[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] you know people don't expect me to do bodybuilding topics. I found that out recently when we talked about our people ignoring their blood pressure and I'll be having debts in the bodybuilding Community because of

[00:00:13] John Romano: [00:00:13] for that

[00:00:13] Carl Lanore: [00:00:13] reason and we talked about how easy it is to get on a blood pressure medication that won't impair your performance.

[00:00:21] It'll just lower your blood pressure and you know, I'm not. A goody two-shoes. I did a lot of juice in my day and probably unnecessarily and I my blood pressure went through the roof and I ignored it but I don't do it now. I'm 61 years old. I want to live longer. So I was talking to Aaron cinnamon when I was in Boca this last time and he heard the show he thought it was great that I did that and then he pointed something out to me that that completely.

[00:00:52] I missed completely and he said, you know a lot of the guys that we've lost recently. [00:01:00] Not only used siteadmin enhancement oil, but they they were open openly proposing the benefits of side enhancement oil. Most recently Matt Porter and it was no secret. It was no secret wasn't like his though. We can't talk about it because they talked about it.

[00:01:21] Openly even when Matt was. Training he was still using oils in his biceps and stuff like that and. I started to think and I started to look back at guys like Matt Duval and Rich Piana and a guy that we all knew and loved @rx muscle Derek Anthony and I started to go. Oh my God, he's right. All these guys will using side enhancement oil in who do you go to to talk about this topic and the perfect guy has not only written about it, but he's a friend of the show and that's John Romano.

[00:01:55] Hey, and I called him a bodybuilding historian and he left but John when you and I when guys like us [00:02:00] get this old we become historians,

[00:02:02] John Romano: [00:02:02] I guess by default. Yeah,

[00:02:05] Carl Lanore: [00:02:05] yeah, because we were there we were there during the Civil War. You know what I mean? And

[00:02:09] John Romano: [00:02:09] we survived right?

[00:02:11] Carl Lanore: [00:02:11] So so you've written about this extensively but you've written it predominantly what I've reviewed that you've written a teenage son and.

[00:02:19] Locations that you post some of your articles is you've written about it from the standpoint of it's just silly what some of these guys are doing, like some of these guys they're not even training. They're just blowing their biceps in their traps up and they look stupid. But what about the health implications?

[00:02:37] John Romano: [00:02:37] Well, I mean, there's Health implications just from from the site injections themselves necrosis is nerve damage. There's you know infections staph infection can kill you in a matter of days if not hours. So, I mean there's that this this this topic, you know, when we first when you first brought it up to me a few days ago.

[00:02:56] I saw I was thinking about it and I went back and read some some [00:03:00] articles that I wrote and colleagues have wrote have written and you know, this is this is such a difficult topic to unravel because you're talking about a population of people. Who are doing so many different things at the same time and and and you have no idea what's causing effect as you can't pull out isolate one thing and you know say okay this is this is the common denominator in this cook in this population.

[00:03:28] And this is what's happening to them versus a control group. So you have you have a very difficult time pinpointing cause and effect the other problem that we have is that what are they injecting their all not injecting the same stuff? You know off the are you mentioned sesame oil? That's not that that could be the case.

[00:03:48] But in actuality the original Synthol was called pumping pose, right which made by a German bodybuilder. Like he's going to kill me because I can't think of his name off the bat, but I know I mean we've had them on the [00:04:00] show and then the oil he used was MCT oil. Hmm. So and 85% MCT oil and a CO few percent of benzyl alcohol and a few percent.

[00:04:10] Smaller preservative. Yeah

[00:04:11] Carl Lanore: [00:04:11] did but then then then then then the also or was it a ladder. Was it the latter company that came out and added an anesthetic, you know? Yeah and analgesic to it.

[00:04:23] John Romano: [00:04:23] Right? Akane, like that's that's the other that's the other components lidocaine, right? So it was benzyl alcohol lidocaine and MCT oil.

[00:04:32] That was the original the original pump imposing people called Simple so. That had been used. I mean Flex wheeler used it in 98. So openly used it in 98. So it's been around a long time subsequently, you know different kinds of fluids have been have been experimented with and tried right down to actually and you know, so liquid silicone.

[00:04:58] So, you [00:05:00] know, the other thing that people don't realize is other than the free clowns that we you know, kind of. And have highlighted over time. It's just a tremendous population of women who are jamming this stuff into their asses really absolutely but enhancement is a gigantic industry right now, especially in in the black communities and in Central and South America you have.

[00:05:28] Hundreds of times more women boosting up their booties, then you have men, you know, you know, yeah, but up there concept right right Thomas More and now if you look at you know, there's Wellness division that they have for this predominantly, you know gluten leg development with really no upper body development for women, you know, you can see that this they're injecting something and their quads and they're in their butts.

[00:05:52] I mean, there's this goes all the way back to the. You know Brazilian butt lift where they harvest fat Le via liposuction from like the lower [00:06:00] back and then they, you know, spin it down and strain it and shoot it into their glute muscles to try to marbleize that you know, Fat so that it actually is you're just moving your own fat to a different area which Rhymes as much problems versus a foreign substance, but you go from there you go from there to pump and pose to to you know silicon,

[00:06:23] Carl Lanore: [00:06:23] but

[00:06:23] John Romano: [00:06:23] we

[00:06:23] Carl Lanore: [00:06:23] don't always win was what was s Killeen wasn't as clean designed to actually cause inflammation that made the muscle.

[00:06:31] John Romano: [00:06:31] Sickling. Yes, it was but that was but that was a that was using a sickling was you're sickling is actually a steroid which is the high irritant factor and you would literally with an insulin needle shoot that into I mean, I mean, I've done various competitors body parts before you're talking about, you know tens if not a hundred different injections.

[00:06:54] You know all over a little little area and you do it because the morning of the show, it's a little bee stings right [00:07:00] all over the place, but that leads to a very you know, that look isn't good. It just Smooths you out because it's the your drawing water into the area to combat the irritants. So it's sort of an analgesic effect and you're not really I mean, you're made me you may look that make that part may look bigger, but it's not going to look very strided, you know, or defined or rainy or whatever you're looking for.

[00:07:23] The this the simple in the muscle is a far, you know the kind of took over from where it's sick when left off and that, you know done correctly is very hard to discern and mean, you know guys who have used it who have admitted to me that they've used it. You never would have known they don't look anything like those freakazoids from Central America.

[00:07:45] They did they inject it deep into the muscle in between the muscle. They do it, you know and worked

[00:07:50] Carl Lanore: [00:07:50] I would imagine I would imagine that one of the techniques that dermatologist use when they're using fillers on people's faces [00:08:00] is they use a long needle they put it in horizontally and as they let it out they pull the needle out so it leaves like like if you were if you were using a.

[00:08:12] Spackle, you know, you just leave a trace along trace of it. So that would look natural in a muscle belly. If you did that as opposed to one lump right here,

[00:08:21] John Romano: [00:08:21] right, correct. I mean there's there's there's actual you know, anatomical implants that people have put in their calves and their pecs and their biceps.

[00:08:29] So I mean, there's I mean, there's all kinds of ways to fool, you know, the mother nature but predominantly the most used is obviously the site enhancement oil. And that's that's a huge gamut of of variations right there what they're shooting how they're shooting in. You know, how often for how long for how long

[00:08:51] Carl Lanore: [00:08:51] so so so take a take a pro bodybuilder.

[00:08:54] This person has huge muscular development already. So if they wanted to [00:09:00] enhance, let's say a medial deltoid how many cc's of oil would end up in that one muscle they're going to do it to both one on either side. We talked about 20 cc's.

[00:09:10] John Romano: [00:09:10] Well here well, here's the misconception your it's not the oil what you're what you're trying to establish his scar tissue.

[00:09:18] So so what happens is you put the oil into the area and then the as it sits there irritated it remnants of irritates. It metabolizes very slowly. It's true. It's drawn into the bloodstream it very slowly unless you accidentally hit a blood vessel or you're in a nest of blood vessels. And what happens is you get a you get a fibrous, you know, you know that space gets taken up by a fibroids basically.

[00:09:48] So if you were to slice Greg Valentino's arms and half, right, you know at right now oil is not going to come out just loaded with scar tissue

[00:09:56] Carl Lanore: [00:09:56] see and that's what worries me. And so this is this has been my. [00:10:00] Precipitation so I think to myself if now let's not talk about Pro bodybuilders because what they're doing is systematic, it has a certain level of finesse to it.

[00:10:12] They're not but now let's look at the idiots out there. That is putting you know, 30 cc's of oil 15 in each bicep. That oil is going to be absorbed by the local vasculature. It's going to be picked up. It's going to be brought into the bloodstream. Number one, depending on what that oil is. I mean if that's a soybean oil that's highly inflammatory if that's even even the.

[00:10:36] Coveted sesame seed oil is highly inflammatory. Hi Omega sixes in it, MC 20. Probably not so much but still the this amount of oil this amount of oil finding its way into the blood stream has to be deleterious to let's just say right right from the get-go kidneys and liver [00:11:00] boom because the kidneys and liver have to deal with that's like, oh my God, we have sludge in the blood.

[00:11:04] What are we going to do about it? Is it that in and of itself problematic?

[00:11:10] John Romano: [00:11:10] Well, you know, it's it could be. Yeah, but I mean the majority of that oil is metabolized it gets into the bloodstream and it starts, you know, getting metabolized.

[00:11:20] Carl Lanore: [00:11:20] So

[00:11:20] John Romano: [00:11:20] what

[00:11:20] Carl Lanore: [00:11:20] do you say metabolize burned off as energy or stored as fat or

[00:11:24] John Romano: [00:11:24] both?

[00:11:25] Both both we know are converted to other fatty acids broken down and converted into other fatty acids. And that's where you could potentially have the. Those oils are broken down you have areas within your bloodstream that create like we're a vein or an artery makes a mix a turn you create a little an area where you have sort of like like like they what do they call it in drafting you have like a ready writer right or whatever and sold the the plaque platelets would tend to

[00:11:54] Carl Lanore: [00:11:54] accumulate there.

[00:11:55] Right? Right.

[00:11:56] John Romano: [00:11:56] So, you know, and then they stack up and then eventually, you know, cause a [00:12:00] blockage if that happens. In a in a coronary artery, for example artery that goes from the hearts of the lung then you're creating a serious issue there

[00:12:12] Carl Lanore: [00:12:12] now, there are there is but there is some there is some evidence that these oils can in and what you're talking about here is changing blood viscosity thus changing hemodynamics, but also there is some evidence that these oils can change the the.

[00:12:30] Thrombotic index of blood the ability of blood to coagulate and clot.

[00:12:36] John Romano: [00:12:36] Well, yeah, I mean if you get into a blood vessel and that oil goes directly into the bloodstream then yes, if the if the if the oil stays in the in the muscle in the area and is gradually absorbed through the cell membranes, then it's just going to be metabolized.

[00:12:52] So then you have you have the metabolic aspect of you know, too much of oil floating around in your bloodstream versus the actual [00:13:00] sludge is you called it floating around in the bloodstream. So it's two different things. Obviously one is potentially far more dangerous than the other you can get a glove that it goes to your brain.

[00:13:12] And you know, you're going to have a stroker and you know,

[00:13:14] Carl Lanore: [00:13:14] yeah, and that was one of the things that was pointed out. I was reading the Wikipedia. They have a Wikipedia page on site enhancement oil now, I don't know who authored it but one of the things they said was side enhancement oil will increase your risk of kidney disease stroke a couple things that they went through, you know increases thrombotic.

[00:13:33] Blah blah blah and also can depending on the types of oils that you're injecting it could cause dyslipidemia, but the real big component was inflammation. And as you point out we want these oils to cause an inflammatory response in the muscle that then attracts fibrinogen and says, hey build some fibrous tissue here make it hard and callous like Ryan.

[00:13:56] So if the oil has the ability to do that. [00:14:00] In the muscle then as it's being metabolized it stands to reason that it has the ability to do that another tissue.

[00:14:07] John Romano: [00:14:07] Absolutely. But you know, you're you're talking about a population of people that have a whole bunch of Cory. I know but himself and posed, for example, you take a guy any of the ones that you mentioned that the at the top of the show.

[00:14:23] Their normal body weight if they were just completely normal and never lift it away would probably be about a hundred fifty hundred sixty pounds right now 300. Okay. So there are three hundred pounds of metabolically active tissue, which means the heart has to work to pump blood to all at extra, you know hundred pounds extra mass.

[00:14:41] Okay. So what happens is the heart muscle is a muscle and the more it has to pump like that the thicker that's the the muscle becomes in the heart wall with that what happens when that occurs is the heart walls become stiffer. They don't become as pliable and is elastic and that creates a problem on [00:15:00] both ends of the heart beating one as it compresses.

[00:15:03] It's got it doesn't compress as much because it's not as. Because it's so what the what the heart walls are so thick and when the heart walls relax on the downbeat to pull the blood back in they don't snap back as well because they're too stiff. So right there you're causing, you know, a tremendous problem.

[00:15:21] Now throw in, you know, the the bodybuilder diet the lifestyle, you know, the other drugs that they're doing the the pump and pose so you're stacking all of these factors on top of your heart and now we're trying to play Jenga to say which. Which one caused right? Right?

[00:15:38] Carl Lanore: [00:15:38] No, I when I when I when I posted this show I thought to myself to things I use Greg Valentino's rear double bicep pose and they all everybody wants a well Greg still alive.

[00:15:49] And then and then I thought to myself people going to say well maybe it's protein powder like facetiously like okay you like it could be anything like all these guys they and a lot of [00:16:00] them use recreational drugs to there's a look. I was honest. What are the things that attracted me to? What's the drugs?

[00:16:08] You know, I'm a product of the 60s. I like drugs. I did drugs my whole life. Now. All of a sudden I could do drugs that will good for me. Yeah, but

[00:16:15] John Romano: [00:16:15] I mean, he's making look good. Yeah,

[00:16:18] Carl Lanore: [00:16:18] there you go. So I mean, I mean obviously but then I keep asking myself. Is that the risk reward? So look when I when I was when I was at my peak of drug use, you know, I was injecting 3 cc's of oil every other day.

[00:16:34] To the point where I couldn't inject the my hips anymore because they became I think that they've developed lots of blood vessels because I would inject and I get the cough, you know, I could taste it. I was like, wow, I didn't hit a vein. I pulled out I aspirated I did hit a vein. So I had to start by choosing other places to inject and and so three CC's that's a lot of oil to I'm thinking myself, but wait a minute.

[00:16:57] Are we saying that just basic HRT [00:17:00] like injecting? 20 50 milligrams a week. That's one cc of oil that you're putting in your muscle the body can metabolize that but it's kind of just because it has testosterone and it's really not much different than what we're talking about here.

[00:17:13] John Romano: [00:17:13] Well, it's got but it's got an ester attached to it which generally regulates the degree to which it will be absorbed into the bloodstream.

[00:17:22] So the longer the Ester in the more gradual the the Depo sits there gets into the bloodstream, so. You have that factor to you know, we'll see see of sippy inator week which is you know, a 7/10 day Esther. That's an Oculus by comparison Valentino stated. He's Lisa's. This is what he told me in confidence that I've heard him.

[00:17:46] Say it to numerous other people over the years. I've known him a long time is that he was using testosterone propionate. At 50 milligram per CC concentration and he was doing like, you know, 2,000 milligrams a [00:18:00] week, right? So humble CC's oil, is that right? And then so he's he was shooting that in his shoulders and biceps and triceps and it had the effect of pumping pose because it filled up the area Liam.

[00:18:14] Yeah ballroom and it created a lot of necrosis. And at one point

[00:18:18] Carl Lanore: [00:18:18] he when he told when he told that story on off topic I thought to myself. Was he making his own gear? Because who's making 50 milligram a milliliter testosterone and then I thought well big deal you could take 200 milligrams per milliliter take a quarter of a milliliter and then draw the rest of the syringe up with with pump and pose

[00:18:35] John Romano: [00:18:35] and people are to sharing used to have a cocktail like that to blend to put 50 milligram propionate was very popular

[00:18:41] Carl Lanore: [00:18:41] because it oh Pro

[00:18:44] John Romano: [00:18:44] yesterday also, So the shorter the Ester the more potent the drug, so you don't you dare look the lower milligram amount as your Esther gets shorter.

[00:18:53] So if because you're using more often, so yeah, I mean he knew Shane would have make [00:19:00] a cocktail of you know, different different all the different steroids. He was using in a stack and then add that to you know, a site enhancement, you know Synthol and that was what they've shot into the into the muscle that was pretty common for a while.

[00:19:14] Right why you're up you're right about that. And

[00:19:16] Carl Lanore: [00:19:16] and and when I interviewed Greg back, then 10 years

[00:19:20] John Romano: [00:19:20] ago for

[00:19:21] Carl Lanore: [00:19:21] X muscle one of the things I came away thinking about him was that he has autoimmune disorders and I always wondered the back of my head how much of his autoimmune disorders have been contributed to by the amount of oil his body has had to metabolize over the decades, you know.

[00:19:38] John Romano: [00:19:38] What you know, it's a foreign substance and we have a lot of any fruit women with breast implants have all kinds of problems, you know with, you know, must joint pain muscle pain, you know their next hurt that could be either from the weight of the boobs pulling them down or the fact that there's a.

[00:19:55] You know foreign substance toxic shock syndrome, you can get from [00:20:00] foreign substances in your body of all kinds of things even even a surgical appliances fake hips fake knees they can cause probably no doubt down the road because you have a foreign substance your body your body wants to get rid of.

[00:20:13] So here you have I hate to keep you some Greg as the example, but he's the most you know, ubiquitous. You've got to you've got this tremendous amount of scar tissue built up in a small area in the body wants to get rid of. And and the the the mechanisms by which it does that create, you know via the mechanisms that deal with toxins and then you have the toxic waste that has to get you know liberated some way.

[00:20:41] Yeah, and these attack very structures of the body and cause problems and you know, and you know, Greg is joked about his digestive issues for years so I could it be you know, we always joke that was the creatine shit bubble, but actually it's not I

[00:20:55] Carl Lanore: [00:20:55] think the oil. He told he told the story on off-topic now that we're on it where [00:21:00] he was at a show.

[00:21:00] I think was the Arnold and he had to go so quick bad and he doesn't have the ability to hold his bowels any longer and he literally walked into the stall turned around lock the stall and as he was getting his pants down. He let it out and he crapped all over the guys feet and shoes in the stall next to.

[00:21:21] And so then he said he pulled up his pants and he ran out because the guy he was yelling already what the hell and the guy was like making his way out as though he left because he was like coming out see who just crapped on my shoes. I mean, you know it we laugh at that but that is a sad sad situation that.

[00:21:39] John Romano: [00:21:39] Now I know now I know why all of the rest stop bathrooms are such a mess with Valentina

[00:21:46] Carl Lanore: [00:21:46] Valentina use them. But before we go into this group break, you're doing some work for gaspari nutrition now, right? What are you doing? What are you doing with them?

[00:21:55] John Romano: [00:21:55] My company written in ink is doing some [00:22:00] freelance work for Ritchie with respect to his digital marketing.

[00:22:03] I create all of his. Digital marketing text so all the ad campaigns are running label copy articles blogs and we're enriching as website Rich which is kind of going through a Renaissance now with respect to marketing. He's paying much more attention to online marketing as an adjunct to his brick and mortar, you know, a lot of supplement companies is rep is slow to realize how good and how much bang for the buck you get.

[00:22:33] Marketing digitally versus you know the old way right? And so I'm you know, I've worked at least when Trent died when I left muscular development in 2009 when print died, you know, we those of us who are immersed in print I would see no senior editor of muscular tone for 18 years. Where am I going to go after, you know print guys, right?

[00:22:56] I work for muscle mag. I work for muscle inside or after that. There's nobody [00:23:00] left but weeder and they're gone now too so. The paper Rags so you as a writer, you know, you got to evolve with the times and I involved in to the you know to the digital realm as I saw marketing could use that you know that content and it's been working out really well.

[00:23:16] So yeah Rich, he's getting a high-end website building is being constructed right now, and we're focusing on digital marketing campaigns. Retargeting campaigns and really immersing him in his company in the digital realm. I'm

[00:23:32] Carl Lanore: [00:23:32] happy for him. I'm happy, you know, he's always he's always been an icon in the industry.

[00:23:38] I know he went through a rough time. I know like me he went through a pretty bad divorce that derailed his life and I know what that feels like

[00:23:48] John Romano: [00:23:48] WhatsApp and his company. Yeah,

[00:23:50] Carl Lanore: [00:23:50] and I'm glad that he's making a comeback sounds like he's going to I wish him all the

[00:23:53] John Romano: [00:23:53] best. He's coming back like gangbusters you here Richie is a freaking animal.

[00:23:58] You're not going to stop him. Right? [00:24:00] Just

[00:24:00] Carl Lanore: [00:24:00] well, he's Italian John.  You know, we we you might look you gotta you know, gotta call it what it is. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll finish this discussion up stay tuned. We're talking with John Romano. We'll be right back.

[00:24:11] John Romano: [00:24:11] Welcome back to Super you Meridia.

[00:24:13] We're

[00:24:13] Carl Lanore: [00:24:13] talking with John Romano today. We're talking about site enhancement oil and clearly it's not that cut and dry. We can't say hey, this is what it causes or not causes and as you well point out those of us who indulge in this lifestyle we play with a lot of things that could be considered Risky Business.

[00:24:32] And what about this notion that some of these side enhancement oils are made in. In not the best environments maybe not aseptic environment that there could be you know, because everybody thinks well, if you just had some benzyl alcohol kills the bad bugs and everything is good and that's just not the case.

[00:24:52] John Romano: [00:24:52] Yeah, it's not benzyl alcohol is is good. You know, it should be in there as a [00:25:00] preservative and as end Isaiah, you know disinfectant, but it's not going to kill everything at the very least. It should be you know. Filtered through a point to 2 micron filter that that'll take a lot of the viruses out.

[00:25:15] But hit the thing is, you know, it's what we're concentrating on American. We don't really, you know, broaden our scope to the Middle East to Central and South America where this is really rampant and like I said among women it's incredibly popular. So I read absolute horror stories about women who go to these things called shot parties.

[00:25:38] And that's where they go and get their butts shot up and they have used things all they've used cement glue industrial silicone motor oil. They have used the most incredibly toxic things and people women have died from this from the infections and caused by you know this stuff. So yeah, [00:26:00] the the clowns that we make fun of are really playing with their lives because they're using all kinds of crap.

[00:26:06] That's not you know designed for this use. So, you know, you can have all kinds of you know, medical issues just based on what the substance is and and you know, how much of it you put in and you put in you know, 50 cc's of industrial-grade silicone. You're going to die right area, right?

[00:26:27] Carl Lanore: [00:26:27] So what do you think about Hollywood you think Hollywood is using site injection enhancement oils and stuff.

[00:26:34] John Romano: [00:26:34] I don't think so. I don't know but I would doubt it. I would think they would be more apt to go the plastic surgery. And you know, this is this is this is the low-rent district means of enhancing a site they would use. You know prosthetic implants and I know they have I mean, I know I know actors who have had PEC implants put in bicep implants.

[00:26:57] There's this one guy that this is this [00:27:00] gay guy who's famous for restructuring his body with all kinds of fake body parts, you know lat muscles biceps triceps packs, you know, everything he's got a prosthetic made for every single body part. He's just he's just a you know, he looks. Looks like a plastic don't think I would like a plastic doll right?

[00:27:21] Always

[00:27:22] Carl Lanore: [00:27:22] right, aren't

[00:27:23] John Romano: [00:27:23] we? Should we fill? What

[00:27:23] Carl Lanore: [00:27:23] is so from a bodybuilding competition competition standpoint, right? Then Lori unfairly for whatever reason he was bitter as he got older came out and started the rumor that Arnold had calf implants put in and clearly you can see Arnold's calves working.

[00:27:42] You can see the muscles Contracting which is when you see calf implants. They don't contract they just saw their static, but Dan started that rumor before he passed away and it was designed to smear Arnold and somehow make it look like it [00:28:00] wasn't all hard work fast forward to today's bodybuilders who are using site enhancement oils to bring up that week body part, isn't it?

[00:28:08] Just cheating. Isn't this just another form of cheating?

[00:28:12] John Romano: [00:28:12] Help you can look at it two ways or I look at it two ways.  If you lump site enhancement oil use into the in the whole pie that encompasses what a competitive Pro bodybuilder does to get ready for a show. And you include the crazy diet the crazy amount of drugs the ancillary drugs the deep tissue massage this this the the isolation movements that this, you know, vitamin mineral, you know assays

[00:28:49] Carl Lanore: [00:28:49] visions and stuff, right?

[00:28:50] Yeah

[00:28:51] John Romano: [00:28:51] all of this shit so, you know, and if you're an athlete the Korean friend example a CrossFit athletes got to worry about drug testing you throw the drug testing in there, too. [00:29:00] These are all obstacles these. All things that Encompass what it is to be a champion and you got to do each one of them, right the diets got to be right you got to do your drugs, right?

[00:29:09] The prep is the dialing is got to be right the diuretics the sodium load the drugs. Everything has got to be done correctly including the pumping pose. So if you Encompass it in the ball of wax, yeah, that's just part of the deal if you pick it apart and say oh wow. You know that's cheating. Well, then shows using steroids shows using you know growth hormone.

[00:29:33] So is using an implant,

[00:29:37] Carl Lanore: [00:29:37] but but also not even I would put this I would put this in the same category as an implant. So I wouldn't I wouldn't consider growth hormone cheating because it's a drug that is actually having a physiological effect on the architecture of the muscle the same thing. Hormones testosterone tremble on all those things like that.

[00:30:00] [00:30:00] They're actually.  having an effect on the muscle that the structure of the muscle the architect of the muscle is having physiological changes that are innate in that muscle structure. But an implant or an oil that is being inserted and actually creating extra volume. Extra separation that wasn't earned by using the drugs and training hard and waiting for those changes to happen but happen more overnight.

[00:30:33] That's where I don't know. Maybe I'm you know, I've never. Live the hard life of a bodybuilder. I've talked about on the show that of all the sports basketball football. I don't care. Nobody works as hard as bodybuilders because they stay on 10 years. There's no offseason and their offseason.

[00:30:51] They're making better gains. So maybe I don't I'm not sensitive to the real struggle, but I kind of feel like implants and oil now that's [00:31:00] cheating the other stuff. It's not because you're just enhancing your the enhancing the. Underpinnings of physiological changes of the muscle it's not some thing that oh, you could do it now in an hour later.

[00:31:12] You got this this this this larger muscle. 

[00:31:16] John Romano: [00:31:16] Yeah, I agree with that. I completely agree with that. The the fix the problem is bodybuilding. There's no such thing as cheating. It's just that you do anything, you know. You know you were so when I say cheating I'm talking about the Federation promulgates a set of rules that you're supposed to follow when using drugs is one of those not using drugs is one of those rules.

[00:31:45] So in that vein is cheating, but ideally yeah immediately it's cheating but inserting something that is a fine line there. What's the difference between using you know, fit 50 cc's of side enhancement oil versus 50 cc's of testosterone [00:32:00] propionate

[00:32:01] Carl Lanore: [00:32:01] now, you're right. You're

[00:32:02] John Romano: [00:32:02] right.

[00:32:02] Carl Lanore: [00:32:02] So it's a very it's a very very murky murky thing.

[00:32:07] Do you think in the end the way body now and I don't want to I want to go back and talk about these parties where people are injecting this stuff because that's fascinating to me. So

[00:32:17] John Romano: [00:32:17] yeah,

[00:32:18] Carl Lanore: [00:32:18] the way bodybuilders are using site enhancement oils. It seems to be a lot more responsible like they using smaller amounts.

[00:32:30] They're they're actually using them more strategically. That seems to be a more responsible if it can be responsible more responsible way to be using them. Would you agree with that statement? Absolutely. The way Pros are using it the way

[00:32:46] John Romano: [00:32:46] Pros are yeah, the way Pros are using it but they're not, you know, writing how-to manuals, right?

[00:32:52] You know where most of what we're talking about is supposition or. You know anecdotal evidence based [00:33:00] on our conversations just with a few people that we know which is in effect here say so, you know who really knows, you know that the concept of this show is really good. You know, how is this is this practice causing heart conditions?

[00:33:18] And the only problem with that is there's so many other things that all of these guys are doing. Did it's just impossible to pigeonhole One Thing versus the other or maybe it's a combination of things who the hell knows I mean Rich

[00:33:34] Carl Lanore: [00:33:34] Piana the day he died supposedly he had been doing coke that morning.

[00:33:38] So how do we know the cocaine didn't cause you know his heart attack, you know, why are

[00:33:43] John Romano: [00:33:43] you ignoring his pre-workout? You know, they said he was doing yes, so, you know who the hell knows you gotta remember always. We're talking about bodybuilding Pro bodybuilder. We're talking about and if the most [00:34:00] extreme application of Weights drugs without, you know Fitness that you could I hate even called.

[00:34:07] Carl Lanore: [00:34:07] Yeah, I know how its counter for this. Yeah,

[00:34:09] John Romano: [00:34:09] right.

[00:34:10] Carl Lanore: [00:34:10] We're

[00:34:10] John Romano: [00:34:10] gonna drill word Yahweh tweets and drugs the gym weight than drugs. You're the most extreme application of that the mindset. Behind that extreme behavior is you know, I remember an article that was printed in the LA Times around when a 1984 when the Olympics were in LA and and you know, there were talking about, you know, cheating and drugs and all that it back at that time and the LA Times had a question here and they sent it out to I think it was a thousand athletes and the question was or Olympic athletes, I think.

[00:34:49] The question was is if you could if you could take a substance that would guarantee you a gold medal this year guaranteed gold medal, but it would kill you [00:35:00] within five years. Would you take it ninety-eight percent of the respondents said, yes, so that's a mind that's a mindset. That's a mindset.

[00:35:10] You're not going to get out of a bottle. That's that's that's encrypted in your DNA and that's just the kind of person you are and that's what makes these people gravitate towards this and that's the commonality. So, you know throw the hard tissues in with their to they say yeah, you know what that me always cycle psychotic episode.

[00:35:30] You know depression bipolar. It's all part of it's all part of the did you

[00:35:36] Carl Lanore: [00:35:36] did you see the study that came out two years ago that linked Trend ballon to Advanced Alzheimer's disease. 

[00:35:45] John Romano: [00:35:45] That's my problem. I

[00:35:47] Carl Lanore: [00:35:47] know I listen. I read that one. I thought oh crap really like like really,

[00:35:53] John Romano: [00:35:53] you know, I look at the I hear we studied come on all the time, you know if you're in the loop.

[00:36:00] [00:35:59] The problem with them is is that they're they're not real studies. It would be unethical to

[00:36:07] Carl Lanore: [00:36:07] yes. Great point to

[00:36:08] John Romano: [00:36:08] make a study like that. Yeah, you're talking about here. Let's see. How much of this is going to take the kill you that's not an ethical study, right? And no we're going to perform it, right, you know, and then and then you have to find the respondents willing to take the placebo.

[00:36:22] She bodybuilding you don't want any nobody's gonna want to take. Yeah,

[00:36:25] Carl Lanore: [00:36:25] and the other problem is that the rodent studies don't always translate to humans. They just don't

[00:36:31] John Romano: [00:36:31] they do a lot of

[00:36:32] Carl Lanore: [00:36:32] things that happen to rodents that don't happen to humans when they follow the same diet or requirements that were used in the study.

[00:36:40] John Romano: [00:36:40] Short

[00:36:40] Carl Lanore: [00:36:40] film

[00:36:40] John Romano: [00:36:40] so it gives you an idea but absolutely does not extrapolate to human physiology.

[00:36:47] Carl Lanore: [00:36:47] I want to I want to take a last commercial break and when we come back, I want to plug gaspari a little bit more. I want you to tell me what's on the horizon new supplements. What's exciting over there?

[00:36:57] Okay, stay tuned. We'll be right back [00:37:00] with more of John Romano state from one Italian guy to to others Joe. Cristiano says my two favorite guineas. See, I don't think he's racist for saying that

[00:37:12] John Romano: [00:37:12] no, you

[00:37:12] Carl Lanore: [00:37:12] don't think about this. Right all this stuff about racism. I mean isn't it racist what they did with the Super Mario and Nintendo these easy Italian guy.

[00:37:21] Hey Mario, it's like. 

[00:37:24] John Romano: [00:37:24] You know, the Italians have been have been picked on for their stereotypes and idiosyncrasies for years. And if we don't if we don't kill you, we really don't say anything right? So now it's I think it's the word racist is so overused now the we I set it on Facebook. We need a new word because this one is just has no meaning anymore.

[00:37:48] It's just well

[00:37:49] Carl Lanore: [00:37:49] actually actually its meaning has changed. So when you and I were young we lived through the 60s, we live through the actual Civil Rights Movement when when black people were fighting for [00:38:00] equality.

[00:38:01] John Romano: [00:38:01] Because they were proud of their race

[00:38:03] Carl Lanore: [00:38:03] and they just wanted they just wanted the same opportunities as everybody else because they wanted to work hard and develop and build and so on and I mean he'll I signed the petition at Pratt Institute to Free Angela Davis that brought that brought to Black Panther guys to my apartment.

[00:38:20] My father goes if you ever start a petition again, I'm gonna smack the shit out of you, right? They wanted me to join the Black Panthers. They didn't realize I was only 12 years old. But anyway, The interesting the interesting thing is that so if you're an economist, you see everything in life Through The Eyes of an economist, right?

[00:38:38] If I tell you a story you see it through how that affects the economy or how that situation was affected by the economy today racism isn't about people hurting other people because of their race. It's about blaming everything. On race it's like everything that happens. There's a racist component [00:39:00] to it now and it and it has lost its meaning it really has and it said because.

[00:39:07] Like I look I grew up in Bed-Stuy Brooklyn. I thought I was black for the first 14 years of my life. I'm being sincere with you and I just had my 23andMe done and I'm 14 percent Northern African. So, you know, I am a little dark, you know, they mean but the reality is that they've destroyed they've destroyed the meaning of the word by overusing it and now and now it means nothing at all

[00:39:29] John Romano: [00:39:29] what you know, the suffix is was always.

[00:39:33] Used to declare Proficiency in something. So if you were guitarist or a harpist or or or or a artist, you know when you're in ished you were you were proficient at and proud of what you do. Well, and that was what race is meant it meant you were proud of your race and you were you were you know, promoting your [00:40:00] race based on your pride in what you are and that led to negative connotations because the you know One race didn't like how much the other race thought of themselves and then it became a negative connotation.

[00:40:14] So now you know. If you buy brown eggs, you're a fucking racist, right? You know, so it's like it's so overblown and overworked and overdone and and for all the wrong reasons, let me

[00:40:28] Carl Lanore: [00:40:28] ask you a question. Okay?

[00:40:33] It's racist to do something hurtful harmful and negative to someone based on the color of their skin.

[00:40:41] John Romano: [00:40:41] True

[00:40:42] Carl Lanore: [00:40:42] is it racist to do something good kind and uplifting for someone based on the color of their skin.

[00:40:49] John Romano: [00:40:49] It used to be used to be. Okay, like

[00:40:53] Carl Lanore: [00:40:53] any like no matter what if you take race into consideration based on an action or decision, [00:41:00] that's racist, right?

[00:41:01] Whether it's the diet whether it's good or bad. Because

[00:41:04] John Romano: [00:41:04] you thought you were better because of your race, right that made you racist because you you believe so much in your race is he were racist so you promoted yourself over the other color Rhino and then that became derogatory and negative which you know, obviously that would happen in the heart,

[00:41:23] Carl Lanore: [00:41:23] but I guess my point is so if they're a policies that are designed to help a group of people based on their race.

[00:41:30] Get that to leverage their opportunities and make them better than these other people who are not part of their race that's racism to

[00:41:39] John Romano: [00:41:39] what he absolutely but not bad not in a bad way

[00:41:42] Carl Lanore: [00:41:42] know and that's my point. See that that's the whole that's the whole mess we have today, right we need, you know, I wish there was a way to.

[00:41:54] Almost, you know. Black people were very smart when they use the [00:42:00] n-word and diffused its meaning amongst themselves. So that meant that people who use that word to hurt them could no longer hurt them. The same thing has to be done with the word racist.

[00:42:12] John Romano: [00:42:12] Yeah, but it's not going

[00:42:13] Carl Lanore: [00:42:13] to

[00:42:13] John Romano: [00:42:13] know.

[00:42:14] Carl Lanore: [00:42:14] I know I know

[00:42:15] John Romano: [00:42:15] it's being leveraged is such a political tool right now that Ambassador Eisen such a dreadful way.

[00:42:22] I mean you look at this these for Maniac hookers in front of Congress, you know Cortez and the Omar and the other two right there. What why don't they have a white girl with them? Where's the white mesh Pockets native Point? Okay. So there are up there hating America yelling, you know live blatantly lying about the conditions in the detention centers lying about things Trump did absolutely.

[00:42:52] Like Omar last night was too was was stating yesterday. The truck was guilty of abuse was [00:43:00] guilty of colluding with the Russians when the whole freaking millimolar report said he wasn't but she yesterday.

[00:43:06] Carl Lanore: [00:43:06] He knows that

[00:43:07] John Romano: [00:43:07] came up two months ago. This is yesterday. She's saying this nonsense. Okay, so so they are using their in flaming the populist because the group that they Pander to is not very intelligent.

[00:43:20] It's the down bar

[00:43:22] Carl Lanore: [00:43:22] that snout and therein lies the problem right the people who

[00:43:27] John Romano: [00:43:27] vote. So there you have these Fork. Where is the intelligent white woman among them that's gonna you know be part of their be part of their little, you know coffee clutch

[00:43:36] Carl Lanore: [00:43:36] and that's what I said.

[00:43:38] John Romano: [00:43:38] Of course, it's racist huh?

[00:43:39] And then they called Trump racist, right? Anti-American white hating jew-hating. They hate everybody. They hate everybody and everything except themselves. They also hate them they hate themselves first. That's why they hate everybody else. Right but then they have the nerve when Trump says you hate it so much leave and that makes well [00:44:00] when

[00:44:00] Carl Lanore: [00:44:00] he really said was if you hate it here so much.

[00:44:02] Go back to the country you came from that are in such horrible condition fix those countries. Once you fix them come back and tell us how you did it. He didn't say go back to your country. He didn't say something about their race. He didn't even say anything. He what he said was the nation's they came from right?

[00:44:23] He said go back to those countries and fix them and then come back and tell us how you how you fixed. But it or

[00:44:30] John Romano: [00:44:30] how about or how about just doing something positive in your own job in class?

[00:44:34] Carl Lanore: [00:44:34] Well, interesting enough Ocasio Cortez has a very intelligent very very merited black woman running against her this next election

[00:44:43] John Romano: [00:44:43] in New York.

[00:44:44] Yeah.

[00:44:45] Carl Lanore: [00:44:45] Yeah. So watch what's going to happen over there? Watch what's gonna happen here

[00:44:48] John Romano: [00:44:48] when she was a business owner? She's right. She's worked in the public domain. Before me she's got experience. Yeah knockos always AOC out of a wider

[00:44:58] Carl Lanore: [00:44:58] predict. My prediction is [00:45:00] once AOC gets out of office. She's going to get a job on The View for five million dollars a year.

[00:45:05] John Romano: [00:45:05] Go back to being a Barton

[00:45:06] Carl Lanore: [00:45:06] sitting on she gonna sit next to those other yentas and complain about life. That's what she's gonna do. So tell me what's going on what's going on? That's exciting over Gaspar nutrition Rich used to lead the pack when he used to introduce supplements way before anybody else did is he going to be.

[00:45:22] Doing that again.

[00:45:23] John Romano: [00:45:23] Oh, well that sure hasn't changed. The Richie Richie is always on The Cutting Edge of you know, developing new supplements things that haven't been done before we're coming. We just came out with an egg protein. Remember a gal viewing from back in the day sure. You know, we're focusing on ketogenic diet errs.

[00:45:41] Paleo diet has given them an alternative to way and protein is extremely versatile really good. The newer versions of it are nothing like the old versions and you know, it's another it's just something that nobody else is doing you know, we have joint formulas coming out we would have with Omega [00:46:00] threes.

[00:46:00] We have a we have an invite which is a multivitamin mineral which is the only multivitamin mineral that has beta-alanine which is an incredible. You know,

[00:46:10] Carl Lanore: [00:46:10] you know, what beta alanine is good for for all the people. So you've heard of it, you've heard of advanced glycation end products, right? Okay.

[00:46:19] So AG he's on your skin are like beauty marks

[00:46:23] John Romano: [00:46:23] River. Yes,

[00:46:25] Carl Lanore: [00:46:25] right, but you get them on your organs. You get them on your nervous system. In fact, there was a doctor who came on my show about six years ago. Who did a study and what he was trying to show was that AG he's uncertain heart tissue, like like like a like an old board if you Splash solder across two runs, you you short them out.

[00:46:46] Right and he was saying that the development of AG he's in the diabetic population is causing the Rhythm issues that they have with their heart because he's a gee he's actually conductive and so they're bridging across the nodes that that cause the heart to beat and they're making them [00:47:00] short. So low dose of beta alanine on a daily basis allow the body to reabsorb a GES.

[00:47:08] There's nothing in nature that does that other than beta alanine

[00:47:12] John Romano: [00:47:12] the key you just said is regular doses. Yes, and that's the problem with a lot of supplements is that people don't take them readily, but they take their vitamins every day.

[00:47:22] Carl Lanore: [00:47:22] Yes. That's nice to be the vitamins.

[00:47:24] John Romano: [00:47:24] Well, what better product to put the beta alanine with you know, when you need efficacious doses on a regular basis what better vehicle than a multivitamin because you were going to take that everyday.

[00:47:35] So, you know between that and you know, the efa's that we're doing the I mean not the if they are essential amino amino acid. Thank

[00:47:42] Carl Lanore: [00:47:42] you. Thank you. Not useless BCAAs. Thank you for using eaa's. Thank you,

[00:47:47] John Romano: [00:47:47] you know the EAS include the the poor I

[00:47:50] Carl Lanore: [00:47:50] know but you know, I'm John using BCAAs. Is like calling all the bricklayers in but not giving him any cement and Bricks to build walls.

[00:48:00] [00:48:00] You're turning on or turning on the shift. You say okay, we're going to work today, but you're not giving them anything to build with the EAS can actually turn on the shift and they have what you need to build to

[00:48:11] John Romano: [00:48:11] and not only that but but but the essentiality of them are is vital to human life, you know, you go long enough without essential fat you'll die.

[00:48:21] Absolutely die had people don't think so. But you go. If you go long enough without the essential facts you are you

[00:48:29] Carl Lanore: [00:48:29] always on my way. I'm confusing it you so many FAS or eat essential amino acids 7005

[00:48:36] John Romano: [00:48:36] but of essential essential, there's the essential amino acids that you must get from the diet. If you will get sick and die and they're essential fatty acids.

[00:48:45] If you don't get from the diet, you will eventually get sick and die. So I mean eventually not tomorrow, right? You know, they did build it to feature a gradual deleterious breakdown that will lead to premature death the

[00:48:57] Carl Lanore: [00:48:57] endoplasmic the endoplasmic [00:49:00] reticulum of every cell is the telegraph office

[00:49:04] John Romano: [00:49:04] for

[00:49:04] Carl Lanore: [00:49:04] cellular to Cellular communication.

[00:49:06] And what it does is its strings amino acids together and syntax that creates messages to tell cells what to do. So people who are like on strict vegan diets for years and years and years. They don't realize that if you decided to write a book and somebody said to you, you can't use the word though.

[00:49:22] You can't use the word and you can't use the word other go ahead and write that book people go. I don't understand what this guy is trying to say Well, when the endoplasmic reticulum isn't given all of the words that it can use to build the Syntax for the message. It sends these messages that are become men.

[00:49:40] They become metabolic debris. In fact, this is it. This is what people are thinking what plaque buildup in the brain is.

[00:49:47] John Romano: [00:49:47] Right, really? Yeah,

[00:49:48] Carl Lanore: [00:49:48] because because people who have fragmented sleep where they wake up a lot all night long and they don't undergo REM sleep. They're endoplasmic reticulum actually start to send out garbled messages [00:50:00] and those messages have no meaning so they're not accepted.

[00:50:03] So they float around and then they just get stuck places and they start to develop his plaque. It's like if you every time you work on something you tear the page, I'm not going to use that you throw it aside you end up with a pile of paper over here, right? You got to throw it away now. Well when the when the ER doesn't make good messages it all that those Miss for messages.

[00:50:21] They just float around they pile up and. Stick to things and they become plaque. So if you don't have essential amino acids in your diet, you're actually compromising the ability for cellular to Cellular communication. Think about the impact of that.

[00:50:36] John Romano: [00:50:36] Sure sure, maybe you know in that vein, although not exactly the same another great product.

[00:50:43] You know, we've come out with is bone broth program for collagen collagen understand the importance of collagen and in the structure, it's the glue that holds us all together and that we as we get older and pound our bodies into submission daily our [00:51:00] collagen levels, you know, drop significantly and not and nobody is nobody's you know, supplementing them.

[00:51:06] So we have a great protein supplement from from from Bones from collagen. You know, the egg protein like I said is another great, you know come back from the all day and then of course, you know, the Legacy products that we've had super pumped to 50, which is now Super Pump Max that has been redesigned, you know, the these proven whey protein all of our you know products, you know, Richie's got a global Poll for all of this stuff because he's always had great high quality.

[00:51:38] Efficacious products that were that were always good and he always stood behind them and there's really very few supplement company owners who have their name on the bottle. Right? And I believe that makes a tremendous difference in the in the in the Outlook of the quality of your product because the buck stops there [00:52:00] write your names on the bottle.

[00:52:01] You know, LeBron is name is on the bottle, you know of very few other guys in the you got. You know Richie and and and Lee are the ones that actually develop products but then you've got you know Coleman and kotler and guys that are having some habitat.

[00:52:14] Carl Lanore: [00:52:14] They're just they're just names that people want to do deals with because they bring an audience.

[00:52:18] That's all things

[00:52:19] John Romano: [00:52:19] are exactly. But Richie is actually designed his products, you know, he uses science to uses experience City uses the the tried who

[00:52:30] Carl Lanore: [00:52:30] don't

[00:52:31] John Romano: [00:52:31] know

[00:52:31] Carl Lanore: [00:52:31] what we need, you know, we need you know, we need again you'd is a white space. Liver tabs

[00:52:38] John Romano: [00:52:38] desiccated liver, you know,

[00:52:40] Carl Lanore: [00:52:40] you know, you know what John A lot of people when I say I've said this to other people and it's something that I know you gotta eat too many of them.

[00:52:47] They don't taste good but who could bodybuilders eat dog crap if it give them us?

[00:52:52] John Romano: [00:52:52] Are you remember back in the day? What was the unipro? I think it was the the maker of our Universal Universal

[00:52:58] Carl Lanore: [00:52:58] made them whoever

[00:52:59] John Romano: [00:52:59] came in a bottle [00:53:00] like that how you take it like 13 of them? Yeah.

[00:53:02] Carl Lanore: [00:53:02] Yeah, and and what's his name of the guy who played The Hulk?

[00:53:05] Why can't I think of his name Luca rig know he used to eat them by the handful all day long all day long. He would be eating them and and you know, what's really funny if you look at the research on desiccated liver the rodents that they put into the swim test. The ones that didn't get the desiccated liver, they died.

[00:53:24] They drowned the ones that got the desiccated liver they swam until they said we got to end the test. They took the wrote the Rodin's live. They took them out of the water. They get it was the desiccated liver that allowed them to swim till they survived

[00:53:37] John Romano: [00:53:37] right

[00:53:38] Carl Lanore: [00:53:38] and if you cook it about training, you know,

[00:53:40] John Romano: [00:53:40] sure I don't know why I don't know why that kind of just fell off.

[00:53:44] If you don't like egg protein these products were great back in the day and then they just fell off. It fell off the map because you know other stuff gets invented and your creatine came along and was became you know, the end all of all of all supplements. It's a great supplement. But you know, you got to you [00:54:00] got to distill this down to what would be essential on a monthly basis that you would spend x amount of money.

[00:54:07] And if you're going to get the most bang for your buck, I mean you're going to want to take beta alanine. You're going to want to take something with caffeine. And if you're going to want to take something with creatine in it, you're going to want to take something with a essential fats and Omega threes in it.

[00:54:20] And you're probably going to want to take some kind of protein. You know, whey protein product don't five right there occupy the top skus in almost every. You know supplement company, right and whereas because you know and gaspari is actually integrated them into a number of its product so that you're you're getting that bang for your buck and I think that's incredibly important when you when you got a supplement line is you got to think of the guy.

[00:54:46] Who's you know swinging away in the gym working as hard as he can he's trying to be a bodybuilder is resources or limited. He's got to buy all this other shit. And then how much money does he actually have after Food and Drugs and apart in his [00:55:00] apartment and his gym membership. Does he have you know for supplements and for a lot of guys it's very little right see you got to put stuff out there that packs a punch and gets the job done.

[00:55:11] And I think Richie is always been. You know cognizant of that fact and is always put out a good product equality for product at a fair price, which is you know, is the Jewish Axiom to success and that's funny.

[00:55:28] Carl Lanore: [00:55:28] I look it's been great having you back on the show. We have to do more of this. Sure. I'm and I think so the summary is we really don't know if site injection oil is doing anything deleterious, but definitely to the people that are in South America who would just injecting God knows what into their butts and into their muscles that obviously is bad and they a lot of them end up dead.

[00:55:52] They really do a lot of them end up on slabs

[00:55:56] John Romano: [00:55:56] the shot girls on the slab. Yeah.

[00:56:00] [00:55:59] Carl Lanore: [00:55:59] I John has been great having you brother

[00:56:02] John Romano: [00:56:02] that you too bro. I appreciate the opportunity.

[00:56:04] Carl Lanore: [00:56:04] Yeah, we'll talk again soon and that's all I've got for today. Now this let's see that this Thursday tomorrow. We do have a new life RX show tomorrow.

[00:56:14] We're going to be talking about some new peptides Friday. I believe I'm off the air. I'm waiting to hear back from a guest. We are definitely going to have. Dr. Elizabeth back on the show next Friday to do another pep talk we're going to talk about we're going to talk about the DSi P the deep sleep inducing peptide.

[00:56:32] We talked about it a couple years ago for sleep, but there's some new research on it that it actually may help people who've had Strokes. It's really exciting. And it also looks like it may be a universal cancer. Fighting agent, so we're going to talk about dsrip again one more time next Friday.

[00:56:50] And of course we have great shows planned for the entire week next week. So I hope you can tune in. If not, there's the. And please pass the [00:57:00] shows around sharing with

[00:57:22] John Romano: [00:57:22] your

[00:57:26] friends.