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[00:00:26] Hey, welcome back to another episode of superhuman radio. Today is October 7 2019 for those of you listening to the show a hundred years from now and you'll realize that why this audience is thrived and live so long. Because we're not caught in the whole mainstream subterfuge of misinformation about Health and Longevity.

[00:00:46] And today we're going to be talking about something that really has become very very popular first discussions. I had about red light therapy with my friend Ron Penna he and he was a Believer way before I was not that I [00:01:00] wasn't a Believer and we're going to talk about this. But the research coming out now on red light therapy is you can't ignore it any longer, right?

[00:01:11] And I'm going to bring my guest right on this is Scott Chiavari of mitel Redlight.com. How you doing Scott?

[00:01:20] Scott Chaverri: [00:01:20] I'm fantastic. How are you? Call

[00:01:21] great. Great. Thanks for being here. So, you know. Red light therapy has been around for quite a while, but it's just starting to actually become more interesting to the mainstream before we get into science and applications and some of the things that it's probably good for.

[00:01:40] Oh, look at this Ahmed Ahmed from Beirut Lebanon listening live watching live. Thank you very much for being here. Yeah, so why did you even get into this whole. Well

[00:01:55] Scott Chaverri: [00:01:55] bit of a long story, but I'll try to make it concise and I've been into health and [00:02:00] wellness for probably since I was a teenager when I was dealing with some health issues, but probably pretty intensely for the past 15 years, and I'm one of those types of folks I like.

[00:02:10] Try whatever it's kind of new whiz-bang supplements on the market or whatever sort of Gadget. There is you know, I've got a sauna got a vibration plate you name it and so a couple years ago. I bought one of these red light panels that kind of but one of the full-body ones are what we call full body is 36 inch panels use it on and off mostly off for the first year or so and then about a year and a half ago.

[00:02:35] I dusted it off and started using it regularly. It's interesting because I live in Phoenix. And

[00:02:42] yeah, you would think that you get enough sun right? I get plenty of light lived. I lived in Tempe. Nobody in Arizona get sun because you go from the garage to your office and your car and I was out in the sun well

[00:02:54] Scott Chaverri: [00:02:54] and not only that but basically, you know from mid-may to mid-september it is so brutally [00:03:00] hot outside that you know, you don't want to be outside never mind in the sun outside.

[00:03:04] So. So I started using the light I want to say like March and start using it regularly March April and then I noticed as the summer came around and I spending less time outside. I was using the light and longer. This very not consciously I was just wanting to use it more and and I was noticing benefits and then I was like, you know what I only buy another one of these and try to upgrade my rig and when I went and I back out into the marketplace after not being on the more, you know after not buying a light for 18 months or so, I was surprised at how expensive they were.

[00:03:40] All right. So that was really the Genesis of it. It was like damn I don't want to spend you know, 1200 1500 dollars on a light. Let me see if I can find something less expensive I couldn't so then I went searching for its Dawn. I mean it might be a business opportunity

[00:03:58] right now. There's a [00:04:00] white space.

[00:04:00] Like wow, these things are so expensive and the desire to own one is growing and so who's going to bring something better at a I like to say intelligently price. Because you can't get these things from near free cuz there's a lot of technology in them. But, you know, bring an intelligently priced one because I got to be honest with you.

[00:04:21] I looked at a big name in the in the space. I was like, I'm not buying one of these for that. That's ridiculous. It's like I get it I understand and some real benefits to it. But I you know Bennett when you look at how much money you got to lay out for one versus the proceeds benefit. It's like nah, I'll just wait until a guy like Scott shh, very comes along and says I could do a better one less expensively and we're going to talk about that here in a second.

[00:04:52] So you find yourself in this business and and it's an interesting story. I happen to know a little bit about LEDs. [00:05:00] Because there's a company in the in the Pacific Northwest called Anodyne research. Then we talked about this you and I are ready.

[00:05:12] Scott Chaverri: [00:05:12] You mentioned it

[00:05:13] you miss and that and back in 2002.

[00:05:17] They had a thing for neuropathy and it was 890 nanometer LEDs and they got it patented. And approved by the FDA and Clinics were putting them in and charging patients crazy amounts of money insurance companies were in some cases paying but another is not my father had real bad neuropathy in his hands and his feet and I thought you know, I used to be in the the two-way radio and mobile telephone business.

[00:05:46] I can build stuff breadboard it if I have to. I thought I'll just you know, so I went to son LED and I bought a whole bag of 880 because I couldn't get 8 90s. They were a special but [00:06:00] 880 is what's used in most remote controls to control TVs and stuff like that. And when I looked at. The literature on the LED I was like wow, like like the the narrowest point in the center, which was only about 40% of the lighted put out was 880 the aberration around the edge was 890 and above.

[00:06:19] I was like this is going to work and I saw I built him basically out of canvas, you know for pads the most expensive thing was the power supply. I mean the power supply was huge. I had to put it in a big Square breadbox can. And he would plug it in and sit watch TV with the we made gloves out of the one pad so he could put them on his hands and the other ones he would just put on the bottom of his feet and keep his feet on them and they worked and you know, like like that was the moment for me that I started to pay attention to light.

[00:06:52] I was like, wow, this is this is amazing that you can expose an area of your body to a specific wavelength [00:07:00] and have magic. And and how can we not think that this damn fluorescent light is doing exactly the opposite to our bodies, right?

[00:07:11] Scott Chaverri: [00:07:11] Yeah, it's funny. How how we both take we take it for granted.

[00:07:16] We take life for granted

[00:07:17] don't even

[00:07:17] Scott Chaverri: [00:07:17] think it was also we also because it's so ubiquitous. All right, and then I'm there by the same token something like a light bulb. We just assume or for a long time. I think we assume that there were no detrimental. Right. Oh, it's night time throw the light on who can't wait I need light and now obviously we understand that.

[00:07:37] You know, it's probably not the best idea to be turning on bright lights in the in the evening or after Sunset and so I'm really excited about kind of this kind of change in mindset and understanding that an obviously like to so important would be no life without light but even understanding, you know, it really looking at it from through the prism pun intended of.

[00:07:59] How we [00:08:00] evolved and how we've strayed from how we've evolved? Yes, and my

[00:08:04] being light being you know light actually is part of our evolutionary trajectory and influenced our physiology and our biology and now all of a sudden we're like sitting on the artificial light all day long or oh the sun is bad for you.

[00:08:20] It's like whoa, wait a minute like these things actually influenced who we are today.

[00:08:27] Scott Chaverri: [00:08:27] And

[00:08:28] same with fire. Yeah

[00:08:29] Scott Chaverri: [00:08:29] for on a lot of ways fire too and not just in terms of I don't know if you've read sapiens, but in terms of how being able to cook food and change their digestive tracts or brains could grow but also the derailment obviously the near and red light that comes from fire.

[00:08:46] So but yes you and I completely on the same page. I mean I so red and near-infrared light devices, but. The first thing I would tell folks when they ask me about the subject is probably need to get out in the sun more

[00:08:59] and [00:09:00] I think that's the other thing I like about you. Like, you know, you understand that this is supplemental, right?

[00:09:05] This is kind of like supplements, right? We take supplements, but food is important no one saying no avoid food and just take supplements and and the fact that direct sunlight is. For our health and well-being, but actually using the supplemental light sources to counteract these supplemental light sources that are raining down on us all the time and we just ignore it.

[00:09:29] It's really unfortunate Leigh it's needed today because we are living under artificial light all the time.  All

[00:09:37] Scott Chaverri: [00:09:37] steps and or not getting some light right here, even if you know for indoors. We're not cars are not cubicles are no homes were just not getting sunlight. So it it does make sense from that angle to supplement with with certain types of light.

[00:09:53] Right. So let's let's let's talk a little bit about red light therapy now, so you're sure your units are not [00:10:00] exclusively just red light. This is something I misunderstood perhaps

[00:10:04] so there there 5050 red 6 60 nanometers and near-infrared 850 nanometer.

[00:10:11] That's beautiful. I didn't realize that you know, because the near-infrared you don't see unless you know if we get that question.

[00:10:19] So here's a funny fact is this thing broken? Yeah, right. Some of the LEDs aren't lining up. So so interesting fact, so I had another lifetime I was in the alarm business and we installed cameras video systems, you know for deterrence and and analytics and Banks and stuff like that and a CD. Write a chip that's used in just about every camera.

[00:10:44] Probably my iPhone to if you point that at near infrared Source, you will see the light source using the chip camera. So those of you who have a remote control at home that has a little LED in the front. If you point it at your cell [00:11:00] phone camera and pop it you'll probably see it flicker because CCD cameras can pick up certain wavelengths at a nice.

[00:11:08] Visible to the naked eye. There's an interesting year trick that you can try and the reality is I recently wrote a blog post specifically about this phenomenon. The blog post was I got a scan down here.  Was the son what you don't see can save your life. So there are wavelengths that are considered visible wavelengths raining down on us from the Sun but there are wavelengths that are not considered in the visible spectrum that may be as important if not more important and one of those is this near-infrared light source that you're talking about right now.

[00:11:47] Why did you include it? Like what everybody else is just going read? Why did you include it?

[00:11:55] Well when you look at the research, it's pretty clear that 632 [00:12:00] 708 900 are kind of the sweet spots for for benefits. And yeah, you'll find like the read-only devices a lot of times their foreskin like hair the and hair. Yes. I knew a guy a decade ago that made those helmets, but you by made him in his garage he by like a thousand diodes.

[00:12:24] Just one by one put them in a helmet because we knew back then that it worked, you know that it works. And so and so yes of skin hair is red, but near-infrared, you know for things like that need to penetrate deeper arthritis joint pain muscle recovery. So it kind of makes sense to combine them. We know they both work and they work for different things.

[00:12:47] And so it makes sense to kind of combine them and get the best of both and I happen to believe that this probably. I'm using both at the same time just like as you said I haven't read your article, but I would imagine like with the [00:13:00] sun there's Synergy with sunlight

[00:13:01] absolutely and you know why they're Synergy.

[00:13:04] We all look at these things and go. Wow, that's amazing. It's because for millions of years this spectrum. Of light from the sun actually molded us and then we become surprised like oh when you when you use them together, there's better. Yeah, because we evolved with this. Together the mistake we make today is the pharmaceutical approach that we isolate this one component of thousand from something and go this is it and it never works out that way because we find out that there are synergies between other thing and we act surprised.

[00:13:40] It's like no for millions of years. We've been doing it this way. You can't just rip something out now and go. Oh just this. So make perfect sense to add both that that red and near-infrared together because they rain down on us together side by side.

[00:13:58] Exactly like a pretty agree with you [00:14:00] and then one other point I would make and you kind of made it earlier is LEDs are referred to as monochromatic.

[00:14:05] But the reality is is that the light that comes out. It's a bell curve. So it's not just all 660. It's a bell curve around 660 and it's a bell curve around me 50 Peaks. We've not had independent testing done. And if you go to our website go to one of my blog posts independent test results. I show the bell curve.

[00:14:24] But in it, but basically you get between six and seven hundred in between eight and nine hundred peaking at 6:16 850. So it's not again. So we're not because I'm a I completely agree with you and I even with supplements. I'm very skeptical of taking. Certain things by themselves whether it's vitamin D or I didn't see or whatever the case may be.

[00:14:45] I think that there's Synergy and Whole Foods. So even when I supplement I tend to gravitate toward Whole Food supplements unless I'm using it for something very specific and targeted and so our lights are that way too. I mean you're getting the Spectrum, but you're just getting the [00:15:00] maximum at these kind of.

[00:15:03] Proven wavelength

[00:15:04] right right and that's a that's a really good point because people think it's just monochromatic. It's just one thing it's not it's it's a spectrum around that as well. And that's why the red and near-infrared go so well together because they just literally overlap and it continued that spectrum that you would get normally from the Sun.

[00:15:22] So now let's talk about your company first of all a little bit further. Are you pretty much the lowest priced red light therapy panel out there today for what you get. 

[00:15:40] I believe so. So I certainly that's what we're trying to offer. We're trying to offer.

[00:15:49] Most Jewels for the buck if not most irradiance for the dollar and if you go to our site and we do some comparisons versus competitors and you know, and we try to be [00:16:00] as transparent as we can. We've had independent testing done and you know in the flip side there are certain things that are lights don't include we don't have a nap.

[00:16:10] We don't have a built-in timer. It's basically everything you need to have the power and the wavelengths that you want. And nothing that you don't need and and honestly as a business person, I like that because having a very simple design there's less things that can break. I should have less warranty issues over time, right and and also allows me to keep the cost.

[00:16:33] I mean if you want a timer you can go to any hardware store for about six dollars and buy a timer that plugs into an outlet and you plug into that and set the time for 15 minutes and lay there. I mean if that's what you need or you could use the you can use the app of the time our app on your phone to beep when it's when you're done.

[00:16:49] So

[00:16:50] I use it I use an egg timer. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:16:54] Yeah, so that's it. I mean now LEDs are notoriously long-lasting to [00:17:00] begin.

[00:17:01] Right. Yes,

[00:17:02] are there some that are better than others in that aspect and do you use that type of an LED? That's a real long-lasting LED

[00:17:11] we do. I think the LEDs that are used in this space are pretty consistent.

[00:17:17] You'll see them rated for 50,000 hours is typically the

[00:17:21] that's what the rate of heart.

[00:17:22] Five minutes a day. It's 822 years. I think so, you know, I

[00:17:27] tend to doubt you have to handle down you're going to have to hand it down in your will to somebody else.

[00:17:32] Yes and all they ask me they say I am because you know when I get a warranty questions I say, well it really should be no issues with the LEDs themselves.

[00:17:41] I mean if something I mean there's the LEDs the fans in the power supplies the LEDs should last quote unquote forever. And the fans for the fans and so the most likely point of failure would be the power supplies, which I could easily replace or a wire sometimes could come loose, you know, these things get shipped around the world and sometimes a wire can come loose [00:18:00] but but the LEDs themselves, there should be no issues with whatsoever.

[00:18:04] I want to put this back up again because Ahmed is is talking about a company in the UK whose product he's looking at and because because these. Light panels are so well made and so expensive but you are have been so aggressive with pricing. We can't do a high close low clothes. We can't say hey 50% off today because these are already the lowest prices you're going to see for a comparable product out there today, but my listeners get an additional 10% off plus free shipping in the USA and deeply deeply discounted shipping outside the USA, isn't that correct?

[00:18:43] It

[00:18:44] is it is I just got a couple of orders going Australia and they only paid a big life. They paid 70 bucks. I really try to subsidize it. I have a lot of a lot of fans in Australia. I'm really liking it.

[00:18:56] Why do you think that is why Australia think there's something about the [00:19:00] light? No,

[00:19:01] I don't know.

[00:19:01] I'm here perhaps just. The culture maybe they're just more in tune with this but I get a lot of emails from Australia.

[00:19:10] That's really cool. That's really so I'm mad. You may want to check out my toe red light.com. And use the coupon code shr and see how much you can get a unit shipped to you in Beirut.

[00:19:23] It may actually be cheaper to do business with this company than the company that's in the UK. So check check that out for sure. Okay. So let's talk a little bit about science for a second will start getting into this. This is really exciting. So a cursory review of red light therapy legitimate science not blog post.

[00:19:45] Promoted by the National Institutes of Health yields that these light panels are good for everything from. Eradicating fine lines and wrinkles, which is really popular with women because as you can see, I have [00:20:00] Jimmy Hoffa hidden in one of these I just have to stick my finger in and get them out. I used to do TV, and they were like Carl we have to go to high def.

[00:20:09] You're gonna have to do something about your forehead. I'm like, I'm not doing anything. This is me. So but the other thing is that I've started to notice is the profound. Effects on mitochondria mitochondria is everything right? Aubrey de grey brilliant guys been on my show a couple times over the years.

[00:20:27] He is the guy who postulated the mitochondrial theory on Aging we also have had dr. Thomas Seyfried on the show twice who wrote the book that is groundbreaking and wants them most medical author doxy enlistees want to ignore it, but, you know cancer as a metabolic disorder. What disease focuses on mitochondrial changing changes being Domino one in the development of cancer?

[00:20:54] Not genetics the mitochondria switches to anaerobic respiration [00:21:00] and and then the gene inside the cell the oncogene flips and then the cancer starts. So when we start talking about the mitochondria, we're not just talking about energy. Oh, yeah, you know I have. You know, I'm exhausted all the time.

[00:21:15] I think it's my mitochondria. No mitochondria really is linked back to a lot of different diseases and one of the things that this type of a Light Panel does is influence mitochondria. How does it do that? 

[00:21:28] Well, that's the consensus is that that's the primary mechanism of action and that's why. It seems to help with so many different things whether it's hair loss or skin or Muscle Recovery or joints and or inflammation it it does seem or come across as a bit of a magic pill, but that's because it's the primary mechanism of action is increasing ATP production in the mitochondria, and so essentially increases.

[00:21:57] Mitochondria is ability to create [00:22:00] cellular energy. And if the cells have more energy they can essentially just do their jobs better. Whatever it is that their job is so that's essentially how it works and then we can get into the biochemistry a little bit and in terms of red and near-infrared light and what it does.

[00:22:20] Inside the mitochondria essentially if you're familiar with the electron chance for transport chain that phase of ATP production it essentially moves if protons from the inner mitochondria into the area between the inner and outer mitochondrial membrane, and when that happens, it increases kind of this electrical gradient between that part of the mitochondria and the inner mitochondria and that creates potential.

[00:22:49] And so the proton wants to go back to where if there are lower concentrations of protons, right? So that's potential energy and when it and the mitochondria simply uses that potential energy [00:23:00] and it's an ATP ATP production. I mean, that's it nuts and bolts. That's how it works. 

[00:23:05] You know, it's really interesting because I did a show a couple years ago with dr.

[00:23:10] Laszlo's boros, who is. The only guy out there talking about the role of deuterium, which is double bonded hydrogen and how it and how it fouls up that electron transfer process in the mitochondria. And it's his belief that that is what flips the switch on the mitochondria to Make It Sick So that cancer starts now his theory is not held.

[00:23:43] By a lot of people who understand mitochondrial function and its role in cancer, but it is an interesting concept this whole thing about deuterium. I would love to find out and I'm going to when we go to the break, I'm going to look at see if there's any [00:24:00] research on the effects of phototherapy whether it's from the Sun or anything on.

[00:24:05] Deuterium because the problem with your curium is it's called heavy water. They use deuterium in nuclear reactors. It's called heavy water. And we do have a certain amount of deuterium naturally in our bodies. We get it from food there is evidence that it's in water and so but but that bond that double bonded hydrogen, you know, I guess it's like H2.

[00:24:32] Oh to something. But anyway, I don't know the exact molecular formula for deuterium but breaking down deuterium into a more simpler single hydrogen bond appears to have some benefits for overall health. I'm going to look during the commercial when we take our commercial first commercial break if there's any effect on phototherapy on deuterium because I have a funny feeling there is.

[00:24:55] I have a funny feeling here is because and that's what probably protected us [00:25:00] from accumulating too much deuterium before we became civilized. That's just a guess of. So vitamin D production is all the rage and I've talked on my show and we're going to talk about vitamin D in a second for those people who want to know what effect a Light Panel like this has on vitamin D.

[00:25:17] But so years ago. I started talking about the Milano court and system. This audience knows about it Milano Milano court and system is what stimulates tanning there are four Milano courtin receptors on every cell they are responsible for dramatic. A dramatically crushing chronic inflammation. They are responsible for arteries reabsorbing plaque.

[00:25:42] In fact, if you have arterial plaque if you went for a calcium scan and your doc says, oh wow, you know, you got a 50 on this one here. We got to do something about start laying in the sun. In fact, I have a blog post about this from like five years ago start laying in the Sun moved to Hawaii move to Arizona lay in the Sun as often as possible.

[00:25:59] The [00:26:00] plaque will be gone in a year just like that. You want to change your diet of nothing but the Milano coordinate. Appears to affect libido. Microbial diversity pushing people towards a more lean microbiome. It affects energy consumption where you tend to burn more calories and you can stay leaner when we look at them Milano court and system.

[00:26:23] We realize that all of the things that have been promised to us by vitamin D and and it has failed mood changes seems to those promises seem to be kept. Buy them a lot of court system and that's why you know, what if you're out in the sun vitamin D goes up. They look at Vitamin D OE vitamin D is the reason everything is going great, but it's really the Milano corn system.

[00:26:46] So I found this study right before the show and I gleaned it and the study is called visible light induces Milano Genesis in human skin through photo adaptive response. [00:27:00] Well guess which frequencies. Seemed to have the most profound effect that stimulating the Milano Court in system.  It's between 600 and 700.

[00:27:13] and they actually have pictures of skin that is not exposed to the Sun and they show that there's a mild tanning like that is Magic if you tan you see how can I am I stay in the sun all I can. If you tan you're activating the Milano court and system, if you're activating the Milano court and system, then you are actually suppressing chronic inflammation doing all these wonderful things for your body.

[00:27:37] So guess what light doesn't like fluorescent like this stuff here doesn't activate that at all.  I thought that was very interesting. No,

[00:27:46] you're absolutely right. I think so. It is pretty pretty well understood that the the red light spectrum it does help protect. From UV and so that that's probably one of the [00:28:00] mechanisms and I had another it's also used for Vitiligo.

[00:28:03] If you're familiar with Vitiligo.

[00:28:05] That's what your skin starts changing colors like my reaction, right?

[00:28:08] Yeah, Mike Michael Jackson and I had a customer call me and she said, you know, she had bit of ligo. And it's tough because they can't be out in the sun at all. I got it was depend issue saying she had to be very covered up and she said she stayed in an apartment where they had one of those infrared does red near infrared bulbs in the shower or something and she noticed that it got better.

[00:28:30] That's just from using that right. And so so that's what she was inquiring about getting a panel. But yes, I mean I'd this is known this is known. I mean, it's it can add the pigmentation probably through the what? Well, I know court and system have you saying yeah correctly and it's used for Vitiligo, which I think is.

[00:28:49] Amazing frankly if you because what we were saying is, you know, you could use it as a stepping stone to get pigment back in your skin so that you can go out in the

[00:28:57] sun. Right and then the sun will do the rest for you exactly, right? [00:29:00] Yeah brilliant. So one of the magical things that the near-infrared does is it liberates nitric oxide from hemoglobin in fact near-infrared was approved by the FDA.

[00:29:17] To treat people with bedsores, you know, they're in a bad every day for years. They've got diseases they end up with these open wounds from laying in the same spot all the time. So when you put 882 900 nanometers on that wound, it heals faster, like like it heals as opposed to just staying open and festering for years and what the science behind it is.

[00:29:41] It shows that these wavelengths. Nitric oxide from hemoglobin and nitric oxide starts to rebuild scaffolding of skin and blood vessels and new nerves and you know, it's very very important for tissue regeneration. Well, [00:30:00] guess one of the reasons for male pattern balding so male pattern balding has been shown to be related to poor blood flow two-thirds of the men studied in a study that was probably done.

[00:30:13] Ten years ago showed that they had poor blood flow to their scalp and the re so you talked about the guy who made the helmet. So in 2008, I was living in Phoenix. I took an old milk jug right right on the other side of the handle plastic milk jugs. I cut it out. And I put eight those are some of those 889 Amita LEDs that I got from my dad in there wire them together to a 9 volt battery and I could put it right inside a ball cap, and I thought I'm going to stop manufacturing and selling these I didn't do a damn thing with it.

[00:30:49] But I thought you know, you could put your favorite ball cap on and put this in there with the 9 volt battery and just wear it for a couple hours a day and it would stimulate nitric oxide production in the scalp which would then open up [00:31:00] blood vessels. And once you start opening a blood vessels you start to feed these hair follicles again, and they can come back.

[00:31:08] They're not dead for ever. This is a big misunderstanding follicles. Go to sleep all the time. Look at somebody who's had chemotherapy. They lose all their hair it all comes back. But the nitric oxide production of this also would be valuable in training and Recovery. You said that people use them for Recovery?

[00:31:27] How would you use it? 

[00:31:30] Well, you'd use it you'd use near-infrared like you said primarily and you want to use a kind of a heavier dose. I think typically the consensus is a biphasic those response. So with the red. It the curve is shifted to the left to the left to eat less, but for things like Muscle Recovery.

[00:31:53] And training recovery you want a longer dose? So you probably more along around the lines of 15 minutes or so in front of [00:32:00] our white like ours. I think what's interesting about Muscle Recovery and red and near-infrared light is like you said, it increases nitric oxide. So it's going to help get and and also microcirculation, so it's going to help get the blood and the nutrients the muscles, but it also reduces inflammation.

[00:32:18] I could get information from from exercise. And so and so you get like less delayed onset muscle soreness surprised like that. So it's a nice one-two punch and the other thing that's really interesting and we mentioned this before we got on is. Let me get moving you get talk about ATP production again kind of the magic inside the mitochondria.

[00:32:38] Is this enzyme or photoreceptors cytochrome C oxidase? Which combines with oxygen to make ATP? What's interesting? Is that oxygen and nitric oxide can compete in the mitochondria for have affinity for cytochrome C oxidase? But the red and near-infrared light inhibits cytochrome C oxidase from binding with nitric oxide [00:33:00] and so it favors oxygen so a favors ATP production and so it's interesting that it can increase systemic Nitric.

[00:33:09] Which is probably something that you want, you know, if you want to try if you wanted some wouldn't a pencil or if you want to regrow your hair if you want to recover your muscles, but inside the mitochondria, you want oxygen and cytochrome C oxidase to do their magic and the red and near-infrared light facilitates

[00:33:27] that interesting how deep does this penetrate because one of the things that I loved when I'm laying in the sun is I imagine.

[00:33:36] That the inside the viscera the the cavity inside my body is receiving some of that light. I mean if you had a blanket over your head and you out in the sun some of the sun gets through you can see kind of through the blanket, but how deep does this stuff penetrate? 

[00:33:52] Anywhere from a couple centimeters for a couple inches.

[00:33:55] That's I think yeah, I think well, that's the difference between and [00:34:00] because look there's blue light yellow light Etc. But those don't penetrate very deep and and one of the simple ways that we've all experienced. This is if you put a light up to your finger like a flashlight up to your finger.

[00:34:12] What comes through it's red. Yeah. All right, and so the red and near-infrared or what penetrate deep is the body of how and it's why they're able to have the benefits.

[00:34:21] Interesting. So so interesting. This really is very cool. I want to take our first commercial break, but I'm going to put this up again for those of you who may be leaving us in the break.

[00:34:31] You can go to my toe red light.com use the code shr get that only 10% off already the lowest price you're going to find on the internet for this quality. Of product with both red and near-infrared LEDs in it very very high power LEDs and we'll talk about that a little bit in a minute and on top of that inside the u.s.

[00:34:53] Get free shipping and outside the US get deeply discounted shipping. That'll make it worthwhile. [00:35:00] For you to check them out. We're gonna take a quick commercial break. We'll be right back with more scotch a very stay tuned. Welcome back to Super going to radio with talking with scaccia. Very we're talking about his product might already light at the website might already light.com.

[00:35:14] So there's all different sized panels, right?  We've got four for give me an idea of range from what to what.

[00:35:23] So while we're on video so I can show you this we got the small unit here. You see that's about a foot high.

[00:35:29] Okay. Yeah move over closer to you you to your body. There you go. Now we can say yeah.

[00:35:34] It blasted.

[00:35:36] Oh, wow. Yeah, that's cool.

[00:35:39] Yeah, they are bright everybody. They will blind you not literally, but

[00:35:44] yeah, and I guess we gotta keep your eyes

[00:35:45] closed. Yeah. Yeah, so that is 12 inches and then we have another panel which is the mid which is about 19 inches and then we get into what we call the full body range.

[00:35:56] So a 36 inch panel. Which [00:36:00] is 36 inches, but if you stand back 12 inches from it. The light will fan out. You can get kind of ugly get a good five feet of coverage head to toe and then and then we have another 36 inch panel, which is the Mega which is essentially 300 LEDs 305 what LEDs its massive is powerful and you can the benefit there is you can get a super-high dose and very limited amount of time or you can stand back a little bit further and still get a really high dose, but just get a complete head-to-toe cover.

[00:36:32] And so how would someone use the smaller one?  Just their face or what we put it

[00:36:40] on for face spa treatment. I had a guy who was using it for getting really good results with tendonitis yet achilles tendonitis. So you're just putting it like resting his feet up on. And ottoman and just having light underneath shooting up at his Achilles.

[00:36:58] So spa treatment, but [00:37:00] primarily I think most folks are going to buy that life for the face. Yeah, you know,

[00:37:03] we're drinking women would buy that for yeah for the face. Yeah,

[00:37:06] and it's very it's relatively inexpensive for the power you get and to really just get demonstrable results. I mean at one of the things that I've noticed from.

[00:37:17] From using the light is just add complete change in my skin even into my 40s. I've had acne believe it or not. And so that in a lot of the information is gone away, but and I also I mean I have sun damage from when I was a kid, you know, we didn't. There's no sunscreen are worried about the sun back then which I know and so I have sun damage from summer camping out all day every day.

[00:37:40] Yeah bad sunburns right on there. Yeah.

[00:37:43] Yeah. Yeah under the eyes and and on the nose and but I know and I've noticed just just a good and natural peel. Happening and it's and it's just good natural exfoliation, you know similar to what when folks, you know, they do chemical peels [00:38:00] ribs. I'm people are trying to exfoliate the skin to to cause regeneration, right?

[00:38:06] And so but that's what that's what's happening. It's my skin of the collagen production is going up and so my skin is naturally exfoliating more and I notice it very profoundly as particularly where I have sun damage. Um

[00:38:18] how hot does the unit get like the small one? For instance?

[00:38:22] It doesn't get very hot at all.

[00:38:23] I mean there it gets warm. Gentle warmth like a nice gentle warmth is how I would characterize it and I use you know, I use the mega now and I use it, you know in the my birthday suit because I'm trying to see if I can get some increased testosterone and libido benefits. So I'm very conscious about the warm.

[00:38:44] Okay, let all that without without like letting Placebo and hopefulness. And obviously you've got a vested interest in the success of it. Do you notice anything with the with any of that with libido or anything?

[00:38:58] I've noticed [00:39:00] it's libido. Yeah, sure for sure. I haven't taken blood test on testosterone and honestly the research I've seen as testosterone has all been in animals.

[00:39:09] So there's some interesting research in rats and you can argue that is it animal research is really interesting because you know, I always think to myself. Okay. Well one environment are they in I mean, they're sitting in a laboratory all day under fluorescent lights and then I'm thinking well that's probably pretty similar to modern humans actually, but you know, so the the Lab Rats gotta exposed to red and near-infrared light for five days for 30 minutes and there was an increase in testosterone.

[00:39:34] I was one study real that was done

[00:39:36] it like a significant increase or just a blip. It was

[00:39:39] significant really missing it but it was a five-day study. So, you know take it with a grain and there have been other studies.

[00:39:45] I think

[00:39:46] I mean personally. I think we've all experienced this at least with sunlight.

[00:39:52] I mean it is there not a reason why we vacation at beaches and and when I can tell you is, you know, when I go to the beach vacation with my wife [00:40:00] significant increase in libido, and and if I mean certainly part of it is not being stressed dude doubtedly. It's the sunlight undoubtedly. It's being outside in the sun on your skin and so obviously that sunlight but so, you know, I have that kind of own.

[00:40:17] Experience with light exposure and libido and testosterone so I'm a big believer for sure.

[00:40:23] You know, what's really funny. I went on Tom bill you, you know, Tom bill you impact theory. Yes. I went on a show last year and talked about three things. He want them to know like what is what does it come down to if there's three things that you could do that would improve the quality of your life longevity your health span and everything and I said son sex and sleep.

[00:40:47] Those three things get out in the sun. Let's get fix your sleep. If it's a problem and have plenty of sex and you will live a long healthy life and it's the truth. And because those those three [00:41:00] things have been constant in evolution. We've gotten son. We've had sex and we slept a lot better back then than we do today.

[00:41:10] Absolutely, and I'm sure you're right.

[00:41:13] And when the sun went down we were probably going I mean maybe we're building a fire and you know telling stories or something, but then we were going to sleep

[00:41:19] nobody so you talked about light earlier and and and it's NightLight. I mean years ago, I wrote a Blog now, I wrote an article for a bodybuilding magazine is his is Thomas Edison stealing your gains because like late well, even if you're using drugs.

[00:41:38] Like the receptor becomes the receptor becomes desensitized the Androgen receptor when you don't get enough sleep and when you get a lot of nighttime light, I mean it's been shown and I talked about that but then I had a woman on the show her last name was Elliot. I can't remember her. First name is she's actually the one who came up with a

[00:41:59] TS [00:42:00] Eliot.

[00:42:01] Is that oh, no, that's I always that's what I always do. I don't know. I did the same thing. Maybe her name is it's but the Wily TSA

[00:42:09] daily. Yes a shoulder great book in the 90s on this she was way out ahead of the curve

[00:42:13] called called lights out how to cure York how to cure your diabetes and she said turn the lights out in your house and when it gets dark outside just you'll naturally get tired and you go to sleep.

[00:42:25] And I had a guy who actually followed her advice and emailed me like 7 months later and said I'm not only looking my diabetes not only one way but I've lost like 30 pounds and I haven't changed anything. Why

[00:42:37] I have forsaken experience with that as well. I had the worst insomnia pretty much my whole life into my 30s grew up with a television in my bedroom just horrendous horrendous sleep hygiene, and I tried every form a suitable and every herb that exists melatonin you name it and an eight dollar pair of red [00:43:00] glasses.

[00:43:00] Yeah blue blockers blue blockers, essentially. I solved that problem. Yes, and then and then and then obviously just the acknowledgement that you know bright lights at night or not a good idea.

[00:43:11] So let's talk. So let's talk about that for a second. Okay. So one of the greatest Investments I've made is a little app and I think it cost me like three or four dollars and it's called.

[00:43:25] Is p Evo and basically what it does is it turns your phone? Into a spectrum analyzer a light spectrum analyzer and so I started to use this like like, okay, so we have all these people who say oh, you know light is really bad. Well not all light is really bad at night which light will guess what incandescent light has no blue in it.

[00:43:51] So the old-fashioned incandescent lights are closer to Flame and fire as you pointed out a second ago, you know

[00:43:57] the old. The Old Edison bulbs.

[00:44:00] [00:43:59] Yeah, the ones that they tried to do away with but everybody kept buying them anyway, right the old crap ones. And so those have no blue light and so you talk about using that light at night to read with it's not a big problem and you got to dim it because brightness as well as wavelength both influence.

[00:44:17] Sleep onset, but I bought this app. I think it was $3 399. Everybody should get this app because like I'm looking at my screen right now. I see the PIP of blue. I see all the different colors that are raining down on my eyes when I pointed up at my fluorescent light. All I get is yellow and green and there's something something ominous about that.

[00:44:41] Like why am I only getting yellow and green light from. No red. No blue. Just yellow and green by this app start sampling your environment and you will be surprised at the sources of light and they're tight that their wavelengths that you can start to avoid at [00:45:00] inappropriate times like nighttime, but the easiest thing is as you point out by a pair of blue blocks now, do you have yellow blue blockers or do you have read actual red lenses like Dave asprey talks?

[00:45:12] On your

[00:45:12] so at night. I use I use a company called Blue blocks. Yeah, they set up this Trail.

[00:45:18] Yeah, he's been exactly was a sponsor on the show and he meant good guy. Yeah.

[00:45:22] Yeah. Yeah and you know, they've been tested and they blocked the blue one the Green Isle of Man. And the reason I like them as first of all they block all of the right wavelengths, but but but that's all they block so I can still see

[00:45:35] right

[00:45:36] Rogers really red lenses and I can't see and then I'm going

[00:45:40] to bring so Dave was generous enough to send me a pair of those.

[00:45:45] Walker's, whatever they call them and they are just true darks and they are just red and I can't watch TV. I can't read I can't do anything with it. So I go well I might as well just go to sleep. I'll just turn the lights on go to sleep. I can't do anymore

[00:45:59] walk [00:46:00] around with your eyes closed.

[00:46:01] Yeah.

[00:46:01] Yeah. No, I get it. I'm exactly the same as you.  How long does foxes notice changes if you start exposing yourself to Red Light whether it's just your face or your whole body?

[00:46:14] So it varies I will say and again, obviously we're all individuals. There are some folks that tell me some of the customer feedback they notice after one use.

[00:46:25] I had a woman who bought a small unit and you know, I we have a 1-800 number. If you have any questions call me and I you will speak to me personally. I'm still at that level where I try to. Actually converse with my customers and get their feedback. So she had a lot of questions. So I we answer questions and then she called me the next day shedding more questions.

[00:46:45] It may have been about the near-infrared light not turning on. All right, and she and she was. Her and her son a son. She bought it for his son used for acne. And then she just using it for General skin benefits and she said that her and her [00:47:00] son both had the best night's sleep that they had had in, you know in recent memory just from that one use that one day.

[00:47:08] So so there's that and the Spectrum where folks notice immediate something immediately and I would say in general for skin that you know, the feedback within two or three weeks oftentimes and if you go on our side we've got I think 56. Use at this point and you'll see many of the comments. I usually ask for reviews about three weeks after they receive their light.

[00:47:28] And then yet there's a lot of skin comments write reviews where folks are noticing and then generally for some of the other things like the guy with the Achilles there was a guy with had hypothyroid got he got off his medication from the from using light. I just I love these stories. It just makes me feel good about what I'm doing, right, but those are you know, sometimes longer but we get a 60 day trial so that you can try for 60 days and if you don't like it, or if you don't notice anything, you can send it back to me,

[00:47:55] so.

[00:47:57] Are there appropriate times to use it like would you [00:48:00] want to use this before bed or you want to use it first thing in the morning? 

[00:48:04] So that's a loaded question. I would say I use it in the morning. Yeah, I so I have a routine I go out in the sun. I greet the Sun for five minutes in the morning I ground

[00:48:14] do you do that before you even look at your iPhone?

[00:48:18] Of course, you think of course. I have a funny feeling so many people wake up in the first thing they do is look at their phone and I have a funny feeling that that actually changes circadian rhythm for the rest of the day.

[00:48:29] Yes, why I wouldn't I don't know but I certainly wouldn't disagree with that.

[00:48:34] I think I make it a point the first thing I do to go outside and get natural sunlight in my eyes on my skin five minutes because I don't have all day and then and then I come in I make my coffee and then I do my red light. Anywhere between 5 and 15 minutes. It depends in the summertime here in Phoenix.

[00:48:51] I tend to be do 15 minute sessions. But you know now it's beautiful. I'm spending a lot of time outside. I'm gravitating more toward 5 or 10 minutes because I just [00:49:00] don't feel like I need as much because I'm out in the sun a lot more right but yes, that's why I like using it in the morning. And then actually I am a bit of a perfectionist I use it and then I go back in this.

[00:49:11] Just for a couple minutes

[00:49:12] top off with natural light. That's pretty cool.

[00:49:14] Yeah, when I drive to work, I cracked my window and if I can get the sun I try to get as much sun in the morning as I possibly can in addition to the light. I think the light is my supplemental dose, you know, because I know I'm going to be indoors working but you know as much naturalizing get and then I also try to get out obviously between 10:00 and 2:00 o'clock if I can to get the UV.

[00:49:37] And so I would be I would use it during the day I'd be very nervous. These lights are so bright and I have seen studies. We're still really bright lights. Like you said the brightness even if it's red could potentially impact sleep

[00:49:51] so it stimulates it stimulates, right?

[00:49:54] So everybody's different though as some folks use it at night and then they told me they sleep great.

[00:49:58] I would be that. [00:50:00] I don't know. I just I would be nervous about that. So I would I think to me it makes sense to use it in the morning close to Sunrise as possible when the natural red light is at its highest

[00:50:11] right right, where am I mimicked

[00:50:13] potentially at Sunset to because that's also a natural red light is at its highest.

[00:50:17] So yeah, not after

[00:50:19] that's interesting. I want to thank all last commercial break when we come back. We're going to wrap up the interview. We are talking today with Scott Rivera. I mispronounce his name of the commercial. Sorry about that. His website is mitel read like.com. He's on a mission to.

[00:50:34] Give everyone who wants access to a red and near-infrared light therapy unit. The ability to own one. His prices are ridiculously lower than any of these other companies that you're finding out there and on top of that my audience gets a 10% discount plus free shipping inside the United States and deeply deeply discounted shipping outside the United States.

[00:50:57] So go to the website my toe red [00:51:00] light.com use the code, shr. And get on board. We're going to take a quick commercial break. We'll be right back stay tuned.

[00:51:10] Welcome back, you like that and what we use is oxygen for the

[00:51:13] power gun. I like it.

[00:51:15] We have a couple really funny ones. The guy who did that will Adams was great. I used to do that stuff. So Jeff Clifton has an interesting question can red light therapy help with seasonal affective disorder. I got a feeling you can.

[00:51:30] probably

[00:51:31] although. I would imagine that you'd want to the full spectrum lights would be better.  You know like those light boxes. Yeah that you put on your those 10,000. You know, it's 10,000 Lux light boxes you put on your desk right to mimic the sun. Yeah, but. I don't know of a specific research around said there is actually a I'll direct folks to our website.

[00:51:56] If you go on to the FAQ stabbed about [00:52:00] halfway down there. Is this amazing compendium II didn't put this together some person or. Persons who are just really interested in all of the research on photobiomodulation and low level laser therapy, which is the kind of the two names you'll see for to has compiled about 4,000 studies into a spreadsheet and it's all sorted so you can download the Excel spreadsheet and sort by condition and see what kind of Studies have been done.

[00:52:29] So you I would invite you to go to that go to our website download the spreadsheet and see what kind of research has been done on said. There's so much so much science being done. It's impossible to keep up with but this this spreadsheet is a great compendium.

[00:52:43] So we have a couple questions here.

[00:52:47] Lisa philbrick. Jane's says, what is the coupon code again? It's shr and all the coupon codes for supremum radio audience. Almost always are Just sh are so if you find yourself at one of our sponsors [00:53:00] pagers always use shr first if some people sh are 25 like. We just got a great deep discount from redcon one for 25% off.

[00:53:11] That one is shr 25, but if you use shr at the mitel red light.com website, you'll not only get an additional 10% off really the lowest price out there for a quality red light therapy unit. And on top of that you'll get free shipping inside the United States and of course. Outside the United States you will also get deeply discounted shipping that will make it worthwhile for you to buy that.

[00:53:41] Carl what

[00:53:42] is one of the one of the things I wanted to mention real quick and why you want a powerful device we talked about this a little bit earlier, but there's two reasons one is you don't want to have to buy a lower Radiance device. You don't want to have to sit in front of it for three hours to get the benefit we all have time.

[00:53:58] So it allows you to get a high dose in short [00:54:00] amount of time, but the second reason is. You need the higher power to get the penetration and if you have an underpowered device, it's not going to get into the tissues where you want it. So we kind of glossed over it but it just folks they might even look at our devices and say, you know, they're expensive.

[00:54:16] I mean, our largest devices is 1049. It's an investment, but there is a reason you need the power 4 so you can get a dose in a short amount of time and so you can get the penetration.

[00:54:27] So let's talk about that 1049 per second if you use PayPal. To buy the 1049 unit. You can choose you can elect to make payments.

[00:54:37] You can PayPal will technically Finance it for you. So, you know for those out there who are like while 10:49 I'd love to have that big unit. But that's $1,000. I just wasn't planning for well use PayPal to pay it and and and then select that you want to pay it over time and PayPal give you broken out.

[00:54:59] I didn't know that [00:55:00] yeah, we also have we have a third party company that contracted to It's called The Firm so you can also they will do as low as 0% APR on certain circumstances so you can try them as well apply to them. Yeah, we've got that all up make it easy.

[00:55:13] Yeah, the other thing that well let me let me get the crisscross who's actually somebody who spends time in this industry.

[00:55:19] He said it's bright white light. I guess he means those light boxes are bright white light the one that and those are probably the ones that are best for. Is that these guys seasonal affective disorder? Yeah. I know a lot of people who use those and they say that they work. What about covering your eyes should you since since some some of this light can penetrate so deeply Is it wise to wear those little I covers like you wear when you go into the tanning salon my my camera just disappeared.

[00:55:46] Can you hear me Scott?

[00:55:48] Yeah, I can hear you.

[00:55:48] I don't know. I'm just gonna drop my camera or just give me one second. It's one second estate. I Hold On.

[00:55:55] You

[00:55:57] just just one second.

[00:55:58] Well now I cannot hear you.

[00:55:59] Yeah, no, just [00:56:00] just hold on. Just hold on. You can't hear me. Hold on Scott.  Oh, man, here we go.

[00:56:06] Here we go. Here we go. And I should be coming back. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go here. Is this happens every so often? This happens every so often would be live TV where my Carriage is drops out? I don't know why I'm back.

[00:56:23] I can hear you now

[00:56:23] hear me and yeah, I can hear you good and the podcast audience they don't get any interruptions just the people watching on video right now as you see my camera got a little squirrelly so must be some connectivity.

[00:56:33] What about covering your eyes when you use the full face unit. So

[00:56:39] we provide goggles to do that. It isn't necessary. You know, the lights are super bright. It might be even uncomfortable at first and it mean even a little disorienting after if you stand in front of it for 10-15 minutes and then step away.

[00:56:54] Your vision is a little wonky. So we provide the goggles but you know [00:57:00] again these units they don't produce any UV, you know UV is what damages the skin and the eyes so and if there's even some evidence that some studies showing that if there's. The red and near-infrared for certain eye conditions.

[00:57:13] So so we provide the goggles for Comfort mainly but you can close your eyes or wear the goggles or or just or do nothing. I have

[00:57:22] one last question. We're actually having we're getting technical technologically challenged on the video front because you and I are framing right now where every every couple seconds we move and it's obviously something that's going on at be live TV.

[00:57:39] So neuropathy is rampant in our society today and it's been tied back pretty conclusively to impaired vascular response these small blood vessels micro micro vessels that. Feed nerves shut down and you effectively have this [00:58:00] neuropathy because it's almost like your leg is asleep you sat on it for an hour and you straighten it out and it's asleep, but the blood flow never comes back and the near-infrared I know is effective for this neuropathy because of the liberating of nitric oxide helps to dilate the microvasculature.

[00:58:17] Do you have anybody using your light units yet and saying wow, you know, I'm using it on my legs. And the numbness and tingling in my legs is going away.

[00:58:28] Not yet. We haven't gotten that feedback yet in theory. I agree with you. It should work like we talked about earlier if I mean increases microcirculation show.

[00:58:37] It should help every lad. It depends a I don't know man. That's a whole nother discussion about neuropathy and kind of what the ultimate causes are I think. I think there's a gap of glutamate story there as well. You know, that's why they use gabapentin and pray gabilan as there's those are the kind of the

[00:58:56] farmers.

[00:58:56] No, no. No, I don't buy that at all. The Gabapentin doesn't [00:59:00] work for neuropathy at all. It doesn't make the neuropathy go away just makes people not feel stuff. Gabapentin is a horrible horrible drug. I don't disagree.

[00:59:11] Yeah, I don't disagree but there's a reason why they use it and it's because it's a Gaba analog and so I think that there could be a benefit for thinking about Gaba if I had neuropathy I'd be thinking about Gabba.

[00:59:22] I would love to I would love to partner with you to create a prototype. I've had this in my mind for a long time. So we go out and we buy a set of fireman's boots.  And we put near infrared LEDs on the inside. And under at the bottom. We put a little pad in there some sort of clear pad and the guy sits in down.

[00:59:44] He slides his legs in there. He's got a power supply turns only watches television. 

[00:59:49] Okay, you want to surround surround the the ankles

[00:59:52] let it feel a'ight. Let's do this. I'm serious. I have I have friends that have neuropathy. I even have some neuropathy but mine is from a malabsorption [01:00:00] vitamin B because of a gut dysbiosis that I had but it all comes back to irregular vascular response the matter.

[01:00:07] No matter what. The trigger is it's irregular vascular response that leads to this type of neuropathy. I would love to get apparent fireman's boots and build this you.

[01:00:18] All right, let's do it. But I think that before we build build that why don't I send you a couple units and have you use them? Okay and tell me if you can see benefit and then we can fix it kind of vitamin A from their

[01:00:28] semi semi, you know, send me some used units that you had at a show or something like that.

[01:00:33] Don't send me new units and I would like to do that because I think there's the same way I had the idea for the little insert in the baseball cap around that same time. I thought man, I would love to line a pair of fireman's. With near infrared LEDs and just have a guy sitting it, you know for 30 minutes a day watching television or even four or five times a day.

[01:00:54] You can sell them to people and send them home with them and I bet you the neuropathy would go away in like weeks. I just [01:01:00] know it. I just know it in my soul. No,

[01:01:02] okay. Let's try that. Great with you. It's a big problem.

[01:01:04] Yeah, it's huge. There's a clinic here in town. That uses light therapy. They advertise.

[01:01:10] If you have neuropathy and you have less than 85% nerve damage, we can reverse it for you. And that's what they do. They use the Anodyne unit. They sit these people in front of these units and that you know, and they charge like to 300 dollars a session and sometimes insurance doesn't even pick it up.

[01:01:24] I look this has been fun. I want to thank you first of all for reaching out to me to become a sponsor because I'm very selective on who I allowed to be a sponsor because. My credibility is is a big deal and we were actually contacted by another company whose like a big dog in this space. And when I look at their pricing, I thought I can't promote this to my audience.

[01:01:47] And so you solve the problem. Of the show having a sponsor that offers these type of light therapy units. I want to thank you for that and thank you for being a sponsor and sorry it took us so long to get you on

[01:02:01] [01:02:00] no worries. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it.

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