[00:00:00] Welcome back to another episode of superhuman radio. Today is a very special show. I'm having a guest back that hasn't been on the show and quite a while. And but the reason isn't the greatest reason but there's a there's a silver lining to the story that I want people to get out of this and it's actually near and dear to my heart.

No pun intended and I'll explain why when we get deeper into the interview with Eric broza and just a second. Of course, I have to acknowledge our title sponsor All American pharmaceutical and EFX Sports. You can get the five of their top-selling products as at 6, it's six of the top selling products.

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Yeah, it was scary there so don't so I don't want to I don't want to go back over. How did you find physical culture? We did that you. Years ago probably I want to say six maybe six years ago. So you're well known within the physical culture Community as both a amazing athlete a career drug-free athlete and not only that but you've earned the nickname Merlin because you seem to have a magical effect on the people [00:02:00] you train in getting them to literally.

Completely change who they are. And so this story we're going to tell today is even more poignant because when I talked about having you on the show, I actually got emails from people going it has to be drugs and I'm like, no, you know Eric if you look at his physique, it's very sustainable physique.

He doesn't have monstrous amounts of muscle mass that would require drugs in order to maintain. But it's almost like if 40 year old fat guy falls down and has a heart attack or even a 40 year old normal shape guys has a heart attack. No one says it's drugs. But as soon as somebody who looks physically fit has a heart attack, it's immediately becomes drugs.

I'm sure you've heard this right since this has happened, right? I've heard this quite a bit Yeah, so and I expected it as well. It's insulting but isn't it insulting? Like why wouldn't a fit what it's almost like it's a what fit [00:03:00] people can't have heart attacks. Yeah. I just think that it's, you know a misnomer out there that people think that if you look a certain way or if your exercise a little time or eat right that it's impossible to have a heart attack, but they're forgetting one of the most major contributors to any disease.

Or any condition and That's genetics products. And then that really is and we're going to get into that in a second the the but the takeaway of today's discussion and I think that this is something I wonder if you listen to the beginning of my story 20 years ago. Why I started working out in the first place with weights was to remodel my heart because I understood that pathological changes to the heart which happened when you sit on the sofa all day long and he pizza versus physiological changes, which is what happens when you undergo years of heavy lifting a very different the the pump becomes stronger.

Would you agree with that statement? Oh, [00:04:00] absolutely. There's no doubt about it that there's a huge difference between the way the heart acts as a seed and Terry person versus you know, somebody who is, you know, intensely exercising. So there's there's no doubt about it. So talk about the event.

When did when did you have your ischemic cardiac? It actually happened on Labor Day was when it started and it literally carried over to the following day. Right? So and I want I want to mention something that had your heart not been as strong as it is from the Decades of heavy lifting and cardiovascular training you've done there would have been no next day for you know, the doctors were actually.

In somewhat of a shock that I lasted as long as I did and you know, my heart attack actually was so massive that they felt that most people probably if they weren't in the ER within the hour, they would have been gone. So the fact that I had lasted literally 20 hours. Having this massive coronary [00:05:00] was absolutely extraordinary to them and they were of the firm belief that the only reason why I survived it and survived it believe it or not without heart damage.

Was because of my physical fitness and due to my training my diet and everything else that I do in my life. Now think about this for a second folks that are listening to the show and maybe some of you have tuned in for the first time because you saw the the the headline of today's show how to survive a heart attack and you know that you may have one in your future or you've had one before and you're scared of having another one one of the worst things.

That doctors due to cardiac patients is tell them to sit around and don't do much of anything. And this is actually the worst thing that you can do for your heart. The reason your heart is in bad shape today is because of your lack of activity and then you have an event [00:06:00] and the doctor says no you have to become even less active not and they want you to just layer.

This is an abscess. I tell you this. And of course II don't want people to go. Okay, I'm gonna I just had a heart attack two weeks ago. I want to start lifting weights. No, you got to crawl before you walk and maybe if you're challenged cardiovascularly, maybe just standing during the TV commercials is the first step for you before you actually start walking long distances, but make no bones mistake folks that if you if you don't want to have a heart attack.

Start using your heart more. That's the answer. But anyway, so talk about Labor Day. So so so Labor Day what happens? Do you have a pain in your chest numbness in your hands all the traditional symptoms or not, even any of those? Well, that's the interesting thing. I had. No I have, you know, the blockage that I had which was a hundred percent one of my [00:07:00] arteries 90% in another and then partial blockage in another.

Is not something that happens overnight, you know, it's something that happens over what I was told 20 to 30 years. It could take that long to get that blockage. The amazing thing is there's never been a symptom in my entire life. I've been obviously training with this blockage at full force. For a long time now and never feeling the effects of it.

So, you know quite literally that day. It was just a very normal day. I actually didn't go to the gym that day took the day off did my normal, you know Aaron's and everything else and then it was about 5:00 in the afternoon that I decided. I wanted to lay down and get a little extra rest before I went back and worked with my clients at the in the.

And I laid down for about an hour and I woke up to my alarm with the massive amount of pains in my chest and my throat and and [00:08:00] that's all that I felt. I felt sort of like everything was closing up inside. Hmm, and I didn't feel any pain in my left arm or anything like that. Just right in the middle of my chest.

It felt to me like somebody was squeezing my heart squeezing my lungs squeezing my throat. And that's the way I woke up out of a nice calm nap. So it was kind of a But Eric. Why don't you go right to the hospital and go I got to check this out. Well, this is the thing and then you know, I'm going to be perfectly honest and this is a point that I want to get across I am.

Like the anti doctor man. Yeah, I have I don't go to doctors. I you know, if I get sick I cure myself which and I very rarely get sick, you know, I get a headache on the last person to take ass, but I'm just really really bad when it comes to all that kind of [00:09:00] stuff. Right? I've always been so physically fit.

You know, I've always never worried about my health. I always felt that I had it beat don't want to go to doctors don't like doctors. I've never had surgery in my life. I've never been in the hospital for myself all these things. So I was very very stubborn and I mean in the truth to be truthful. I didn't think I'm having a heart attack.

I say I figured. You know something wrong with me I have you know, maybe I ate something that I have food poisoning going on or maybe you have a gas bubble in my chest or maybe you know something that I'm going to go away right now. That's that's what I think so so here's a question that I want to ask you.

I've been told if you have a pain in your chest that you can make it go away. By belching by stretching by doing some sort of mechanical maneuver. It's not a heart attack because a heart attack. [00:10:00] You cannot make that pain go away by doing any type of mechanical maneuvers of stretching or did you attempt to stretch it out?

Like let me just let me see if I can, you know get my thoracics spread out and make this go away. Did you try to do that? I didn't try to stretch. I mean I definitely was trying to drink some soda. So I thought maybe if I had to guess public adults it would come out right I was I was at you know at certain points see it came in waves for me.

There was a several waves during the heart attack where I was knocked on my back completely and actually felt myself passing away. I mean that's you know, if you want to talk about that but no I do other time. I got with other times where I was I was literally just pacing around my apartment back and forth back and forth because I couldn't sit still so I was just trying to find a [00:11:00] way to get myself comfortable and get myself through it.

I knew that whatever I had I was going to have to suffer with. Whether it was food poisoning or gas bubble or just whatever anaphylactic shock. I thought maybe I ate something that caused, you know, something like that and I just said I have to get myself through this. I've been through horrible things before I'll get through this and that's the way it was.

So really was I mean and in the end it was it was almost 20 hours of doing this whole act. I was doing before my friend finally grabbed me and took me to the ER. It was a 20 long hours. So so talk about so talk about the the fading away the you know that you just mentioned the second ago. This is the hardest part of this whole thing for me in the thing that's been most psychologically damaging to me and that I've been trying to wrap my head around.

I know there was three [00:12:00] different times during this episode that it got so bad that you know, I was I lost control of my like, I just had a fall on the floor. It happened once in my bedroom once in the bathroom once in my living area, so when you say you had a phone on the floor you did you lose.

Muscular strength, did you start to like, you know when you got a sink? Hope you got a pass out or did you just become so consumed by the pain that you just wanted to lay down and hit the ground no is not passing out. It was not lack of air. It was being so consumed by the pain that I literally had no choice but to go onto the ground right?

I got it was it was it was as if some as if I was being forced On The Ground by an outside force, but obviously was in my body. So yeah so during. And I didn't remember this call until. After I was [00:13:00] in the hospital that have surgery in my mind was gone over everything again. I think I kind of blocked it out right that there was these three occasions and they were all very similar that I was laying on the ground and I was in so much pain that I don't really think it's describable with the words unless you actually go through it and I was in just so much distress that.

I started to I guess my body obviously was you know. Maybe lacking oxygen may be lacking, you know, pop proper blood supply whatever was going on during the heart attack that I was beginning to kind of let go I was beginning to fade away and you know, somebody might say, oh you were fainting though.

I wasn't fainting I fainted before I passed out before. Oh, maybe you were falling asleep and I was definitely no you actually succumbing to it. You were given I had this exact experience in Bosnia. I was swimming in the ocean. I had been [00:14:00] drinking and I had been swimming and swimming and swimming and I wasn't paying attention to how far away from the shoreline.

I had gotten and then when I stopped swimming and I turned around and looked how far away I was I kind of panicked and so I tried to switch I started to swim back, but I was nervous now is panicked and and I vomited. And as I vomited I went under and then I took it a breath of water and add this happened a couple times.

I remember at one point in time. I had this feeling like I can't win this. I may as well just let it happen. I know exactly what you're talking about. Just like you it's just this almost its this recognition this realization that like a this is it I can't do this. I'm going to die and it's a peaceful feeling to it's not like you're fighting against it.

You actually have lost all the fight. Is that kind of what you're talking about? That's [00:15:00] very very close to what I'm talking about because you know, As as I was felt myself fading away. I felt everything going black and not just black like the lights going out but like black within my mind, right and and I felt my thoughts becoming, you know, very disjointed and not you know, just like regular thoughts.

I started to I don't know almost like sort of see things. I started to just have that feeling of yes. I don't I can't fight this right? It's too painful. If I am going away, let me just do it because that'll be the Salvation from this pain that I'm in and and I felt it happening and as as I was getting closer and closer to the point where maybe I was going to lose Consciousness or go into the first phase of dying or whatever.

It was. It was just that little bit of. My mind telling me you can't do this that pulled me out of it. And it was just a very [00:16:00] very almost like an inner voice saying to me. No, it's not time to let go do not do this. Wow, and and I fell and it happened at unbelievable that it happened three times, but it happened each time almost exactly the same way and that same inner voice.

Was what told me you must fight this and I started to think about I started to force myself to think about, you know, my family my girlfriend. My dog's my friends my work my life, you know, I forced myself to actually have thoughts that I had a focus on and I started to use the same type of and of might sound strange to people but I see the same type of inner strength that I use while I'm training.

Because when I'm training the way that I train I do very very long drawn out sets where there's a lot of pain a lot of breath. You have to have a lot of mental and physical focus and stamina to get through the [00:17:00] way that I train and I tried to draw upon that same type of strength to bring me out of this and bring me back to the fight and that's what I did and you know, there were tears coming out of my eyes.

I remember. There was just a complete emotional Cascade that came over me as I was coming out of this because I knew that if I allowed myself to come out of it, I was going to have to face it again. And that was the scary. Yeah, right that this is going to happen again. Yeah, I mean like like moments from now.

I'm gonna have to fight this fight again. Exactly. Yeah, that's amazing. I did this these events that you're describing. Now. These happened in the hospital the fight they happen at home. Now. They happened at home. Okay? Yeah. And so then your friend says to you come on, you gotta go to the hospital and we're going to what happened my way.

We're going to his we're [00:18:00] going to do I want to take a break when we come back. I want to pick it up on the decision to actually go to this is a this is a gut-wrenching story. And but it's an important story because while the take away from this story is no matter how sick you are no matter where you are in your life right now training can help you stay alive.

Really that is the bottom line and we're going to come back and I'm going to pick it up on the other side. Stay tuned. Welcome back to supremum radio talking with Eric browser Eric real quick. I know you're launching a new. Fitness program to why don't you plug that before we get back into the discussion?

Well, yeah, I mean I've you know, I've been training clients online globally for a long time now and basically I think what you're referring to is that I'm going to offer a special starting tomorrow on all of my different services and obviously I train people [00:19:00] who are relatively beginners all the way up through professional athletes professional bodybuilder.

And I like I said, I turned them online globally. So and I also offer Skype Skype consultations. I have a couple of e-books DVDs and those things and I've had such tremendous incredible support from everybody on Facebook and Instagram throughout this whole thing, you know, just such well wishes and positive messages and support and encouragement.

I just want to give back a little bit. So I'm going to be offering a special tomorrow on my server. Is which somebody takes advantage of it a new client, you know, it's going to be lifetime for them. So I'll be putting that out tomorrow on Facebook and Instagram and like I said, I just want to show my appreciation and you know for for everything that people have been saying and doing for me.

Okay, and that's you know, that's pretty much what's going to be and so everybody will see it on Facebook and Instagram tomorrow on Friday and. And that'll be [00:20:00] that okay. So so now let's move into the second stage of this. So this is now been a day is past and you've been struggling against this pain and succumbing to it from time to time.

And and now you you must know something is really wrong and your friend says we have to go to the ER what happens is that the next morning my girlfriend. I can't even believe I can't even believe you went to sleep. I wasn't afraid of dying. Okay? Okay. No, no Carl. I didn't sleep. I went through the whole night pacing my apartment and and I did start throwing up ice it's not have vomiting you think part of it was denial.

Do you think part of it was I just don't want to believe I'm having a heart attack. I think that you know, I think that there was a part of me that was finally getting. I wasn't ever thinking heart attack until the next morning when my girlfriend texted me and said, you know [00:21:00] how you feeling and I started telling her all my different symptoms.

You said babe. She's like you need to go to the ER, you know, you could possibly be having a heart attack and I'm like are you kidding me? Not me. We have a heart attack. I'm having a heart attack. I'm just very very sick. I have food poisoning. I've been throwing up all night. My body's getting rid of it all this kind of stuff whatever excuse but there was a small part of me in my mind.

That's going man. What's wrong with me? Like I am really sick like this is just I've never felt anything like this in my entire life and she basically. Said to me I really want you to go to the doctor, but she knows me and she knew that I wasn't going to do it. So she basically went behind my back which when I say going behind my back at the most beautiful things you could possibly do and she called one of [00:22:00] my closest friends in the world day for lay the lived about an hour away and said to him Dave there's something wrong with Eric.

He's trying to downplay it. You know, I think that there's something severely wrong with him. I think he possibly having a heart attack would you please. You know drive over his place and force them to go to the doctor and because my girlfriend lives a couple hours away and she was at work and he said oh my God, you know seriously so, you know, he's such a great guy, you know, he's like, okay, so he drove over it really was it took, you know, a few hours were all this to take place.

He came over in the afternoon. And he said, you know, you know Eric is only just take you to the ER. You know, let's just get you checked out. You know, I'm sure it's nothing and he didn't believe it was anything either. He just thought it was going to be something simple. [00:23:00] Give him a pill he's fine.

He's like, but why don't you just go he goes trust me. I'm the same way. I wouldn't want to go. I know it's annoying Doctor's Hospital's whatever he was like, but let's just make your girlfriend feel better. You'll feel better. I'll feel better. And I really tried to talk him out of him. Like I you know, I'm feeling a little bit better like because I was in one of those waves where it was a lot of pain, but I was able to mask it and deal with it and I was trying to argue with him and he said come on.

Let's just go so finally, I think I finally just relented and said, okay fine. Let's just go and so he took me to the emergency room. Which was you. Very short drive from my house. We went in he was doing all the talking for me. He said, you know, he gave told them what symptoms I was having and there was probably 15 [00:24:00] people in the waiting room in front of me.

They took me and put me in front of everybody. I guess the symptoms that I gave were. Well, do you remember what the so they I'm sure they they triage you right? They check your blood pressure your pulse and all that sort of stuff. Right? Well, they brought me right into the back and they you know into the back room.

They put me on a table. They took my blood pressure. But within seconds they were doing an EKG on me and this is when this is when I got really nervous because I'm like, oh that's right. There. They are checking my heart. You know, they are nervous. This is a heart attack. So. You know and they were asking me what my symptoms were and even at that point, I think I was almost you know trying to say well, you know, I feel like I have indigestion, you know, the guy in my head.

I'm trying like almost talk the doctors out [00:25:00] of there being wrong with me, right and right when I saw the the nurse or whoever reads the AKG looking down at at the readings. I saw her shake her head and she shakes her head in a way. Which I knew was something bad and she looked over at the doctor that was in there and I guess pointed to him or showed him whatever and it was almost like I could it's almost like I was standing in front of a tidal wave that was about to hit me and I was just looking at the title wave and I was waiting right and he turned he turned around to me and he said Mr.

Burrowes are you are currently having a massive coronary and. As soon as he said that to me I burst into tears. I just was like in shock and and I started crying and I didn't I couldn't believe that it was actually happening and he started medicating me with all kinds of them morphine and all kinds [00:26:00] of stuff and it was just a whirlwind.

I mean, they just said you we need to get you immediately to the hospital. And Cedar Sinai in Beverly Hills. We need to get you there immediately. You have to have surgery like it was just so fast the way everything was happening that it was so hard for me to absorb my friend. Dave came back into the room.

I was crying to him. I'm having a heart attack. He says I know it's going to be okay. He's like I'm going to go with you whatever your girlfriend will be here soon. I called her. So it was just the most nightmarish. Experience that I've ever had waking. I mean in my life, I thought am I going to wake up from this am I having a nightmare?

Right? How could this possibly be me right after I've done the way I live my life. Exactly. Yes. That was what I had and it was just right from there into an ambulance. Ambulance took me [00:27:00] right to the hospital. They wheeled me immediately into sir and I didn't even know what when they said surgery.

I'm thinking am I having open heart surgery? Like I'm like going through my head. I'm like they're going to cut into my chest. I'm at what's going on here, but thank God that's not what they were. They did. They did. They did Angie. Oh, right, they did arthroscopy where they went in where they went in with what they punch the holes like under your armpit and stuff actually punch the hole in my wrist.

Really? Yeah, they did my wrist. I don't know if this has to do with because I have such big healthy veins. I don't know if that was made it more viable for them. Yeah, they prepared my wrist and my groin they said if they can't do my wrist exactly and then I remember saying to the doctor. First of all, I was in you know utter shock, but I said, why aren't you putting me to sleep [00:28:00] how you know while how long is it going to take?

Like I was just in a frenzy and he says, oh, we're not putting you to sleep. Yeah angioplasty is virtually non invasive and so they use a balloon. To open the artery back up and then they would obviously put a stent inside there. Right they put Stenson to of my arteries and I was awake through the whole process and you know obviously was I was only calm probably because they probably gave me something to keep.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the good part. That's a good point. They give you they give you a Divan they give you all sorts of good stuff. You just you just kind of mellow like oh, yeah, you guys are in my heart right now. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah, but you know what? I couldn't I couldn't get away from that call like.

In my even though I was mellow I was still saying to myself. This is a this is a nightmare. I'm having [00:29:00] a nightmare right now. I can't be laying here on the hospital bed having heart surgery. Awake this can't be happening like so it was almost like I was just having this dream and talking to myself the whole time.

I'm trying to listen to the doctors to because they kept on telling me. Okay our take a deep breath. Okay, and I was trying to listen to what they were saying. So, you know, whatever adjustments had to make or whatever they were doing whatever they're talking about cuz obviously was the five or six guys in there doing this surgery, you know had you taken.

A couple baby aspirin or even a couple full-size aspirins a lot of pain would have gone away because it would have thinned your blood out but then you would have stayed home and thought oh, it was just like I don't know just some phantom pain when but I okay. So which arteries were blocked you said one of them was 90% water.

I can't remember exactly. What did [00:30:00] they use the word the Widowmaker? They didn't use that word with you, right? I don't think they use that word. There's one that guys getting that they just die from it. Like that's though. They call it the Widowmaker. It's like the major I forget which major artery it is in the heart, but I know that I know that one of them he said one of them was a hundred percent.

One of them was 90% And then there was another one but they did say to me that a normal person wouldn't have lived through it and that even even the fact that I lived through it for that period of time. It's almost like a miracle so. You know, obviously I was so I mean, they said the heart attack was massive.

It was not just like, you know, just the basic heart attack. I mean if there is a basic car is like I said, it was massive. So well massive massive means is the degree of blood restriction that the [00:31:00] heart is is getting and that's because you had one 100% blockage in one 90% blockage. So your heart really was not but you know, it's interesting.

I don't know if you're going to go for follow-up. Sonograms but they a lot of times when you when you have this condition for long period of time and you are a weightlifter arteries actually start to grow around the blockage. This is an amazing phenomenon it be interesting to see when you go for your follow-up.

Ask the doctor. Was there any arterial collateralization as a result of the blockage and he'll know what you mean right away and it oh, yeah, you know these two arteries here just popped out of nowhere and grew in over here. This is a phenomenon that happens exclusively to Guys Like Us who train?

It doesn't happen to people sit on the sofa when when when an artery starts to become blocked and restricted bodies, very intelligent. It goes man that ottery isn't really getting enough blood into the heart. [00:32:00] It'll actually Sprout it'll actually sprout an artery. The beginning of an artery like a branch of a tree behind the blockage that will actually it's the most amazing phenomenon grow around the blockage and then become part of the artery again, and if you think about that for a second like we only see that kind of stuff when neonatal genes are turned on and babies right because they're growing veins and arteries.

They're connecting. How do they know? We see this in guys who train? Who have over decades blockages occur that there's a collateralization and this is why they're able to get by because while the one artery is 90% blocked or hundred block. There's this arterial collateralization that occurs that keeps blood to some degree flowing to the heart to ask when you go back.

Was there any arterial collateralization around the blockages? I predict Eric you're going to email me and go. Yes, they said there was and that's probably the only reason why I was able to get by for [00:33:00] as long as I was. Well, I believe that you're a hundred percent, correct? And it is amazing. What a what a what a machine the human body can be and how it could compensate for something.

It's an overcome something like a blockage like this and there was mentioned from the surgeon saying that you're the my. Learn to compensate obviously for the blockages and the compensation is probably exactly what you're talking about because I have been training at the highest level. I mean listen two days before the heart attack.

I was in the gym killing it right, you know and not feeling out of breaths not feeling any chest pains not feeling that gives anything wrong with me. So obviously. My heart, you know adapted to the situation and increased blood flow through what you're speaking of and in that way because otherwise how would I be able to do what I do right now collapsing right?

So it makes perfect sense that that's what my heart did and like you said [00:34:00] it is due to people who exercise people who train intensely who eat right? Because you know, our body will learn to adapt so that. Continue to do what we're doing. That's the amazing part. So let me gather my thoughts here for okay, so arterial plaque can happen to anyone because of diet and because of propensity hereditary a propensity.

So what is your nationality? My nationality, I mean, I'm just basically accommodation Russian and Hungarian origin. Okay. Okay. So do you eat do you eat a lot of fish to eat a lot of red meat? What's your diet? Look? My daughter would probably be what the typical bodybuilders diet would be in a lot of protein.

I mix up my proteins some red meat nothing crazy, but some red meat chicken fish turkey egg white protein powders. I don't eat a tremendous amount of carbohydrates, but what I do, it's like quinoa brown rice, you know whole grain bread. Sweet potatoes those type of things. I eat plenty of vegetables a lot of green [00:35:00] vegetables, especially I eat a lot of healthy fatty acids.

So I eat a lot of walnuts almonds cashews peanuts. Did you did you say you do you do you take fish oil supplements or do yeah, you do I do I do. I just take fish oil. Okay. So wait a minute. Wait a minute the Russian side. Is there any Astana Jeju? In you that I can tell you that I don't know. Have you ever had a tiny?

Have you ever had a 23andMe done? No, never never caught because you're from Russia you you have Russian Heritage you could have asked an Ozzy Jew DNA and they don't do well. With fish oil supplements and especially fish they actually have the opposite effect from eating fish and fish oil that the rest of the population does in that it produces intimal inflammation in the arteries that attracts plaque they have an allele and I think it's called I'm trying to think what it's called a polo.

See one apoe one allele. They [00:36:00] actually develop plaque from eating fish and fish oil supplements are no good for them. So news to me. You need to have a 23andMe done to see what your DNA is. I just had mine done it was you know, nothing shocking except. I'm fourteen percent Northern African that was shocking to me.

But um, You need to have that done because you because genetic predisposition does not mean absolute. There's a lot of women out there who have the bracha gene never get breast cancer. So it's your genetics interact with your environment now. The diet you describe could not I don't think there's anybody out there that could go.

Oh I see where it's coming from. Oh and you know, you're you're eating all the you know, you eating all this starchy carbs or you know things that are pro-inflammatory. It sounds like you don't so that's why I started thinking gee. I wonder if you have that APO allele that makes fish and fish oil harmful to.

That's the only reason why [00:37:00] I thought that because your diet sounds spotless. Yeah, I mean it is and you know, and it's possible what you're saying is true. But even even the fish are I mean we're talking about, you know, a capsule or two a day. I don't eat. I don't eat very I don't eat fatty fish.

I mean I pretend to eat more lean fair. So I don't know if it could be that. I mean the doctor did kind of tell me that I mean I do have. Now that I've experienced this I've gone back over my family of you know, I've also had family come to me and I'm Amazed by the amount of heart disease that's been in my family and the amount of people that have had heart attacks and stents put in and things like this.

So it really seems to be in my genes and. What I really want to say. I mean just giving this opportunity is that I you know, it's possible that I was destined for a [00:38:00] heart attack. It's possible that I was on a track for a heart attack my whole life and didn't know but one of the things I want to get across is that I have been so anti doctor in my life that I would you know, I don't know how long it's been since I've gone for just a regular checkup, and I just want people to.

I understand that a lot of people that are like me out there and I want to encourage them to not be like this anymore because perhaps if I had been going for check-ups, perhaps I've been having blood drawn every once a year or something even though I wasn't showing any symptoms maybe something would have come up in my checkups or in my blood a long time ago that maybe could have pointed towards me having some.

You know possible risk factors may be my cholesterol something where the doctor would have said. Hey, let's check out your heart. Let's do list of do that. I write [00:39:00] and maybe I would have not been in the know your what you you would have had a heart attack. Most likely you would have taken some sort of preventive measure a decade ago.

Exactly, and that's you know, that's really, you know, the one of the reasons why I'm talking about this I'm not talking about this to have a woe is me story or to you know, gain sympathy wife like that because I'm the last person who wants this. I wish it never happened. I don't want to be talking about this.

I'm going to be talking about good stuff, but I want people who are like me and stubborn like me to go to the doctor, especially people in our sport people who may be using Peds. Large degree of them. Yeah, and then some of that stuff is over the counter pro hormones and stuff like that to you. No, I mean, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, there are people out there who you know are you know, maybe not [00:40:00] doing things naturally most people don't and but you know, you need to just go out there and get checked and make sure that your health is you know. In line with what you're doing because you may look amazing on the outside, but maybe what's going on in the inside is not the same.

So even if it's once a year or whatever or you know, just go get yourself checked out. Don't be stubborn like me because you don't want to end up in this position. I would have never known in a million years that there was anything wrong with me, but apparently there was some things doing in me and it could have taken my life.

And yes. My lifestyle is what saved my life for sure, but I probably wouldn't have had to go through this but there's a good chance. I would have had to go through this at all. Had it been going to doctors for the last 30 years and just getting checkups. Right? So that's one of [00:41:00] the messages in one of the reasons why I want to do these interviews and talk about it because if I can help one person.

Go, you know what? Maybe I should start going to the doctor or you know, what I do use steroids. I use them, you know, I use them reasonably. I cycle that whatever it is, and I'm not judging anyone anybody could do whatever they want. But at least go get checked out and see what's going on in your body.

So you don't end up with a heart attack. I want to take a quick commercial break when we come back going to pick it up on the other side. This is a really really wonderful story and I have some questions for Eric about how. Feels about life now stay tuned.

Welcome back. We're talking with Eric browser about his recent recovery from a heart attack massive heart attack one, that would have killed any mere mortal.

You know near-death experiences have an ability to change people. They've it [00:42:00] focuses them quite frankly. I actually wrote A Blog about this not too long ago and talked about it on a recently released episode of Tom Bill use Health Theory. How is it changing so far and it may be too soon because the shock is still kind of in front of you I think but have you noticed changes about yourself that your outlook right now?

I think that would you said is very pertinent. It is a little too soon in a way because I'm still quite honestly, I think that I feel pretty good in other words like physically I feel normal like I feel like I felt before I had this happen I wouldn't have known anything happened. No, I haven't gone back to the gym and started crazy training or anything like that.

But I feel normal. I think it's my mind. That's still needs to adjust to all of this because the definitely is a shock to all of this there definitely is, you know going through what I know [00:43:00] would near-death experiences during this it's just has a very profound effect on your mind. There's definitely some, you know, some depression that comes in and out.

There's just you know, This part of you know, what happens every did let myself go. Where would I be is this a lot? There's so much that goes into it that I'm still dealing with this on an emotional level and at the same time just trying to do everything that I need to do to recover physically, so I haven't really looked forward.

Just yet, but I know that there is something that needs to come from this, you know, maybe these interviews, you know with you and I have another one is the start of it, you know, maybe it'll it'll Propel my my life and how I train my clients or the type of clients that I attracted the things that I try to do in my push in a different direction, so I see these things but right now I'm just trying to.

Focus [00:44:00] on recovery and appreciation for you know, first of all, let me say I want to give a huge thank you is really too small of words to say to my guardian angels cambridge's as my girlfriend and Dave Boyle a who if it was not for these two people. I would not be here because you know Kim is the one who made my girlfriend, you know.

Didn't listen to me when I was saying I don't bother my friend Dave. Don't worry about it. I'll be okay. She loves me so much. He made sure the to call him and get him over here and they've stopped whatever he was doing and and came over and took me to the hospital and he picked me up from the hospital and stay with me for the whole day.

So these two people are my guardian angels they saved my life. So I'm. You know right now just trying to be appreciative about you know, having my dogs next to me who are sitting next to me [00:45:00] during this interview for you know, being able to still think about going to the gym to be able to still have my client and do my work and try to affect people positively to knowing how much my family loves me who my mom and dad.

You know from Florida got right on a plane came out here and stayed here for you know a week to 10 days making sure I was okay. So, you know these things is what I'm going through, but I know that it's going to have a profound effect on my life going forward. I just don't know what past I'm going to take yet right now.

I'm just trying to in the moment deal with all of this emotion and everything that's overcome me and try to turn this negative into a positive. Yeah, I mean obviously that's that's the goal to turn a negative into a positive but quite often these types of experiences can crystallize meaning in a person's life for me.

So I haven't had [00:46:00] a near-death experience per se but I watched my father die and when I when I saw him in that bed. I saw myself in that bed and all of a sudden my own mortality became very apparent to me. I've told the story on the show before so people have heard it and that crystallized things in my mind that that had more meaning to me that I started to look at things as the things that were really important the things that if I was in that bed.

And this was it the things I'd really regret not have done and they really are easy things. It's not like it wasn't like a lamb, but she I've actually I've actually I've actually meditated on my own death numerous times. I've sat down I thought about it. It's kind of a depressing thing to talk about people think but it's not it's actually very freeing.

You know, I recognize that I did my death is going to come. At a very inconvenient time because you [00:47:00] know one dies conveniently. It's not like hey, you know Wednesday at 3 o'clock would be good. I got nothing to do. So, let me go then so most likely I'll die in a very inconvenient time. I'll die at a time where maybe I didn't get a lot of things done that I was working on at the time.

And so then I started to think you know, what's really important stuff that I got to get done before I die. And I wrote a Blog about it, you know Mark Twain Mark Twain was born on Halley's comet passing over the Earth and he died. I don't know 70-something years later exactly on Halley's Comet, press here.

And he predicted he would die when Halley's Comet returned. So he lived his life knowing at least for himself believing that he knew when he was going to die and and that. Made him do things perhaps that other people wouldn't have done because they would have been concerned about what the people would think of [00:48:00] them and all that said he was like, I don't I know when I'm gonna die, I gotta get all this stuff done now, so I think near-death experiences or contemplative thought about your own death has the ability to produce greater Focus for a person.

And I'm going to make a prediction that your Best Is Yet To Come and it may not even be what it may not even be in physical culture. It may not I mean, I'm not I'm not look I'm not predicting this but I'm just saying like you may decide, you know, all that time. I'm spending in the gym, you know, I need to be out there in the world.

I think my new physical culture is I want to travel and Hike beautiful mountains. I don't know but I'm saying I have a feeling that. When the shock wears off when the disbelief wears off when you become comfortable with how close you became you got to that precipice and and and you realize that you you're [00:49:00] still here.

I have a funny feeling that it's good. There's going to be a metamorphosis in you that is is going to even surprise you that's my prediction. That's my prediction and I don't disagree with you. I think that you know that is that is to come and I don't know what that's why I said, I don't know what direction this is going to take me.

I do know one thing I do know is that I'm a firm believer that I was if there's such thing as having a purpose in life. And you know, I don't know if that's the way it works that people have put here for a purpose. But if I do have a purpose, I've been pretty much known for a very long time that my purpose is to help other people.

I know that and whatever expertise I have and it's become. You know in in transforming physiques, so I know that I'm here to help people reach their goals and physical fitness whether it be to [00:50:00] just you know, get to a certain weight get to a certain level of body fat muscle mass or whether to win the biggest titles and whatever it is.

I know that's part of what I'm supposed to do, and I know that what comes with it. It's not only just getting for people from point A to B, but also making friendships with these people helping them out with problems becoming their friend and you know, I just I get very close to my clients. And I know that that's the reason why I'm here because it just comes very naturally to me to always try to help people in any situation.

So I think that maybe you know, I maybe not. Not going to help you is focused on helping people reach their physical goals in terms of cosmetically, but I think that my direction might also be to you know, help people even more so with their health and you know and go in another Direction, but I do believe that there's going [00:51:00] to come a time is going to come.

You know, like you said maybe an appreciation for doing other things or maybe moving outside the box that I've been living in not necessarily leaving behind bodybuilding but you know, you know, maybe like you said, you know, you know visiting different places or maybe just enjoying the moment. You know, I'm definitely a forward thinker so I'm always thinking about the future and sometimes I don't sit in the moment and invite them.

All right, so they may be that as well, you know enjoying just sitting, you know outside. I live I live in a beautiful. I live in California live in Marina del Rey beautiful area, you know, maybe walking outside and looking at the ocean and looking at the boats, you know, instead of taking it for granted, you know sitting there really looking and say this is really is beautiful.

I'm really lucky so it could be anything little like that. I don't know. What's the. But I do agree with you [00:52:00] that this is going to have a shift cause a shift in my life in some way shape or form as soon as I'm able to get through this initial period and reflect on it and not you know, just you know, sit in the negative portion of it and realize where I go from here.

So I do see that coming. And I do hope that the best is yet to come. I hope that's why I pulled my that's why I pulled myself out of it, right? I feel like I have more to do more to do right? I think it's wonderful. We can leave here. I want you to know I I do agree with you about doctor's visit. I mean, I have a annual physical that comes with blood work and all that sort of stuff.

I would think it would be Reckless not to but I'm starting to think I may want to get a. Calcium coronary calcium scan done now because of what you said to detect any potential [00:53:00] plaque that could be building up. I'm 60 years old now, you know, I mean so you how old are you now? I'm actually going to be turning 50 and October.

Okay, so you and I you know, we're ten with when's your birthday October what? Actually, it's Halloween. What is that the 31st head so, you know, I mean, you're 10 years younger than me. We're at that age now where there's bioaccumulation of stuff. So I think I'm gonna get a coronary calcium skin now because of this interview, well good.

Yeah, and because there are things that can be done. You know, are you on blood thinners right now? Yeah, I'm on four different medications right now. One of them is a blood thinner. That's not muck. I have to take that forever, but they hired me on that for like the first six months to ride right get out in the sun as much as possible.

I redid a blog post many years ago. There is a study out there that showed [00:54:00] that melanotan to which people take the tanning. Actually causes the body to reabsorb arterial plaque and the takeaway isn't necessarily to take Milano 10 to unless you live in a place where there's no sun. You can resort to that but the takeaway is that people in that live closer to the Equator have fewer heart attacks.

And it's probably because I'm feel very sure that it's because they get out in the sun. They get sun exposure the sun reduces plaque buildup the Milano court and system and activating it activates five different receptors in the body three of which are exclusive to the intima of arteries. The intima is what becomes inflamed and attracts plaque.

So when you reduce inflammation inside the artery, There's nothing for the plaque to stick to what or the body doesn't call for the plaque. Let's put it that way. So get out in the sun as often as possible getting the Sun every single day. Maybe you do now. I don't know but I'm saying that's one thing [00:55:00] that you should absolutely make sure that you do every single day is get out in the sun.

Even if it's for a half hour, you know, you've got a great physique take your shirt off, you know walk down Venice Beach maybe you know, but but the sun is really your friend right now. Well, thank goodness. I live in California because I'm always have plenty of Sun. So I am going to definitely you know, I obviously am out in the sun quite a bit only just because I live here, but I could definitely make it a point.

I'm willing to take every precaution possible now sure. To make sure that doesn't happen again. So getting out in the sun for an extra half an hour a day can help I will do it. You know what I'm glad you're well, you're a wonderful guy. I hate that as soon as people heard about your heart attack.

They come right out and I'll drugs drugs drugs. I have a friend in Greece. Dr. [00:56:00] George tullio. Tell she's a wonderful person. He messaged me about three weeks ago and said another bodybuilder died of cancer. This is. This is the fourth or seventh one in x amount of years and I said and he was only 43.

I said people at 43 diet Cancer all the time it why is it bodybuilders why all because of the drugs that you know, everybody wants to blame? You know, nobody looks at the the slothful slow-moving crap eating person who gets cancer, you know, three times in their lifetime and goes. Oh, it's drugs.

No, it's the lifestyle is to genetics. It's the diet. It's all these different things. But as soon as they hear about a bodybuilder who kind of Falls from Grace with any kind of physical ailments, Immediately go like right to the gutter. All right, he's got to be doing drugs and it's just it's it's insulting.

It's sad, you know healthy people die. Everybody dies. It doesn't matter what you do. None of us get out of [00:57:00] here alive. So, you know, I'm glad you're well and I can't wait to see what's next for you. I really can't well Carl. I really appreciate that you reached out to me and that you wanted to bring me on the show.

I'm very glad to be back on the show again. And you know, maybe we could do this again in a few months from now to see where I am for sure plug some of your sponsors to I know you have quite a few sponsors plug. Well, I am a member of Team. Oh Max. Oh Max nutrition is you know, one of my biggest sponsors tremendous strength Nutrition Company amazing supplements wonderful product.

Been with them for almost two years now a fantastic company. I just started working as an ambassador for gasp gasp. Clothing left gasp official. I love their shirts. They've got great lovely t-shirt. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I was wearing their clothes for several years before they ever contacted me and asked me to come and in [00:58:00] bastard or so, you know, I'm really really glad to be working with them because I truly love their stuff.

So those are those are two of the you know, the main the main companies. Work with and I've worked with a lot of great companies over the years. I also still write for Flex magazine which now is actually part of muscle and fitness magazine. So I'm writing for them. I'm also writing for muscle and fitness.com.

So I'm still writing articles for both of those and have new ones coming out pretty much every month and you know, and that's those are the sponsors that I have and of course, you know, I'm continuing to expand my business with my. And training people all over the world who have also been so supportive of me and I'm looking to expand my business even further to help even more people and that's why I'm coming out with that special tomorrow, which I'll put up on Facebook and Instagram just want to help as many people [00:59:00] as I can reach their dreams and goals while they are here and hopefully help them do it in the healthiest way possible and just want to continue to spend my spread my word on the various training programs that I've developed over the years.

And you know just help people reach their goals faster healthier more efficiently and that's why I'm here. So I'm going to I'm going to chat. I'm going to channel your mom. Why don't you get married? What are you waiting on? Well, that's a great. You know, what that's a great question. That's a great question that you're asking me.

I was like you got a girl who cares about you. I have a great. I have a great answer and she'll be really glad to hear this. I finally met the girl the girl. That you know earlier this year. She actually was a client first then we formed into a relationship or name is Kim. Absolutely. One of the best people I've ever met in my life.

Absolutely adore [01:00:00] her. She will be my wife dude. I think you just proposed live on the air. She will be my wife. You know, we have a little red tape to get through before we can get there sure, but once she definitely is my guardian angel. I've always called her angel now, I know why so yeah, so that should be taken care of.

There you go. I look much much love much luck. We'll talk soon. Okay. Okay. Call Take Care. Thank you so much, Eric. Okay, I'm going to take one quick commercial break when we come back. I want to follow up with some other things that about heart attacks. Like things you can do immediately after a heart attack that could actually prolong your life stay tuned.

We'll be right back. Welcome back. I just won't take long. Okay, obviously, we all know about aspirin if you think you're having a heart attack take a whole Ashman don't take a baby aspirin to new research. On taking baby aspirin every single day, [01:01:00] even the intera clear-coated one is not good. Not good.

There are better ways to thin your blood fish oil assuming you don't have the apoe. Allele Ginger extract vitamin A does lots of things that will thin the blood making sure that you have enough salt in your diet. So that it pulls more water into your blood and your blood is thinner instead of thicker.

All these they excuse me, all these things can help during a heart attack, but it is the new research shows that taking a daily 81 milligrams and technically coated aspirin actually leads to a lot more Bleeding Out events. We're talking about aneurysms and stuff like that. That's not good. Now aneurysms are a result of a breakdown in the dexterity and strength of blood vessels.

And when you train heavy you do heavy resistance training progressive resistance training your blood vessels get stronger. To respond to respond to the valsalva to the pressure but people who sit on the sofa all day their blood vessels become weak [01:02:00] and they get bubbles in them that blow out and they bleed out and apparently the bleed out is a lot worse for them when they're on that daily aspirin routine.

So I don't think the daily aspirin routine is a good idea for blood thinning. I think there are better alternatives for blood thinning. But obviously if you think you're having a heart attack, if you think you're having a heart attack, like before you call the ambulance throw one or two full-size aspirins down your throat, they'll hit you fast.

They'll thin your blood they'll protect your heart so that when the ambulance gets there they can manage you triage you and get you to the hospital. The other thing that can benefit your heart are a couple peptides that have been shown when given hours after a heart attack to not only protect the Heart during the heart attack, but improve recovery and and and leave less collateral damage.

After the heart attack and that is thymosin beta for and good old-fashioned GH [01:03:00] rp6 many of us use ghr P6 as a dual peptide therapy, ghr P6 and growth releasing Factor 1 to 29 and combination cause of very strong pulse of growth hormone and GH rp6 also increases appetite for people who don't have an appetite doctor should be giving them that.

But ghr P6 during a heart attack has been shown to protect the. It could be an upregulation of growth factors. It could be direct. I don't remember it. Dr. John Crystal and I talked about it years ago, but there are a couple good studies out there. So having those peptides in your freezer. I keep at least 1 2 milligram vial of thymus and beta for my freezer at all times.

I'm 60 years old. I've instructed Lisa if I have a heart attack. I want a shot of that before the ambulance takes me away. So that's another important. Factor and then. If getting out in the sun is Impractical because you're like me, you know you it's getting gloomy out now just [01:04:00] 25 micrograms of thymus of Milano 10 to you'll get a little tan from it.

You don't want gets crazy tan, but just 25 micrograms a day could be the differential differentiating factor of you developing plaque or not. Developing to developed developing plan. If someone would look my prediction is that plaques build up the greatest degree in the cold weather because people indoors and they're not getting to the sun.

I'll bet money on it. I really will the research on sun exposure and plaque is undeniable and it's not from vitamin D. It's from stimulating the Milano court system. So I would say that instead of using baby aspirin every single day. Use 25 micrograms of Milano 10. Enjoy having a little bit of a tan all winter long.

People will think that you're rich and you're vacationing all the time, but the benefits to your arteries are profound and then of course doing things that help improve or reduce, I guess increase the viscosity of blood that thin the blood and that is [01:05:00] making sure you're getting adequate amounts of salt in your diet.

Fish oil, you know, even vinegar having salads with vinegar vinegar thins the blood is a lot of good things that didn't the blood you don't need to turn to medications that then have a prothrombotic effect where you start to you know, how bleed out on antithrombotic let me think about that.

Antithrombotic effect, but they because they make the blood to thin they make the blood actually so thin that it can actually start to permeate membranes and we see this that's why people who are on Warfarin and Coumadin they have to go in to the doctor every so often for what's known as a prothrombin test to make sure that blood isn't getting too thin because if it gets too thin, it actually starts to seep through membranes you start to bleed out in your stomach.

That's how they kill rodents with coumadin Coumadin is actually the same stuff that they use in rat poison. And so rats eat a belly [01:06:00] full of it and he gets into their blood and it makes their blood show thin they literally the blood literally seeps through the lining of the stomach and they bleed out.

So there are a lot better ways to thin the blood and my humble opinion then using those types of drugs or using daily aspirin. But yeah aspirin immediately Thomason beta for immediately and some GH rp6 immediately before the ambulance whisks you away will put you in a much better position to recover faster and survive your heart attack.

So there you go. There's some information you won't get on anybody else's show and that's it. Today's Thursday. We won't have another show till Monday. We'll see you then. Thank you for listening. Oh, by the way, My interview on health Theory with Tom bill you drops today Thursday the 27th. I already saw it.

I don't like the way my face looks the side shot. You know, when I was 330 pounds. I had a lot of stretched out skin and I [01:07:00] had a lot of fat in my face. So now I have this turkey neck that hangs which I hate and I guess someday maybe I can have surgery to remove it. But I think you'll find the interview interesting and entertaining Tom asked some really amazing questions very thoughtful questions.

I had a lot of fun doing his show. So if you could check that out, he'll Theory it's up on YouTube and make a comment just don't make any comments about my turkey neck. I already know about that, but make a comment if you think I did a good job. I appreciate that. I will see everybody next week with more superhuman radio.

Thank you for listening today.