[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] welcome back to another episode of superhuman radio. Today is Friday,

[00:00:04] Ferenc Elekes: [00:00:04] October 4th.

[00:00:06] Carl Lanore: [00:00:06] 2019 for those of you listening to the show a hundred years from now and we have a really interesting show, you know, remember a couple of years ago. I did the show with the husband and wife that started squat van and they were just they had this big truck.

[00:00:22] Panel truck and it was loaded with gym equipment and they just went to different places and worked out. They went to the Grand Canyon. You know, I always fascinated me. It really really did and and we did that show because was very interesting and this this show is just as interesting. The reality is that my guest today is hold on a sec.

[00:00:42] Let me bring them on camera here. Just bear with me. I have to do all this stuff myself for rank Eliquis. How are you for?

[00:00:50] Ferenc Elekes: [00:00:50] Bye Carla. Very good. Very good. Thank you for having me.

[00:00:53] Carl Lanore: [00:00:53] Yeah, my pleasure. You know, you're very you're very fascinating what you what you've done in [00:01:00] 2018 and and this is kind of under the heading of specialized Fitness.

[00:01:06] We have a lot of people who listen to the show the podcast that are over-the-road truck drivers. And we have a lot of people who listen to the show because they're in sales and they spend six hours a day in their car. And we all have that sense of angst when we're in our car driving someplace that you know, I should be moving more.

[00:01:26] I shouldn't be sitting like this and and so tell you a story. First of all, you're an Overlander is that correct? Explain that first of all with that what that means?

[00:01:37] Ferenc Elekes: [00:01:37] Yes, it's a from in this sort of meaning. It's a fairly new word as such. The original word is coming from Australia when people were herding their cattle from one point to the other thousands of miles away.

[00:01:51] And today people just use the word over the landing for a vehicle based independent travel. Basically, [00:02:00] so usually that's involves a big 4x4, right? Four-wheel drive

[00:02:07] Carl Lanore: [00:02:07] mobile home something that people that I can live in right

[00:02:11] Ferenc Elekes: [00:02:11] Jimmy. Yes, but to be honest it can be anything even if you just use your everyday sedan and drive from drive any long distance, you are noble and there it doesn't really matter.

[00:02:24] What you drive as long as you enjoy the trip and the goal of that's it. Apparently, I mean who says what's the definition? I mean nobody can decide but. Usually they say the definition is that the goal is the trip itself not the destination. Yeah, I like so like as long as you enjoy the trip and you you know, you're interested in what's around you at that point while you're traveling that's over landing and not you know, you don't necessarily what want to get to the end of the church.

[00:02:54] Carl Lanore: [00:02:54] Now is this is this a bigger phenomenon in Europe than it is here in the United States you think and I [00:03:00] should point out that you are in Budapest right now, correct? That is

[00:03:03] Ferenc Elekes: [00:03:03] correct

[00:03:03] Carl Lanore: [00:03:03] is IT Tech isn't technology wonderful Frank? It is really could you imagine like you you there me here we would never you know, a hundred years ago.

[00:03:14] We would have never met like that, you know, but anyway, I love that so so is this a phenomenon that's more popular in Europe you think than it is here in the United States?

[00:03:23] Ferenc Elekes: [00:03:23] No, I think it's the opposite actually. It's absolutely massive in the United States. It is it is absolutely especially in the north north east and Southeast sort of Northwest and Southwest where you just have those open spaces and there's a lot of YouTube videos is about.

[00:03:41] Websites blogs and just people doing this stuff and it's absolutely fantastic. And so so what's very popular in America? Is that obviously to travel within the country, but you have that. North and South American continent

[00:03:58] Carl Lanore: [00:03:58] right

[00:04:00] [00:03:59] Ferenc Elekes: [00:03:59] Big Ten American famous route that a lot of people are doing that literally thousands of people once you start doing these kind of things and you reads the the relevant blogs or you answer the Facebook groups that are talking about different Visa advice or Roots advice exchanges have to do these have to that you then you realize so many people are doing this that it's

[00:04:24] Carl Lanore: [00:04:24] but now.

[00:04:25] What so if you had to describe the the iconic demographic of a person who says hey, honey, like you you and and Evelyn Wright. Is that her name? I'm

[00:04:38] Ferenc Elekes: [00:04:38] yeah, correct.

[00:04:39] Carl Lanore: [00:04:39] Yeah, you and Evelyn decided to and I got to put the map up quick you and I are faces are going to disappear for a second because people need to be able to see this on a map in order to understand you drove from.

[00:04:54] Western Africa to Singapore.

[00:04:57] Ferenc Elekes: [00:04:57] That's

[00:04:58] Carl Lanore: [00:04:58] right. And that's the best [00:05:00] that's the map of your path and also the points where you stopped and so on this this has to be like Overlander extraordinaire, right? I mean it was this what all over lenders do they drive 32,000 miles in a year.  well.

[00:05:17] Ferenc Elekes: [00:05:17] It was very and first of all, we have to get to Africa first so that actually it could even be longer.

[00:05:23] If I talk about the fact that we had to get from Budapest to know West Africa and then back to Singapore, but the fact is so many people who get into your life. Let's say whoever makes the decision to actually quit that job and just travel for a year with the vehicle. It's usually longer than the our trip.

[00:05:42] So whoever we met. There's a lot of our lenders that we met on the trip many many of them just had a longer trip than ours real maybe it maybe if we combined it because because our northwest Africa was sort of one side of the trip and [00:06:00] then we went to Singapore and that was sort of the second two thirds of the truth, right if I combine the two it's quite big, but otherwise it was done in 11 months.

[00:06:11] Wow,

[00:06:13] Carl Lanore: [00:06:13] that's that's so at some point in time. Maybe sooner than I me. I'm even imagining you and and Evelyn said, you know Mom you you said my back hurts all the time and she felt like she was withering like she hadn't been to the gym and and so long and so you had to start making a plan like okay, we can't just We Can't Stop every five minutes and walk.

[00:06:38] So what how do we do this? How do we make this? Where are we don't erode our health at the end of this journey.

[00:06:44] Ferenc Elekes: [00:06:44] That is correct. Like basically Evelyn is very active exercising all the time. I'm trying the same, but I'm not as active actually is but you know, regularly we trying to go to the gym.

[00:06:58] Evelyn should goes every day [00:07:00] and once you start to live in your car and that live in a tent, let's just stop suddenly. So you have to come up with alternatives. That is not just exercise. But everything else that comes with a travel and lifestyle like food or water or you know, just generally just help because as you're traveling to places that might not have the same standards as your home country

[00:07:23] Carl Lanore: [00:07:23] you what you wanted.

[00:07:23] You want to know an interesting tidbit of information more truck drivers.  And police officers develop bladder cancer.

[00:07:37] Ferenc Elekes: [00:07:37] Okay,

[00:07:38] Carl Lanore: [00:07:38] and I and I thought about this for a long time and I realized that these are two jobs where you just don't sit but you may actually drink a lot of coffee and hold your urine for longer periods of time.

[00:07:55] This is just my own Theory. It's just a theory but you know, [00:08:00] it's like why do why do these two what are these two jobs the only similarity is that they sit all day and driving a vehicle and I just found that fascinating and I thought you know, so here, you know, you're saying you're going play you don't have to stop every half hour or 15 minutes to to use the facilities.

[00:08:19] But at the same time you wrestling with staying hydrated.

[00:08:24] Ferenc Elekes: [00:08:24] Yeah, absolutely. Definitely have to stay hydrated especially that we were in hot climates. We went through the Sahara Desert and also in Central Asia. We went through deserts multiple of them. Wow, and it was the height of the summer as well.

[00:08:39] So it could be I don't know close to a hundred like Fahrenheit. And we'll probably higher yeah, probably what's that? Probably higher. Yeah, I'm thinking Celsius

[00:08:51] Carl Lanore: [00:08:51] which you know, you know, you know, you know like Arizona in the summer is a hundred nineteen in Phoenix. And even even Las Vegas [00:09:00] Nevada gets hit with that.

[00:09:00] Sometimes I gotta believe a desert that's known for being hot has to be in the in the 130s. Probably high 120s. I would say.

[00:09:10] Ferenc Elekes: [00:09:10] Yeah order for 40 degrees celsius. So whatever that is in Fahrenheit, actually,

[00:09:16] Carl Lanore: [00:09:16] yeah, probably 120 degrees. But yeah, so yeah, what you worried for your safety when you were driving through these like, oh gosh.

[00:09:22] I hope that something doesn't go wrong with the car now. Yeah.

[00:09:26] Ferenc Elekes: [00:09:26] Well, you know Pika it was sort of a convoy like we were traveling in an organized group and then within that we had like. Three four five vehicle lilyc own way that we just helped each other all the time and we had issues more like getting stuck in places and then you know soft Sandy type routes and places like that and help each other out with fuel if we had to because there's nothing around literally those places where there was nothing around but mechanical problems we didn't have in Africa, but we had a lot in in [00:10:00] our second trip like driving through Asia.

[00:10:02] Oh, really? But that was a different. It's a different kind of environment in Africa in the Sahara does if you don't want to break down in Asia, you can get away with it. You can fix it. You can walk to the next Village is more populated than obviously those remote areas, but there was at some point where we got stuck in Mongolia it was during the night and there was nothing around literally nothing around.

[00:10:22] And I just have to date for four hours until the vehicle is great to go again. Wow. So if you just that and that's that's overdone and you just have to solve you your independent you self-reliant. You have to solve the problems and that's the beauty of it as

[00:10:38] Carl Lanore: [00:10:38] well. So you you and Evelyn came up with 13 kind of evolved these 13 things that you feel.

[00:10:48] Were there was compelling evidence that an enhanced your health while you were stuck in this vehicle. By the way, did you wear a fitness tracker or Fitbit or a

[00:10:58] Ferenc Elekes: [00:10:58] ring? Nobody [00:11:00] know we didn't it's only I was gonna say me.  whether anything that you'd like to do when you're traveling you sit in a vehicle that you have to do it consciously when you think about your health so like even drinking water as.

[00:11:16] Obvious as it sounds that you have to drink water you have to think about it sometimes because you can just forget about it and your body feels it immediately, but you actually have to have a bottle in front of you and then grab it even if you're

[00:11:33] Carl Lanore: [00:11:33] not.  I think we may have like no no your back. Yeah, you're back. Yeah, and and but then at the same time you have to wrestle with the idea. That the more you drink the more you have to pay and the more you see the more you have to stop unless you're taking bottles to urinate in while you're driving so you don't slow down, you know, that's

[00:11:52] Ferenc Elekes: [00:11:52] great.

[00:11:53] But something is a good thing like because you interrupting the sitting process basically where your your back and everything else [00:12:00] is just not natural to sit all day.

[00:12:02] Carl Lanore: [00:12:02] You know what I just realized. I had like an epiphany you like you said at the beginning of the interview. It's more about the journey.

[00:12:10] Then the destination so you don't feel pressure to get to the destination. Oh we oh, you know, we've got to drive eight hours every night because we want to be there by Wednesday so you can stop more off than each stop is part of the adventure then is

[00:12:24] Ferenc Elekes: [00:12:24] true. And so that's why it's maybe some of the advice has to be changed for truck drivers and maybe people who are driving for living right for sure, but I reckon Healthfirst so even if you're driving.

[00:12:38] As for the job you're probably your health is probably more important. But yeah, but even when you even when you're sort of doing the journey like over Landing you have to meet some deadlines like some borders closed at four o'clock in the afternoon. We have to get there or some maybe maybe you want to get to a camp spot before [00:13:00] it gets dark.

[00:13:00] So you have to you can set up your tent and your camp and you actually you have to find your Camp first and. It's better if it's you know, if it's bright still right and it's not another arriving in the dark. So there are some sort of time constraints as well for over lenders, which is fine. But still we just got to remember.

[00:13:19] Okay, I'm stopping now. I'm stretching my legs. I'm gonna is a very good exercise that I've done every single time stopped. I just grabbed any part of the vehicle.

[00:13:28] Carl Lanore: [00:13:28] What is it

[00:13:28] Ferenc Elekes: [00:13:28] and I just grabbed any part of the because you hold onto the vehicle. Then you stand straight and you lift your leg backwards.

[00:13:36] So so basically behind your back, right? You just lift your leg straight and that just exercises your bum and your lower back right? Because that's what that's what gets the laziest. Why are you sitting

[00:13:49] so

[00:13:50] Carl Lanore: [00:13:50] although you have our spine? Sure

[00:13:52] Ferenc Elekes: [00:13:52] exactly. So your lower back is not supported as much anymore because your muscle just loses strength for whatever it is.

[00:13:59] I'm not a doctor, [00:14:00] but it I've heard this. I've researched this before and I've heard it from a friend of mine who's done really long trips many many times and this was his advice and it really it really helped me as well.

[00:14:13] Carl Lanore: [00:14:13] You know, what you're talking about is this is called a standing hamstring curl in exercise physiology.

[00:14:21] And so, you know your yeah and your by twice by pushing against the car. It keeps you straight up right? Because your body may have a tendency to want to lean forward. So forces you to stay upright. So all you're really activating is is that the part of the calf muscle the hamstring the glue the gluteus maximus on that side and then the lumbar and the end of the muscles in the lumbar spine region and that's it.

[00:14:46] Right?

[00:14:46] Ferenc Elekes: [00:14:46] Yeah. Yeah, and that's that's vital. At least. It's my experience as well as what I've been told by other. And it's just it helps you a lot. So if you're sitting so

[00:14:58] Carl Lanore: [00:14:58] what about what about what [00:15:00] about this when I was young we used to like to lean in the car, you know, because we wanted to look cool.

[00:15:04] So we were leaning and I started to pay attention. Probably maybe a decade ago that like I don't sit on one side of my rear end or the other side to plant my ass straight in the chair that seat and sit up straight. I would imagine that that's something that you have to consider every time you get in and out of a vehicle when you're putting 32,000 miles on your body in a vehicle is making sure that you are seated right from the beginning in the right place.

[00:15:30] And

[00:15:30] Ferenc Elekes: [00:15:30] yes as the same width. The thing I mentioned with drinking water, you have to think about it consciously and this is exactly this is again a very good example, you're sitting position. Your driving position is not just how you sit like sit up straight and obviously don't lean on any side but also is the steering wheel and the right distance the pedals in the right distance from your body.

[00:15:53] So you don't actually stretching your arms either. So again putting strength of the string on your back [00:16:00] or your neck. So if you sit in the right position, obviously that can be leaning on left and right it's got to be straight and but you have to think about it. You do have to think about it and you have to sort of set up a rule for yourself and follow it on time and

[00:16:16] Carl Lanore: [00:16:16] modules are both people don't know how to identify if they're steering wheel is in the right place.

[00:16:22] I went in one year for my birthday. At least I got me this supercar. You know where I got to drive like Testarossa something around and I ended up in the Audi which was a really really really nice car. But anyway, the guy who's a professional driver. He says adjust your seat. So I just he goes is you really want to be there on it?

[00:16:47] He says his how you adjust your seat the right way you get in a comfortable comfortable position with your seat you put. Your wrists on the top of

[00:16:55] Ferenc Elekes: [00:16:55] the steering wheel

[00:16:56] Carl Lanore: [00:16:56] and you should have a slight break in the forearm. You should [00:17:00] not be locked out. You should be just relaxed and slightly broken.

[00:17:04] That's where you belong because then when you grab the wheel you actually gain a little bit more so you don't have that constant extended shoulder feeling when you're driving and until somebody told me that I just thought, you know, you just guess yeah. I think I'm comfortable without it. You can't do that if you're going to spend 11 months in a car.

[00:17:23] Ferenc Elekes: [00:17:23] Yeah, that's correct. That's exactly the rule. I knew about Lex the steering wheel has to be at your wrist and you can't have a straight arm all the time and with conscious decisions and to go back to the first objective to talk about this basically stopping and stepping outside of the car, but I found useful.

[00:17:42] Is that even if you if you don't stop because you. You wanted to stop but sometimes you have to stop at maybe there's a ferry that you waiting for or maybe there is a I don't know those controlled constructions why you have car accidents

[00:17:58] Carl Lanore: [00:17:58] car

[00:17:58] Ferenc Elekes: [00:17:58] or anything? Yeah. Yes [00:18:00] exactly. But use these occasions to step outside your car if it's safe and then stretch your legs touch just just generally move around and you're not sitting at least you save that 10 minutes 5 minutes, whatever that you're not sitting.

[00:18:15] You'll be sending you'll be doing something different with your body rather than sitting again, these little stops and up and it's and it's again you haven't lost any time because you would have been in the car. Anyway stop anyway, because of the traffic X, right,

[00:18:29] Carl Lanore: [00:18:29] right, right. Yeah, so you have to seize the opportunities when they become available.

[00:18:34] Yeah, yeah. So here's what I want to do. We're going to go ahead and take first commercial break and when we come back, let's go ahead and go through the 13 things that you guys discovered were very important in order to maintain both health and fitness while spending long periods of time in vehicles stay tuned.

[00:18:53] We'll be right back. With more superhuman radio,

[00:19:00] [00:18:59] welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back such an interesting story about I you know, I've never I've really not known about over Landing before so that and alone is interesting. We're talking with Frank Eliquis. He's actually in Budapest Hungary we have listeners in. Several that. It's a big physical culture community and hungry, you know martial arts weightlifting bodybuilding all that sort of stuff.

[00:19:32] Okay. So we have we have a lot of listeners. We've quite a quite a few listeners in Hungary that I know of that communicate with me as well. So. What are the 13 kind of edicts that you came up with? Sure to maintain Health while spending long times in vehicles and we have a question from an over-the-road truck driver that I knew was going to chime in today.

[00:19:55] John Peaks. We'll get him later. Okay. Okay.

[00:20:00] [00:19:59] Ferenc Elekes: [00:19:59] Well. Some of them you already mentioned but let's just go through them one by one. So obviously exercise the regular exercise. And as I said, you need to think about this function C so you can't just say okay. I've got this list and I'll do them at some point do it regularly and make sure you follow your own rules around less than we did with the exercises.

[00:20:22] Nothing has to be too complicated. You just have to use maybe an elastic band. Maybe just even not even that. Use anything that you have. Even just you know, you can go for a run anywhere. You don't need any equipment

[00:20:36] Carl Lanore: [00:20:36] well and I if you get out to fuel up, you could do bodyweight squats and if you can get a pair of gloves in the trunk of your car rugged gloves that like work gloves throw them on and do some push-ups real fast.

[00:20:49] Ferenc Elekes: [00:20:49] You can do some push-ups. Yeah, and that's that's exactly what we've done we've done. So bodyweight exercises that you can choose do anywhere. We've done the exercise that I just [00:21:00] mentioned with the lifting of like backwards. Evelyn's brought some very small and very light type exercise equipment like like an elastic band or maybe you know, jumping rope and stuff like that and that just helped to vary the exercises, but otherwise.

[00:21:22] It doesn't have to be complicated and you don't need much to to actually follow an exercise routine. You

[00:21:28] Carl Lanore: [00:21:28] know, you could also work in since you have you don't shoot your camping. You could say OK when you when you say, oh the sunrise sunset is this time we want to be there before that time so we could set up camp and actually go we want to be there 45 minutes before that so that we can work out.

[00:21:48] To once we get at Camp, you know, it's all about prioritizing what's important to you. You know what I mean?

[00:21:55] Ferenc Elekes: [00:21:55] That is correct. That is correct. And I have to say and as as much [00:22:00] as I say that you have to think about his Consciousness, you have to follow your own rules. Evelyn did it more than I did.

[00:22:05] So I've got like everything was still running in the Gobi desert where I was already just you know, collecting firewood driver I could and and I use that kind of excuse that this is my exercise, but it was sometimes it was you know, sometimes I had to walk around Li the campsite and and find firewoods and it was fun as well.

[00:22:24] I mean you can do it doesn't have to be. Something that you don't like to make right then go for a long walk

[00:22:32] Carl Lanore: [00:22:32] maybe so so so what was it? Let's go through the continue to go through the list. That's for

[00:22:37] Ferenc Elekes: [00:22:37] sure. Okay and also because we went through beautiful places and obviously some of them were touristy or not touristy.

[00:22:45] But but we were in the nature we were Outdoors all the time. So hiking is obviously an exercise or an activity that comes. And that matches very well with over lending. So you just.  [00:23:00] consciously aim for places where there's good hiking opportunities. We've done quite a few hikes. We've done some in Georgia.

[00:23:08] We've also there was a one of the very good ones and very hard once what was in in China. There's a place called tiger leaping Gorge. It's a massive gorge on the Yellow River I believe and and we literally had to climb down walk down on the passed through really Rocky Narrow Path and then climb up again on a very steep path and sometimes letters like metal Leathers that was pretty hard and

[00:23:40] Carl Lanore: [00:23:40] she wouldn't sounds difficult

[00:23:42] Ferenc Elekes: [00:23:42] humid and hot sand.

[00:23:46] And as often as we could we've done those kind of heights and their beautiful as well. But once once you do a few hours hike you feel like you've done your exercise for the day. [00:24:00] That's pretty cool. And also I mentioned stopping regularly before there's just thought I'd mention it again. So make sure you you just do it.

[00:24:12] I mean because we were the two of us and. We've done we share the driving sort of half-and-half like Evelyn was driving through the deserts and the mountain peaks as much as I did. So we do actually done those 32,000 miles driving half of it. Each of us

[00:24:33] Carl Lanore: [00:24:33] heard of.

[00:24:34] Ferenc Elekes: [00:24:34] Each person so that meant we have to swap and we didn't just show up like okay you drive these day.

[00:24:41] I drive tomorrow. We swapped every two hours contracts

[00:24:44] Carl Lanore: [00:24:44] brilliant. So that gives you a reason to get up and look around a little bit,

[00:24:48] Ferenc Elekes: [00:24:48] right? That's exactly and then in connection with this when we had a reason to stop like not because we decided to stop it. Maybe we had to board a ferry. We [00:25:00] maybe we came across the border crossing or there is a lot of police checkpoints in Africa and Asia, so we had to say.

[00:25:08] We'll use those opportunities to step outside step out the car and you know stretch our legs minute, you know, you're not going to do push-ups in the police checkpoint, but it's still a good opportunity to. Just stand rather than shit

[00:25:21] Carl Lanore: [00:25:21] is it? It's sad that you can't do push-ups at a checkpoint like that.

[00:25:24] Like they would see it as a sign of aggression. They would think oh, what are you trying to do show off was supposed to yeah, you know, man, I'm just doing push-ups push-ups. Yeah. I know. It's crazy. You also have nutrition on your list, right?

[00:25:42] Ferenc Elekes: [00:25:42] Yes, so,

[00:25:43] Carl Lanore: [00:25:43] I mean it's got to be easy to eat junk because junk is convenient.

[00:25:47] You can hold it in your hand and eat it while you're driving and shareable here. You take some I'll take some but but you got to really find ways to use opportunities to eat real food.

[00:25:58] Ferenc Elekes: [00:25:58] That's what that's what I was [00:26:00] going to say. Like if you ever go on the road trip is the easiest things to stop at the nearest McDonald's and you know eight eat a burger and.

[00:26:09] And Fries, but that's that's the last thing we wanted to do and luckily there is not many fast food places in Central Asia or in Africa anyway, but we deliberately wanted to stop in local markets by lots of food fruits and vegetables basically by local food, but we usually prepared ourselves but.

[00:26:31] Where we could we didn't eat? Maybe we didn't need bread or or any I don't know if you have any food where we could obviously it's not always possible because you don't know what's the next religious like what the next country is supermarkets are like you do some research, but it's not you can't always know.

[00:26:50] Yeah ahead. But when you have the choice just eat vegetables and. Fruits and vegetables and anything healthy for with breakfast for example [00:27:00] is very easy. We just brought oatmeal with us like lots of it and

[00:27:04] Carl Lanore: [00:27:04] yes, it happened by the devil. So so for me and a lot of people in the audience, I know that thinking already because I'm going to say it like we protein Centric diets.

[00:27:15] That means we'd have to have lots of dried Meats. We could have dried Meats. I'm just thinking, you know, I'm not opposed none of McDonald's. Do they have Wendy's in Europe?

[00:27:28] Ferenc Elekes: [00:27:28] No,

[00:27:29] Carl Lanore: [00:27:29] Wendy's has a great hamburger. It's really good quality beef and it's only about 15 percent fat. So it's not one of those embedding and and here in the United States.

[00:27:41] I can drive through a Wendy's and by for hamburger patties, that's one pound of cooked beef for about five dollars and forty cents us.

[00:27:53] Ferenc Elekes: [00:27:53] Okay,

[00:27:54] Carl Lanore: [00:27:54] and that's a pound of beef. I mean, it's not a steak. It's not fancy [00:28:00] schmancy, but it's a pound of beef and I would be driving through places and getting those and keeping them in the car and I would just eat them like cookies as the day.

[00:28:08] Okay. Yeah, but

[00:28:10] Ferenc Elekes: [00:28:10] we the problem with which driving through places that are basically outside of the developer to students to use those words is that. You just don't have those kind of Supermarket chains where you can buy good meats or and I don't trust that you don't trust the local shop on the corner, you know, so sometimes it gets a little bit tricky.

[00:28:33] However, we had some you know, those kind of meals that the mountain climbers use or hikers hear those ready meals that are some of them if you choose the right Brands, they can be healthy or at least they are not unhealthy like a lot of them, right so you can do that and we did that. We had a huge box of you know, ready meals that you can just warm up or maybe pour water over, right?

[00:28:59] And then it's [00:29:00] ready. We had lots of that. But as I said, we try to buy fruits and vegetables locally where we could and obviously that but it's hard food is food is hard when you're on the road

[00:29:12] Carl Lanore: [00:29:12] what one of the things that was on your list was kind of took I caught me off guard. I was like, oh, wow, I didn't think about that, you know washing your hands often now, that's really if you're in the car.

[00:29:26] Most of the time it's your surroundings. It's your germs. You know, ydy. What's washing your hands often doing are you talking about when you come in contact with strangers and stuff like that? Well,

[00:29:38] Ferenc Elekes: [00:29:38] you come you come in contact with many things like even if you're sitting on the car, as I said we step up a lot and and.

[00:29:47] It's not your normal undersized not like you you start in the morning and you arrive somewhere in the evenings. Probably during the day. You went somewhere and visited the place, maybe an Old Fort or [00:30:00] maybe an Old Town or Village or something. So you do see places. Basically, I don't

[00:30:04] Carl Lanore: [00:30:04] like the

[00:30:05] Ferenc Elekes: [00:30:05] word using tourists, but you are a tourist 24/7 which means you go and visit places that you're interested in.

[00:30:14] Which means you're gonna you know, touch a door handle you're gonna use a public bathroom. You can just meet a lot of people. So, yes, you do need to also you don't necessarily have to go and find a tap and wash your hands but those these little alcoholic grab any ties so that you can use as basically nearly as good as so but you again that's another thing like when you're at home, maybe you do it more often.

[00:30:44] You wash your hands because of whatever.

[00:30:45] Carl Lanore: [00:30:45] Yeah, you do when

[00:30:47] Ferenc Elekes: [00:30:47] you when you sit in the car, you don't you don't necessarily think about it,

[00:30:51] Carl Lanore: [00:30:51] right?

[00:30:51] Ferenc Elekes: [00:30:51] Because yes, it's your own little home and you don't necessarily remember to do it, but. Could

[00:30:59] Carl Lanore: [00:30:59] you how could the [00:31:00] passenger so when you were a passenger did you sleep or did you since you both go to sleep?

[00:31:09] When you got to your destination that evening could the passenger kind of find ways to engage their body while they're in that passenger seat. You've got a little bit more room. You got more freedom. You're not in control of the car. Not necessarily.

[00:31:23] Ferenc Elekes: [00:31:23] No, it's the the space is too small. Evelyn had really small in are not on this trip, but on a previous trip had very small.

[00:31:35] Dumbbells with her and she was trying to do some kind of exercises

[00:31:40] Carl Lanore: [00:31:40] but the space is just too

[00:31:42] Ferenc Elekes: [00:31:42] strong. Yeah, it's but I had I had drumsticks and I was coming on the dashboard.

[00:31:46] Carl Lanore: [00:31:46] When oh, I bet she was like she loved that that must have drove her crazy. Right? What if she like right now? I think you need to get out at the next stop.

[00:31:53] Stop drumming. Let's let's put this question up there. John Peaks is a longtime. Of the show and he is an [00:32:00] over-the-road truck driver here in the United States. He said last week my wife and I drove 5,300 miles. This was slightly less than usual lately. I've been stopping every three to four hours and doing a few push-ups or body weight squats.

[00:32:15] This is the the new job ended. He said with this new job. I only get in the gym a couple times a week, but it pays the bills and see these are the people that listen to this show. Right. You got a guy that spending a lot. I mean, I actually talked to him a couple years ago. And he was like he wanted to sleep better while he was on the road and we figured out a plan and he's like sleeping better when he's on the road.

[00:32:39] And so the people in this audience are looking to be not just healthy, but super fit at the same time and that's why I found your story so intriguing but yeah, I mean, you know, he's doing what he has to do.

[00:32:56] Ferenc Elekes: [00:32:56] I think maybe one thing he could improve is maybe sub a bit more [00:33:00] often three four hours may not be enough

[00:33:03] Carl Lanore: [00:33:03] but the problem with okay, but you gotta remember problem with over-the-road truck drivers as they get paid basically by the mile.

[00:33:09] Ferenc Elekes: [00:33:09] Yeah. Yes,

[00:33:10] Carl Lanore: [00:33:10] you know and that's really what that that's how they're paid. They're paid by the mile. And so that means that if you drive four thousand miles in two days you make X if you drive 4,000 miles in a day that means in two days you make to. So, you know, I mean, they pushed themselves.

[00:33:27] That's why I think it's fascinating that so many truck drivers and police officers get bladder cancer.  I'm like, you know what the one thing that they share in common is they sit in the vehicle and they don't want to have to stop every 5 minutes to pee because that's going to like totally blow their job like you can't do it.

[00:33:47] Ferenc Elekes: [00:33:47] I mean, I'm not sure what the regulations are in the US and in Europe. There is a regulation that truck drivers. Channel Drive longer than eight hours in a certain period of time it could be 24 [00:34:00] hours. I'm not sure but there is certain the limits that they can't time limit that they cannot drive longer but it's got that I think it's got the same effect because they don't want to stop because they want to get as far as possible within that eight hours that they are.

[00:34:13] Carl Lanore: [00:34:13] Well, well, look what John put up. Can you read that? He says and I have a satellite track truck, which means I have to get to my destinations on time. I think I'm pretty mint on down. Yeah, I have to get to his destinations on time. So he has that ticking clock in the background on top of it.

[00:34:29] Ferenc Elekes: [00:34:29] Yeah. Yeah, these don't have yeah, it's tough.

[00:34:33] Carl Lanore: [00:34:33] What is so what other if we distilled down like what what what are the really important things made? You're listening feel like we need to

[00:34:40] Ferenc Elekes: [00:34:40] talk. Well, you know as modern seeds are in new cars these days. I didn't find them at least in my car and it's not about Costa 2006 Toyota pad and the seats are nice and fine, but it could be sufficient the you know [00:35:00] support.

[00:35:00] Every day when you know, you just have your daily run about but not when you're sitting in it all day long Brian. That's what like a you know, like aftermarket Lumber sport is just an extra support and I really felt that I needed to see just wasn't supporting enough of my lower back.

[00:35:22] Carl Lanore: [00:35:22] Well, whatever and what happens is.

[00:35:25] The natural arch in the Lombard disappears because you when you sit for long periods of time, you have the tendency to roll your hips forward. And so you actually sitting on your tailbone more than your pelvis at that point in time. And the reality is that that curve in the lumbar spine just flattens out.

[00:35:44] So you're literally putting it in a compromised position while you're putting pressure directly on it like antagonizing. You know Annoying that's right. Yeah. I know. It's a horrible

[00:35:54] Ferenc Elekes: [00:35:54] horrible. And and also the numbers for that I bought is like an aftermarket when I said and [00:36:00] it's maybe it's not even not any better than the original one built in the seat, but it's already reminded me that I have to sit in the right position.

[00:36:08] Carl Lanore: [00:36:08] Well if you could feel it. Then if you were aware of it, then it definitely is better than what you had because you obviously weren't aware of what lumbar support they put in your seat inherently in the manufacturing process. So this obviously you feel it. The problem with lumbar support is some people take it too far.

[00:36:27] You know, they go. Oh, you know, I'm going to put something big and round back there and then they hyperextend the lumbar and they end up with other back problems lumbar support is a very very small Gap that. That generally that the pillow has to fill what else did you feel was critical to maintaining Health and Fitness on the trip.

[00:36:47] Ferenc Elekes: [00:36:47] Well, there is there's also sleep. I mean. To get sufficiency Pizza is not only healthy, but it's also going to save you on the roads. Like you're not going to doze off these this thing called a relative fantastic [00:37:00] book about this, but there's this thing called microsleep. You don't even realize you sleeping.

[00:37:04] Maybe your eyes are even open, but you wouldn't even wouldn't be able to tell what happened in the last 10 seconds of okay.

[00:37:12] Carl Lanore: [00:37:12] That's scary.

[00:37:13] Ferenc Elekes: [00:37:13] Because you sort of in this my crew sleep kind of thing stays is so if you sleep enough and obviously again, we were not working so we could just. You know sets up our day and and arrange our day in a way that usually we had sufficient sleep and that helped us the next day because we could just focus on the road and it was safe and lucky to say now that after that whole year of driving we had no

[00:37:41] Carl Lanore: [00:37:41] accidents whatsoever.

[00:37:41] Okay, that is really cool. I know. And especially in Europe because I've driven in Europe I've taken off a couple side view mirrors in Ireland. Well, I'm a long time to get to realize being on the other side of the car and the other side of the street. My my depth [00:38:00] perception on my left side was not great.

[00:38:03] But luckily in Ireland all the cars have Breakaway mirrors when you hit the mirror it falls off like this and then if you pick it up and it goes boing and it just popped back into.

[00:38:13] Ferenc Elekes: [00:38:13] Yeah, I told me to be fair. It was we went from Europe like basically last year's trip was maybe 10 percent Europe and the rest was outside Europe, but some of the places were really crazy like in terms of driving, especially China China is just unbelievable incredible driving standards there, but but we were lucky we were repaid.

[00:38:37] Attention all the time and we had enough sleep. So we were focused I think

[00:38:41] Carl Lanore: [00:38:41] so. Do you listen to podcasts in the card? You try to fill your time with things that enrich the journey as opposed to just Mindless numbing repetitive music. Yeah, we

[00:38:53] Ferenc Elekes: [00:38:53] had the list of sort of three things that we've done. So we had we had our playlist like [00:39:00] music.

[00:39:00] The only problem was that Evelyn listen to different kind of music than I do. Listen to rock. She listens to electronic music but this sort of swapped it's a little bit around but as you said, yes, so we've done with listen to podcast as well as audio books and I found those fantastic on the long trip.

[00:39:19] Carl Lanore: [00:39:19] Yeah. I mean I listen to electronic music when I'm doing cardio. Because you're really is it's like it makes you want to move get up and move and I would be very listening to the electronic music on a long drive may actually annoy the crap out of me because you can't get up and move. Its that music makes you want to move but you're confined to your seat.

[00:39:41] So yeah, that's that's really interesting. So did you listen to superhuman radio at all?

[00:39:49] Ferenc Elekes: [00:39:49] I would love to say yes, but unfortunately I have

[00:39:51] Carl Lanore: [00:39:51] no man, you suck. You don't so you never hurt. You never heard the show. 

[00:39:56] Ferenc Elekes: [00:39:56] After the show after the trip, I've heard the show about the [00:40:00] show outside.

[00:40:01] Carl Lanore: [00:40:01] Okay?

[00:40:01] Ferenc Elekes: [00:40:01] Okay.

[00:40:02] Okay

[00:40:02] Carl Lanore: [00:40:02] Fortune. Yeah. Well that was 2018 the next one

[00:40:05] Ferenc Elekes: [00:40:05] the number listener now, I'll listen now.

[00:40:08] Carl Lanore: [00:40:08] We're going to take our last commercial break when we come back. We're going to plug your website and how people can reach you stay tuned. We'll be right back.

[00:40:18] I know a lot of you remember when I did the interview with dr. William seeds about his chill

[00:40:22] Ferenc Elekes: [00:40:22] pill not too long though,

[00:40:24] Carl Lanore: [00:40:24] and unlike a lot of supplements. You know, people have High Hopes. I talked about using it and I noticed a dramatic difference in when I usually like to I was using it to sleep.

[00:40:37] Definitely. It's not like a benzo. It just kind of takes the edge off and makes you relaxed but I think many of you may have heard the new spot that we just produce for. Dr. Seeds.com with Dylan gautreaux. And some of you may even know Dylan from from our Facebook groups and stuff like that. But he he [00:41:00] started on benzodiazepines at eight years old and you know, he's a grown man now and he three years ago.

[00:41:05] He stopped using benzos and he's been struggling with with debilitating anxiety and he doesn't want to take benzos because of the negative effects that they potentially have and he wanted something natural and not ever until the chill pill from dr. Seeds.com. Does he have a natural over-the-counter supplement that he can take while he's having an anxiety attack?

[00:41:29] And it makes it go away and at last he just takes them twice a day now and he doesn't have any problems with anxiety at all. I don't know if people realize how baracus that is. It doesn't inhibit muscle strength. It doesn't make you groggy you don't you don't feel it. All you could notice is not feeling angst all of a sudden about anything in life.

[00:41:53] And it's just a really amazing thing. If you go to dr. Seeds ER SE D s.com. You can save 20% off [00:42:00] by using the code shr. It's a great product Frank. I'm sorry. I had to do that little commercial spot. That's what was sponsor here in the middle of the show. So, how can people reach out? First of all, are you going to continue to Overland?

[00:42:15] I mean this isn't something that you get it out of your system and now you're done. No,

[00:42:20] Ferenc Elekes: [00:42:20] you you cannot I mean it's so addictive and we having a hard time living a normal life this year sort of both working and we've done little trip this year little a couple of trips, but nothing compared to last year.

[00:42:34] So yes, definitely what we're planning to do now is actually by a band but 4 by 4 R and so we can get to places where usual vehicle would have been able to get to because those are the most beautiful places. And and do it a little bit even more full time. So basically with a van we think that we can just you know, even if you know

[00:42:56] Carl Lanore: [00:42:56] whether we're ranked I have to ask you this question because my [00:43:00] audience is thinking it's so are you independently wealthy or do you make money through your journey?

[00:43:07] Ferenc Elekes: [00:43:07] No, we both work. So Evelyn is an online consultant for consultant in online marketing so she can basically work remotely.

[00:43:15] Carl Lanore: [00:43:15] Yeah,

[00:43:15] Ferenc Elekes: [00:43:15] which is good. So she only needs a laptop when we've done the trip last year, which is both quit our jobs or I have a Consulting business some working for a client in London and I do it's an investment company and I do legal projects for them.

[00:43:33] Or a pop of Liga project setting that funds without getting into too much details. So I quit that and I'm back into it this year, you know just saving Gap saving for the next trip because also I'm trying to I'm trying to also but again almost a locational independent because I'm working remotely. I don't actually I'm not actually going to an office every day, right so we can do a little chips in Europe while I'm doing that.

[00:43:58] Otherwise, I'm planning to quit that [00:44:00] band and also set up. Implantable my business some totally independent and I'm actually control of my own time.

[00:44:07] Carl Lanore: [00:44:07] So the web the web site is Overland site s ite.com, right? That's

[00:44:13] Ferenc Elekes: [00:44:13] correct. Yes,

[00:44:14] Carl Lanore: [00:44:14] but you also have a Facebook kind of fan page, don't you?

[00:44:19] Ferenc Elekes: [00:44:19] Yeah, we do.

[00:44:19] It's also called Overland site. Most of the information is on the website really covering our chips, but also trying to give people advice on what gear to use. And also just general knowledge share really like it whatever our experience is rather than just talking about what happened on our trips.

[00:44:42] They also say okay actually when you planning your chip do these so bring this with you don't bring that or how to use something safely when you're out

[00:44:55] Carl Lanore: [00:44:55] and I think there's obviously. Enough people out there who are [00:45:00] overlanders today that organizations are going to be formed and makes perfect sense for you to focus on being a Pioneer in the blogging area of that, you know, I mean align yourself with a giant there's got to be sponsors out there because Overland is probably by Coleman stoves, or maybe they don't have.

[00:45:19] Ferenc Elekes: [00:45:19] Oh, yeah. Absolutely. That's the kind of products that people buy and use yes. You're right sponsored

[00:45:26] Carl Lanore: [00:45:26] by that. I mean, I I've hunted since I was 17 years old and I've spent a lot of time in the woods, you know, obviously hunting. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, there's so many good sponsors and and one other question, I just had.

[00:45:43] So and this is the very American question you bring any guns with you. If you encounter wild animals wild people you have to defend yourself.

[00:45:55] Ferenc Elekes: [00:45:55] No, but funny, we laugh. We have a we have an article about how to keep safe how [00:46:00] to be safe when you're on the road and you can again I mean obviously in Europe you wouldn't bring a gun anywhere but we had a pepper spray pepper spray with us.

[00:46:09] And that was the only gun we had we had that we had an X like it's not that I would ever use it against unliving anything because I. It's just about how to use it. First of all, but a pepper spray was basically used or not used but I brought it for the purpose of you know, just the Last Resorts. If I don't know we are camping in the middle of nowhere in Kazakhstan and then 10 drunk

[00:46:34] Carl Lanore: [00:46:34] people to they want to really want to steal your stuff or something.

[00:46:37] Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Oh, yeah, but yeah look, you know for some reason in society today observing your own safety. Is almost seen as an aggressive? Thing where you have to explain yourself and I mean II have have used a known gun since I was a young man. I've hunted [00:47:00] I've never killed anybody.

[00:47:01] I've never stuck up a liquor store. I've never done any of those things that people think make guns bad, but at the same time II when you talk about it, you feel like you have to defend yourself like oh, you know, I you know, I'm going to take a gun to be safe. Oh why you shouldn't have

[00:47:19] Ferenc Elekes: [00:47:19] to. Nothing actually happened.

[00:47:21] I mean we were on the road through the poorest places in the world. So you in Africa or in Central Asia and we're on the road for 10 months in I think it was 13 or 14 different countries and nothing ever happened. Like people always say after we arrived home everybody else or what happened. What was the worst?

[00:47:43] We're smolin's of the chief what happened at the you feel unsafe at any point and the answer is no never nothing nothing happened and it wasn't even close to be dangerous.

[00:47:54] Carl Lanore: [00:47:54] How many people were in your Caravan? How many vehicles let's.

[00:47:58] Ferenc Elekes: [00:47:58] In [00:48:00] so closely in Africa, we would like sort of four to five cars it varies a little bit because of this bigger but to Singapore with job alone except for the partner in China where we we teamed up with when an Italian Friend jumpy arrow and Nielsen wasn't from Holland and we just had to share it's a long story, but we have to share China.

[00:48:23] As an organized trip because it's really complicated and it's very expensive as well. But the rest of the trip we were completely on our own independent.

[00:48:33] Carl Lanore: [00:48:33] So, is there a forum where overlanders communicate like how did you hook up with the guy from from Italy at that point in your trip? And was it planned or did you check aside and it's like, oh we're going to be here we'll hang out

[00:48:46] Ferenc Elekes: [00:48:46] with.

[00:48:47] Yeah, so most people who wants to drive through China and you can't really avoid it because it's just, you know, if you want to get through southeast Asia or if you driving from sales from let's say Australia or from [00:49:00] Indonesia to Europe Chinese just there unless you want to drive through Pakistan days these two main role fruits, but if you decide to try to China then you through your research, you're going to find out that you can't just show up at the border and Drive-In.

[00:49:14] You have to have permissions you have to go through different agencies. You having the tour guide with you all the time in China who sits with you in the car by the way, like a tour guide and all this has to be organized and it's quite expensive. So what people usually do and there's a faceless several Facebook groups around over landing and one specifically for Asia and that's what people just post like.

[00:49:40] Look. I'm planning to cross in. Looking for two more vehicles to cross with let's group up then so we jump here a lot and there's the the Italian friend of ours and the guys from. They were also in these groups. So [00:50:00] one of us accountable who posted that they want to go through China at the end of the summer last year and I just replied to one of the threads and we started talking and we had six months worth of you know, phone calls and emails and organization and eventually we met in Mongolia was fantastic.

[00:50:18] Carl Lanore: [00:50:18] Wow, that is so cool. And can I ask how old

[00:50:24] Ferenc Elekes: [00:50:24] for her? I'm

[00:50:25] Carl Lanore: [00:50:25] 39.

[00:50:27] Ferenc Elekes: [00:50:27] Okay? Okay. Yeah, so your land and by the way like the so because we started the conversation with how long our trip was. Well the couple that I mentioned this and lets it from the Netherlands they started their trip.  three three months before ours wow and dangerous.

[00:50:49] They just gone past for the first two weeks ago on the way back to home

[00:50:54] Carl Lanore: [00:50:54] two weeks ago now just two weeks

[00:50:55] Ferenc Elekes: [00:50:55] ago. Yeah. Yeah, so that chick is like

[00:50:58] Carl Lanore: [00:50:58] year and a half. [00:51:00] Yeah. Yeah. Wow, that's that's amazing and and it's and it's and it's an envious lifestyle its kind of Carefree. Is that an illusion? Is it really Carefree or is that just as much

[00:51:11] Ferenc Elekes: [00:51:11] stress?

[00:51:12] There is there's a lot that you have to tackle a like issues. They leashes but it's fun. I mean the next border is like okay, we have to figure out how to get to Georgia from turkey and it's a or you know, Russia. We went through chechnya, which is like, you know, what used to be a war zone. The many people think still is but it isn't it's completely safe.

[00:51:33] But so these are the kind of problems you have to solve or maybe you're running low on fuel and then you have to figure out okay. Where is the next fuel station if you. If the next one that you plan to use is actually closed something but also like we quit our job most people quit their job or maybe sell their business sell their house.

[00:51:51] We met many different stories, but for example, the person that we travel through China with jumpy Arrow, he's on the road now, but he's doing it [00:52:00] in stages so he does three months. Did three months last year then flies backwards a little bit and then that leaves he left his car in

[00:52:08] Carl Lanore: [00:52:08] Laos high so I can thank you and

[00:52:11] Ferenc Elekes: [00:52:11] now he's in Cambodia continuing his true and it's going to drive around the world but in stages,

[00:52:17] Carl Lanore: [00:52:17] that's so cool.

[00:52:18] That's very very cool. Yeah and

[00:52:20] Ferenc Elekes: [00:52:20] still have to give up on your regular life. Yeah. No,

[00:52:24] Carl Lanore: [00:52:24] I get it. I get it. I get it and live like gypsies. Basically really when you think about it, but it's a it's a very exciting life and I think a lot of people hear your story and they think wow. I wish I could just get up and take off and do that.

[00:52:38] But but it's it's set with its own. It has its own set of challenges and stresses and it's not like just disappearing one day. I think it is, you know. Yeah, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work.

[00:52:55] Ferenc Elekes: [00:52:55] There is someone who came

[00:52:56] Carl Lanore: [00:52:56] out this one more time. Do you have an Instagram? You [00:53:00] have to have an Instagram right?

[00:53:01] Ferenc Elekes: [00:53:01] I do have an Easter. Yeah, man. It's actually going pretty pretty well. Now what

[00:53:05] Carl Lanore: [00:53:05] give your give your Instagram account information?

[00:53:08] Ferenc Elekes: [00:53:08] It's called Overland sites the same as the website Overland site. I mean

[00:53:13] Carl Lanore: [00:53:13] you got to anybody who's in Overlander. He's got to have some amazing photographic opportunities in some places in the world that no one has ever been.

[00:53:21] I have to believe you have some of the best pictures on your Instagram a site of anybody of any but

[00:53:27] Ferenc Elekes: [00:53:27] yeah, there's some there's some good ones. I think yes.

[00:53:30] Carl Lanore: [00:53:30] Well Joe, will you are you planning to come to the United States and driving through the United States? I

[00:53:36] Ferenc Elekes: [00:53:36] did that before and I plan to do it again.

[00:53:39] Yes. I was very young. I was driving up and down when the on the east coast and it was fantastic. That was like my first overlapping it was just a big

[00:53:48] Carl Lanore: [00:53:48] so where did you start? Where did you start and where did you

[00:53:50] Ferenc Elekes: [00:53:50] and I spent three months in New Hampshire and then I went down all the way to Florida and back to New York.

[00:53:56] Carl Lanore: [00:53:56] Wow. Wow, that is a long trip from New Hampshire to Florida. That's a [00:54:00] long

[00:54:01] Ferenc Elekes: [00:54:01] six and a half days as well. So it's mad. Yeah.

[00:54:04] Carl Lanore: [00:54:04] No, I know. I listen. It's been great talking to you. I'm happy that you're enjoying your life. That's the important thing. Trust me on that.

[00:54:15] Ferenc Elekes: [00:54:15] Thank you.

[00:54:15] Carl Lanore: [00:54:15] I'm 61 now and I've enjoyed my life every single bit of it.

[00:54:19] I have nothing. I regret in my life at all zero but keep in touch. Let us know how things are going. If you come up with any other strategies to help people who drive long hours. Oh, look at this. Look at this jump hero. There you go. Folks said I just entered it Cambodia or Cambogia.

[00:54:39] Ferenc Elekes: [00:54:39] That's Cambodia.

[00:54:41] And that's what I thought was probably typing on his phone

[00:54:43] Carl Lanore: [00:54:43] now. So he's and he's a friend of yours. He's a friend of yours.

[00:54:46] Ferenc Elekes: [00:54:46] He's the guy I mentioned but he's very bad with he's very bad with technology. I have to say and I'm sure he listens now

[00:54:54] Carl Lanore: [00:54:54] good and tune into the show more often because at least you can learn something while you're driving [00:55:00] thousands and thousands of miles.

[00:55:01] Listen, thanks so much for being on the show. Sorry we didn't get to. Thank you Evelyn, and thank you for riding me about your your journey. It's wonderful to hear you. Okay?

[00:55:11] Ferenc Elekes: [00:55:11] Thank you very

[00:55:11] Carl Lanore: [00:55:11] much. Thank you. Thank you and we'll see everybody Monday with more superhuman radio tuning then and thank you for being here. [00:56:00]