[00:00:00] I love what I do. I really do I especially love the phone conversations I have with people who are going to be on the air with me before the show starts. I wish we had like an end to end recorder going on. Some of them Today's Show is exciting. We've got dr. Jeff joining me in a minute for science for humans are going to talk about the role of exercise and the onset of menopause in women has been lots of research in this area lots of confounding information.

We're going to talk about that. Then later in the show Alex Leaf from examine dot-coms going to come on and talk about the unknown things about whey protein and what [00:01:00] you should know when you buy whey protein, of course, we have to thank all American pharmaceutical and EFX sports for their title sponsorship of the show, which makes me doing the show so much easier.

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So when [00:02:00] I used to travel to Montana to do radio shows with dr. Jeff, dr. Jeff had a favorite saying. He would say are we poke the bear and just right before the show. I got poked at night. Oh, we lost the poll on a second. Let's get him back just takes a second is the second. Hold on. Oh, this will just take a second.

Hold on. This is the beauty of live radio folks. That's what this is. Live radio. Nobody wants to do live radio because nobody has the there we go. Okay, hold on. Let me just kill this speaker. I was saying when you and I used to when I used to travel Montana to do radio with you had a favorite saying about poking the bear and I just got poked right before the show didn't I?

Sorry, I had you my opinion next [00:03:00] week. I know next week. We'll have to talk about it. We definitely have to talk about that next week for sure. But this week we have a really interesting discussion and it's one that's confounded and Confused women for a very long time. There has been research published that shows that exercise brings on.

Menopause sooner there's been research that shows that women who exercised seem to hold off menopause to a later age. And now a more recent study was published using the research from the nurses study that kind of says that it doesn't play a role at all. What were your thoughts about this when you first looked at it?

Well, my thought was. Like any study, you know, I kind of scrutinize the parameters of the study. So the first thing that stuck out to me was this was a self-report written study self-reporting self-reporting, right? Yeah [00:04:00] self-reported every two years. Somebody just filled out a questionnaire, you know on what they were doing why they were doing it and let's face it, you know.

Women more than men do not want to admit that they're not exercising they want to but they're busy and as they continue to age because of menopause they start putting on weight. So I don't feel that they were all that truthful and what they were reporting. Well, you know, if I'm that's the yeah that the first thing I thought about was I don't buy this study because it's self-reported and only happen at self-reported over 20 years.

Yeah. This was the nurses health study it started in. Ein that when these women between 25 and 42 years old, they ask them then to report how often they exercised and they also considered mowing the lawn as a high-intensity Endeavor, you [00:05:00] know, I don't know about you but I don't think that is but okay and then they questioned them every two years and of course these women are going yeah, I'm still exercising.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, it's a December. I mowed the lawn, you know four times in the summer. But here's the thing, you know, I went and did some research and as you said I mean back to 2011 Japanese said women who exercise hit menopause earlier, some study says no effect. Some says it's the opposite.

Let me ask you a question. Is it dangerous for women to hit menopause early in life? That's a really good question. I don't know that I guess it depends on if so some women seem to do better with menopause and some don't I guess if you're one of those women Who develops all sorts of illnesses [00:06:00] when you hit menopause, then it isn't it's worse for you.

And if you're one of those women who just Coast through menopause and it doesn't matter to you nothing changes, I guess it's not. And that was the question that popped into my head. I'm looking at the study going who cares. I mean if it's not dangerous, you know some research I saw says that, you know early too early menopause, you know could lead to osteoporosis heart issues.

But then I also saw that women who have late menopause is also dangerous, you know can lead to breast cancer. Yeah. I don't know if they really even know. But the thing that got me was looking at all of these studies these nurse practitioners the phds were really staying don't exercise because it's not going to help you and I had an offense to that because you and [00:07:00] I both know that's not true and what I saw and what I know about menopause, I'm not a female but you know, I've done enough research that.

Things like being overweight lack of exercise stress heightens the symptoms of menopause. So even though it may be inconclusive that exercise is going to bring it on early or delay it I think we all can agree that exercise is going to help you throughout a watt and you know, what I've said on this show no matter what disease you're fighting you will always fare better if you keep training, Yeah, I read this report from a doctor saying that exercise is not going to help you.

Let's face it women. She was a female doctor. Let's face it, you know as we get into our late forties and we get into our 50s where busy exercise is bad for you because [00:08:00] it's hard on your joints. Just let Age happen and be happy. What a crock, you know who you know, who does that? Dr. Andrew Weil.

He says learn to age gracefully. There's nothing you can do except that and I say you're full of baloney and he's really fat and he doesn't look good. And and I guess he wants every he's the Pied Piper. He wants everybody to follow him down the unhealthy path. Like that's baloney. You know what?

All we have to do is look at life through an evolutionary lens and say our evolutionary Journey dictated that men and women side-by-side toiled all day long to find food to create shelter to raise children. There was none of this. Hey, hey, ugh, you better not lift those Boulders anymore because you're gonna ruin your knees August like I got to lift the boulder as we need [00:09:00] to make a Hut and something to sleep.

It. This is nonsense all of these all of these the social constructs that we've created mean nothing when you when you look at Evolution which tells you the truth. Well it is and you know, I say over and over and over again, the human body has not changed in the last 2,000 years probably hasn't changed in the last however many years.

Why does everybody have to have a new Theory a new way of doing things, you know, let it happen and you know this this whole Let It Be thing happened quite a few years ago and you probably remember this kind of during some of the. Female movement where I don't know who it was that was broadcasting, you know, don't look at all these models in these magazines that's not real, you know, just like [00:10:00] you who you are.

If you're fat be happy, right, you know, don't do anything to change that. And it's like, you know, what a deception I saw something else. There are some do this kind of related but not related. There's a some musician called Rob Zombie. Oh, I love Rob. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so he made a comment. And again, this is along the mindset is.

There is no such thing as heaven or hell, you know, there's nothing so, you know what just live life party do drugs do alcohol enjoy life because you're going to die. Anyhow someday, right? Okay, and again that's kind of I think the philosophy of a lot of these people will just enjoy life.

You're going to die. Anyhow, so you can but when you smile is my question, and I've asked this question for 13 years now. Why is it [00:11:00] that quote unquote enjoying life means self-destruction to The Human Condition? Why is it that when people reach a certain level of success or a guy works until he 65 and now he retires the reward is to drink copious amounts of alcohol becomes slow thoughtful and lazy and to do things that are clearly self-destructive, you know people who how many how many.

Celebrities have we heard about that? Once they reached it? They got hooked on cocaine for six years and blue. They lie about what my confusion is why is it that The Human Condition equates success to self-destruct? That's a very good question. And you know, you have to go a lot deeper and you know, go back to the days of Adam and Eve, you know, without getting a Biblical here.

But you know as Sin entered into the world, you know, that is the [00:12:00] deception and now with you know, TV and radio and movies. I mean, that's what young people are seeing. You know, they're seeing murdering his okay, they're seeing destruction. In drugs alcohol, this is okay. But I always say would you do that to your car?

Hmm, heck? No. Why because you have a substantial investment. Well, your body is your vehicle. I mean, why would you purposely Destroyer? Well, would you do that to your dog or your cat? You know what I found out I did this show with Daniel or a go a couple weeks ago and it ended up being a YouTube Facebook live interview and just the video alone has gotten like 23 thousand views.

Wow, like 200 shares and that's more than any show I've ever done on cancer research or anti-aging and I realized at that moment that people care a lot more about [00:13:00] their dogs and they do themselves. Well, I would say. If it's good for you, then it's good for your dog. If you think all that cocaine and all that alcohol is good for you to share some with you dog.

People go of course and I wouldn't do that to my dog. I would that would be harming the dog. Oh, so let me get this straight it harms the dog, but it doesn't harm you all the alcohol you're drinking, right? Yeah. Those are the same celebrities that are promoting the commercials that come on TV.

Look at this poor dog, you know. Yeah. Yeah don't exist. You're 32 cents a day will save this dog from yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well and it's also the same celebrities that do all of the ads for two things, right they do the ads for alcohol and they do [00:14:00] the edge for pharmaceutical drugs. It's interesting that those two bookends.

You know what I mean? When you look at your condition today those two bookends. It's the foods we eat booze we drank and then the other end of it is then they get you on a medication and everything's going to be okay. I mean Ray Leon so Ray Liotta. I lost complete respect. I used to love him. And now he's Hawkins Pharmaceuticals.

I'm thinking come on man. Just stop this nonsense. Well, look at the rate of suicide in Hollywood right now. It's rapid. Yeah. I mean you don't hear about that. Yeah, you know it isn't because women are exercising and it's hindering or increasing menopause. No, it's because like you said they are destroying their bodies.

Okay, so getting back to the discussion about menopause for a second, it's fair to say that and I know [00:15:00] this from women that I've worked with that women who continue to exercise through menopause, they actually are able to manage their symptoms better because a lot of the effects of menopause namely hot flashes.

And anxiety and the onset of depression from lack of sleep have more to do with blood sugar management than anything else the tug of war between estrogen and progesterone cause wild fluctuations in blood sugar that cause sweating sleeplessness and anxiety. So, Those women who train continue to train they tend to have better insulin sensitivity.

They tend not to get those symptoms. So they're right there. I say who cares when you go through menopause keep training. Well, that's exactly it and you know, you got to realize that menopause is a hormone thing. You know when a female gets to a certain age where childbearing starts she starts to have her [00:16:00] period and all of those hormonal issues come into play when Nature decides that it's time for that to decrease.

Well, then the opposite thing happens. It's menopause a decrease in estrogen and that insulin sensitivity or decrease is why women start to have problems with weight. You know that they experienced during menopause. So again, why wouldn't you want to compensate? We know what exercise does exercise helps to balance hormone imbalances it helps with, you know, increasing testosterone and women have testosterone.

They need that stress, you know kills all of these hormone balances. I feel yeah. So again, I mean, yeah, it's because you're because you're a woman who have traumatic events and they go through menopause spontaneously at 30 years old because of the trauma. I mean look at us as guys we have we have our own kind of stress and we have our own imbalances and [00:17:00] at the end of the day if you ask me what one thing I cannot live without it would be training.

I mean and it isn't because you know, I want to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. It's because I want to feel good. Yeah, you're right. And that's what I say, you know every morning I wake up faced with real scary things that my body is doing to me right now, but after training, I have complete control of my body and I feel a thousand percent better.

So instead of taking a pill I choose to go to the gym. That's the difference between me and the average. And we used to say years ago that you know training the secret was synchronizing the body and the mind together. Yeah, that's what happens when you yeah, and that's what you happens. When you when you exercise is you have [00:18:00] to learn how to turn your brain off of what's going on out there and concentrate at what you're doing and it's amazing how many things.

Could be cured healed and how many women could better manage this whole menopause thing. If they would just exercise every women that I know here in Montana or in Billings, which no may not be a lot of them most of them quit training because they're too tired their joints hurt. They don't have enough time.

They're too busy but isn't it? So the Chicken and the Egg question comes here, right? So we've talked about on this show for a long time. This exact question and this is how it's been position. Do we do we stop training because we get old or do we get old because we stopped raining. And I'm going to say it's the latter I think [00:19:00] people age because they quit training.

Yes, and you know, I this whole idea of training is an artificial solution to the lack of activity that we have today. I want to take a break right now and when we come back on the other side people are going to say oh but we didn't have to exercise back in the in 200. No, you're right because we actually moved for 10 18 hours a day.

Yeah. So let's talk. Let's talk about that when we come back stay tuned you listening. It's for human. Welcome back a little bit later in the show going to be joined by Alex leads right now. This is science for humans were talking about does exercise actually speed the onset slow the onset or affect the onset of menopause in women this recent study says it doesn't have anything to do with.

But you'll [00:20:00] always Fair better by continuing to exercise is no doubt in my mind about that. So, dr. Jeff the reason that we even have to exercise today is because modernity has caused us to sit we used to be active human beings we used to wake up in the morning and go to sleep exhausted because we moved all day long, right?

Absolutely. I mean if you think about most of the jobs. Years past they were all physical labor there weren't a lot of executive there were no internet kids when we were kids. You weren't allowed to be in the house. You were booted outside, right Ryan go out there and play we weren't allowed to sit for the TV, you know, but today, I mean everything is sediment, you know, people are sitting on their butts doing.

And that's the reality and we the reason we even talked [00:21:00] about we argue about why is exercise important is the fact that we don't move anymore. My guest next guest Alex leave when he came and stayed with the Lisa and I you know, he lived by his Fitbit. He made sure that he got like ten to fifteen thousand steps a day and.

There's a lot of evidence that that is more powerful that level of activity is more powerful than going to the gym and busting it out for an hour and then sitting behind your desk for the next eight hours. You know, I call that Lit low intensity training and it doesn't mean you have to go to the gym.

I mean just walking moving around be active. I mean how many people. Barely get from their house to the car to their seat and then back home to the couch rhyming that is their activity what [00:22:00] 10 minutes and so this whole discussion about exercise is an artificial solution to the lack of activity that Yuma.

Have in this lifestyle today and that we wouldn't be having this discussion. If we were still Farmers, you know doing brick masons and Factory workers have no everybody sits all day long now, so we have to have this discussion and we have to debate whether or not exercise affects menopause onset.

You know what I believe it does personally and there's research out there that supports my opinion. There's research out there that is contrary to my opinion and then there's research like this. Where they use self-reporting and I put very little value in self-reported research simply because people human nature they over report what they perceive to be good behavior and they under report what they perceive to be bad behavior.

And you know, that's why a [00:23:00] lot of This research where people keep Diaries as opposed to something that's done in the metabolic Ward something I've done the metabolic Ward, you're like a big rodent they feed you and they update measure how much output of energy and that now we know the truth, you know, Well, and we know that people don't want to look bad whether it's a questionnaire, you know on a job application or you go into the doctor.

They ask you all these questions or something like this. You wouldn't say. No. I'm not exercising or are you overweight? No, I'm not overweight. How is your diet? Oh, it's good. Yeah, no one tells the truth about what they eat right or would you eat last night for dinner? I had eye steak in Brussels sprouts.

No, you did. Not you had potato chips what I saw. Do we have [00:24:00] a camera in your house, you know, you know that was one of the things when people used to ask me for a program and they still do I still do it. I say look you need to chart your food for a week and be honest. And they will be and you know when you ask him prior to that well, how is your diet?

Oh, it's good. I eat healthy and then you look at their journal in this like, oh my goodness. How do you consider Pizza three times a week potato chips ice cream, you know. Oh, well, I didn't eat that much doesn't matter. You didn't eat anything healthy, nothing nutritious. And this is why iPhones are fantastic for people who do distance training, right?

So what you say to your client is. I don't want a food diary every time you eat snap a shot [00:25:00] of it and text it to me immediately said yes, and now they're really eating it. You know, it's sitting in front of them. It was people can eat one thing and putting the diary something else and they will well, but, you know at the end of the day it's whether its sales or it's the body the proof is in the pudding.

Yeah, you know when you're out of shape don't tell me you're exercising your eat. Well, yeah, it doesn't go hand-in-hand. Wait, wait, don't tell me you're making a hundred sales calls and you got no sales right exactly work out real quick. We have a couple minutes. So the Olympia is a big thing going on.

You've got your stuff you're introducing that looks like some new flavors. You can introduce their some products. Yeah, we got we're going to be talking about the new Karbolyn rtd’s, [00:26:00] which will be doing a soft launch in the fall. We have the new Apple Karbolyn and new. Raspberry lemonade, we've got some the new EAA.

So again if you are. Coming to the mr. Olympia. You need to come by the EFX Sports Booth the show isn't that big? So you're going to walk around you'll find us if I give you a Boost number those numbers are nowhere to be found. Anyhow, yeah, but I'll be there all weekend. Friday and Saturday, I'd love to see you come on by and if nothing else, you know, get some free samples try some stuff.

They always have product relatively cheap so you can take home a full bottle less than cost RTD. So this is like in a bottle or in a can. No, it's the first one is going to be in a bottle really cool bottle. It [00:27:00] has a two year shelf-life doesn't need to be refrigerated. One of them is 16-ounce Karbolyn just pure carbon and the other one is a I call it carbon extreme.

So it's a caffeinated Karbolyn. So for those people who like a little you know, Zing caffeine. Yeah, there you go to Great flavors grape and green apple. So. Going to be fun. Are we going to are we going to see this on Kroger shelves? You think at some point in time competing with I think we will you know, there's nothing like it on the market, you know all the mark there's no carb drinks that are like carbon and so, you know, Carbon is the number one selling Karbolyn.

So it's just going to take time to get it into distribution and get it on the shelves, but I think eventually this could be something that you know grocery [00:28:00] stores would be interested in carrying. It's a healthy alternative to Gatorades and monsters and all these other sugar. No calorie. Nothing drinks, right?

Right, right. Very good. I will know I've gone all natural flavors and no colors in these. So that is awesome. That right. There is fantastic. That's fantastic. So check it out. Don't forget to see not what we have we have time. The Olympia is the 13th, right? Yeah. It's I think it's the 14th and 15th that Friday and Saturday is a trade show.

I think the whole event starts on the 13th at the Las Vegas Convention. In the center. You know, whatever card I get out and I actually think you're right actually think you're in Booth 419. I don't know if that's correct or not, but I think I saw that somewhere but don't look at numbers. It's a big [00:29:00] booth and you know, it'll be the one where everybody's in line at get a picture of dr. J

 and post it on my Facebook wall everybody. I look dr. Jay. Thanks for being on the show today, brother. All right. Take care from here. I will going to take one quick commercial break and when we come back we're going to be back with Alex Leaf nutritionist. Stay tuned.

Welcome back and welcome back to Alex Leaf. Welcome back. Alex you there? Yeah. Okay. There you are. It's been a while. Yes, Alex Lee for those of you who don't know is a profoundly intelligent nutritionist. He graduated from best steer in Washington. And he is been writing for examine.com for quite some time.

Now his approach to science is not agenda-driven. In fact Alex. I find to be very fair handed and that gets him in trouble sometimes because the [00:30:00] agenda driven people don't like some of the things he says about their agendas. Would that be a true assessment? Have you found that to be the case since you've been writing more?

About supplements and things in general that that people who loved and adored you before it's like wait a minute. You're not agreeing with me anymore. What happened? I don't know if it was people who adored me before but I can certainly say that people on all sides of the fence get upset when you.

Write about something in a way that goes against what they currently believe. Yeah. Yeah and me too. I kind of keep it to myself but I do too. Okay, so we're going to talk about something that's probably going to upset some people and maybe make some other people feel really good. I don't think there is another product in the [00:31:00] nutritional / performance industry that is widely consumed as.

As protein powders and I would say that of all the protein powders out there that the Whey Protein category is probably the largest would you agree with that statement? Oh definitely and in your opinion from your research. I mean, there's been a lot of research. I had people from Don Lemon. You know back in the day before Lane Norton was even a doctor.

He had come on my show and they looked at the protein synthetic response from different protein powders and back then way was King because of the leucine content. That is all that still true is way still the best choice if you're looking to build muscle. Um, it depends how you're going to compare the different protein powders, but.

Way when if you're going to use a protein powder then whey protein is more [00:32:00] than likely going to be the best option for several reasons, but I don't think that it is necessary to use by any means, especially if someone can obtain adequate protein through just eating their regular diet. So I so I have been.

I have been eating a pound and a half of ground beef post-workout now for a couple months. I haven't been able to train my legs because of my left foot. It needs one more surgery. And so I focused on my upper body and lo and behold at 60 years old. I am adding muscle to my physique, which a lot of people think it can't happen.

So am I not benefited from the post-workout? Protein drink as opposed to the pound and a half of beef. You think I'm doing myself a disservice by not using whey protein post-workout probably not know but we also have [00:33:00] to keep other factors in mind like the dose that you would use whether or not you ate before training or if you're training in a fasted State your age because young people will be more sensitive to.

Incoming amino acids to stimulate an anabolic State than older people who are more resistant to those effects. So there's a lot of factors that play a role, but generally speaking. I don't believe that taking whey protein post workout is superior to just eating food. Okay. All right. So let's delve into the whole whey protein thing for a second.

So you have been writing extensively for examined that common you've actually spent a lot of time in this space now and probably will come out of this as really a whey protein expert what is some of the what if some of the myths that even you believed about whey protein [00:34:00] that you have since had difference of.

Right, so to kind of back up and give a little background. What I've been working on recently is collecting data on whey protein in terms of its production methods and how that impacts the quality of the protein powder and. This has led me down. A lot of different rabbit holes exploring some of the common advertising that you might hear about or read from various way protein manufacturers and as I became more and more familiar with the research on the lot of these I came to realize that.

Most of the advertising claims that are made by manufacturers as it relates to the quality of the whey protein are completely false in a sense. To the extent that I would argue it's false advertising. It's as if they're telling people the Earth is flat. It's not really something where there's wiggle [00:35:00] room for debate.

The evidence is pretty clear on a couple of these things. Well one of them, I mean, so I have a product called Thrive and you reach out to me once when you were delving in some of the research You Know Carl is really no benefit to low heat. That high heat pasteurization probably is actually more effective and less damaging to to the to denaturing way explain that because I'm actually going to change as a result of what you taught me.

Yeah, so that's actually really good place to start because. It's important for everyone to know first of all that there is no such thing as a raw whey protein FDA requires that any milk or milk based products intended for human consumption. Is pasteurized and that means that the milk is going to be pasteurized as soon as it is collected from the cow [00:36:00] before it gets turned into whey protein so you're never going to have a whey protein powder that has not been pasteurized.

It's impossible unless you find some farmer that is somehow able to extract whey protein in his small little dairy farm. But that just seems really unlikely plus the FDA would probably Smash down on him if they found out. Well, here's I just want to interject something because you were very specific to say for human consumption because there is actually is a cold pasteurization process, but you can only use it to pasteurize Dairy that is going to be given to a calf and it's quite effective, but it has not been approved for.

For human consumption but there doesn't appear to be any specific benefits because bringing milk to ultra-low temperatures has some of the same neutralizing effects on the components that people believe raw is better [00:37:00] for like microbial content and enzymes and so on as heat does right? Well, that's why it's.

A method of pasteurization, right? It wouldn't make sense. If it didn't affect right exactly wouldn't be pasteurization and right exactly but the reality is that so low heat pasteurization probably is more about convincing the consumer that special care has been taken but it really doesn't yield a better product.

What are some of the other things that you are seeing that you feel is disingenuous about how companies market like what? The peptide fractions that people talk about like pro-peptide proteins. They somehow add peptides into this. Where are they getting that from are they taking it from other milk products and where those going than once those peptides are removed.

Um, okay. You're jumping ahead real quick. That's another good thing to talk about but I [00:38:00] want to finish up on pastors. Okay, I'm just is actually a really big issue. Okay in the manufacturing plant. Okay. So whey protein start to denature above 50 degrees Celsius low heat pasteurization is at requires 30 minutes of holding time at 62 degrees Celsius.

So even low heat is capable of denaturing whey protein, The issue with low heat pasteurization, which is also called Bat pasteurization. Is that not only do you have to hold the milk at 63 degrees Celsius for 30 minutes? But because it's done with large batches of milk, hence why it's called vat pasteurization.

You spend the Whey Protein spends a significantly greater time period being heated because you have to heat the entire vat of milk up to that temperature then hold it there and then it needs time to cool. So the overall heat exposure is vastly more with low heat pasteurization. And [00:39:00] in comparison the most commonly used pasteurization method currently in the dairy industry is high temperature short time pasteurization.

And in this process milk is heated to 72 degrees Celsius for 15 seconds, because it passes through a tube right that it's not the tube gets flash heated and then it cools off as it continues on. Exactly, so they run milk through a tube that is millimeters in diameter. And this tube is superheated.

So the milk as soon as it hits that tube the millimeter wide stream of milk is heated to 72 degrees instantaneously, it runs through there for 15 seconds. And then it hits a super chilled tube that. Brings it back down to near freezing temperature instantly. And so the total heat exposure time is only 15 seconds and it we have numerous studies showing that this form of pasteurization has no effect on the biological [00:40:00] activity of way.

It doesn't. And even immuno Tech Who currently holds a patent for non denatured whey protein for use in medical Fields, like with people who have HIV in their patent, they specify that this method of pasteurization must be used because it doesn't denature whey protein interesting the denaturation with low heat pasteurization is about 10 to 20% and.

There's as like a final nail in the coffin. There have been reports in the cheese reporter which is an old newspaper that would circle around cheese manufacturing plants and they will turn away milk that has been vat pasteurized because it denatures the whey protein causes it to stick to the Casey and messes with their ability to produce Quality Cheese interesting.

Wow. So low heat pasteurize is one of those buzzwords that really means nothing and if anything it means that you're not getting as good of a [00:41:00] product exactly. Okay. I want to take a quick commercial break when we come back. We can either jump into the peptides because I always wondered where are they getting those peptides from and then what happens to the product that the peptides was removed from this is that just sold off?

To unwitting formulators and then I also want to talk about way plus casein because there was research back a couple three years ago that showed that when you add casing to way you seem to get a better. Protein synthetic response you can pick whichever one you want to talk about first. We come back from the break.

How's that sound? Cool? Okay. Sounds good. Go talking with Alex leafy right to examine.com examine.com is an unbiased source of information you they don't make any products, they just produce information and if you haven't heard about them [00:42:00] before you need to check him out examine.com. We'll be right back.

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We see products out there that claim to have. Added or fortified with peptides. Where are they getting these peptides from and what happens to the stuff that they take the peptides out of? Um, I'm not sure I have an answer for those questions, but the bio active peptides that one obtains when they use whey protein are.

The entire basis for the claims around denatured and non-denatured whey protein. So whey protein isn't just [00:45:00] a homogenous group of proteins. It actually refers to several subfractions of proteins such as beta lactam globulin. Alpha lacked albumin immunoglobulin serum albumin lactoferrin lacto peroxidase.

Those are all way proteins there. There's subfractions of whey protein that release certain bio active peptides when they are broken down by our digestive enzymes and many of these peptides survive the digestive process and are absorbed in tact to enter into our circulatory system where they exert their effects I and that's the.

Entire rationale behind getting a non denatured whey protein and that's also the. Rationale for why patented non denatured proteins, whey protein is used in for example people with HIV to boost their immune immune system because they have to make sure that the immunoglobulins and serum albumin in the whey protein does not become denatured because if it did its form would change and then our digestive enzymes [00:46:00] would act on it differently.

Causing the release of the certain bio active peptides that are released when we digest it to not form because it's being broken down in a different way. By the way. Do you know that lactoferrin helps to remove iron from the body for those of us who like to eat a lot of red meat more worried about.

Having high levels of iron and our body lactoferrin hopes to remove that just it just thought I'd throw that in there. What about filtration? We see lots of hype on protein powders about cold filtration cold processing. Does that really matter? Yeah, so the filtration method matters a lot, but at the same time it also doesn't matter at all when it comes to many of the claims people make so.

When you get your liquid whey protein it exists as a liquid before it's turned into [00:47:00] a protein powder and when it's a liquid the manufacturers need to have some way to concentrate the Whey proteins into to make them more abundant and remove things like residual fat casein bacteria and lactose depending on what type of whey protein you're trying to make.

And the most commonly used filtration methods are membrane filtration methods such as microfiltration and ultrafiltration. These methods are simply pushing the liquid way through a membrane that has certain sized pores. And some things can get through while other things can't that's all it is.

There's no heat applied. No chemicals and it has absolutely no effect on the biological quality of way some companies. So this is when they say like cold filtration. They're usually referring to this. What did I say it again? When a manufacturer will say we use like cold filtration. It's going to be referring to membrane filtration [00:48:00] because you don't need to use heat.

You're just pushing way through a membrane to block certain compounds like bacteria and casing while letting the smaller way peptides move through gotcha. Some companies might. Use the word cross-flow microfiltration or cross-flow ultra filtration. It sounds fancier, but the cross flow simply means that they run water across the membrane so that it pushes all the gunk that builds off.

It pushes that away and all it does is increase the throughput? Yeah for the manufacture nothing special about. Yeah. It's like when you it's like if you don't clean your razor as you shave, you don't shave as well because it's not as much getting through it slightly. Yeah, you gotta keep rinsing it God.

I'm sorry type of filtration method that. People should avoid if at all possible and that's called ion exchange. The reason being is that each [00:49:00] of the way proteins. They carry a chemical charge that becomes present when the way is either pushed into being very alkaline or very acidic and so the manufacturers will add certain acids into the whey protein.

To make it more acidic and then run it through an ion exchange method where it results in the Whey proteins being pulled out of this fluid and sticking to these like these electrically charged resins that are on the outside of it. And so it works really well for getting almost pure whey protein but.

The use of chemicals and changing the pH of the way also substantially denatures it there have been some forms of ion exchange that have been developed that don't denature the Whey Protein because they found a way to avoid the use of chemicals. I have yet to figure out if a company. How this would be advertised for [00:50:00] a company.

I haven't found any company that uses it and most companies just use the membrane filtration processes for the sole reason that it's really easy. It's cheap and it does what it needs to do effectively does protein start out as a residual of producing cheese. For the most part, yes, but there has been a growing subset of whey proteins that are where they pull the Whey Protein directly from the milk without it going through the cheese making process this is there any benefit to that over the cheese produced way?

No, no, that's another misconception that people have is that way that is sourced directly from the milk is called native way and Native way is proposed to be superior to whey protein under the premise that the cheese-making process negatively affects the ways bioactive biological activity. But that isn't entirely true why because of [00:51:00] the exposure to the enzymes that create the coagulation of the casing right?

So the entire cheese making process before way gets drained is about 2 hours and the use of the rennet enzyme and the lactic acid bacteria in the time period is not enough to affect the way protein in a negative manner. And even the patented non denatured way use is sourced from cheese-making the caveat being that the cheese making process needs to be sweet cheese way.

So if you were to call up a manufacturer and ask them where they Source their way from you would want to make sure that it's from sweet cheese way. Which is the method that does not appear to denature whey protein. So what so what cheeses are sweet Jesus I could do. We need to know that if in this context this would be anything like cheddar mozzarella basically and [00:52:00] got ricotta.

Ricotta is a sweet cheese. So it would ricotta producer that kind of way as well. Yeah, and the Whey Protein manufacturer will be able to tell you if it's from sweet way or the alternative is acid way acid way is denatured as the name implies. It's because it is sourced from the production of yogurt and acidic cheeses like cottage cheese and cream cheese.

And that's because when you create cottage cheese cream cheese or various yogurts, it requires chemically altering the milks acidity and exposing the milk to high temperatures and both of those denature. The Whey proteins so acid way is a no-go but sweet cheese way is perfectly fine. I just want to throw this in there because it's because of what you just said about yogurt one of the reasons that I'm not a big fan of.

It's because I've always wondered if [00:53:00] they heat it when it's in the little tub before they seal it up because we all talk about BPA and plasticizers and it could very well be that the heated yogurt whether it's put in that thing hot and then sealed up or it's heated in there that we could be exposing ourselves to additional plasticizers.

We don't know about with yogurt. That's a question. I've always wanted to ask somebody but I digress so let's get back on track here. What do you want to talk about anything else about the native versus cheese produced way because I have questions about the different forms of way and whether or not even matters well on I guess from a pragmatic standpoint.

I'm aware of one like a single study that actually compared native whey protein to cheese whey protein. With regards to how they affect muscle protein synthesis and strength [00:54:00] recovery and resistance trained young adults and they both perform the exact same so there is no reason to think that the sweet cheese way would have been denatured given the processing methods it goes through but this kind of serves as a.

From a pragmatic standpoint both are going to have a similar effect on exercise recovery and muscle protein synthesis. So there are lots of different way products out there today. Obviously whey concentrate whey isolate and then whey hydrolysate which came on the scene, I don't know five or six years ago and was supposed to be the best type of way.

Can you describe. How each is different and whether or not it matters to somebody who's trying to use their way protein to add muscle? Yeah, so way concentrate is basically any way protein product that contains less than 80% protein by weight. Whereas whey protein [00:55:00] isolates are. Contain whey protein above 80 and usually above 90% with very little lactose or fat for all pragmatic purposes.

The two are the exact same. It's just that whey isolate is going to contain a small amount. A little less fat and lactose compared to way concentrate. But other than that, they're the exact same they're produced in the exact same method except that whey isolate just goes through smaller holes in the membrane filtration process and that lets that removes more of the lactose and fat.

So there is no difference between them in terms of like denaturation or biological activity. It's just depends on how concentrated you want your whey protein so people who buy flank steak because there's less fat at they pay more than somebody who buys chop me because his 15% fat in it but still beef and that's the that's he how I [00:56:00] would analogize that.

Yeah. Yeah, that's good. When it comes to whey protein hydrolysis those can be made from either way concentrate or whey isolate and these are basically whey proteins I've been predigested. They can be predigested through a variety of methods, but the most common is by using enzymes. To break down the way proteins into smaller peptides which are called hydrolysis.

Hence. Whey protein hydrolysate from a practical standpoint hydrolyzed, whey is often promoted as being Superior because it's absorbed more rapidly than the other way proteins.

But even that point is been contested in the research, when you look at studies evaluating the effect of consuming isolates versus hydrolysates on serum amino acid profiles hydrolysis perform to as they perform the exact same. Yeah because it because in the end your body's doing that it's just.

Taking a little longer for your body to do [00:57:00] it instead of you delivering it in that form out already. Yeah, there's no difference from a practical standpoint and other studies looking at the effects on body composition muscle mass and strength over the long-term have found that supplementing with whey hydrolysate that has the same outcomes as using concentrate or isolate.

So from a practical standpoint hydrolysate is not Superior. To the other forms, even if it might be more expensive in which case you're better off going with a an isolate or concentrate and there's also a gray area something I haven't been able to find any clear-cut answers on is how the hydrolyzing process affects the Shelf.

Well, not the shelf-life. Well, yes, but I was going to say the by the production of bioactive peptides because. Whey protein remember those peptides are produced when our own digestive enzymes break down the Whey Protein molecules, so if [00:58:00] they predigest them then they're going to change how the Whey Protein molecules interact with our own digestive system and some of those bio active peptides May no longer form when we digest it.

But at the same time it is possible that new. Different bio active peptides form from the breakdown that they use because they'll often use enzymes that we don't possess which might so I'm not aware of any data looking at whether the peptides produced from hydrolyzing. Whey protein have a physiological effect in the body.

It's a gray area. And we need to contrast that with the known fact that non denatured. Whey isolates and concentrates do have bio biological activity in the body that is beneficial. So if we just use the precautionary principle, it seems prudent to go with an isolate or a concentrate over hydrolysate if.

Coal is to maximize any potential benefit of [00:59:00] the Whey Protein, so what about fuse me? What about the inclusion of casein, you know, you can also buy milk protein concentrate, which is from bovine. It's about 80% way 20% casing or somewhere around there. There seems to be some information out there that taking way by itself is not as effective at producing a long-term tale of a protein synthetic responses when you do whey and casein together.

Can you speak on that at all? Or it has your research really not even looked at casing know I can definitely talk about that. So unfortunately. The majority of studies that have evaluated milk or milk proteins have compared them to like soy protein or soy Dairy protein blends and I'm aware of only three studies that have actually looked at comparing milk protein blends to actual whey protein and they show that their effects on muscle protein synthesis.

[01:00:00] Are similar during the initial like three hours after you consume them and that supplementing either during resistance training program results in the similar increases in muscle mass and strength. However, there is one study. That was just published this year that. Increased the proportion of way to casing so a typical milk protein isolate or concentrate is going to be 20% Whey protein 80% cases.

I had it backwards in my okay. Sorry because that's the that's the ratio found in cow's milk, right? So these researchers. Instead of using milk protein. They took whey protein and combined it with micellar casein, which is the type of casing found in milk and they combine them into one to one map of blend.

So it would be 50% way 50% casing and they reported that serum amino acid levels Rose. Similarly in the initial three hours after ingesting the supplement but levels [01:01:00] return to Baseline in the Whey Protein group and remained elevated for up to six hours in the blend group. And so from the very limited data that we have available if you're going to be eating soon after you use whey protein like within 3 or 4 hours.

Then either one would be suitable. But if you're going to go for some time Beyond 3 to 4 hours without food then it's probably ideal to use a blend because the casein will digest more slowly and Supply your body with amino acids at a more steady rate. Yeah, and quite frankly, you know, I'm a big fan of using.

A 60/40 blend of 60% way in 40% casein, but the reality is that there's a lot of evidence that the trough the pulse the pulse until nature of protein feeding has more profound effect, you know having mtor turned [01:02:00] on continuously for long periods of time is not as effective as having it turned on and then have it turn off.

And then having a turn back on again and have it turned off. I think that came out of Don Lyman’s Lab at the University of Illinois about five or six years ago. So in the end as you point out, if you're if you're if you're you know, if you're a bodybuilder and you're eating every three hours, I personally think you're probably better off with whey concentrate but if you're an average person you only eating two or three times a day, then I would say something that more resembles a whole milk or 50/50 blend.

It's probably sensible. I want to take a break and when we come back, I'd like you to do your best and to summarizing. You know, what's important. What's not when [01:03:00] looking at a whey protein like a checklist if you will, how about that? Yeah. Okay. I so stay tuned. We'll be right back with more of Alex Leaf.

Welcome back. I've watched Alex Leaf take his rightful place within the Sports Nutrition industry. Take this stuff very seriously. I know he does. He's laying down some wisdom about whey protein probably everybody in this audience spies. Whey protein uses whey protein it's considered a commodity item.

It's so it's so widespread use it's used to so widespread. So what does Alex to when he looks for a way protein? Can you give us some. A short list of things like, you know, I remember and of course, none of your suggestions can take into account in authentic label claims. We've been through that, you know people who've said there's this much protein is actually that much sugar but assuming [01:04:00] that the label claims are accurate do I have to buy the most expensive whey protein out there or is there something to be said for this cheap stuff that you can buy at Walgreens and stuff like that?

Well, I think that the first question anyone needs to ask them self is whether or not the denaturation of whey protein matters to them because if you're using whey protein exclusively as a source of protein then none of this matters and you're fine going out and picking whatever whey protein suits your fancy.

If people do care about the denaturation and maintaining the Integrity of the bio active peptides there is data suggesting that they have benefits for the cardiovascular system, especially on reducing blood pressure and improving endothelial function as well as benefits for the immune system. One of the most notable being that.

The production of precursors for glutathione production [01:05:00] that when these peptides are absorbed intact, they stimulate the body to produce more glutathione in these are gluten meal cysteine peptides. So I think that there is there are definitely benefits to getting a non denatured whey protein the question that.

We don't have an answer to is whether these benefits have any real world relevance to someone who is otherwise healthy. We know that these benefits play out in people who are immunocompromised. I've mentioned HIV patients several times already, but if you're relatively healthy. Then I have no idea if it would benefit you.

I haven't seen any data testing this in healthy people. Well, let's address denaturation for just a second. So everything that you eat becomes denatured in the in the ultra low pH of the stomach in the acids that attack it and break it down. Do we make too much? Of a big deal [01:06:00] about denaturation or do you think that there is some legitimate concern about it sitting on a shelf in a denatured State?

And is it spoiling? I mean what really what impact does denaturation really have isn't it? Actually helping us digest it faster if it's over here little denatured. Yeah. It really depends what you're talking about. So. In the case of eggs, for example, when you heat the egg white and it turns from that liquid into like the rubbery white stuff that is denaturation happening before your eyes.

And when you do that you increase the available protein in that egg white from 50% to above 90%. Because the denaturation that occurs increases our digestive enzymes ability to break down that egg protein when you cook beef you are denaturing it in a manner that has minimal effects on its digestibility.

It might change it might increase the digestibility [01:07:00] by. A couple percentage points, but overall it whether you're eating raw meat or well-done meat it's not going to make a significant difference. What does matter is? How much you chew it because if you're swallowing chunks of steak, then you're not going to be absorbing as much protein as if you were to eat ground beef because your digestive enzymes have less access to that chunk of state and why I love ground beef.

I know steak is great, but I eat two pounds of ground beef a day and have been for months now and I love ground beef for that reason because I know. It's so much easier. I don't have to choose much. I'm always in a hurry. I am that guy Alex. I'm the guy who swallows whole pieces of beef because I'm in a hurry and I'm eating a steak.

You know what I [01:08:00] mean? Yeah, when it comes to whey protein denaturation matters in the sense that the Whey proteins are broken down into peptides. As a result of our digestive processes and some of these peptides have biological activity because they're absorbed intact. If you denature the whey protein before you consume it then our digestive enzymes will act on the Whey proteins in a different way and these bio active peptides might not form when we break down the longer protein strands.

So denaturation does matter the question is to what extent and would it be beneficial or detrimental and it depends on what food you're talking about. So what were you going to say Carl? Well, I was going to ask you so what give me the checklist, right? So if you're walking through a store and you think oh, I'm out of whey protein.

What do you look for you? You [01:09:00] look for a concentrate over an isolate or hydrolysate. I'm thinking you probably do but what else do you look for? How do you how do you read the label that does it that I know that a lot of them will say cross-flow filtrated. Now, I feel really good about that. Now that I understand what it means.

But what else do you look for? What's your checklist? My checklist is contacting the manufacturer, so. I don't think that anyone can tease out the quality of whey protein by looking at a product itself sitting on a shelf because everything that is being advertised is done. So in a way to appeal to the consumer, I think that if someone truly cares about finding a quality whey protein, especially one that is also of quality for their wallet, then it's important.

Do a little digging around to find several products [01:10:00] that appeal to you because of perhaps the ingredients or whether they're isolated or concentrates or hydrolysates, whatever you're looking for. So they meet these Baseline criteria. If you care about it coming from a grass-fed cow then obviously, that's a criteria.

You would want to start with that important to you. Is coming from a grass-fed cow important to you? It is from an ethical standpoint. But in terms of the quality of the Whey Protein the quality of the yeah. It has no effect. And this has been investigated. They have compared conventional versus 100% pasture cows in terms of the proportion of whey protein that is various bio active peptides and there's no effect on that and there is no effect on the proteins digestibility.

So from a nutritional standpoint whey protein, it doesn't matter what type of cow it comes from, but from an ethical standpoint, For me [01:11:00] I do care about getting a grass-fed whey protein. Okay, that's fair. That's fair. So figuring out all those criteria digging around to find some products that meet your that meet those criteria and then contacting the company or digging around on their website to see if they give out more information about the production methods.

It's very important to find out what type of pasteurization they use. If the whey protein is sourced directly from the cow such as native way or directly from the milk, excuse me, or if it comes as a by-product of cheese-making and if so, then is weak sweet way. Yep, sweet way or acid way you want to make sure it's sweet way.

And then what type of filtration method do they use? This is often advertised on the actual container itself, but it's always good to double check whether they use some form of [01:12:00] membrane filtration, like ultra filtration or cross-flow microfiltration and or whether they use ion exchange, which is still in use by some companies and.

Should be avoided I've seen that I've seen ion-exchange way on jugs recently within the past couple months. So I'm not going to name the manufacturer but two years ago. I bought a protein powder from a manufacturer that advertised ion exchange. They advertise that like, it's a good thing. Yeah, and they advertise non denatured whey protein I stopped using them when I started doing my research in the whey protein, And I never gave them a second thought until probably a couple weeks ago.

I saw their product in supplement thing and I was talking to a friend about everything that were discussing now and I was like, oh good. I can use this product as an example. Like there are companies that use it [01:13:00] and they had actually changed their production method. They were now advertising they use membrane filtration.

They no longer used ion Exchange. They must die. They must have got the memo. Yeah, I confirm this with the company because I was curious and they were like, yeah, we kinda screwed up on that one and they realize that ion-exchange denatures whey protein heavily. And so they switch to the membrane method interesting anything you want to round up in summarize here before we end this interview.

You know don't always listen to people trying to sell you stuff, especially when they don't provided references, I guarantee if you go to any way protein site no matter what it is that they say there are not going to be any links to published research to validate their claims. And that's a huge issue.

So don't take them for their word. Because as I [01:14:00] found out doing this research for way, most of their claims are completely bogus and there you have it folks whey protein before you go out and buy more and you know, what you're saying is sensible you do the research and you find a vendor whose product meets your requirements and that's what you buy moving.

You know the people hop, you know, they try this. They try that and you really never know what you're getting. So it makes perfect sense. If it's that important to you. If you're using whey protein a couple times a day to fill in around real food, you've got to put a little work in people don't want to put work into anything.

Everybody just wants it was just tell me what I should buy just hum. And if you're one of those people who you're looking for someone to [01:15:00] tell you what to buy then slick marketing will tell you what to buy and it may not be what you really. So there you have. Yeah, exactly. Look for Alex's articles on examined.com.

He writes prolifically there and you also if you don't know who Alex Leaf is you can friend them on Facebook and he puts up some really great stuff on Facebook. He's very thought-provoking. He does not have an agenda what that I'm sorry. They can also find me at my blog which is just my name.com.

So Alex Leaf.com, I recently started. Blogging they're excellent at are you still doing nutritional counseling? You have a degree as a dietitian, right? Not as a dietitian know I have a master's in nutrition and dietetics but I never pursued becoming an actual dietitian good for you. I went down the research route instead.

So are you still Consulting [01:16:00] for people? Do you do that anymore? Because you had the website Leaf. What was it called leave nutrition was that what it was? Yeah in that now redirects to my blogging website. I don't currently do any Consulting but that might change in the future.

So right now my focus is working for examine blogging at my website. And then I'm also a teaching assistant for the nutrition and functional medicine program at the University of Western States. Where is that? That's important organ. Oh and online program cool that I co-teach with Tim sharp and Chad Messiahs if anyone knows them.

Okay, very cool. Now one last question Thanksgiving is just a couple months away. Let's see September October November. Yes. So will you be consuming a how many pounds of turkey? Will you be consuming this Thanksgiving? I know you have a you have a running challenge for [01:17:00] yourself every single year.

Yeah, so I think for just pragmatic purposes. I've kind of topped out how much I want to eat which is usually like 10 to 12 pounds of turkey just because then that lets me eat other food as well. I got that so last year I ate. So what I started doing last year is I now by two turkeys because my family gets upset at me when I eat all of their turkey and they don't have any left over for lunch meat.

So I by myself my own turkey and then I'll usually get a smaller bird for myself so that I can eat the entire thing and then fill in what they don't eat of there's yeah exactly and then I'll eat other Foods as well. But last year I believe. The I have it up on Facebook pictures of it and [01:18:00] I think the amount of protein I ate in the meal was like 1200 grams.

And when I add at all, I'm sure that when you posted that someone somewhere had to post, you know, you can't utilize more than 30 grams per City. Bright to which I always said did anybody tell our ancestors our caveman ancestors that because she they consumed a lot of protein in every sitting.

Yeah. Where did that know? What's up? Where did that stupid idea come from? I think it's was just a misrepresentation of the research showing that muscle protein synthesis is maxed out and they took it to mean digestion, which is completely false the. What's really cool is that the body will not only slow digestion down to make sure that protein isn't wasted but the intestinal cells will hold on to the amino acids that you absorb and [01:19:00] release them at a steady rate into the bloodstream.

So even after you've digested the entire meal a lot of that proteins going to be sitting inside intestinal cells that will release that the amino acids into the bloodstream at a slower rate body does not waste the Protein. That's the bottom line and that should tell you something when people talk about what macronutrient is important and which one isn't the body will not waste.

You know, very true the fact that it increases satiety tells us that the body wants a certain amount of protein at a given sitting and that's why people can eat 16 bags of potato chips in each 16 more but you eat two steaks and you're done. That's it. So Alex, it's always a pleasure to have you on let's not do it.

Let's not wait so long next time, h? Yeah. Definitely. Okay. Talk [01:20:00] to you soon. Bye. All right. Take care. We're gonna take a quick commercial break. I got to come back and mention a couple things. We were supposed to have Shannon Penna on today. I know that I advertise that we were going to have her on today and she's actually going to be on tomorrow, but I want to tell you about some other shows that are coming up stay tuned.

Welcome back. So yesterday I said that Shannon pain would be on today and I actually didn't realize that we already had a show a couple interviews book today and she was gracious enough to move the tomorrow. So she'll be on tomorrow at noon and she's going to talk about the birth giving birth to question nutrition and what you're going to find out about Shannon and she is very honest about her.

That she actually did [01:21:00] create the quest bar and start selling it way before there was truly a Quest Nutrition and she was everything she was making them. She was selling them and she was shipping them and she was doing social media and but she'll tell you like she didn't want to run a company and she was just doing this because her clients and herself needed.

A healthy alternative because they were dieting for competitions whatever a low-carb alternative something that tasted good that they could fill in with a meal and she really created it from scratch. So it's going to talk about that tomorrow next week. We got a couple really amazing interviews, you know.

I'm 60 years old and I got some broken parts and I know a lot of good things about how to slow aging right exercise and a bit and fasting, you know, low carb diets blah blah, [01:22:00] but what if you already aged a little bit and you want to reverse it? This is really where the magic of the anti-aging Community needs to go.

There's lots of people out there that will tell you how to age better. So if you do these things you'll stay healthy longer but what everyone really wants to know is how do you turn back the clock on a cellular level? How do you reverse cellular senescence and my research keeps pointing to the immune system?

And we have some really great. Interviews coming up in the next three weeks two of them are next week. We're going to actually look at things that you can do to reverse aging not just to slow it not just to stop it. But to turn it back they do exists. There are things that you can do that [01:23:00] can actually reverse aging, you know, I'm all about that because I'm old and I don't want to get much older.

I'd like to try to slow the process down so. I'm hoping that we deliver some great information that you feel compelled to pass around to everyone, you know, and that's all coming next week. So tomorrow Shannon you're in pain will be on we're going to talk about how Quest got started. And also what she's up to right now because she hasn't stopped.

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