[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] Hey, Hey, welcome back to another episode of super human radio. Today is a special day. We normally, we do the renew life RX show on a Thursday, but we're doing it today on a Wednesday because a, my week is all screwed up and next week I leave to go hunting. Uh, so I'm going to be gone for a few days.

[00:00:19] We're going to have a bunch of really good shows from yesteryear, uh, for those of you who want to listen to some of the older shows again, and for those of you who are new to the audience. And haven't heard some of these shows. Uh, it's funny, I put on shows from 2010 about stuff that people are talking about today.

[00:00:37] That's how far ahead we are of the curve on superhuman radio. And for those of you listening to this show a hundred years from its original production date, today is November 6th. A 2019 and let me go ahead and roll the music and get my cohost Ronnie Milo. The first step to changing your life starts with the [00:01:00] renew life show with Adam Lamb,

[00:01:08] with Ronnie Milo. We have to make him his own

[00:01:11] Ronnie Milo: [00:01:11] theme, youthful bedroom.

[00:01:13] Carl Lanore: [00:01:13] How are you doing, Ronnie?

[00:01:15] Ronnie Milo: [00:01:15] I'll stop, buddy. How are you, man?

[00:01:16] Carl Lanore: [00:01:16] Wonderful. Wonderful. Actually, you know, when you

[00:01:19] Ronnie Milo: [00:01:19] get to go hunting,

[00:01:21] Carl Lanore: [00:01:21] I know, I'm so excited. I love to hunt and, and this is a really monumentous, uh, hunting trip cause I'm taking my son, chase, uh, hunting for the first time we've been preparing for this since Christmas.

[00:01:33] I bought him a beautiful, a Savage access to a 30 ought six bolt bolt action rifle and he's gotten quite good with it. It has a nice scope on it. And a, he's gotten all the hunting clothes and he went and got his hunting license in California, so now he can get one in New York and we're going to an area of upstate New York, um, not too far South [00:02:00] from Vermont, and it's a all or the Adirondack region actually.

[00:02:05] And, uh, where we're hunting. Uh, there are some interesting animals on the syllabus. Uh, and for those of you who understand what a syllabus is, it add these animals native to that area there. So they put them on a syllabus and they give them a hunting season. Um, so naturally, white tail deer is our primary target, but black bear, uh, is, is a regular, uh, uh, animal found on, especially on the land where hunting, there's a lot of black bear.

[00:02:36] Um. Coyote, which there is no hunting season. You can kill a coyote anytime you want, and they want you to kill coyotes because they're killing the deer. They, it's interesting how humans get involved and ecology. So, um, they had a problem in upstate New York with a wild turkeys. And, uh, as a result of that.

[00:03:00] [00:03:00] The wild turkeys eat the acorns whole. They swallow them whole and the deer eat the acorns. So the deal, we're having trouble, uh, feeding. So they, they, they decided we have to put a predator in for the wild turkeys. So they, they brought in coyotes this about 15, 20 years ago. Well, why do coyotes want to eat turkeys when they can eat deer?

[00:03:24] So now, so now that guy Odis became a threat to the deer. So now they go, well, we, we, we need a natural predator to the coyote. Well, that's the mountain lion. So about eight, 10 years ago, they, they brought in mountain lions. Uh, and now the mountain lions are eating everything.

[00:03:44] Ronnie Milo: [00:03:44] Yeah. So it's

[00:03:46] Carl Lanore: [00:03:46] going to be exciting.

[00:03:47] So the, there's mountain lion, there's black bear. There is, uh, a coyote. Uh, and there is a white tail deer on this land. And, and some people have [00:04:00] seen moose, but it's not on the syllabus yet because there's not enough of them, enough sightings. But they did see a moose on this land that we're gotta be hunting.

[00:04:07] So it's, it, it should be itching. We should be able to come home with something you know what I mean? Um, but my, my, my goal is two fold. I really don't care about getting a deer this year. I'd like my son to get a deer. But I'd love to get a black bear. I told Elisa, she's like, I don't want a black bear rug.

[00:04:25] I says, well, I want a black bear rug somewhere in our house. I don't care if it's in a room that nobody sees, but I've always wanted a black bear rug. I shot a black bear when I was about, um, 19 years old in the Adirondacks. But it was a small bear. And I didn't take care of the, I didn't get this, the, the, the pelt to, uh, the taxidermist in time.

[00:04:47] And it was bad and that was it. But this time, if I get a black bear, I'm going to bring it right to someplace, to have a process. Cause I've always wanted a black bear rug. And keep in mind, I'll eat black bear. I've eaten. Bear me. Bear [00:05:00] meat is like a cross between pork and beef. It's delicious.

[00:05:03] Ronnie Milo: [00:05:03] It's delicious. Yeah. Never had it. No, it's very, it's great as a kid in upstate Michigan. Kalkaska we did a last week of both. First week of rifle. Yeah. Yeah. We got my first year with a bow from the tree stand.

[00:05:17] Carl Lanore: [00:05:17] That's nice. That's nice. That's that. That's a hard way to get a deer, that's for

[00:05:22] Ronnie Milo: [00:05:22] sure.

[00:05:23] So,

[00:05:23] Carl Lanore: [00:05:23] so a recent study was published that kind of piqued my interest and your interest to start to talk about IGF one again. Um, I'm, I'm, I silly me. I, hold on, let me just bring the sir the study up so I can talk more intelligently about it. Uh, IGF one is probably one of the most misunderstood and misrepresented, uh, protein, uh, peptide hormones.

[00:05:52] Uh, would you agree with that statement?

[00:05:55] Ronnie Milo: [00:05:55] Yeah, absolutely. I think it's the, it's the old school. Classic [00:06:00] Mustang, right? Everybody forgets about it because these new cars are coming out, but it's still classic and it's still monumental.

[00:06:07] Carl Lanore: [00:06:07] You know what I mean? Well, and this is nice because just last week we did a, uh, an episode of the pep talk, and we talked about IGF one long or three, which back in the day, uh, many of us who were power lifters and bodybuilders, we loved IGF one, lawnmower three because it worked.

[00:06:24] And we talked with dr Betsy earth the other day. Last week. What I said was, this is a peptide that works. That's both good and bad. It's one that if you abuse it will hurt you, but if it's one that you use properly, it will build muscle faster.

[00:06:42] Ronnie Milo: [00:06:42] Yeah. That was probably the one of the first peptides I've ever used it before.

[00:06:46] I even knew it was a peptide. Right. Cause it was a big buzz back in the bodybuilding scene. You know, you ordered it, you had to put a scenic gasoline in it. And

[00:06:53] Carl Lanore: [00:06:53] I remember that constantly. Oh, but don't for that. For those of you that are just getting into peptides. You have no idea what [00:07:00] pain is until you take a vile of IGF, one out of a freezer that's been reconstituted with acetic acid, which is basically vinegar and vinegar for injection and inject 10 units into a muscle and then literally like tears coming from your eyes, from the burning and stinging and pain in your, in your bicep.

[00:07:25] And

[00:07:25] Ronnie Milo: [00:07:25] lingers too. It doesn't go away.

[00:07:26] Carl Lanore: [00:07:26] No, no, no. It's like what happens is the pain becomes less, not because it goes away, but because the little Depot dissipates, and so the pain becomes spread out in a larger area to where it goes from acute pain to just general soreness. Right. Yeah,

[00:07:45] Ronnie Milo: [00:07:45] absolutely.

[00:07:45] Yeah, absolutely right. And then for us it's like, all right, well I'll just put up with it cause it's gonna work.

[00:07:50] Carl Lanore: [00:07:50] I need more, I need more money. And you think about that, think about the fact that people won't suffer hunger pangs to lose weight, but those [00:08:00] of us who were in the quest to acquire greater muscle would put ourselves through grueling pain if it meant eking out just a little bit more muscle from that workout.

[00:08:12] Oh yeah. It's

[00:08:13] Ronnie Milo: [00:08:13] just, you know, take an injection right before you go to gym. That pain you just wear to the gym and work through the pain. Even if it hurts, you're still working through it because you've got that mental mindset of like how it's going to make me beggar.

[00:08:22] Carl Lanore: [00:08:22] Right. Anytime I a shot in a quad and then I had to go train legs.

[00:08:27] I knew that night that I wouldn't be able to walk because the pain in that leg that I just gave myself, the shot was going to be so horrible.

[00:08:34] Ronnie Milo: [00:08:34] The damage. Yup. That's our mindset. That's our mindset.

[00:08:39] Carl Lanore: [00:08:39] Yeah. So, um, so getting back to this, uh, this particular, uh, information. So this particular study, uh, came out this week, and what they looked at was the physiological role of growth hormone, and more importantly, insulin, like growth factors.

[00:08:58] So for, for a long [00:09:00] time. IGF one has been getting a lot of bad publicity from the cancer community. Uh, the idea is that IGF, one H, uh, causes cancer. In fact, um, for a lot of cancer therapies, they go out of their way to completely shut off any IGF one production. I say when it comes to cancer, cancer leverages everything that is good for healthy cells.

[00:09:30] So this approach, uh, to focusing on IGF one would be tantamount to me saying, well, certain cancers need oxygen, so think you have one of these oxygen dependent cancers. We're going to smother you. We're just going to starve your entire body of oxygen because then we'll kill that cancer cell, which is basically the model for treating cancer, right?

[00:09:57] Everything that they do today. [00:10:00] To treat cancer is just as harmful to the healthy cells in your body from chemotherapy down. So this idea that IGF one in and of itself needs to be completely obliterated in order to create an environment where cancer can thrive is completely misguided. Speak, speak about that a little bit.

[00:10:19] Ronnie Milo: [00:10:19] Yeah. So basically what they're trying to do is they're trying to put out information out there to scare the people because they don't want you to be healthy and functional, right? They want you to, like you said, starve off the source that is going to increase tumor and cancer growth. But, and the other side of it, like, you know, reading the study that we sent, it was from Hungary.

[00:10:37] That IGF one is a crucial role and multiple functions in the body, right? Longs, kidneys, livers. So if they're gonna, you know, um. You know, perpetuate the studies thing that it causes cancer, right? It doesn't cause cancer. Uh, they wanted to, to, to do the private from you so you could start filling other [00:11:00] systems, right?

[00:11:01] It's just a downward spiral, right? If we keep IGF one, an optimal level space, and then we also look at other different factors, you know, then we can probably make a difference in the cancer or the tumor, you know, growth. Right. But cutting, it's just like drive, trying to drive your car with no fuel.

[00:11:18] Going to break down.

[00:11:19] Carl Lanore: [00:11:19] Yeah. That's a great analogy. So you want to save your spark plugs, right? So you, you, you drained the car with fuel and it doesn't run, but now it doesn't run. It doesn't go. But yeah, your spark plugs are lasting longer because there's nowhere in tear. So the approaches that they've used on IGF one have implicated it, uh, with the cancer number one.

[00:11:39] Number two. Uh, about, uh, eight years ago when the whole M Tor and P K discussion started, uh, around the time that I started talking to dr blaggers Kloni about rapid myosin, there's a lot of people who got the wrong message from, uh, M Tor and P K [00:12:00] modulation, uh, to kill senescent cells. And some of those people started to say, well, M Tor.

[00:12:09] One of the things that drives M Tor is in fact, uh, insulin growth factors. IGF one and two is two different ligands. And so they, they decided that, okay, anything that suppresses IGF, one will lead to better aging and longer life. And I have a friend, well, not a friend, the guy who has been on my show, uh, named Mike Mooney.

[00:12:34] I haven't been in touch with him in a long time, but probably about six or seven years ago, he told me that. He had cut out all dairy, all red meat. Um, I'm trying to think what else. So I said to him in an email, I said, why did you do that? He said, because I'm suppressing IGF one, it will lead to a longer lifespan.

[00:12:55] And I thought this was the silliest idea in the world. And I still do. I still do. And [00:13:00] I don't know how. I haven't heard from him. I dunno how well he's aging in the past seven years or eight years since I had him on the show. Six, seven years. But the, I said, I started to type an email back to him, and then I thought, nah, you know, he's, he's already made his decision.

[00:13:16] He already believes IGF one is a villain. Um, I'm not going to try to change his mind, but the information that's coming out about IGF one today, not only says it's not a villain, but it actually looks like it enhances lifespan. Now. Let's get this out of the way now and I'm going to have you speak to it.

[00:13:39] We're not talking about super physiological levels of IGF that is seen in people with Agora Miglia, you know, pituitary adenomas, where they, they produce so much growth hormone and people are gonna say, why aren't you talking about growth hormone? Because really all of growth hormones affects a mediated when it goes through the liver.

[00:14:00] [00:14:00] And turns into growth factors and IGF being the most metabolically active one. So we're not talking about growth hormone, but indirectly. But when you have acromegaly or you have raging levels of IGF one or end to and bones overgrow, big browse and you die younger too, you die. You do. We're not told about super physiological levels of IGF right.

[00:14:22] Ronnie Milo: [00:14:22] Right. No, we're talking about optimal ranges. Right? And every body, every optimal range is different. Our clinic is, we work in, we do 200 to 300 optimal range,

[00:14:31] Carl Lanore: [00:14:31] right? Because focus for hundreds of the top, right?

[00:14:34] Ronnie Milo: [00:14:34] Well, if 400 the top

[00:14:35] Carl Lanore: [00:14:35] 200 or 300 is like that sweet spot where you're not, you're not low, you're not high.

[00:14:39] You're just right. Right.

[00:14:41] Ronnie Milo: [00:14:41] But then there's also, you have to look at other factors. I think it's IGS, three B, I believe it is

[00:14:46] Carl Lanore: [00:14:46] to about binding protein three right. Yeah,

[00:14:49] Ronnie Milo: [00:14:49] Bonnie protein three. That's another measurement to see where the ice true IGF levels are.

[00:14:54] Carl Lanore: [00:14:54] Well, it's also, it's also, I'll tell you what it also is, and I learned this from Dr.

[00:14:58] Mark Gordon. So [00:15:00] when IGF, IGF one levels can go up independently of growth hormone, if you eat, if you eat a lot of a dairy, if you eat a lot of, uh, red meat, you will see IGF one levels go up just because of the influence of your diet. This is not indicative of growth hormone going up. The way to tell if the reason for your IGF one levels going up is in fact growth hormone going up because of a supplement you're using.

[00:15:29] You look at binding protein three when IGF one binding protein three goes up, it's indicative that growth hormone is going up. And why is this important? Because. There's really, it's really hard to test growth hormone because it, it appears in the, in the bloodstream for moments. It's like smoke.

[00:15:46] It dissipates it, it's gone. So you have to do a 24 hour urine metabolite, collect collection to even think, you know. Another way to do it is to check IGF one and binding protein three and you can tell whether or not growth hormone is actually [00:16:00] the producer of the IGF one. Right.

[00:16:02] Ronnie Milo: [00:16:02] So w we spoke about this off air as I was working with one of these very influential doctors, and he was the one that actually spoke about this, about the binding protein.

[00:16:10] If you have an increase in IGF one and a decrease in IGF binding proteins, then you'll start to see diseases and things of that nature happen because it's a push pull system. If they're both elevated at the same time, then there's no increase of cancer or tumor growth or any kind of autoimmune disease because there they're staying elevated at the time.

[00:16:30] Basically, once you get a decrease in IGF, one mining protein, that's when you start to see the effects of, you know, cancer and tumor growth because of the low diminishing of it.

[00:16:42] Carl Lanore: [00:16:42] But now, let's now, let's you and I postulate for a second. Let's be reckless, reckless, and come up with our own ideas for a second, right?

[00:16:51] So recently you and I did a groundbreaking show that most people don't realize with groundbreaking about Megalodon. And what the [00:17:00] study about Megalodon showed was that a, in the presence of Mechelen sex hormone binding globulin actually doesn't deactivate hormones. It initiates their ability to enter tissue completely changing.

[00:17:17] This idea that sex hormone binding globulin makes hormones inactive and only the free Unbound levels. Are biologically active. That's free testosterone, doesn't matter. Probably what matters more is the presence of Megalodon and higher SHBG. You and I just talked about this. This is groundbreaking.

[00:17:37] This went under and over the heads of a lot of people. I guarantee you, right? Well, what if binding protein three is similar to sex hormone binding globulin, but just for growth hormone? What if in fact, when binding protein three is low. And you have all of this Unbound IGF [00:18:00] one, it's less biologically active and therefore isn't entering the tissue that it's supposed to enter and stays available in the bloodstream to wreak havoc on tissue it shouldn't be working with.

[00:18:15] Ronnie Milo: [00:18:15] Yeah, I agree. Absolutely. 100%. It's, it's kinda the same mechanism action both ways, right? One on the sexual hormonal side, one on the growth hormone

[00:18:26] Carl Lanore: [00:18:26] stuff, right? Right, right.

[00:18:27] Ronnie Milo: [00:18:27] You gotta have all the correct pieces of the puzzle together for it to work, right? If not, you're going to have an incomplete puzzle and these things are not going to be able to work, you know what I mean?

[00:18:36] So, um, also, you know, to your point, testosterone training, they raise IGF one levels, right? So if we look. If they're speculating that IGF one increased the tumor and cancer growth, right? Then let, let's look at the process of IGF one in the body from a prenatal state to an adolescent state, right?

[00:18:56] Because it's going to be the highest it's ever been because it's responsible for tissue growth, [00:19:00] cellular growth, and bone growth, right? And also life policies, right? So if IGF one is the highest from prenatal to adolescence and mid teens, right? Then, then, then you know, the adolescents and the, and the, the prenatals will be.

[00:19:14] Uh, you know, uh, predisposition for cancer and tumor growth, right? So therefore it's the bumped already because you know, kids are fairly healthy, fairly active, and it's not the idea of one that's increasing it. It's the oxidation, it's the stress, it's the inflammation. And then on top of that decrease of IGF one, all those things working as synergistic effect to create this havoc, to create all different kinds of, uh, um, you know, illnesses in the body.

[00:19:42] Right. It thrives

[00:19:43] Carl Lanore: [00:19:43] off of that. So IGF one also has an effect, as you just kind of pointed out and directly it on lipolysis, which is the, is the evacuation of free fatty acids from fat [00:20:00] cells, putting them into the bloodstream, making them available as a source of energy and simultaneously growth hormone.

[00:20:11] Causes mitochondria to prefer triglycerides as a source of energy over glucose. So, and, and the reason I'm putting, putting these two pieces together is because while IGF one seems to allow the body to liberate more free fatty acids, it does not have a negative effect on unlimited profiles, which you would think that the presence of more fat in the bloodstream.

[00:20:39] If you believe the whole cholesterol hypothesis that high fat equals bad cholesterol, then theoretically IGF one putting more free fatty acids into the bloodstream should have some sort of even negative effect on lipid profiles, but it doesn't. And in fact, that's [00:21:00] probably because the presence of the G H IGF one axis, the presence of growth hormone and IGF one.

[00:21:08] Turns mitochondria into little factories that burn fat and get it out of the bloodstream faster. So this is yet another benefit of IGF one that is really never spoken about because we can't get past the idea that it owed this nonsense that it causes cancer. IGF one does not cause cancer. If it did, then.

[00:21:33] Every child with idiopathic short stature who is receiving what it considered super physiological doses of growth hormone on a weekly basis, sometimes usually between 30 and 50. Uh, uh, I use a week, they would have a higher, uh, uh, development cancer development rate then than their non growth hormone using.

[00:21:56] Counterparts, they don't. And [00:22:00] every child who's under growing rapid growth, who has ridiculous amounts of growth hormone or IGF one they buy, they would have higher cancer level. They don't.

[00:22:09] Ronnie Milo: [00:22:09] Yeah. So, so we all know that cancer feeds off of sugars, right? So I F one inhibits glucose, so therefore your body utilizes fat more proficient as energy.

[00:22:19] So if you're inhibiting glucose, you're not feeding cancer cells or tumor growth because you're cutting off the supply. Right. So, you know, to their point, another misconception is it's going to increase tumor cancer growth. Why? Because we're starving off the, the, the main source for it to grow.

[00:22:38] There's

[00:22:38] Carl Lanore: [00:22:38] also one other factor. We know that the, uh, there is research out there that shows that excessive use of antioxidants can actually be pro cancer pro onco. And the reason for that is that oxidative. Components like reactive oxygen species. [00:23:00] ROS is well known to be part of the tumor necrosis, the tumor killing system.

[00:23:07] When you have a lone cancer cell, uh, making its way through your bloodstream, looking for someplace to dock and metastasize, the oxidative effects of reactive oxygen species will kill it. This is well known. This is the reason that they are now saying, well, you know, uh, antioxidants are good, but too much is probably no good because you can actually promote.

[00:23:34] Now we're talking about actual promotion of cancer, and so Adele Moosa taught me this on our, on superior radio probably seven years ago. That IGF one specifically has, has the ability. To have antioxidant effects as well. And this may be why, this may be why, [00:24:00] uh, in, in concert with high antioxidant intake that it may allow for a tumor cell to actually live longer in the bloodstream.

[00:24:12] Now, is it causing cancer? No. Is it promoting cancer? Could be. It's not starting the fire, but it could cause the fire to grow faster. Again, using the oxygen analogy, oxygen is good for cancer, but we're not suggesting people smother themselves to kill their cancer. So IGF one is very complex.

[00:24:35] When you start to look at it, honestly, without an agenda, you come away saying, it is absolutely something we need for the entire body to thrive. But it has some unique characteristics that may enable cancer to be more productive. How do we identify that link only and [00:25:00] not completely obliterate the rest of the body by completely suppressing IGF?

[00:25:04] One. I

[00:25:05] Ronnie Milo: [00:25:05] think you have to look at all the factors, right? Other factors in the system. Um, you know, looking at other markers, uh, you know, inflammation markers, right. Looking at other different, yeah. You know, C reactive protein things in that nature. UpToDate of stress deficiencies and the vitamin deficiencies.

[00:25:21] Cause there's, it's not one thing that's specifically targeting towards that. It's a variant of other different things that are, that are associated at to it. If there's cancer in the system. It could possibly increase it could possibly decrease it, right? We don't know unless we have other different factors.

[00:25:38] Right. And they're specifically trying to target one. One thing I know you can't do it. You can't make an assumption off of one thing,

[00:25:45] Carl Lanore: [00:25:45] right? So, so I want to take our first commercial break, and when we come back, I want to bring into the discussion something that pretty much everybody who understands growth hormone and IGF one makes a claim to.

[00:26:00] [00:26:00] And that is. That the use of growth hormone through its contribution to the elevation of insulin, like growth factors, which is what IGF stands for, will actually promote the development of insulin resistance or type two diabetes. But this study shows perhaps the complete opposite, and this is part of the most fascinating part of this discussion we're going to take.

[00:26:26] When we come back, stay it. Welcome back. I have two things I have to do. First of all, I have to give a shout out to a guy that I've known for a long time, and he's watching the show live on Facebook today, and that's Carrie Sherman, who's been a friend for a very, very long time. In fact, a He thought so highly of me and the show that he brought me to a company called Fremantle media about possibly doing a reality TV show revolving around the superhuman, a way of life.

[00:26:54] And also. He has a video of me, [00:27:00] probably pretty close to my strongest. I was probably 53 years old maybe, or so, uh, doing some, uh, training in the gym that I would give, anything I would give, I would pay him money if I could get a copy of that because now I'm getting older and I don't know that I'll ever see that level of strength again.

[00:27:17] That would mean. A lot to me. So if you're still watching Carrie, if you can dig that video up, man, I'll pay, I'll say money. Ah, also, I have to promote, uh, we have a new sponsor and you're going to start hearing the ads running and it's called strong blood flow restriction system. Uh, the website is B, S, T, R O N, G.

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[00:28:07] I say that. On the targeted muscles. These are more effective than anabolic steroids. I've seen changes in my upper arms and my legs in general in days that I've never seen before, and I've used a lot of juice back in the day, so I'm, I'm being honest, I right now, you can save 10%. By using the coupon code S HR by going to be S, T, R O, N, G be strong.

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[00:28:53] I will never, ever train without them ever again. Yeah. Have you done anything with blood flow restriction running?

[00:28:59] Ronnie Milo: [00:28:59] Yeah, so [00:29:00] my last contest that I did, probably 2010 is when they started becoming really, really prevalent in this space, and I started using them for my contest prep, and probably the best of my legs ever looked.

[00:29:12] I use them strictly for legs. Right. And, uh, if anybody could dig up any pictures of me competing, you'll probably see my legs and they're my strongest points. But I mean, they were, they were dominant, right? They were almost, they were almost overpower my upper body. So

[00:29:24] Carl Lanore: [00:29:24] you had that in your head that you had the branch warrants syndrome.

[00:29:28] Yeah. Remember when branch first started coming out, it was like. Who's this guy with the insane legs and the average upper body. You know,

[00:29:35] Ronnie Milo: [00:29:35] there's a picture of me in front of American flag, you know, doing some photo shoots and stuff and my legs are just way overpowering cause I,

[00:29:43] Carl Lanore: [00:29:43] I'm telling

[00:29:43] Ronnie Milo: [00:29:43] you,

[00:29:45] Carl Lanore: [00:29:45] you do what you do expect.

[00:29:46] Did you expect them to be that effective? Did you, did you go, I'll give it a try and see.

[00:29:50] Ronnie Milo: [00:29:50] Yeah. I mean, I thought it was a fad, right? Cause everybody who started, you know, I was in the supplement space and you know, going through the Arnolds and the Olympia and these guys were promoting him.

[00:29:57] And I got some one, one of the, you know, gadgets from [00:30:00] where the guys did some trading from some supplements and took them home and was the only guy in the gym using, I'm kinda felt dumb, but I didn't care. You know, I was doing from doing it for aesthetic purposes and, uh, you know, like I said, my legs grew.

[00:30:13] Tremendously. You know what I mean? So

[00:30:15] Carl Lanore: [00:30:15] here's, here's what I've been doing with them. So I trained with them and then I leave them on for about four hours afterwards. And maintain that. And I like even my forearms get so painfully pumped. It's like methyl one test in your back. I like typing is difficult.

[00:30:32] And, and I walk, I walk on the treadmill with them. It's like you feel like you just did an hour's worth of lunges and my legs. You know, I haven't been training my legs because I had the foot surgery and then I got the, the hamstring tear. My legs are bigger now and I'm not hardly training them.

[00:30:48] It's because of these bands. It's just, I don't understand why everybody isn't using them and these bands specifically. Because they're pneumatic. They blow up with air. They have the little gauge. So you know, you [00:31:00] got, you know, 350 milligrams of mercury of pressure on both arms, 450 on both legs.

[00:31:05] You can set them, you know, it's not like cutting off the circulation, like those tourniquet things. This is the wheel. This is developed around the actual katsu research that we talked about back in 2006 2007 on the show. I will never train without them ever again. I just don't know why. I would.

[00:31:21] Ronnie Milo: [00:31:21] Yeah, I'm going to order him once I get off.

[00:31:24] Carl Lanore: [00:31:24] Yeah. Use the code. SHR it's, it's 10% off. But anyway, so, um, uh, let's get back to this, this topic. So I remember the first guy to tell me this was the guy, uh, I can't think of his name right now, but he has like a, he was the first one to come out with that potato starch, uh, pre-workout, uh, glucose polymer.

[00:31:45] Uh, that was all the rage back in the day. Uh, Anthony Almeda. I have an amazing memory. Uh, Anthony Almeda, when one day we were talking at a show, I think it was the Arnold, and, uh, I told him that I was [00:32:00] using growth hormone. He says, that's horrible. You're going to become insulin resistant. I said, really?

[00:32:03] Why? He says, because it raises IGF one and Andy, and you're going to become insulin resistant. Well, one of the things that was shown in this recent study. That we're talking about that you said came from, where did it come from? Hungry. I'm

[00:32:17] Ronnie Milo: [00:32:17] not hungry.

[00:32:18] Carl Lanore: [00:32:18] Is that the presence of IGF one actually takes the burden off of the pancreas to produce more insulin and may in fact be a contributing factor.

[00:32:31] The people who develop insulin resistance that their IGF one levels are too low.

[00:32:37] Ronnie Milo: [00:32:37] Right? I think if you look at, if you look at insulin and IGF wanting gather, same molecular structure, right? So the body identifies it the same way. When you do take OD you GF one, your body diminishes 20% of blood sugar, right?

[00:32:50] It's not 100% like insulin, so you're going to get a decrease in blood sugar. When you get a decrease in blood sugar, you're going to get decrease in insulin because your pancreas doesn't apt to output [00:33:00] insulin as well.

[00:33:01] Carl Lanore: [00:33:01] All of a sudden it had a helper. It got a helper.

[00:33:04] Ronnie Milo: [00:33:04] Right? It's like, Oh, thank God I don't have to put more, more, more insulin out of the pancreas, right?

[00:33:09] So the pancreas goes, ah, I've got a break. Right? So then your body starts to, you know, slowly down-regulate insulin. So you know, you're not insulin resistant anymore. You know what I mean? I think he's saying at the super physiological doses, right? They could happen over time. Right? But we all know IGF one, if we're using it, we use it 30 days on take about four or five weeks off so the body can normalize.

[00:33:30] But if these guys are standing for a year. You know, a year and a half, and then they'll become, start becoming insulin resistance because now you're throwing everything out of wack. Right. By doesn't move to do it's overcompensating for the exogenous amount of sources. And then you'll start to see, you know, downregulation in the thyroid production because G S H is very responsible for IGF, right.

[00:33:50] You know, if you, if you look at a lot of the bodybuilders back in the day, they take a massive amount of growth hormone, they'll have to run T3 with it because their TSH is becoming very, very high.

[00:33:59] Carl Lanore: [00:33:59] You know [00:34:00] what? I forgot all about that. But you're right. In fact, and in fact, the high levels of growth hormone actually diminish the effect of this, of thyroid hormones.

[00:34:10] So you're right, they have that interplay, that interesting relationship. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

[00:34:15] Ronnie Milo: [00:34:15] Yeah, and that's a super physiological goal,

[00:34:17] Carl Lanore: [00:34:17] right? Yeah. No, 10 I 10 I use a day. Yeah, right.

[00:34:20] Ronnie Milo: [00:34:20] You're in that, you know, that's bro science guys that are running the 10 I use a day. You know, for what reason?

[00:34:25] Who knows? But at the end of the day, you know, if it's an optimal range, it actually, it'll decrease insulin resistance, right? It'll actually help you burn fat at a faster rate. Recovery ligament, bone tendon. Stops and stops the inflammation process in the brain. You know, it's, there's a bunch of different effects that happens for optimal IGF levels, right?

[00:34:45] And we test for it. You know, we test for specific IGF, one in our bloodwork, and usually we'll see a decrease in IGF levels would decrease it testosterone levels, right? Cause those two work hand in hand, you know what I mean?

[00:34:57] Carl Lanore: [00:34:57] So in fact, is it a true [00:35:00] I'm going back to the day now. It's, I'm going to have to ask you, but is it a true.

[00:35:05] That, uh, aromatizing androgens like testosterone because of the in men, especially the elevation of estrogen actually increases growth hormone production.

[00:35:16] Ronnie Milo: [00:35:16] Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Cause that's what you say, it's more anabolic with testosterone. Right? If you look, if you look at the women, you know, they're estrogen dominant.

[00:35:24] They're typically stronger than some men. You know what I mean? Well, we just don't want the side effects of high estrogen. Right. Cause we enrolled with ties at a high rate. We don't want the side effects from it. So we try to keep it in a, in a, an optimal range. But yeah. Well, I see it all the time.

[00:35:36] I'll see you down. Regulation obviously up regulation of TSH, which is hypo thyroidism, right? Which is too much TSH. I'll see low IGF one and low testosterone. And then the first thing they'll ask is, Hey, can we go on a, on a thyroid medicine? Now let's, let's correct the hormones. I'd you have to correct it.

[00:35:52] And then CSH will get corrected. And within 90 days we get the blood work back and they're like, dude, you're right. You're right.

[00:35:57] Carl Lanore: [00:35:57] So, so if somebody comes to your clinic [00:36:00] specifically, they hearing this show, they're thinking, you know, I'd like, you know, I, I'm on testosterone already. Maybe they're with a different clinic, but the clinic that they're with doesn't offer peptide support.

[00:36:10] And they come to you and they excuse me. And they say, you know, w what about IGF one? You prescribe the long, our three version, I would imagine from TaylorMade right.

[00:36:20] Ronnie Milo: [00:36:20] Yeah. So RG one Oh three and LR three is the long chain of in the third position. If all you can stop there. No, you know, that's how they do it.

[00:36:29] Carl Lanore: [00:36:29] I didn't know that's what it meant. So thanks for clearing that up. So it's the long chain of odd cause I asked dr earth, what is it about, uh, LR three that's changed to make it last longer cause it has like a seven day half-life, right? 20 day like. Oh so 30 but, but is it, is it a 20 day half life where most of it is upfront?

[00:36:51] Like, like CJC 1295 yeah. Cause

[00:36:54] Ronnie Milo: [00:36:54] it buys the protein so it stays active in the system longer. So if you look at the amino acid sequence, the [00:37:00] IGF one, it's 70 amino acids. IGF one LR three is 83 so it picks up 13 more amino acids and it's, they swap out the Ludovic acid for our, Janine. Yeah. And for our Jeanine and the third position to make it bind to the protein to keep it active in the system longer.

[00:37:18] That's how it does it.

[00:37:19] Carl Lanore: [00:37:19] Are there any other special attributes to ILR three that we don't see in regular IGF? One? Like does it have any, uh, cause now, now it almost sounds like a, a selective, uh, uh, amino acid, if you will. So it, do we see greater growth with it as a result of these changes.

[00:37:36] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:37:37] Ronnie Milo: [00:37:37] Absolutely. Right. Cause if you do it, I get one ELA three it's in the system about 10 to 12 hours. Right? Right. So it's, it's binding to the protein thing longer, so it's actually being utilized longer. So you get tissue replication, silver application life policies that are at a longer rate.

[00:37:50] Right. It's kind of set it and forget it. Right. You know, you put it in that you put the Turkey in the oven, you set it and forget it. That's kind of IGF one LR.

[00:37:58] Carl Lanore: [00:37:58] Yeah. So, so, [00:38:00] so back in the day when I used it, uh, the idea was, uh. If you were going to use it and target muscles, you usually had to, you know, to latch to, to Dell, you put a hundred units, a hundred micrograms, a hundred yeah, a hundred micrograms in each.

[00:38:16] Is that still the accepted a hundred micrograms to 200 micrograms when dosing it?

[00:38:21] Ronnie Milo: [00:38:21] It all depends on your goals, right? If it's for muscle growth, you know, and usually in a hundred a hundred to 150 microgram range, if it's for health and longevity, probably recommend 20 to 40 micrograms.

[00:38:30] Carl Lanore: [00:38:30] Interesting. Interesting.

[00:38:32] Ronnie Milo: [00:38:32] Also the GF levels. Cause if they're in the tank, then you might have to go with more than 100 micrograms just to get it to an optimal level. But if they're, if they're almost normal and you want them into an optimization level, then we'll probably back down the dosage.

[00:38:45] And it all depends on weight, you know

[00:38:47] Carl Lanore: [00:38:47] how so the big, the bigger the person needs more, you mean? Yeah, absolutely. More tissue, more tissue,

[00:38:53] Ronnie Milo: [00:38:53] more tissue.

[00:38:54] Carl Lanore: [00:38:54] They a bigger yard, more water. So, um, so, so, uh, when you [00:39:00] would. Prescribe IGF one long or three for one of your clients. Um, once they're using it, when do you retest and do you retest like the day after the shot or do you retest w w what's the, what's the testing protocol to make sure you're getting a true snapshot as opposed to an exaggerated snapshot of what the dose is doing?

[00:39:25] Right?

[00:39:25] Ronnie Milo: [00:39:25] So the LR R three is going to be active in the system for 20 to 30 days after. So we'll probably monitor them probably 20 to 30 days after their last injection and just see where their levels are at. I've had a guy come back, his levels were 600 that

[00:39:38] Carl Lanore: [00:39:38] fast. Yeah. How much, how much was he taking?

[00:39:41] He was

[00:39:42] Ronnie Milo: [00:39:42] saying 150 micrograms.

[00:39:43] Carl Lanore: [00:39:43] I just took off. So I, I've been using it sporadically, uh, because I'm using a, uh, IGF one, uh, E. C, which is a McConnell growth factor as well. I use that, uh, the day of and the day after training. [00:40:00] Um, and I use it pretty high dose of that. I use 200 to 250 micrograms, uh, two days in a row, which I think is considered high for IGF.

[00:40:08] Well, I'm a MGF, right?

[00:40:09] Ronnie Milo: [00:40:09] Yeah. Okay.

[00:40:11] Carl Lanore: [00:40:11] Okay. So if I'm using IGF one long or three, which I have, uh, would, would I just inject it once a month, once a week, once every two weeks? What would I do. What are you using

[00:40:23] Ronnie Milo: [00:40:23] it for? You use it for recovery, using it for body composition.

[00:40:26] Carl Lanore: [00:40:26] You came to recovery for body composition and and obviously to to age better.

[00:40:32] So

[00:40:32] Ronnie Milo: [00:40:32] I'd probably dose you 50 micrograms every day. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'll be grams every day. And then if you do it before you train, obviously it's utilized Cod, mobilize fat at a higher range, so you burn fat at a faster rate if you use it after you trans can help with recovery purposes too. So.

[00:40:49] But I would enact cause that mechanical growth factor first wait 15 to 20 minutes and then do the IGF one. So let

[00:40:58] Carl Lanore: [00:40:58] them, since the idea of one has [00:41:00] such a long life, I just take it first thing in the morning. okay.

[00:41:07] Ronnie Milo: [00:41:07] Yeah, we do that. Yeah. For health and longevity. Right. You know, you got, you got the guy that sits behind a computer all day.

[00:41:12] I'm not really into training, just wants it for health and longevity. You recommend it first thing in the morning, right? Because that's where the growth hormone levels are the lowest.

[00:41:20] Carl Lanore: [00:41:20] So clear up. Something else for me that I've never understood. So I have both a IGF one long or three, and I have vials of IGF one long or three receptor grade.

[00:41:30] I, I got them from peptide sciences, uh, which by the way, we now have a code for peptide sciences. They've gotten so many new customers from us that they gave me a code. A SHR if you're, if you're a first time buyer from peptide sciences and use the code SHR, they'll give you a 10% off your first order.

[00:41:49] That's all. Anyway, so what's the difference between receptive grade and just the regular old peptide. The

[00:41:58] Ronnie Milo: [00:41:58] IGF one, just [00:42:00] one is not, doesn't have the LR three is not the receptor. Great.

[00:42:02] Carl Lanore: [00:42:02] No, no, no, no. This is LR three. So I have I regular IGF one LR three that doesn't say anything on it. And then I have other vials that say IGF one LR three receptor grade.

[00:42:15] Ronnie Milo: [00:42:15] That's new to me.

[00:42:16] Carl Lanore: [00:42:16] Yeah. I've never heard it. Supposedly it's, it's supposed to have a greater affinity to the receptor. I just don't know what that means.

[00:42:22] Ronnie Milo: [00:42:22] So they're, they're my experiences. Two IGF, one LR three. There's one with D, E S, and then there's the regular ELA three. Maybe there was some degrade as the Des version.

[00:42:31] Carl Lanore: [00:42:31] Tell me what the D, what D E S is. It's, so, is that, is that kind of like McConnell growth factor with the, uh, the longer lifespan.

[00:42:40] Ronnie Milo: [00:42:40] Yeah. So the DS is kind of like the drug affinity complex for a, for CPC.

[00:42:44] Carl Lanore: [00:42:44] Okay.

[00:42:45] Ronnie Milo: [00:42:45] So it actually prolongs the drug in the system for a long period of time. Um, I don't know how long that is.

[00:42:52] I've had a good experience with the D S uh, I've used it before. I've had better experience with the LR three. Uh, and then a lot, a lot of my [00:43:00] buddies would say that they get crushed in the blood sugar, the DS, because it's active in the system longer.

[00:43:05] Carl Lanore: [00:43:05] So now I want to talk about that for a second, to kind of tie this all together.

[00:43:09] Um, IGF one acts like insulin. So if you are already insulin resistant, if you are somebody who is not metabolically flexible, I. E. you can't fast for very long. Like if you try to, if you go without a meal for three or four hours, you become anxious. You become angry, you become groggy. You can't think straight.

[00:43:33] You are already. Suffering from the lack of metabolic flexibility, a gift that your ancestors gave to you to be able to go for long periods of time without food and run on other substrates like fatty acids and ketones. So you are already insulin resistant. So using anything that increases IGF, that's real.

[00:43:56] I don't mean to Sarah vital crap that they're pitching on T V that does nothing [00:44:00] except just if you're going to buy Sara vital, just send me your money. You're gonna, you're to have to say that you're gonna have the same results and, and, and the money will be out of your hands as well, and you'll feel better cause she gave it to the show.

[00:44:12] But if you'll use it in real stuff, you using, you know, CJC 1295 GHR PS, uh, Ipoh, Maryellen Semora, you're using real growth Homeland to create a Gog that legitimately raise growth hormone. Which in turn legitimately raises IGF one and you are in fact at that threshold of insulin resistance that you're probably prediabetic.

[00:44:35] You're in the one twenties most fasted mornings and maybe even higher. You will notice a anxiety tremor and sweating from real growth hormones, accreta, Gaga, and IGF, one lung or three as well. And maybe even MGF. Because they're shuttling blood glucose out of your blood, which your pancreas is failed to be able to do any longer.

[00:44:59] Ronnie Milo: [00:44:59] Right? So the [00:45:00] inconsistency of the speaking thisness spiking and the dropping of the blood sugars is going to create that environment for the anxiety and the, uh, uh, all the other different effects that you were saying

[00:45:10] Carl Lanore: [00:45:10] that, you know, I have been having some problems and I just realized it. I mean, it could be my, I'm using too much IGF.

[00:45:18] One little right. Um,

[00:45:21] Ronnie Milo: [00:45:21] what are you experiencing?

[00:45:23] Carl Lanore: [00:45:23] I'm having some anxiety. Like I told you, I, I've been noticed lately. I've, I've had anxiety. It's like this underlying thing that if I think about something that would normally not affect me, all of a sudden it kind of stresses me out. And I may, I also have to back down my testosterone.

[00:45:39] I think that at 61 years old, I'm not training like I should be. You know, I should be spending two hours in the gym every single day. I really should. That's what I should be doing because that's when I thrive. You know, I'm going in for a 30 or 40 minute workouts sitting in the sauna for 1520 minutes.

[00:45:56] I'm rushing to the studio to get to work. And the [00:46:00] idea of using 500 milligrams a week of testosterone is just reckless and silly and wasteful and wasteful. So I do have to drop my dose down. Uh, to something more reasonable, like 200, 250 milligrams a week for now. But yeah, I've, I've had this underlying, uh, anxiety, and I have started to use IGF one long or three again.

[00:46:19] So I wonder if that's, if I know I'm not prediabetic because, uh, my, my blood sugar, my fasting blood sugar is always in the 70s, always. And sometimes it's, it's low sixties. Um, so I know I'm metabolically flexible, but I'm just wondering if maybe. I dunno, it's hard for me to

[00:46:38] Ronnie Milo: [00:46:38] suddenly go into is, you know, a lot of people will, will ask us about fasting glucose.

[00:46:42] Right. And that to me means absolutely nothing. You gotta look at other factors.

[00:46:45] Carl Lanore: [00:46:45] You've got to look at insulin, C-peptide, you gotta look at it to be

[00:46:48] Ronnie Milo: [00:46:48] one AC. Right? So when was the last time you got blood work

[00:46:51] Carl Lanore: [00:46:51] done? Oh, I'm just about to have it done. I actually, I should've had it done on Monday, but I didn't, I'm probably going to have it done before I leave to go hunting.

[00:46:58] Yeah.

[00:46:58] Ronnie Milo: [00:46:58] Yeah. And then you'll be able to see what's [00:47:00] going on, see what's contributing to the anxiety. No, it could be. It could be the

[00:47:05] Carl Lanore: [00:47:05] insulin. I had another thought. This is really good that I've got you on the show right now. So I've been using a 150 I use of HCG every single night for the better part of a year, and I ran out when we were on the cruise ship and I haven't re up my, and I always take it right before bed.

[00:47:23] Ronnie Milo: [00:47:23] Then I got same day, your testosterone injection.

[00:47:25] Carl Lanore: [00:47:25] I do it every day. I take a 150 I'll use a of HCG right before bed every single night because it makes me sleep so deeply. And I, and I said to Elisa, you know, the only thing, cause my sleep has gotten real crappy lately. And the only thing that's changed really is that I haven't been using the HCG before bed.

[00:47:43] Right? Yeah. So typically

[00:47:44] Ronnie Milo: [00:47:44] we're not supposed to recommend taking the EGD the same day as the testosterone shots. We stagger them. Why have you do it before? And the testosterone shot after the testosterone shot? Because those two will cancel each other out. They won't work. I've had a gentleman come back, his blood [00:48:00] work, his testosterone was a 700 and he was on HCG, but you've taken the the same day as the testosterone injections is the LH and FSH for 0.0 so it wasn't working.

[00:48:10] Yeah. It wasn't working. So we always recommend staggering the HTG and the testosterone on the different days.

[00:48:15] Carl Lanore: [00:48:15] So I could just take that one day off. But I, I'm using the Chrysalis protocol, dr John Chrysalis protocol, where you take 150 I use every day. So what you're saying is just don't take it the day that I do my injections.

[00:48:29] Ronnie Milo: [00:48:29] Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now, is that his, his, his, uh, his approach with the testosterone as well, if you're taking the testosterone the same day as the, or how's he doing

[00:48:38] Carl Lanore: [00:48:38] that? Um, I'll have to look up the book again. I have it, I'll send it to you. He wrote a book on his, his mcg protocol. I, in fact, I'm gonna make it available to the entire audience on the website, uh, as soon as possible, cause everybody should read that again.

[00:48:50] Poor guy's gone now. I feel bad. I think about them all the time. Um, let's do this. Let's take our last commercial break and when we come back, we'll tell people. How they can get [00:49:00] started on using IGF one, one law three to the, to the clinics. They too. I'm still hacking up a lung from being sick.

[00:49:09] Are you using

[00:49:09] Ronnie Milo: [00:49:09] little 15

[00:49:11] Carl Lanore: [00:49:11] I'm out of it actually. I got an upper respiratory virus on the F on the cruise. It was a virus, you know, I found that it was a virus, so of course you go to the doctor. He tested me for strep. He goes, it's not strep. He says, but it looks like you got a lot going on in the back of your throat.

[00:49:32] I'm going to give you a Z-Pak. And so this is the first time I've been like, okay, give me the Z-Pak doc, cause I don't want to be stupid. I want to get better faster. I take the Z-pack, nothing. Nothing. Yeah. So my eye gets all bloodshot and stinging, and that's the eye that I had the, uh, corneal abrasion.

[00:49:51] So I don't fool around with it. So I go to the eye doctor. And she looked. She goes, no, the abrasion is great. She looks at it, she looks under the eyelid. She goes, Oh, you've got a little [00:50:00] viral infection in your eye. I says, how do you know? She goes, well, the I, the, uh, the, the container conjunctiva underneath the lid, follicular Phillip realizes.

[00:50:13] So it gets these little bumps that have a white tip on it, almost like a hair wants to grow out of it, right? Right. She says, yeah. She says, that's indicative of a virus. I'm thinking to myself, why don't any GPS know this? Like when you go, when they go, Oh yeah, you got something in your throat.

[00:50:30] Let me look. Why don't they go, let me look on your eye. Oh, you know, you got a little viral infection. Your I probably a virus. There's nothing we can do for it. I'm not going to give you an antibiotic. I can give

[00:50:41] Ronnie Milo: [00:50:41] you a five. I and also alpha one

[00:50:43] Carl Lanore: [00:50:43] though. That's what I took. I mean, I got better fast.

[00:50:45] I took time as an alpha one and LL three seven. Every day, and I got better, but I still have this, um, I still have this, uh, thing going on, which actually may be microbial [00:51:00] after the fact, but the LL three seven is going to kill that too.

[00:51:03] Ronnie Milo: [00:51:03] So I've used it before.

[00:51:06] Carl Lanore: [00:51:06] So, um, if somebody contacts the clinic, what's the process?

[00:51:10] If they just, they, they just want to start using an IGF one lung artery.

[00:51:14] Ronnie Milo: [00:51:14] Yeah. So, you know, we talked a lot about IGF. One, it's in the bodybuilding aspect, but we cover a bunch of different things. Uh, you know, that uses for, for health and wellness, right? Uh, IGF one is helpful with the Crohn's disease, helps with any kind of GI intestinal issues, whether it's IBS, whether it's diverticulitis.

[00:51:33] Also helps with, uh, Alzheimer's, the dementia, Parkinson's, osteoporosis, um, uh, and stroke patients, right? So you don't have to be a bodybuilder or an athlete to take IGF one. Alright. If you wanna just look into it for health and longevity, or if you have so many issues that we've covered, uh, you go ahead and email me at Milo, M I L O at renew life, our X, and then I will send you a link.

[00:51:56] Actually, I'll jump on the phone. We'll do a. Quick [00:52:00] console, kind of figure out what's going on, get to know you a little bit, and then I'll send you a link. And it's a three step process, a health history questionnaire, labs, a physical form, and then a, we take everything to the doctor and the doctor writes a program up and then, you know.

[00:52:15] Uh, myself and the patient will go over the program with it, and then we'll discuss, uh, what's, uh, what medications are kind of a supplementation. Uh,

[00:52:22] Carl Lanore: [00:52:22] we recommend in fact, doc dr BECI earth on that podcast that we just did recently about IGF one, LR three. And MGF excuse me, I'm gonna clear my throat.

[00:52:35] Um, said you may already be on CJC and implant Maryellen. But if you're hepatically compromised, if your liver isn't functioning right, you could still have low level levels of IGF one and that's when she comes in and says, we're going to keep you on the Socrata Gaga because the two and all these other good [00:53:00] things, but we're going to also supplement with a little IGF one because we're not seeing enough of a conversion.

[00:53:05] So those of you out there saying, yeah, but I'm, I'm already taken. You know, a, a growth hormone, secreted gods, why would I need that? Well, because you may not be producing enough IGF one from those, depending on the older you get. Sometimes you got to kind of feed in here and there where you need it.

[00:53:21] Isn't that a true statement? Yeah, absolutely. 100%

[00:53:23] Ronnie Milo: [00:53:23] and that's why we look at the IGF one levels, right? Because if you're on, you know, the GRPs RPS and the GHR H is, and you're still, you know, below optimal levels, then we'll have to, you know, recommend IGF one.

[00:54:03] [00:54:00] Carl Lanore: [00:54:03] Interesting. Great information. Renew life. rx.com is the place to go. As you can see, you're not gonna get this kind of complete service from anybody else out there. Cause I, you know, I, I got emailed from a guy today, really nice guy. He's having some issues. He's working with a clinic. I said, what are you taking?

[00:54:25] And you know, testosterone 200 milligrams a week, uh, anastrozole half a milligram every three days. Um. Uh, and he's also on ATG, 500 units twice a week. And I emailed them back and said, uh, did they add the AI N after your first blood test or did they give it to you right from the get go? No, right from the get go.

[00:54:52] And I'm like, cookie cutter. There's so many people that made this cookie cutter. Like, how do you even know this guy needs an AI? You don't even know if he [00:55:00] needs

[00:55:00] Ronnie Milo: [00:55:00] it. Yeah, I mean, we've got guys, I've been to clinics, they come into our clinic and our estrogen's crashed, and I'm like, Oh, well, your, here's your program.

[00:55:07] There's like, where's my, you know, and was all, I'm like, why don't I have two internationals all this time? You know what I mean? You're, you're through the roof. I mean, you're, you're, I mean, you're in the basement, so. Yeah, I did that. We don't, we don't do cookie cutter approaches. It's wellness by design.

[00:55:20] Right. We do it basically off of your symptoms and your reference ranges. Right. Basically walk your symptoms. I don't, I don't like to read paper. Right? When I was a paramedic, we don't read the monitor. We read the patient. All right, and that's what I tell a lot of my patients. I don't really make a determination or write a program based on your reference ranges on your symptoms, like how were you feeling?

[00:55:40] Like w w that makes them more of a determination on how to treat you. Then. Just looking at a piece of paper, right? Cause that's what regular doctors do. Oh look, your testosterone is this, this and this. You're fine. Okay. Call you later. You know? Well, I still feel like garbage. I'm still, you know, can't sleep, so have no sex drive this and that.

[00:55:57] Well in the paper it says you're good, but you know, [00:56:00] we don't do that. You know, I read more of the symptoms than anything.

[00:56:03] Carl Lanore: [00:56:03] Renew life rx.com go there, check it out. Reach out to Ronnie. Give your email address just one more time.

[00:56:10] Ronnie Milo: [00:56:10] Milo at renew life RX, M I L This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it..

[00:56:16] Carl Lanore: [00:56:16] Thanks for being here today, brother.

[00:56:18] Ronnie Milo: [00:56:18] Thanks man. Appreciate you. I feel better. I talked

[00:56:20] Carl Lanore: [00:56:20] about what's up.

[00:56:21] Ronnie Milo: [00:56:21] All right, man. Good luck.

[00:56:23] Carl Lanore: [00:56:23] Oh yeah. I'm coming back with something. I don't know what yet, but I'll come back with something. Even if it's a frog, I'll shoot a frog.

[00:56:29] Ronnie Milo: [00:56:29] If it's Brown, it's down.

[00:56:30] Carl Lanore: [00:56:30] There you go. There you go. Hi. And we'll see her by tomorrow with more superhuman radio.

[00:56:34] Thank you for watching and listening today. [00:57:00]