[00:00:00] hey, hey, welcome back to another episode of super human radio. We have both an exciting and important show, to talk about today. We're going to talk about vaccines, and childhood illness with dr. Thomas Cowan and just a second. You know, it's undeniable that, children are developing diseases,  seen only in the elderly, , and especially autoimmune diseases [00:01:00] and , something is going on and there could be a link to the vaccine process children are getting more and more vaccines,  today within the first five years of their lives than we've ever gotten before.

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Welcome to the show. Dr. Thomas Cowan. How are you? I'm okay. How are you? I'm great. I really am it's a Monday. I love Monday's most people hate [00:02:00] Mondays, but I spend the weekend, , not doing what I love which is being on the air and now I get to join,  that process with you. So, , let's talk a little bit about um, before we get into the subject of the book as a as a physician.

When did you start to. Because most Physicians don't look at vaccines any other way than the medical offered oxy kind of teaches them to when did you start to look at vaccines with  with the different opinion,  for me it was about two years before I went to medical school. So we're talking in the late 70s.

, and then while I was in medical school, I was exposed to something called Anthropocene medicine which. Took a very different view of childhood illness and the whole evolution of of health in human beings. So I was [00:03:00] pretty skeptical and that's I would say an understatement about the whole process since you know about the early to mid 80s.

And took that that had to have an alienating effect on you. I would imagine because any physician who steps out these days. , as soon as the word vaccine is mentioned, you know, the medical officer docs has done a great job in in squelching any discussion. That isn't pro-vaccine. Well as I like to say it probably alienated me from some and , not from others.

Yeah, so I always had a group of colleagues and people that I , you know, hung out with and communicated with who were fairly of like mind and over the years. I've had a lot of students and young doctors who've come and studied with me. So I haven't I haven't  been at a loss for people to talk to or colleagues to communicate [00:04:00] with.

Well, I commend you for your courage because any physician who comes out in this day and age. And says anything even moderately middle of the road, you know, not completely Pro anything middle-of-the-road about vaccines usually gets attacked in this day and age so I commend you for that. So talk about what you have seen over the years, , and in the course of the correlation between vaccine load and childhood illness.

Well, it's I think a little bit about what I've seen but it it's more what not. Just what I've seen but what the statistics and the actual data that's being collected on the current status of Childhood Health. And that basically everyone around can see  in their own eyes what's happening?

I mean, basically I have had a lot of [00:05:00] children in my practice, you know in the early days. I was living in living and working in a small town in New Hampshire and we had school aged children and most of  parents were similar age people as me with young families like I had and.

We basically didn't , we didn't vaccinate at all. I probably have given 10 tetanus shots in my whole career and I I would say in my group of patients. I saw fair amount of the illness that , people currently vaccinated for including chicken pox and measles and little bit of months and a lot of whooping cough like probably a thousand cases.

And so all those people were. They never had a bad outcome from any of that not to say that that couldn't have happened. But it just didn't and the other thing that I didn't see was much chronic [00:06:00] disease. So it was extremely unusual for one of my patients to have asthma, you know Crohn's disease.

Peanut allergies or any of the sort of common autoimmune diseases that children have today and again, I would emphasize that not just my observation. Although that is my observation. But that's what we know about from just observing Society in general. There has been a massive shift, , you know, I I'm in my early 60s and when I was in elementary school.

As far as I know there was one child who had a chronic disease and now something like thirty to forty percent of the children in Detroit public schools carry an inhaler to school. So that's a massive change in the type of disease that children are facing and whether it's Crohn's or XML or peanut allergies [00:07:00] or Camp Childhood Cancer.

There has been a massive shift since 56. Years ago I'm with you and I are around the same age. And I don't remember any of the kids that I grew up with in grammar school having , the types of chronic diseases that we see in children today and it's really bad. I mean, we have young children developing breast cancer and colon cancer now right and even diseases like.

Like autism which is actually now 1 in 37 children is diagnosed with being on the autistic spectrum. And you know, some people would say, well, it's just that we didn't know how to diagnose that a hundred years ago. And I would only say about that two things one is it's hard for me to believe that.

All the intelligent people of 50 and 100 years ago couldn't identify that there was something wrong with a severely or [00:08:00] moderately severely autistic child, right? And in fact, the first case of autism started was  recorded in about 1937 and the second thing I say about that is if it was true that there was you know, one in 50 children who are autistic 50 years ago then.

Are all the 60 year-old autistic people. Wow, that's a powerful observation. Yeah, I mean they would be institutionalized and they would be Wards of the state or some something like that. Right and they're just you don't see it. , you see a lot in their teens. You see a lot in the early 20s.

, and you see even more, you know, the actual numbers are increasing so that's a a bogus argument in my opinion. This is a. New development and we have to somehow understand why and I at [00:09:00] least from my understanding and the reason I wrote this book is it's pretty clear why , whether people accept it or not as their business, but to me, it's fairly clear.

By the way, if you are a parent or parent to be. This book is written in a very balanced nature. This is not one of the Zealot like books that a lot of people like to make fun of them. We talk about vaccines. The book is is  called vaccine autoimmunity and the changing nature of childhood illness.

It's available at Amazon if you have young children, Or you are young enough where you don't have children yet? And you're planning on having children. You need to buy this book and read it. , you need to be open to all of the possibilities when it comes to children today. I forget when you and I were young, I mean, I think we got a polio vaccine and maybe.

Um, I know that I had the mumps I never had the chicken pox. I remember [00:10:00] um, rubella vaccines were popular when I was in grammar school, but maybe we were maybe about four or five vaccines that we got his children. Yeah. I was about six to nine depending on the year you're talking about and the only thing I would say about that just to just to.

Just  put another slant on this is people who think that it's this is only a children's issue. , I would remind them that according to the CDC mandated schedule, which is now being , more and more tightly and more aggressively enforced the number of vaccines that people between the ages of 18 and 65.

Are required to get is now approximately 66. Wow. So if you think this is just an issue for children, you are mistaken and it's there's at least 500 potential new [00:11:00] vaccines in the pipeline. So this is not an issue just for children. It's not an issue just for parents. This is an issue of all people because like I say, there's approximately 65 66 vaccines mandate.

Not different ones. So about 40 of those are flu shots, but all told about 66 different vaccines between the ages of 18 and 65. So this is an issue for everybody. We had , we had I had dr. Merrill NASA on my show. I think it was in 2009. And this is when , you remember anthrax was all you know in the media because people were sending Anthrax in envelopes and there was threats of Anthrax gas and in the Middle East and so um, they were they were giving every enlisted person who had the potential to be deployed, , an anthrax vaccine and she testified in front of Congress that.

One out of a thousand [00:12:00] of these soldiers developed, , irreversible cardiomyopathy and she directly linked it and she showed the pathway that the anthrax vaccine was causing this. So I hear you when you start talking about, you know, we have we have adults that work in healthcare and they're being told if you want to keep your job, you need to get these vaccines and it's scary.

I mean because. , it's not just a children's thing. You're absolutely right, right. Yep. It's not just the children thing. I want to take a break and when we come back, I want to talk about the immune system because one of the things that we have thoughted to evolve to believe in this audience is that , just about every chronic disease is tied back to.

 some malady of immune system response and vaccines is specifically designed to , do things to the immune system that could [00:13:00] potentially weaponize it. Um, and cause it to attack the host. I want to talk about that reality and how it fits nicely into this discussion. We're going to take a quick commercial break you listening to superhuman radio stay tuned.

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So I've learned over the years when we look at longevity and health span. That an immune system that is robust. But  rarely activated to fight lots of different battles seems to be linked directly,  to the lack of diseases of modernity and healthy aging, , you know, more recently the immune system has been.

 blamed for the development of Parkinson's disease and glaucoma when we talk about the immune system. We talk about the gut when we talk about the immune system. We talk about inflammation. Everybody can agree that information is at the root of every single disease of modernity, but they forget that.

[00:16:00] That information is deployed by the immune system the th1 th2 immune system and yet we think that injecting children would things that weaponize the immune system is a good idea. Can you speak on that? So I think the best way to do this is actually start from the from the ground up and go through the basics if you would permit me to absolutely.

So basically the way that this , our system works or so-called immune system is , when we for the first time encounter a , a virus or a bacteria that we haven't encountered before let's use the example of chickenpox. So what happens is the chickenpox virus gets into an essentially infects hundreds thousands, maybe even millions of cells, especially lining.

The respiratory tree and then the body. [00:17:00] Identify these infected cells and call forth a cell mediated response, which is based on the white blood cells to essentially , attack and digest and excrete these infected cells. So the first step in confronting a viral infection or any infection that we haven't experienced before is a cell mediated response, which usually lasts about seven to ten days and it's characterized by the person is quote sick.

And when I say sick, I mean fever rash coughs mucus all the rest of it. The important point to note here. Is that which we call being sick in other words having a fever and a rash and a cost. Is not actually the virus that's doing that. It's the cell mediated immune system. That's provoking this now it's sorry.

It's provoked by the virus, but it's the cell mediated immune system, right? That makes us sick. And the reason I know that is [00:18:00] because you can infect somebody with a virus and give them prednisone and they won't be quote sick, but you could actually kill them on the other hand. You can provoke a cell mediated response with no infection.

The person will be sick. So again, the important point to note is being sick is a response of a function of the cell mediated immune. Now because we don't want to get the same sickness over and over and over again in our life. We have a follow-up immune system called the humoral or antibody-based immune system, which Target which tags one of the proteins on the outside of the virus and you make antibodies against that part of the virus.

So that if you ever encounter the virus before you can isolate it and neutralize it before it gets into the cells and so no cell-mediated. Immune response is required and you'll never get sick again [00:19:00] when those to happen together and in that sequence, which is basically all infectious disease with the viral diseases measles mumps chicken pox Etc.

It's almost 100% foolproof. Meaning you will never get that disease again, and it's extremely rare in either experienced or the literature for somebody to go through. Measles twice go through chicken pox twice interesting none of those. So so that's the normal immune response and that's how it always was.

Until vaccine theory and practice now, it's very important for people to understand about vaccines that the theory of vaccines is we don't want the cell mediated response. We only want to stimulate antibody response because that's the memory protective arm of the immune system. [00:20:00] So the strategy of the of the vaccine.

Am is to not stimulate or suppress or bypass the cell mediated response and stimulate and antibody response. So that's what they do. Now. Another important point to note here is that if you take for instance a piece the antigenic piece of the chicken pox. And put it with normal saline salt water and inject it into a person.

They will not make antibodies to chicken pox. And so it's not effective. So in order to make it effective you have to put what's called an adjuvant which is a name for helper bam, which is a broad-spectrum antibiotic stimulating substance. And these the most common one is aluminum, but they also.

Fetal DNA and , you know, there's [00:21:00] glyphosate and mercury and formaldehyde and whole lot long list of other ingredients. Now people often say why they put that stuff in there. It's obviously not good for you and there's a very simple reason the reason is. You don't make an antibody response in most cases unless you put adjuvants in there.

Now. The next important point is that an adjuvant like aluminum doesn't just make you make antibodies to for instance the chickenpox virus because we don't know any adjuvant like that right the edge of the just stimulate and antibody response one of. Is against , the chickenpox virus, but if there's peanut protein in the in the vaccine solution, , you will also make antibodies against peanuts [00:22:00] and against human DNA cells and a whole lot of other things and this is the why I use the term.

Weaponizing the immune system because of these adjuvants specifically but going please I wouldn't I wouldn't use that term because I want to be as specific as I can. The function of the of the agilent's is to stimulate a robust antibody response, right? It's also the problem with saying well, there's just a little bit of aluminum in there, but it's not about the amount of aluminum the reason they put that little bit or whatever amount in.

Is because it works it works to create an antibody response. You can't say well it doesn't work because obviously that's why they put it in right now. The problem here is. Is a couple things one is if you stimulate a antibody response without a prior cell-mediated immune system unlike what we were told at the beginning of the [00:23:00] introduction of the vaccine program, you will never get long-term immunity or lifelong immunity.

The the reason I know that is very simple. That's why all vaccines need boosters. Because if you bypass the cell mediated immune system, I can't emphasize this enough. You never get lifelong immunity, even though we were told that you would so you end up with , not preventing the disease for the life of the individual but preventing it initially.

It's usually maybe eight to ten years and then it with each subsequent booster. It goes down too. Sometimes one two three years. So you end up making people who who are adults now susceptible to the disease. Well, that's one problem. But the real problem is if you go in and make a definition of what is autoimmune disease now here I'm talking about Hashimoto's and Graves and [00:24:00] Crohn's and allergies and Asthma and even autism is a kind of autoimmune inflammatory response.

And you say what? What is the Hallmark of all these the answer is very simple very situation of accelerated antibody production. That's how we diagnose them. , that's that's the pathological, , you know, idealogy of all these is that you've somehow stimulated excessive antibody production, which is targeting one of your own tissues.

Now the million-dollar question here is how come we went from a situation of where this accelerated antibody state was rare. To a state where the accelerated antibody State includes approximately 100 million Americans and you know because I have this unfortunate smart-alecky tendency. My [00:25:00] answer is well, maybe the vaccine program worked and the whole point was to stimulate antibodies.

And so it did I just want to say one other thing that. This is not actually my theory. I mean I'm um talking about it, but I want to read a quote by a guy named you who to schoenfeld who , just just to list his qualifications. He's in his Rayleigh editor of the Israeli Medical Association Journal.

He's the editor of autoimmunity reviews. He's the co-editor of the Journal of Auto immunology and a member of the editorial board. Of clinical reviews and Allergy and Immunology. So those are the four biggest autoimmune journals in the world and he's the editor of all of them and the only reason I say that is because it's likely he knows something about autoimmune disease and so he says throughout our lifetime the normal immune system walks a [00:26:00] fine line between preserving normal immune reaction.

And developing autoimmune disease to healthy immune system is tolerant to self antigens when self tolerance is Disturbed dysregulation of the immune system follows resulting in autoimmune disease vaccination is one of the main condition. That disturbs this homeostasis and results in autoimmune phenomena.

And Asia. Asia is an acronym that stands for autoimmune syndrome induced by adjuvant which he says there's at least 150 million people in the world who suffer from Asia and it's actually going to be renamed. The schoenfelt's syndrome. So at least he's got his name in perpetuity and he has fingered this 100 million hundred and fifty million people who have a autoimmune reaction because of the adjuvant that they've been [00:27:00] injected with whose purpose was exactly that to stimulate antibody production.

Right? Right, and I get this I'm not as eloquent. Breaking down the actual Pathways and step-by-step, but I've started to understand this and we've talked about it on the show and a more feeble manner that vaccines are doing what they're supposed to do. They're activating a robust response by the immune system, but the problem is it's like sending soldiers out armed for war, but they don't know who , their target is, so they just start attacking.

Anybody and it's important to be as specific as possible. It's not what they're what they're stimulating is the antibody response right the whole point. If you gave a vaccine now some vaccines do have a cell mediated component. And by the way, I would only [00:28:00] ,  point out that that insofar as cancer is an immune disease, which it probably isn't but to a certain extent it has an immune component.

Um, It's a failure of the cell mediated immune system. That's why we can't figure out a vaccine against cancer because it's not correctable by antibodies. So even cancer is a cell mediated deficiency syndrome to a certain extent and I would also point out that in a sense conventional medicine and in particular conventional Pediatrics.

Essentially is kind of an assault on the cell mediated immune system because whenever a child gets sick in the way, I described we give antipyretics like Tylenol aspirin. We give antibiotics. We're always trying to suppress. Cell-mediated immune system and it's a bit like if you've [00:29:00] never lifted anything in your life and you get to be 30 and you want to lift your you know, half of your car you can't do it because you have a weak function and we end up with people with you know week cell-mediated response and it's the cell mediated response that clears toxins and debris.

Out of your body. It's the cell mediated response in the form of fever, which was extensively studied in the early part of the century as even being a Fairly reliable cure for cancer. So we've lost the perspective and the interesting thing about it is we now know because of peer reviewed, , scientific studies that children who don't go through robust cell mediated reactions.

Like chickenpox like measles that all those childhood illnesses absolutely have a higher incidence of a whole [00:30:00] variety of chronic disease later in life, including glioblastoma, including heart disease including osteoarthritis, including neurodegenerative disease. This is in the medical literature, very clear.

The mechanism is all worked out. But we just don't we don't listen. Well, we don't hear about it. Let's be honest here right? There is a huge push a pro-vaccine push. In fact, anybody who talks negatively even moderately negatively about vaccines is accused of being a hat wearing, you know,  has been probed by aliens, , idiot and that's a very successful media campaign on behalf of.

The companies and organizations that would profit from vaccine and sadly our own CDC. , it's been on Earth that they own 22 vaccine patents. , and you know, [00:31:00] that's a whole nother issue, but there's a huge push to make vaccines a larger and larger vertical Market within within medicine and it's scary to me.

I want to take a break. Um, I have quite a few questions. I want to talk to you about when we come back,  with we're talking right now with dr. Thomas Cowan. His book is vaccines. Autoimmunity and the changing nature of childhood illness. This is a must read even if you your children are grown because you are at risk of these things depending on your vaccine load and understanding where your autoimmunity may be coming from will help you.

 resolve it and we're going to talk about resolutions when we come back stay tuned you listening to superhuman radio.

Welcome back.

Dr. [00:32:00] Cowan,  talk about herd immunity. We hear this all the time parents are forced into getting their children vaccinated. Because they're told that if their child doesn't get vaccinated somehow all the other vaccinated kids in school will catch something doesn't the vaccine work. Well, it works to a certain extent but , the question of herd immunity is an important one and I think requires some explanation here.

So we're also told that you have to have. Between 90 and 95 percent of the population immune to a disease before you can have heard immunity. Now if you take the acacia measles, which is one of the most important ones where they talk about herd immunity and it's more or less similar for all the rest of the vaccinated illnesses.

What you find as I said before is is the easiest time in the best time to get measles is between about to and. [00:33:00] And if you go through measles at that time, you're 100% immune for life. And what what that means is that the the girls who go through measles when their children when they're , become mothers and breastfeeds.

They will pass antibodies against measles while they're nursing their. So the children are immune because of maternal antibodies from ages about you know zero to about a year and then they usually get measles after that they go through it and then they're immune for life and they're immune as a. So so in that sense went in 1953 approximately when all children had measles we had 100% herd immunity.

I would also point out that according to the CDC which is required by law to report on infectious disease death at the end of every decade in every century. They reported on measles [00:34:00] and said that that the death rate from measles had dropped to basically Zero by 1953 and was essentially Zero from from then on and I would point out that the vaccine was introduced in 1963 and there was no change in the death rate or complication rate from measles as a result of the vaccine because it was already down to zero now the problem when you.

Somebody a measles vaccine because as we know the measles vaccine only lasts at most 8 to 10 years, maybe 12 and some people and the proof of that is that's the reason we give boosters to before you go to college and now we require boosters every 10 years as adults even though almost nobody gets that.

So what what you have is a situation of temporary immunity and then if you look right now in the [00:35:00] number of adults who are immune to measles it's basically zero because their immunity their temporary immunity from the vaccine has worn off, , and the other sort of scary part of this is because the antibody production of the mothers.

Of the young girls who are vaccinated wears off when they become childbearing age. They have no maternal antibodies to pass on to the children as they're breastfeeding. So we've gone from a situation of no deaths from measles. To now a situation where the babies are unprotected and the adults are unprotected.

And so there's no possibility of herd immunity through vaccination program. I can't emphasize that enough. There is no possibility of herd immunity through a giving somebody a temporary [00:36:00] antibody,  boost unless. You're prepared to vaccinate against measles every five to 10 years for the rest of people's lives, which is simply Preposterous and the fact that we haven't done that and we've had extension on about 30% of the population.

In say 2010 is immune to measles that's way below the 90% that we're told we need. , we ended up, , essentially ruining her effective herd immunity through the vaccination program. Wow. So unlike what we're told that it's antisocial to not vaccinate because , you you keep the disease in the population it turns out.

Exactly the opposite. Um, I donate blood fairly regularly and , one of the things that I discovered last year [00:37:00] was if you have had the whooping cough vaccine or come in contact with someone who's had the whooping cough vaccine within a six-month period of them being vaccinated,  you and not eligible to give blood and I asked one of the attendants there.

I don't have it. I said why is that and she said to me because they use an attenuated virus and so technically you're contagious at that point in time. Now was she right? You know, she's just a phlebotomist. I don't know that she's correct about that. Is there any truth to that you think? Well, I've never heard that and the thing that makes me suspicious that it's not true.

Pertussis is not a virus in the first place. It's a bacteria that makes a toxin and the the vaccine is against the pertussis toxin not against the bacteria itself at least technically speaking. The other thing is the [00:38:00] pertussis shot has clearly pertussis vaccine has clearly been shown not to affect transmissibility of.

As many of them like the flu shot does not affect the transmissibility or the infect infectivity of the flu. It's simply doesn't do that. It just gives you antibodies for temporary protection. So. I don't think that there's any okay,  anybody's saying you can transmit a virus from pertussis because it's not a virus and it wouldn't be a blood infection anyway, okay.

Okay. So we've learned a lot about autoimmune disorders. We've learned that the gut which is the , wheelhouse of the immune system can be affected by diet and as a result, Downstream changes,  in things like Crohn's disease rheumatoid arthritis and so on can once you remove the insult, they can actually the [00:39:00] body can actually start to heal itself and fix these problems.

So is there a role for what we've learned about nutrition the gut and an autoimmune disorders and in mature adults with children who have been exposed to vaccines. Well, if you if you end up with a situation again, like we're told by the probably the person in the world who knows the most about autoimmune disease that there's 150 million people out there who have adjuvant induced autoimmune phenomenon, so they have a whole lot of different diseases and in my book I outlined.

A program that one might want to follow in order to address this and it's actually fairly simple and comes right from the theory of how this happened because number one you might you probably still have you know, the [00:40:00] estimate is that the aluminum adjuvant last in your body up to 40 years. So number one, you might want to try to collate the aluminum out of your body, which there's some very simple ways.

You can do that. Number two. You want to heal your guts. So you're not leaking proteins and exposing yourself even further to antigens. So I outline a basically a low antigen. It's similar to the gaps diet or Autoimmune Paleo type diets. Um, so that's another step and then I use a medicine called Low Dose Naltrexone, which actually has this sense rebalances your immune response.

So it's more weighted towards the cell mediated unless against the antibody humeral Park. So that's basically the outline of how I go about treating, you know people with this autoimmune phenomenon whether or not it's stimulated by vaccine. What about supplements? [00:41:00] Um, I'm getting ready to have some amalgam fillings removed and I've been um loading up with a product made by a company called Metagenics called metaloclear.

That's supposed to be a chelating type of a supplement. Do you think there's any benefit for these or you think that they're just you know? I mean, I'm I don't I can't comment on that particular supplement. I've never used it. I mean I know about Metagenics but I mean with each case, you know, you can't do medicine in a in.

In the abstract, right? , it depends on the situation and if somebody situation started because of exposure to certain metals or aluminum in vaccines or which is you know, probably one of the most common then you have to deal with that and so it really is an individualized situation where you have to see case for what it for how it got to where the person is.

Have you seen [00:42:00] people who have used.  chelating,  processes whether they be oral or intravenous, um actually start to correct their autoimmunity. , it's not something I've seen much and it's not something I've used very much so I would say I haven't actually seen that okay, um plug a couple of your websites people can get the book at Amazon and I really mean this, um while this book may speak to.

Childhood illness if you have any type of an autoimmune disorder and there are so many of them today including glaucoma. They just figured out , you need to read as much as you can about autoimmunity and this book shines a completely different light on vaccines. This is not the Zealot type vaccine discussion.

This is actual science backed. Information that shows that vaccines do exactly what they're designed to do they [00:43:00] ramp up immune response and  not necessarily a good way. So what other websites can people go to learn about your writing. So, as far as my writing I had written another book about  year and half two years ago called human heart Cosmic heart, which is all about heart disease and what the heart actually does and so that website is human heart Cosmic.

My sort of practice website is fourfold healing. That's all spelled fourfoldhealing.com and that's based on a book. I wrote up probably 20 years ago called the fourfold path to Healing. , we have another one called. Dr. Cowan's Garden where we make and sell vegetable powders, which has nothing to do much with [00:44:00] any of this stuff except insofar as we're interested in good nutrition.

Yeah, very good. What are the four? Fold of healing Before I Let You Go. So I talked about in order to understand why and why somebody gets sick and how to help them. You have to understand diet and movement and medicines and thinking and so those are the four paths that I talk about in the book.

Very good. Listen. Thank you so much for being on the show. I think this is a really important book and I hope that my audience gets copies of it because , there's a lot more to this than just childhood. Illness. Thank you so much for being on the show today. Okay, thank you. Take care. We're gonna take one quick commercial break.

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Welcome back tomorrow shows gonna be really good won't start until one o'clock. Rob Regish is, I think on vacation. Or he [00:45:00] has he's taking his son Nicholas Maximus to Disneyworld tomorrow or I took they've already left actually, so I don't know that it's tomorrow. But bottom line is he let me know that he wouldn't be available for a show tomorrow.

So we're just going to cut out the twelve o'clock to 1 o'clock hour and move right home with the 1 to 2 and the 1 to 2 is going to be gold. I can predict that now I'm going to be interviewing doctor about a study that. What around the internet two weeks ago and I was actually supposed to do the interview two weeks ago, but I got sick when I got sick with the infection blah blah which by the way obviously developed immunity to because I was literally down for 36 hours and then bounced right back before taking any antibiotics or anything.

So my body actually started to fight it. Um, the study shows a correlation between SIBO small intestinal bacterial overgrowth and a phenomenon that has only been thought to occur. In diabetics and people with [00:46:00] specific nutritional deficiencies that we don't see except in third world countries and that is metabolic acidosis.

Um people with SIBO tend to have more lactic acid producing microbes seeding the small intestine and so as a result, they produce a ton of lactic acid from the food that you eat. We're going to get to the bottom of which foods feed. These bacteria my guess is going to be starchy and sugary carbs.

Let's see but more importantly one of the questions that no one has asked, and no one has written about when they've critiqued or written about his study. We're all these lactic facility lactate producing microbes coming from and I predict they're coming from the willy-nilly and crazy supplementation with probiotics that we see today.

[00:47:00] Um, could the probiotics that people are taking actually be fueling SIBO. I actually. Did a search term trend on Google and posted it to the Supreme radio network page on Facebook, but the Search terms for probiotics exactly mimics the trajectory of the search term for gas and bloating or bloated stomach and for small intestinal bacterial overgrowth now.

We're gonna have somebody on the show after dr. Rail to talk about the fact that taking probiotics is no big deal and he's going to cite Evolution, but I think that he's wrong and I respectfully say that now and he may prove me wrong because throughout Evolution no one has taken probiotics the way we take them today.

[00:48:00] , Adele Musa sent me a study and I'm trying to get the author on the show right now. Many of you know that I have promoted VSL number three packets which 450 billion, ,  colony-forming units of microbes and every pouch 450 billion and for years. I took that stuff. I have got issues now could that have been part of the seeding process for my goodness shoes today?

Very possibly but more importantly Adele just sent me a study that has linked taking that exact supplement with an inability to lose body fat in young adults. So this notion that oh, you know eating kimchi out the Wazoo and taking all these probiotics and taking Prebiotic fiber and just doing this stuff is like something that's good.

[00:49:00] It may not be it may not be

and we can't keep saying food is medicine. And hence nutrition is medicine without understanding that you can overdose on medicine and you could be eating too much of a particular food. Thanks to , modern Agriculture and nutritional production. You know, we can take 450 billion CFU’s of Highly skewed towards lactic acid producing microbes.

Every single day of Our Lives maybe twice a day, maybe three times a day. We've never done that and through Evolution. Our ancestors have never done that so to automatically discount that we come in contact with microbes our entire life throughout Evolution and somehow. That implies that taking all and folks I'm guilty of it.

Right? Look. I'm just like [00:50:00] you I thought more microbes more Prebiotic and I have gut issues today. Now I can't say that it caused it, but did it contribute? I don't know but we're starting to get to the bottom of this. We're starting to understand that shotgun blasting our guts with probiotics may not be wise and we never did it throughout Evolution.

We just did so it's silly to even try to defend that in my humble opinion. I'm going to ask dr. Ray the question the 64 billion dollar question. Why does people have so many of these lactic acid producing microbes in their small intestine, which should have no microbes in it. Is it possible that a combination of things are taking place low acid levels in the gut?

 that develop bloating and then they immediately hear a commercial about activity and start Downing probiotics and [00:51:00] all different forms thinking they're going to fix the problem. So we'll see that tomorrow. I hope you can tune in then. , don't forget to give our X bar a try. I promise you. You know, they're not a high protein bar.

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