[00:00:00] Hey, hey, welcome back to another episode of supremum radio. We have a show that I'm really excited about today. First of all during the first half hour. How many joined by my co-host? Dr. Jeff Golini? We're going to talk about an interesting phenomenon. That was just published in the study that shows that obese people do not respond to resistance training with a protein synthetic response similar to that of lean people and we're going to postulate on why that may be so that's going to be a good discussion and then later in the show.

We're going to be joined by dr. Frank liner. , and he is , a professor of air quality. He's actually an air quality specialist at the great land grant University of University of California Davis. And , [00:01:00] he's going to reveal to us the real impact raising cattle. Is having on climate change and greenhouse gases.

, so that's going to be a fascinating discussion. I've got lots of questions later on. Of course, we have to acknowledge our title sponsor. And that is all American pharmaceutical and EFX sports right now. You get six of their top-selling products absolutely free by going to super human radioed and clicking one of the many EFX banner ads entering your address and paying five dollars and change for shipping because dr.

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This is science for humans with dr. [00:02:00] Jeff Golini. Dr. J. Don't take away my beef man. I know right I know but you know what it is and I gotta be honest with this. You know, I don't think dr. Has  a dog in the fight about be feeding. He's a he's a he's an air quality specialist. So he does and believe me if raising cattle destroyed air quality, he'd be the first person to say we got to stop doing this.

Yeah, I'll be interested in listen that one it's going to be good.  and , today's discussion between you and I is also fascinating and actually so , Nick bird over at the , University of Illinois in Champaign. Was on my show back in 2008 when he was a doctoral student. He hadn't received his Doctorate yet.

And he was not a professor talkingg about protein synthetic responses of different types of protein products, and he [00:03:00] led this team there at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign and they looked at what happens to an obese person. When they do resistance training do they see the same muscle growth that lean people do because we know that obese people not only have a lot of body fat, but they also have a lot of muscle to it was a fascinating study wasn't it?

It was and this is interesting, you know how , again bodybuilders are the ones who are in tune the most with their bodies have any sport. I think you can agree with that. Absolutely. So years ago when I went out to California, I was you know, I look like a powerlifter going out there, you know compared to California bodybuilders.

I was fat. I got to meet Samir be nude. And the first thing he said to me is you're too fat. I'm like well, thank you know you [00:04:00] too fast. You're not going to build muscle with all that fat. You need to be leaner year-round and. He was right. And here we go study, you know and is it that when I have to carry this dialogue a little bit further.

It's true bodybuilders understand how to make changes to their body with the greatest results with the least amount of effort. And the reality is it's been this way. Since when are McFadden nobody pays attention to body builders, but then they discover the things that we've been doing for decades actually work and they find out in studies like this, isn't it something it is and even less than it's a gym guy came up to me that I've known and he's like, I gotta ask you how old are you so, you know, we discuss my age and he's like.

Man, you always stay in good shape. I said well, yeah, I [00:05:00] mean I'm a bodybuilder, you know, I don't have to compete to work on my body. You know, I mean, it's just part of what you know, , you learn as an athlete, you know, too many times. Look at all these athletes of different sports when they retire their obese, you know, I mean, That you know that my goodness, how could you be and that's when they get sick too?

Isn't it? Funny the bodybuilders who continue to train seem to do well and the body builders will give it up completely and sink into normal quote-unquote normal life. They all develop our problem everything else. Yeah and same with you know, all these basketball players who are overweight but you know, this was a very interesting study, , because these were things that I knew.

But I never really had any scientific proof on why Having excess amounts of body fat. , [00:06:00] you had trouble building muscle or why are you tired? You know, why can't you sleep I mean all the normal things that you know when you exercise you feel better. So this really answered a lot of questions and it's so the way they designed the study was they had them do single leg resistance exercises leg extensions, but they love leg extensions and the quadricep for biopsies.

, these individuals perform four sets of ten to twelve repetitions with one leg and the other leg they did nothing and they had a group of lean people and a group of fat people. And since this is science. I'm going to say fat instead of obese sure and so they then gave them a post-workout meal of 170 grams of lean ground pork.

Which was about 37 grams of high quality protein about 4 grams of fat and then they collected additional muscle biopsies. So it [00:07:00] did before and after muscle biopsy and both the inactive and the work the trained leg at 122 hours and 300 minutes, , almost three hours, right? So I'm sorry,  two hours of almost four hours and so actually it was 3 hours.

And so what they found out was that the lien people. Saw the same and expected protein that synthetic response to exercise that they had seen in previous studies and they expected but the obese people did not they did not see the same type of protein synthetic response after training and eating the same exact meal and then they looked at the non-working leg.

And realize that the non-working leg and the working late. They had the same exact protein synthetic response to the two exits exercise plus the meal which means that exercise did nothing to stimulate a great approaching synthetic response in the in the lean individuals. They saw a higher [00:08:00] protein synthetic response in the train leg then in the non-trained leg which date which is what they expected and they said to themselves.

Wow. This is amazing fat people don't respond to protein synthetic responsive exercise. Yeah, and the other thing that was interesting if you saw down at the , the start they measured the insulin concentration found that the fat people were treated three times. I like how they had three times higher at the Baseline which they concluded was a whole body insulin resistance.

I mean gosh you wonder why you know. Diabetes and all of the things that arise from being overweight now you want to hear my , my theory my hypothesis on this, please. So I always told people that fat it's like a sponge, you know, and I always like to equate it to car look at a car battery, , where you get that corrosion build up around [00:09:00] the terminal that represents fat the current is still there just like here the protein was there.

But it wasn't going to where it should be. , so fat really hinders, you know, we know that fat absorbs vitamins and minerals and nutrients. , that should be going to the muscle your heart your brain and instead it's stored in body fat body fat is is our Reserve, you know, any excess, you know, our body likes to hang on to but that is like a sponge it just kind of soaks it up.

So I think it was really blocking. These aminos basically from getting to where they should have been going to the muscle. Well, we also know that insulin is highly anabolic that bodybuilders are literally use insulin post-workout to get a greater protein synthetic response from the training.

So think about this for a second and I love analogy just like you when [00:10:00] you use when you work in use go to a concert and you sat up close to the speaker the normal sound. Of someone talking now you can hear them anymore because your new reference points. Is that loud music. Well if your body.

He's producing such high levels of insulin and the insulin isn't getting in any way. We know that their insulin resistant then it makes perfect sense that you're not going to see the power of the post workout meal using insulin to shuttle nutrients into the muscle because your insulin is so high all the time that that little post-workout not doing anything.

It's not doing and we got to remember that protein comes from a variety of sources when your body breaks it down into amino acid. It doesn't matter right on there's no difference. It's now amino acids that I don't care if the[00:11:00] leucine from dairy and leucine from beef is just leucine.

Right it is the trick is you know, what else is in that source, which takes it longer for your body to break down and some of it will get washed out. But I wanted to just again say that amino acids are the building blocks of muscle you want to build muscle. You've got to get aminos to those muscles and people forget.

They just think of the outward all of the internal organs like your heart is a muscle. You've got to feed it. You got to feel it. You wonder why you have so much heart disease being obese, you know feeding your heart, you know, it has to function properly. Well, there's another aspect to this that is relatively  new on the discussion of protein synthetic response, and we did a show last year.

What the scientist that showed the different protein [00:12:00] synthetic responses to resistance training based on Baseline autophagy is the metabolic waste management cellular waste management system and autophagy increases during fasting or periods of not eating it drops when you are eating its influence by insulin.

And so we know that in order to build muscle now. That there has to be some otology there has to be some metabolic clean up after the damage before the body goes in and synthesizes new protein and I bet you that if they looked at the levels of autophagy and obese people versus lean people, they'll find out that there's very little going on and that could be another thing influencing the protein synthetic response post workout, but see we don't want to do these kind of studies.

Right, right. We don't have anything. You don't already know. We don't yeah, but we don't want to as you know, universities and drug companies. We don't [00:13:00] want people to know that if you just lose weight, you know. You would be healthier. So that's why you don't see a lot of this stuff. And when you do, you know, this is the stuff that kind of gets buried, you know, and no one's going to talk about because number one.

They don't want you to know number two. Unfortunately, most people who are overweight don't care. Yeah, you know, I mean if an athlete and you have a lot of body fat and you hear this, you should run out and get yourself a stationary bike. I mean, I can't tell you how many young people I help with their bulking stage and they just want to gain all kind of weight and I say no.

No, you do cardio Oh, no, you're gonna burn muscle. No, you're not going to build muscle. You got a whole bunch of fat and here [00:14:00] scientific proof that. Is why it's not happening. You know what I want to take a break and when we come back I want to talk about something that someone told me 22 years ago, and I didn't take it seriously, but now I think I really did myself a great disservice stay tuned.

We'll be right back with more signs for humans.

Welcome back to signs for humans were talking about a study that was published at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign by. Professor Nicholas Birds group that shows that , the response to exercise is blunted in obese people. They just don't build muscle the same way lean people do which is got to be discouraging  to a fat person who wants to change their body, but I keep thinking about something that my friend Jeff said to me 22 years ago when I first started to.

Train, he owned the Powerhouse Gym here [00:15:00] in town was still friends and back then he said to me lose the fat first and then worry about putting on muscle and he said it to be numerous times, but I was impatient. I know no I can build muscle and lose fat at the same time. I probably did myself a great disservice by and probably took me longer in the long run.

Yeah, you know, it's I saw last night at the gym. There was a couple when I say obese they were obese. Now first of all, I'm so happy. They're in the gym, but I was there probably an hour and a half with cardio and weights and stuff. I saw him come in. They went right to the leg extensions. They did leg extensions.

They did a couple tricep things probably 20 minutes and they left. And I thought that absolutely did nothing for them. You know, they needed to [00:16:00] be over in the cardio section, you know getting that body fat down so. Again, you know people get discouraged because they can't make any gains. Well, here's why you know again you got to get the fat down and there is a way to do both at the same time, but you got to be more skilled at it.

So if you are overweight start with treadmill walk in and get on a meal plan get your weight your body fat down before you go trying to build muscle because you'll save a lot of time and you probably won't get hurt and the truth is it's die. It is it's a hundred percent diet here because yep diet builds muscle.

Okay, when you train and you're able to build muscle and diet is what makes you lose body fat, you know, the exercise is good. The exercise is good for cardio metabolic adaptations, but the reality [00:17:00] is it's what you put in your mouth that's going to help you lose body fat. Yeah, and if user having issues with how to go about that, I got a book called building a lean mean muscle machine.

I'm just thinking  Barnes & Noble has it EFX Sports if you don't want to pay $4.99 and you want it for free. Email me. I'll send you an ebook for free but it helps you get on the right track, you know, it shows you some different meal plans depending on if you want to gain weight lose weight and it gives you some cardio suggestions.

So again, it may help some of you get on the right track an activity is key. Being active a lot. You know what I mean sitting less moving more and diet combined. So where's the email address that you want them to send it to if they want they can send [00:18:00] it to , dr. J drj at am. TH or super human radio and , you can just email directly to the show and it'll come to me.

Yeah. Okay. So two ways to get it to through the show when you load the page the top left-hand corner is his beautiful face and it says ask the scientist click that and fill out the form and tell me you want the book or send it to on air at super human radio. That's it. There you go lose the weight first you'll get you'll have better results.

There's no doubt about it. I mean, it's just amazing and now science has proven. It's something that we've known all along. And learn how to you know, keep your body weight in check. Don't be like a yo-yo because that is very dangerous. So don't just run out now and go on a diet and then gain it all back.

[00:19:00] I mean learn how to have a higher quality of life and to control your exercise in your you're eating program guarantee. You'll live longer. So, , Let's talk about a couple of things. First of all, I am shocked to hear that you have not had one single goal ticket winner yet on the on the , the giveaway with Karbolyn.

They are out there about half of them have been shipped now and we had , approximately between the two sides 10,000 bottles about 5,000 out there. Now, you know, they could be on store shelves a lot of times people think oh. You know, I'll never get one but I'm telling you right now. I haven't had one redeemed unless somebody didn't see it.

But I don't know how you can't see this big old literally gold ticket in a food-grade bag inside the bottle. Oh, yeah, really get out of there $5,000 [00:20:00] still out there yet to be redeemed unless somebody bought two bottles and they just haven't opened it yet. It's on their shelf how isn't that funny if it's on their shelf and they got $1,000 in they don't even know.

Sitting there and they were going to start and of course you can go to EFX Sports to get a free bottle because this giveaway is absolutely free. You don't have to buy one. That's kind of a bonus. So I've got some 333 gram ones that if you just follow the contest rules, , you can grab one of those for free and again random golden tickets between the small and the big bottles.

Okay, and also you're going to be at the Olympia. I will be in Las Vegas. I believe it's  somewhere around September 13th at weekend,  in the EFX Sports Booth. So if you are from that area, you're coming to [00:21:00] the Mr. Olympia trade show. I'd love to come see you. , shake your hand being honored to take a picture with you.

That's cool. And you did stay lean all the time how you didn't you didn't go into a bulk season where you just hate like an animal, right? On early on I did because I didn't know what I was doing. And when the new told me I was too fat. I actually went on a contest diet not really knowing what a contest diet was and I actually had to learn to eat more food in the offseason.

, but I tried to keep my body fat down especially, , when I got to the point where people wanted me to make appearances or just posing because back then.  people didn't promote shows as a whole, , long time in advance that was usually eight to 12 weeks. They were picking their guest [00:22:00] poser.

So somebody called you at eight weeks and said, hey, can you come guess pose? And you know, you didn't want to turn it down. So you had to be relatively close now that wasn't contest shape, but it was you know where I was respectable to take my shirt off and to  post before people, you know, yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah, so, theoretically you always eight weeks away from getting into contest shape if you had. I was I was and even now that's why I'm a big advocate for cardio. You know, we've seen some new studies showing that cardio builds better muscle than weight training and such but again, you know stay leaner, you know body fat hinders you it hinders your brain your creativity.

Obviously, it hinders putting on muscle hinder sleeping and it leads to a whole lot of ailments. So it's not that difficult to keep your body fat [00:23:00] down. Now you're right. You can and you could be like me. I love to eat. I'm Italian and even though I'm gluten-free, , I still eat pastas and you know pizzas and all that stuff.

I love food, you know, and I love carbohydrates and I eat carbohydrates, you know, that's what works for me. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. So go see dr. Jay. Do you know what Booth you're out yet, or you don't know? I don't know what the number is but , it's a pretty good-sized Booth so you can't miss it.

, the convention center is pretty big. But you know, if you go to the show most people they walk around. Anyhow, I don't think any I don't even think they got numbers and if they do they're so hard. You can't tell I can't find them anywhere, right? So just look for the FX Sports and  there I will be for [00:24:00] the entire two days and tell them you listen to him on science for humans and he'll take a picture with you.

How about that? Oh God, man, you say that I'll probably hook you up with something. I got the booth. I'm gonna have some Shaker cups and  few little miscellaneous things. I'll be , I'll be giving away. How about some autographed books? You got to bring any books with you. You know, I'm not I'm gonna bring a few but there's not a lot of room with all the stuff going on in the booth this year where you know, I need a table.

Yeah. , So unfortunately, I'll have a few but  not not a whole lot. Okay, but definitely he'll hook you up with something. So check them out. Yep. Love I brother good discussion and the bottom line and stay lean and build more muscle. There you go. How about [00:25:00] that? There you go. All right next week.

All right. So we're gonna take one quick commercial break. We'll be right back with more super human radio later in the show going to have dr. Frank on and we're going to talk about the realities of what kind of greenhouse gases. Raising cattle is actually producing vegans. Hold on to your hats.

Welcome back. We have a little time to kill before. Dr. Professor document. I think it's loner. I'll ask him on the air. I'm sure I'm butchering with names, but I do have something I want to talk about. So first of all, I leave tomorrow morning for Los Angeles. I'm flying out to LA to be on two podcasts in person.

One of them is a YouTube show hosted by Tom bill you he was the president of Quest Nutrition and really was the at the helm of Quest Nutrition when they turned into a 500 [00:26:00] million dollar a year company in like five years so he has been attributed with. Doing some amazing things with the startup taking it from zero to six thousand miles an hour and he knows a little something about something and he has a very popular podcast called.

, Health Theory every Everybody probably knows his other show which focuses more on success and how to obtain it. But he started a new podcast at doing very well called healthier e , and it is , a flip of his impact Theory show which is the pop really popular one the one he started with healthier invites guests on.

Who he feels know something about health and he actually asked me to be on the show. We'll quite a long time ago last end of last year, but I had the foot surgery in March and other travel engagement set up and so I'm finally going to be [00:27:00] on this weekend. At well Friday. I don't know if it's a live show or then it gets edited and posted later.

I'll let you know as soon as I know if you're on my Facebook chain, I will probably message people from out there. And so I'm going to be doing that show and hopefully I'll bring something worthwhile to the discussion and then also since I'm out there. Kirkland set up an opportunity for me to be on the Jason for a Gia podcast.

And so Friday, I'm doing both of those shows and then Saturday. I'm just going to hang out in Los Angeles and my son. Chase is going to drive up from San Diego and come see me and I'm going to be hanging out with Ron and Shannon Penna and some of the other people that I'm close with out there flying home on Sunday.

So that's what's going on starting tomorrow. [00:28:00] So obviously there won't be a show on Thursday because I'll be on my way out to Los Angeles and , I'm taping that show, you know, I'm a little nervous to be honest with you because. Thomas had some amazing people on his impact Theory show and on his health Theory show as well.

And a lot of them are kind of like Specialists and really,  gurus of sorts and I'm just this guy who does this show I've been doing it for 13 years granted, but I I'm just the guy who does the show. And it's funny because , I I have some things that I want to do in my life and the time to start doing them as soon because I'm getting older but there's a couple obstacles that stand in my way.

And one of them is the fact that everything that I think I want to do. I need some [00:29:00] sort of doctor to do it with me because. Well, let's face it who's going to take me seriously, right? I know I've helped a lot of people. I know I've helped a lot of people individually. I take phone calls from people every single day who having health problems and I don't want to toot my own horn, but I've helped a lot of them and this is their opinion not mine.

But if you're not a doctor, you know, who are you? You're just some guy and why should we listen to you? So. I think I'm going to pursue getting a certificate as a naturopathic doctor not because I want to practice naturopathic medicine quite frankly. This may sound pompous but I think I know all the things I need to know to do what I want to do.

But the problem is that I'd have to I'd have to align myself with the doctor [00:30:00] in order to be taken seriously and you know at Lisa keeps telling me why don't you just go get a degree as an ND because an ND can do all the things you want to do. So I'm thinking very seriously in 2009 enrolling in some sort of a.

Online course or if they have one here in my hometown that I can attend. I think I'm going to , pursue getting an ND and it sounds silly right? I I've been that Rebel who's been saying all along like I don't need to be a doctor to know. These answers right? I just need to do the work read the work understand the work to do it.

I don't need someone to say. Oh, you're a doctor. So I should believe you because there are a lot of really really bad doctors out there like horrible doctors and they hurt people every single day, but they [00:31:00] have that those letters after their name. And so there's something magical about them.

You know, like oh, well, you're a doctor. You must know. No just because have those letters doesn't mean they know me on the other hand. I feel like I have the answers to a lot of things. And a couple things that I really think I want to do that. I know I can do well and help a lot of people but no one's going to take me seriously unless I have some letters after my name.

So I'm seriously thinking about getting the ND if you have an opinion. Message me on Facebook post something on my Facebook wall or send me something,  your opinion on air at Super if you think that it's a good idea. Do you think it would enhance my profile the gravity of my opinion if I had two letters nd4 naturopathic doctor after my [00:32:00] name because you know, I can do the work I can get through school.

. And that's not the problem and I have the time let's be honest. I can make the time let's put it that way. So that's what I'm thinking about and actually a phone call. I got from a guy yesterday who's having some real problems with this health and he's a he's doing everything right and that's the odd thing like he's doing everything right and he's like, well, why do I feel this way?

Why do I have this problem? Why do I have these symptoms and in just a few minutes on the phone? We kind of zeroed in on a couple things. And , he messaged me and said you're not going to believe this maybe it's Placebo and it probably is to a certain degrees. You know, I'm doing some of the things that you mentioned and I'm starting to [00:33:00] feel better already and a lot of it is Placebo.

I'm not I'm not saying it's not but the point being is. I understand a lot of this stuff because I literally been in school for 13 years sitting behind this microphone talking to some of the most brilliant scientists in the world has endowed me with a vast amount of knowledge. It's almost like , I'm a gateway to information.

It's not like I do anything-- it's not like I come up with anything on my own but somebody starts talking about something like, oh I did an interview couple years ago. And here's what they found out and I guess , Being somebody who has all that information in one head and one brain there is there is definitely a value to because I really am multi-disciplined.

I it's not like I specialize in one area. I can see where areas and things overlap. I've done [00:34:00] it on the show. You've heard me, you know suggest things to scientists when they were like, wow, that's interesting. We should look into. And it's because I'm not stuck in one discipline. I'm like really at the 30,000 foot view of everything and I can see where the dots overlap and where this guy and that gal who assigns us working on individual things actually have some common ground that they could cross over into so I am thinking about getting the ND.

That's that also I message. Dr. Kenneth Brown. After doing a show,  with dr. Rao about , lactic acidosis and I asked him if a could help with this and he said he's pretty sure that it can that could actually kill those lactic acid bacteria in the in the small intestine over some time and he's doing some deeper digging.

To see , what specifically it's doing to the lactic acid producing [00:35:00] bacteria and we'll do a follow-up show because I've gotten messages from people who said thank you so much for doing that show. This makes so much sense. I've impounding down the probiotics I wake up with brain fog. I have all these weird symptoms.

And now it's starting to make sense to me. They all started when I started taking mad amounts of probiotics and this is me too. I got to be honest with you. I was telling people that when we came home from Alaska my symptoms were worse so much worse. I couldn't figure it out. Well, guess what?

I took two boxes of VSL#3 with me because I was so sure that it would protect me from getting sick and the communal space that is a cruise ship. Everybody makes everybody else sick that I was taking 900 billion CF use a day to quote-unquote protect myself and boost my [00:36:00] immune system and all I did was increase the lactic acid bacteria living in my small intestine and it's this is why I know that I have some of the problems I have today now.

It's a matter of killing them off and it's a matter of killing them off without destroying other.  other healthy microbes. In fact, I've found a antibiotic will talk about it on another show. There's an antibiotic out there that does not get distributed systemically, it literally lives inside the gut and is excreted in your poop and it doesn't go anywhere else.

It only affects microbes in your stomach and your in your small and large intestine. The goal is to get it to a low enough dose. Where it pretty much is metabolized by the time it gets to the large intestine and the colon so it doesn't disrupt those microbes and I'm hoping to come up with [00:37:00] a protocol along with another physician,  to do that because this could be the answer to everybody who has SIBO.

They would just take this probiotic this antibiotic. It wouldn't affect anything else in their body. It would only affect their stomach and the small intestine and would be gone by the time it gets to the large intestine. So it's just going to eradicate the microbes that are in the small intestine that shouldn't be there anyway, so it's not like we got to be selective in what we destroy in the small.

No, we just got to get all the microbes out of the small intestine. So I'm very excited about that. , I'm also very excited about the fact that I found some ways to mitigate the  brain fog for those people who are suffering from I have to take a break and when we come back I want to talk about that [00:38:00] because this is something you can start doing today.

, if you're somebody who suffers from small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, you are bloated and gassy. , you have a distended stomach and you wake up in the morning with complete brain fog like you got to wait a couple hours to get moving because you can't think straight you feel like this cotton in your head.

I have a way that you could actually get rid of that like by tomorrow stay tuned. We'll be right back.

So here's what I discovered if you wake up with brain fog if you are bloated and gassy if you suspect that you have some degree of small intestinal bacterial overgrowth whether you notice that your stomach gets poochy and Bloated pretty easily. , If you wake up in the morning burping and you haven't eaten anything in 812 hours.

Yeah, you probably do and so here's what I discovered [00:39:00] Works immediately. It will change your wake up in the morning and you won't feel foggy. The first thing is get yourself. , A good full spectrum enzyme that includes hydrochloric acid like 18 hydrochloride plus amylase protease and lipase so that you can take that in between meals not with your meals.

In between meals just start out with one tablet. If a serving that you're supposed to take with a meal is one tablet just take one tablet. So here's what you'll first notice when you start taking. So the first thing you'll notice is that you normally burp a lot even well after the meal is gone and that's because there's still undigested food in your stomach.

As well as the fact that there's gas coming up from the , resistant fiber that is in your meal that is now being fermented in the small intestine close to the stomach as opposed [00:40:00] to where it's normally fermented in the large intestine close to the anus. By taking the enzyme in between meals will lower the pH of the stomach but a lot of that gets into the small intestine.

It actually digests a lot of the undigested food number 1, which is the same theory that  taking baking soda before a meal half hour before meal works on.  with the autoimmune study that we did right just raising just increasing the acidity of the stomach lowering the pH of the stomach digesting the undigested food and also having that acid travel down into the small intestine without.

The burden of food along with it so that that acid could actually start to destroy those by bacteria that have been inhabiting number one, so in between meals. Using a full-spectrum enzyme and not Eric Lee coded. This is just a regular enzyme that you would take with food, [00:41:00] but taking it in between meals and making sure that it has both 18 hydrochloride in both all of hydrochloride, , amylase,  lipase and protease enzymes in it.

Number one number two get the to a sauna. And do more cardio why because lactic acid readily comes out in sweat. There's so many good studies on this done back in the 80s and 90s that show that that the body literally sweats out lactic acid through the pores. So the more you sweat the less lactic acid that's in your body.

The less active acid lactic acid that can act on your brain and other things that it's doing it's doing a lot of horrible things by the way, but the brain you feel first thing in the morning having a good sweat late in the evening. Before going to bed or any time during the day. I mean I do it post-workout and I've been [00:42:00] doing it for a long time now and I can tell you that the days that I don't get in the sauna I wake up with brain fog the next morning the days I get in the sauna.

I am lowering my lactic acid load on my body and I wake up in the morning and I feel so much friggin better and I am going to be working on actually getting in the sauna a second time because I have a sauna at home luckily. Later in the evening. Not right before bed. I don't sleep as good when I raise my body temperature that much before bed.

But maybe sometime around dinner time or thereafter. Just getting in for 20 or 30 minutes and breaking a good sweat. You could do the same thing by taking a walk and wrapping up and clothes or anything that makes you sweat will immediately and acutely lower the lactic [00:43:00] acid in your body. And the less lactic acid you have circulating the less brain fog you'll wake up with in the morning.

So those two things right there can alleviate , the burden of the high lactic acid that's being produced in your small intestine while we work on other ways to finally and forever eradicate the microbes that have been taken up inside your small intestine where they don't belong now. I'm going to be adding a back into the mix.

I have been taking it lately, but I just ordered some more. I'm waiting for dr. Kenneth Brown to get back to me on this but I have a funny feeling that taking a between meals also, so the way they want you to take a trans he'll usually is before a meal so that when you eat the food. You don't get bloated.

I have a strange feeling that you take it in between [00:44:00] meals the same logic that I'm using with the , with the enzymes takes effect and the will go after and destroy those microbes because it's not burdened by carrying food along with it. But that one I don't have the answers to yet. So just hold on to that little bit absolutely the enzymes in between meals and of course.

 Sweat, sweat, sweat, whether it's doing cardio exercising, but absolutely if you can get to a sauna nothing makes you break a sweat like a sauna you said this on it for 30 minutes and you will Leach out so much lactic acid that's in your body and I predict that. The more often you do it you'll start to see that you'll start feeling better.

Not just waking up without brain fog but you'll start feeling better just overall feeling better. So give those a try and report back to me at on [00:45:00] are at super human radio and let me know if any of those are working for you. If you are absolutely suffering from brain fog in the morning and you know that you have small intestinal bacterial overgrowth because you burp all the time and when you eat carbs and.

Starchy carbs and fiber make you feel horrible. They bloat you. , these are all signs of SIBO because those fibers aren't supposed to be fermented until they get into the colon into the large intestine the fact that they're bloating you means that they're being fermented in the small intestine and that's because there are microbes up there that don't belong there.

We're gonna take a quick commercial break when we come back. We're going to have dr. Frank. But loner on and he's going to tell us from the scientific standpoint what damage raising cattle is doing to this planet stay tuned. We'll be right [00:46:00] back

if you eat beef you are not a popular person today so many reasons but one that keeps being echoed. By every mainstream platform is that raising cows is destroying the planet. They cite the  greenhouse gas footprint that surrounds raising beef cattle from everything from the cows flatulence right to the feeds that they feed them.

We need to eradicate raising cattle. That's what we're here. And in fact, In 2003, I think it was , they started this whole meatless Monday thing and everybody talked about meatless Monday and all, you know, you're doing the planet a favor by not eating meat on Monday, , Is it really true? I mean can't science figure out what cows are doing.

We hear this all the time, but we never hear real numbers and even when you search and look at some of the numbers you find out that they're not substantiate with anything. They're actually [00:47:00] fabricated. Well, Dr. Frank met loner who is in air quality specialist with the great land grant University,  University of California at Davis is joining us today.

Welcome to the show. Dr. Mitloehner. Thank you so much. And , I have to ask you first. Why did you even look at this? This is first of all, it's a lightning rod and number two no matter how it shakes out. Someone's going to be mad at yet. You know? Yeah. Well that's , that's not a consideration. So,  people being mad at me, you know, that's not my consideration.

I'm an air quality specialist and I'm specialized in the impact animal agriculture has on the atmospheric environment. And so,  what I oftentimes here is. To making claims and in most cases I find them unsubstantiated and so my role is to at science to these discussions. Okay. So when did you start to look [00:48:00] at the impact of raising cattle on air quality in 1997, but in 2002 as a faculty member here at UC Davis?

Okay, and so when you started to look What statistic what numbers were out there, what information was out there that you could look at and say wow, you know, this is the impact cattle is having on greenhouse gases. So this is actually a long story it started back in 2000 and I think it was six, , when the FAO the food and agriculture organization of the United Nations put out a publication called livestock's long shadow in which they said that livestock globally produces 18% one eighteen percent of all greenhouse gases, and then they added by saying and that's more than the global Transportation sector.

So if you really think about what that means that means. Cows and pigs and sheep and chicken produces more greenhouse gases leading to global warming [00:49:00] than all costs trucks trains planes ships in the world combined I , investigated that claim and found it to be untrue and that published a period paper and the authors of the FAO paper,  agreed with my criticism and , some of that was taken back namely the comparison of livestock to Transportation.

However, the people who liked that comparison so much will not let go of it. Though the authors have withdrawn it. So, , if you are interested in global greenhouse gas emissions from livestock the FAO will tell you today that globally livestock contributes to 14.5 percent of all greenhouse gases.

Again, that's a global number. But if you're interested in more U.S. Centric numbers than the EPA the Environmental Protection Agency will tell you all of livestock combined. Picks and cows and sheep and chicken and so on combined will contribute to a total of three point nine percent of all greenhouse [00:50:00] gases.

So less than 4% to give you a reference number Transportation contributes to 27 percent energy production and use 31% Wow, I mean that's staggering. So you're saying the USDA themselves agrees that it's just three point nine percent that it's contributing. The EPA the environmental I'm sorry EPA the EPA.

I'm sorry. So this is from them and you would think that they would be the most critical and they only say 3% Yes. These are the official emission inventory numbers for the United States. That's a 3.9 percent of all livestock or sorry 3.0 3.9 percent of all we know is gases come from all of livestock.

And that's the official number in the emission inventory of the United States today. Now you published a white paper called livestock's contribution to climate change facts and fiction and that that when did you publish that paper? I want to say maybe two years ago. Okay, two [00:51:00] years or last year maybe and the findings of that paper if you could summarize for us, what were the findings of that paper?

Well, Would I have the hardest time with is that people take this Global 18% number that the FAO came up with and they all fish in their original livestock's long Shadow number report and they take that 18% number and the comparison of livestock to transportation to further their cause here in the United States.

They tell the millennial kids that I teach in my classroom. That if they choose to eat a burger, then that has a greater impact than what they drive how they get from A to B and that is false and it leads us on wrong path to Solutions because we need Solutions because this whole issue of climate change is pressing the main reason for human contributions to.

Is the use of fossil fuel and most [00:52:00] everybody knows that unless they don't want to and  instead they are deflecting the criticism to enter anthropogenic greenhouse gases from the main culprit, which is fossil fuel to Livestock in many cases because that lives up to their lifestyle choices, which in many cases are vegan.

That's what I'm contesting and that and that's an important distinction right now. So. What we're combating is we're combating the findings of science versus the visceral emotional reactions of a group of people who have  an unexplained.  hatred of eating meat whether they feel that it's mean to animals or , you know, whatever group that they belong to but meanwhile the science shows that they're wrong.

So why isn't the mainstream media? Picking up on science. Why are they Fanning the Flames of the zealots who are clearly wrong, , and trying to have a change the way people eat forever. [00:53:00] Well, I mean,  you using some strong words there.  now there are people with different motivations.

Okay. , there's not one group with one story line. There are many different groups. Some of them are Animal Welfare some of the animal rights groups. Some of them are business people who want to further their personal. , the personal business for example plant based alternatives to meet.

, then there are.  others who have ethical objections to the way we produce livestock, , they all have different reasons, but they use a similar tool. They use that environmental tool that environmental argument, , and this old comparison of livestock to transportation to. Half people divorce themselves from the consumption of livestock products and I think it's dishonest and I think that people should really be made aware of it.

And that's my cause I will make people aware of it and I will bring my [00:54:00] message not just to people like you and your listeners but also to the National academies and to the FAO and Rome and to others because I think what is at stake here is how we feed a growing Global demand. For protein without depleting natural resources, that's one and how can we reduce greenhouse gas emissions leading to climate change,  by addressing those sources that are majorly responsible.

Yeah, I get it because if we're focused on this and it's not really having that kind of an impact and we're taking our sites off of fossil fuels and other things that are having an impact and so we're going to end up continuing to poison the planet now, excuse me, John Hopkins,  University Center for a livable future responded to your paper and they claimed that there was some things that were not.

Addressed properly. I want to just go through these and give [00:55:00] you an opportunity to respond to them. Okay, they claim that the livestock production in research is responsible for four point two percent of U.S. Greenhouse gases emissions this calculation fails to account for several major emission sources.

What sources did they claim that you fail to recognize? Well, first of all, they had never addressed that paper their rebuttal to me. I found it by total coincidence when I look for something else on the internet. So I think a proper way of addressing somebody and critiquing that person and all.

His or her writings is by personally addressing that person but that never happened. Well sure because they because they want to derail you in the in the in the courtroom of of popular, , appeal and opinion popular opinion. Exactly. Yeah. Well I had never seen that but when I did see that I , I thought , it's not worth while responding [00:56:00] because what they seem to be strong at is  is.

The pr piece of promoting meatless Monday and so forth right when you go through this testing list the Staffing list of people in the center for a livable future, you will find that they clearly have distinct strengths in certain areas and that is communication and PR and so on what you will also find is that they are particularly weak at people.

In the science Arena that do what I do, right and therefore I don't want to argue with the bunch of communications people or PR and marketing people. , if this is a scientific argument, I will I will have it but , if it's one that is just about rhetoric’s , then I will not have. Now the EPA does a assessment of all emission sources in the state in the states.

, and it does it by sector, it looks [00:57:00] at Transportation contributions. It looks at electric electricity contribution and power production and use it looks. Agricultural contributions and so forth and all of these different sectors of society are assessed using the same type of methodology. Okay.

So if you compare let's say transportation to livestock using the EPA approach, then you comparing Apples to Apples. What they might say, is that the EPA looks at direct emissions from all these sources, but in addition to direct emissions livestock also has indirect emissions meaning for example, if you grow crops to feed livestock also need to receive, , fertilizers pesticides and so on and that's true, but the indirect argument can also be made for all other sectors of society.

So the EPA is doing an apples-to-apples comparison and when you do that, you will find that beef contributes. If you are interested in beef to less than 2% of total greenhouse gases in this country. And [00:58:00] if you try to further their argument, if you believe their argument that one day Less meat a week is effective.

Then you take the total contribution of that livestock species you're interested in. And you reduce it by 1/7. That's one day a week in the case of bees. Let's say the EPA number were true. These were to contribute to approximately 2% of all greenhouse gases released in the United States and you now is 1/7 less of that week, which means one day or meatless Monday, then that would mean that you reduce the total carbon footprint.

If all 320 million Americans would stop eating beef one day a week. You would reuse the carbon footprint of our country by 0.3% Now is that nothing? It's not nothing. It's something but most reasonable people would say it's not very much at least not when you compare it to contributions that say of our transportation sector [00:59:00] making up 27% of one's carbon footprint.

Yeah, it's a strong argument. And also I want to address something and that's why I was asking this particular question those who take the moral High Ground about beef keep saying that well, we have to we have to all of these extrinsic contributors like growing corn and then they say, you know, all the corn goes to feeding cows and that's not true.

Is it? Well, that's just look at the numbers. So for example, Iowa is our number one corn producing state in the country.  today in Iowa, , approximately 50 percent approximately 50% of total corn production goes into ethanol for fuel another 10 to 12 percent goes into high fructose corn syrup.

And a total of 25 percent goes into livestock, but of the 25% 20 go into poultry and Swine feet and five percent and that's the total of Iowa corn production [01:00:00] 5% of Iowa Corn goes into feedlot beef rations. Five percent that's not so when people say well we grow this corn and all goes into be fractions that is really misleading the facts the vast majority of corn grown in States like Iowa or Nebraska the main corn growing states in the country the vast majority of that goes into your tank as fuel.

And into , you know cereals as - concert, , and  small minority of five percent goes into feed rations. Now, that's not to say that feedlot cattle for example don't receive additional,  byproducts such as distillers grains. But that's a good thing. That's not a bad thing because without ruminant lives of being able to utilize byproducts such as distillers grains, they would just be added to our landfills and I don't think anybody wants that right.

So without ruminant livestock, we could not make use of so many of [01:01:00] our products or byproducts cattle particularly ruminants in general, , upcyclers. They take inferior feedstuff by enlarge non-human edible. By and large non-human edible and they converted into higher value protein and that makes them totally unique compared to monogastric animals or , also most other items that food items that we consume.

I want to take a quick commercial break and when we come back I want to address ,  water consumption briefly and then we'll talk more about some of these John Hopkins,  claims because I want you to have an opportunity to clear. This up. I have very little faith in John Hopkins University's claims here because they have an agenda.

It's a clear agenda. And when you have an agenda, you will always ignore facts and science to stick to your agenda. Stay tuned. We'll be right back with more of supremum radio.

Welcome back. We're talking with dr. Frank. He [01:02:00] is a professor at UC Davis and his area of expertise interestingly enough. It's not agriculture folks. It's air quality and that really speaks to me because he's not fighting a war about agriculture. He's fighting a war on how to save the planet and promoting lies.

Doesn't work because you can see right through them. , one of the things that I actually wrote A Blog in 2016 because I kept seeing this number thrown around it was a number about how much water it takes to produce one pound of beef and why um, Raising beef is unsustainable just from the water consumption side.

And I you know, I'm not a scientist, but I just thought it looking around and I started I made a list of questions that I went to look for answers and I went to websites like Purdue's or UNC, , MSU, , explore beef and a variety of other websites [01:03:00] to get answers and what I came away realizing was.

That the number they were throwing around was a blatant lie. Number one. Number two, it takes more to raise an acre of soy and water consumption than it does to raise a whole cow but more importantly cows drink water that that we can't use for anything else. They drink streams and Lake water and you can't spray that on crops.

So talk about the water consumption that people like to  say is bad because we can't sustain ,  raising cattle because of the water consumption. So first you, , you stated that I'm an air quality specialist, that's true. But of course in and around agriculture, so I'm specialized in issues around animal Agriculture and , , you are right.

There are many,  data thrown around that. Depict the  role of livestock very negatively particularly in and around are [01:04:00] impacts water impacts greenhouse gas impact and so forth. There is no doubt. I have to tell you there's no doubt that animal protein will always have a greater environmental footprint than plant protein.

Let's say, , that's not what I'm contesting. , what I am disagreeing with is, , that people , makeup data use data that are highly misleading. For example on the water side, , those people those people I call the critics. , they say be consumes enormous amounts of water and they quote numbers of that are just astronomical and when you look into what they are really,  quoting, , then you find out that , That they are not differentiating between what source of water animals consume.

So let me explain there are different sources of water. There is Blue Water that coming out of your TAP. Then there is green water and that's rainfall and then there's gray water that's [01:05:00] recycled water coming from toilets and so on and obviously, , these different water sources have a very different  value with respect to.

You know how much we pay for it and so forth. , what those critics do is they count all water that goes into growing a pound of beef, but the rainwater that falls onto a range that falls onto the ranch and grows the crops the pasture that the animals eat would fall no matter what. Even if there weren't any cattle, it would still fall on that land and the grass growing there would still grow from it.

Now that we have livestock grazing there on this what we call marginal land now that we have livestock growing on that marginal and they consume the water through the crops that they eat and they grow protein now. Think about it this way about two-thirds of all agricultural land in this [01:06:00] country two-thirds of all agricultural land in this country is marginal and about less than one-third of the total agricultural land is arable land right the marginal the marginal land that really means you cannot grow crops on.

Only on the arable land you can grow crops on the two-thirds of agricultural land. That's marginal. You can only you can only use that Land by using it via livestock right ruminant livestock to be to be precise. And the reason why we can use it with ruminant livestock is because they can make use of inferior feed such as grass.

And they make protein from it if we weren't using it for ruminant livestock. We could not use it at all to grow crops to grow food. Excuse me. Okay. So the fact that that that livestock can eat cellulose,  and make it into protein is a miracle for me to me and it should be [01:07:00] for all of us, but also you could a family can live.

On a whole cow for a period of time we would end up with nutrient deficiencies if we tried to just eat soy every single day. There's a there's a you know, it's very unfortunate that the USDA hasn't really tested to see what else is in the muscle meat of beef. We know that there's a sort of acid in there.

We know this from the Vikings and the Chinese, , Navy where they raised cattle on these ships and the men ate beef and they never got scurvy. , we know that there are other things invested in the beef that actually allow you to sustain life and actually Thrive you can't do that. If all you ate was soy, why do they discount?

Why do they just throw that information out and ignore it? Well, well, I'm not the type who [01:08:00] would only be you know, I think it's really important to have a balanced diet. It's , no me too. Me, too. Yeah, me too. But , but , there are people who say we should totally divorce ourselves from consumption of animal protein and last year a paper came out published by Hall and White and that paper did an interesting exercise it compared.

Current omnivore diet of 320 million Americans to one in which all 320 million Americans would be vegan. So compared how our current diet versus a vegan diet would compare with respect to environmental footprint and with respect to nutritional value of these two different diets and what they found was very insightful what they found was that if all 320 million Americans were to stop eating livestock, then we would reduce the carbon footprint of our country by 2.6 percent.

See the total that would be the [01:09:00] total reduction of greenhouse gases without any Livestock in this country and what they also found even more interestingly was that if we were to stop eating animal products altogether, we would not be able to produce the new the nutrients the essential nutrients that we require as a.

We would not be able to maintain  a food supply for our nation without the use of animal agriculture. Now again, that was , White and Hall and the paper was in the proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences doesn't get any more prestigious than that, but they ignored anyway, what would you say to this claim from  John Hopkins?

That you focus on the greenhouse gas emissions and just and discuss resources views without acknowledging the other ecological and public health impacts of industrial animal agriculture. But this is about greenhouse gases that I don't understand why they even threw that in there. All [01:10:00] you're talking about is greenhouse gases.

Why would you bother  commenting about , these other extraneous impacts? Well, , I I don't really understand that comment. I have to tell you. , if you ask me about the carbon footprint of animal agriculture, then I answer  along those lines and if you want to discuss Animal Welfare, then I will talk to you about that.

If you are interested in the impact of animal agriculture on worker health and safety. That's a separate discussion all of them deal with sustainability as does food safety as does Financial. Ability and so on. Okay, so we have to be very clear and specific about what it is that we are discussing and whatever it might be in the Rome of sustainability.

I think I'm very comfortable of addressing it but the particular discussion around. Carbon footprint is one that complex enough and , if you want to muddy [01:11:00] muddy the waters with other topics. Well, then let's do it sequentially and not at the same time, right? You can address all of those you weren't addressing that in that paper that they were critiquing but yet they throw that in there because of the diversionary tactic.

To try to get people to go. Well, yeah, he didn't do that either but that wasn't what the discussion was about to begin with. So it doesn't matter, you know, there's no question animal agriculture. Like any sector of society has various impacts. Okay, there's just that clear. , but if you want to address them fairly, then you should do it,  step-by-step and not muddy the waters and some people just like to do that and.

I think in my opinion animal agriculture has progressed in unbelievable ways over the last 50 60 years. We have come along so much, , not just on the environmental [01:12:00] front but also with respect to Animal Welfare with respect to food safety with respect to all sustainability issues. That's not to say that we don't have construction sites.

Okay that everything is perfect. It's not perfect. But we have made huge progress. And I am a firm believer that those people who just trash agriculture for everything agriculture does is hurting the hands that feed us. We are so dependent on a workable agricultural industry in this country. These are the people that feed us and it's fewer than 2 million total people and 80% of those two million people do it on the side.

So how about instead of trashing those folks work with them and help improve and  modify those parts of our food supply chain that that requires some adjustment and maybe some improvements but let's not throw the baby out with the bath tub. Yeah, and you're being sensible, but when [01:13:00] people are emotionally triggered that they're not sensible at all.

And that's part of what we're fighting against here with logic. What about the , there's been a I did a show five years ago with a group that was , sending cattle to third world countries and you know instead of sending cornmeal. Sending cattle, , so that people could raise cows and use them as a source of protein.

But also, , there are working animals to you know, bison that can pull wagons and stuff it actually the research they did show that not only did , the families that were given cattle and taught to raise them become healthier, but they elevated an economic levels because they were able to use.

 their animals to pull tree stumps and things like that. They were actually able to make a living when we look at children on the evening TV shows begging for 35 cents [01:14:00] a day to feed them corn meal. They all have distended stomachs that distinction is from lack of protein. Why are we not being honest that with these people need to learn about animal husbandry and not being given a bag of powdered cornmeal.

Yeah, well, you know globally there are over a billion people working with animal agriculture over a billion and  livestock is  extremely important throughout the world still today. , the biggest challenge with respect to the global livestock sector is that in most parts of the world livestock is very inefficient.

Okay, our country is not one of those areas. But in many developing countries livestock is very inefficient. I'll give you an example careful here in the United States While most of them are corn finished they spent. About two-thirds of their lives on pasture the last four months. There are in a feedlot being fed a high [01:15:00] concentrate diet, but the vast majority there on pasture there upcycling cellulose into protein the last four months as I said on in a feedlot when they are around 14, 15, 16 months of age.

They go to slaughter. They appears in European countries. Go to slaughter when they are. Three years four years sometimes five years of age the appears in African countries. They go to slaughter when they fall over of old age. They are not kept. They're not kept in order to achieve a maximum amount of protein and a minimum amount of time.

We have achieved incredible efficiencies in this country another example. We have 9 million dairy cows in the United States today Bingo nine million. We have nine and a million nine and a half million horses with more horses in this country than dairy cows. And we came down from 25 million. So we went from 25 million to now 9 [01:16:00] million over the last 60 years, but we are producing 60 percent more milk with as much smaller.

Now. We are a model for the world. Stop trashing that model. This is the only way in my opinion. , the way of advancing efficiencies and animal agriculture is the only way that will be able to satisfy a drastically growing demand for animal protein worldwide in the years to come there is no alternative to it.

I was going to ask you about dairy cows that those who are shooting for. , you know elimination of raising animals for food, where do they stand on milking animals? Are we going to see that the next wave being? Hey, we need to way with milk too because we have absolutely so milk. We have soy milk now, right so we don't know real milk.

Well, I don't think that select eight so I would not [01:17:00] call it. So I mean, I know I would call it so juice but no sorry is so juice is actually something that can be a good. Nutritional alternative okay, if particularly if it's fortified but it does not have the same property as dairy milk. The other milk Alternatives certainly don't have even similar nutritional profiles as dairy milk does but back to your question.

Do you think that they are anti Dairy? Absolutely their anti-diarrhea? It's not just about meat it's about meat milk. It's about X. It's about anything from agriculture that from animal agriculture that. These people are refusing now keep one thing in mind. We keep talking about these people with these outlandish, ,  claims and  propositions and so on keep in mind that the vast majority of people in this country the vast majority 95% eat meat 95% eat milk.

There's only one percent that is within the [01:18:00] vegan,  community that refutes the use of any kind of animal protein 1% but they are so loud. They make so much noise, right? They keep tooting about this being a major movement, which it's not the more we talked about this being a major movement the more we speak them up and talk them up when indeed there are tiny little minority a fringe that  makes themselves look really.

By being very verbal very vocal right and the others. Too often all too often all too quiet. The people that produce our food, unfortunately the farmers who know the most about how we grow our food. Unfortunately are all too often not part of the conversation because they say we are private people.

We are conservative. We don't want to be in the Limelight and I understand that on the one end, but if they don't speak up then others will [01:19:00] and the PETA’s and HSUS and those folks they will speak up. Have you ever seen the movie Idiocracy doctor? Okay. I have not I recommend that you rented this weekend and watch it because what we are seeing in our population has prolifically been proposed,  in a dark comedy.

Called Idiocracy and when you watch it you realize how accurate that comedy is. We're going to take our last commercial break stay tuned. We'll be right back.

Welcome back to supremum radio. We are animal protein lovers here because we're not silly. , so doctor what should we be doing? , how do we get? How do we combat the vocal minority and the media and then misinformation and the zealots? What do we do? So I in my opinion? , we are we are in a situation where , we are many folks think that one needs to refute Andre, but all the stuff that [01:20:00] one here is day today.

, I don't think that's true. , if you look at the entire population of this country, you'll find that 95% make the food buying decisions based on price Patrician taste and brand. 4% make the buying decisions based on organic and local and so on and 1% are the extremists. Okay. These are those radicals that want us to disband and animal protein and they want me tax and they want propositions Outlaw and practices and so forth.

That's 1% That's 1% And that's what I call The Fringe and this Fringe is what we spend all of our effort and time. And we are wasting it because we will never convince them that their ways are wrong that they are not science-based white ride. I'm not wasting right. I'm not I'm not wasting my time with that one percent.

I am here to inform the 99% of people who care how [01:21:00] food is produced to produce it in the most sustainable way in the way. That's most nutritious safe and environmentally benign as much as possible and  where that's not the case where we can improve my goal is to help to help further Improvement and those people who want to trash agriculture are.

 in my opinion not helping in any way shape or form so I don't think we should we should waste our time on the 1% We should invest it on the 95% and I think farmers are very important part of that of that of that goal of educating the public to , to to a point where they understand better where their food comes from and how its produced and why it's produced in a responsible manner.

And I'm going to have a pound of beef with broccoli today for lunch after the show. So that's what I'm doing to help [01:22:00] further the cause how about that? What could feed Lots do differently when you look at them what the way feedlots work? Everybody, you know hates feedlots. They are the Demons of the food industry Animal Welfare hate them.

, everybody hates them what could feed Lots do differently that they're not doing now to improve , the quality of the product but more importantly to help lower,  the waste and an impact on the environment. You know, I don't I don't support the notion. Everybody hates feedlots. In fact, I think most people actually I happy that we have feedlots and let me explain to you why.

If you ask the majority of consumers, whether they prefer a consonant or grass-finished beef.  State let's say , then you will find that the vast majority do favor the constant peace. They have become accustomed to it. It has a different taste. It has different,  fed [01:23:00] consistency one that carries a certain taste that people favor by a large.

They are some people would say no I much prefer the other one the grass finished piece. , but , I would not I would not support the notion that people hate. But , what the one percent of the people that we just talked about what they are doing really effectively is there taking photos of beef cattle standing at the feet,  truck eating and then it looks like it's a very cramped environment.

, I have worked in feedlots,  for many years and I can tell you the average, , space allowance first year or heifer in a is between 130 to 150 square feet. And that's not a little bit of space. That's quite a bit space, right? Right and , some people have tried to reduce that because it is a lot of space and they have [01:24:00] found that if the space is being reduced then performance goes down.

So the space is pretty consistent. They are not cramped. They actually have quite a bit of space. Now, they have a PhD nutritionist who formulates their diet. They have a veterinarian who checks them. They have pain writers who make sure that if any animal needs help that it's taken to the hospital and treated.

And most importantly the system of feedlot allows us to cut a at least one year of Lifetime out of these animals lives and that reduces the environmental footprint of these animals drastically people think animals on pasture Always Greener are better for the environment, but they live about twice as long.

And they ingest the diet that produces more methane than that diet of so, I am not within the camp of people your clothing and I think I think that it's the extremists who try to paint that [01:25:00] picture of people that's being so negative. I don't think it is negative. That's an interesting perspective.

I personally I have a farmer that I do business with for beef and chicken and pork and now lamb and , I do prefer. Just for me, , grass-finished beef and it's becoming more popular, but that's the beauty of our country. If you are willing to spend money on it, they'll produce it for you. And if you if you if you don't want corn finished you can get grass-finished in restaurants now and so on so, but the , The one thing that I do like about dealing with my Farmer is that the cows and I buy milk from one farmer.

Also, I since I own a share of a cow. I can buy , unpasteurized milk. I think the cows are treated nicer. That's all I can say. Well, well, you know, I. Personally, [01:26:00] I understand why it's fun to buy food from a farmer because being with a farmer talking to a farmer is fun getting some insights. And so I like that too.

But , I don't ever enter poem or files around livestock. Okay, they are not they are not my pet. They're not a family member. There are an animal that I will eat sooner or later. And so.  to me, it's important that whoever raises that animal treats it animal with respect and most of the farmers ranchers owners that I've met in my life do them.

They are out lies. There are outliers. They are people who don't do that and they need to get the heck out of business. I don't want to see anybody mistreating animals staying in business. I think animal agriculture needs to self-police and get those people who don't treat animals right out of business.

But  whether you have. [01:27:00] A grass finished animal or a con finished animal. In my opinion has little to do with you know where the animals are treated humanely or so you can have animals that are past the race that are more stress than feedlot race because for example if the feed base is not sufficient if there's not enough pasture or if there's not enough drinking water or if they are parasites or if there are predators.

Then the welfare of grass-finished animals can also be impeded. So you have to be careful.  and really look into the specific situation and not have blanket statements of you know, grass finishes always better for the welfare and confidence does not I don't I don't think that's true. I appreciate that.

That's really good to hear. , I want to thank you for taking time to come on the show, but more importantly. I want to thank you for [01:28:00] championing this cause and I hope that people will pass around the show to everybody who will listen to it because you know, I understand that we can't.

 worry about fighting the 1% I get that but at the same time people need to understand that they're not they shouldn't feel guilt for having a steak. They shouldn't feel guilt for having a piece of chicken or eating eggs or drinking milk, and it's silly. , you know, we evolved consuming animal protein.

It's an important part. Of our evolutionary journey, and it's not something we can just cast aside and give up its the population will suffer, but nutritionally nutritional deficiencies. It's just it's a silly and so I want to thank you so much for what you do. You're very welcome. Thank you for having me on the show.

Take care. We're going to say goodbye. Now. I am heading to Los Angeles tomorrow. So [01:29:00] I'll be off the air until Tuesday class. Monday's a holiday, but I will keep everybody posted on my travels in Los Angeles. And when the show that I tape with Tom bill you is going to actually are and thank you for listening to Today's Show.

Please pass it around. It's an important topic. I really do think that a lot of people feel guilty and those who choose to have the meatless Monday think they're really actually having an impact on the planet and they're not they should hear this too. I will see you , Tuesday have a safe and wonderful holiday weekend.