failure, they [00:24:00] central nervous system become so depleted that it takes days just for the central nervous system to recharge those muscles. You can hit a second time that we could even a third time. So now that I've backed off of the gas pedal, I'm actually hitting body parts two and three times a week, but.

And I'm growing and I'm getting stronger. So those aren't there yet, but you're not know I am I'm actually now handling more weight, but I'm just stopping a rep now once in a while. I'll take it to failure once in a while. But you know for years I treated my body quite frankly the way I treat my cars.

You never want to buy a car that I've driven for a few years. You just don't. Because I literally am at 80 miles an hour everywhere I go I did it to my Fiero. I'm doing it to my BMW. I just like to drive fast. I wear breaks out quickly. I wear tires out quickly. You can always tell one of my cars because the front tires are loaded with black [00:25:00] dust from the asbestos in the brake pads just blasting off of the brake pads.

And but now I figured out you don't want to buy one of my cars after I've driven it for a while. I don't want to treat my body that way anymore. Exactly, , I've experimented over the years and my way of working out I call orderly chaos training. I don't like to repeat the same workout twice in a row for movement for sex.

Um, I'm basically doing what I did when I was a kid experimenting. Oh, let's try something different. Now the justification for that is in a book. I read Years Ago by  Brad Schoenfeld. I believe his name. Yeah. He's one of the guys that I got that message from about stopping shy of failure. Yeah.

Well he about what is it now? Maybe eighty nine years ago [00:26:00] came out with a book from Human kinetics that basically I think distinguish between two types of training. Like the high intensity training versus  more volume and I as I recall, I haven't kept up with it. But as I recall overall the volume orientation is more beneficial to people over a long link time, and I certainly think with aging the other component I would add to it  for there, too.

Um, have you read during an autobiography? I have not I have not Dorian Yates was coached by Mike mentor and Mentor had him on his heavy duty which meant to himself rarely did um each year incurred more and more injuries What [00:27:00] stopped his career as Mr. Olympia was one of his triceps was , Attached to the Elbow with about one-third of the , connective tissue and required serious surgery and he didn't think he could ever come back from that kind of surgery.

Um, I think he's an extreme case but not everybody can handle those every poundage is taken to failure. Second thing is boredom. We got you know, we want to say it's all central nervous system. I agree. That's a component but I think the other component is boredom that is very boring training to me.

Um, I like the challenge of outdoing myself. Hey we're going to do such a 15 today's that's 25 sets of six. You see what I'm getting at. Yeah. Yeah, you got to keep changing. You got to keep changing it to keep it interesting and logically were [00:28:00] constructed to do all of those things. Right? So for that surfing the curve really shortchanging our physiology.

Yeah. No, I agree. And that's the same thing with cardio people who say oh don't do cardio. No, you are supposed to cardio you one of one of our evolutionary gifts is that we could walk for very long distances.  and not exercise with my until my next foot surgery in November.

I'm hobbled literally not figuratively. I'm hobbled. , but as soon as my foot is fixed, I will absolutely get back to doing an hour of cardio at least four days a week. And because I love it. I feel good when I do it and my lifting improves when I do it, I don't even call cardio. , we do um foster care of rescue dogs, Anything's to adoption adopting them out through convalescence to  Sanctuary care and we have a good number of dogs here and I walked off for several hours every day [00:29:00] and they're my coaches through my their the personal trainers.

They set the pace. What one of the really only advantages I see of owning a dog because I'm at that stage of life where I really don't want to have to own a dog and take care of it. Um, but one of the advantages of owning a dog is as you get up and move more and that's one of the things that the sick aging phenotype Falls prey to I want to take a break and when we come back, I want to talk a little bit about muscle maturity, , because there's another gift that you know, we always talk about getting older like it's a disadvantage but what people don't realize is that as you get older, Your muscles actually become more efficient, they become denser and they become harder and that's ultimately what people are looking for, , when they're training to change their physique stay tuned.

We'll be right back with more of Ken O'Neal

welcome back to super human radio. We're talkin today with Ken O'Neal with talking about the training Continuum as [00:30:00] we age.

Got to stay in the gym. You got to keep training. It doesn't matter. If you can't train the way you used to and quite frankly. Sometimes you're better off not training the way you used to especially if you didn't get the kind of results you were hoping for there's also another phenomenon that comes with age.

So most of us think that you know aging is a death sentence, but in actuality we come not only become smarter, but our muscles tend to become more efficient. , we see a greater density greater hardness than we did when we were younger, um muscle bellies may not be as full looking but they're clearly, , granier and harder and that's because muscle definitely becomes more efficient than more you train it.

In fact, I don't know if you know, um, I've been following ,  a gal on Facebook. , who is an ifbb Pro named Tammy Neslund. I hope I'm pronouncing her name, right [00:31:00] and she posted a picture the other day of one of her first competition 18 years ago, and now a picture of her now and you know, I said, wow, I mean the difference is amazing.

, you look so much better today than then and I get it. She was she wasn't training his long yet. But also there's something to be said about the actual anatomical changes of muscle as we age speak about that a little bit. Probably I don't know and I never want to guess a woman's age because that that will only bring fire and brimstone down on you.

I don't know. I think she's probably my age or in that range. She's probably in her late 50s, I would say I mean I just turned 60. , so I think that she's in there. She's beautiful. She's beautiful. She's the most amazing representation of the  of the mature [00:32:00] female athlete that you'll find.

, I I'm very biased in that direction. Um, I see by the other women that are in their 40s look young when they're in their 50s. There's a maturation that occurs that is it phenomenal now, we're seeing women in their 60s and 70s and even early 80s. That are competing

and they actually look they actually a winning opens. They look better than the young girls and don't get me wrong. The young girls are beautiful. But you know, it's Reviving the notion that women at any age can have spectacular physiques and look fantastic. , you know, but you gotta you got to be disciplined.

You got to do the work. It doesn't happen, you know, , [00:33:00] it's not about the supplement. It's not about the drugs. It's about the consistency more they thing else that's right. It's about to consistency. I'll add to that in July of 2011 here in Austin. There was the um, huge dedication and banquets for the leader physical culture museum at the University of Texas.

On hand were about 150 physical culture. Most of whom have been on the covers of magazines over the last 50 years was a who's who gathered Bill Pearl was 80 years old doctor went with me. My doctor's  comment that he's a former board examiner. The American Academy of Aging medicine is into bodybuilders.

Assembled that evening look to be at least 20 years younger than their chronological age. I think that the most spectacular condition there was Boyer Coe, where [00:34:00] was in his probably mid 60s phenomenal, , maybe better than ever. Frank Zane was great. Frank isn't carrying resides that he did in earlier years.

But , it's a different structure boy is mental or was there he was close to 80. He was just back from a 500-mile biking Excursion you ever heard of red arrow? No, no thanking 60. Mr. America. He's still running a gym in Baton Rouge area of Louisiana. , the list is not confined to women. Um men and women are we're seeing a new phenotype we have I think take into account that the weight training only becomes credible [00:35:00] after World War Two.

Even more so with our roughly Our Generation people my age group your age group. Um, when I was in high school the coaches the doctors told us don't do that will make you muscle-bound to gain all that muscle when you quit working out of turn into fat, but I what physiology that that happened. I don't know but , that's what we were told we've gone on to become a intentional mutants if you will.

You know, I want to talk about the sick aging phenotype for a second, right? So we just assumed I think most people most Americans I'll say not the people in this audience, but most Americans I think if you ask them, um, do you think that you will develop a disease in your lifetime? I would venture a guess that at least 80% of them would say, yeah.

And they'll justify by saying my sister got this or my dad died of that [00:36:00] and we have been conned into thinking that the only way to live a long life is to accept the diseases and take drugs for them. And and the part of the problem is that humans are very short-sighted. They're very myopic.

They don't remember or acknowledge. History, we it's almost like every generation starts from scratch all over again. The inherited intelligence is somehow wiped out. We don't build on the trajectory of the previous generation and as a result of that we forget. That people in the eye. I just came back from Ireland and I actually went through cemeteries from the you know, 11th 12th 13th century and found more than enough people who lived into the 7th 8th and 9th decade of their lives.

You know this this idea that oh, we're living longer and that's why we have all these diseases. We forget [00:37:00] that people in the 1300s and the 1400s and the 1500s and all the way up to the early 1800s because it all started to go wrong in the middle 1800s live. What happened then Carl. Well, we fell in love with we fell in love with chemicals that chemistry and science.

No, we fell in love with the Industrial Revolution in technology. Well, yes, and I've actually talked about that that whole notion that three meals a day was created by the Industrial Revolution because they didn't want to pay you to eat all day. So they said you eat at home in the morning eat at home in the evening and we'll pay you for one meal in the afternoon all of a sudden people became compartmentalized when they eat but the point is.

We will not acknowledge the truth. And the truth is that people live to be 70 80 90 and even 100 without cholesterol medications without blood pressure medications without any doctor that they didn't even see doctors back then unless you had a leg cut off a farm accident. [00:38:00] Well several things to say about that.

First of all,  a culture without a sense of his past. It has no future. Bingo our culture has made a transition from any kind of wisdom that might have had to a technological culture. We believe in technology, we worship fact and data and they keep changing. We don't have a wisdom base that says live this way and Things fall in place, which is one of the things I'm out to accomplish I call list.

Um, , Life Renaissance light cultural Renaissance is what we're after. Oh in the stuff that I'm doing. We need to Renaissance the values a culture of Life instead of a culture of fact and abstraction, which keep changing. Secondly, they keep changing because our science has [00:39:00] been commodified has been turned into a whore.

To support,  industries that like Monsanto the polluters in the food processing and in the um, Pharmaceuticals, which we collectively worship and believe are going to make , well again, I mean, our culture right now is preposterously delusional. About health and fitness if we had a wisdom culture, we would we would be trained from birth to be active and not only asked of but you know, if we look out to the mysterious East they're going to tell you that being active is fun.

They're going to stress feelings. Being in touch with what you're feeling now, the people go to the gym and work out come out feeling. Well. We know part of that because their biochemistry changes whether or not we know their biochemistry changes, we always know they're [00:40:00] they're feeling better. Now, if we were to go to Japan, we would learn that physical culture has a lot to do with a healthy sex life.

So, um, There are cultures that emphasize the not the meaning of life, but the Bliss of life and that list of life is Fitness. Am I making sense? Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And the what you're really discussing is both the intrinsic and extrinsic value of training. Um the wisdom of training.

Well, yeah, the I mean the things that you get from it besides the physiological changes in your body and there's no doubt about it. No matter what disease State you're fighting you will always feel better if you continue to train, but you know, the ego is what keeps people from training in my humble opinion.

Dr. Jeff Golini just came back from  class reunions, [00:41:00] um, 40-year class for Union. High school, I guess , and , we talked about on the air the other day, you know, some of the guys are still in shape from the football team, but most of them aren't most of them just stopped and the reality is that the reason most guys stop is because of what I started the show with him that is.

I can't do that anymore that one thing which was tied to my identity in the gym. Right but that ends up being cultural that ego is socially constructed. It doesn't come out of nowhere and it doesn't come out of karma comes out of our social construction of the information. We're getting on Media news and so on and it's tilted two things happens in the 1980s.

I just can't believe that we ignore 1986. The holistic prescription [00:42:00] was published which compared modern Western people with excess hunter-gatherer people and found that the diseases that we take for granted as being normal don't exist among hunter-gatherers that are even have words for them that their cultural baggage that we're creating then two years later.

 Evenson Rosenberg a tough. Investigated the angel conviction that muscle wasting is the normal condition of Aging their conclusion muscle-wasting causes premature aging and metabolic breakdown metabolic breakdown and chronic degenerative disease are the same thing right interesting and I when I started doing the show, it'll be 13 years this November for the first year or so.

I signed off every show saying these words muscle is metabolic currency. So get into the gym and make a deposit today in my argument [00:43:00] was you're saving money your you've got to financial plan, but you don't have. A metabolic plan and so you're going to have all this money, but guess who's going to get it the nursing home?

Because they're the ones that are gonna have to change your diaper and face you at the TV when you want to watch a TV show because you didn't go in and make those metabolic deposits. I want to take a quick commercial break when we come back. I just want to change the subject just a little bit. I I we have a second interview at 1:30 today.

, that's the live time. To talk about some components of CBD that actually could improve the survival rate of pancreatic cancer. , I want to talk about something you mentioned to me that you actually use CBD with some of the dogs that you take care of. Okay? Okay, so stay tuned. We'll be right back.

Welcome back to superhuman radio. [00:44:00] So a little bit later in the show actually Grace is going to join us. We're going to talk about some new research on  cannabidiol which come from hemp. They don't have to come from marijuana cannabis. Um, and so when I told you that I'd be having him on the show to talk about this.

You said that you're actually using CBD with some of the dogs that you care for. Yeah. We have quite a few dogs. Um, And some of them are what we're now calling Sanctuary dogs do to , , either medical or Behavioral or age health conditions. Um, they're here for the rest of their life. And one of them is a little girl named Maggie who I think we've come to understand what was triggering her.

She was having seizures last time. She had a um, Um those topical [00:45:00] dose of um, I think it's Ivermectin and a flea repellent administered, um of topically she had something like a dozen seizures in a day. That was the worst the pattern had been growing at this point. We've eliminated. She's on phenobarbital small doses.

Um, and , the cannabis oil now as well and adding that cannabis oil has really helped smooth throughout now. Is this cannabis oil or just CBD oil? I'm not real up to speed on the , well, well obviously cannabis is only legal in some states today and even then it's not federally legal. Um CBD comes from hemp which has very little THC in it below [00:46:00] what the government considers as being capable of causing psychoactive effects.

And so CBD is legal now and just about every state when it comes from hemp and not from cannabis. That's the I think she's buying the Texas and Texas is not , yeah, they don't have legalized marijuana. So that's that's probably from him. That's probably from him, um interestingly enough, , Kentucky the Bluegrass State um is growing some of the best hemp right now and it makes perfect sense, right because we grow tobacco and , We used to have there's a there was a guy named Johnny bun and there's a book about this if you want to read an interesting book, it's called a cornbread Mafia and there's a guy named Johnny Boone who used to live in Ray County Kentucky who  back in the 70s, [00:47:00]  started he bought a farm.

It was like 100 Acre Farm he planted corn. In the on the periphery of the farm, but planted marijuana inside the corn and he was doing this for years and he was producing some of the greatest strains of marijuana possible taking advantage of the Agricultural advances that we have here and the quality soil and then once the sheriff's department in Ray County got their first helicopter.

Like they couldn't figure out where all the marijuana was coming from. They just couldn't figure it out,  people coming in from California and getting busted leaving with like 600 pounds of marijuana. Like, where are they getting this stuff from little town here? Um, once they got the helicopter and they were able to fly over they saw what he was doing and then if you read the book, he started literally traveling around the country and setting up farms and having to stay one step ahead [00:48:00] of the government and he went into.

Hiding in the I think he finally found them somewhere in South America and extradited him but nonetheless. Um, so we are actually growing some of the greatest hemp organic hemp with the highest concentrations of cannabidiol and terpenes and all the things that are really good about it here in Kentucky.

And while the government keeps saying that CBD has no medical value. They hold the patent. You heard me right they  Center for know the CDC holds the patent on CBD as a pain reliever. Now think about this the government is telling people CBD does nothing but yet they went out of their way to get a patent on using it to control pain.

Yeah. Well, it's not uncommon with CDC. [00:49:00] They went after this is dr. An East Texas. Um, don't remember his name is it md-phd developed protocols about and patented I think about 18 Pharmaceuticals for curing cancer and the fda's made immense. Yeah, but CDC one of them went after um,

Sure the bed while and I don't want to get off of CBD for a second but the CDC holds 22 vaccine patterns. Just think about that next time you're telling you that vaccines are safe and you should take them. But anyway, CBD is being used and I want to talk about something else for a second that people may not realize that I shared with you when I was training this morning at the gym.

So you said. That it was most likely a topical. What was this topical stuff you put on the dog? What does it use [00:50:00] for aren't warm? Okay who remembers the mad cow disease epidemic in the United States raise your hand. Okay. I see a lot of you. Yeah, right. So who remembers them announcing that it would go away.

Oh nobody right when we never we heard about mad cow disease. They scared the bejeebers out us out of us about eating beef, but just somehow. Mysteriously I guess they cured it. Did you hear about the Cure or they found the reason or how did they eradicate mad cow disease? Oh, wait, they found out that the mad cow disease.

They prions being found in cow's brains. Basically the , , what is it Epstein Jacobs syndrome or something? Like that was actually a result of the fly wipe those of you who have never worked with large animals, like horses and cows flies [00:51:00] can really terrorize these poor animals. I mean horses and cows.

They literally get eaten up and they get infections. They get open wounds, so. They put something on the animal and it's called fly. Wipe. It's a liquid you put it on a cloth. You rub it on the animals hair, it drips down and gets on the skin and it repels flies. They found out that the fly wipe that they will using a particular brand of fly wipe was causing mad cow disease.

Did you hear about that? Oh, no, you didn't but meanwhile, where is mad cow disease? How did they eradicate it how they get rid of? Did they give animals vaccines? No, they stopped using that fly wipe and miraculously. Mysteriously the mad cow disease went away. So when you put something on your animal that abducted veterinarian prescribes don't think it can't kill or hurt that animal sounds like ground-up.

What's that? Sounds like Roundup? Yeah, right. Sounds like everything they do to you [00:52:00] man. Right we're doing it to our you know, I think if there's a take-home point about training and age and Health and Longevity one of the things and , nonconformity. We simply have to develop a culture that we can go to for reliable sources of information about what to say no to what to avoid.

We're in a place now, With flights was that scenes who knows what that our experts are high priest the ones that we trust,  intentionally or not are betraying us. I'm really reluctant to take anything pharmaceutical at this point. I've done a lot of research, so I don't know that you heard the  show.

Or saw um, the fact that I did a show the other day on [00:53:00] , vaccines autoimmunity and the changing nature of childhood disease with dr. Thomas Cowan. I've got a list of that know, you do have to listen because here's his assertion and he has science to prove it and I don't mean shoddy science the same science that.

Vaccine proponents use to support the effectiveness of vaccines has a mysterious little dark side to it that they don't talk about and that is this the adjuvant used in vaccines to cause the immune system to wage a wholesale war on the side of immunity. So that you get the antibodies to protect you against a particular virus don't do that just for the specific virus.

They do it to the entire immune system. [00:54:00] Basically what vaccines do and he didn't like me using this term, but it's a colloquial term we're using today that sums up. And means something to the population what vaccines do is they weaponize the immune system and against the entire immune. I mean against the entire population of tissue in your body.

There is a direct correlation to the rise in autoimmunity today and the use of vaccines and he shows this and in fact, there is an organization in Europe. That focuses exclusively on vaccines and the head of the organization is a brilliant scientist from Israel. And he has said these words but you just don't hear them here in the United States because all of the companies that make vaccines interestingly enough are US based companies, they have international presences, but their US based companies, they have a lot of money invested in you using vaccines.

They don't want you to know that when they use [00:55:00] that adjuvant. Which is often aluminum or something similar that aluminum doesn't tell the immune system. Just go after the flu,  virus it tells the immune system go after everything you think is dangerous and sometimes the immune system thinks your thyroid is dangerous.

And you end up with Hashimoto's disease and sometimes your immune system thinks,  that your eyes are dangerous and you end up with glaucoma. We know that glaucoma is now an autoimmune disease Parkinson's disease is an autoimmune disease. So we when we were children and you even before me we got maybe four or five vaccines today, the average child gets 65 vaccines before the age.

Of five think about system and he also points out that vaccines don't work because they only activate the side of the immune system, which is the. Is the [00:56:00] deployment of the system that fights it doesn't activate the one part of it, which is the intracellular immune system. So what ends up happening is you need boosters because the vaccines don't work and he said and I asked him I said what about herd immunity he said herd immunity is false.

If you really want her to munity let people get the viruses and live through them. Then the mother when she breastfeeds the baby the baby gets the immunity, but if your mother takes a vaccine that only mounts,  the to side of the immune system, , which is the antibody side then the baby needs a vaccine to someday that's disgusting.

But just think about that vaccines work they cause the immune system. To mount an all-out war and you know what happens when all out Wars there's a lot of Friendly Fire. [00:57:00] Lots of people died that aren't intended to well your immune system doesn't goes beyond just attacking the virus. It starts to attack the body.

Well, I'm beginning to learn that  canine vaccinations are another money-making racket course. People love their dogs. They're cashing it the veterinarians at cashing in on the fact that people love their animals.

I mean you people to some people their animals are there children you wouldn't you wouldn't put your child In Harm's Way. Why would you do something that you knowingly may put your so the veterinarian's they play on that? Oh, well, we you need to give your dog a vaccine. , you need to do this for your dog and you do that and they getting so much money from it.

Well, I've caught ones want to do rabies every year of rabies. You can at least get a three-year shot, you know, once every three they're not going to make as much doing it that way. Yeah. [00:58:00] Anyway, , what do we have? Do we have anything to plug for you? Are you  doing any speaking engagements? I know that you do travel and speak sometimes.

, well we're in transition Carl you. Yeah, you're taking you're taking on you're taking on the  trans evolutionary Fitness Radio podcast yourself now exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to be bringing that up with a new. Um, I've had the trans evolutionary,  logs since 2011. What I'm doing now is converting that to Wordpress you gave me a clue there.

I can convert that to a website that will house at least two blogs. They trans evolutionary set which will continue that line of work and another one called other and the one about other is the  other way that the gnosis what I'm looking at there is developing a mind that is free [00:59:00] and that can do critical thinking and a lot creative thinking and um a lot more that's crucial.

To developing that ,  life culture Renaissance. We all want we want to get away from this crap that surrounding us. So the new website will be doing that. , dr. Scott Hurley is talking about coming on board. His focus is um, non Western medicine. He's not a doctor. , his wife is a doctor of classical Chinese medicine and naturopathic.

We're looking at Alternatives of work. We're looking at real science. So all those things will be under the , trans evolutionary Fitness website is coming up in the next week or two, right? Excellent. That's all good news and the property and we have to acknowledge Carl. None of us what we started.

I mean the blog [01:00:00] started but how  has worked with Lee 20 now doing podcasts and , I'll be back here with column called me on my podcast. There you go. Hey, that'll be a pleasure. I'd like to do that. And in fact at the end of this month, I'm flying to Los Angeles to do Tom Bill use, um Health Theory.

Podcast which gets like 6 million views on YouTube every time he does. Yeah, and I'm really I'm really flattered. He actually asked me a year ago, but I had a lot of things going on at the show and then I had the foot surgery and I thought the foot would be better by now, but obviously I need surgery in November.

So I'm going at the end of this month to be out there in Los Angeles. I'm going to be staying with Joel green,  one night. I'm going to stay with Ron Penna. A couple nights and his lovely wife Shannon. You're the daughter of Chetan. Um, oh really? Yeah. She's an amazing athlete to she's another one.

She's not a freak of nature. I mean, she's just [01:01:00] amazing. Um, but anyway, I remember chat Norton from the early 60s in San Francisco and a you competitions. It was phenomenal. Yeah. He was a Phenom II and she's got his jeans. There's no doubt about it. Um, but yeah, so I'll be out in Los Angeles the end of the month and  doing that, so I'm excited.

So I'm trying to get around and get on other people's podcasts now. I'm trying to spread myself around a little bit more. So I be I'd be honored to do the show as a guest be fun. All right, Ken. Thanks for being here today, brother. Thanks. Talk to you later. We're going to take one quick commercial break when we come back.

I have to apologize. I made a big mistake yesterday and a bunch of you called me out on it and we'll talk about that. When we come back. Say

my daughter Sydney just walked in. She's going to be 21 on the 27th. I actually did a show with her back in like 2007. Um, I have to take it up [01:02:00] and play it. It's really cute show you was so little and you had raised money. For like dare to care or something like that you and your friend had a lemonade stand you said and your voice is so little and you like, h?

You sound like the mouse. I used to call your mouse and you look beautiful you really do and she's gonna be 21 on the 27th. She's becoming such a big girl. I can't believe it. I used to change your diaper. Who can I not write do a little too much information right there. But anyway, I gotta say something.

So yesterday I made a big mistake sit down just push that stuff off the chair. Um guess that I made a big mistake in some of you called me out on it. So I did this whole elaborate discussion about Metagenics supplements and how now they're available at the supremum radio website, and I said you get 20% off and I got messages on Facebook and emails to the on air at Super radio email address.

Saying that [01:03:00] you said there's a twenty percent off discount, but you didn't give the coupon code. And so when I did the transcript of the podcast yesterday I found out that people were right. I was like, of course I gave the coupon code. I'm a I'm a professional I do this for a living. Well sure enough.

I was wrong and you were right. So apparently a lot of you are buying Metagenics products through your doctors. And right now you can save 20% off by going to superhuman radio. There's a Metagenics,  skyscraper Banner ad on the right hand side of the  homepage that rotates, but the easiest way to find is to click any podcast any podcast at all and you that when you brought to the second page, You'll see the Metagenics banner ad at the very top of the page you click that and the store is run by dr.

Paul can [01:04:00] stand he's a doctor here in town. I've had him on the show. We talked about stem cell therapy and you can get 20% off anything-- you buy and that and there's no limit. You could buy one thing. You could buy 10 things. Whatever it is. You get 20% off you use the coupon code. All one word.

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They are the kind of supplement company. We've always said we wish you could find and so go to super radio. Browse the website see if there's anything in there you like use the coupon code TRYMETAGENICS while one word and save 20% [01:05:00] off anything you buy no minimum whatsoever. And what I'm going to do is I'm going to go ahead and run the break again.

And when we come back, we're gonna be joined by Ashley Grace and we're going to talk about this new research that shows that cannabidiol may actually extend the life of people with pancreatic cancer. It's a very exciting discussion stay tuned. We'll be right back with more SUPER HUMAN RADIO   .

So hemp,  CBD and it's big brother cannabis continue to be in the news because of emerging research and , the research tends to be very good and it makes perfect sense to me because. We evolved under the influence of these molecules of the terpenes, , the cannabidiol and other things that have found in these plants.

And proof of that is that we have a , endocannabinoids system that includes receptors on cells and the [01:06:00] brain and other tissue and we produce we produce cannabinoids think about that. Um, When people are telling you how bad they offer you, , and a new study was just published that showed very  promising evidence that CBD from hemp or from Cannabis either one,  can be very influential in the outcome of the most deadly of cancers pancreatic cancer.

Um, if you're not already aware, The death rate of pancreatic cancer in the first year after diagnosis is like less than ten percent actually live past the first year and even after treatment most of the people don't live five years. It's a very aggressive cancer. It's a horrible cancer. , my guest is Ashley Grace.

How you doing? Ashley? Good [01:07:00] girl. How are you today? Welcome back and people and we'll get to your story here in a little bit because you've been um, You've had a powerful,  experience with these types of molecules in your own life. But before we talk about that, I just want to I want to talk about this this research.

So obviously this was done on rodents. That's where all research starts and  now they're going to have to do it on Youmans but here's the Reader's Digest version of the research. They had four groups of mice. They all were genetically predisposed to pancreatic cancer. They raise him that way, , 10 were given just CBD by itself eight were given the chemo drug, ,  by itself, , and the chemo drug is Gemcitabine.

I'm trying to pronounce that properly. It's the one that they [01:08:00] use for pancreatic cancer. Seven will given both CBD and the chemo drug and the nine were given the placebo, , the placebo group died on average in 19 days. Um the CBD group Alone by themselves. This is statistically significant. They lived just over 25 days.

Keep in mind that the group that got just. The chemo only lived 28 days so that puts the CBD by itself almost on equal footing as far as it's , life-preserving effect as the chemo and keeping keep in mind chemo has horrible side effects where it destroys other tissue in the body. Most people who get chemotherapy.

Don't die the cancer. They died of  conditions developed as a result of exposure to [01:09:00] chemo. CBD does it does it do that to you? So when you consider that the CBD Group by themselves got 25 days of life and the chemo group got 28, but they had to be a horrible 28 days of life when they combined the two when they combine the CBD and  the chemo these rodents live almost twice as long 53 days.

After starting the treatment and I have to believe that the CBD, , probably mitigated some of the harmful negative side effects that we see from  the chemo. So this this particular research flies in the face of the cdc's assertion just months ago,  with their release of a paper that made it all over the Internet and national news.

That CBD has no medical, , efficacy [01:10:00] whatsoever. , all of a sudden they're wrong. Oh go figure. What do you think actually, um, very interesting I think for sharing the details of that study Carl. Powerful had a very close friend passed away of pancreatic cancer years ago and you're exactly right.

It was you know, it was under 90 days from the time. He told me he was you know, sick to the time he passed away. So, um, Horrible things and this what we need is we need more research. We need more human trials and double-blind Placebo done like has been done for epilepsy, you know, um, they've recently completed that dialects was approved as a as a drug for epilepsy, which is a you know, it's a CBD derived directly from the hemp plant is what the  product is.

Um, And it's unfortunate that we don't have more research like that. [01:11:00] Um, you know, just because there's a lot of people out there who are needing answers and there's also a lot of people out there who are selling stuff making claims, you know saying hey, you know, we cure cancer and that kind of stuff and that's not appropriate, right?

You know, it's just not appropriate to make those types of claims and the fact that we don't have the research is what's leading? I think the industry and so many people to start making those claims because they're just trying to get awareness. Um, so it's a promising finding I I'm very happy to hear about that study and.

And I would love to see that continue on and go into human trials and for the DEA to get out of the way so that those human trials can go faster and more broadly because , there's a lot of Promise here. Well, this particular study was done at the College of London in the UK, and I don't know if you're aware of this but I have a good friend there Andrew Scarborough who  by using nutritional therapies, , eliminated his own.

Astrocytoma, [01:12:00] and I can't say that he uses CBD because CBD is illegal in the UK. , but , he has told me that it has profound effects on seizures, which is a side effect that quite often of when depending on where you have a tumor in your head and I just had a guy on the show just minutes before you.

Ken O'Neill and we segwayed into a discussion because he cares for dog's sick dogs and he has a dog that was  that's developed like 30 or 50 seizures a day after being having an application of a heartworm. Topical heartworm medication rubbed on her and the only thing that would control and literally made the seizures stop was human grade CBD.

They started giving the dog CBD oil in Texas and the seizures stopped. But prior to that the dog [01:13:00] was like having 30 to 50 seizures a day. Yeah. Yeah. It's , Like I said, the good news on that point is for seizures at least for epilepsy. Um, you know, the proof is in, you know, um, the studies have been done the FDA has ruled and now people that have that condition can go get a prescription for it.

Um, you know, obviously, you know, Companies like a champ and others are trying to you know, provide natural dietary supplements of the you know, the foundation and the full spectrum cannabinoids that exist. Um, and you know are staying away from making any claims associated with that, but the bottom line is it's good for you.

So, um, that's enough of a claim, you know for me,  at this point, even though I know that , there's a lot of people out there making very, you know, broad-based claims that are just not appropriate. Yeah and that happens anytime. There's an emerging industry. You have your hucksters and [01:14:00] your charlatans.

It doesn't matter what it is, but they then get we did we saw this in stem cell, you know, when stem cell first became popular they were people out there, , you know injecting dubious. Things into people and claiming they were stem cells and saying they're gonna cure this and cure that and they didn't.

Um, so clearly now that's been eradicated. It's pretty much on the control now, um, but there's something else that needs to be discussed as well. And that is that the same widespread demonization of CBD because of its Big Brother cannabis.  has kind of Tainted it a little bit that makes people think that this is the same thing as kind of a but more importantly where the research is allowed to be done.

We are actually seeing cannabis the THC component contributing its own benefits and treating [01:15:00] things like Parkinson's disease and certain Cancers and it was you who taught me. That claiming that something is a full spectrum CBD but removing the THC from it because even hemp has miniscule amounts of THC that while.

Would not will not produce a psychoactive effect at any dose that THC that little residual THC plays an important role in facilitating the benefits of the terpenes and the cannabidiol. You taught me that on the show. In fact, um, I did a video and to this day. I mean, it's got like twenty three thousand views where.

I talked about a painful injection. I gave myself one day because I'm on HRT and I inject myself in my quads and every so often. I don't know if I hit a nerve but it's just so hurts for days and I just had gotten my new bottle of H hemp [01:16:00] and I did a pretty big dose by any capacity. I think I'd like to full drop of but then like about 10-15 minutes later.

I had to get up to go get the mail and I got up and I realized the pain was gone in my leg. And so. , we're now starting to see people going. Wait a minute THC plays a role in this are we short-sighted to be , demonizing this plant that has potential amazing benefits, especially in Parkinson's disease management, and I know that that you kind of have a foot in each boat today, right?

You know, you're in the you're in the  CBD from hemp world, but you're also,  now in the , the THC side of it too because you are actually not only the co-founder of H Hemp Company, but you are the general manager of a company called Stillwater Ingredients, right? Yes. Yes. I am and um, it's a good it's you know again [01:17:00] back to nobody really has these answers Carl.

I mean, we got a lot of anecdotes. There's not a lot of research and it's frustrating for many of us and I'm learning just like everybody else is and you know what I've learned through this process and I've and I've learned this just by watching people respond and getting you know consumer feedback from people who are using the products and you know, there are um, Clearly benefit just from CBD by itself.

, you know, there are people who believe that the full-spectrum Dimension adds an extra layer of efficacy and it works better for them. And again, that's kind of where the research needs to be applied. But right now we do know CBD by itself works because the epileptic studies that we're done by , you know for epic by GW Pharma.

Um, all of that has been done on a CBD isolate that you know, everything starts as a full spectrum. You know hemp product but what they do is they isolate out the CBD and that's what's the basis of that drug. And the basis of that study is that [01:18:00] that drug isolated CBD performed better than a placebo at a statistical level and that's why they got approval.

Now what has not been done is. Would a full spectrum variety which in other words would contain more than CBD. Um, maybe a little THC maybe some terpenes. Um, but as you start to Define that this is why it gets difficult because what is really a full spectrum it's hard to really isolate that down and it also becomes more of a genetic conversation because the genetics that are used for example in hemp products are the same, you know, Charlotte's Web genetics that are that are out there and have been around.

Um, but does that mean that that's going to work better than isolated CBD? We don't know,  for some people anecdotic like yourself your reporting. Hey, it feels like this works better for me and you're not alone. Um, but there's a lot of people in cassette who are getting benefit from the CBD itself and I think at the end of the day, um, [01:19:00] you know, the summary would be for people to give it a try.

There's not you know, it's non-psychoactive. So it's you know, the benefits associated with medical marijuana. Are often present with CBD for many people give it a try. You don't have any thing to worry about in terms of side effects. You're not going to get higher as a result of it. And it very well could change your life.

Like it's changed mine and many others talk about your talk about your story briefly. You had a severe head injury, right? Yes, I took a used to be quite an athlete,  the weekend athlete anyway,  and um played a lot of softball and I took one of those where I'm running for the ball and I'm screaming I got it.

I got it and everybody hears me except for the guy running toward me on my team. And as I do for the ball his knee,  connected with my orbital bone in my face. Luckily didn't kill me. Um, it was a very violent Collision, , traumatic brain injury. Um, I've got two plates in my face eight screws.

I [01:20:00] had, you know, a history of , migraines and muscle spasms and just bad life bad quality of life. And um, you know, I discovered. Um discovered the hemp CBD and you know, I'm I don't want to make claims here, but I can just tell you I don't have the severity of problems or the frequency of the problems that I had anywhere near that um, and that's my personal story and it's and that's what got me into the industry and maybe want to kind of focus on spreading awareness and being in a Banja list for.

This amazing plant based, you know product plant-based foods, like you said, um, our bodies make cannabinoids when I learned that it made all the sense in the world and there's a theory that deficiency in cannabinoids in humans is what's causing a lot of the problems that we're having today and so by replacing the endocannabinoids with Fido cannabinoids, which just means plant-based [01:21:00] cannabinoids is like those found in a champ and other products.

Then you're filling that cannabinoid deficiency and US restoring homeostatic balance to the body and you're able to better defend yourself against a variety of calamities. Okay, I want to take a quick commercial break and when we come back, I want to kind of start to talk a little bit about THC because obviously it's still illegal here in most places in the United States, but there are some states obviously that have adopted both medical and recreational use of marijuana are the universities in those States able to start doing research on it or because it's not federally.

 approved yet are their hands tied. We're talkin with Ashley Grace. , he is a sponsor at superhuman radio his hemp product can be received by going to http://superhumanradio.net and clicking any one of the H Hemp banner ads and you actually save 20% with code SHR [01:22:00] off your first order and everybody who's used it has told me they loved it and I'm not kidding ya so check it out.

We'll be right back.

Welcome back to super human radio talkin with Ashley gray. So we're going to talk about one of his other endeavors right now, which is a natural progression when you start to work with CBD you realize that the , let's just say the social constructs,  that , stay in the stand in the way of cannabis,  being legalized Nationwide, um unfounded.

And as a result of that there's a lot of people who aren't benefiting. I mean, I remember seeing something just recently about topical cannabis cream and a child who had some sort of , skin disorder a baby like under two years old and the only thing that worked was this,  topical full spectrum [01:23:00] cannabis cream.

, the baby's pain went away and the skin actually got better in days, but the mother and father were threatened to be thrown in jail. They were supposed to the doctors couldn't help the baby. They did nothing. They had helped the baby and the mom and dad found something that worked and they were told they couldn't use it.

Imagine being that parent. It's trapped in the middle of this stupidity. So talk about the , the Cannabis side of this for a second and your other Endeavor, please. Yes, Carl. Thanks and I can't imagine being in that position as a parent. I know  terrible, um, and it's crazy that we put parents in that position in this country, um today but I've so I'm the general manager of Still Water ingredients and still water is a really interesting operation here in Colorado Stillwater brand is a line of.

Water-soluble cannabis products that are available in dispensaries here in [01:24:00] Colorado. They have some really great tea products as well as coffee products and then. Um Stillwater realized that they were actually producing an ingredient that was being added in two coffees and teas and so they decided to start selling the ingredient by itself.

And that ingredient is called Ripple, , follow this the noise here. It's okay. I'm worried about so Ripple. I remember Ripple being a wine that  Fred Sanford used to drink. It's that it's also a cryptocurrency and it's a now some sort of soymilk. And it is a THC edible in Colorado. Wow. It's all of those things but it's actually the fastest growing edible in Colorado right now is Ripple and it's a powderized water-soluble cannabis product and it comes in THC by itself or CBD by itself or balanced CBD and THC together.

Um, it's really taken off. And [01:25:00] they brought me in to form and ingredients business, which I'm really excited about because um, this is a way to really make an impact even more broadly than just working with one individual brand but you know to really impact the United States culture and the world's culture when it comes to cannabis getting, you know, CBD and THC included as food ingredients that we can all begin in consuming and.

With or without the psychoactivity that's an option. It doesn't have to be required in any of this development anymore. Um, but really by incorporating these cannabinoids into a variety of food and beverages I believe is what can really change  human health and scope of human health on the planet.

Um, and so that's why I'm so excited to be a part of Stillwater and to be leading this ingredients business where we are working with. Colorado based foods and beverages that want to put THC into them, you know, we can do that or we're working with you know, Global based products [01:26:00] that want to put CBD and them and we can help Supply that as well.

So it's really exciting and it's  the case that it's kind of an evolution of my experience in the industry. And really it's one that I just want to make as much impact in this industry as I can. Um, you know, H Hemp and my partnership and the co-founders I have there. That's one Avenue to make a really good impact and.

Then Stillwater ingredients is another Avenue to make a possibly more significant impact by helping, you know, create a an acceptable functional food that is derived from cannabinoids. I think that's brilliant. I mean, there's a lot I have a of childhood friend. He's more like a brother. , I'm just gonna say his first name because he may not want me to mention this his name is Al and he  is one of the founders and owners of RE-Leaf  , the dispensary on Las Vegas Boulevard in Vegas [01:27:00] and , they worked on developing a lot of stuff as well. But the problem is as you inadvertently kind of outlined when you said well, you know, the stuff that has THC in it we sell in Colorado. So, Colorado and Nevada and all these individual states.

Have companies that have all come out with their own for instance K-Cups with , THC Infuse coffee as Al has come out with his. Companies in Colorado of command because this is artificial fence around the state that says no you can't ship THC over states that don't have legalization to a state that does have legalization which is like it's like Draconian.

It's just draconian stupidity. So I make a THC based product in Nevada. It's legal. You have a dispensary in Colorado. It's legal, [01:28:00] but I can't ship from Nevada to.  to Colorado because the states in between don't have legalization. So I am breaking ,  Interstate trafficking laws and mail fraud and all this other stuff.

So each state has their own little bumper crop of these companies that are coming up with these things. But I see that the CBD side of this is brilliant because now you can ship it to just about every state in the United States. I I'm with you on this. Um, I believe that we're going to start seeing a sensible inclusion in food products and nutraceuticals of CBD where it makes sense.

Yeah, we believe it's the next logical functional ingredient after you know, um, fish oil omega-3 flavonoids, , you know, it's only logical that cannabinoids become that next functional ingredient and frankly. They probably have the most function [01:29:00] of anything that's ever been added to food. Yeah.

It's very exciting. So if someone is listening to this show right now, , and I know a lot of people who listen to this show either have like keto food companies or supplement companies if someone's listening to this show right now, and they think wow CBD because of this action would be a great addition as an ingredient in this.

Product that I make maybe it's a sleep product or recovery product or a pain product or whatever,  inflammation product. How do they reach you to find out like how do we start considering including this shelf stability all those questions. You probably have answers to how do they reach you? Yes, if they the easiest way is for them to go to Stillwater ingredients.

And at that point they can look at about all the details about what we're doing and the team involved and the quality approach and then there's a contact us form there. If they want to take the [01:30:00] next step and reach out and chances are I'll be , I'll be personally getting in touch with them through that process, but that's still water ingredients is the website now obviously, um, CBD is not thc this is just the isolated CBD that you're talkin about here.

So are there any problems with cGMP manufacturers adding this to their line, , you know,  as an ingredient do they have to disclose anything do they have to um be concerned about supplements that are being made,  where authorities having jurisdiction have banned certain substances or CBD pretty much okay to use just about everywhere.

A good question and really I don't know way to answer this completely. Honestly is it they should all check with their individual legal counsel, right? That's the ultimate way and to then judge what level of risk do they are they comfortable in [01:31:00] taking because at the end of the day given these um, sporadic laws that are in place.

And it's pretty obvious, you know, there are many companies like a champ and many companies that Stillwater ingredients supplies that are that believe that it is legal and those companies are operating across state lines and they're sending products. Um, so and they're not getting shut down.

They're not getting. , there's no enforcement being dedicated towards stopping that is really what it comes down to and what we've seen for our business is that smaller brands that are looking to create  themselves or to make themselves grow faster or be more attractive to larger brands for acquisition purposes down the line.

That's where those brands are willing to take the risks associated with CBD and are working with Stillwater Now to create products that do have CBD and it's growing quite rapidly. Um, but to be completely transparent to Big Brands out there, you know, the big giant, , Multinational Global conglomerate [01:32:00] Brands.

They're taking a more wait-and-see attitude tour it yeah several of several of them are actually working with Stillwater. I don't want to give any names but they're working with Stillwater more from an RD perspective where they're trying to develop their products in anticipation of these barriers coming down and the legal framework becoming more clear and they don't want to get caught with that happening.

 and them not being ready with their products. So they're developing things by kind of behind the scenes, but they're not rolling anything out yet until they believe that the legal landscape becomes a little bit more favorable to them. Um, so really it just comes down to your own tolerance for risk, you know, bigger Brands who have a lot to lose or more shy and skittish about this smaller Brands who are aggressive and trying to create themselves into to make themselves, you know, get them on themselves on the map.

They're being much more aggressive and they're having good success working with this ingredient real quick is the University of Colorado or schools [01:33:00] that are universities that are inside states where cannabis has been legalized their hands been untied so that they can do research or are they still kind of cautious not to get pulled into the kind of Tainted world of science.

Yeah, they're still there still on the sidelines primarily, which is really sad. That's sad that said sphere Carl. I mean, um at the end of the day the DEA, , for some reason still has this on their schedule one drugs is worse than heroin. There's bad as heroin, right and um, it's clearly not I mean, but the fact that.

It all comes back to money and control and right now the DEA says that if the schedule 1 and therefore a lot of people are scared of them, um, they then set on the sidelines from doing research. Um, and it's really that's just that's just the way it is despite the reality that the um, [01:34:00] the farm bill.

The Omnibus act and other legislation has kind of carved out some loopholes around CBD, um still listed on that schedule one list and until that is removed which will take an act of Congress to do that. Um, we're going to have limited research being done and I can't help but believe that's really what everybody wants in this, , you know, the pharmaceutical industry does not want this.

Necessarily to be researched by other people they do the research they want to do it and they want to come out with the you know, the drugs in advance of other people doing it. Um, anyway, I don't want to get too cynical about that but it's , it's a mess. So let's plug two websites before we pull the plug on the interview.

The first is a hemp. Right H Hemp company, which one is it? Yeah. H Hemp they can find it through H Hemp company as well. But that's , that's the consumer products that are sponsoring your show and what many of your I think listeners have tried and really enjoyed and I know [01:35:00] that H Hemp enjoys the partnership that they formed with you guys.

And then of course if you are a I'm thinking of you James if you're listening to the show, I know that you just launched your dessert product. , how far ahead of the curve would you be if you included CBD component in your Kettle desserts because a lot of people eat ketogenic because of the , the reduction in inflammation,  pain relief, , and so on and CBD could only enhance that so if you are listening to the show today or the podcast James you ought to reach out to Stillwater and see if you can start talkin about developing some sort of dessert that actually helps people,  be healthier and any of you out there who maybe you're thinking wow, I've always wanted to be in the supplement business.

Here's a chance, you know, get in touch with its fill water, right? Yep, and Stillwater ingredients [01:36:00] that will get you to the same place, but the ingredients businesses is still water ingredients. That's the easiest way for them to find out about that. I love it. I love it. I think you're doing great stuff Ash.

I really think you know from a from a standpoint of being kind of thrown in this because of your own, , tragic situation. , you're going to have a great impact on a lot of people's lives and I commend you for that. Thank you. I hope to do that. That's , that's what makes this fun. Okay, you take care.

Okay. Thank you Carl you as well. Thank you everyone for listening. I and then , of course, , thanks to Ken O'Neal keep an eye out for his new website will be moving the  trans evolutionary Fitness podcast over  that I helped him produce for the past year and then of course, , check out Metagenics products.

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