[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] welcome back to another episode of superhuman radio. Today is September 13th. It's a Friday 2019. It's Friday the 13th. And ironically I feel like I'm doing really good work today on this show. I am a sincere believer in those of you have listened to me for the past few years. At least I've said, Had autoimmunity finds itself implicated in so many chronic diseases of modernity today and when we talk about the immune system with talking about the gut and inflammation is the oh what happened.

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[00:01:28] Well, I'm obviously obviously having. Camera issues, but it won't stop the show. This is an important show because I believe that autoimmunity Finds Its itself and implicated in many many diseases that have modernity today, and we could not have a better person to talk about this today. I had the Good Fortune to have breakfast this morning with the doctor William seeds and his family His Brilliant son Billy and I told them about today's show and Doctor seed said there's lots of doctors out [00:02:00] there talking a good game.

[00:02:02] But dr. Turner is actually changing lives for people with autoimmunity with peptides and that's saying a lot because there's a lot of people out there who claim to know what they're doing, but there's not a lot of people who actually are doing the work. So thank you for being here today.

[00:02:17] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:02:17] Thank you Carl.

[00:02:19] Carl Lanore: [00:02:19] So you did a lecture at IPS International peptide Society Symposium this year that. Clearly was amazing because you actually you didn't just talk about Theory you talk about application and actual results that you were getting with patients in the autoimmunity sphere. So let's start there talk about the presentation you did and and and and how it how you even came to start to focus on autoimmunity with peptides.

[00:02:52] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:02:52] Well the path the pathways are really critical. Those are things. I didn't really learn about in medical school or if I did I sort of skipped [00:03:00] over them. The pace is so rapid that you don't really get a chance to dive in and really grasp what's happening. And so now learning about the pathways for maybe the second time and hearing how there are things we can do that influence those pathways.

[00:03:20] Makes a big difference. I also see in my practice over and over again patients who are sick, but whose Labs look fairly normal who's regular Labs look normal. And so trying to figure out a way to heal them was what started me on this journey in general?

[00:03:36] Carl Lanore: [00:03:36] Okay, and so peptides are relatively new on the scene.

[00:03:41] I happen to know that you are part of the Mastermind group at IPS. You are one of the Physicians. That's actually blazing a trail instead of just learning. You're actually contributing to the learning process. When did you introduce peptides into working with these patients that seem to have [00:04:00] normal blood work, but had a lot of really horrible symptoms.

[00:04:04] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:04:04] About two years ago. So we had had several patients who are like that who I just knew there was something wrong and we need to fix them or I knew they had autoimmune things and we had treated them with all of the standard protocol therapies things that you would use. Tree starting with their gut starting with even using things like low dose Naltrexone, but either they had side effects or they didn't tolerate or for some reason.

[00:04:29] They were not responding to standard of care in even in functional medicine realm and so just by looking for another thing to help. I went to I guess it was an a4m conference where I heard I heard someone speak about mechanic growth factor and I had a hip injury at the time that I've been nursing for a while probably two years.

[00:04:51] So I ran home and figured out how to order the mechanic growth factor and shot myself with it and got so much better fairly quickly. So I decided to pursue [00:05:00] the fellowship in peptide therapy with IPS and a4m

[00:05:04] Carl Lanore: [00:05:04] what kind of people do you see and I'm going to use the word spectrum. I know it's been used in autism.

[00:05:09] But autoimmunity is one of those things to you know, autoimmunity is a spectrum of disorders from rheumatoid. Arthritis fibromyalgia Scleroderma. I mean the list goes on and now we're starting to learn that diseases like Parkinson's disease. Have an autoimmune component to it. So, you know when you when you what do you see the most coming in your door when they are on that Spectrum what types of diseases you see most?

[00:05:40] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:05:40] We'll probably most common it is diabetes and pre-diabetes ice. I am I do practice Family Medicine, but if you think about it, even even even athletes are in some degree of autoimmune storm because there are immune inflammation storm because of their extreme training that they do so so [00:06:00] probably the number one thing I see is is heart disease and diabetes.

[00:06:04] But but I have a good smattering of all the things you mentioned. Unfortunately more and more. Dementia would be probably number three and then Parkinson ALS. I had a hard to Huntington's patient some neurodegenerative disease patients in general even things like patients who are in their early 40s beginning to have decline in memory beginning to have where they're not functioning optimally at their job.

[00:06:31] So that's that's probably my top ones.

[00:06:35] Carl Lanore: [00:06:35] So let's go ahead and start and review the autoimmune pathophysiology like you did at IPS. Let's give the audience exactly the full feel for what doctors were taught when you were speaking.

[00:06:48] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:06:48] So unfortunately, the expectrum of autoimmunity is multifactorial. We usually think of it as both genetic and starting with genetic predisposition to having [00:07:00] disease and then progressing on through a complex interplay of factors environmental toxin exposure personal or emotional stressors illness or infection.

[00:07:14] In fact most autoimmune diseases if we're. We talking about the creation of antibodies. Sells the most autoimmune diseases start with some degree of or at some point encounter some some sort of infectious cause and we've seen relationships between rheumatoid arthritis and and periodontal disease and this is an infectious component.

[00:07:38] We've seen klebsiella related to patients with MS. And so these are or are herpes virus related to patients with MS. So most of these have some sort of immune component or infectious component to them that sort of a secondary trigger. So they start with the in exposures that we have all of us in our environment and then they become either because of a sudden [00:08:00] Terry life or you're not removing toxins adequately or because of exposure to an illness and some sort of infection.

[00:08:07] There's this trigger of this. Auto amplification of autoimmunity where it begins as just a normal process that supposed to save your body or help yourselves respond appropriately to trauma or infection. It becomes a place where you instead your body becomes begins to continue to do that inappropriately despite the fact that either the original trigger is resolved or the.

[00:08:39] Because of the storm of chemicals that goes on so patients are experiencing this this chemical storm of and I heard Becca talked about it a couple weeks ago tnf-alpha and il-6 and all of these inflammatory chemicals that get produced appropriately probably initially now, they're being produced in an excessive Manner and [00:09:00] continuing to create maybe from what used to be a small knightess.

[00:09:04] Now, it involves not only your left knee but your entire body.

[00:09:08] Carl Lanore: [00:09:08] And.  just as a tangential question to this isn't it a bad idea for someone who has any type of autoimmunity to take anything that boasts itself as an immune booster. I tend to think of if your immune system is attacking you. Why do you want to make it stronger or am I off base on this?

[00:09:32] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:09:32] So it that's a more complicated question than yes or no. It depends on what's in that immune booster and what they're trying to accomplish. It's kind of the reason why I like peptides because you really can focus. I know that this does this. Pathway attacks this pathway or affects the the production of these inflammatory cells or chemicals.

[00:09:54] And so I know this is going to do what we need for you as opposed to as [00:10:00] opposed to not really knowing what we're dealing with. Immune booster but you're correct. You there are several even peptides. You have to be careful with LL 37 is a perfect example. It's a great there's some great protocols for treating Lyme disease with Ella 37 and say pore-forming.

[00:10:17] So it forms a poor in a hole in the wall of the cell allowing other things to get in but if you give this to someone we know that LL 37 is naturally produced by patients, but if they if you give this to someone. Psoriasis for example, they already create quite a bit of LL 37 and it's part of their disease process.

[00:10:37] So you really do have to be cautious also in general when you're treating patients even even treating bodybuilders. If they have a component of inflammation that is present to begin with you really want to call them that that inflammatory storm before you begin things like growth hormone [00:11:00] or even CJC a femoral line or the lr3.

[00:11:04] You have to be careful with those because if you're up regulating the production the biogenesis of mitochondria and or the function of those mitochondria, they're creating reactive oxygen species. Are doing more damage. If you start there, if instead you call me inflammatory storm first, then you can add those on and that amount of reactive oxygen species that you naturally create through the use of mitochondria isn't going to be a problem for you

[00:11:33] Carl Lanore: [00:11:33] what percentage of people who walk in your door with autoimmunity have obvious easily identifiable gut problems.

[00:11:42] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:11:42] I would say 90%. Right 90% for sure and you have to be that none of this is going to work if we're not working on that there. That's one of the reasons why I like PPC 157 because you can it works to start on getting patients guts healed. So [00:12:00] that's one of my original go to use with most of my patients is starting their there's so much research in that using a treating ulcerative colitis Crohn's disease.

[00:12:10] Peptic ulcer disease any of those intestinal inflammatory diseases even sibo you can get some benefit in patients with those inflammatory intestinal diseases if we can calm down that primary immune system. We know we can calm down the rest of their body and begin to do things to improve their overall function, but you can't do that until you calm that down first.

[00:12:35] So it does require all the things you have to do you have to eat, right? You're if you're putting sugar and and wheat and maybe Dairy maybe soy depending on the patient. If you're putting those inflammatory things in your body, you're continuing to sort of pour water into the tub that's draining out the side.

[00:12:53] It doesn't really help until you shut that tub off. Then you can start cleaning things up.

[00:12:58] Carl Lanore: [00:12:58] Very interesting. So [00:13:00] let's go ahead and start moving into the peptides that find their way into your practice the ones that you see on most valuable when treating autoimmunity. And and and how they're used in conjunction and Dost and so on.

[00:13:13] Let's talk later. 

[00:13:15] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:13:15] So most of my patients in that that I would describe like this if if we're not talking about the diabetes patient, right we're talking about what we talked about before Crohn's disease other inflammatory conditions. I'm going to probably start with them using a thymosin and or PPC 157

[00:13:34] Carl Lanore: [00:13:34] now we talked about alpha 1 or beta.

[00:13:37] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:13:37] So I'm going to start with alpha 1 if I can do all three I'm going to do all three depending on the page of these are expensive as we've talked about. And so if you if you start with all three you're talking about a big big hit but it's going to be very effective. If you start with all three most of my patients because they are multiple chemical sensitivity.

[00:13:59] I'm going to [00:14:00] start with very low probably half the dose that I would normally use on an average patient. And I'm going to start with one thing at a time. So typically I'm going to start with thymosin alpha 1 because I know I can calm down there and use storm using that we're going to decrease their inflammatory chemicals.

[00:14:17] We're going to get there. We're going to get there their dendrites and and monocytes to stop being this Henny Penny. The sky is falling chemicals. We're going to get there there Barking Dog innate immune system to calm down and you know come inside and hang out and then we can begin to add other things on I can begin to address their their intestines.

[00:14:44] I can begin to dress everything else. So I would start with most patients with the thymus are

[00:14:49] Carl Lanore: [00:14:49] powerful one. Okay,

[00:14:50] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:14:50] right and depending on the patient. I'm going to start its depending on the patient. I'm going to start anywhere from point 2 5 [00:15:00] 2 point 5 or 25 to 50 units on the insulin syringe

[00:15:03] Carl Lanore: [00:15:03] now that that's coming from TaylorMade Pharmacy.

[00:15:06] It's already reconstituted. Do you have any idea? How many micrograms like I remember when we first talked about Thomason alpha 1 a couple years ago on the show. It was recommended take one and a half milligrams every third day if you were fighting a viral infection. 

[00:15:24] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:15:24] In fact, if you're actively fighting a viral infection, I would take it one and a half.

[00:15:30] Every day to twice a day, that's the research with the especially with the influenza is twice a day for five days and you should see a big epic drop in your symptom.

[00:15:41] Carl Lanore: [00:15:41] We had a so there was someone who listen to my show and thymosin alpha 1 and and he had a bad case of herpes zoster breakout on his face and in his mouth and the doctor said it was moving towards his eye and he could lose his eye.

[00:15:56] And I told him about thymosin alpha 1 [00:16:00] he took one and a half milligrams 3 days in a row and it resolved itself in under a week. And he said usually when he had those attacks, they lasted months

[00:16:09] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:16:09] when we treat what with the research shows if you even treating animals, we don't see a lethal dose. You can give them tons and tons and tons and there's no side effects and there's no lethal dose with with thymosin Alpha 1.

[00:16:21] So I feel very safe giving high doses. We we use it in mental in stroke patients or traumatic brain injury patients in much higher Doses and we can give it an ID. So these are these are very safe to give even at high doses.

[00:16:37] Carl Lanore: [00:16:37] Okay, so beta of thymosin alpha 1 B PC 157 obviously is a great player in anything gut related.

[00:16:46] And so you would have your patients take that on a daily basis. At a prescribed dose and how long before those two start to show any signs of [00:17:00] quelling the autoimmune.

[00:17:01] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:17:01] So it can be as quick as a week. We have an Ankylosing Spondylitis patient who's gotten significant Improvement in her pain within a week, but it does sometimes take six to eight weeks for us to see a benefit and so I'll usually start one wait a couple weeks.

[00:17:15] I'll start a second one. Like I'll start by my son off of one wait a couple weeks. I'll start VPC 157 most of the time they'll have a side effect by that time just because these are multiple chemical sensitivity. Average person is not going to have a side effect, but they'll have a local swelling or irritation.

[00:17:33] I'll drop back drop the dose proceed again increasing the dose over time and then we'll add in something like Simonson beta for so TV for I love for lots of reasons for myself or for weightlifting but also for my patients, I love it because they this is TV for is like the toy box of the train.

[00:17:53] Pieces of train toy train and so if you want nutrients and cells [00:18:00] healing and an end other and chemicals and protein signaling proteins to come to your area of damage or disease. You have to have a mechanism for them to move and so key before is a g act and sequestering meaning it holds onto those pieces of train track for you to use when you need them.

[00:18:22] Otherwise, they're dispersed and reuse as something else. But if you if you have TB for around it holds them in place so you can lay down those train tracks to get things quickly back and forth even mitochondria to create energy for the process of healing requires G actin train tracks to be set so.

[00:18:41] It has a lot of other signaling properties TV for does and and healing by its signalling properties but its main function is in laying that groundwork for transportation of necessary nutrients and proteins and mitochondria

[00:18:57] Carl Lanore: [00:18:57] now is T be forgiven [00:19:00] also in low chronic doses or is that something that you go in with a couple big doses and back out?

[00:19:06] I see a lot of different discussion on different protocols.

[00:19:10] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:19:10] So I will do I will do have a pretty high dose the first dose and then I'm probably going to do it for about six weeks again depends on what I'm treating. So I have a patient right now that I'm treating with who has some degenerative.

[00:19:24] These very young man had some fairly significant physical and emotional trauma a few years ago and is struggling so I am giving him a six-week rotation of several no Tropics including TV for started with a fairly high dose of TV for and then I'm switching over for him to serve your license and then I'll use die hexa and then.

[00:19:48] Maybe have a talent or vsip or see Max and I'm you doing sort of every six weeks for a vacation with those with a baseline for him of ta 1 and T and B PC [00:20:00] 157. Once he was on those for a little bit. I added CJC at the Moorland to increase as mitochondrial function and then we started this six weeks cycling.

[00:20:09] So for every patients a little bit different,

[00:20:11] Carl Lanore: [00:20:11] okay, and there's questions coming up. We will get them giulio. We're going to talk about Lyme. And just a moment sit tight. I used a 400 mg of dialects of this morning because I've given up caffeine and I got to tell you I feel that stuff when I use it.

[00:20:26] It's amazing.

[00:20:28] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:20:28] So interesting rub it

[00:20:29] Carl Lanore: [00:20:29] on my rub it on my neck and literally like a couple of minutes later. I'm like, oh, why do I feel like I've just had coffee.  So, okay, so.  the. The leaky gut thing right and you know, a lot of people in the in the medical office doxy still I had a doctor say to me there's no such thing as leaky gut I says what's GERD and he looked at me said what?

[00:20:56] Well what's gerd I says gerd is your food is coming back up [00:21:00] into your esophagus right as in your gut leaking at that point and so he and I get this I think it's humorous that oh, no the gut just can't leak and that's just nonsense. Rounding back to the question about gut problems in this population of people are there other things that you do for the gut specifically to help it kind of re-establish or create a more fertile soil for the things that you're hoping to happen with the peptides.

[00:21:31] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:21:31] Well for non peptide, I'm a huge fan. I don't use a lot of probiotics. I try to recommend people use food. Yeah, but I'm a big fan of using Prebiotic starch. So I like King Arthur. I like there's several other good brands, but I like using Prebiotic fiber May pick if I can get patients to do chia and flax seeds.

[00:21:52] That's a great way to get them things that their intestinal bugs. Love to eat. I treat them like stray cat. So if you don't aren't feeding them what they want [00:22:00] to eat they were going to run away. They're not going to hang around and if you want them to stay around you got to feed them fiber, which is what they love

[00:22:07] Carl Lanore: [00:22:07] doctor

[00:22:07] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:22:07] God.

[00:22:08] Carl Lanore: [00:22:08] I'm sorry good

[00:22:09] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:22:09] that fiber is going to create the when the bugs eat it. They're going to create butyrate which is the primary fuel for your colon cells. So you could eat avocado and butter and get your butyrate, which is my favorite way to get butyrate, but I also need to feed know that I need to feed my intestinal bug.

[00:22:27] And so I do that with with fiber various fiber sources

[00:22:31] Carl Lanore: [00:22:31] doctor status Ralph came on my show a couple years ago. He published that study that blew up the internet about lactic acidosis from sibo brain fog aches in the muscle soreness weakness and a lot and so when I had them on the show, I said what do you attribute this this this modern-day explosion of sibo?

[00:22:54] And he said well, you know, it's really hard to say. I just what about the everybody's taking probiotics [00:23:00] willy-nilly I mean I was taking vsl number 3 900 billion cfu a day I gave myself see. I'm feeling I did and so, you know, we I'm with you when you said well, I'm not a real big. I think that we are going to look back a decade from now go man.

[00:23:16] Did we get the whole probiotic thing wrong? Because we were literally seeding the small intestine. So

[00:23:24] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:23:24] there's one called there's one that uses vegetable. Fibers as the fermentation Source I like that one quite a bit. I if I'm going to recommend a probiotic I recommend that one but it's pretty rare anymore that I recommend probiotics for patients.

[00:23:39] Carl Lanore: [00:23:39] Yeah. Yeah get it from kimchi. Kimchi is a good source sauerkraut that doesn't have sodium benzoate in it to kill the microbes as a good source. So Julia Julio. Give Aria hope I pronounce that right says any peptides that work for lime. So you and I talked off the air Lyme disease kind of has some of the Hallmarks of [00:24:00] autoimmunity as well.

[00:24:01] And when you think about it, it is a form of autoimmunity because initially the tick lays its whatever in you and your immune system goes after but then all of a sudden your immune system goes. Oh. That tissue in your joints look similar. Let's go after that and that tissue and in the muscle nerve and all of a sudden it just starts attacking the entire body.

[00:24:21] Is that is that a dumbed-down explanation of Lyme disease?

[00:24:26] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:24:26] It's a brilliant explanation. The the problem with Lyme disease is it's an intracellular that it's an Interstellar bug. So it's going to hide from your immune system and it takes over the Machinery of your immune system and prevent it from seeing it.

[00:24:43] So there are sort of flags on the outside of our cells that will alert the immune system that something is there Lyme disease prevents those flags from being posted. And so one of the things I love about t that ta one is it per it reverses that it goes back [00:25:00] and presents those those flags again. It does that for cancer cells to or we've seen in research.

[00:25:05] It does that for cancer cells to? It allows the cancer cells will also take over the machinery for alerting the immune system that there's a concern and so so we've seen in at least in cell culture and animal research that we can increase that production of the hey, there's a problem here flag if we use things like ta one of those page.

[00:25:28] Carl Lanore: [00:25:28] So let me put this question of by Jeff Clifton. How can a person get a Bedrock of understanding for peptides? We're going to come out with something. I promise you. I've been working in behind the scenes but more importantly.  His next portion of his question is about health care providers and why our doctor why are doctors reluctant to prescribe?

[00:25:49] No, they're not they're just not educated. So if you have a physician that you like. And you don't want to start going to someone else who's clearly on the bleeding edge of some of this stuff [00:26:00] send them to peptide society-dot- org was a.com peptide society-dot- org and have them join the international peptide Society where they can be trained to prescribe peptides that the information is out there.

[00:26:14] The average doctor isn't interested in this the average doctor that's you know, just presents prescribing blood pressure meds and Metformin is his patience and just going through the routine day mundane lie, they're not interested in this but if there's a doctor that you know, that's like I'd like to know more tell them to join International peptide society and get educated to.

[00:26:36] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:26:36] It's and it's a long, you know learning when we're talking about doctors being in their busy practices seeing 30 or 40 patients a day and then going at home and working three or four hours to finish charts and laughs. They don't have time to learn about this and so it really requires taking a step back and realize that your patients aren't doing better.

[00:26:56] So what do you need to do to be sure that your patients are doing better and how [00:27:00] do you get those patients moving in the right direction?

[00:27:04] Carl Lanore: [00:27:04] You know what? We have to take a break anyway, and then we have a question from Melissa and when we come back, we're having all sorts of technical difficulties, but here comes dr.

[00:27:13] Turner. Okay, we're back. We're back. This is great. This is great. You're fast. Dr. Turner very very fast on the gun. I appreciate that. Thank you very much. We have a question from Melissa Ann. She says what peptides are good for candida. So before you answer that question is. II starting to think that everybody is being told that they have candida and and in fact they may I think candida is one of the culprits associated with protecting children from getting asthma if I remember correctly.

[00:27:50] But if they have too much then it's a problem. So talk about candida kind of topically about your opinion of it. And then are there any peptides that are good if someone [00:28:00] is has.

[00:28:02] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:28:02] So we have to remember that that that candida is a normal bug that lives in our intestines in some to some degree. It's not going to be around.

[00:28:12] To a high degree. The problem is you've allowed overgrowth of that usually by antibiotic use recurrent you antibiotic use or by if you're under a particular amount of stress. Now your cortisol has caused that sort of. Increased inflammation and the wall of the the intestine those bugs love that and so the Cantina will over grow in response to that situation.

[00:28:36] So if you're eating too much sugar if you are and I'm talking not about fruits and vegetables. I'm talking about sugar, right? If you're doing that or alcohol we forget about that being a big contributor. So if you're doing that probably you do have an overgrowth of candida. The problem with with treating candida is you can't treat the candido you've got to replace.

[00:28:58] The things that are missing [00:29:00] and so we have to go back to Healing the gut lining and replacing the things that are missing. So again, I'm going to say I'm going to say getting those patients to eat properly as probably number one working on their emotional situation, whatever that's situation is getting them to set better boundaries with people or work in their lives.

[00:29:22] And then we're going to probably have them there. They're going to start working on. I've got I might start with with doing something like Prebiotic fiber trying to get their intestinal bugs to stay around you're eating it as you whatever you eat throughout the day. So I'm trying to get those good intestinal bucks to stay around.

[00:29:40] You got to give them food. They like which is Prebiotic fiber, you know, the goal is 35 grams a day if you're not taking in 35 grams a day as a woman. 45 is a man sometimes then you're probably not getting enough and they're easy sources any crunchy vegetable Chia and flax seeds raspberries [00:30:00] the fuzzy shell on a kiwi.

[00:30:01] You can throw that in your smoothie in the morning. All of those are great sources and there's a lot that are available powdered.

[00:30:07] Carl Lanore: [00:30:07] Yeah, but I think I'm with you on the natural food sources. I think that's the best that's we evolved to. All right, eat the foods and extrapolate the benefits from it through digestion.

[00:30:18] What we do know there was a study done about five years ago that showed a cellular carbohydrates, which is basically what you call flower any kind of flower a cellular carbohydrates promote feeding bad bugs in the gut. Because if you would have eaten that stuff as a whole kernel you would have digested it completely differently than when it's been pulverized into what a cellular form and it just can actually be digested in inside the stomach itself still before it gets Downstream where it was originally designed.

[00:30:54] To be digested one

[00:30:55] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:30:55] and here's one of the problems if you begin a lot of dietitians and other Physicians will [00:31:00] tell you if you have candida they will tell you that you need to cut out every single carbohydrate from your diet. Well, here's the problem if you cut out your carbohydrates again, I feel like I'm repeating myself.

[00:31:11] You're not feeding those stray cats that you want to stay there. They want to eat that Prebiotic fiber and they need to create that butyrate which is the fuel for colon cells. So if you are cutting out every single carbohydrate from your diet, you're really restricting your ability to heal from that candida in the first place.

[00:31:33] Carl Lanore: [00:31:33] And there's another I just like to comment a little bit more on that line the things that live in our gut are highly evolved in fact if you look at. Their relationship with us. It's almost like we serve them right they needed legs to carry them. They needed a mouth to pulverize things. They needed hands to reach and grab them things.

[00:31:54] And so we are hosting them and they're highly evolved so [00:32:00] I know people who went keto and they said oh, oh my God problems went away. Well temporarily because those microbes become spores. They go into a state of suspended animation. Fungi can go into a state of suspended animation viruses. We now go into suspended animation.

[00:32:17] You can have a viral bug on a countertop six weeks and it's just sitting there waiting for something to pick it up and revive it. These are highly when something can go into suspended animation. This is a level of evolution that we don't have think about that. And so when you stop eating foods that cause the problems you do get relief, But that's just because they're patiently waiting for you to go back and eat those Foods again.

[00:32:46] So this is why you have to eradicate them whether it's with peptides or other things were going to talk more about what I'd like to do is I like to take a break first. I want to plug your your practice. So people listening to the show right now. If you live within driving distance of [00:33:00] Georgia, your practice is located.

[00:33:02] Where

[00:33:03] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:33:03] in Roswell Georgia. I mean, I'm about 20 minutes north of Atlanta.

[00:33:07] Carl Lanore: [00:33:07] Okay. Do you do telemedicine?

[00:33:10] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:33:10] I do

[00:33:12] Carl Lanore: [00:33:12] there's someone have to come to your practice one time in person first.

[00:33:15] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:33:15] I think it's the best. I feel like I can get a better idea of what's happening if I see them. Yeah,

[00:33:22] Carl Lanore: [00:33:22] okay, and how can people find you if they want to reach out to you and come see you

[00:33:27] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:33:27] our website is www.pevs.com medical.com.

[00:33:32] And our phone number is 404 446.

[00:33:37] Carl Lanore: [00:33:37] We're going to take a quick commercial break when we come back. I'd like you to talk about some of the cases you've treated and the results that you're seeing using peptides for autoimmunity. Okay? I stay tuned. We'll be right back with more of the pep talk.

[00:33:58] Welcome back. Looks like you know today [00:34:00] we've been barraged with technical difficulties. Somebody just posted this a hot mic. I checked all the mics they're closed. I don't know what it is. Okay, let's talk about some of your success stories and and and then we have more questions will answer for lots of people especially about mold.

[00:34:17] Okay? Okay. Okay. So talk about some of your success.

[00:34:21] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:34:21] So probably there's I've several. Of course. They're one of my favorites is the patient with crohn's disease who is only 25 years old and she's been she got restricted down to a broth and yogurt diet only. She was really she's been through everything and we treated her with Naltrexone and glutamine and a low.

[00:34:41] Marshmallow root and age frog extract and multiple Myers cocktails and she's been on colostrum and then we switched over to the SBI protect and we put our. Balance your hormones we did she was in quite a regimen of intestinal barrier repair and attempts and she [00:35:00] had very little response to that.

[00:35:02] She'd we were not the first provider she'd seen either so she had quite a bit and we put her she was at this point. She'd gone to GI and was on high-dose steroids. Probably 75 milligrams a day of steroids at 25 years old. So she's already risking osteoporosis and tendon and destruction that sort of thing.

[00:35:22] So it's pretty pretty sad. So anyway, she comes to us with that history and we put her on bbc1 57 starter at 1500 add a capsule form and over about six weeks. She began to be able to. Withdraw her steroids, so we dropped her down to 500 milligrams of the BBC 157 everyday. This is a patient. I just treated with PPC because clearly she has multiple allergies multiple chemical sensitivities.

[00:35:52] So I just put her on bbc1 57 alone. We did that for about six weeks. We dropped her down to 500 from [00:36:00] 1500 and she's been able to almost completely come off. I think she's now on two milligrams of Prednisone for slowly leaning her down with the approval of her gastroenterologist to whose of course aghast at what were able to accomplish and it's been it's been great.

[00:36:16] So we're real excited with her. She's been able to add more Foods back to her diet. Some her first ones you added back was was broccoli. So she's getting that Prebiotic fiber and she's doing much better. Now. She's significantly improved. This has been we started her in January. So we're now in September and she's down to about 2 milligrams from 75 milligrams of steroids

[00:36:38] Carl Lanore: [00:36:38] interesting.

[00:36:40] You know, what I found increases mucosal barrier production. It's very counterintuitive. Basic baiting hydrochloride hydrochloric acid by lowering the pH of the gut the guts thoughts to produce more mucus to protect the lining of the gut and and the in the reason I think that's [00:37:00] interesting is because I've been looking at gut problems for a long time now and because I believe I even think obstructive sleep apnea starts in the gut and then the the esophagus becomes inflamed and the windpipe becomes narrowed and.

[00:37:14] But.  I think that a lot of the problems we have today. I've even found certain artificial sweeteners that that will raise the pH of the gut therefore lowering the acidity of the gut. I have a feeling that we do things in today's society, maybe chemicals that are in our food.  That almost act like proton pump inhibitors.

[00:37:38] Right and they had so they shut down the hydrochloric acid this little the hydrochloric acid in your stomach is the gate keeper of keeping microbes from getting into the small intestine and taking seed. So the pH changes in the gut the opportunistic microbes thought to build homes in the [00:38:00] small intestine and they happen to also have an interesting characteristic that is.

[00:38:06] They turn proton pumps off to protect their environment. They turn the acid in the gut down and slowly the mucosal barrier starts to just disappear when you introduce and you have to do this in between meals people like oh I take no an hour after a meal see what you can tolerate 1,800 milligrams 3,000 milligrams, whatever.

[00:38:28] It may be. It's only $1,000 take some bait hydrochloride. Not a lot of water just a little bit of water. And just watch what happens if you're one of these people who belches four hours after the meal you'll stop belching as soon as you take that because the undigested food that says hanging around will become digested and motility will kick in and it'll move along but when you do that, you'll also find that the mucosal barrier of your stomach starts up regulating.

[00:38:56] And I think that's counterintuitive. It's so interesting

[00:38:59] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:38:59] or you can eat [00:39:00] smaller meals.

[00:39:01] Carl Lanore: [00:39:01] Yeah, or even vinegar probably works as well.

[00:39:04] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:39:04] Exactly.

[00:39:05] Carl Lanore: [00:39:05] I can't eat a small meal. I don't I just decided this is not in my vocabulary. If you I think

[00:39:10] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:39:10] that's one of the things we do in our society to is eating larger meals that yes.

[00:39:15] Carl Lanore: [00:39:15] Yeah. We just push too much down. Okay, what other interesting so how about have you worked with anybody with fibromyalgia? That's a big thing for women today?

[00:39:26] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:39:26] So with fibromyalgia is sort of a different process and you're still talking about this inflammasome this inflammatory problem and talking about the signaling to the brain.

[00:39:35] So when you're talking about that kind of patient, I might even go use something like pentas and Polly sulfate. But again, I'm always with these patients going to start using something either key before or I'm sorry ta1 or because you want to have seven. I'm either going to start with one of those because I want that inflammatory process to calm down.

[00:39:54] And then I'm going to move on to using something in that case like pentas and probably sulfate to [00:40:00] get them to have to decrease their pain receptors going to the rain in those cases. There's actually some interesting research on using aod in pain control. And so you may be able to get away with doing three or four doses a day of Ard in those patients.

[00:40:14] Instead of using pentos and to get there to get there pain under control,

[00:40:19] Carl Lanore: [00:40:19] you know, it's interesting aod 9604 came on the scene about 15 years ago as a lie political the problem was you had it injected three or four times a day to see any real results, but now it's become so much more than just a lie political.

[00:40:33] It's really an amazing fragment for pain management to protect soft tissue. Inflammatory help to make a create a more healthy resolving inflammatory response. What about what about melanotan to I know a lot of people don't want to be tan, but doesn't Milano tend to have some really powerful and interesting properties as an [00:41:00] anti-inflammatory when we're dealing with chronic inflammation.

[00:41:04] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:41:04] It sure does and I'll tell you in a minute about my case with my with using AI DHA in my patient with avascular necrosis, which is we think an inflammatory response as well. But regarding melanotan, it's a great molecule. And in fact, it would be one of my it would be in my pre my first armamentarium if it wasn't for the tanning.

[00:41:25] Benefits side effect depending on who you are the problem. Of course, some people don't want to get that tanning. And so if you do want that tanning, that's great. And so it's wonderful to use its involved in this if you it's easy to find any literature on this the anti-inflammatory cholinergic anti inflammatory pathway.

[00:41:45] This is involving the vagus nerve. It starts with what you were mentioning a minute ago. The alkalyn too acidic conversion in the stomach. So starting with alkaline going to acidic. It's why we eat our salads first [00:42:00] that conversion from avilan to acidity. Can stimulate the active and nicotinic receptors in the spleen which then goes via the vagus nerve stimulating the brain so now we have the monocyte or inflammatory cells those nighttime barking dogs in the brain that are calming down instead of being Henny Penny and spewing out inflammatory chemicals on my gosh.

[00:42:25] The sky is falling they become this very calm. Janitor the same exact cell can can become one or the other. Depending on the milieu in which it finds itself. And so this when it becomes the janitor, it takes the trash out it helps especially in the brain helps with removing inflammatory chemicals and toxins from the brain.

[00:42:46] And so we love melanotan because that's one of its major effects. Is this cholinergic anti inflammatory pathway calming down the immune system in general

[00:42:56] Carl Lanore: [00:42:56] interesting. We have some questions were going to go run through so Jeff Robinson, [00:43:00] and then he has another one we corrects his spell. Wood with I'm yulin, or thigh Mullen be beneficial peptide for those with cirs isn't cirs a chronic mold.

[00:43:15] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:43:15] Yes, exactly. And so you still have to go through all the pathways treating mold that you would normally do things like binders and other anti-inflammatories, but most of the time they're going to require you to start with something that's going to dampen your immune system. Most mold Physicians will start with something like.

[00:43:34] Those resolving mediators that you get from fish oil or they'll start with fish oil or their start with P Igloo to Zone. You'll start with all of those at the beginning you could use ta1 as that same factor with bringing down inflammation before you start with the binding and so that's probably where I would start is give them put them on a pathway to getting calm their information calm down and then start them on the pathway of removing the toxins.

[00:44:00] [00:44:00] You have to get out of exposure. This is the problem, you know, in order to get out of exposure. Most people either have to move or change jobs

[00:44:07] Carl Lanore: [00:44:07] your hat right

[00:44:08] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:44:08] remodeling it

[00:44:08] Carl Lanore: [00:44:08] but you know what but in all honesty, sometimes it's just changing your lifestyle in the foods that you eat really?

[00:44:13] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:44:13] It can be.

[00:44:14] Carl Lanore: [00:44:14] Yeah, I mean a lot of people have you thought to pay attention to the food you eat, you'll find out there's lots of insulting things in the food that you're eating

[00:44:21] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:44:21] exactly especially in blue cheese. Mmmm.

[00:44:23] Carl Lanore: [00:44:23] I love blue cheese two Gorgons all I'm Italian. So we like Gorgonzola cheese. So, excuse me.

[00:44:31] Emma is out. Here's the next question. I'm sorry. Is there a peptide protocol that you've used with patients exposed to toxic mold and active mold in their system. I guess this is kind of a duplicate question of that and really what you just said answers that but what about LL 3 7 so the first time I ran LL so I had foot surgery and when I came out of the foot surgery, I had a toenail mold one of my a couple of my toes.

[00:44:57] And they want the me to take a pill [00:45:00] for like a year to go to and I thought this is stupid. I'm not going to do that. Right but I just happened to her. I just happen to do LL 3 7. I'm sorry. I just have to do LL 3 7 for other reasons and that mold went away.

[00:45:13] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:45:13] So the one of the one of the confusions with mold is that that you actually have the mold in your system in your case.

[00:45:20] You'd probably have some sort of toenail fungus. But when you're talking about the inflammatory system that's involved involved. We're not talking about mold necessarily living in your body. We're talking about your immune response to those mold toxins. So the brain effects on the intestinal effects and the joint effects are all related to the tops and that mold produces.

[00:45:42] It might be sitting across the room. But if it's spewing out that mold

[00:45:46] Carl Lanore: [00:45:46] toxicity, that's so interesting. So it's not inhabiting you you're just being exposed to it. You

[00:45:51] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:45:51] got it. You got it. And some people are allergic to mold and that's a different category of disease. But if you're specifically talking about [00:46:00] sirs, The Chronic inflammatory response syndrome, there's a cacophony of peptides that we use so I'm a fan of the RG3 nasal spray.

[00:46:08] I really like the VIP you have to use that later in the treatment plan for you really need a mold specialist who knows how to stepwise treat you and you got to remove your.

[00:46:21] Carl Lanore: [00:46:21] Oh, by the way, I wanted to mention metagenic makes a great product called SPM actives, which is just the the inflammation resolving mediators that are in fish oil great stuff.

[00:46:33] Are you familiar with it?

[00:46:34] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:46:34] It is I am it's expensive. But yes,

[00:46:36] Carl Lanore: [00:46:36] yeah, it's well worth it. Let's see here. So this is a melanotan question. Have you ever used melanotan to raise Alpha msh for chronic? Lyme and mold.

[00:46:47] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:46:47] Absolutely. It's a later stage treatment. It's later in the treatment again, you have to remove the mold first, which most people aren't willing to do or unable to do and then you have to remove the mold toxin with some [00:47:00] sort of binder and it takes three months or so you can be doing things like like ti1 BBC 157 RG3 in the meantime because those are all anti-inflammatories that are going to help your brain, but you have to be careful when you get to you if you really don't want to treat that.

[00:47:18] Atlanta fight stimulating hormone until the end of your treatment. You don't want to raise that right away. You want to use the other inflammatory module layers first and you'll use that if you use VIP your melanocytes familiar hormone will go up and your VIP should be low if you have servers or most the time is low if you have servers

[00:47:38] Carl Lanore: [00:47:38] interesting very very interesting.

[00:47:41] Let's see. The next question is. I've had some luck with okra pepsin. I don't think my standard process. Is there a do you have an opinion on it as a gut healing tool?

[00:47:55] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:47:55] It's going back to exactly what Carla's saying before. So the okra is mucin, which is [00:48:00] the same things that's in a low and that slimy stuff that no one likes to eat is that then okra is the same stuff and so it goes into the intestine helps create that lining back again.

[00:48:11] Absolutely. I do think standard process things have a little bit low dose but most often people don't need a huge dose. Especially our multiple chemical sensitivity. You might respond to a very small dose, but that has the I'm not sure if it has became in it or not. I think that product has betaine I can't remember if it has just the digestive enzyme pepsin, which is a little bit limited.

[00:48:33] You need a little bit broader Spectrum digestive enzymes if you're going to use them for inflammation.

[00:48:38] Carl Lanore: [00:48:38] So I did a show. I'm trying to recall what it was but it was with a gastroenterologist and and during the show. It was mentioned that when you fast especially for like intermittent fasting long fast, 16 hours the body seems to move a lot of toxins into the gut and [00:49:00] that there's an opportunity to take like micronized charcoal.

[00:49:05] Yes, and with a little water swallow it and that will actually bind to things in the gut that you want it to carry out of the body any truth to that.

[00:49:15] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:49:15] You can use bentonite clay, you can use Piru file a class. I think that the biosign people make that one. There are several binders that you can use the one that has the most binding sites is the as the cholestyramine powder.

[00:49:32] It tastes awful and but it is available and it's got sugar in it. So you're kind of little counterproductive if you're you can get it compounded but that's also another the compounding one is more expensive.

[00:49:44] Carl Lanore: [00:49:44] I'm gonna go ahead and answer this question. Yes, this this video will be on Facebook. For ever at the supremum radio network page so someone can come back later and watch it as a replay if they choose to and then of course, if you go to suping Radio dotnet, [00:50:00] you can listen to the audio portion of this as a podcast.

[00:50:05] Let's see, I think that's it. I think that's all the questions we have right now. I want to take all last commercial break and then we'll kind of wrap up the interview, okay. Okay, I sit tight. We'll be right back. I tried maybe we feel good.  Doing reps with the weight of the world. I like that one the best.

[00:50:22] Alright. So first of all, we got a couple kudos to put up. Jeff Robinson says great information. Jeff Clifton says great show Bravo. Jeff Robinson has a question. He says has your clinic looked into any of the peptide bio regulators. By dr. Caverns and I think he's probably talking about those die and tripeptides like penal on and a battalion and stuff like that.

[00:50:44] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:50:44] Absolutely. So so there they have such great research all of the research that was done then was done out of the company that are the group that makes them so that's a little suspect to me. Of course. The research is really impressive though, you know with [00:51:00] improving telomere length. Improving longevity, so it's hard to pass up the idea of doing it that the treatment is only twice a year short short term a quick course of injections.

[00:51:12] And you do twice a year. There is we use them for patients who have jet lag or patients who have migraines. I'll use them in a combination. With some other peptides to get rid of migraines or jet lag. So they're available. I have a few patients who have slept really well using a very small dose of the Epi Talent particularly.

[00:51:33] So absolutely

[00:51:35] Carl Lanore: [00:51:35] I did that whole protocol 20 milligrams a day for 10 days.

[00:51:40] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:51:40] What did you notice?

[00:51:43] Carl Lanore: [00:51:43] I think I was a little less stupid now McKinney. I don't know, you know what this morning we were talking about breakfast about several things and I am I am a very extreme person and so it's hard for me to tell what's working because I'm usually doing a [00:52:00] dozen things at one time, but when I was on the bodybuilding forums my avatar, Under my avatar.

[00:52:09] It said 250-pound wished our rat. That's how I saw myself. I am the original test dummy. So Jeff Clifton said something I want to share something with you as well.  He says your viewership goes way up every time you talk about the gut. So AARP did a study a couple years ago and they came back.

[00:52:29] That's it. 76 percent of people surveyed claimed to have some sort of gut issue.

[00:52:36] We have people out there like Larry the Cable Guy telling people when the food you don't like don't like you take Nexium. No, man, that's a bad idea when the food you like don't like you don't eat those Foods because you are giving yourself diseases. I just talked about this a few days ago. I was at the gym the other day.

[00:52:55] I saw a girl who's got. Popped out right [00:53:00] beneath her solar plexus and went back in right above her pelvic bone and I thought for sure she was pregnant and then talking to a friend of mine who knows her as like how many months is she goes? If she's not pregnant the level of I see people that are very lean distended stomachs and I already know that this is inflammation from excuse me, the esophagus to the anus these people are so inflamed and that inflammation.

[00:53:28] Is leading to disease States 10 years from now all the people had to looking at Today's Show because they have autoimmunity issues need to be patient because while the symptoms may have crept up on a new over the course of a year the inner workings of developing this disorder have taken decade or decades in some cases.

[00:53:48] And and that's what you know, you can't be if you can't see that's what the pharmaceutical companies want. They want you to feel something quickly. So you'll take some crab drug that doesn't cure the problem, but it's [00:54:00] tantamount to just removing the battery from the smoke detector. The house is still on fire.

[00:54:04] And you have to be patient when it's the gut the gut takes time to get sick. It takes time to get well as well and I want to do more shows about the. Because I really believe that if we look at diseases in general.  And we and we take out type 2 diabetes and Insulin resistant. I would put that on the side.

[00:54:29] We look at this spectrum of other disorders that plague our population today. I guarantee you we can track them all back to your gut. 

[00:54:38] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:54:38] I would say diabetes would be included in that. 

[00:54:43] Carl Lanore: [00:54:43] Tell me more. What do you think about that?

[00:54:45] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:54:45] I think it's an inflammatory pathway. I think it's it's eating up mitochondrial function.

[00:54:52] I think our diet and our lifestyle eats up the mitochondrial function of the pancreatic cells, and that's why we end up with this insulin [00:55:00] resistance in the first place. 

[00:55:02] Carl Lanore: [00:55:02] Yeah, so just not an overburdening of the pancreas you're saying. Okay. Let's see what this next question is. Let me see if I can get.

[00:55:12] Any other peptides not mentioned that have found to be useful see like see Max every Talon TSI be those are more brain function, aren't they?

[00:55:21] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:55:21] Well, I was gonna say remember that most of the neurodegenerative diseases are Brain on Fire they are inflammation of the brain. And so if we're talking about treating the brain then we talk about ta one and BBC 157, you know, the research in rats about traumatic brain injury of about stroke.

[00:55:38] If you are if patients or if rats are on bbc1 257 before they have their stroke or their or their injury, absolutely I'd love you think see Max is he like in those patients? Because it's not an injection. So some people are resistant to the using injections, especially some of your dementia patients would be really resistant to using too many injections.

[00:55:57] But they might tolerate a nasal spray [00:56:00] once a day or twice a week, which is the typical protocol for those two and so we will use those in those patients. There's a lot of things we're going to use in those patients. I'm going to use die. Hexa because like you mentioned earlier today. The inflammatory process takes over the way the oligodendrocytes with Ms.

[00:56:18] Or with with dementia with the way those oligodendrocyte are able to make those axons long and branching and if we can't get them to function that way or to be that way then you're going to end up with those neurodegenerative diseases. So if we can decrease that inflammatory process and then add the neuro growth factors that are in things like cerebral Eisen or are die, hexa or even feeling like you're going to find that those those patients do much better because they're being properly stimulated

[00:56:51] Carl Lanore: [00:56:51] Loretta Ty says very interesting.

[00:56:53] Have you heard of MMS sodium chlorite mixed with hydrochloric acid for gut health.  [00:57:00] I have not. There's a lot of stuff out there this every day. I'm telling you gut peoples guts of such a big problem that there are products out there that we've never heard of because if you just can't keep up after a while.

[00:57:15] Now. Let's see here. We have another couple questions here. So Jason,  Let me see this. I'm having a hard time navigating my screen here. Jason Barco with vodka whiskey vodka whiskey, I hope I'm pronouncing it right. I'm sorry jay. When starting a peptide protocol like ta one along with PPC if you have to stop had to stop ta one protocol for a few days due to the prescription delayed from Pharmacy.

[00:57:44] Would it be better to wait until you have enough to complete the protocol or go ahead and start both to get the healing process started? 

[00:57:54] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:57:54] I would first of all say that depends on the patient. But I'm gonna always lean towards let's go ahead [00:58:00] and get you started because you're you're miserable. You're not coming to see me because you feel great.

[00:58:03] You're coming to see me because you don't feel well. So let's get the process started and we actually keep a lot of them in our office so that I can just hand it to you when you walk out the door and I'm usually going ahead and ordering another Supply when you leave the office for your next purchase because.

[00:58:21] Because you're going to need it, especially when we're doing a fairly High loading dose to begin with and then we're dropping down later. You're going to that hilar higher initial dose. You're going to need to replace the bottle quickly. So I'm starting you as quickly as I can. So I would suggest that you do go ahead and get started.

[00:58:39] I think I think you can't you probably can't go wrong with using BBC or ta one if you have an autoimmune disorder to start with. With you know, I can tell you story after story after patients doing well with those even just one of the two of them. 

[00:58:54] Carl Lanore: [00:58:54] How many of your patients start a protocol and an experienced [00:59:00] herxheimer and go something's wrong?

[00:59:01] I feel horrible. I feel like I've got the flu for the past couple days.

[00:59:05] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [00:59:05] So you can usually tell who that is patients are going to be that commonly will happen if you start them on something like LL 37 too early, but but you're going to usually know them ahead of time because they're going to be the patients who can't tolerate perfume smells.

[00:59:20] They can't they have a lot of food allergies they have where they go into a room and they can smell the mold in the room you're going to have these patients are going to be they're going to present to you as multiple chemical sensitivity. And those are the patients. Going to start half dose. I'll tell them what the full dose is and I start on half and I give them the flexibility to increase their dose over a certain number of days to weeks.

[00:59:44] I stay in pretty close contact with them. They off my cellphone. So

[00:59:48] Carl Lanore: [00:59:48] they're and her climber is a real thing. A lot of people think it's hooey. But some of the symptoms of herxheimer also, are you start to run a very low-grade temperature at night before bed? [01:00:00] You'll just feel lethargic you feel like people say I just feel like I'm coming down with something and and really what that is.

[01:00:08] Excuse me is from the rapid die-off. Your body is being hit with all of these toxins all at once that would have normally been pooped out slowly by these little culprits. Right,

[01:00:19] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [01:00:19] right. Yeah. Okay, so you're you're. It's the breakdown of the cell wall. So it's no longer an intact thing that your body recognizes them sort of knows how to manage now.

[01:00:33] You're talking about a wall that's been broken down and you're exposing your immune system to new things. Which is why you have to start with the immune modulating things first rather than starting with like I said, LL 37 or something that's going to be or even something simple like by side when you got to be careful about starting those things too high or starting them too early in the in the treatment progress.

[01:00:57] Carl Lanore: [01:00:57] So Jackie poem Noah says love you. [01:01:00] Dr. Kern are you that must be one of your patients?

[01:01:02] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [01:01:02] Hi Jackie? Yes,

[01:01:04] Carl Lanore: [01:01:04] wonderful. Wonderful. Have we missed anything? Dr. Turner?

[01:01:09] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [01:01:09] I would just say that the the treatment of the ability to use these in so many ways and in combinations is amazing. So things like using I have a patient with below-the-knee amputation who had an ulceration of.

[01:01:24] Of his leg below the knee right and we were able to heal up that ulceration using a combination of peptides VPC. AO D and G HK see you in a cream a topical cream and he continues to use that because of his tremendous response to that. Obviously. He has lots of other things going wrong if he's using if he's having a below-the-knee amputation and you know, sometimes you can get people to make changes in their lifestyle and sometimes you.

[01:01:50] The applications for for like I my favorite is this treatment that we use when we use a odh a you were talking earlier about a [01:02:00] 0 DHA ra o d if you use it in combination with aha, this fragment healing fragment of growth hormone is held in place by that hyaluronic acid that hire out of breath are way higher and like I said, you can use that in these inflammatory things like chronic tendinitis.

[01:02:16] Like I think I heard you the other day talking about your thigh injury that you sustained and that your PPC got you better for from that. You can use a OJ for that as well. And that's where once a week treatment this patient. I have that had avascular necrosis did really well with several weekly treatments of a or DHA.

[01:02:35] And again, we're treating inflammatory process. We're using that growth hormone to bring things down in her. I did not start with BBC or ta one because otherwise she had a fairly healthy. Life and lifestyle she came to me with this avascular necrosis injury and we started immediately with that growth hormone.

[01:02:53] She did just fine. I added the bpc because of its repair properties, but that was later.

[01:02:59] Carl Lanore: [01:02:59] Have you [01:03:00] seen tolerance issues with people with severe autoimmunity to be PC? Jeff Robinson wants to know if you've noticed that people tolerate bpc better when using ta one. Or combined with it seems that those with severe autoimmunity.

[01:03:17] Can have BP C tolerance issues I would have thought bpc is one of the most tolerable of

[01:03:22] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [01:03:22] all you would think so, so I have a patient with Ms. Who it was unable to tolerate the Oral-B PC. That's what we started with and her because I figured that was her primary. But in fact when we started her with ta one she tolerated just fine.

[01:03:37] We did ta one obviously Sub-Q and we're getting ready because she's been on PA one Sub-Q about six weeks. So we're getting ready to start her on PPC Sub-Q to see if she'll tolerate that where she did not tolerate it orally she might tolerate the oral again. But again now we're talking about someone who's got a little anxiety because she tried it before and had a bad reaction.

[01:03:57] So I don't want to put somebody through [01:04:00] going through that again. If I have an alternate route, I can administer it's one of the things I love about bpc comes in a dental paste. It comes in eye drops. So for your cordial ulcerations, you could use it in corneal ulceration. I'm still

[01:04:12] Carl Lanore: [01:04:12] using it. I use the Thomason beta for and bpc 157 eye drops.

[01:04:18] I had a corneal ulcer it lasted months. My audience knows about I was blind in my right eye. There are no imperfections in my cornea, and now I just have a little cloudiness that may have made completely resolved, but I can I mean I've got a contact lens in and I'm 2030 in the right eye now. Thanks to those peptides

[01:04:36] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [01:04:36] great.

[01:04:37] I'm a fan. 

[01:04:39] Carl Lanore: [01:04:39] I had a question of my head. So with bpc 157 will agitate me at night if I take it too close to bed. I don't sleep as well. One of the things I was going to ask you was since some of the implications. Of autoimmunity seem to affect mitochondria is nad+ [01:05:00] injectable or drip a good idea for these people are only when they get to a certain point of progress.

[01:05:06] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [01:05:06] Absolutely and I'm going to follow their lab results. I'm going to look at things like, you know, I'm going to look at it. The easiest one. I have a lot of patients who still use insurance. So I'm going to look at there any B, which is the combination of monocytes eosinophils and basophils. And we want to see that be somewhere somewhere around 10 8 7 would be perfect.

[01:05:28] If you get above can we start worrying this is your barking dogs and my innate immune system. The the is in the middle of the night seeing something that it doesn't like so it's barking when I see that and maybe go up so I'm watching that Meb to see if it comes down and once it begins to come down.

[01:05:43] That's when I'm going to issue initiate the other. You can use all kinds of markers tnf-alpha you can use il-6 Ila. There's a few Labs that will do that. You can there's a bunch of different markers that you can use CRP plus or minus you can use ferritin is a great one to use to wash this.

[01:06:00] [01:06:00] Inflammation began to come down and that's when you add in the other therapies when they're starting to get a little bit better and you see their immune response going down now we attack their their infections with LL 37 or we attack their brain function with Dai Dai, hexa or or cerebral Eisen.

[01:06:19] Carl Lanore: [01:06:19] So Jeff Robinson said last question, I swear matze for chronic fatigue.

[01:06:25] What do you.

[01:06:27] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [01:06:27] So I haven't used it for that yet. I have so far really used it in but that's where I think it was going to have its best. I think there and diabetes is we're going to see Moxie get be as benefit. The initial defense is going to be a difficult piece, but I think over time I think the problem with it is the other problem is it's going to not be as quicker response your immune system.

[01:06:49] Your pancreas isn't going to respond as quickly to it as it's going to respond to. Insulin or or other, you know diabetes drugs or changing your diet and exercising [01:07:00] and so you're going to have to be careful with taking patients off of their regular therapies. They may not respond as quickly as you expect.

[01:07:08] It might take three to six months to see them respond.

[01:07:12] Carl Lanore: [01:07:12] So the website give your website again, please

[01:07:14] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [01:07:14] it's a Vine medical.com

[01:07:16] Carl Lanore: [01:07:16] and you are just 20 miles north of. Yes, and so those of you who are listening give your phone number one more time

[01:07:24] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [01:07:24] or 04446 3600 if

[01:07:27] Carl Lanore: [01:07:27] you're in the area and you want to stop spinning your wheels because you know, so see here's the thing.

[01:07:32] There's all this great information about peptides pretty large percentage of it is wrong and. Then you also have to worry about whether or not the peptide you're getting are real or not, or if they are even a high enough concentration or they are laced with some hexane or something else that shouldn't be in there.

[01:07:51] And so if you're taking it into your own hands and you're trying to do this on your own. And it's working for you godspeed [01:08:00] rock on but if it's not working for you, you may want to eliminate one of those possible variables by going and seeing a doctor like dr. Turner and have her handle it for you and do it right because let's face it.

[01:08:15] You want to be done with this disorder, right? That's the bottom line. And if that is your mission, then you may need some good counseling and you're not going to find a lot of doctors out there like, dr. Turner I can guarantee you won't probably definitely not in your own backyard. So reach out to her and let her know you heard about her on the pep talk here at superhuman radio.

[01:08:40] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [01:08:40] Thank you Carl.

[01:08:41] Carl Lanore: [01:08:41] Thank you. Thank you for being here today and have a great.

[01:08:44] Dr. Suzanne F. Turner, MD: [01:08:44] You too. Bye. Bye.

[01:08:45] Carl Lanore: [01:08:45] Bye. I so that's it for today. We have a great show this Monday. We're going to be talking about red light therapy. Hope you can join us for that. Everybody. Have a great weekend, and we will see you soon [01:09:00] .