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[00:00:31] Welcome back to another episode of superhuman radio.  You know over the years I have communicated with many doctors who have taken information that they've learned here on the show and helped relatives.  These doctors are very courageous because most often they are stepping out of their Lane by their Lane.

[00:00:56] I mean, they're stepping out of what is considered the standard of care. Can get [00:01:00] them not only ostracized by their peers, but in the United States, you could lose your license to practice medicine. It's very scary and doctors are frustrated because they know they can help their patients quite often, but their hands are tied.

[00:01:15] So they just walk away. Compound that with this fact in the United States anybody over 80 is disposable insurance companies don't want to pay anything. If you're in your 80s, they want to turn you over to palliative care let you die, peacefully and. In fact, if you're in your 80s and something happens to you that you know, you can rebound from chances are your doctor won't be in on it.

[00:01:44] They'll say look there's nothing I can do for you go home, you know get your Affairs in shape and get ready to pass. But what happens when a doctor who is highly intelligent and well equipped to help someone he [00:02:00] loves perhaps the most of anyone. This world is faced with the idea of losing that person but knows deep down in his heart.

[00:02:10] He can help her. What does he do? Does he toe the line of medicine or does he do what is needed to be done? That is the story of my good friend. Dr. George truly Otto's joining us from Greece. How you doing, George? I'm well, thank you. It's nice being back on the show. And this is a great story because I was.

[00:02:32] Who says supportive of alternative approaches in medicine because I come from bodybuilding and there are so many things that the medical community is so prejudiced about and they don't deal with supplementation and other approaches because simply because. They they represent the big Pharma and as a doctor myself, I believe in medications, [00:03:00] but this this is half of the of the truth mean going by the book may lose half of the truth.

[00:03:08] So you have to follow also other things just like some limitation that they can contribute to better shielding strategies and. Medication have many side effects and also as a bodybuilder, I'm supported of anabolic steroids in certain diseases that Doctors close them the eyes and they do not see out of the box.

[00:03:35] So for instance for bone mineral density, the doctor should prescribe not prescribe. I mean administrate vitamin D3 with calcium for anemia. They prefer to give EPO instead of folks are. For muscle-wasting they that prefer to give a high caloric high protein diets even supplements. And yes, so they're all over.

[00:03:59] Let me [00:04:00] let me let me let me set the stage here. Let me set the stage and I want to I want to say something nurse Nelson Virgil. Yes. He was one of the authors of the book built to survive.  And they saved a lot of people who had AIDS by using. Therapies that the bodybuilding Community already understood.

[00:04:21] So what you what we're going to talk about today is not Reckless. There are some people out there would say this is reckless. This is not Reckless because you knew the outcome you knew the outcome, but let me set the stage for. Your grandmother raised you correct? Yes. She was my sniffer mode and today she is 104 years old, right?

[00:04:42] Yes. Okay, and you always send me pictures of her doing things and say Carl. She's a hundred four years old and so recently she became ill right. Yeah, she she was infected by ammonia, which is very serious disease for this age. And you know, she [00:05:00] was hospitalized for intravenous administration stacking or but I biotics but this of course has terrible side effects to the Gap and diarrhea and then from diarrhea, you can get urinary bladder infection and then we hydration dehydration could lead to death at a hundred four years old.

[00:05:19] Yes. Yes, so-so. You show the hospital. She was in.  The consensus around the treating the Physicians attending her was there wasn't a good prognosis for her. She was G good. The supervisor was my brother-in-law who's a cardiologist and he follows her since the past to get the kids. So yes, they administer her interventions points of course antibiotics.

[00:05:49] And then also the appropriate Lotto Bucky was for the intestinal Flora because you have horrible diarrhea and apart from diarrhea shows how the from E [00:06:00] coli then infection of the urinary bladder. So then she got the society. And she got she had also some trauma in the in the veins because she was very restless and she kept moving on the bed.

[00:06:14] So the veins broke and she had she was bleeding their plastic fact, she was using a screen as anticoagulant. So the Hamato cried when she was wrestling hospital was issuing 42 and drop to 32. And she felt horrible, of course plus the iron before 18 the fellated the B12 and when they will be doctors were dropping lat.

[00:06:36] I asked my sister, please keep 5 ml for myself in order to evaluate some blood work. So I'm is iron B12 or folate DHEA. And yes, that's all okay now but I mean she was this she was spiraling at this point in other words. Wasn't recovering. She was admitted she was admitted but [00:07:00] she would admitted for for pneumonia, but the treatments that she was receiving with the intravenous breaching her blood her veins.

[00:07:11] She was spiraling she was getting worse. Actually. She wasn't getting better. Well, they the initial they mean the first thing was to treat the infection. Okay, right because her oxygen saturation drops from 95. 80 and then she was using almost 24/7 oxygen saturation through the nose and why we could also wants to drop seat CRP C-reactive protein was 250.

[00:07:38] That's a long. Wow. Yes. Wow. Yes, what was that inflammation as a result of the infection. She was battling. Yes. Yes, and I actually wasn't of course vaccinated for the pneumonia pneumonia caucus for the you know for the virus because it's very dangerous for this age. And I guess somebody from us [00:08:00] in the was.

[00:08:02] Transmitted infection to her. So the doctors didn't pay any attention for the loss of muscle wasting for the next year. So I took it I took responsibility and I grab this chance with my sister apart from the medical. What did what did what did the what did the conversation sound like with your sister?

[00:08:20] Because you had to realize that that even though you were confident what you were about to embark on to to help her there was also a risk that if. Not work. What was the conversation like with your sister? Well, I first my sister to consider that we should Elevate factors like iron for lately 12 and and DHA in order to boost her stamina.

[00:08:46] And also we have to reverse muscle wasting through public service because we have natural.  The pharmacist or also some glutamine BCS collage and some other [00:09:00] agents. On the observations like 210 or alpha lipoic acid or extra vitamin C plus the father had to buy also glutathione from Italy so injector here and the point is to to give her a better, you know quality of living but now every every everything you just listed right now.

[00:09:20] Most physicians in the United States would be of be fine with oh, yeah B12. Iron, yeah, let's do that. But you just said nandrolone and when you say nandrolone, it's like it's like oh my God. Now you going to talk about anabolic steroids. That's what they're there are administrative in this case is for muscle wasting for age for the for cancer 4:30 and for you do you think they're you think they're administered here in the United States with people who are in their 80s and above?

[00:09:50] Also, you have low bone mineral density right abroad. So this is another factor that should be considered. Also Armenia an email. She was her [00:10:00] hemoglobin was 14 and then drop down to 11. Right right. So which excels you can fix the things anemia muscle wasting and osteoporosis and it's very cheap their books their we are comparing to the EPO and.

[00:10:18] Compared to what? Yo, yes, I can I could pretty much assure you that few if any physicians in the United States would walk into an 80 year old patient's room who is spiraling admitted with pneumonia now muscle wasting and a bunch of other things are happening. I can almost guarantee you. That few within that setting would say let's give this patient some nandrolone.

[00:10:45] Don't you think that's true in the United States the United States that if they took you can't do anything with antibiotics steroids. It's almost like you're it's a ho you're being risky. You're being Reckless. Now, you look girl you just have number one the pharmacist.  I would [00:11:00] imagine they do I would imagine they do but I don't think there's many Physicians that would prescribe nandrolone to an 80 plus year old patient ever.

[00:11:07] Jordan four-year-old woman all of them are surprised although and I look I'm not I'm not I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying to you that what you did therefore the decision.  Well, I'd again I don't know that many you us Physicians would do that just because of the negative stigma that any anabolic steroid has over it.

[00:11:32] This is the reality. That's it. It's because. Do it's a bad name, right? That's it. And so most people would say you were Reckless, but you knew the outcome you knew the outcome because you saw within the community of AIDS patients who literally came back to life by using anabolic steroids. And you know that these things work you've used them yourself you've prescribed them for patients, but this is different George.

[00:12:00] [00:12:00] This is a hundred four year old woman. She's very fragile. Number one. Most Physicians I would bet would not. Their license on a hundred four year old woman, they're going to say to themselves as she's going to last a year maybe a to anyway, why would I give this woman anabolic steroids and by the open myself up to possible litigation in the United States if they did that they would lose their license.

[00:12:23] I think so since my grandmother was injected the first injection milgram's that they are so she managed to do physical therapy and grab the bottle glass of water that she was not able and was like a miraculous thing my sister. It was very enthusiastic and she didn't expect that this so what I want you to explain this picture that I use.

[00:12:44] Hold on a second.  This picture on the left has the time of 11 something in the afternoon. And then the picture on the right is 1600 and later in the day.  So the leftist went.  [00:13:00] turn to the right. She came home. She was at best. He was in physical therapy or that's home on the right.  Which one physical therapy or home?

[00:13:09] Which one?  Yes, it was doing physical therapy to help at home is that she was about 160 pounds at 5 7 she was a big woman. She's a big woman bright why she was administered at the hospital and then she lost almost 20 pounds and we have to reverse this and to keep us. Much as much as we can. So so so you would say anyone would say her recovery was near miraculous.

[00:13:38] She went from spiraling out of control being weak and unable to sit up on her own to be able to sit in that chair within what period of time from the time that you gave her the nandrolone.  Listen a week that's amazing. We were also administrative. Eh. Okay quality. Why do you think the DHEA played such [00:14:00] an important role in this?

[00:14:04] She's 104. What do you expect to be the organs to live a vitally so yes, I administer 25 milligrams and we are according to the blood levels of HGH. And also we pushed it to the into the upper Limits The Iron deflate the B12 injections of B12.  Just colostrum in order to boost the costume is spent in your dorm rooms.

[00:14:31] So they boost the immune system glutathione 600 milligrams in each injection.  So, I believe that these things contributed because my sister from it's all that Georgia been which she would pass away if you didn't. So much take care of her we give here way putting every day. She cannot swallow easily food shown we blend her red meat she ate red meat all her life every week of your life, right [00:15:00] and with egg yolks and egg whites show six.

[00:15:04] So wait, wait, wait, wait, what was the eggs raw the eggs were. We have the liquids flow. Yeah. Okay. Yo, yes and within we've Let It Ends also efa's essential fatty acids. All right, and the liquid vitamins because you cannot also we open up the capsules and we will put the powder formula and it's something like it's not liquid but is not as creamy rightfully.

[00:15:38] Now your brother-in-law is an administrator at this hospital. Did you say he's a cardiologist and he takes care of yourself with a pacemaker. Okay, you know and so he was on board with this as well, right you consulted with him as well.

[00:15:55] Yeah, so my sister believes in that because also she she [00:16:00] supports my career and everything I do so, I believe my sister was a connection with the old fashioned and medicine and with. How's that? I'm more open-minded.  Of course the American society in the in the hospital had no idea about this. It was our responsibility because it was our right and I have to tell you that when she went to the private Clinic we have to stop this for one week because to the public hospital my brother-in-law is in charge, but right private we have to stop this protocol.

[00:16:36] So for one week you had. Draw this therapy that literally saved her from the the clutches of death, but you had happened. How did it so what happened when you stopped it did she start to relapse she was raining? Yes, she felt fatigued and basically she couldn't swallow and she was like under under ketosis [00:17:00] of the from the Restriction of food, but she was so weak.

[00:17:03] But her mind is is exceptional her brain. She did she know did you come to her and say grandmother we're going to do some things that we can do. What did she say?  I mean she's pleased and she believes she knows she has you know, she trusts us, right. Okay, so I'm going to take a commercial break, but I want when I come back I want to talk about where she is right now how she's doing, but I also want to spend this discussion.

[00:17:38] So get Martin told her about me. Yes, but your father into that you told me that your rocks and that we have in the show today. Good good. You'll have to show this you'll have to have Cho this after we produce it. This is going to be fun. I we're going to take one quick commercial break. We'll be right back.

[00:17:54] And I promise you you need to listen because if you have an elderly loved one in your life.  [00:18:00] They don't have to get sick. If you start to understand that they will Thrive from the same things that we do in this physical culture Community stay. Bright back.

[00:18:15] Welcome back we're talking with. Dr. George truly Otto's all the way from Athens. Right George you live in Athens right happens Greece the beginning of. Right. Okay. So, how's your grandmother doing now? How long ago was this entire event and how she doing today?  Certainly after the end of January.

[00:18:39] And it took almost two months. Yes on off and rushed to the hospital and back to home and then again to the hospital and then back to home again. No, she's with she has three daughters three grandchildren and three great-grandchildren.  So we [00:19:00] take care of here and this is the the importance of family.

[00:19:02] You understand that you have people to take care of you. Otherwise, you die like a dog right? And if she still doing the therapy the still taking the colostrums killed Tara did that the nandrolone? Yes, of course every week would not be injected here so far six shots of 15. Films and say yeah, we we tend to use more Force we have we take one piece at a time from the pharmacy and it's okay with this quantities and they say we also administer the whole package which is a Q10 DHEA colostrum alpha lipoic acid vitamin C glutathione efa's.

[00:19:45] Liquid vitamins B12 extra several we protein and and so how is she today? Is she thriving or she just hanging on? Yes, she has no [00:20:00] inflammation anymore. So no fever no infection. We take care of the blood work every every every week and she she has two shifts of nurses 12 hours each one for the night.

[00:20:14] Of a day and we try to see during certain insert times every 8 hours and also to administer her liquids from the mouth water from the mouth and because Pete revenge is not available my home. Yes, we try to be on time and very very very precise because you know, she gets easily dehydrated and they urea goes elevated right and you have to also take care of the calling deportation because hyperkalemia can lead to arrhythmias is very fragile.

[00:20:49] And it's measure everything and read write it down. So yes, this is very challenging for the. Not everyone can [00:21:00] get this care really the reason she's getting this character because she's surrounded by family members who have Physicians.  What's that? I think it is worth it. All right, we'll listen if it's you or me.

[00:21:13] And somebody's going we could do this or we can let you die. I would say no, it's worth it. Keep me going. I don't want to die yet, you know, I mean.

[00:21:24] How's your cognition? Is she she she did man way when Gateway was high because we measure it and was about three times as high as the she was kind of edgy and nervous. And maybe it was related with PhD. I don't know if you get hea is also metabolized to the HD and maybe perhaps one not over was administered to the system.

[00:21:49] She was kind of nervous and edgy, you know and cranky and she was complaining a bit more. But now it's better what you would you would you call it edgy or aggressive. [00:22:00] She was complaining more.

[00:22:04] Like like like like she had well, you know when you when you start feeling good you start complaining more sometimes about the things that you would just overlooked. Yeah. He felt Stronger Yeah, you

[00:22:18] know shows you start complaining and having expectations. So have you shared this information or the thought about putting a case study together about this this process? Open minded doctors say like it.  Of course, it's a fact that I have written also notable about reversing muscle-wasting third dates.

[00:22:42] Anemia and osteoporosis would not rule on. This is a miracle drug and all-time classics anabolic steroid done in small amounts. You can be very effective. Eating prison, shh costume reabsorption kidneys and also boosts EPO production and also is [00:23:00] responsible for protein synthesis, and it cost only three dollars and it's not it's not androgenic at all.

[00:23:07] So you don't have to worry about any time variation, very low energies is just Jenna City. So now let's talk about flip this a little bit so doesn't it make sense? In your 50s and 60s that you start this kind of a protocol so that as you age you remain robust and strong doesn't it make sense for doctors to start considering this type of a protocol for their elderly patients.

[00:23:36] Most those doctors are afraid. No you're too old. We can't give you that in case I think it is necessary in kissing you. Unless you have in case you have a drop in hormones in case you have the symptoms of low cognitive function of anemia of fragile bones of cachexia. Then you need this to reverse and to promote longevity and well-being.

[00:24:00] [00:24:01] I mean I'm thinking about this during the break longevity is basically anti dying when you think about it, right the flip side of the term longevity is not dying and if this stuff can help you not die then why not do it? Because the American society is not skeptical because has not has not dealt with this and they're suspicious because of the but name we give to the Box turrets.

[00:24:30] And perhaps there are alternative. I told you they'd prefer to give EPO instead of anabolic steroids. They prefer to give a high protein diet instead of anabolic steroids. Also, they prefer to problem to administrate vitamin D3 with calcium for osteoporosis. They're so close one in there. Hey, don't be touching and steroids.

[00:24:52] I mean anabolic steroids because cortisone is highly and yeah, and that'll that'll waste you awake that corticosteroids will waste you [00:25:00] away. They'll have their fine with that. I'll give you that stuff all day long. Yeah, what does open up your muscles and your bones as well, but coaches are also is miraculous for the infections.

[00:25:10] We gave courtesan who administer bottle to my grandmother and the the new money I was gone, right? Yeah, it's miraculous. But it has this the flip side to side effects. So make it was necessary after Portugal. Why not? Testosterone Georgia? Why not just a little bit of testosterone. She's a woman.

[00:25:30] I don't know. We have 250 milligrams. It's a lot maybe maybe in jail. We have the jail cells in Greece, but I don't think this is another has more anabolic as a matter of fact that unless of the genic. So I think it's up to the point the novel.  I just started adding 20 milligrams a day of nandrolone phenyl propionate into my regimen.

[00:25:56] I'm doing I'm doing short Esters now [00:26:00] and daily injections and I like it. I like it a lot and so I'm using testosterone propionate short distances that they do not fluctuate the levels.  Therefore they are steady and this. Very important for e 2 and E HT but I just added added just 20 milligrams of natural and phenyl propionate into the mix.

[00:26:24] Would you be a proponent of that for an older guy like me and my 60s do you feel less 18 on the shoulders or yeah, I definitely have less muscle joint pain definitely have less joint pain. Yeah, the other stones that the wholesale showroom and Wanderers. So you have these water intention which is lubricating the joints novel cavity.

[00:26:49] As a matter of fact, I use 50 milligrams occasion. We for instance for eight weeks in a row. And yes, I [00:27:00] can I can tell that I feel less less cracking on my cracking my shoulders.  But 25 is is 25 every day or every other day 20. 20 milligrams of phenol proton nandrolone phenyl appropriate everyday because it has a 3 has a 3-day half has a three-day Half-Life I read.

[00:27:24] Yeah, this is underground. It's not pharmaceutical with boys from Mexico. No, no. No, it's it's from a pharmacy and Uruguay. Yeah.  Yeah, it's a hundred milligrams per milliliter. I want to tell you that my grandmother has no soul lightness and. She never had a fracture in her life. No bone fractures at all.

[00:27:48] She was a very energetic and she was working the fields with her grandmother and her mother in the village and she was very energetic or her life. I mean, she was 80 years old [00:28:00] and people were telling my she said he sure is she your mother. Yes. So what about I'm sorry. I mean she followed or he'll I've never smoked never drunk if it.

[00:28:13] No alcohol, she ate a Mediterranean diet on some olive oil red meat. She was never an emic.  Yes. Yeah, if she's an impressive woman. She really she really did live her life. What we would consider a very clean diet. No coffee either that's impressive. I think that's great because I am very suspicious about coffee.

[00:28:37] And whenever I say that all the coffee lovers come out after me, so I stopped saying it but I'm very suspicious about coffee all these are the optional liver. You know, what you know, what George everything that is bad for us. They find reasons that it's good for us, right? Oh alcohol is good for you wine red wine is good for you.

[00:28:57] But the reality is alcohol [00:29:00] is a neurodegenerative. Okay, don't you agree with out there for listeners in red wine in a reversal?  But there's other ways to get Resveratrol Resveratrol is in peanut. I mean in the the you get the same amount from a red wine glass of red wine as you do from a handful of peanuts.

[00:29:18] Well grapes and the rates to eat a grape if you want Resveratrol eat a great but doesn't have to have alcohol in it. That's my point and I'm starting to connect dots about coffee and it doesn't matter if it's organic if it's mold-free. There are some nasty things. I. That coffee is doing I can't prove it.

[00:29:37] But I predict that in another decade. It's going to start to come to fruition that that people are going to start identifying a lot of their gut problems with their favorite coffee and that much of the mission of the coordinator of this increase, both both.  Massa Bennett, but lots of things do that without any negative effects.

[00:29:58] Yes arguing also [00:30:00] should anyway, what about peptides George? Doing anything with peptides yet. But to myself I used some more lean and G chapter 6 for 1 month for over a week because there was a guy who gave it to me. He didn't want to use it anymore. So in first playing what I noticed was the better quality of sleep and increased hunger my appetite was.

[00:30:23] Yeah, then another might've won it was no higher than the highest rings. So supposed to boost your endogenous growth hormone production, but not super high 81 in order to promote muscle growth. Perhaps some hot clothes because Jason first place does fat burning so but but in Greece at this point in time are peptides, like some of the ones I've done shows on thymosin alpha 1 no grunting clinics that I have two of [00:31:00] them know there are there are aware only of God.

[00:31:03] But no pictures. No your. Light years far away you go. Yeah, you need to bring it you I do that show every other week the pep talk with. Dr. Carl page. He's an MD like you and we've done some groundbreaking discussions. In fact, next Friday. We're going to talk about the copper peptide G GK U. I think it's called It's A tripeptide A Tree Grows hair.

[00:31:31] Yeah, there are some dermatologists are aware of Milano time, right? Yeah. You're supposed to get a tent without getting the UV and Destroy, right? It works. I use it. I use it. I use it about two or three times a week, but just a small dose 25 micrograms, but I use it not for tanning. I use it because it can actually well.

[00:31:54] First of all, it's one of the most powerful [00:32:00] anti-inflammatory agents. You can find the for Milano court and receptors that are stimulated by it. Chronic inflammation boom like that, but more importantly one of the things it does is it reduces inflammation in the intima the lining of arteries and it actually allows the plaque to be reabsorbed.

[00:32:22] I wrote a Blog about this a couple years ago. It's fantastic. But very you just need a low dose. You don't need a lot low dose Universe with romantic, but every verse is it the body reabsorbs it there's a good study that's on my website. I'll send you the link to read and that's when I started taking melanotan in low therapeutic doses 25 20 micrograms a day.

[00:32:44] That's all you need. I was thinking about it be stretched my grandmother Twilight usable form or you know that to make her spirit already muscles in your muscles to work more efficiently and breathe but it was rejected from my brother-in-law and for my [00:33:00] sister isn't that funny? They think that they think that's too Reckless.

[00:33:03] That's so funny to me. Okay, we have nothing to lose. That's my point at that point in time. You have nothing to lose but but actually aren't her growth hormone levels and igf-1 levels going to go up just with the nandrolone.  Yes, supposedly. Yes, also with the social Force. Yes. Yes, they can but they say that growth hormone is really effective for anti-aging.

[00:33:28] In appropriate doses growth hormone is one of those things that too much will actually speed you along to death in the low doses to IU's a day five days a week or less. That's kind of like the sweet spot when you start using bodybuilder doses 10 IU's a day now you're being. Let's now after your after your fork is a decline your your I mean we age because they were moved to climb.

[00:33:53] That's not the only reason there's a lot of good research coming out now. Dr. [00:34:00] McHale blackish glowny who I've had all my show a few times. Has really made me understand what happens to senescent cells that and senescent cells build up in the body like metabolic waste and they make all the cells around them sick.

[00:34:18] And this is what we can really attribute to the phenotypical changes that we see in aging there's lots of things that there's lots of things that increase senescent cells the things that reduce senescent cells. Obviously, that's the stuff you have to focus on. Seller apoptosis oxidative stress so our death, you know what the funny thing is intense exercise is one of the best things you can do to actually turn senescent cells back to in back into quiescent.

[00:34:50] Well physical activity can improve improve the cerebral blood flow and oxygen supply to the brain and you can prevent the in [00:35:00] your generation of the central nervous system neurons.  Imagine that when we work out, we think fasten our cognitive abilities poops, right? Because their supply also improves and also perhaps serotonin and dopamine also input right?

[00:35:16] I know that when I feel horrible I go to the. Been trained and I feel better and and that's that's what medicine is supposed to do for you. So as far as I'm concerned the gym is my is my clinic and I go there and I take my medicine. That's it. I want to take one last commercial break stay tuned.

[00:35:34] We're gonna be right back and we're going to wrap up this discussion about what can be done for people as they age to help them age better.

[00:35:44] Charles Spencer the telling me to turn my mic down. Yeah, it's the audio for the Facebook live and the audio for the podcast. They're not the same. And [00:36:00] so in order for me to get the podcast right? I have to turn the mic up, but then the Facebook live suffer, so I just turned it down and plus I tend to get too close to my mic I think as well.

[00:36:10] So hopefully this will fix things. Let me know please Charles if my mic sounds better so. What can we take away from your grandmother? What's your grandmother's first name by the way? Hello. What is it? Helen Helen? Okay, like like 1915 is her name. Really Helen or is it Helena?  Eleni Eleni, okay.

[00:36:35] So what can we take away from this should should more people be looking at this type of a protocol for their elderly loved ones. You think? I think so in case there is a need for that. Yes, we can use and we can see outside the box.  But under reasonable, I mean not abuse and we have to use this [00:37:00] very considerable because they are very fragile organisms and they're not of course active people athletic people in they need a boost of nutrients, but we have to administer the correct amounts and under moderation.

[00:37:15] I mean, I killed my sister if my grandmother does not need Deca then who am I supposed to you? I am I supposed to use that as not my grandmother that she is wasting and she's anemic and obviously this week people need this extra boost of hormone synthesis from derivatives. There are made for them not for athletes.

[00:37:36] Exactly. In fact, that's who they were made for. In fact Deca was made for women undergoing breast. And ovarian cancer treatments so that they wouldn't waste muscle but it wouldn't stimulate any estrogen production. So that's why Deca was actually created, right?  But don't you think that the problem in their breast cancer is elevation of [00:38:00] estrogens know if you're out.

[00:38:02] Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no all cancers start the same all cancer start the same the might of the mitochondria that are all cancers all Cantor start the same. There's the mitochondria goes bad and the cell switches to to anaerobic respiration which depends on glycolysis and then see cancer is the most evolved from an evolutionary perspective the most evolved of all cells.

[00:38:31] It's designed to live and live and grow and grow and mutate and mutate and so everything that's good for healthy cells is good for can. Dell's and what cancer cells do is they eat up? They they consume everything that's good for cell growth. Well, estrogen is good for cell growth growth hormone.

[00:38:51] Igf-1 is good for cell growth. Kabbalah glucose is good for cell growth. So everything that's good for healthy cells is good for cancer cells [00:39:00] and cancer cells hog it all so yeah.

[00:39:06] That's where it all starts and and adopt a tub that way when we get one thing. I dr. Thomas Seyfried. Did a study that was reproduced where he took the mitochondria out of a cancer cell and put it into a healthy cell and the DNA in the healthy cell changed and it became became Uncle lytic it became a cancer cell.

[00:39:32] He took a healthy mitochondria and put it into a cancer cell and the cancer cell turned back into a normal cell. So the. The mitochondria becomes dysfunctional first before any genetic changes occur in the cell. So this idea that we're looking for the genetic causes for cancer is a waste of time.

[00:39:53] So wait for it. Say again, what about chronic inflammation? Oh [00:40:00] chronic inflammation is one of the things that destroys the the mitochondria. I knew that alcohol destroys might have you read have you read the book by dr. Thomas Seyfried cancer as a metabolic disorder?  You must read it your patients will benefit from you reading it.

[00:40:21] You must read it. It will change it will change the way you look at cancer forever. It will. And it's a profound book and the science in it is solid science, but yet you don't see anybody at you know, any of these cancer foundation's paying attention to it at all because there's no money and telling people.

[00:40:44] Eat different we have two specific but there is a genetic predisposition and the family history for cancer. So yes, there are genetic predispositions for cancer, but I'm gonna I'm gonna but I'm going to give you an analogy that's [00:41:00] extreme and probably stupid but it makes the point. Okay you and I are not genetically predisposed to breathe water.

[00:41:11] So if we go in the ocean we go in the. In C and we take a deep breath underwater we drown right so someone someone from the geneticist side could say oh you have a genetic predisposition to drown because you have read water. They have no gills to have their lungs. No, but that's my point in saying saying saying that people have a genetic predisposition to cancer is.

[00:41:35] Does it mean that they have to get cancer if genetics was all there is that every woman who has a bracha jean would get cancer but they don't expose this environment. So what's really causing the cancer then the gene or the environment? Oh, he sees the expression of the genotype in the Senate. I see I see.

[00:41:59] This is [00:42:00] where I disagree with modern medicine. I really do if you tell me that if I if I get shot in the heart, I died a hundred people get shot in the heart. They died. Then I will say yes being shot in the heart. This causes death until someone shows me a gene that everybody who has that Gene. No matter how they live their life gets cancer.

[00:42:25] Then I will believe there's a genetic predisposition for cancer, but there is no genetic predisposition just like this the genetic predisposition to drown if you breathe water, there are people who get lung cancer without School.  Okay, but they came but there but but but that doesn't but cigarette smoking is.

[00:42:44] The only thing that causes lung cancer, I bet you money that in years to come we're going to find out that people who have Gerd have a higher rate of lung cancer. Why because they are aspirating horrible stuff that's coming up from their stomach. You [00:43:00] said run?  People get melanoma in the toes, but there's no sun exposure right because because melanoma comes from your diet the sun is an unwitting participant.

[00:43:11] That's it. The melanoma comes from your diet just the same way that if you eat foods high in astaxanthin they protect in fact, I remember reading a study about 10 years ago that showed what happened. Krill oil is blending steps. Yeah, it could protect against cancer. So that means if you could eat something that gets to your skin that protects against cancer then you can eat something that gets your skin that causes cancer when it's exposed to the Sun.

[00:43:40] So what's your diet that's causing the cancer. Not the Sun.

[00:43:46] Because think about this for a second George, I'm wondering what did your mother wasn't your Sciences?  Yeah, but anyway, let's get off that so let's wrap up the show and just talk about your grandmother. Hellena Sochi [00:44:00] Sochi is thriving now. She is you're going to continue to give her the DECA 50 milligrams a.

[00:44:06] We hope will be when CRP goes single digital that she can improve with physical therapy. And finally she can work the way she used to.  Because it's a long process You Know Carl one year in after 100 years old one year is like a take a right, right. So the even the the Improvement is very slow is gradual, but it is very slow and Progressive and we had you have.

[00:44:35] Well patient.  It's not like asking me that way. We have almost half of her aides, right?  Right. Yes. Well, I think I think she benefit from this and my sister is positive above us and she's 42 to have us and she's blessed and we are also blessing we need her physically, you [00:45:00] know her appearance.

[00:45:02] Anything who's going to do this for us when we're old? I don't know. I really don't know and I'm worried about this and sometimes I think that it's better to not to shop for you know, and if you're not because it's expensive also, I spend almost $500 in supplementation and everything and this is for just for nutritional right right committee has a nurses because hospitalizations another another story but my family also, What's this but you know life is so precious even in this state.

[00:45:36] Yes, she's very lucky to have you and your sister and your brother-in-law. I tell you that right now very lucky. Yeah, just lucky to have a family in this is the importance of Life having a family and you know, I think this is the family is far better than a career. Yes, you're only telling you know this.

[00:45:56] Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're all about family. Gee [00:46:00] tools.com GTO you l.com is your website, right? But is that all in Greek your website? Oh, no, I have two chapters in the English one is called medical and the others called me solano's and there are almost 60 articles that are also enclosed in my book that I sent you and in case you are in Vegas in September, I hope to meet you again.

[00:46:20] Yeah. Maybe they're we're going to say and you also a writing a regular article now for muscular development right doctor testosterone. Yes. Yes.  On a monthly basis and I have a weekly show also with Ron Harris.  Yes, I hope to be more famous when I come to the states for the second time. Yeah, Denver people will know who you are.

[00:46:41] Now. There's no doubt about it. I want I want to thank you for being good when you gave me the ability to. You just went to your show and maybe there was a terrible connection with the phone and watch our first show they came the second the third and the fourth and thank [00:47:00] you for this and I met you also few months out later in Columbus with Alicia.

[00:47:05] And yes it all started from you. I want a copy. I want to come to visit you in Greece. I really want to come to Greece that Lisa does too. So we may plan a trip eventually and hopefully we're going to be able to hang out with you. I want to thank you for talking about this. This is a really important subject that may not.

[00:47:20] Is sexy is bodybuilding, but the reality is the drugs that we use in physical culture to make us perform better. They have a an overlap value in anti-aging and the remaining before us right George. Thank you so much for being on the show. You have a wonderful weekend there in Greece. Okay. Okay.

[00:47:46] Thank you. We will see everybody tomorrow. No tomorrow. I'm off tomorrow. I'll be back on the air Monday. That's it for this week. Hope you enjoyed all the shows will see you then. Take [00:48:00] care.