[00:00:00] Hey, hey, welcome back to another episode of superhuman radio. Today is July 11 2009 teen I've been told that I need to start saying the date at the beginning of the show because someday when future Generations find the show and they listen to some of these discussions they go holy crap. This guy was talking about that all the way back in 2019.

[00:00:51] So I'm humoring Sean concern Shield my super fan and I am doing that now before we get started [00:01:00] with today's super humans among us. We're going to talk it to Lynn Wright and just a moment. I have to toot my own horn. So, you know that the past couple years. I have been talking about the ketogenic diet not necessarily in a negative way, but.

[00:01:18] Let's say a realistic way. I have been looking at the ketogenic diet through evolutionary eyes and saying, you know, when would we have found ourselves in ketosis and that would have been starvation and is it good to strive for a state where the body thinks? It's starving and I've said no and I've done some groundbreaking shows where you explode we've explored science with Joel green.

[00:01:42] We've looked at a hunter gatherer. Populations that are still intact and we looked at their diets and we looked at the possibility of them being in ketosis. And we've said no, they're not they're never in ketosis.  Of course, we're all in some state of ketosis first thing in the [00:02:00] morning if we've slept without food.

[00:02:03] For 12 to 16 hours and would not talk about the half a millimole. The 1 millimolar of ketones that we wake up with. I'm talking about this absurd pursuit of getting deeper and deeper into ketosis. Assuming you're not battling brain cancer or epilepsy or some sort of seizures. I've said that this is a mistake and of course there's a huge ketogenic Community out there that have said I'm stupid.

[00:02:30] I don't get it. They made fun of me on YouTube. Well, dr. Miguel blackish glowny who has been studying how to reverse senescent cells for 35 years. He's the editor-in-chief of three different scientific journals including cell. Who's been on my show a couple times since 2014?  And who's done most of the really important work on rapamycin as an anti-aging drug?

[00:03:00] [00:03:00] Just sent me a study last night to review. First of all how flattered and I am I that this guy sends me a study wants me to review it and give him his my opinion before he publishes it the guy is the the editor-in-chief of three prestigious scientific journals.  And what is it about? It's about the ketogenic diet and how in some circumstances it can cause insulin resistance because of its roots in.

[00:03:32] Evolution and when and why we would have found ourselves in ketosis. Oh my God Carl's been talking about that for a couple years, but who's Carl Carl is this idiot? Who does this podcast?  well. Once the paper is published will be on the show and I will be Vindicated because all of those out there who said I didn't know what I was talking about.

[00:03:55] I don't understand the ketogenic diet. I don't understand ketosis. They've made fun of me. Could you imagine this [00:04:00] guy talking to dr. Peter a TIA Peter T would think this guy's an idiot? I've seen that on YouTube recently. Now, it turns out I'm not an idiot when you apply critical thinking and you don't get stuck in in your agenda driven Dogma.

[00:04:13] And you look at the ketogenic diet from how it would have occurred through Evolution. You realize it only happened when we were starving near death in a famine and telling your body that that's where you are is not a good thing. It turns out. Oh my God, so I'm tooting my own horn here. Because I'm tired of getting lambasted by people who pretend to be the leaders in that segment their anyway, okay, so I've said my piece and now let's get on with superhumans Among Us.

[00:04:42] These are people I do this series because there are people in my audience. That amaze me there are people in my audience that could do this show when I die. Someone's going to end up doing this show. It's probably gonna be somebody from my audience. There are people in my audience that I am inspired by because I am no different than anybody else.

[00:04:59] I'm [00:05:00] always going through challenges in my life. One of those people is Lynn, right? How you doing? Fine? Thanks Cole. Yes, good morning. Good morning. So Lynn is kept in touch with me. She's been a fan of the show. How many years have you been listening to show now? Oh man, probably 10, okay. And through that period of time then you came to the show probably for different reasons, but through that period of time you've evolved into a love of physical cultural going to talk about that but you've always kept in touch with me and told me things you've sent me studies you've sent me potential guess you've been a real asset to the show and and I've always been amazed by you because you seem to be someone who has channeled all the best things that life has to offer.

[00:05:44] If I may say your heart attack, well your attitude your you know, your attitude you love for Life your willingness to do and try all sorts of new things without any type of restriction. You know, that's a blessing. So let's start at the beginning. Let's talk [00:06:00] about you as a child growing up in a household.

[00:06:02] Where were you? Where did you develop this lack of let's say creative restrictions for your life. Well, I grew up in Southern California. And as I told you earlier to very active athletic parents, we water-skied all summer and snow ski tow winter and I was always Outdoors course in Southern California.

[00:06:22] It's easy to do and I was you know in a tree or on my bicycle and. And we ate right we didn't go out to fast food. My mother always cooked fresh at home, which also was a big deal. So the lifestyle I grew up in was very, you know, amenable to the rest of my life of just staying active and you know unreasonably nothing too extreme, but just realizing that my physical body was very important.

[00:06:52] And my father was a big lose a hero of mine and he was a real go-getter is a fighter pilot in [00:07:00] World War Two. We flew a P38 in the South Pacific and he was a smart guy and they're all kinds of different things that a machine shop and Southern California and he built early for patient tank back in the 70s for a research at UCLA who was doing longevity research, and he was also very.

[00:07:22] Physically, he would try anything do anything and I just you know, what been emulated him. So I sort of learned from the early age that I could do anything. I put my mind to and I was always encouraged to you know, spread my wings and try something different. So that's that's get me through my whole life.

[00:07:41] Okay, so. Do you love the sun? Are you someone who I love the sun? Yes, and I'm with you call I get my vitamin D in the summer months lying naked on the roof of my house here in Tucson, Arizona because I much to the Chagrin of my dermatologist who always warns [00:08:00] me. But yeah, I lay out in the sun, you know, 10 minutes on a side like three four times a week and my vitamin D.

[00:08:05] Is it like 60 65 all throughout the summer? So yes, I love the sun. I don't burn anymore. I burned a lot as a kid, but. Now I take the sun I had. Oh, I wish I wish people would say to their dermatologist. What did we do before Dermatology science? How did we how did we get this far without skin cancer and also stuff and I see they don't understand the relationship between skin cancer and die.

[00:08:30] Yeah, that's the problem. That's right. Dr. Peck lie. Yeah, and I see that in some of your pictures. You've got a nice golden color and it looks very natural on you and it's good. It's you know that we evolved Under the Sun now all of a sudden the sun is bad for us. I don't believe it. Yeah, so let's go through the early years.

[00:08:50] What about physical culture going to the gym and training and stuff like that? You grew up in, California. Where people like Jack LaLanne arm and [00:09:00] Tani. Yeah, Paul Bragg, you know people may not realize this but during the tuberculosis outbreak, which was Nationwide. People who was sent to California to the facilities there seem to do much better.

[00:09:18] And one of the reasons was in California. One of the things that they did was they they took their patients and put them outside on Gurney's in the sun all day long, California became known as like the Mecca. For healing because it was the are the ocean the Sun and all that sort of stuff. And as a result of that there were a lot of people who influenced Health throughout the the world including Jack LaLanne Armament, Annie and Paul Bragg.

[00:09:46] So did you hear their messages when you were a young girl? Oh, yeah, especially Jack LaLanne. My mother was a big fan of his and I can remember watching him black and white TV, you know, they come on ladies getting off the couch and go get your kitchen chair. [00:10:00] He would have a chair and then you get the boom with a mop out and start doing stuff and so on.

[00:10:05] Yeah. I just I just kind of always understood that this is what you needed to do. But you know their gyms weren't a big thing. In fact, I remember to going to and I think it was an arm and Tani gym, and they had those. Machine that you put the belt around your waist and it was jiggle jiggle the fat.

[00:10:22] I remember I don't know. I just thought this is kind of contrived. You know, it's better that you go out and play tennis or swim in the ocean or do this this kind of stuff. So I never you know didn't get involved with Jim's but I've always been interested in strength. I have memories of sitting on my dad's lap watching TV when bodybuilding, you know, Arnold was a you know, I just love Schwarzenegger and they used to have some of the competition's on television.

[00:10:49] But watch those we always watch the Olympics. I'd always watch the weightlifting. So, you know, it's just been fascinated with strength and musculature, you know throughout my [00:11:00] whole life. It's you know, and I like big go outside and walk around and think oh, there's a rock. Can I pick it up? You know, can I do there with you?

[00:11:07] Oh, yeah. I always wanted to test myself like what can I do? You know what? You know what I'm a small gal and it's like well, it's just, you know, it's all relative. Let's see if I can pick. Stop or move this and you remember pudgy Stockton? No, I don't suppose you Stockton was a female strength athlete back in the Heyday, you know, probably a little bit before Jack LaLanne know probably maybe a little bit before Jack loins time.

[00:11:36] Maybe just a little bit before but yeah, she was a she was her real. First name was Abby and she was a professional strong woman. And she would perform on on Venice Beach and the beaches in California with with alongside the guys and she would lift, you know hundred and twenty pound dumbbells [00:12:00] overhead.

[00:12:00] I think the greatest she ever did was she did an overhead. She did a handstand press of with a hundred eighty pound man. She pressed him up into the sky. Whoa, I know and she was the Forerunner for she kind of gave women. She gave women the permission to be strong but sexy cause pudgy stocks and was abuse.

[00:12:25] She was beautiful. She was you know, she was a California girl. She had that beautiful glow about her. She had a great figure and he or she is hanging out with guys like John grimek and the rest of them at Santa Monica California doing all this stuff and I think a lot of young girls looked at her and said wow girls can be strong.

[00:12:42] Yeah, we can be strong. Yeah, I used to live fairly near Venice Beach and I'd ride my bike down there and watch him in the pen and lifting weights. But no, I don't remember her but now I have to look her up. Oh you like you like her so she has a very interesting story. Yeah. Alright. Okay, so you get through your life.

[00:12:59] You've [00:13:00] always had an interest in strength. But when do you decide you know, I'm going to try Olympic weightlifting. Yeah that came about only about three years ago. I was visiting my mother in Santa Fe and she'd been a longtime member of Carl and Sandra's gym, which is quite famous Carl Miller is.

[00:13:20] Olympic coach each nationally World Nash World coach as well for the Olympic teams u.s. Teams and I went into the gym with her one day and I'd known Carl cuz my mother's been you know had trained in his gym for so long and he knew me and so he said, well, actually I think I came to him and I said, you know Carl, I've always kind of been interested in the Olympic lifts and he's the won't come back tomorrow and I'll give you an hour.

[00:13:46] It's like whoa. All right, you know an hour with calm. Learners gym, that's pretty good. So came back the next day and you know, I been involved with Jim's before I used to work out. I mean first year my verbally worked out and it [00:14:00] was a Sports Connection in Santa Monica in the 80s, you know when it was.

[00:14:04] You know kind of the Jane Fonda era and a lot of aerobics and leg warmers and this kind of thing. But anyways, I train with a guy there who was a bodybuilder Dave Master eraqus. He was a mr. New England. I believe back in the day. So anyways, I you know done like lot of machines and novelist machines and but never free weights and certainly never an Olympic.

[00:14:29] You know Olympic Bar and Olympic lifting so I was really excited. So I went in with Carl and you know, he just showed me the Motions of the PVC pipe and then he says to me. Okay, go to the rack there and pick out a 5 kilo bar and I had no idea that Bars were as you know, there was a female bar and a junior bar and you were training bar and I was like, which one is that Carlos?

[00:14:50] Is that one right there? So the minute I got that bar in my hand and started the basics of the snatch and the clean and jerk. I thought whoa, this [00:15:00] is fun. I mean, this is really because I've never done anything Dynamic right? You know, it's just like sitting on that damn machine and pushing and watching the weights go up and down and up and down and you know, so this is like wow, this is you know, This could be great fun.

[00:15:14] So I was 60 at the time and you know, I'm just visiting there. So I said okay Carl, how do I find a coach? He says well look on the u.s. Aw, the USA weightlifting site and you know, hopefully you'll find a coach and I found a coach through the u.s. Aw website and that was at six. And today 860 answer that today, you're 62.

[00:15:35] Okay guys one establish the age here because yeah, the reason I say, this is really this is this interview is very important and as you and I kind of talked off offline also.  that. You know, you don't really think about aging until you get old. You don't you don't plan for it when you're 40 or 30 or 50 even potential is something magical that happens when you turn 60, it's like wow, I'm 60 now [00:16:00] like okay now I can see the end of the tunnel a little bit better, you know.

[00:16:06] Yeah, and a lot of people feel that when they get into age of 60 that oh my time for this has passed all my time for that has passed and that's a very sad feeling you know, and so a lot of people and women especially but guys to when we get into the 60s we feel like, you know, I just don't think if I really wanted to be great at this I'd have the ability to and they're wrong aren't.

[00:16:33] Yeah, very wrong. You know no matter where you are. You're starting point. You can you can always get better. There's always something you can do, you know, and it might take some, you know, looking around and finding a gym, but it's it's something I think you need to carry through your whole life.

[00:16:51] It's like breathing or eating or sleeping all these things, you know, we can't deny our physical bodies [00:17:00] and their. You know, you have to modify it a bit, you know at 60, you know, it's like darn it. I didn't have a Olympic Bar in my hands when I was 10, you know, unfortunately, but there's always something you can do and it's I mean, it's important at any age, but I think when you get older.

[00:17:17] It's it makes it you know, even more important because you start losing, you know, strength and flexibility and I see so many women in such poor shape. There are my age and you know, people are amazed at what I do and it's like well maybe you could do something similar to they just don't you know challenge themselves and put themselves in the situation to give it a go, you know about the flexibility for a second.

[00:17:38] So I you've heard me say on this show numerous times that women outlive men. But the and the and women end up in institutions more often and the thing that prompts the woman to end up in an institution is she falls a couple times getting out of a chair? And once that happens they say oh, well, you can't live by yourself now.

[00:17:59] And so, [00:18:00] you know staying being able to be ambulatory being able to easily get out of a chair and do little things like that. So go back to when you were 16. I know you've stayed in good shape your whole life. You've been Physically Active your whole life, but go back to when you were 16 when you first embarked on Olympic lifting and today.

[00:18:19] Do you feel greater control and stability and flexibility today than you did back then? For sure, I mean, especially strength Mobility. Yeah, I just. I would say I would have to say everything is improved for sure just going around day-to-day stamina has improved strength. Yeah, and a lot of that has to do with the explosive type movements.

[00:18:51] Yeah that that Olympic lifting our and that's really where they differ from anything people are doing in Jim's unless they're doing CrossFit that there's it's [00:19:00] completely different when you start talking about. Mike loading of muscles. It's one thing to say you're dead lifting or you're squatting or your bench pressing.

[00:19:07] But now when you're throwing the weight around and you're having to counterbalance the weight. By moving your body through space and then catch the weight and do you know there's a lot of technique in Olympic lifting. So there's a lot of thought there's a lot of brain work that goes into it as well.

[00:19:25] There's a there's a big difference with between Olympic lifting and the stuff that you're doing when it when you start to talk about making a person especially women. I want women to really hear this message be able to have better control of their bodies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's it is very Dynamic and it was surprised when I started to learn these lifts how mental it was.

[00:19:49] I mean, there's you know, you could studies these two lifts that you know to somebody who doesn't know and they look at it on the TV or something say oh, well, that doesn't look so hard then you get that barbell and you [00:20:00] know, you got to keep a close. Yeah, you know flew off the floor speed through the middle and punch it over your head and it's it is very Dynamic and.

[00:20:09] Probably something I've learned the most with this Olympic lifting is the like the power of the mind to to believe you can do it to have the courage because I was very afraid when I first smelled not very afraid but especially the horses you were cautious, right? I was cautious and I would like the night before ever trained with Matt and Carol, which I'll tell you about my coach and lifting buddy.

[00:20:35] You know, I'd have like sleepless nights who's like, oh my God, you know. My going to drop the bar and the other thing is your you tell your friends and neighbors and you know, they're my age. It's like oh my God, you know, what is she doing now, you know crazy girl and you know, it's like, oh, you know people thought of me you don't like breaking my back or dropping the bar on my head or else have it reminded me when I.

[00:20:55] Rode a motorcycle. I bought a Harley in La like I don't know 30 years ago now and [00:21:00] all I heard was like, oh no motorcycles. Oh this oh that you know, so I heard yeah. I heard the same thing about weightlifting, you know, how dangerous it was and so, you know, I was yeah, I'd never falling a barbell with any kind of weight over my head.

[00:21:13] So it was it was very challenging but you know with a good coach and starting easy. I mean it'll start with the PVC and then the 5 key will bar and I. You know for me, it was just a matter of like trusting in the process trusting in like coach showing up, you know with this best sleep and best nutrition and ready to go and I just I just kept putting myself there and then you know, I would.

[00:21:38] You open now for the dry and I get butterflies in my stomach and my God, and then the other funny thing is is that when I started to you know, I didn't know what a PR was but when I started like, oh I lifted that over my head now all that's pretty good. There was one day this was maybe a year and a half ago and Matt would just okay Lynn a tequila.

[00:21:58] Okay had two kilos [00:22:00] like a take the white ones off but the put the green change plates on and then I started you know, my head starts going thinking like, who is this a PR? What? It's like don't even countless on the bar. Right? You know, it's Matt says, you know, he knows me he knows my body knows my ability.

[00:22:15] He knows I'm a novice it but if he puts he tasks me to load the bar with that weight. He's pretty damn sure I can write it correctly. So I trust him like. Absolutely completely. So this one day, you know, it's just a great day and I felt good and you know, I've had enough aggression because that's another thing I struggle with is being aggressive in the lift.

[00:22:35] And I finally put the bar down. I looked at Matt I said, how much was that? He said well, you know, like I made three PR's that day because I didn't get caught up in my head of rice like oh my God, you know, I'm gonna drop this or you know, all these stupid things you think of so what what I want to take a break when we come back.

[00:22:50] I want you to address the statement you just made about. About being more aggressive. I want to talk about that. I want to talk about what you've done [00:23:00] to change that and what that how that's affected the rest of your life to because chances are people who aren't aggressive in the gym are generally inhibited in other areas of life, too.

[00:23:14] So, let's talk about the only come back. Okay. I stay tuned we'll be right back with more of Lynn rights. They took welcome back were talking with Lynn, right? She is one of the superhumans in our audience.  Talk about aggression for a second. So you have to be aggressive when you are throwing those weights around that takes a certain amount of trust in your own ability.

[00:23:35] But you know, I did a show in 2007 where we talked about how grunting actually increases. Strength by upwards of five percent and they call it vocal disinhibition and the scientists had on the show explained that if you're inhibited.  because grunting May [00:24:00] attract attention make other people around you feel uncomfortable.

[00:24:03] You're also going to be inhibited about about exemplifying strength. You're going to be inhibited about. Displaying Brute Force because you're afraid that other people around you may be uncomfortable which is actually accurate. We fast-forward to Planet Fitness where everybody gets hurt feelings if you if you have muscles or you sweat too much.

[00:24:26] And so then this is legitimate. So how did you overcome this? And and and how do you turn the aggression on when it's needed? Yeah. It's a good question. I just know that in order to make the lift. I have to be aggressive and I have this, you know, it's like somebody's metal look at me after left and I'll say wimpy, you know, because I just didn't have it.

[00:24:55] It really is a matter of trust, you know that I can lift the weight that I've been [00:25:00] well trained and there's you know, it's a workout at a CrossFit gym. And so there's no and I also work out at Planet Fitness once a week too. So I know you know what I call it you gave me that term and you know, I say that the gym and everybody laughs so, you know, I guess I got the picture so.

[00:25:22] Let's see. How would I say it you and you're preparing for the lift. I try to you know, my mind just goes a thousand miles an hour. So Matt will give me like one Q because that's if you get too many cues like a golf swing. You can't think of everything right at one. Right? Okay, you know eyes on the ball and finish your backswing another about, you know, you just you won't even get the bar off the floor you'll be so so Twisted.

[00:25:49] So a lot of times I just and I. Same thing like I can do this or this way, doesn't it? I just, you know, like punch or be aggressive or [00:26:00] or speed through the middle, you know something to get me. Like this is serious, but I won't make the list unless I'm aggressive right you you have to be aggressive, right?

[00:26:11] And I don't consider myself. In fact, you know when you say aggressive for woman, I think of you know, like whoa, you know Dragon lady's like I don't want to be aggressive or aggressive on the road, but you do have to be aggressive with the bar. So. Big challenge for me is to you know, step up to the bar and and yeah show my strength show my aggression and you know, give it give it my all every time so so aggression as we spoke a moment ago.

[00:26:37] There's a component of trust in your own ability to be aggressive right because you you could be aggressive and break an arm. Yeah, or you can be aggressive and do something that you know, you can do and you just need a great comedian to me aggression is. Confidence. Yes complete confidence compressed into a small period of time.

[00:26:58] Yes, that's what aggression is to me. [00:27:00] Right and I'd also say courage. Okay. Yes. Okay, you got to be courageous and and go for it. And you know, it's well now 62, you know, I'm very aware that an injury can stop all this so, you know, I don't do anything stupid but like I say you get a good coach you trust your coach and.

[00:27:22] You just. Show up and do it right and you know if I stayed at home and thought about all the things the ways I could get hurt and you know, I could never leave your house. Yeah, so refrozen right exact be Frozen and starting so I mean just to 5 kilo bar PVC pipe you just and you have well I noticed I noticed something else that you do that.

[00:27:47] So the first time I was the first time I was ever exposed to. Taking a complex movement and breaking breaking it up into its component parts learning each of the component parts and [00:28:00] then and then starting to do them. All together was in figure skating when my when my oldest daughter was was was learning.

[00:28:08] One of the jump she was learning to do a I can't remember it isn't that funny. But anyway, so we work with a coach who was a professional Olympic coach and he showed her, you know, this is the launch. This is the spin. This is the landing and so you have to practice each of these separately and you have to accomplish each and I noticed you do that to don't you you you break your lifts up.

[00:28:31] Like I saw you. You had a bar set at about shoulder height and then you are getting under it and just finishing the the press part of it, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah, so talk about that. How do you how do you so you break these things up into their component parts? Yeah, my coach does, you know at the end when first started, you know, just you know, your start position your grip, you know, how you hold the bar all the drills, you know from that from the Hang position the power position above the knee below the knee [00:29:00] and he just, you know, just.

[00:29:02] Well and drill and drill and then lifting off the blocks or just you know, not going into a full squat, but it's like a power clean or power snatch and just keep Drilling and then you know magically. Comes together sort of but I think you could train these lists for 50 years and still learn something at one training session that you didn't know before they're, you know, very complicated, but that's I mean, that's what makes us makes it fun.

[00:29:32] Yes, they were simple and I know not to the great power lifting or anything, but it's like I look at that and think Jesus Christ your lips, but look so simple the bars going so slow and my lifting buddy kills history sometimes like well, you know Lynn when we get too old for this there's always powerlifting.

[00:29:48] Yeah. Oh my God, that's its. That's a low blow Freddie. Yeah. Sorry Carol, but yeah, it's because I know there's got to be, you know a technique with that too. [00:30:00] But when you. Bar going fast. That's when it gets. Yeah, and you know, I've hit my chin on the way up and hit my nose on the way down. So, you know, it does happen for sure.

[00:30:12] Okay. So getting back to the fact that now you are 62, right? You decided to start to compete so you took this to a different level. Now, you said okay. I'm going to I really love doing this. I'm hitting these PRS my coach is telling me this is really good work you're doing how do you decide to throw your hat in the ring and get up there and actually perform in front of an audience of people who are judging.

[00:30:40] Right. That was that was probably other than just having a bar over my head. That was the biggest challenge may be year and a half into this. Matt asked me says he never thought about competing and. You know, I hadn't really and I said, well, you know that I'm you know, I've lived my life there.

[00:30:58] Don't try anything once [00:31:00] you know got it got to give it a go. So I said sure I'll give it a try. So I said whenever you say I'm ready, oh, you know go for it. So there was a meat this is last December in the East Valley Crossfit up in Phoenix. And then you said I was ready. And Carol was also competing.

[00:31:17] So the two of us went up and Matt was there with us and that's a you know, a small local competition. But oh man, I tell you when I step out, you know and wearing a singlet, you know, that's another thing when you lay on your roof naked and Sunday what's wrong with this thing the beach in a bikini, but I don't know there was something and Carol have the.

[00:31:40] Small size Singlish is a human. I think I got a single it'll fit you. You know, I don't know how she came upon it but it was brand new and I'll never forget I picked it up at the gym and put it on and I looked in the mirror and you know that like a high school wrestler or something like oh my God, you know, I told the waiter I got to get a cake.

[00:31:57] Get some red satin, you know and make it big Cape [00:32:00] because you know, I'm a superhuman when I put that single it on. Right? Right, right. So anyways got the single it and put it on and man stepping around that. Corner out onto the platform and I don't know maybe there's 50 a hundred people there. My heart was beating like, oh my God, it was just I mean it was so exciting.

[00:32:21] I would say more exciting and scary and Matt set my weights, really. You know at a level that he was sure that I could lift, you know, there was no real challenge unless I just did something stupid and you know lost my focus completely but standing on that platform and I went 6 for 6, so I got all six of my lifts and Matt forming was a sinner judge and I just looked at him and smiled.

[00:32:45] And and the best thing that was when I first walked out people who didn't even know me, you know, come on Lynn. All right, you know and I heard my name called like three times. I thought man this. Lifters of the best that you know, it's so supportive and it was so much [00:33:00] fun. So anyways, I just like completely loved competing and I've never been well I competed the last time I competed I was 12 years old riding a horse English equitation.

[00:33:11] So been like a 50-year span that I competed in anything athletic and I loved it and I Matt made sure I qualified for National Masters. With my total so Carol and I both did National Masters in Salt Lake City. And this is the end of March and so that was really fun. That's what those photos came from.

[00:33:31] And yeah, I just I love it. I it's so so, when is your next competition the next one plan to do it's called the American Masters and it's in Seattle, Washington like middle of November. And and your training partner you keep referring to cow or a little bit. She's fantastic has become a dear friend.

[00:33:58] So she she started lifting about the [00:34:00] same time. I did at age 60. She's now 71 and is a. Just a beautiful lifter has set numerous records American records, and I'm very excited for her because she got invited to go to World Masters, which is next month in August in Montreal Canada. So she'll be representing the US and the 70 plus female age group of which the numbers are small, but she's.

[00:34:29] Yeah, she's the real inspiration. She was become a mentor for me as well. She's taught me a lot about you know, like before the meat in Phoenix. We sat down at Starbucks and you know talked about the way in and what I wear and how it works and. Just you know explaining to me because she's competed for 10 years now and it's just you know, she just she went to the Pan Am games here in Orlando a couple months ago and set more records.

[00:34:56] So she's she's totally awesome. [00:35:00] So let's talk a little about lifestyle for a second obviously at this age and this is something that I you know, I kind of feel really strongly about like I've got some challenges. I'm trying to overcome the accumulation. I call it a low static load of living life, you know an injury here at a sign of Aging there and you're trying to manage all these things day in and day out.

[00:35:27] You know, I've had I lived with the bad foot from an accident. Then I had surgery and spent a year actually had two surgeries and spent six months of the year in a booth and you know, and I'm starting from scratch now trying to just get back to where I was and I have to make a decision like if I really really really want to get back to where I was I can do it.

[00:35:50] It'll take me the better part of 20. Maybe the whole year of 2020 I think by the end of this year. I'll be ready to make that decision because I'm starting to get stronger again [00:36:00] now, but it's going to require a level of dedication because at this age.  You have to do everything right? You know, if people think oh, I could never squat 700 pounds at 65 years old you absolutely could yeah if you started at 61 and made that your sole objective.

[00:36:23] And you did everything right? You know when you're in your 20s and 30s, you could go out drinking on the weekends and you can get in the gym on Monday and you could crush it. But when you start getting to be 60, you go out drinking on the weekends. It takes you two or three days just to get the alcohol out of your system and you're not going to function.

[00:36:38] Well, so you really have to. Make a decision say okay. I'm going to eat every meal the way I'm supposed to I'm going to be in bed when I'm supposed to I'm going to do my cardio first thing in the morning and you really have to do everything right, but you can do it. Do you agree with that statement?

[00:36:56] Yeah, I agree a hundred percent and you always took very [00:37:00] good care of myself. But now with the. Olympic lifting I'm even more careful with you know what I eat and especially sleep and I know you're big on sleep to that. I prioritize my sleep, you know, almost as much as my food and I make sure that I'm you know in bed by like nine o'clock every night and sleep as long as I possibly can because everything has to come together, you know, otherwise.

[00:37:24] You know, you're not going to make your goals or you're going to get injured. So you have to you have to watch things and it's not a burden. I mean you just hell I feel I don't know better than I did when I was 30, I would say, you know, even though I've always felt good that the strength of my body and just and always being you know, almost always being well-rested have those occasional bad nights of sleep, but it's just, you know, everything in life has gotten better.

[00:37:48] It's not like. Oh darn, I got to go to sleep earlier eat, right because I want Olympic lifts, you know, it's like well, you know life feels good and wake up and I can power through the day and do my gardening and cook and [00:38:00] do all the things I want to do and I just you know, it supports me in my entire life.

[00:38:05] It's so it's not a it's not a burnout not at all and it's like a commitment to myself, you know, I don't and I don't have kids and I you know, I am very aware that I'm gonna have to take care of myself, you know? Yes. Yes. You know what? Me too. I have children, but I still know I'm going to have to take care of myself and I hope and I hope that you know the other I like I'm inspired to stay healthy for a lot of reasons most of them selfish as you point out.

[00:38:32] Like I want to be able to like when I die. I always jokingly say when I die. I want to die running for the bus. You know, like when I'm to Carl Carl died, what was he all he was running. He was running to catch the bus like I want to be in full swing of life. I want to be doing something. I don't want to be sitting in a chair.

[00:38:51] Yeah, you know waiting for somebody to change the channel on the TV for me and so they're very selfish reasons that I want to stay strong and [00:39:00] healthy, but you know, What's wrong with that right? Nothing wrong with it my dad and still with me a big dose of personal responsibility for myself and my life and you know, the government's not going to take care of me and nobody else has and you know, that's you know, this is it kid.

[00:39:16] This is this is your life and go forth and make the best of it and you know, you are responsible and it's that's that's always stayed with me to that. I mean, I guess you know you have kids but still. My kid yourself and my kids are not going to take care of me. Somebody. You're not a one kind.

[00:39:36] Maybe my son. No. No, I say this. I say this jokingly, like maybe my son Chase would but the reality is that I don't want them to have to do that. But yeah, you know, wait, why would you want to burden now, especially if they're going through the life and have their own families and things to do that all got to take care of Dad or Mom or yeah.

[00:39:52] I don't want anybody wiping my butt Lynn. I'm sorry, but that's one thing I want to do for the rest of my life by myself. [00:40:00] It's like I want to be like you like net will not running for the best, but I want to be like train lift train left. Whoops There She Goes, you know, you know on the platform or something, you know, that's a noble way to go.

[00:40:11] Right? Yeah. I mean it really is now. I know your husband Bob does not lift, but he must be a big supporter. He's got to be really proud of what yeah. Yes. Yeah. He loves it. He doesn't see much about he's kind of a quiet Midwestern guy, but I know he he likes it very much what I'm doing and he's.

[00:40:29] Retired Air Force Colonel and always been very dedicated to his own Fitness and calisthenics and he was a long-distance Runner marathoner and for the University of Illinois track team. Wow. Yeah, so weird, well University of Illinois and champ and yeah Champaign-Urbana. Oh my God, so that's you know, that's that's a lease his old stomping ground.

[00:40:48] That's where the missing Lisa was born there. Morning champagne yo. Well and all of her relatives are still up there. She's got a couple cousins that are that have University professors up there and [00:41:00] they all live. Oh and I'm going to forget the name of the little town that they're all from that's a that's a suburb of that but they all they all still live up there.

[00:41:09] Now. It's all corn land everything everybody wrote corn and corn and beans and corn and beans which of course is something I completely avoid, you know my diet. I wouldn't touch that crap with a 10-foot Pole. But he's proud of you obviously and you need that support to in order to do that. I don't.

[00:41:26] Yes, and my mother to of course, my mother's very proud of me and supportive and you know, the the the whole gym, you know, Carol and I are certainly probably the two oldest. I don't know people there and the kids, you know, most everybody's 20s and 30s and they're they're extremely supportive of it's a very nice Community.

[00:41:47] It's a great gym. I'll put a shout out to CrossFit 646 and Tucson, Arizona Matt and Melissa York own it and they've created a wonderful place. Made a train and there's so much support there. Also. It's [00:42:00] yeah, it's you know, what all helps it's fantastic to Tucson is beautiful. I've been up there.

[00:42:07] You tied my my god daughter and niece still lives in Phoenix. My parents lived in Tempe for up until when they die. They moved out of Queens, you know, 30 years ago and they moved to Arizona but her in-laws live up in Tucson. So I used to go up there once in a while. It's really beautiful up there.

[00:42:26] Yeah, it's a nice place and you know, lots of hiking trails and yet. Yeah, I love the desert hot now but it's beautiful. Yeah, I dropped but it's dry heat other people say that it is dry heat. Yeah, okay. It's still a hundred six degrees out. That's right. You can stir fry an egg on the hood of your car exactly.

[00:42:44] I want to take all last commercial break when we come back. I'll talk about your diet has it changed over the years and how have you modified it since you've been training State? All right back, welcome back. We're talking to a fellow superhuman when right. [00:43:00] What's your diet? Like Lynn? Well, I would.

[00:43:04] Categorize it like paleo Primal. I do eat dairy and I'm a raw milk fan as I know. You are Carl's like I don't drink it right from The Jug is my husband likes to do but I fermented I make kefir nickfear smoothies and make my own yogurt. I eat a lot of meat fish eggs a lot of vegetables not starchy run so I would eat I would say like low-carb High.

[00:43:34] At right but not so much high fat and I appreciate what you said about the ketogenic diet starting this podcast that I tried that for a while and gain some weight and I felt okay, but I just it wasn't I felt kind of stressed. I don't, you know know how else to say it, but I realized that I need to support my weight lifting and what my coach said to me.

[00:43:58] Two months ago. He says, you know land you'd [00:44:00] be a better listener if you ate more protein because I was eating maybe 70 80 grams a day and I read forty eight kilos. So I you know hundred and what five six pounds so let me just bump it just bumping it up 30 or 40 grams a day to make a big difference exactly.

[00:44:17] So I got myself some sort of protein. That's how do you like it? I like it. How do you like it? I love it. Yeah, very nice. I put it in my Cafe, Smoothie and. Yes, it's wonderful. It's great. I just bought another three pound jug. So yeah, that's a good deal that I'm gonna I'm gonna let that run out of just keep running that deal for a yeah.

[00:44:37] So now I'm focusing, you know on getting more protein in my diet, but I you know, I made my living as a crook I fell in love with French cuisine and like high school. And so I cooked in restaurants and hotels and I had a great gig on a yacht for quite some time. And so I've always cook my own. And I'm a big believer that you really you could really can't [00:45:00] stay healthy for the long run eating in restaurants.

[00:45:04] You know, they use low quality oils course, well now things maybe you're getting better. But, you know to get grass-fed grass-finished all wild caught fish, you know, you just do it at home. So we. You know, like I cook every night we very simply but it's always protein with some vegetables and just you know know and I've never been a fast food eater.

[00:45:26] So I just you know in soda. I just I look at that stuff and I just you know over Michael Pollan said food-like substances the really to me not it's not even food. I can't I don't I don't know how people survive eating the diets that they eat. So and you know, it's and it's not like I'm suffering not eating pizza and drinking beer, you know, I know.

[00:45:46] No, I don't have any plans tonight with like fresh asparagus and yeah good raw butter. It's like if this is you know, this is not suffering in my book. No, no, you know, you know, it's funny. I so one of my things to do when I [00:46:00] when I have to bring food to the studio, I'll go through Kroger's I'll get two of those pouches of salmon the large loss and right and then I'll get to those small little pre-washed organic.

[00:46:17] Spring mix yeah salads. It didn't like they're like, they're really probably like two or three servings for most people. That's why but I'll take that and I'll just drop the salmon in that. Yeah, and I'll eat it like that. So today I thought to myself maybe I'll splurge and I'll get some. Some dressing to put on it, you know watch out.

[00:46:38] I couldn't I couldn't buy any so the for dressings that said olive oil on them. The first oil was soybean oil and how did they get away with that? Yeah. I know at the end not only that a lot of the olive oil that you see in the store needle the big name brands. They can be cut legally with up to 35% of canola or safflower or another oil and still be labeled [00:47:00] olive oil with no identification on the label, but this is not pure olive oil.

[00:47:05] I could not buy a single bottle of salad dressing not just because they all have soybean or canola oil but they all have multiple types of gums in the yeah, they all have so much sugar added and I told the hell with it. I'm just going to eat it the way I have been eating it. Oh, yeah, and you know, that's something I don't get it.

[00:47:24] You know, I don't know if people are getting lazier, but it's so easy to make your own salad dressing. I mean chop some garlic sauce or mustard get a good quality olive oil get some balsamic vinegar salt pepper. And you got yourself a dress. Hi handsome. I take it if I take the little bullet that people make more sense and I put in I put an olive oil.

[00:47:42] I put in balsamic vinegar. I put salt and pepper garlic powder. I put in some strawberries. Oh, yeah a or I'll put a open the Mandarin oranges can up and I'll let the man do not and then I just blasted a couple times and if you keep it in the fridge it last forever because I don't need [00:48:00] the preservatives in it.

[00:48:01] Right right. You don't need it anymore amazed when they come over the house and I literally make salad dressing while they're standing there and they go did you just make the sound area just couple minutes. I do the same thing with guacamole. I made guacamole. It takes 6 seconds to make guacamole.

[00:48:14] Like this is the best guacamole. I see I just made. Yeah, I know. I know it's the people have lost their basic skill will have have somebody born a chicken. I mean nobody even knows how to cut up a chicken anymore. Yeah, and you know starting in French cuisine, you know, I learned how to make mayonnaise back when I was a teenager.

[00:48:31] I've always made my own mayonnaise now that I would like to make I'd like to learn to make my own mayonnaise. Oh Carl teach you how to make mayonnaise it is so good and I put MCT oil in. To so you know, yeah, if you could teach me how to make mayonnaise I would be forever indebted to the other thing the other thing anybody who's listening the other thing I want to learn how to make all my own is flan because I want to get a lot of the sugar out of it.

[00:48:51] I love flan I could eat on everything. I love custard. It's about me too. Yeah, like creme brulee and stuff. Yeah. I know. What do you can mess around with like [00:49:00] I just made us some ice cream with that good raw milk and wrong cream and pastured eggs and instead of sugar. Because that's one thing I avoid sugar and Grains at all cost.

[00:49:10] I use any Lin and erythritol. I know a lot of people have problem with the sugar alcohols, but we seem to tolerate it fine. And and so there's a conversion rate. So and not only that I use like half the sugar that the recipe had and make make our own ice cream and it's you know, it's real fatty and it's, you know got all that good raw dairy in it.

[00:49:28] It's just it's why I have been thinking about making ice cream from sweetened condensed milk, and I know it's. A lot of sugar in it, but there's this Cuban restaurant I go to and they make this ice cream called tres leche sauce and it's kind of yeah. Hmm, and I asked him one day. I says, you know what and he said well we use sweetened condensed milk.

[00:49:47] Oh, no wonder why it tastes like this. It's basically a sugar bomb. That's what it is. You can just open the can of that and get a spoon out hair on, you know? Yeah, that's really right. So, yeah, I know, you know, it's really a treat for us. [00:50:00] But because I know led to sugar alcohols aren't the best thing in the world.

[00:50:03] But yeah, you got to pick your poison these yeah. Exactly and you know, it's really a treat and you know now I get and it's funny Once you stop eating sugars. Not that I read a lot of them but you know, you eat it like a now that berries are in season and melons that they like they taste so sweet like who needs sugar and other so good.

[00:50:20] Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Well, we always have berries in the house at least make sure we always have berries in the house for dessert. Yeah end of the day so Linda, what would you say to women out there who are listening to this and thinking yeah. I don't know this Olympic lifting thing. You know, what?

[00:50:36] Would you say to them to try to inspire them to give it a try? Well first, you know Olympic lifting is one thing but just to get some kind of a physical fitness program and get going but I'd say two things. The first thing is find a buddy, you know, like, you know every Monday Wednesday Friday carols at the gym smiling waiting for me encouraging to have a buddy to train with [00:51:00] is just.

[00:51:02] It makes it that much more fun. Right and then the other thing is to find a coach or if you can, you know afford to trainer even just to set you up with the program with where you are to somebody who can evaluate you. You know, what your maybe some, you know issues you have or Mobility or flexibility and give you a program to follow.

[00:51:28] Because you know I lifted the gyms forever. And I you know, I got a little bit stronger but working with Matt the last two and half years ago. We had a goal to do eight dead hang pull ups because my husband told me once. That I could join the Marine infantry if I can do 8 and pull up. This is a go for so long and I tried I got up to five and maybe six and then, you know training with Matt and sometimes I feel like oh I could do more than this or this is so heavy and but sure enough last year.

[00:51:59] I got my [00:52:00] eight, you know, it's because I'm working with somebody. The nose the physical body and how to train and there you go and I may never have done it by my self because I tried for years to get to 8 and I don't know maybe I can do more. I haven't tried them in a while. So I would say, you know, if you can't find a partner and then find a facility and I would say to go to a CrossFit gym and even if you don't go to the classes themselves because I tried to do I'd started in Cross at the same time side Olympic lifting and realized pretty quickly that I can't recover from both of these.

[00:52:30] You know, I try to be the one of the. And the Olympic lifting was just you know, I was like so excited about it. So I didn't do CrossFit but I would say just find a good gym. Not a big box gym, but go to a gym look at the trainer's look at their physiques, right? How do they look? You know, you look at Melissa like okay.

[00:52:48] I want what they have. Right, right. Yeah. Look at their bodies, like woke a these people know what they're doing. And this is where I'm going to go. So if you know and and then you know because you can push weights [00:53:00] around and just not see, you know, and be bored. You can't Grant or you know, haven't forget, you know, you sweat or something and you just don't.

[00:53:08] You don't feel satisfied, you know, you're not really developing yourself and and feeling like you're progressing. So if you have a trainer who can set you up with the program and start going and you know, maybe you can see once a week or maybe even just once a month and to get you set up. To whatever you want to do just increase your strength increase your balance, you know, the benefits are just so huge but you know an Olympic lifting.

[00:53:35] I mean if you want to do that, that's just it's just the best thing in the world, you know, I probably I probably need to start doing it in order to make the progress back in the direction. I want to. Yeah, I need to do some Dynamic movements whether he'll probably start out with some kettlebell stuff this weekend.

[00:53:51] I think I'm gonna I'm gonna do kettlebell stuff this weekend instead of going into the gym. And then because that that Dynamic explosive stuff is [00:54:00] where the real magic is for sure. It's so much different than like I said just pushing the weights up and down, you know, if I had a penny for every hour I've watched those weights on the machine go up and down.

[00:54:11] Yeah, you know what I always thought about doing. Opening a gym and hooking up dynamos to every single piece of equipment and powering the gym from the gym members efforts you and I think the word because it doesn't the CrossFit classes are going and Carolyn eye on the platform that that if he could only hook everybody up to something, you know, we could air-conditioned the place we know without using any electric power from Europe.

[00:54:37] Yes, it has to be done. And by the way, Carol needs to know that how much you value her. As well because we were going to do this interview one day a couple three weeks ago and you were like, you know, I Carol's going to be waiting for me at the gym. I can't do it at that time. I got to be at the gym.

[00:54:53] Yeah, so, you know, that's that's a real and that's the kind of. That's the kind of training [00:55:00] partner people need they need people that are there for them not for this. You know, it's like a relationship if I'm taking care of you and you're taking care of me. We're going to live a long happy life.

[00:55:11] If I'm taking care of me and you're taking care of me. It's not going to last that long. Right? And that's the way a gym gym gym partnership should be too. Yeah, they have be there for you. You should be there for ya. And we're both excited, you know when she's listening well and you know and the same when I'm lifting well.

[00:55:27] No, the add a girls and yeah, it's just it's it's wonderful. I can't imagine doing this without her being there. And like I said, she's always smiling are encouraging me and and you know, she did it. She was 60 and she's been lifting now competing for ten years is like, you know you I got to be honest with you.

[00:55:44] I didn't know she was in her 70s when you talk she looks amazing. She's fantastic and she's got beautiful technique. I mean, she's really out. So it's so beautiful that she makes the wait look really light. Yeah. That's Carol. Yeah, send you some [00:56:00] photos of her from this some of the competition's and yeah.

[00:56:03] Yeah, I tell you it's the most and also for women to know that's you know, he got that barbell over your head. It's like, you know, it wasn't like in Titanic and king of the world, you know, sometimes I want to shout. I'm Queen of the world. There's there's like and I know you'll understand this Carl I've listened to you for a long time when you have a heavy weight overhead, you know, you can't kind of describe it to people who don't.

[00:56:26] Who have done it and don't know it but that feeling of making a lift and setting and I said to PR's and end of May that were so satisfying to me and you get that weight over your head. It's like. Yep, I did it. You know you've really accomplished something. Yeah real accomplishment. Yeah, 1 gallon.

[00:56:43] We'll listen. I want to thank you so much for making thank you for all and I want to thank you for all the years of of quiet in the background support. You've given the show by sending me links to articles and hey, you should have this person on the show and lots of them turned into interviews and I really I really appreciate [00:57:00] that because there's been times where you know, Booking guests II put out more content podcast content than any other podcasts.

[00:57:09] And and also we're working on a press release because November 3rd week of November of this year. This podcast is 14 years old, right, which makes me the longest running. Oldest Health Fitness and anti-aging podcast in the world in the world. And so we're going to start tuning that horn very shortly.

[00:57:29] Well, you know, it's a lot of work and I used to have a Lisa. I used to have a Lisa. He's the book s but then she had to go off and do something else and I was you know, I'm and I have to do it myself and then I have friends like you who say hey get this person on the show and literally that night.

[00:57:45] I'll reach out to his. Hey, could you come on tomorrow? Because I had a guest fall out. So I always appreciate when you send me information. Keep paddling. Keep it I will keep it coming because I listened to quite a few podcasts and I hear interesting things and and I want to thank you Carl. You've taught me so much [00:58:00] over the years and just you know, I feel like I'm encouraged from you as well.

[00:58:04] And so I really want to thank you so much for all you've done. Thank you for yeah, okay, and we'll talk soon again. Okay. All right contacts: okay. Bye. Wow. You know, I am so privileged to sit here and have people like that in the audience. It really is amazing to me. And we do have a good show tomorrow to we have the pep talk with dr.

[00:58:28] Betsy Earth and she's going to be coming on and talking about PT 141 in the in the shadow of the fda's approval of vile EC which is just a modified form of PT 141. It is going to give women who are going through menopause or for whatever reason have lost their desire their Lush there. There's their libido.

[00:58:51] It's going to give it back to them. It's going to free them of the chains that bind them and so tomorrow shows every really impactful. I hope [00:59:00] a lot of people pass it around because there's a lot of lives that can be changed with this peptide PT 141. It works for men to it works for women. Add 25% of the dose and it works for women better last longer.

[00:59:14] It seems to be profoundly more active in women than in men, but it does work for men. So you guys out there who want to rev it up for the weekend in Mexico. We got to wait for you to do that, too. So don't miss tomorrow's pep talk and we'll see everybody tomorrow. Thanks for listening [01:00:00] today.