[00:00:00] Welcome back to another episode of super human radio as usual. We have probably a very interesting discussion. You're not going to hear anybody else's podcast. I can assure you of that. We are I've worked very hard to differentiate the content when it comes to the ketogenic diet because there's plenty of zealots out there and quite frankly people who just get it completely wrong.

I've tried to contribute some balance to the discussion. We've talked about the appropriateness of being in ketosis from a hunter-gatherer standpoint. We talked about the risks of having Offspring while in ketosis the potential for epigenetic inheritance unwanted effects passed on to your children.

You know, we love to say food as medicine, but then we acknowledge ignore the fact that you wouldn't abuse medicine and yet so many [00:01:00] people abuse food and quite frankly the ketogenic diet stands to become the next vegan diet because there's so many zealots and I'm sorry to use this word, but there's a lot of idiots out there.

They just doing stupider and stupider stuff. The name of the ketogenic diet the man who broke the news on this show that beef is the only food that actually increases telomere length that apparently the mainstream media ignores is going to be with me in just a moment. And that's Patrick Dolan from black belt nutrition before we do that.

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What are you most passionate about right now? Because I know. Patrick is an exact example of what we looking for in nutrition today and that is sensibility and open-mindedness and not an agenda driven. So it's Kettle or nothing type of a thing and as a result of that Patrick's research is always exciting always fresh always new and always changes the discussion.

So when Patrick said he want [00:03:00] to come on and talk about keto again. I was like, really. Is there anything new and Patrick of course says, oh my goodness. There's so much new stuff that no one is talking about to that's we're going to talk about today. So, where would you like to start? Would you like to start with a basic introduction to ketosis so that people who aren't aware can kind of come up to speed very quickly.

Yes. I think that would be a good start so. Ketosis is something that occurs when you don't have enough carbohydrates, for example, if you eat a low-carb diet or if you're simply fasting, you don't have any access to carbohydrates. And the reason for this is that most of your body can use sugars and fat to burn as fuel.

However, fat cannot really reach to the brain. So the brain is dependent on glucose. So in absence of carbohydrates, the body needs to get fat [00:04:00] to our brain simply because fat is the way we store energy. Even if you're very lean, most of the engineer you have stored on the body is in form of effort.

We can store much just carbohydrates. Mr. Summers protein but that is mainly in the muscles and the body really depends that the body doesn't want you to burn muscle simply because from evolutionary perspective if you become weak you become food. Now if you become weak you become food. I want to quote you.

That's great. I know I believe that too. Okay, so when we look at energy reserves in general the. Form of energy reserves comes in the form of fats bonded Two Sugars, right? These are these are triglycerides right or triglycerol, right? Yeah, so they bonded to a glycerol, which formally speaking is a sugar alcohol and not a pure sugar right and this presents the greatest Reserve in our body for right because we [00:05:00] only about one percent of our energy reserves can be derived from muscle glycogen and liver glycogen.

Yeah, that's correct. And our body also can use amino acids. But yeah, those amino acids must undergo a gluconeogenesis and a lot of people within the ketogenic Community avoid protein. Because they're afraid it's going to turn into sugar but gluconeogenesis is a very expensive metabolically expensive process the possibility of eating a steak and seeing glucose levels rise to the equivalent of eating white bread.

That's just ridiculous as a. Yeah, seriously it is if you if you have some metabolic syndrome like Diabetes Type 2 it could be different but generally speaking protein the body doesn't want to convert protein too fat or carbohydrates. That is why it produces ketones instead from the first because that is the primary energy storage.

Now, would you agree with this statement? I've been proposing this on the show now for a long time. Everybody feels [00:06:00] that the ketogenic diet has to be done this way or that way but isn't it true that any diet that produces ketones technically is a ketogenic diet. So even some high protein diets are ketogenic right in did show I mean as with any diet you can do the vegan diet in ten different ways.

So can you do with the key ketogeni diet? So the reality is that and would you also grew agree? What some of the concepts that I promoted in the recent past with Joel green that that the need to be in these ridiculously high levels of Ketone production, you know, two three four millimole that people are striving for it's almost like a contest now who can be in the deepest ketosis these may not be more beneficial unless you're fighting cancer.

Or seizures, but for the average of metabolically flexible person being in half to one millimole of Ketone production is probably adequate to [00:07:00] feel the benefits that we're going to discuss about being in ketosis, right? Yeah, that's true. It's not like science know the exact level which is the optimum.

Everyone makes up their own kind of this is stopped my ketosis, but what we do know is that. Most triggers ketones to trigger a number of genetic expressions and so on most triggers starts at around Point 5 to point 7 millimolar and one more one more supposition that I want you to correct me on but I stopped eating at 6 p.m.

At night and I don't eat again until I after I train I just actually ate my second post workout meal moments before the show. So I averaged a good 16 hour fast every single day. When I wake up in the morning, my blood sugar is anywhere from sixty seven milligrams to 72 and my Ketone levels are anywhere from half a millimole to .7 .

So I am probably an example of [00:08:00] what would we would consider a metabolically flexible person. I can produce ketones on demand very quickly. And I can train fasted. I don't get week. I don't get lightheaded. So I I have actually exploited our evolutionary gift have I not. Yes, indeed true for people that haven't been in ketosis.

Well, most of us have been that when we were born, but besides that if you asked eat carbohydrates every third hour for your entire life, it might take several weeks to wake up this genetic code for the first time. But once you've done it and done it multiple times the body will be Foster and Foster to adopt, okay.

So now let's talk about the next topic that you want to cover which is the macronutrient formula is that maintain a ketogenic diet? Okay. So in order to actually eat in a way in order to get into and stay in ketosis, what are the ratios [00:09:00] considered as the so this is a question. You can understand the number of ways, but from.

Mitigate metabolic point of view you need about a hundred twenty grams of sugars a day in form of glucose for the brain mainly when you're not in ketosis, so if the gluconeogenic substrate, so that is anything that be converted to carbohydrate is if that is lower than 120 grams the boat they will consider to start abuse juice ketones to cover up for this Gap.

So basically you take the carbohydrates you eat. Let's say you eat 50 grams of carbohydrates. Then you have 50 grams right there and also sugar alcohols need to be included here because they are directly converted to sugar as the really sort. Oh, yeah, wait a minute. I don't want to gloss over this because a lot of ketogenic dessert products use sugar alcohols to sweeten them.

So you're saying to me I know that in a in a [00:10:00] ketogenic state that sugar alcohols equal. Yes, even if you're not in nicotiana state because when you take the sugar and oxidize it oxidizes it you get a sugar alcohol. The first thing the body will do in the body simply to reverse that reaction and turn and turn it back to the original sugar.

That is the first step of all virtual over showgirl course editorial is different because the body cannot utilize it but pretty much everything is else the body can utilize. So people who are in the ketogenic diet who will gobbling down keto desserts that a high fat and hot have very very high levels of sugar alcohol and doing themselves a great disservice.

Yeah. I mean when I work with clients, which I do sometimes. Anytime anyone says they are following a strict key to diet but don't have any ketones sugar alcohols is the most common mistake people do that. They pounding this sugar alcohols, [00:11:00] but you have to count them as carbohydrates interesting.

Okay, I so now let's talk about protein and and gluconeogenesis one more time for a second in the context of okay. So if I'm eating 30 grams of carbohydrates a day and I am. Not eating any sugar alcohols. Let's just say but I am eating 250 grams of protein a day in the in the form of Whole Foods beef chicken eggs that sort of stuff will my body just top off between the 30 and 120 or will it actually produce a lot more glucose from the protein?

I'm eating thus kicking me out of ketosis. Normally if you if you. Don't have any metabolic syndrome or so, the body will just take a part of the protein and converted and this is the tricky part because this ratio of how much the body of how much of the protein the body tags to make carbohydrates of this ratio is [00:12:00] very different from person to person for carbohydrates.

We know with virtual hundred percent prepared. We know it's about 10% but for protein, It can be anything from CO2 not 100 percent but very high up. If for example for some people that have type 2 diabetes, they convert protein to Blue Cross variously and that makes sense because to them 120 grams of sugar a day or glucose a day is not enough to power their brain because their brain is also insulin resistant.

So the brain is going to keep on turning on Google neo genesis until it's satisfied. That's interesting. So. When we look at people who are already metabolically deranged higher protein intake may not be great for them. At least not initially if you start with the low protein content get into ketosis and Willow, I mean, perhaps one gram per kilogram of body weight.

Get it to watch this then you can increase is and see if [00:13:00] you get kicked out or not. Many people can go at 2 and 3 grams of grams of protein per kilo body weight without getting kicked out but that usually is for people that are training if you're just sitting home watching TV, you probably to stick to one gram.

Okay? Okay. So now let's talk about macro nutrient profiles for a second. There's lots of different ketogenic diets out there. But in the meantime. To go back to my earlier statement any diet that promotes the production of ketones is the ketogenic diet. But some people want to be in the one and a half or two millimole range of ketones a day.

I don't know why I don't know. Is there a benefit to me and who benefits from being at point seven verses to millimoles?

They might be medical reasons, for example, if you're fighting cancer epilepsy. If you are also an endurance athlete at that want to use ketones [00:14:00] as primary fuel when you're running for five hours or 10 hours or something like that. Then the level will also have be important because if you have been into 34 millimeters, you will have more energy compared to if you don't need one.

Yeah, but wait a minute if I'm metabolically flexible. I don't have type 2 diabetes. I'm not metabolically deranged and I'm cruising around most days at point seven to one millimole, but now I start to run for two hours and I'm not eating carbohydrates during this run won't my body naturally up regulate the production of Ketone bodies to satisfy my need for energy.

That isn't the truth. You need to check when you're exercising. If you want to know how much energy you're taking from ketones when you're exercising. So that is indeed true. It's just as blood sugar blood sugar. You might have a low blood sugar. But if you start to do an aerobic exercise [00:15:00] to blood sugar will go up.

Yeah, right because the body during right the body will get you some sugar, right? Yeah interesting. So what so what do you find the ideal ratios? Of carbohydrates protein and fat as compared to the way people mostly eat on the western diet. I tend to be a little bit careful to say what is the optimal ratio one thing that I like with a kitchenette deities that it is the only diet that you can measure and see if you're complying to it or not.

If someone comes to me and they try to lose weight and they use a low-fat diet or vegan diet or the chemical index diet. Whatever. And they say they stick to it. I cannot check if they stick to it or not. If they say they weren't going to get unique diet. We can take a blood sample and see if they're sticking to the diet or not.

[00:16:00] Yeah, because obviously if they're not producing keto but there are people out there who eat high fat very low carbohydrate very low protein diet. But yet they still tend not to be able to lose body fat. Is there a is there a reason for that? I see this often now. The most common reason is that people aren't in ketosis to start with and if you're not in ketosis, the body will have to take much more protein and converted to cook two glucose compared to if you are in ketosis because when you start to produce ketones.

I said before that your daily need is about 220 grams of glucose. But when you produce ketones you producing like 70 or 80 grams of key things a day. So that means that suddenly you will need for glucose is only for 250 grams it decreases. So that means that the body doesn't need to take protein to convert to [00:17:00] glucose.

So being a Couture this approximate you save about 70 to 100 grams of protein. Available protein to build muscle for example. So if you're eating 100 gram of protein and are not think it was his and I need 100 grams of protein and the common catalysis that corresponds to 200 grams of protein. You not think it also just save about 100 grams of protein when the ketones kick it kicks in.

Oh, wow. That's interesting. And then that is why some researchers say that you don't need to eat much protein because the body is the variable protein would be much higher. But of course you can do that. If you are less you have Amazon metabolic syndrome. So you just converted to Sugar.

Yes. That's right. It gets its gets siphoned off. So do we see any crossover from? The research on fasted exercise fasted training and even multiple day fasts and what happens based on your [00:18:00] ability to produce Ketone bodies. So for instance like dr. Stuart Phillips group and McMasters University we talked about the study many years ago showed that Amino.

Pools are recycled after resistance training while fasted but does that happen with the metabolically compromised person because they're going to turn those amino acids into sugar. Yeah, that's true. You need I mean if you're not eating enough protein or if you are fasting the body tries to recycle, I mean as it but it can only do that to a great extent if you were to have ketones in the game because without the ketones the body will lack 120 grams of carbohydrates a day, which is needs to take some proteins.

It means it will take 100 champ 20 grams of protein from your a day just to reduce the carbohydrates. If you're fostered, but if you have ketones the requirements for glucose decrease and then the body will recycle much more amino [00:19:00] acids, you know something else I'm starting to wonder about but I wonder if you know when we talk about Ketone bodies.

I'm going to talk about Ketone synthesis now, but we talk about Ketone bodies. These are all acidic. These are all acids, right? And I'm just wondering if metabolic acidosis in someone whose long-term ketogenic is a concern because they're not getting a lot of the minerals that definitely not getting bicarbonate from their diet.

If all they're eating is high fat and protein and some protein do we do we need to be concerned about metabolic acidosis when someone is even metabolically flexible, but on a long-term ketogenic. It's supposed to be we don't have any clinical trials from for decades of eating ketogenic diet. We have some people some that are eating this way, but they haven't really been followed in the control way generally speaking if you have normal levels of ketones and there's two ketones.

The first [00:20:00] one that is produced is acetoacetate and that comes from something called acetyl coenzyme a that is the first step in ketosis and from us it acetate beta-hydroxybutyrate is formed. So this is a linear chain of reactions that take place. And beat the docks a bit rate. It's not that acidic that is why it is the primary ketone acetate is more acidic but you can have levels basic if you could sugars if you have 50 mL of sugar is that healthy notes not it's the same ketones if you have 50 mL of ketones.

It's not healthy. The range is are pretty much the same for what is good or perhaps bird for your interest? Wow, and then acetone is actually a byproduct of acetoacetate and that's what you expel in your lungs where people use breathing to evaluate their Ketone levels. Indeed correct. So acetone acetoacetate isn't perfectly stable.

So it splits in half [00:21:00] and then acetone is formed which is good because then we can easily measure it through the lungs as you say, but when you do this breathing meters what your see you're mashing acetone, but what you're seeing indirectly is the level of acetoacetate not beat the hydroxyl butyrate and that's very important to remember because.

There are two different the ketones and the regulated very differently Peter doc said bit rate is regulated both from internal mechanism in the cell, but also from hormonal mechanism like insulin. We're a citrusy Tate is not so much influenced by hormones. So you can't get stuck in a state where you only have a set us at eight, but then you have high incidence.

You don't get any better looks a bit rate. For example, you know, there's several people including dr. D'Agostino have done this experiment in house where they've taken Ketone esters. And Insulin at the same time and actually gotten blood glucose [00:22:00] levels down to 40 milligrams, which is normally where I mean you'd be in a diabetic coma if you had blood sugar levels of 40 milligrams per liter, but by elevating the ketones they were stable the and some scientists did this many years ago and I think Dominic just reproduce the results.

ISM do you think that type 1 diabetics would benefit from either Ketone supplements or the ketogenic diet if it requires less insulin to be stable at least connect? I it there are some research on diabetes and it seems to be one of the better ways to reverse diabetes. You know. Nobody had one hot type 1 diabetes is complete failure of the pancreas then that they're not producing any insulin anymore.

No, did you ask about type 2 or type 1 by type one? I said type 1 do you think type 1 diabetes? If a person eats more ketogenic lie that they would have a more stable [00:23:00] lower use of exogenous insulin. Obviously more stable blood sugar if they ate ketogenic lie because the presence of ketones would lower the requirement for.

Yeah, I believe so. But I have to say there is not much clinical trials done in this area. You will of course have to be careful to not and drink yet acidosis if you have type 1 diabetes, but personally, I believe it will be beneficial. So they give us give us the 30,000 foot view of the biochemistry of what happens when our body starts to produce ketones.

Nestle have in the cell you have carbohydrates and fat and carbohydrates go through the glycolysis, which is 10 chemical stats steps and fat comes the different way, but they all go to one Santa molecule, which is called acetyl coenzyme a. And here the body decides if you have plenty of carbohydrates, it will take one path and burn the carbohydrates if you have more fat than [00:24:00] carbohydrates and it actually looks at the ratio not only how much carbohydrate you about that the ratio that is why medium chain triglycerides can trigger Ketone production the course they go very quickly into the cell and shift the ratio despite that you're eating carbohydrates.

It shipped straight through temporary and start to produce ketones. So the body decides is in the cell, but. Also some hormonal regulation involved in it as well and the body always Burns carbohydrates first simply because you cannot store them. And it's often that I hear both the medical people and from others.

That insulin is the key to weight loss. And I'll get the key to everything but insulin is a hormone and hormones are messengers. It's not really the root cause of anything because if you change your carbohydrates to fructose the something that doesn't release much insulin.

The body will still behave exactly the same way with the [00:25:00] without insulin see if this carbohydrate present the body will burn them farts simply because it cannot store them. It knows it has very limited storage of carbohydrates. It burns it first. Otherwise, it won't have to waste it if it starts to burn fat and then it has carbohydrates over which it can store it.

You won't have to pick them out and from an evolutionary perspective that is not wise today. Perhaps it will be but not true. This is not already signed. Okay, so we're going to wrap up in a second. This is the primer of what ketosis is for people who are still learning about the ketogenic diet and there's still a lot of people out there but a couple questions I want to wrap up with so growth hormone and acetyl-l-carnitine have bone been shown to cause a both a substrate shift by the mitochondria to prefer triglycerol.

And also in the case of growth [00:26:00] hormone actually shuttle the triglycerides in to the mitochondria. So would these two things be beneficial for someone who wants to jump start and maintain a ketogenic state? And yes, if you just look at the biochemistry answer will be yes. I do. I know if there's anyone have that have tested this.

I actually don't know if he's just been conducted in early and research. Okay. Okay, and then lastly one day I went to the gym Patrick and I accidentally took a high dose of niacin nicotinic acid and beta alanine and I went to the gym. And I went into what could only be called a hypoglycemic danger stage.

I had to lay down on a bench. I was Dripping sweat. I was shaking I was weak. I couldn't move probably for real-time 15 minutes and then I realized what I had done nicotinic acid sequester's free fatty acids in the liver keeps the body the liver from releasing free [00:27:00] fatty. Beta alanine actually drives glucose out of the bloodstream.

So I drove both fat and glucose out of my bloodstream simultaneously in that experiment. I realize that nicotinic acid is probably not a good idea to take if you are striving to be in ketosis because. Changes the way the liver releases free fatty acids any information on nicotinic acid and ketosis and not to my knowledge if you look at clinical testing in humans, but what you say are are making sense I can.

I can agree with that. Okay. I want to take a quick commercial break and when we come back, I want to start to talk about some of the new and emerging research if those of you out there who are using aspartame, especially and some. Digestant resistant fibers while eating a ketogenic diet. You're going to want to listen very hard to what Patrick has to say.

Patrick's website is http://blackbeltnutrition.org . [00:28:00]. The slide presentation that you sent me right Patrick. Can I release that? Okay, so we're going to have a very a very well done very thorough slide presentation, but don't none of you none of you Kettle zealots steal it and change the name on it.

That's all I'm saying right now stay tuned. We'll be right back. Welcome back. There's a lot of idiocy out there about the ketogenic diet. I see people on Facebook. I've been eating keto for seven months now. I can't lose any weight. My hair's falling out and people going increase your fat people are going I'm getting depressed on this diet take Lipitor know if the diet does those things to you?

Don't eat that way. I mean if this is a very individual thing like all diet is and getting it right [00:29:00] is important, but the zealots they take everything to an extreme. And that's dangerous. So let's talk about lifespan studies and the ketogenic diet and then I have some theories on why it works out the way it does talk about that Patrick.

Did I lose you Patrick

Patrick. Can you hear me? Did you mute Patrick? Okay, let's play a little music. Hold on a.

Do you have the car? Yeah, I can hear you now. We just have to reconnect it happens. Okay. So let's talk about the ketogenic diet and lifespan first and I have some opinions of why these things work out the way they do but go ahead please. Yes, quite recent to the burden to my studies on lifespan and Catering diet.

And this is quite interesting before because so far all studies in both and human and animals. They've been quite limited to two weeks to months some have been few years. So [00:30:00] these two studies that came out with in a recent year here. They're both the first of its kind and the entire software quite interesting in particular if you consider that.

If you put some ice on academic diet and look at the 10 most important Health parameters, I mean, you might discuss what these are but let's assume we agree on that but half of them improve and other hot actually does not improve they get worse only human on the other hand about nine of them improve and perhaps one get worse.

So my starting to as well as we do now I died we know that but once again, this is a lifelong study or two of them actually and some very interesting things happened here one is that premature death or diseases decreased both cancer, but also are the type of diseases. So the average lifespan increased in these mice they live longer than their peers who go [00:31:00] to regular My Style.

What was interesting in that in one of the studies the maximal life length also increased in the other didn't another one of the orbit increased because of less early death, but in one of them also the oldest get became even older and the difference was about twelve percent. So that's the significant.

I mean, we can't tell ya we can translate that to humans, but it will be like eight years if we called but it's not a linear translation between mice and humans. That's very interesting. But we also know that you can do that with this with your calorie restriction will have approximately yeah effect.

Yes. Yes. And this is this is my supposition the ketogenic diet is so the shear through. Okay. Let me back up the greatest example of our immune system is the fact that we could eat a piece of dead animal and it doesn't kill us we [00:32:00] can extract the nutrition from it and pass all the bad things out.

And the sheer throughput of calories the volume of food put a wear and tear on our immune system. So inevitably people on the ketogenic diet in my humble opinion lose weight when they do lose weight on the ketogenic diet because they're literally eating less energy day in and day out and this is calorie restriction the same way that intermittent fasting extends life.

Because ultimately it's time to calorie restriction so calorie restriction or as Ron Penna likes to say starvation is very strong medicine. We don't think of it that way but it really is I think the ketogenic diet does these things because people end up just simply eating less? What do you think about that statement?

What is true that usually you eat last? I mean if you're losing weight One Way rather you have to you can't you can't cheat on the loss [00:33:00] of energy. But what the question is, what will the body do with this energy difference will it eat your muscles or your fart or your brain or what? Will it do?

And one thing that was very different in this kit young study compared to other side is where the abuse just duration as method is that in this direction? Thought is people become more people while the animals mainly become weak. They also lose some muscle mass. So they live longer but they are little bit inactive.

They lose some muscle on strong and so on this didn't happen on the ketogenic diet. The lean body mass was higher in the my sister lived on the ketogenic diet entire life compared to their peers who eat regular My Style. Interesting, but you know regular the regular Mouse diet that we feed mice in cages is very different than what might eat in the wild.

So, we really we really need to [00:34:00] look at wild mice, you know tag some wild mice and watch what happens to them. But the other thing about the other thing that's interesting is this when everybody came out about five years ago. Four years ago and said o metformin is the new anti-aging drug. I said, this is a very dangerous concept because metformin shuts down the mammalian Target of rapamycin and skeletal muscle so you can have people who live long but they can't get out of a chair because they've undergone muscle-wasting for 30 years of their lives, but the interesting thing about the ketogenic diet, is that while it does have an effect on mtor 1C.

In the liver, it does not have that effect in muscle. Isn't that correct? Yeah, that's correct. And that's probably what is behind this very Sensational result. They were good that you increase lifespan and you increase the lean body mass and they also tested these mice for [00:35:00] strength and endurance and there was stronger and had more endurance at old age compared to the peers and the Kia probably is mtor signaling because.

If you decrease that, you should expect a longer life but to become weak and fragile. So what the kit unit type does is that it decreases in the liver where you wanted to perhaps not be too hello, but it actually increases it in the muscle and this would be a dream for any pharmaceutical company to come up with a drug that can do.

All right, good luck with that. And I think there's one other thing that hasn't been documented in research yet. But I predict in the upcoming year or two. We're going to learn this. So what I've discovered is lifespan and health span go hand-in-hand when the innate and adaptive immune system are allowed to rest more often than fighting the immune system fights Wars and if the immune system is [00:36:00] fighting all the time.

Because you eat foods that you're mildly allergic to but you don't care and you do things that you are mildly allergic to and you don't care and you come in contact with thing and your immune system is always fighting a war this depletes resources and it shortens both lifespan and health span. I'm convinced of this now and I'm getting ready to do a show on the drug rapper myosin to actually extend life and reverse aging.

It's an exciting show. The doctor wants to be. He wants to be anonymous because he's quite afraid about talking about this. He's been doing this for eight years now with patients, but that's another story. What I've come to the conclusion also is intermittent fasting and even long-term fasting has been associated with a quote-unquote weakening of the immune system.

The ketogenic diet is also associated with a weakening of the immune system. And guess what? So is the carnivore [00:37:00] diet all you eat is meat them immune system gets weaker. But what we call weaker is actually a balancing see people go and take stuff. They go. Oh, this is an immune system booster. Why do you want to make the Army that's killing you stronger.

If you have an autoimmune disorder. The last thing you want to do is make your immune system stronger and quite frankly. I'm very convinced. That the autoimmunity is a bigger killer today than heart disease because it's fragmented into a variety of other diseases like rheumatoid arthritis psoriatic arthritis Hashimoto's disease and all these other diseases that all start with autoimmunity.

The reality is that I believe that through its indirect calorie restriction and the avoidance of. Starchy carbohydrates and things that seem to feed bad microbes in the gut this diet has a direct effect on the immune system by letting it take a day off every so often. What do you think about [00:38:00] my assertions just now?

No, I perfectly agree with it that that the immune system if it has to fight all day long, it will be one out here you can so when you talk about strong. Human system of week. You can also talk about relaxed immune system is if you look at the good fighter boxer, I'm a fighter he or she is relaxed until that person hits done it.

It's really hard. You mean system should be the same way to be relaxed not scared like Smalley rabbit right answer all the time. That's a great analogy. And that's exactly what I'm coming to the conclusion of the people who have immune issues. They are in Greater Danger. And the ketogenic diet and intermittent fasting and even training.

Look how many of us have heard stories about Olympic athletes that the harder they trained and they get sick more often because the immune system is so busy fixing the [00:39:00] body from the training that has no time to do anything else so they get colds more often and so on. This is not a bad thing.

In fact more evidence of this was a show that I did about four years ago. About Doctor Who was in Mexico who was putting parasites in people to get their immune system diseases to go away because when the immune system was busy fighting the tapeworm, it wasn't destroying the thyroid and Hashimoto's disease.

I'm telling you folks years from now. We're going to realize the gut and the immune. Is the answer to longer healthier life span and it's not about making it stronger. It's about making it relax. So in the bottom line is both the strength endurance went up in these rodents and their lifespan went up in these rodents.

But are you a proponent of lifelong ketogenic diets for humans? Well, we don't have the bed evidence for that in [00:40:00] humans yet. So but I'm kind of splitting my thoughts because from a biochemical point of view. Ketosis is has been perfected very much even more than the digestion of carbohydrates.

If you look at the biochemistry of each pathway is just so perfect and we don't really know why that is if we're if it really is the diaper supposed to eat or if it is some other reason behind it. But if you look at the physiological features logical entity cleaning Trials of. Yeah, there might be some implication eating kitchen decor life.

You might easily get deprived or get short on Summoners and so on perhaps acidic environment also, even though I think that is to some extent misunderstood because you don't use mineral to buffer acid as it is regulated by breathing too sick to survivors on right so. But there is also one other at study where they looked at a cyclic chronic diet whether it [00:41:00] be in ketosis for one week and then they didn't for one week and I think that's kind of interesting because that will give you some hint about if you really need to be getting a call your life or if you can be it on or off and this study also had benefits in particular on the orbit lifespan.

So they were less premature deaths due to disease the cyclic kitchenette diet in these mice didn't. Maximum life span, but it did increase the orbit lifespan simply because everyone lived to an old age and time or at the same time. Okay, so I did a show probably in 2007 with a Harvard trained scientist who came on my show and said that glucose signaling is what causes cellular senescence.

Very simple content concept glucose silica signaling is a response to glucose being introduced into the bloodstream. And when that happens, they the cells actually age faster. So what if the real [00:42:00] answer to all of this Patrick is from an evolutionary perspective, we probably first of all we didn't have access to.

Foods, that would be considered carbohydrates except seasonally in spring and summer number two the foods that we would have eaten probably weren't grains because we didn't know how to grind them up, but they would tubers and they weren't legumes because you had a boil them and green vegetables.

The reality is that our diet has shifted to a much more starchy sugary. Carbohydrate based diet year-round. What if the answer is what unfortunately we have to call it a low carbohydrate diet because if you're eating green leafy vegetables as your carbs, you're just can't eat a lot of them. But what if the answer is eating more ancestral diet with a lot of green leafy vegetables and doing it seasonally and as a result of that.

You are producing Ketone bodies most of the time like I did, you [00:43:00] know, I stopped at six o'clock. I eat in the morning after training. I'm producing .7 millimoles in the morning when I get up what if the answer is just eliminating the starchy and cereal grains that the government keeps telling us should be the foundation of our diet.

Yeah, you have a point there that basically all diets that in one way or another mimic our evolutionary diet. It is could be by eating pattern or equal B by refined and not to find food or it could be by lower high carbohydrates all of these diets that mimic our ancestor way of eating they extend health spend and quite often also lifespan.

And I'm a big proponent of you know, dr. Mauro DiPasquale is the one who taught me about phasic diets. He looks at and says our ancestors to say, you know, if they killed the woolly mammoth, they ate that until it was gone, you know, if they if in [00:44:00] the winter time there were no vegetables to eat and the winter and in the summer time, they would eat vegetables, but they preferred to eat.

Animal protein because that was the most nourishing and you know, I think that the cyclicity of a diet may be just as important as the macro nutrients that make it up. I think we're going to learn more about that as time comes on. I want to talk about when we come back. I want to talk about digestion resistant starches and high-fat diets.

Okay, because that's another thing that we see a lot of. In quote unquote Keto Foods today stay tuned.

Welcome back to super human radio was talking with Patrick Dolan. His website is black belt nutrition dot org and on the Super human radio dotnet. Website on the page where the show is listed you'll be able to get a copy of his PowerPoint presentation where he covers in depth the [00:45:00] effects of the ketogenic diet on strength increases for strength athletes and so on very interesting stuff and we'll try to get to that before the end of this interview, but there's two other things.

I really want to talk about first digestion resistant starches have all become just the rage today people are pounding them down more and more frequently. But if you're in ketosis is this a bad idea talk about the relationship between the ketogenic diet digestant resistant starches and tmao, which we know now is an indicator of heart disease.

Yes, so this is. Something to look out for if you're going on in any high fat diet. It doesn't have to be a ketogenic diet that this three material and oxide. We know in animal studies that it actually can cause heart disease and in humans so far. We only have the correlation but it's not often we can even show [00:46:00] the causality in rodent studies.

It's something look out work and the combination of resistant starch and resistant starch is kind of a fiber that you most magnify naturally when you eat an apple or vegetable in general. They are essentially these sugars connected with the chemical bond different chemical bond than our enzymes can.

Can't leave can split. However if the gut microbiota is little bit more stubborn. So they continue to buy these until they can split them and then they eat this. Resistant starch actually does not consist of a different bond between the sugar molecules. It's just that they have unfolded in a very sour enzymes can't really reach them.

But this is temperature dependent so it could be that when you drink a glass of cold water it is resistant starch. In the stomach half of it isn't any longer and down in your digestive system. The bugs have a big part of all the processed carbs. [00:47:00] They got because resistant starch basically is processed carbs for your microbiota.

It's different from fibers, but it is kind of a fiber but here's Andy, but he but I want to throw something in right here the whole hold your thought don't lose your track. Here. We are now dealing with the population. That has small intestinal bacterial overgrowth and quite often these digestion resistant starches which normally ferment in the large intestine and the colon are now fermenting Upstream in the small intestine.

We don't know the contribution of sibo to this phenomenon that were talking about right now. It could very well be that people have sibo will develop a cardiovascular risk correlation faster because. They are just producing so much more tmao in the small. Yeah, that's true. We totally depends where you have the bacteria, right?

But what I've been seeing here is that when you're in high-fat low-carbohydrate diet in particular then if you take resistant [00:48:00] starch, you will produce much more TMA which is non turn to tmao and that is that is something to be concerned about I think because even though tmao is quite new indicator.

It seems that there are some evidence behind it some causative evidence. We don't know exactly why it cause this and it probably doesn't cause heart disease. Any time there are probably some other factors involved here and one reason why I believe that is because one of the major drivers of tmao if you look at the regular doctor exactly fish consumption all vegans talk about meat consumption, but fish is tenfold more drives up TMO temples more than meters and we don't really see that fish consumers go and drop dead that prematurely due to heart disease.

Save me though there might be a causal link. It seems to be that there might be some other cool factor that needs to be in or out for intercourse or [00:49:00] diseases. But still I am not sure I will take the chance and he found in lots of resistance fiber if I were on a high fat low carb diet because we do see that it produced here, but the big about from an evolutionary perspective think about the inappropriateness of being on a high fat very low carb.

I heart carbohydrate diet and having digestive. Resistant starches, you wouldn't get those digestion resistant starches unless you eating potatoes and legumes and corn. So so think about this where we're avoiding potatoes legumes and corn but then artificially feeding ourselves in manufactured products fibers, that would have been present in those.

We don't understand what the ramifications of. Doing that as well because that is so antithetical to our evolutionary Journey. We would have never gotten those starches unless who eating tubers and beans and corn and things like that. But now all of a sudden we're getting them in our keto dessert.

[00:50:00] Now, you know everybody correct. I mean first of all resistance start they do exist in 80, but they're not the major part of our traditional fibers. So surreal fibers are different compared to resistant starch they exist in Native, but they are usually do. The third of fourth number five you find another one in some vegetables also.

So yes, it's true. We if we were catching an animal eating meat and fat we wouldn't have found resistance starts at the same time. It will be very strange if we did that right and then let's one other thing. I don't want to Discount the role of the fermentation happening in the small intestine to contributing to some of the risk factors were talking about and the other thing I want to point out is.

That most of us we go out of our way to make digestion resistant starches. Oh, we bake our potato and then [00:51:00] put it in the refrigerator and eat it the next day because we heard oh, well more of the sugars turn into digestion resistant starches. Maybe you should start eating that potato while it's hot.

Yeah. Yeah. The point is we don't know too much about resistance torture in particular if we look at artificially high in the round resistant starch and there are studies showing that it improves glucose sensitivity and insulin sensitivity. What underhand most fibers does that than the it could be so simple that when you take this what I call the processed fibers because recent sister starch.

It's like a pocket for the bugs. It is like processed carbohydrates for them. They produce more short-chain fatty acids, and that will produce some ketones and ketones with the plus glucose. So that could be the mechanisms behind it. Right and it's not for sure that you will improve your health because of that if you mess up [00:52:00] anything else in your in your eating pattern, so I want to talk about one other thing during this segment.

I'm going to take a break and come back and talk about how to test for ketones. And some tricks like that when we come back, but so there's another thing that people who are interested in the ketogenic diet that should they should be aware about and that is the consumption of aspartame. Is that correct?

Yeah, one artificial sweetener seems to change the gut microbiota and this to thing with them gut microbiota. You shouldn't only look at what happens with the bacteria's if you get more firmicutes or less. Because your good bacteria some bad bacteria’s, but it is so that good bacteria can be can produce good things or bad things depending on what you feed them.

I'm bad bacteria can produce bad things or even good things depending on what you feed them this we know from [00:53:00] a lot of Industry by fermentation. We use these bacteria to produce Pharmaceuticals and Zone, but particularly with Aspartame is that aspartame shift the ratios of the short chain fatty acids, so you get much less or bit rate and bit rate is a fatty acid that is generally considered good for us it is why what you have in butter there of the name butter?

It lowers the birth rate in particular. If you're on a high fat diet, then it increases propionyl propionate and threefold so relatively speaking but it in propionate the different theories almost fourfold difference if you go on aspartame or not, and you might think what would have that what has this to do with it getting tired yet?

Is this so that propionate it's a fatty acid, but the consist of only three carbons. And most fatty acid consists of an even number of carbons four six eight up to eighteen twenty one twenty two twenty four [00:54:00] for the for the Omega threes, but the old ones they can be converted into sugar. So propionate can write will be converted into glucose.

So if you instead of birth rate increase your propionate four times if you pound in 100 grams of fiber on that you might have. 50 grams of carbohydrate from the fermentation or got one instead of perhaps fifty grams. It would be the normal if you did not take aspartame and I work with so many people both over the web and in person that have said to me I'm doing everything right but I don't see the ketones so during this spring time.

I tested myself I did Fast for three days. I took us but I'm at the same time. Nothing happened. It took exactly fifty eight hours for the ketones to hit three millimolar both times with and without aspartame. Then I try the ketogenic diet with aspartame and it took three weeks [00:55:00] to see any ketones instead of one week, which is my normal and then I found this research because then I knew there must be something as any were too short for in PubMed and then I found this research.

That's amazing. So lots of people out there having bad results with the ketogenic diet and it could be because of things like they're consuming aspartame. Yes, and that's some key to groups, encourage the consumption of artificial sweetener and then some don't they say, it doesn't matter but this study clearly shows that it do matter.

So to sweeteners which theoretically the tongue and the Brain thinks is. But that's another discussion. But to sweeteners potentially could derail your success with the ketogenic diet. The first is sugar alcohols which will become sugars and produce glucose and then aspartame which will reduce the production of butyrate in the gut but in turn increased sippy innate you said, right?

Yeah propionate [00:56:00] appropriate. I'm sorry propionate which then in fact will become. Yes. Wow, this is this is amazing stuff. I don't hear this out. I don't hear anybody talking about this. Okay. I want to take our last commercial break when we come back. I want to talk about a couple things. I want to talk about home testing what your opinion of.

Which way to test and what is Meaningful and then we'll also real fast cover the strength gains on a ketogenic diet. Stay tuned. You're listening to super human radio. We're talking with Patrick Dolan. His website is black belt nutrition dot-org check it out.

super human radio with Patrick Dahlen dropping bombs on the keto Community Okay, so. What's the best way to test it home all those that you can buy a very cheap alcohol breathalyzer test, they're cheap. They're like ten dollars. You can buy them online and they measure expelled or expired acetate.

Is that a good way [00:57:00] to test? Ketone levels and then the argument becomes blood urine expelled in the end and the breath you really don't know if your body is using the ketones. Yeah, so this treaty main way to test for ketones for home users one is urine, which is the cheapest and the simplest perhaps and what you see there is a theater seat eight in the urine.

So we have to get own bodies one is a set of state and the other is heated rocks bitrate and acetone is a bi-product of acetoacetate. You will see the first one in the urine, but you don't really know exactly how much you have in the blood that is the downside because you. Leftovers the things that isn't filtrated through the brightness.

After some time, this one might go down even your in ketosis simply because the body is filtering more into the blood than of 2 to the 2 in the urine, but it's [00:58:00] very simple. It's a good way to see if your engine ketosis if you try to go into ketosis and you do not see any color change on the urine stick you are not in ketosis is it is as simple as that.

However, if you have been in ketosis for months already the students take might also not show you very strong colors because you're not leaking so much into Europe. The next step is to measure the acetone in your breath. I'm not sure about this alcohol me at the Mansion if they do measure acetone or not, but the Army measurements that you can devices that you can buy that measure acetone.

They usually cost much more than ten dollars though. I think this is the best way to measure acetoacetate because it gives you a very direct way. You must you measure acetone, but there's a direct link these like let's say this one percent of the acetate that turns [00:59:00] into acetone. Then you can just multiplied with 9.99 to get the ratio and this is done in the device usually so.

The brat device. I think they were good because you get the set us at 8:00 and we get it quite accurately and as you know, and also what you're breathing out means your body is burning it, right and now this is some kind of misunderstanding that okay you would you will see I've found that this many times even from medical doctors, but if you look at the biochemistry, you will have some acetone.

That drops off from the acetates it chorus. It correlates with the concentration of acetate in the blood. It doesn't really have anything to do what you're burning anything like that. It's simply that does it as it isn't stable. So some percent of orbit will constantly be dropped off as acetone.

So if you compare a blunt measurement of acetoacetate, which you cannot [01:00:00] use home, but you have it in hospital and breadth of us acetone. They correlate very nicely you get a straight line. So you can see if you have acid acetoacetate or Not by undirected Uranus is you have a time lag there was in a couple of hours or more.

But still you do not see beta-hydroxybutyrate which is the primary key tone. This is. Opposite Kate is formed first and then from acetoacetate to get better doxa bit rate. And this last step is regulated by insulin among other things. See if your highness lean you can get stuck in this half ketosis where you only have a set acetate but not be at the Docks arbitrated and you really want to achieve full ketoses to have the benefits.

Otherwise, you can eat little bit more carbs and go high protein or something. Doing trying to do the catering tight but not being ketosis is actually not the best key in [01:01:00] today at the door. He will arrive you will lose you lose a lot of muscle mass if you try that and fail when it so that it's better to do something else.

So when to CBL rocks a bit rate, the only way to do that is to mash up a better doctor betrayed. And that is you need to stick yourself in the finger and get draw some blood usually can see the glucose and your beta looks a bit rate on the same device. That's also good, but it costs some for each.

It's time to test it costs them. I think there are like three four dollars or something for each. There's actually a company out there that's charging a dollar a test strip, which is really inexpensive. I can't think of her name right now, but there's somebody out there. Yeah. But anyway, I mean, I'm a biochemist so I do want all three tests or [01:02:00] to test see if you want to kick out and testing.

I think you should do both the breadth and the blood test because they tell you different things on what is going on. And if I give you an example explain, especially if you're coaching other paper this these two devices are going to go to have see if you for example CRC Atlas at 8:00, but no be deductible trait.

That's an indication that there at least they're not eating too much carbohydrate, but they are high in. Still if you don't see any other theaters at 8:00, they have too much carbs in the diet somewhere. It could be the sugar alcohols. It could be the aspartame converting fibers. Soundboard is too much carbohydrate.

You can be sure of that. But if you see it, they are quite good with the carbohydrate, but there is still some regulation regulatory steps to can go from a certain state to better document trade [01:03:00] and the doors is so if you look at the relationship if you do a force a Clinic Diet. And you were some subject you work with go up to let's say 100 PPM and then after that they get beta hydroxy bit rate in the blood.

You do some intervention some chaining you test again, or if you later and perhaps they go up to 50 PPM and then at that level you see the bitter hydroxyl military coming this now means that this person has become more insulin sensitive or at least it's most likely course all of this change because.

You don't go to and you don't need to go that high on acetate before it gets better doxa bitrate and that last step is regulated by insulin and other hormones. So you can you can you can measure progress and see how you're doing. You can also measure what happens. If you eat vegetables only without any carbohydrates [01:04:00] just fibers will you produce?

If you do that with a breath matter with you see any acetoacetate that means that you're producing but rate as you should-- what will lot of extra person fibers decrease your Ketone levels. That means that you have a gut microbiota working against your example cell number of things you can assess if you have these two devices.

I'm looking online right now. There are quite a few alcohol breath testers and some of them read out precisely. One of them is $30. It's you know chose .02 percent BAC. I'm assuming breath alcohol content. Is there a way to use that and then correlate it to acetone? I don't think so. I think you need to buy something that's measured acetone.

Okay, because I think these measure I think breath alcohol testers actually measure. It could be that they measure any organic compound of a certain molecular than the weights of the say. It could be [01:05:00] that it's not precise. Then we could use it. I have not looked into that if you can work on not so just I real quick.

So talk about the relationship of the ketogenic diet and acquisition of strength. There's a lot of people out there who think that we're strength athletes come into play the ketogenic diet may not work for. Yeah, that's true. This has been the big question for last. I don't know ten years on forums and so on and Alexis when I talked about it because we haven't had any studies on it.

We know anecdotally that in the 60s and 70s many body builders were in fact eating something that looked like a getting diet. They didn't use that name. But if you just search YouTube you will find a lot of these old timers that worked out with always watching and so on they're eating vegetables and meat and no carbohydrate carbohydrates, but not for the [01:06:00] first time we have a star.

It was not just some YouTube videos and this study among others Jeff Pooley can do me Dominic Augustine was in the same study and I really like these two researchers. It's cool to see them in the same study. So what they did is that they put. People on a 10 weeks training program weight training so lifting weights and half of them are in the kitchen it tight and half the width of them or not.

And then after these 10 weeks, they also referred both groups. They were on the standardized for one week and that's kind of small to do because when you go into catering diet, you lose some muscle glycogen and therefore some water. It's also very anti-inflammatory. And that was make you lose fluid.

So when you do the standard test, it looks like you have lost lean body mass. But in fact you have lost some water and perhaps [01:07:00] completely off some inflammation, but it turns up as lost and lean body mass. But by refuting them and then check off the one week again, you can then see sources say the actual changeably of lean body mass compared the group's more accurately.

In my mind at least and quite interestingly because I put this is has been that in best case getting diet cold increase muscle mass and strengthened and some people have said it's just not possible but it did increase lean body mass more in the kitchen like Diet than it did in the standard diet.

At the same time they lost one two kilograms of body fat on the ketogenic diet and only one kilogram of body fat in the standard diet. So this is really what you want. You want the lean must increase and you want the body fat to decrease and on strength the key a tuna tight also, Produced higher degree of strength increases [01:08:00] compared to the standard diet, but we are at least test them.

Yes, all these tests. I'm talking about all of the eleven weeks. So that one week of referred that is when the lean mass bumped up for example, so some people argue that it was the one we could call back that that was the magic but I'm not too sure if I care if I follow this protocol for 10 weeks and the need.

For one week. I don't care if it is the week. We carbs or the week 10 weeks without carbs that is makes the magic here. It seems to work at least in this study for this subject interesting very interesting. The website is black belt nutrition dot-org. We will have the complete slide presentation up on the same page that this show exists on super human radio dotnet to can get it there.

You can reach out to Patrik. How should people reach you [01:09:00] if they want to reach out to. They can go into black belt rotation dot org and there is contact me there if they want to reach out to me. Perfect. Perfect. Thank you so much for all the hard work that you put into this discussion today that I think you're pretty much any color you'd like it.

We'll talk soon again. We're going to take one quick commercial break and when we come back, I've got something I really want to talk about is very important to me. So, let me see if I can find the music here. Stay tuned. Welcome back. So the Super human Nation lost a dear friend, I guess yesterday Clint Greffard was an avid listener a lover of physical culture hard training athlete his wife Crystal.

Also trained very hard has a fantastic figure and Clint had a very enviable physique. I used to look at them and think man. I mean this guy [01:10:00] is getting close to my age and he looks amazing Clint passed away. We don't know why I messaged Crystal, but I'm sure that she's overwhelmed right now. So this morning I found out about I was at the gym training, my training is going so well right now, and so Alisa said did you know that Clint Greffard passed away?

I was shocked because Clint the recent pictures he had up on his Facebook page and pictures. I've seen of them. He's muscular. He's lean and he looks great. I was standing there with a friend and I said, can you believe this this guy just passed away and he looked at the picture goes my god, the guy looks like he’s so heathy and you know, we attribute when someone looks like that we think to ourselves this person is like the healthiest person I've ever seen in my life.

And well-meaning. He's just a regular guy. He said to me you [01:11:00] think you think it was drugs and he didn't mean like recreational drugs. He thought like bodybuilding drugs and I said probably not, to look like Clint you don't have to use drugs Clint was hyper muscular. He was lean, but he's trained for so many years and he's trained for so long.

And he doesn't look like a drug-using bodybuilder at all. And I said to my friend, you know, it's really funny. When an average person, a fat person or even a dad bod person, dies people go. Oh my god. Did you hear Joe died? Oh, that's so sad. You know. Wow, you know he was so young whatever. He was 57 or something like that.

He was so young. No one ever says do you think it was drugs? I thought about that after my friend walked away. I thought man. I wonder if they going to say that about me someday, I'm gonna die and hopefully I'll look as [01:12:00] good as I do right now. My upper body is growing like a weed the best thing ever happened to my upper body was hurting my leg, my foot.

But I want the people going to go. Oh, you think it was drugs? It's funny because when we look the way we look in this super human Nation, I guess people expect us to live forever because we look like this but we die of the same problems that people who don't train as hard as we do die.

Sometimes there's Inherited anomalies with our bodies, you know, we don't know sometimes you don't know when you're when you're as healthy as we are and you go to the doctor and your doctor goes damn. There's nothing wrong with you and you go home there still could be an aneurysm growing, you know in your brain there still could be, you know a problem with your heart that's not showing up because your heart so [01:13:00] strong.

I mean there's this this a lot of things that kill people today and they're in discriminant of whether you train hard and you eat, you know a ketogenic diet, you know. It's just it's just it's just striking phenomenon to me that when an average person dies. No one ever says unless they know the person like oh this guy’s out doing cocaine every night with whores.

Yeah, you know, he had a heart attack always the cocaine but no one ever says when the average person passes away you think it was drugs, but as soon as they see someone that's hyper muscular and fit they immediately assume. Like this person wouldn't have died. If they weren't using drugs and fit people die just like unfit people die.

You know, they're just sometimes reasons that were unforeseen and they just happened could be a blood clot traveled to the heart and it doesn't end and I have friends who've [01:14:00] had blood clots that didn't use anabolic steroids. I mean, So it's, I'm sad that Clint is gone because Clint was a longtime friend of the show and he will be missed and I even said to Alisa, you know, I haven't seen him posting lately and I he always was posting.

I think the last time I saw him post was sometime in early August. I was thinking I was thinking gee I think the last time so we don't know what he had and what happened to him. I just hope that when people who know Clint learned that he's passed away that they treat him with the same respect and reverence that you would an unhealthy or average-looking person and like don't right away go to you think it was drugs because it's not.

Anabolic steroids aren't killing people. I had some idiot say that the other day. He does autopsies on people and he's done autopsies on people [01:15:00] who taken anabolic steroids. How do you know? Every time you see somebody has muscle everybody assumes that it's anabolic steroids because the average person isn't willing to put in the hard work and the dedication to train every day and eat a certain way everyday, sleep a certain way every day and go to sleep on time every day and do the cardio every day for decades.

They're not willing to do it. So they absolve their own guilt of being slow thoughtful lazy bastards. They immediately say, oh it must be drugs. No, it's not drugs. Its dedication. It's hard work. It's a love of the lifestyle. That's what it is. And it's really a shame that when somebody who's really fit and healthy passes away of unforeseen reasons.

Everybody goes right to the drugs thing. You think it was drugs? No. No, I'm bodybuilders aren't dropping dead because of the drugs. They may be dropping dead because the recreational drugs I [01:16:00] mean Rich Piana was well known for using lots of recreational drugs. And in the end. I think he was doing coke the day he died supposedly the reports say I don't know if that's true or not.

I may be repeating a lie. I don't know. So I'm sad I'm sad that Clint is gone. I'm sad that someday I'm going to be gone and I'm also equally said that some asshole out there someday is going to say about me while you know, he was on hormones. Like I would have died any different a death had I not been on hormones.

It's just unfair it's just unfair and I'm tired of it. I'm tired of the I'm tired of the fit shaming that goes on in this country. I did a post recently about. Statue of Hercules from 300 BC he looked like any Olympian athlete today. I mean and how physical form used to be revered and exercise and [01:17:00] activity and muscle because they knew that Only the Strong Survive then strong people were robust and healthy and now we have to muddy the water with the silly question of do you think it was drugs?

Very sad, I know someone's going to say about me someday. I'm going to be dead. You guys are going to be out here on Facebook. Hope somebody sticks up for me because it's going to happen to me too. Oh, well, you know he died because he was using testosterone. No, that's not true. Everybody dies.

Everybody. Nobody lives forever. Okay, rest in peace, Clint. We're going to be missing you and I'll see everybody tomorrow with more super human radio. Thanks for listening today.