[00:00:00] Today's Show Harkens back to its roots we are being purest today. There is no video version of the show today and I got to tell you I'm digging it because you know, I didn't haven't shaved in a few days at least has been out of town and I was like, I'm going to I'm not shaving today. I'm going to go on the camera and I got all this gray whisker now and I don't know I think it makes me look old.

[00:00:52] I really don't like it. You know, there's this Niche group of people out there. It's like a secret Club. [00:01:00] And their secret is that they have invested in and believe in pulsed electromagnetic field devices. We have a secret handshake. You can't see us amongst. Others in the population, but if you get the acronym pmf out loud enough all of a sudden people come over and go.

[00:01:23] Yeah, I use one. What do you use yours for and that really is where the technology has been stuck because it's an amazing technology, but the problem is that people just don't know what to believe when this whole pmf discussion arises and you can't be a good consumer if you. I understand it because you can't believe it.

[00:01:47] And so you're stuck and you got you you know like that Persian rug you just don't want to buy it just don't want to get caught in that Scandal. Well, we have a guest today that I think is going to actually push a lot of fact [00:02:00] out about. And that is dr. Robert Dennis. How you doing? Dr. Dennis? I'm doing great doing great.

[00:02:09] Thanks. So back when I first discovered. Pmf. A lot of research was being done by Guess Who?

[00:02:21] And as it turns out you were one of those people that was working with NASA on pmf Technologies. Can you talk about your background first, please? Yeah sure. So I basically finished my PhD at Michigan and biomedical engineering in 1996 and I started a little company off to make by medical instruments often a cornfield and Dexter Michigan, you know, it's basically a.

[00:02:49] Such a kind of mad science and my way through it and I actually got a call from somebody and it was guy at Nasa it was Donna Johnson Space Center down in Houston, and he said, you know, hey, I heard you can [00:03:00] build devices that are like basically pmf. They called it time-varying electromagnetic fields TV EMF before the term P and F was real popular and I said, well, you know, you know, sorry, I can't say the exact words I said to him but I said no because I know this family friendly, but but I said, you know.

[00:03:18] This is nonsense. Right? Don't waste your time on this right. So I was real skeptic right and you know, of course I was full of myself. I because I already knew everything right? I just had a PhD. Yeah, right exactly been pretty smart. Yeah, so I struck the cup was full brother. I just like I knew everything right?

[00:03:36] So so they did like, you know, we're all interested in this and maybe you can build something and go on Space Shuttle and everything and I'm like, well, you know, I'll go down there and I'll teach these guys what's real, you know. Yes, I'm thinking all you know, I'm all smart everything. I went down there and talked to them and they said look, you know, we just want to try some kind of PMS on on growing cells and space and I thought you know, that's harmless enough.

[00:03:57] They're going to pay me. So, you know I said, but I'm not going to [00:04:00] do a half a job. I'm going to figure this out for them. If they can be done to try to figure it out. Even though I'm a real disbeliever. Right right. So then you know, what I did was I went through the entire scientific literature on this I even had some papers translated from Russian.

[00:04:15] During the Cold War behind the Iron Curtain actually did a lot of work on pmf. So there was about a total of six hundred and sixty papers on pmf by that date and they were pmf and related to PMS some other electrical stimulation stuff and it was a really bad quality literature. I mean the results were good.

[00:04:34] But if you're a scientist you're looking at it boy, they didn't report the right things. I mean it's so I thought you know, I told those guys that can I said you guys are really getting yourselves into some some low quality stuff. But they wanted to do it. So I'm so long story short. I designed a very careful experiment and I carefully designed the instruments.

[00:04:51] We're an experiment he hit Johnson Space Center and lo and behold we saw these these human neuronal cells in [00:05:00] culture change their gene expression their growth rate their metabolism and production of you know, extracellular proteins that changed a lot of things in. Okay, so wait a minute. I have a question now because I'm I don't know.

[00:05:13] Memory anymore. So I have to ask them like an ADD child in the middle of a conversation. You just can't see me raising my hand. That's the only problem. So so this was here on Earth already and they were already but but my point is well you and a shielded room that evacuated any residual note EMF.

[00:05:35] This is all of this is all a huge mess. That's grown up around it. Like there's there's some really bad people who have gone. Answer this whole this whole on NASA thing that I did and they published a whole bunch of stuff about Schumann resonances and how the show craft went around the pole the North Pole and you know, the magnetic fields changed and everything like that.

[00:05:56] And this is this is largely promulgated by a guy who was busy [00:06:00] scamming NASA at the time and I don't know if I want to say his name, but I can tell you this he's in prison for life now for murdering a couple people because you know, yes. Oh, no. No, I can't get customer service to. This pmf unit back over there.

[00:06:14] Yeah exactly where the thing is that he was one of the original scammers. Okay, and he you can you can find them and there's books written about them. You know, one of them you can buy books written about this books written about him convention is name. This guy is out in the public domain already.

[00:06:28] Okay, he's on the public. So named Mia is a name is Donnie, right? And here's a book written about it by his stepdaughters called living with the Devil. Whoo, and I mean he's he's actually very Charming person. I talk to him all the time, you know business owned everything now, but but he was one of the first people who hired me to take the NASA work that we did that was really working and try to turn it into a product and right and but he's one of the first people who promulgated this notion that NASA did a huge amount of research on this and they did not they actually [00:07:00] did a little work with me a little bit with some other people in the kind of dropped.

[00:07:03] And and you know, so NASA didn't do a huge amount of PML for but they did some of the important initial work in the 1990s and that's but that's the real truth but it was never the stuff that I did was never taken up in space. It was all done on the ground as you ask. Yeah, but still this is interesting.

[00:07:19] This is interesting because the theory is that the reason we need electromagnetic fields in space is because in zero gravity where there is none of these electromagnetic fields because we're not on. Do you know the the land of a planet so we need those to keep bone mineral in place and muscle degradation from occurring and so naturally if you go up in space and you use these yes, but I don't understand how without the already have incident pulses on that those cells in that environment and now you're adding this to it.

[00:07:59] Well, let me [00:08:00] let me let me exactly let me address that I think a lot of what you've heard about needing these electromagnetic fields in space to maintain bone density. Everything. There is a there's a bone density problem. That's true. But I mean I've done a lot of research with people and you know stuff for NASA and for Department of Defense, I can tell you these are real things but the role of P EMF in preventing that.

[00:08:24] And the fact that that was established and now that's used by NASA and everything my opinion that is a hundred percent marketing fraud real is a bunch of people telling me stuff. That's just not true trying to get you to think. Okay. It's worth it for me to spend 20 or 30 or 40 thousand dollars on this high-tech, you know NASA stuff, right?

[00:08:43] I mean, I mean that doesn't seem to be the case and this whole thing about, you know, space shuttle and watching cells respond differently when we flew across the. The north polar regions and all that stuff. That's all just that's all just that's what I'm just lies. Well, but but okay [00:09:00] so okay granted.

[00:09:01] That's all lies. I get it. I get it and I'm not good. But I guess the question then becomes to me is if in fact. I mean because right now the medical equipment manufacturers are profiting from pmf for knitting bones, you know, and and apparently it works unless I mean unless they're you know, everything is everybody out there using this technology for this purposes is lying.

[00:09:30] No, no, no, let me let me actually make something clear. Okay? Okay. There are about a thousand papers now specifically on p.m. Specifically scientifically, you know peer-reviewed papers that show it seems to work and cease to be the beneficial. I think that juries in on that. I don't think there's any doubt that pmf is helpful.

[00:09:48] And I don't think that part of it is a scam. Okay, the scam is when people misrepresent what we know about it and misrepresent their contribution to it. So what you've got is a bunch of [00:10:00] marketers who say, you know, this comes straight from NASA. I know it doesn't come straight from NASA. You know, how I can prove that.

[00:10:04] I actually get royalty checks for the NASA research. In show you right it's documented and I haven't been paid by a single commercial PMS manufacturer for RPMs. The only thing I've ever gotten paid for his industrial applications of it for you know, making biomolecules and stuff but never from a company that makes a pmf machine for use on people because none of them have paid for this none of them had anything to do with what was going on at NASA, you know, and and the fact is the fact is there's a huge amount of misinformation.

[00:10:38] About this and I was talking to the guy who was director of the medical research going on it at Johnson Space Center when I was there, I didn't know him at the time but he was a and he's told me that he thinks I'm the only person who's really going around saying the truth about this stuff because you know, he's been going to meetings for 20 years and hearing all kinds of you know, and he was medical director at this facility because [00:11:00] hearing all kinds of you know myths and you know fantasy fairy tales about what they were doing.

[00:11:07] Just not true, you know, there was some good legitimate work. Pmf does seem to have legitimate effects and the fact is nobody knows why that's okay. But hey, so I want to inject why? Okay. Now you have to understand you have a bigger stronger brain than I do. So I'm alive. I'm allowed to put my foot in my in my mouth if I want to and plus I don't have any I don't have any letters after my name, so nobody could take it.

[00:11:34] I make mistakes professionally. Okay, that's how I put food on the table. If I'm not doing something wrong. I'm not doing my job. That's interesting. Okay, so we so there is really a the symbiotic relationship between the ionosphere. And the core of the earth that when lightning strikes it creates this what it bounces into the core and comes back out as an electromagnetic field.

[00:11:58] It's been measured. It's been [00:12:00] Quantified. It's real it varies by geolocation. It could be 14 .71 play 7.3 someplace else but it is there and and I have been a believer of and you're going to be going to break my heart if you tell me that I'm wrong. Okay, so just understand the the gravity of this, okay?

[00:12:19] But I've been a believer that just the way we evolved under the direct influences of sun and the role that played in the genetic evolution of our being and are and mitochondria. I have believed that these magnetic fields have influenced our evolutionary journey and to a good a good degree at that.

[00:12:44] I mean like they actually a part of our trajectory am I wrong? Don't you know, I think the best answer for that question is certainly I don't know and I don't think that scientifically that there is an answer to that. [00:13:00] I think it's I think it's a big maybe and I'll tell you why I mean a lot of the importance of sunlight is is just now coming out and we've been studying some light on human, you know development and growth for decades.

[00:13:11] We're just still figuring out. Oh, yeah. This is important that's important, you know, just like the effects of different colors of light on. Sleep cycles and you know all that kind of stuff. Yeah, and and and I think that the effect of magnetic fields on humans is actually not well studied. Hmm because it's got the stigma.

[00:13:32] So I think the right answer is you know, you could be right now the other now, let me sort of put my nerdy hat. Okay, like you can detect some like pretty easily right you step outside and you look up, you know, unless you grew up in Michigan like I did where you look around for the sun all day and you can't find it.

[00:13:48] Russia God God played a joke on Michigan. It was a joke. It was supposed to be over by now. We all got it, right so so I you know [00:14:00] getting sunlight and detecting it and reacting to it physiologically is pretty clear. It's pretty clear on the mechanisms are pretty clear, right but residents Schumann resonance, he actually have to build a pretty big facility to just to detect it.

[00:14:17] It's. You can't really directly sense and you can't even get it was sort of simple small bench test equipment. It kind of requires a pretty large like a larger facility. So whether or not your body can even detect it, you know, it's kind of up for grabs, but the body's pretty good at detecting pretty small, but we know that but we know that it influences on a cellular level this is there's so many good studies that show that.

[00:14:43] That these pulses of electromagnetic field. Ah, let's separate. Okay, so so so I think that it's separate from Schumann resonances right there may or may not be an actual physiological effect of Schumann resonances, and that's unknown but [00:15:00] it's pretty well established that. Has very positive biological effects.

[00:15:04] Yes, you're correct. And so we don't know why so so the jury is still out but like many other things as you we you know just said about sun and all these other things is good, but there's early adopters, you know, they're back in the day. Everybody went to California when TB was rampant in the United States because for some reason when you stayed in the sun you fared better and they had all of these facilities out there that literally push people outside in their in their girl on their Journeys.

[00:15:31] Daytime and put them in the Sun and then put them back in their rooms and they were tuberculosis. Yep. I mean so Sun Sun, we know it's magic. I really believe strongly and I'll tell you something else. I've talked about these two issues on the air in the past. And and that is the fact that I have been suffering from Iron overload.

[00:15:54] And I have been experimenting with pmf Device or devices [00:16:00] actually for the past 15 years and a and I could see now as I started to understand the impact of my iron overload and over the period of time that symptoms started to show up. I can tell you without a doubt that those with that's when I started to having to turn my pmf unit.

[00:16:22] Owner because it was actually felt like it agitated me. I could feel it. I do feel like my tissue undulating and I shared that with you and said and you know, and we both agreed like if you got a lot of iron and you're basically a better antenna, right? Yeah. Absolutely, you know and you and I were talking about this, you know, and we were talking about like transverse quarter ways, you know, yes.

[00:16:47] Yes and that kind of stuff, you know, because you're kind of an RF guy, you know about this stuff. So yeah, there are strange effects and there are some that you can do if you can figure out mathematically, you know, you can antenna certain length and it's going to be really receptive to [00:17:00] certain wavelengths.

[00:17:00] Right? Well, this is a really great subject. I've been thinking about it since you and I talked about it a couple days ago and. And and it's not just iron right? It's any conductor. So when you start getting up in the you know, the high frequency range, which you know you when you when you look at Square pulses you actually do get higher and higher frequency harmonics, but also when you're in the microwave range, right you're talking about millimeters and wavelength when you get in the higher frequencies and that could start picking up things like Loops in capillary loops and you know, small arterial loops and so like your body.

[00:17:36] Because Bloods are calling craster. Yeah, your your little blood vessels are like tiny little antenna that they're you going. I've never heard anybody talk about this but it crosses my mind. It's you know how to be studying certain things and certain wavelengths are going to correspond to certain biological dementia.

[00:17:53] One of them is that a cell is like 10 to 15 microns in diameter, right? So we're talking about, you know, above [00:18:00] slightly above, you know, microwave frequencies and with routers and cordless phones all in the 3r7. Gigahertz range they're right in that range. Right? So you've got like an in my in my tiny little pea brain.

[00:18:12] Okay, I'm saying I do the quick back of the envelope calculation and you're talking about some very effective antennas being made. Conductive material doesn't have to be for a magnetic just any conductor right? I'm you can make an antenna out of copper business. Well, in fact, in fact the inherent the inherent characteristics of the the the conductor could ya could attract.

[00:18:37] Wavelengths so this would be because look don't they use that to kill cancer now don't they they inject people with something that is and then when they when they fire the ionizing radiation at it zeros in and burns those things up. There you go. And in fact, I worked on that research for a company about 10 or 11 years ago where we were getting.

[00:18:55] Small pieces of Nano iron, right? So so it's just a few thousands of [00:19:00] molecules of iron to actually be in you know chunks of it to be engulfed by blood platelets which are about 2 microns across and then they would in they would engage they would fantasize that would engulf these pieces of iron particle nanoparticles and then they would use the blood platelets right from that person.

[00:19:17] Once they've gotten them to ingest the iron to they go. To Target their their very own tumors and then once they've got the tumor targeted with a lot of these platelets, then you just basically hit them with something like approximately, you know, microwave wavelength and it heats up the tumor and kills it.

[00:19:33] So yeah, you know, I mean there's Technologies they're very similar to that. And so I think that you're right. I think you know remember when we were kids. I mean it was you know, you hear about people picking up AM radio on the you know their braces. Well, I built I built one of those Crystal radios when I was a kid.

[00:19:47] I had an alligator clip. You clip the two eddiemetal grounded item in your house and you pick up an AM radio station, right? Exactly and it was like the lead crystal. So I would use like a fishing Sinker, you know, [00:20:00] and and like a safety pin and never mind. It's same thing. Right? And so, you know you starting to understand that when you do that like your braces or says common objects around the house, they can be the right geometry to pick up, you know radio frequency.

[00:20:15] And when you're starting to talk about higher and higher frequencies, you're starting to talk about shorter and shorter wavelengths and those start to correspond with anatomical Dimensions around cells and tissues and that's what I think is going on with these high-frequency radio RFI, you know noise and RF smog kind of stuff I want to talk is that's what I want to talk.

[00:20:36] I want to take a break. I want to move into the the RF soup that we live in today and we're in that figure. I want also for my brain. I want you to explain why RF is different than EMF because I guess I but but let's take a break. Let's take a break we're talking with. Dr. Robert Dennis. This is getting fascinating.

[00:20:59] I don't know about [00:21:00] you, but I'm sitting back and listening and really loving this and I hope you are to stay tuned. We'll be right back with more superhuman radio. Welcome back we're talking with. Dr. Robert Dennis.  Use me. Pulse electromagnetic fields if you want to communicate with them. His website is micro - pulse.com.

[00:21:23] You can check them out there. He's got lots of great information. He even has some products that he didn't want me to plug but you know, it's my show I get to do what I want anyway, but yeah, check it out. I mean, this is a really fascinating stuff and if you are not an early adopter like me. Maybe it's time for you to start looking at this because there's a lot of n equals many evidence out there and it's not Placebo and there is growing bodies of Science.

[00:21:52] And I predict that I will be Vindicated someday. They'll say remember that's idiot that had that podcast, you know, he said that the pmf [00:22:00] influenced our genetic outcomes and I have another I have another theory. I'm going to throw out there and I don't I don't want you to weigh in on it because you don't want.

[00:22:08] Step on to the loony side of the show with me, but I predict years from now. They'll realize that the RF soup that we live in is changing our gut microbes in turn our gut microbes are causing problems that a leading. Complete inflammation from the esophagus down to the anus and this is why even skinny 88 6-pound people have sleep apnea today because the narrowing narrowing of the plumbing coming north from the gut is is leading to collapse at night when people sleep, you know, the old I'm telling you doc.

[00:22:45] I predict this is going to this is going to come to fruition because I've wrestled. With this mass population obstructive sleep apnea thing for the past five years now. It's like what is everybody doing the same [00:23:00] and you know, some people work out. Some people are vegans some Pinot. It's like no, but then I just realized we all live in this RF soup, and we already are starting to see research coming out that's showing the changes in microbial diversity in the gut after being exposed to just one cell phone call.

[00:23:21] The time, you know, you know, I think there's something to that in my opinion. I'm happy to step over to the loony bin side because you know, maybe that's where I belong and say, you know, I when I read the science on this, it's pretty clear. I mean sometimes with pmf they do not see an effect on biological growth and and sometimes they do and interestingly if you use low frequency low power pmf.

[00:23:48] It doesn't seem to have. As many deleterious effects on you know pathogens as the higher frequency stuff. So I think if you if you get a sort of a, you know, Dirty [00:24:00] Cheap p&f system, you can run into the same problems you run into with just you know, Dirty Cheap radio frequency interference and you so you have a lot of spurious you have a lot of spurious frequencies being produced and and so interestingly enough the you said some of them do and some of them don't respond.

[00:24:19] How to these influences but that could have a lot to do with the the types of conductors that hyper populate their cells over this conductor and that's why we can't point the finger Galore every time this happens that happens. So now you can have to stop doing punch biopsies to see what potential conductors are in tissue and then looking at the outcomes I predict from from electromagnetic fields.

[00:24:44] Another thing I wanted to say is am I stupid if I. I'm using some critical thinking and saying of course these these existing Schumann waves are very very very very low power. They're so low power that they don't interfere [00:25:00] with the compass because think about that if they were high enough power.

[00:25:04] Like black some of these pmf devices we could turn them on and you actually you know, the stuff on the roof is rattling, you know, if they would that powerful they didn't to fill with basic Compass you it wouldn't know where North ruins their interfere with the compass. They would interfere with all kinds of other things, you know, we might even be able to hear some of the higher frequency ones, but, you know animals have adapted to to detect very low.

[00:25:32] Electronic in electromagnetic signals, for example it is well known now that sea turtles and birds and some mammals navigate by the Earth's magnetic field and there are some you know theories about how that's actually a Quantum effect. And that's pretty well established now scientifically, that's not just you know, sci-fi science fiction.

[00:25:51] So there's some pretty amazing things that biology does when it interacts with its. With its environment. I mean there's there are insects like the dung beetle that [00:26:00] navigate by the polarity of you know, the Milky Way so, you know, it actually looks for the polarization of light and navigates by its so we can polarization of light is this a little bit well hard to detect sometimes so it's pretty amazing.

[00:26:13] What biology can do I would never say never there's always the chance that that biology is detecting and responding to something and certainly, you know, if we're immersed in it all the time. We're you know, we're adapted to it. But as like Joe Mercola pointed out and others have pointed out before him the electromagnetic soup that we live in today is something like 80 million times stronger than oh and 1850.

[00:26:41] We haven't we haven't had any evolutionary chance to adapt to it. You know, I thought for sure by now because I probably talked about this eight or nine years ago on my show, but I would have thought for sure by now. Someone would have started a national franchise business where they take a spectrum analyzer out to your house.

[00:26:59] They plop it [00:27:00] down in your bedroom and they go see all these frequencies all these pipes here that these are coming right into this room right here. This is what you are sleeping in and then they go out and they get carbon fiber paint. They paint the walls, they paint the floor they put the rugs back down.

[00:27:15] They repaint the rooms, you know, and now they take that Spectrum analyzer in the end. There's two little Pips getting. You know through the windows. I mean, I can't believe nobody's done that yet. Well, there are people who are sort of chipping away at it. You might know there's some experts one of them.

[00:27:30] She's pretty public Magda Havas up in Canada Toronto at Guelph. She's pretty well known about it. A lot of people think she's super Fringe and you know, You know, she's one of those people but actually I know are pretty well. She's visited me in my laboratory a couple times and she's pretty big in the in the whole electromagnetic, you know, electrosmog kind of thing and they she works with people who do a lot of like, you know, cleaning up the electromagnetism in your house and you can go around and measure it, you know and stuff like that [00:28:00] and sort of basically building.

[00:28:02] You know structures around your house, you could I mean you could build a your rooms into a faraday cage and you can really exqu exclude a lot of the stuff if that's what you want to do. But then are you excluding the good stuff assuming that there is good stuff and like I really know what I'm talking about.

[00:28:16] Are you also excluding the the stuff that's literally resonating out of the earth that you want to get. Well, this is the this is the thing it's first of all, we don't know all the stuff that's good and necessary yet. I think the science is incomplete on that. You know, we're still figuring. About the benefits and the necessity of having sunlight, you know, it's still something we're learning about.

[00:28:38] We don't know if there's other frequencies that you know other wavelengths that are important biologically. I did put something up on the Internet about a year ago, maybe half a year. To describe the entire electromagnetic spectrum and talk about areas where we need to have energy versus areas where we probably ought to stay away from it, you know, if you think about sunlight some lights on the [00:29:00] electromagnetic spectrum, that's generally pretty good right you think about the beneficial effects of ultraviolet there there, you know for vitamin D and other sorts of things, but then there's also the risks of ultraviolet.

[00:29:11] When you look at in infrared, you know warmth and heat radiated worms and heat that's really biologically good right, but it's not so clear that microwaves are helpful to us by Logic right? So that's a maybe that's kind of a maybe and same thing with radio waves. You know, that maybe that maybe we need them and maybe we don't but then you get down below radio waves, you know, you down below a thousand Hertz or something and then we're talking about physiologic frequencies and right you need to have certain certain electromagnetic.

[00:29:41] This is just to run your nervous system, you know to contract muscles, you know, you got Fest which in slow-twitch nerves and there's a lot of things physiologically going around going on in the range of you know, a few hurts, you know tens of hurts maybe so so there's areas in the electromagnetic spectrum that are very beneficial and essential for life and there are areas that are [00:30:00] kind of, you know, both positive and negative like ultraviolet and there's areas are just destructive, you know, like ionizing radiation, but on the other hand there's.

[00:30:10] A lot of theories that say ionizing radiation is bad for individuals, but it's really really good and necessary for evolution. Right so that they say that one of the big evolutionary, you know, there's there's a correlation between how quickly species evolve and you know, the the long cycles of the solar radiation where if we get more solar radiation for long periods of time, I'm talking about like thousands of years, they'll they'll see more speciation and and.

[00:30:40] Done but most of them are well, it depends on who you choose as your mate, but these could also be seen as evolutionary steps. I mean, we've actually exactly being improved and improved, you know, yeah exactly. So they're thinking things like ice ages really helped humans evolved a bigger brain. So Ice Age kills a lot of individuals, but as a [00:31:00] species that makes us stronger, right same thing with ionizing radiation from the Sun know it's going to kill individuals, but it's going to cause mutations that can accelerate.

[00:31:10] No adaptation and evolution and you know mutations and stuff like that. So there's you know, individual costs, you know, everybody takes one for the team, but maybe that's pushing the rate of our genetic Evolution like random mutations forward, you know, I see him but here's what I come back to right and I know that we just can't like turn off the switch and go okay.

[00:31:32] We're not going to live with any of the entrapments of modern technology. We're just going to do without it, but the. Is that we are trying to live in an environment that we that is counter to the environment that we spent hundreds of thousands and even millions of years evolving under and I don't think this is one that we can negotiate our way out of I think that I think that the deleterious effects of [00:32:00] RF are are evident.

[00:32:02] If your eyes are open, it's the lowest common denominator. It's why we can't put our finger on certain diseases. It's because. What we keep figure forgetting to ask people when they we ask them do they smoke cigarettes is do you live next to a router? Do you have a cordless phone in your home? Try to evaluate how much RF they're being exposed to and then try to figure because I'm telling you they'll start connecting dots very quickly.

[00:32:26] I'm not wearing a tin hat here. I'm being sincere. They're going to look back at this time a hundred years from now go. Holy crap what we thinking like living exposed to that stuff. Well, this is there's historical precedent for this. I mean, you know, we used to use a lot of lead in paint and we used to use a huge amount of lead in plumbing and stuff like that.

[00:32:44] I mean it was big can kind of use that we used to we used to seem vegetable cans with it. Yeah, and it was a big contributor. I think to the fall of the Roman Empire right? I mean bunch of people lead poisoning and so, you know, I mean there's there's [00:33:00] a lot of reasons to think that we're just not smart enough to have learned how to avoid that internally and we're doing this I think now with GMO foods and I think we're doing it with a lot of things that we inject into our environment that really don't belong there, you know, and it's harming animals and it's harming humans directly some of the things we do are good and some of the things we do are pretty ill-advised.

[00:33:24] The the one frequency that seems to baffle me is 60 Cycle right early on. The 60 Cycle AC was said to impair the Melatonin pulse before bed. If you slept close to within the vicinity of your head and an AAC device with an a you know, basically, the court is like an antenna now, I see research on 60 Cycle being good might the thing I worry about is we're becoming more like the pharmaceutical industry.

[00:33:50] We want to separate out one thing instead of letting it occur naturally in the environment that it evolved from that we plucked it from. I mean isn't this the other [00:34:00] problem with like just looking at this frequency and that frequency? Well soon see there's there's problems with science actually is pretty fundamental.

[00:34:09] There are areas of science where you can get very low rate of repeatability. So some of these things that are published scientifically are very questionable but in the field of cancer research, they've looked at the quality of the literature recently within the last couple of years and found that.

[00:34:25] Between 75 and 89% of it can't be reproduced. So a lot of the science that we have is bunk. There's a whole book written about this which is excellent by an NPR health and Medicine reporter Richard Harrison's called rigor mortis. And if you haven't read it boy, that's a great. I think every adult should read that book.

[00:34:43] It's called rigor mortis by Richard Harris you can get on Amazon and he talks about part of the problem with our with our scientific knowledge for. Is that is that there's all these biases built into it and and the research itself is really questionable and you know the problem, you know, I can [00:35:00] say this is a professional scientist.

[00:35:01] I can tell you there's a publication bias. You are five times more likely to be able to publish a positive result and the negative result. So that bias is everything towards, you know, being able to show everything. So if you want to show that 60 hertz is good, you can do it and you can publish it if you if you if you show that it's you know.

[00:35:21] No effect, then it's very hard to publish but if you want to show that it's bad you can do that too. So what level is that? What level is that at the journal level or is there something so okay so the journalist so this is kind of like this is kind of like what we're seeing in the media today with politics.

[00:35:37] It's going on with science Publications. It's it really is and most people don't understand this. Most people think of science is fairly pure. I'm believe it or not. I'm actually writing a book about this and and and man I get so hot about it when I think about it. He's really angry. So I read a lot, you know, a lot of it's not stuff.

[00:35:54] I want actually publish but I need to I need to pare it down. It's about a thousand Pages now, but I need to get it down to a couple [00:36:00] hundred pages. So people can actually read it and talk about, you know From The Trenches what's really wrong with science? So the problem the fundamental. That we are call is that you really just can't trust what's been published and there's a huge bias and and it's wrong in science about a lot of things and let me give you a really compelling example.

[00:36:21] Okay, A friend of mine who's a neurophysiologist. Was that a meeting with the United States military and it was about traumatic brain injury. It was really big high-powered meeting. I think one of the undersecretaries for defense was there is a really big deal and he showed our. On how we could really improve traumatic brain injury with pmf right and and like a very high level person in the Department of Defense.

[00:36:49] He just grabbed it out of his chair and he starts screaming. He's like that is the best date I've ever seen we have got to get that to the market. Now, we've got to get test for fire blah blah blah just how positive it was because the [00:37:00] data is really strong and then he said he asked the question. He said what drug was that?

[00:37:05] And my colleague said, well, it's not a drug. It's p.m. And the guy looked down at speech shuffled around a little bit said well, it's probably just a placebo effect and what back to a seat.  So you see there's there's these biases built-in if it's not a drug, it can't be real right. If it's not what people want to hear then they just tune it out.

[00:37:25] And that's a fact. Well this this happens it's a level of journals and it happens at the level of funding. I mean these guys were Doling out millions of dollars for research, right? They don't want to hear about something that's effective. They just want to hear about what they want to hear. And that's a fact well, and that's why there's shows like this, you know 13-plus years ago.

[00:37:43] No, it's a truth. I mean, you know, I know I know you just did some with Joe Mercola. I mean, there's an army of us out there too. Now that a bring it, you know and see for years. I've been saying when science contradicts what you know to be true [00:38:00] choose critical thinking always because I rather die.

[00:38:04] I'd rather die because of a miscalculation. Of mine then die of as a miscalculation. Somebody else who isn't gonna be the winner for Brooklyn, right? I mean you get the same kind of mindset that I do from Detroit, which is you know, you're going to figure it out yourself. Yeah. I'm going to trust anybody and you know you want to it's really true and I keep telling people that you know, a lot of people call me and ask, you know, dr.

[00:38:25] Dennis. You're the expert tell me tell me the truth and everything and I tell them the truth is they got to figure it out for themselves and I'll give them some resources. But but this is actual, you know, people need to think critically and they also. When you're thinking critically, right, you've got to have an open mind.

[00:38:41] For example, like I say I'm professionally I'm wrong most of the time like when I was telling those guys at Nasa about how stupid and idea was to use p.m. Is when we did the experiment. Holy mackerel, I was wrong right I was totally wrong, but you know what? I did I did one thing right? I followed the data, you know, I say I [00:39:00] was wrong I said, okay.

[00:39:01] Well I got this one wrong boy there really is an effect and that changed my opinion on it and I went with the data. With the data I repeated the data. I didn't believe the experiment first time. I forced the guys there to repeat it. So we did we got the same answer. So as real as real is true, right so you got to think critically but you find what you'll find is that even a lot of scientists.

[00:39:22] They don't do that. They already know what they want the answer to be and they'll just keep doing the experiment over and over again until they get the answer they want and that's why I feel like as a taxpayer. I would like all taxpayers to demand that the NIH. Publish everything that they spend money on everything.

[00:39:41] They only know what everything that they don't approve of even if it's partial studies that didn't complete we deserve to see that since that's our tax dollars going to pay that is exactly right and then like part of that book. I'm writing, you know on this whole topic. Is is exactly that which is we've got to reform the NIH [00:40:00] and it's got to be you know, so, I mean I can tell you where the big parts of the problems are part of this the NIH it does just simply will squelch research.

[00:40:09] I've submitted unbelievably strong data on the effect of pmf on cytokines and now it doesn't fit. It doesn't fit. It doesn't fit their strong data to the defense department. The effect of pmf Spinal Recovery, you know from spinal injury and they told me that you know, my proposal was at the top of the list and they were absolutely certain who's going to get funded and then I got blackballed and they just said no not interested.

[00:40:37] Don't call us boom, you know, because somebody somewhere didn't like it. So this is what is happening with your tax dollars and you know as taxpayers. What's what I think's going to happen Carl. Is that a bunch of us look you and me. We're going to pick up the pitchforks and we're going to. We're going to force a change in the government because it has to be that way.

[00:40:54] There's really there's really a suppression of the truth now because simply because that is a problem was for [00:41:00] America today, not only is it that but but honesty is at an all-time low in a population, we have people willing to stand next to videos of them doing something and looking at the video and looking back into the camera going.

[00:41:14] That's not me. I didn't do that. Yep. I mean honestly is it and and that's permeating everything? The journals of lying the media is lying every place you get your information from their calling information and they're feeding you what they want. That's why if you are devoid of critical thinking today, you are really this is and I've said it I've said it for years.

[00:41:35] I've said the new evolutionary selection pressure is where you get your information from. Yeah. That's going to be whether or not you have Offspring someday. We're gonna take a break and come right back with. Dr. Robert Dennis. I got two more really good questions say tuned. I forgot how easy it is to produce a show when there's no video involved we're talking with.

[00:41:57] Dr. Robert Dennis. Yeah, I you know, [00:42:00] I'm a one-man show literally doc. So there's a it just me and I produce video live fist Facebook live and audio at the same time micro pulse dot. I'm sorry micro - pulse.com. Is the website if you want to communicate more I only have two questions left and I only had you booked for the hour, but we may go a couple minutes over.

[00:42:21] Is that okay? As long as you want? Yeah. Okay, so we would be after you where do you stand on the whole grounding thing?  Well, that's that's actually a good good question. I think that grounding yourself is a good idea and I do it. I actually have the earthing, you know sleeping. You know sheets and stuff like that with a silver thread them.

[00:42:44] I think that groundings pretty good not talk to Joe Mercola about this a bunch of times and he did a he been an about-face on this last year who was last summer. Because right before I went to a meeting that had him and he had a big talk it where he's going to talk about the [00:43:00] importance of Browning.

[00:43:00] He got up there and he said no no, no don't ground yourself. Don't do it because your grounding yourself. You have to ground yourself to a nice clean ground and you can't do that in the United States because you know, the return paths are for for the power stations are right through the ground and they're all dirty already.

[00:43:17] So if you ground yourself, you're actually making it worse. Well well and I mean that's now he's not right about that, but but. I mean the real issue. Well, go ahead. I'm sorry. I'll call I still say you know, yeah, she's going to say, you know, so where do I stand on that? Well, no, I don't know.

[00:43:35] I think that I think grounding yourself pretty well if you can is a good idea and I suggested some designs to him for a product that could take a lot of that noise out and everything installed effectively ground you so so I guess my answer is you know, my geeky nerd answer is there's good places to ground yourself like on a beach like next.

[00:43:55] Salty body of water that's pretty good place and and you know, if you can [00:44:00] do it that's a pretty good place and and and you know, you you could there could be in there should be products that would take out a lot of this noise that superimposed and still give you the ability to ground yourself. So I think it's something that's good and I think it's done properly.

[00:44:18] It's probably very good and I don't know that technology is really been working. Yeah, okay. So let me let me tell you what my thoughts are and then you correct me because I know I'll give you my opinion on yeah, you know, but you know what? I mean? I'm you understand a lot of this from from the science standpoint.

[00:44:35] So my theory is having silver threads in your underwear or your sheets is a bad idea because if we know anything about our f is it it was that is a conductor it will attenuate but the theory is that it's going to go to a. It's going to go to the ground. It's going to get sucked right off. Why not just never bring it near you and make something that's made out of a very very dense carbon fiber and you don't [00:45:00] even have to ground it and you are shielded from RF and EMF.

[00:45:03] Yes, if you're talking about the difference between grounding and like a fair. Okay, he's right. Yeah, like a ferrite bead type of a technology or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think it's you know, because it's a complicated issue. I'm not dodging that I'm just saying it's kind of complex, right?

[00:45:19] There's probably several approaches that you ought to consider. One of them is is shielding it out. And the other one is anything that gets through you want to tap it off and ground it out, right? So so I think probably a combination of those two things is probably the best thing like you could in principle you could imagine wearing a jumpsuit that's made out of like me mental model or or carbon fiber that would Shield it.

[00:45:42] That's one thing that would actually work pretty well. Then the other thing is, you know, you can imagine the shoes that have been there are products like this that have built into them the ability to conduct, you know charge from your foot to your to the ground and so you could imagine, you know, just.

[00:45:57] Because of clothing that would do this [00:46:00] sort of thing pretty well. There's there's a few like technical sort of geeky details you can put in there to make them work better. Wow, they basically they could be like children's clothing. Remember when you were young and your parents pay your pants connected to your jacket and your gloves connected to you your sleeves.

[00:46:14] That's yeah absolutely continuous clothing like that. Yeah, you could do that and you know, you could I could imagine that would be pretty good, you know, and I wouldn't want people to feel like they have to walk around, you know, where until Nets or anything like that but on the other. And you know, if you want to take this technology to its extreme, you know, you could you really could but you know, I think in the long run it's better to clean up the environment so that you don't have to Shield yourself from the environment because like you're saying some of that stuff's good and you want to get through and some of that stuff's not.

[00:46:46] You know, like if you Shield yourself too much from the Sun that can be as much of a problem. Yeah, not showing yourself enough. So absolutely. Okay. So for those of us early adopters and geeky guys and gals who actually have pmf units and they have a variety of them [00:47:00] out there and many of them have certain adjust abilities.

[00:47:02] You can adjust them from like a half a Hertz up to 21 hurts. Some of them some of them you can adjust the power output and Gauss that with the magnets actually producing. Claim you should sleep with them under your bed to spend 8 hours at a time. What's Best Practices if someone is looking for what wait a minute.

[00:47:24] What should we be looking for from our magnets first? And then how do we achieve it? Well, okay. So this is turns out I you know, I wish I could tell you this in a simple way, but that's a really complex question part of it is the science is not complete so we don't really really know what's best right and then the.

[00:47:44] She is non-standardized so much of what people advertise for their pmf systems and these are not generally built by scientists and Engineers most of the pmf stuff you can buy on the market is actually a copy or a pirate of something that was done by somebody [00:48:00] earlier like a. So like there's no standards when they see a square wave.

[00:48:06] It's totally not clear what they mean by that. I mean how Trump is there is technically physically there's no such thing as a square wave. All square waves are actually trapezoidal because there's a little bit of slope going up right? You can't instantly dry zero times. So so I think wide when I sharpen my pencil up and actually do some calculations, you know being a nerd the thing about pmf that matters the most is how how steep that slope is on the Square wave and virtually nobody tells you so so we if it looks more like a camel's hump.

[00:48:39] That's not so good. But if it looks like exactly if it looks like one of the the Washington Monument, that's probably pretty good. He goes up and goes down, correct? Yeah, so so like, you know, we're sort of talking about this before but basically if you do some differential equations and do some calculations and you can you calculate back to the kinds of electromagnetic energy that [00:49:00] you see during development, which is exactly what we did.

[00:49:02] You know, we're like what sort of nerve and muscle activation. Do you see during development and I did some calculus some differential equations and made sure that my waveforms would transform back to that, you know, like basically fastest. Which muscles really really critical during muscle growth and development, right?

[00:49:20] So all the devices that I make do that, but they do it through like the calculus of the first time derivatives of the square waves. So when I try to actually try to. These people even my competitors because I don't want any junkie pmf stuff on the market, right? Because that hurts everybody just undermines credibility.

[00:49:38] So I try to explain this to them and you know their eyes roll back in their head, you know, like how many cows what's the Frequency? You know the wrong questions. The right question is you can understand electromagnetism and then you got to do some calculus. Okay, that's the right answer and you do have to make it you do have it does have to be Steep and based on my measurements.

[00:49:56] It needs to be somewhere in the range of 200. To [00:50:00] one or two million kilograms per second house per second. Actually one want two hundred thousand to two million cows per second needs to be the slope of that leading and trailing Edge, right and that that turns out mathematically to relate exactly directly.

[00:50:18] To Aid an induced electric field inside them collapsing or expanding magnetic field, which is saturating all your tissues and are being stimulated that seems to have a biological fact that I've been able to show that time again by experiments. What what what things have you shown under its influence what things have you shown?

[00:50:36] Well, so we did that first experiment at Nasa and I know that was a head scratcher for me because they kept saying oh it's got to be the frequency of the cows and I started doing some math and I'm like, no actually it's not and then. Get an experiment at with some rabbits looking at bone regrowth for a big bone defect that was surgically induced in rabbits at Texas A&M and we found that it was not the [00:51:00] frequency and not the Gauss but it was the rate at which the magnetic field was turned on or off.

[00:51:05] It needed to be above a hundred and fifty kilograms per. 150 to 200 and then then we subsequently did some more experiments with it and I did some experiments with a big biological company called Charles River where we were actually measuring in swelling and inflammation and we can actually do this experiment.

[00:51:24] It's a standardized experiment used by drug companies to find anti non-steroidal anti-inflammatories. Right and all of these are discovered by actually, they inject a mouse or a rat hind paw with this substance called. Our genome which is highly inflammatory and it causes their part of swell for like eight hours and then you give ya the carrageenan that they put in your ice cream that character.

[00:51:47] I know there's so much real in crap. That's another problem. But anyway, go ahead God. I'm sorry, right? Right, right. So if you inject that you get a short but very intense inflammatory response and all in size every single one this [00:52:00] tested and discovered by how they affect a carrageenan. You know Challenge and our device was you know, I had tested here at Charles River which is just 18 miles from my house.

[00:52:10] But this is the place on Earth where they do that experiment for everything and and when you adjust the electromagnetic fields properly to get the right slope of the magnetism you can you can eliminate almost all of that all of that. Information, in fact the director of the inflammation studies laboratory at Charles River called me up the morning after the experiment and he said that was the most amazing day that he's ever seen.

[00:52:39] He's never seen any electromagnetic device in his 38 years of doing this research actually have the effect and my answer was well, he probably just weren't tuned properly, right, you know, so so in order to create that steep.  of a waveform. The not [00:53:00] only not the switching alone on and off but the power behind that switching.

[00:53:03] I mean you have to that has to be very a lot of power on and off for just a gentle time. You know, I mean, it's got to be it's got to be just right and so you're an RF guy. So what I'm telling you is the shorthand version is you got to have a tuned RCL circuit, right? So you got to have a tuned circuit with the right impedance output impedance from your power source enough power the right resistance the right capacitance.

[00:53:27] Right inductance, right? That's what all these other people miss. So, you know what they do to correct for missing it is that they just make it really powerful so that you can turn it up really high and that's why you end up with so many of these super high power pmf devices is because most of that energy is there just to try to boost just to try again effective feel something and depending on how much how much could I how many conductors your body has absorbed over the years you may feel it a lot more than you want to the exactly the problem.

[00:53:57] As now they're pushing its to such an extreme. You're going [00:54:00] to get some negative side effects from BMF, which is what we don't want. We don't need that right and just you know talking about a little bit of radiofrequency hygiene here, you know, we want to have things not put out RF that's not necessary.

[00:54:15] So according to my calculations according to my calculations and the experiments. You know, they support this if you actually do the calculus and you tune the circuit correctly just to get the right sharpness of their rising and falling Edge on that on Wave pulses. You can remove 99.8 percent of the energy in each pulse, but still get the same but beneficial biological effect.

[00:54:40] And so that's why I'm doing this because that's what people need to do. And it's so hard to convince the guys who manufacture this team and they just want to turn the crank and make some money. And I'm just like what were what were you know slow down? Let's do this, right? You know so you can take 99.8 and that's not just a guess.

[00:54:56] That's a calculation. Well because also the higher the higher the power [00:55:00] consumption of the unit that you're building all this Gauss bigger power supplies big a power supply circuits, the hi the boards are operable a lot more heat of the not as durable. They don't last as long I mean copper that's why these things are 20 30 $40,000, right?

[00:55:15] And that's why the ones I make are really small but they're only. A few hundred bucks, right because and you can run mine on a camcorder battery. I mean that you know the form of the competitors you got to plug them in and make the lights go down. Yeah, because because they suck so much power because I think that 99.8% of the power in those high power machines is really a waste right and I don't I don't think it does any good other than generating heat, you know, it's a very inefficient and expensive way.

[00:55:43] To warm things up. Have you seen the research I want to say came out of the University of Kentucky, but I maybe have it confused with the tobacco paper. I read few years ago that they took a pmf unit and they sprouted [00:56:00] beans with them. Have you seen that? Yeah, I heard about that. I think it's pretty cool.

[00:56:05] But but but the the seedlings that will given the the electromagnetic pulse from beneath. The pot grew much faster and much larger than the ones that were deprived of that pmf. Well, you know, I mean PMS has I mean they're like I said, there's about a thousand papers now on pmf and it's everything you can imagine from, you know, aches and pains and muscle sprain and Bone defects and.

[00:56:38] Vision and kidney function and liver function and breast cancer and prostate you name it. There's there's papers on it two or three or four papers and sometimes dozens showing beneficial effects of pmf. I think frankly. I think it's the other half of medicine that we've been ignoring for a hundred and ten years.

[00:56:55] Yeah, and I'm with you on this and that's why I've had one for 15 years because I just knew [00:57:00] it was like it just made sense. I was like, yeah, you know. These electromagnetic fields I from coming from RF. I knew they could harm. I knew they could harm and I was like, well, maybe there's some that have beneficial some that we have evolved under the influence of and so you're just replacing them because we live in this noisy floor noise at world.

[00:57:19] That's the way I see it, you know the ones that I have their calculated to have the end effect in tissue that is exactly native to the kinds of electro magnetic stimulation. You see during normal activity and exercise, right? That's what my devices are programmed to do this calculated to do that.

[00:57:37] It's not just something random. So it doesn't have to be some precise frequency or some precise cows, but it does have to be in what I think of as you know, the physiologic range, right? And if you do that the tissue responses if. Exercising and if anyone on Earth knows, you know that there's a benefit to exercise you do but if you do it, right if you do it, right?

[00:57:57] Yeah, it doesn't have to be precise. [00:58:00] It's just got to be about right and you got to do it rather than not doing it. And that's basically what my device does is it simulates the electromagnetic pulses that you get during growth and development and exercise. So. I use mine at night and some people do as well who found that they do help in sleep and there is valid evidence on this from a hospital in the UK that divide that designed the Bonnet.

[00:58:28] It looks like a an old Air pilot in a leather helmet. It's got strategically placed magnets that pulse and increase Senators serotonin production in the brain and make people sleep better. And they're not popular. I don't know why it maybe maybe you spend an hour with that thing on your head. You don't need to take an SSRI, but I don't know who am I but anyway, you know, we many of us sleep with it.

[00:58:55] You think it's wise to sleep with it to spend a longer period of time under [00:59:00] the influence of it or almost and I kind of think of it as two things that the intrinsic value of the electromagnetic field but then the Cocoon value of It kind of creating destruction. If interference of all the other incident RF from your neighbors router and the kid up the street cell phone, you know, I got to be honest with you.

[00:59:19] That's something I just don't know. I think that I think that a lot of what we need to figure out about pmf, you know, I did as much as I could from the theoretical standpoint and tried to bring it to experiment and then see what it what really works but I think about a huge amount of what we need to do in studying.

[00:59:38] Pmf is people need to try for different. Because one thing you do not see in the literature scientific literature or the clinical literature is you do not see deleterious negative side effects from P. And F. Yeah, even people who write scathing reviews against it. They say well at least doesn't seem to hurt anybody.

[00:59:55] Right? So something that seems like people could be in should be experimenting with in my [01:00:00] opinion and and I think that most of the really useful information that we're going to get in the next 20 years on pmf is going to be very useful clinical personal observations. You know, hey it. Also sleep and hey, it really helps with this and that and then the science can come after that, you know, 20 30 40 years and figure it out.

[01:00:17] Yeah that is but I think that you know even is a hardcore scientist. I'm thinking the best thing to do here are make intelligent observations. And as you say and equals many of them right just as many as you can and you start to see patterns, I'm starting to do like a crowdsource. Study on this, you know crowdsourcing to figure out what's true.

[01:00:37] And what works best for PMS and that's something you can you can find all have a pointer to that on my webpage pretty soon. We've got a webpage come out probably in the next day or two called flux health and it's all about, you know, taking every scrap of information. We can find anywhere on the planet.

[01:00:53] How about pmf everything from personal opinions to clinical findings to published research everything we can [01:01:00] and then sort of sort of putting it all together and saying, you know, pmf does it really seem to help for this or that and you can see start to see patterns right for chronic pain and Orthopedic injury, you know, eighty or ninety percent of the time or more.

[01:01:13] It seems to be very beneficial right but for things like tinted, It doesn't seem to help much at all. Right or maybe even makes it worse, right? It can tend to make people a little busier. It actually does that to me if I put them on my head so I don't wear pmf on my head once I need to but then you start to ask questions.

[01:01:31] Like does it really help for cancer? Yeah big question mark I don't know so many people tell me they swear by it. They see that's what I did but there is a there is a study that I found what I was when I was out of Quest Nutrition a couple years ago. I found this study. That implicated pmf and doing something beneficial to tumor cells.

[01:01:51] I just don't remember it. It was just absolutely this is this is the thing but you know, you always have to be a little bit skeptical about scientific literature. You never want [01:02:00] to take one, babe. You know, you can really start to believe well, wait a minute except except with this replica, except when it agrees with your bias.

[01:02:07] Then you have to take it. Well then if you gotta buy us and someone then go with it, that's right, but you know what I'm saying? It's like when you start to see something replicated like I different laboratory Laboratories different people doing things with different equipment. They start to see the same results, you know in a diverse population.

[01:02:27] That means like. Walking around on earth, right? They should have, you know, roughly large masses of people statistically. They should have the same benefits or the same, you know effects of what you're seeing and this is the thing that we've lost a lot about in our modern scientific research is that they keep sharpening the population their study to such a narrow range that a lot of their research is just not relevant.

[01:02:53] I mean, there's there's quote unquote cures for cancer that only work for a certain strain of mouse. Of a certain [01:03:00] age of a certain gender and even for that species of mouse if you change the age or the gender or even the food they're eating or even the betting they're sleeping on that care for that type of cancer doesn't work anymore.

[01:03:11] That's actually known. Okay, and and so like if it's if it's so sensitive that different types of mice don't get a benefit from that cure. And what makes you think a diverse population humans work, right? Yeah. No, I agree. I was just trying to I was just Googling to see how if I could find something I can inject somebody and turn them into a rodent so that we can cure their cancer then bring them back to being human.

[01:03:35] I'm working on it I'm working on is that you start to see this with a lot of things like statin drugs and other oh, yeah approved that such a narrow range of people. Like a lot of these experiments they don't include women or they don't include people leak like in a certain age range, you know, I mean people who are like your age and my age and their mid 50s.

[01:03:57] We responded to Orthopedic injuries different than [01:04:00] 16 year old, you know, so you need to look at this diversity and science has lacked is lacking two things when it comes to health. It's lacking repeatability and you know people need to repeat the same experiment different place different different conditions, but I think this experiment.

[01:04:16] And number two, it lacks diversity. So if you know, you got to be really careful when you're looking at a single Paper because it's got those kinds of deficiencies kind of baked into it. Right and you know, I think a lot of scientists look at reproducibility as a threat. If it doesn't remove the second time, it doesn't mean your first one was wrong.

[01:04:34] It means that you didn't do something the second time that you did the first time go figure it. Yeah, like a people that people were really invested in their missions. They would work on it until just happens that you know light bulb 4670 7 stayed lit, you know, but there's no there's no real conviction in science.

[01:04:53] To be honest with you. No, no the way science works now, it's really kind of sick and everything. I'm right about this. But basically the way you have [01:05:00] to what you have to do to be a successful scientist in Academia is that you have to discover something new. Publish it once get funding for and then move on there is no support in at the journal level at the University level or at the federal level.

[01:05:15] So at every important level science is not supported the way it needs to be. I mean the NIH Needs to Go 100% into the support of trying to replicate. Existing research thanks good. They do a terrible job. They do a terrible job at doing new stuff. So they need to focus on what they're good at which is okay.

[01:05:34] You guys were able to do it over here in lab a California. Can you guys over here and you know Bethesda Maryland do the same thing with different people different, you know, that's what they need to focus on right and and and universities need to stop hustling money from the federal government. I mean talk about you know, this what color welfare thing they got going on at universities is sick.

[01:05:54] I'm telling. Yeah guy or there's a lot of sites out there that they literally live fantastic lives just from [01:06:00] Grant to Grant and you know, I think only do Manhunt, you know, a lot of my colleagues feel very entitled about you know, you know, you know, the taxpayers just stupid. They don't understand they have to pay for my very important research.

[01:06:11] And I told some of my colleagues I'm like, you know, dude, you've never done anything. You've never contributing any I get kind of pissed off get a few beers in me, you know some truth serum and start telling them what I really think I'm just like, you know, what was the last time you did something that helped anybody and a typical University scientist.

[01:06:28] That's not what they're focused on their focused on the their ego and their next Grant and the next emotions and you know, we need to rebuild the system from the ground up we need to make it so that the incentives are for scientists who are not real. Heard about about personal, you know enrichment about you know their egos, but people who are genuinely trying to help people, but if that's kind of scientist you are in Academia, man, the Roblox are huge the federal government stops you and and University will stop you and journals will stop you from being able to see things that need to be said [01:07:00] and do the careful careful work that needs to be done just to nap.

[01:07:04] Success, it's actually sad because we're all suffering as a result of this corruption. Well, we really are. You know, we've been paying for decades. We're just not getting the work. So I want to jump back on the Schumann resonance because I you know, I look at everything through evolutionary perspective is everything I look at why would nature why would we be endowed with that?

[01:07:23] Why would that be counter to our current physiology what you know, these are the questions I ask myself as part of my critical thinking when I see something. And I'm developing my own opinion of it. And so I keep thinking that yes, we evolved under the influence of that. I used that word specifically influence because I feel that the ionosphere is activity with the core of the earth which ends up being the Schumann resonance played some role in our cellular development and maybe our genetics and so on and so forth and these are beneficial because the as we talked about before selection pressure theoretically makes you better and [01:08:00] better and better and.

[01:08:01] Make sure worse and worse and worse than you you go extinct and that's not saying we can't do that by the way, but should we be looking at the Schumann wave for any information at all about what pmf may actually hold in store first question good.  Well, you know, I've actually done some experiments on that and and so I would say that you know what my experiment showed were kind of surprising so I had a bunch of people about.

[01:08:30] Years ago were saying I need to ask you my need action and keep can you program shoe Mount into my devices? And I said, okay. Well we're going to do like like some beta testing here and I gave a bunch of people some of my devices that had Schumann frequencies programmed right into them. They're quite precise.

[01:08:45] But there's a lot of them did the Schumann French residents is everything from a half. I heard some to like 27 tons of and there's there's subharmonics. Yeah, that's right. So you're right so it's not simple, but but I was able to you know, I did some that were a pattern and [01:09:00] then I did. Pattern that was offset from that randomly.

[01:09:03] So it had no Schumann resonances. It was all about the same frequency range, you know 8 9 10 Hertz, you know, 15 16 17 instead of the Schumann resonances, and I had a bunch of devices program that way and you know what the result was the qualitative pilot study result was that the device that I built with the offset frequencies, which I now sell the column on the eight because it's eight different frequencies that are offset from and different from the human residence.

[01:09:30] People judge that to be about 15% better at what at reducing pain and accelerating healing. Okay, so recovery Expo, so that's what we are looking at. So like if I was having people rate their pain how much their pain improved they were that was the result of my beta test. So is it is it a hundred percent control scientific experiment know what you know, what I was careful about it.

[01:09:53] I think it's just like observing. You can look out the window you could say yes raining, you know, you don't need to do statistics to. [01:10:00] Observe a lot of things in life and what I'm saying is that people didn't see any really big difference between Schumer on versus shoe months, you know close to human frequencies, but not right on the residences in the primaries, right?

[01:10:13] So so I guess my point is that I think you you benefit from having signals pulsing signals at about that frequency, but not precisely that for ya like that. It's not that frequency. That's because something that you just mentioned that you know there there are. Onyx anytime there's multiple frequencies and some of those harmonics are constructive and they will they will produce Offspring frequencies first, you know usually odd first third fifth.

[01:10:44] So on harmonics, you're going to take two you take two frequencies you put them together and they find their common undulation and the third frequency pops out of there, but then some of them are destructive in nature where they kind of cancel each other out and that's what makes. Study [01:11:00] of you know, I thought about how to study the Schumann resonance.

[01:11:02] Right? So like first I would like to look at what frequencies aware and then I'd like to look at the topographical map of those areas and see if there's any characteristics that make you go interesting they all seem to be these types of areas. You know, I really think because you know, I know we've all done this now.

[01:11:22] I'm people are going to say call your crazy. But we've all gone to cities. We've all gone to places where we just felt at home like man. I love and will say this. I love the energy in such and such right and what if that. Actual Schumann resonance, you're experiencing in that city is this human residents that you experienced when you popped out of your mom?

[01:11:48] It could be you know, it could be a good something that I was a you know, I know exactly what you're talking about because I've experienced it myself. I have no idea what it is though. I don't know. I just think that the pulsed [01:12:00] electromagnetic field devices and the study of pmf and a none better understanding the role that the Schumann resonance the.

[01:12:08] Actual heartbeat of the earth played on our trajectory. I kind of feel like there's going to be amazing discoveries. Unfortunately those amazing discoveries are going to go make us go. Oh crap, you know that router I have it's really effing me up. I really is you know, I think you're right. I think that I think the, you know, I think a lot of it is sort of like gives you sort of like these approximate ranges that your body expects and you know, maybe the body is not.

[01:12:38] Expecting some exact human frequency because you know that varies as you know from time to time place to place but it's expecting something about that range. And if you don't get it, you know, external input is incomplete. Yeah. No, I agree and you have competition. Listen, it's really been fascinating.

[01:12:55] I this is I think this interview is filled with so many. Oh, I know someone's going to [01:13:00] say Carl but you didn't ask him period of exposure to pmf regardless of what frequency you using what it regards what's gasps Maybe. Not it's at nighttime. But how long should people experience the effects of the pmf unit?

[01:13:13] And should it be site specific just on the area where the pain is or you want to heal? Well, so this is my opinion, right? It seems to be what works best for me and it seems to be what what seems to be sort of missing from the marketplace is a super low power focal use, so you're not talking about a whole body you talk about just a focal area and as you know because of the RF energy if you just talking.

[01:13:37] Focal area right you're talking about hairdressing main, you know putting magnetic field into a much smaller volume. So you talking about much less power so you can you know small unit you can do you better he's right instead of plugging it in. So you take all that into account the Practical electronic stuff, right and the Practical biology of it seems to be that if you're not using [01:14:00] excessive amounts of energy.

[01:14:02] Your body calories it very well 24/7 like I wear one just cuz I'm trying to invent a successful both my hips and trying to avoid like hip replacement surgeries. Right and I just wear them very low energy across my hips 24/7 and all the pain just goes away, you know, and it just it did seem to be getting better and stronger rather than weaker but it does take a lot of time during the day.

[01:14:25] He got to have a mobile unit and you got to do it for months, right? Because you know articular cartilage does exactly. Grow back like muscle or anything. So, you know, I think that that that it sort of depends if you're talking about a super-hype our whole body. Pmf thing. I would limit the exposure just because you're sucking in so much energy, right if we don't know the effects of that but if you've got like a low-power pmf system people seem to tolerate them very very well, you know hours per day every day.

[01:14:55] You know two things there was a guy on my show about [01:15:00] 8 years ago seven years ago named. Dr. Allen done, and he used to practice in Florida and he specialized in giving intra-articular growth hormone injections the people who wanted to avoid knee replacement or hip replacement surgeries. He had a lot of NFL players that he worked with I think.

[01:15:24] Past the way because his website has been down for the past couple of years. I want to invite him back on he was old when I had them on but he was training on the doctors other orthopedic surgeons to do this type of thing. And it's a three once a week three weeks in a row and you're done and literally cartilage grows back in the joint the vascularization starts first.

[01:15:46] He came on a told the whole story. He had research published. It was fascinating and all of a sudden I just thought to myself man if you combined. With growth hormone injections and your pulse device.  I mean, [01:16:00] you could probably you could probably make a dent in the and in the hip and knee replacement industry in the united.

[01:16:06] So actually there's something I want to tell you about because you're going right in that direction and I've talked to maybe a hundred and sixty or a hundred seventy different clinicians who are caregivers from people and one of the things that I did not expect about P EMF but seems to be true is that pmf it's far as I can tell is like the ultimate.

[01:16:23] Adjunctive, you know adjunct treatment that I know of. It seems to make everything else work better. I mean, I've had naturopaths and chiropractors call me up and say, you know when I use pmf it makes the other stuff that I'm doing work much better and that includes everything from like acupuncture to you know, surgical procedures to you know, stem cells and I are and everything just works a lot better.

[01:16:48] If you combine it with pmf like you were three, you know what it's like it's like petting. Oh good self. That's it. Go faster. That's all good. Boy. Go go go, but you're getting all [01:17:00] your cells at the same time. There's a some sort of a synergistic effect in because we don't really understand the primary effects of pmf.

[01:17:07] We certainly don't understand the synergistic effects in this is another thing you don't see in the scientific literature, right? Like almost everybody. I you know, when you survey people almost everybody combines pmf with with, you know, supplements for example, like. You're eighty percent of people do that just naturally and you never really see research on synergistic effects because the cost of research goes up as like the square of the number of things you're testing.

[01:17:35] So if you're testing, you know, two things pmf plus something else. It's like four times as complicated and expensive if you're just testing one thing. So a lot of these like very narrow controlled scientific experiments. They totally missed the boat on synergistic effects and health health is a synergistic out.

[01:17:53] I mean, you know, it's like lifestyle eyes I it and I sighs if you don't put all those things in the mix if you do [01:18:00] everything right, but you don't exercise or if you do everything right, but you have a crappy diet, you know, you know what happens right? I mean so so you've got to be able to look at multifactorial face and that's just really missing from most of the scientific literature.

[01:18:13] They should push people out in the sun with pmf units beneath their Gurney's and let them expand and literally heal faster from whatever they're recovering. I think so. I got to mention a guy and I think you know him but he's been a friend of mine for a long time and that's the pmf unit that I actually use but you you know Paul Becker, right?

[01:18:36] No, I do not actually believe or not. Okay, he's been in the space for a long time. But yeah, he has like a little hockey puck type of a magnet and I'm wondering if the and I think that has a more focused. Transmission if you will like is that an official like of just if I somebody had lower back pain just put it under their back for a while.

[01:18:59] I think I [01:19:00] think that actually it comes down to that and like when people tell me what they think clinically like their personal experience with things I hear basically pretty good stuff about Becker's stuff, you know, and and I mean, you know, the need for pmf is huge and I just wish people would get over this whole, you know competitive, you know, try to suck up all the market.

[01:19:19] Nonsense what really we need to do is get get the word out and get people to start using it because.  with many of these pmf units and you know, you got to kind of pick one that's right for you and your lifestyle and your budget but with many of them you see really great benefits and it's hard to say.

[01:19:37] If one is better than the other you'd have to do a side-by-side comparison and when really don't have honest, you know side by side comparisons of the effects of pmf well, but the other forms of the thing that I like about micro - pulse.com and then also Earth post technologies that cam is you guys aren't profiteering right.

[01:19:56] So so like you both have units that are in a few hundred [01:20:00] dollars where people can get involved and experience the benefits, you know of this type of device, then there's this other group. That look at pmf from not like okay. Here's what the technology costs us the bill. What's a reasonable markup?

[01:20:14] They look at it, like what a people willing to pay to rid their bodies of pain and then and then and they're like, oh with $13,000 you like what well people pay that to rid themselves of pain. I'm like, oh I get it. So you are basically profiteering on the technology because there's other guys out there honestly doing good business and selling it more like a piece of equipment then I.

[01:20:36] Hope that's right. That's exactly right. You got me you put that better than I could have and that's exactly the word. I use and what really ticks me off is these profit ears they're not just charlatans because a lot of them the stuff does actually work the real problem is that their profit ears and you're right.

[01:20:53] It's they'll take a captive audience. People in extreme chronic pain or other, you know other things that can't be [01:21:00] fixed by mainstream medicine their captive because they're usually at the very end of the road when it comes to trying things means, you know, a lot of them have already had the surgery.

[01:21:09] We've already had, you know, Clothes on injections all the other stuff that you know, you can get covered and they're just desperate they want their life back. So they're willing to pay tens of thousand dollars. I mean, there are people who told me they mortgaged their house to buy a pmf system because they're in so much pain.

[01:21:24] There are people who live that way and I think it's terrible to take advantage of people like that. I mean, it's unconscionable and yet there are some pretty bad people out there. And so when I talk down about other pianists systems, that's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about that mentality of profiteering, you know at the expense of other people.

[01:21:40] You know, so what I'm trying to do, you know why I'm trying to get across to people is you know is the Integrity that could be and should be in this in this Marketplace in this technology and trying to I'm trying to set the standard and I think I'm having I think I'm then. Oh, I think you are. I think you are because here's what's going to happen.

[01:21:59] I can hear [01:22:00] it already. I mean, I hear people's brains clicking as they listening to Today's Show going that, you know, they bought this pmf, you know that pmf unit and they're going to start writing to these guys and then trying. Articulate what you said about the waveform when and and all you need to do is ask one of these companies for do you have an oscilloscope view of your way from really easy?

[01:22:21] I told you hey you guys have an oscilloscope? Of course. We have a NASA. Can you can you print me out of you know, what y'all do they'll look at the electronic output to the coil and they'll say look at our Square wave, but what they don't do is they don't get a hi. You know a high-bandwidth hall effect sensor to sense the actual magnetic field.

[01:22:41] And when you do that, that was the one of the big things I brought to NASA all the NASA guys and that's were like, well, this is almost a perfect square wave and I was like, no it's not the input to the coils looks about perfect. But we actually look at the induced magnetic field. It looked more like a camel hump right now because smearing it.

[01:22:59] All [01:23:00] right A lot of these guys in these big pmf, you know. Privateering looking on the head looking on the looking on this this end to side as well the transmitter side look at these they'll look at the the look at the signal where what they'll do is they'll cherry pick and they'll look at whatever looks best and I'll put that out and I'll send it to you what is really needed and people ask me to do this all the time honest to God.

[01:23:20] I just don't want to be a policeman. You know, it's just not my thing. But you know, I built the instruments where I can actually take these devices and measure what their actual output is, and I'm going to just let you know that most of these companies. Why or they're just wrong by a factor of 10 to a hundred more?

[01:23:36] They don't what are they? They're happy as long as you're getting an undulating waves. They're happy. They're getting your only choice. Yeah, they're not looking for an undulating waves are looking for a painter. Okay, as long as you're willing to pay the $47,000 for when their systems, you know, they don't.

[01:23:53] Many of them don't care. Some of them are pretty good. Like I Think Magna waves pretty good at their after sale customer support, you know, they care [01:24:00] about whether or not it works for you and and frankly if you just don't learn to jack up the power which as you point out it comes with Jack up cost you can make these things work.

[01:24:09] So when people pay. 37, you know, 30,000 whatever for one of these systems you end up with this psychological process of cognitive dissonance with no one wants to believe they just got you know, Hoodwinked for tens of thousands of dollars. So if it works at all or going to convince themselves that it was worth.

[01:24:27] Guess what? That's what these prosecutors have going for them. They got everything psychology and they have the fact that pmf seems to work. That's what they need. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's I'm telling you. I think it's one of the most exciting technologies that not enough people know about but that but that but you got to be willing to learn you gotta learn you gotta educate.

[01:24:46] In the space before you go out and spend money. That's the reality of it. Yeah, totally true. It's only true. And when I tell people that there's a there's a large percentage of people who say well, you know, I just want to I just want an answer, you know, I just want to be able to flip a [01:25:00] switch and make 30 years of bad choices go away, you know, and I tell him that's just not how pmf works you got to be honestly and it's Point.

[01:25:08] All they need to do is get with you and say look we'll pay you to design the circuit for us. They changed the board and a generation later. They go. Hey the new and improved. June it and they just right the ship you don't you don't argue about who told us to make a left when we were should have made a right.

[01:25:22] Somebody makes a decision to make a U-turn and go the right way. That's it. Yeah, that's and that's the thing and I put enough information out there because I'm pretty transparent about it. I think I put enough information on the internet and off, you know papers and scientific statements and stuff that pmf could be built properly by you know, anybody who takes it seriously.

[01:25:42] Yeah, and you know some of the in interestingly a lot of the companies are like I'm starting to see the impact of what I'm saying and a lot of the conversation of pmf like that it is what if form and not so much frequency or cows and and there are there are very intelligent people who just don't agree with me and you know, hey, I could be wrong but [01:26:00] right now that's what the data is telling me.

[01:26:02] Yeah, you got it. Like you said earlier in the show. You gotta go with the data leads you okay? Look. Dr. Robert Dennis. It's been fascinating. I feel like we need to do you and I need to do a few more shows. You can call me anytime. Yeah, the website is micro - post.com show him some love. He brought only information here today.

[01:26:18] In fact, he told me he didn't want to plug his products at the beginning of the show, which if anybody knows me if you tell me you don't want me to pull your hair. I'm going to pull it a several times because that's the way I was raised. I look dr. Dennis. Thanks, man. This has been fun a lot of fun talking to you car.

[01:26:32] Alright. Talk to you later. Okay, and that's it for today's show. Tomorrow is Thursday we have. ReNew Life RX tomorrow, I believe no. No, do we know know we we actually have William Llewellyn making his debut on superhuman radio and it's been long overdue. He'll be on tomorrow to talk about his new growth hormone tests.

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