[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] welcome back to superhuman radio. Today is Tuesday, November 26 2019 and it's the blueprint power hour today

[00:00:11] Coach Rob Regish: [00:00:11] with

[00:00:12] Carl Lanore: [00:00:12] coach rod regular. She'll join me in just a moment. Uh, just wanted to mention I'm wearing my BFR bands. I trained this morning, second day, back to the gym. Very, very long layoff.

[00:00:23] You know, I ha I hadn't trained since I took the cruise to Canada. Uh, got sick on the cruise to Canada, remained sick for three and a half weeks, and then a hunting season. Uh. Preparation and going there and coming back. And yesterday was my first day back in the gym. And, uh, it's a, it's gotta be a, a, a road back for me, but this is gonna be a big year.

[00:00:50] Three 2020 is going to be a breakout year. When I turned 62, I will be ripped. What's up, Bobby. Thanks for being here.

[00:00:57] Coach Rob Regish: [00:00:57] Uh,

[00:00:57] Carl Lanore: [00:00:57] and that's my goal and I'm putting it out there [00:01:00] because I got to live up to it now. Uh, okay. So without further delay calling all

[00:01:06] Coach Rob Regish: [00:01:06] blueprint army, fall in line, it's time for the blueprint power hour with coach Rob ragers on the superhuman radio network.

[00:01:18] Carl Lanore: [00:01:18] Bobby is also a big fan of a blood flow restriction. He's probably been using it a lot longer than I have. Uh, and he says he's wearing his bands also right now. So anyway, Rob, how are you brother? It's been a long time since you and I've been on the air.

[00:01:32] Coach Rob Regish: [00:01:32] I know. It seems like forever, doesn't it?

[00:01:34] Carl Lanore: [00:01:34] I forgot how to do this. So what do we do now?

[00:01:37] Coach Rob Regish: [00:01:37] Well, we just, we just made it by the hair.

[00:01:40] Carl Lanore: [00:01:40] I know people should only know what goes on behind the scenes to bring this show on every day. It's just. It's like gremlins.

[00:01:47] Coach Rob Regish: [00:01:47] Gremlins. Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, I'm, I'm doing great. Um, I'm joined today by, uh, my girls, ginger and Molly, and what Molly wanted a little air time.

[00:01:57] I don't know if you saw her earlier, but, [00:02:00] um, listen, I'm doing great. I have a. Only one injury to speak of. I'm back in the gym training and I'm, I'm healthy. So what else can you want? Right.

[00:02:09] Carl Lanore: [00:02:09] You know, people say to me, Oh, you got to find a reason to be grateful every day. I'm grateful. You know?

[00:02:15] It's really funny. I have so many frigging injuries and I do live with chronic pain, but it doesn't get in my way. I don't think about it on a day to day basis. I just roll past it. And, you know, I'm just like, I was thinking this morning after getting out of the gym, I feel so good after training.

[00:02:35] I don't, I don't need to find reasons to be grateful. Um, I F I feel like I, I, I feel gratitude all day long without having to really think about it.

[00:02:45] Coach Rob Regish: [00:02:45] Right. So anyway. Yeah. I mean, good health is something that you can't buy. And I've learned that and uh, and I've seen it in my personal life and believe you me, it's true.

[00:02:57] Carl Lanore: [00:02:57] You realize I've been behind this microphone doing this show [00:03:00] now for 14 years.

[00:03:02] Coach Rob Regish: [00:03:02] That's amazing.

[00:03:03] Carl Lanore: [00:03:03] 14 years.

[00:03:05] Coach Rob Regish: [00:03:05] That is absolutely it. Does it seem like that to you?

[00:03:08] Carl Lanore: [00:03:08] No, it does. That's the, that's the scary part. I love doing this and you know, like people talk about retiring, why would I retire? As long as I have a voice and I can get around that I can, and I have a brain that functions and still is inquisitive.

[00:03:21] Why would I stop doing this? Why would I want to stop learning? For 14 years I've been learning from the best teachers in the world.

[00:03:29] Coach Rob Regish: [00:03:29] I was going to say, you're probably the most well-informed guy who has learned the most in the shortest period of time because you came to physical culture relatively late compared to somebody.

[00:03:40] Yeah.

[00:03:40] Carl Lanore: [00:03:40] Yeah. I was a big fat bastard first. Bobby says it doesn't define you the pain. You're right, it doesn't, it doesn't really, it doesn't get in my way either. I, so let's get started here with the first question that comes from Paul Reynolds is, I really want to get ripped, but not sure where to start.

[00:03:58] I've tried it before, but to [00:04:00] no avail. I just haven't been able to see my abs. What am I doing wrong? What are you doing? What are you, what, what are you, what are you doing

[00:04:09] Coach Rob Regish: [00:04:09] right? Some more details off they would have been, would have been good. Um,

[00:04:13] Carl Lanore: [00:04:13] I mean, what people say, I've tried, I've tried this already.

[00:04:16] It didn't work. Like I have a friend who says she tried high protein, it doesn't work. And I'm like, what did you try? What did you do.

[00:04:22] Coach Rob Regish: [00:04:22] Yeah. And so much goes into it as we'll talk about here. Um, now having said all of that, I am probably not the best person to ask this question because I have spent the better part of 35 years going the other way, trying to gain weight and size and take up more real estate.

[00:04:42] Um, but at age 33 to about what, seven, eight, nine years outside of my hormonal prime, I decided to cut. And so why did I decide to do that? Well, I wanted to be better versed in all things, [00:05:00] physical culture, and the only way you're going to learn about. You know, cutting is to actually cut yourself.

[00:05:06] So let me tell you about what I've learned. Just spite what people will tell you elsewhere. The single most important variable in getting cut is your diet. You can work out like a demon. You can. Get eight to 10 hours of sleep a night. You can take all the supplements or super supplements in the world, but if your diet is not on point, you will not be cut.

[00:05:34] You will not see your abs, which for most guys that I talk to, that's their goal, uh, while retaining as much muscle as possible. So a few things, um, that I learned in my experience. I'm like, I've done it two or three times since then, but. Unless right. Unless you're genetically gifted, the most important thing is your food.

[00:05:56] There's just no other way to say it. For most [00:06:00] people, diet is the key. And to me, this, this dieting can be summed up into words. It sucks. I'm hating. I absolutely hate it. Why? Um. You're more or less a slave to food, you're not going to be eating out much cause you can't really control the calories.

[00:06:20] And in the later stages of dieting, you're going to be hungry. That's just how it is. And that's probably the worst part for me. That's the part that like gets me the worst. Right. And probably everyone, because it's when you're hungry that you are prone to slip. Right and eat too much or too, too much of the wrong thing.

[00:06:44] So, um, the other part that killed me was extended diets are hell on strength, especially size and strength levels. One of the, um, three or four times I've cut. I did so [00:07:00] on a straight ketogenic diet, and that was a huge mistake, probably because I was an Octo more so if that's you too, I would, I would entertain perhaps lower carbohydrates, but not a cubes.

[00:07:15] Genic diet. The muscle, 70% water and the suffix is hydrated. So when you remove the carbs, out goes the water and it go the other way around. That's why people gain prodigious amounts of weight coming off of a low carb diet, the body will store three, nearly three grams of water for every gram of carbohydrate.

[00:07:38] So along with this. Goes a strength drop in the gym. Now, there are ways of mitigating it, but generally speaking, and this is true for most people, um, you can retain strength and lower body. I've seen people actually upped the amount of weight they can squat and deadlift. However, it's the [00:08:00] upper body where most people.

[00:08:02] We'll lose, uh, strength, and in particular, the big barbell lifts, like the bench press, um, the standing military press, et cetera, et cetera. In order to get around that. Especially if you're not competing in powerlifting, I highly recommend switching to things like weighted to dips, right?

[00:08:21] Because you know, as you lose weight, dips are going to only get easier. And the same is true for chin ups. The same is true for handstand pushups. The same is true for virtually every body weight exercise that you perform. And, um, and I would tell you absolutely make the switch. Make the switch?

[00:08:42] No. So, um, I mentioned how all those things are magnified if you're an ectomorph, if you're a mezzo or endomorph, you generally, um, don't have problems losing too much muscle. It's the fact that just very, very slow to come off. [00:09:00] But w w the point is this, with enough time and proper dieting and hard training, almost anyone.

[00:09:07] Right. Can get lean in, see their apps. It's just a question of how long you want to suffer. I mean, that's really it, right? But this is also one of my, one of the observations, and so I wanted to note, because there's a huge clue here, the 10 to 12 days after dieting where I started to eat big again.

[00:09:30] We're among the 10 to 12 best physique and strength gaining days of my life, right? Because the body is, has been underfed for so long, probably over-trained a little bit, and now the food and the strength come rushing back because. Yeah. You're eating again, and I think, you know, last week we talked about the merits of overfeeding and that overfeeding alone can put on tons of muscle.

[00:09:59] The [00:10:00] only other thing I would tell you that goes along with this stringent dieting is this, do not make the mistake of lowering the amount of weight that you use and just say, I'm going to do lightweight for higher reps. know the muscle. We'll shrink because there's no reason for it to be big anymore.

[00:10:21] The heavy tension has gone. So your goal should be every, I would say, third or fourth workout to revert to heavyweights longer rest periods. Um, and trying to get, you know, I need to get as strong as possible, making small increments every week. Big fan of the fact that, you know, the best defense is a good office.

[00:10:46] So go on offense with your strength work. So, you know, that's my two cc's on dieting. Uh, I wish I had a better answer for you, but it really is the food. So

[00:10:59] Carl Lanore: [00:10:59] I've never [00:11:00] had a problem. Um, so first of all, I've never done a cut.

[00:11:05] Coach Rob Regish: [00:11:05] Uh,

[00:11:06] Carl Lanore: [00:11:06] I've dieted for years and I'm very close to seeing my abs. Now. I could see my abs very, very quickly.

[00:11:13] I, I tend to stay in that realm. Right? But, uh, anytime I saw my abs, it was the result of. Consistency. This is in my humble opinion. I don't think we can blame anything on any one diet other than maybe the vegan diet. We can say, yeah, it's a horrible idea, and I know that that like everybody is on the vegan diet today and going to be bodybuilders and champion powerlifters and there'll be hurt and no, this will crash and burn and five years from now.

[00:11:38] No one will be on the vegan diet again because it won't, it won't work. It's not, this is not going to work. Well, it's not, but, but more importantly, there are people like Bobby Cooper who probably is, is highly insulin sensitive and he does better on a kedo diet because he, he can actually replenish glycogen in muscle from his [00:12:00] liver a lot easier than the person who's slightly insulin resistant and he'll have less.

[00:12:06] Strength losses on the kettle diet, then somebody who isn't as insulin sensitive. But for me, the most important thing about dieting is pick something and stick the eff to it long enough to see changes. And we're talking about months of consistency of eating the same way day in, because here's the secret, folks.

[00:12:29] You became a fat slob by doing the same thing day in and day out with your diet for 10 years, and that's how you became a fat slob. That's how I became a 330 pound fat slob. I did the same. It was hard work. I ate the same way every day for 10 years. And then you expect to go on some fad diet and do a cut and you supplements and stuff, and you think you're going to get shredded in 16 or 22 weeks, and there are people that will do it.

[00:13:00] [00:13:00] They're not really telling you the truth about how extreme they're dieting. They'll say, I just took this pill and I know bologna, but the number one most important factor of your dieting success. Whether you go kedo, whether you go paleo, whether you go low carb, what you know is consistently doing it long enough and no one does that.

[00:13:24] Coach Rob Regish: [00:13:24] No one. Yeah, it's diets are very easy to give up on and much like training in the information age. You know, you can be on a new diet for two, three weeks and it's working great. And then you start reading, you start reading about other diets,

[00:13:42] Carl Lanore: [00:13:42] and then you switch. Right? Oh, well, maybe I should be doing this instead.

[00:13:46] Yeah, exactly.

[00:13:48] Coach Rob Regish: [00:13:48] So it's the training is the training equivalent of program Hobbit. Mel, don't be a diet hopper. Give something an honest try.

[00:13:57] Carl Lanore: [00:13:57] And what's an artist tried to you? How long? I'll tell you what my, [00:14:00] my opinion is,

[00:14:01] Coach Rob Regish: [00:14:01] uh, on, I would say an honest try is anywhere between 12 and 16 weeks. Now that's what, three, four months?

[00:14:10] Carl Lanore: [00:14:10] I take 36 weeks. I'm saying six months. Well, especially if you're, well, no, especially if you have, you're a fat slob now like I was, and now you're just going to start dieting. You know your body is going to lose some weight real quickly, and then all of a sudden it's going to stall because your body's going to go, okay enough with this BS, get back to the Wendy's and start eating some, some biggie fries.

[00:14:32] And so you have to give something six months of honest really doing it every day. Really doing it every day. This is the hardest thing for people to do, is to really do the same thing day in and day out, and that is where success is defined.

[00:14:49] Coach Rob Regish: [00:14:49] You don't want to. Interesting. I think the discrepancy in our answer was, I'm coming from the other side of the fence.

[00:14:55] You are, and so in 12 or 16 weeks, I see pretty [00:15:00] significant changes. Right. Whatever I'm doing, I advise you on the other hand, came from an entirely different place. And you got a lot more weight to lose, right than I did. So I think that that's an important part. Absolutely. Absolutely.

[00:15:17] Carl Lanore: [00:15:17] David harp says, Hey, coach new listener, and love the show.

[00:15:20] What do you think about ag Mateen?

[00:15:23] Coach Rob Regish: [00:15:23] Yeah. You know, Adam Jean. Is one of these products. So nitric oxide, and it's funny cause I was talking with John Drake about this last night, that this whole category of supplements, uh, admitting as far as an OTU products is concerned, has a reputation for being one of the better ones.

[00:15:45] The truth is, um, that while it may. You know, produce greater blood flow. I don't consider it, you know, the Holy grail or anything special. In fact, if you're looking to boost your NoQ production and do it with a supplement, [00:16:00] I would much rather see you consume six grams of L citrulline, right?

[00:16:05] Or die sets. Ralene Malley, which is centrally inbound doing Krebs cycle, intermediate. Um, central Nene is in effect. Time-released arching. Right, which is the amino acid most associated with nitric oxide related effects. Citrulline, though also shows other benefits, um, many other benefits, including holding onto more muscle, right.

[00:16:30] While dieting and improvements in anaerobic power. Those would be very important to me. Uh, and, and another couple of reasons to use this product instead of AGMA team. Now a word in about products in general, 20 years ago, that whole product category was launched by a guy named ed bird who was one half of the original EIS [00:17:00] before bill Phillips brought him out.

[00:17:02] So these were the people that, that. Just prior to this, I brought Korea team to the market, and I can vividly remember, uh, his pitch for it because unfortunately I bought a bottle of what it was, I think our Janine alphaketoglutarate for $70, and it was brand new. Um, and, and look while there are.

[00:17:29] I think some moderate may be performance benefits associated with it. I don't think it's worth anywhere near that amount of money. In fact, I think it's way overblown. I mentioned, I had this discussion last night with, with John, who runs a supplement company. You told me, he said, Rob, you know, an OTU was over like two or three years ago.

[00:17:52] He said, it's just doesn't. Generate the same kind of, you know, interest that it used to. [00:18:00] The question though becomes this, right? You want a good pump? Everybody likes a good pump, they look better in the gym. It feels great. You know, if you really want a good pump, learn how to get insulin up, uh, with a lot of water and that's going to do the job nicely.

[00:18:16] The trick. Is getting it high enough without consuming these big meals, which leave you sleepy, okay. And lethargic, which is not where you want to be going into a workout. I've mentioned before, uh, about watermelon. You know, and I can't tell you the number of guys who have written me over the years and said, Hey man, I did what you said, but the watermelon, and you're right.

[00:18:42] It felt like somebody stuck in air hose in me. Um, so that, you know, that's one way, but there are also others, you know, in time you're going to learn. How much steel cut oats, how many eggs, and how much natural peanut butter and honey [00:19:00] and water gives you a huge pump and, and truth be told, you know, that's the real way to do it.

[00:19:08] I mean, an auteur is a gas. It's a very helpful gas, right? It dilates love vessels and arteries, but. You know, to my mind, why not just let tribulus do that? Right? I mean, this happens in the furrow. Snorlax happenings in tribulus are great, not generators. And that's why it has so much research showing benefits to coronary heart function, um, and other things, right?

[00:19:36] Your actions, etc. Etc. Frankly, I think that's why people keep buying it. So that's the four one one on this product category. Um, I, I would certainly not be putting money dollars towards it, but if you're interested in it, it'll Ralene is probably the way to go.

[00:19:54] Carl Lanore: [00:19:54] You know what's really funny, there's one study that the ignore ignored [00:20:00] the, uh, fitness and supplement community when it comes to.

[00:20:04] And two precursors. And ironically, the study was performed at the university of Kentucky about,

[00:20:11] Coach Rob Regish: [00:20:11] um,

[00:20:13] Carl Lanore: [00:20:13] 12 or 13 years ago. And it showed that an increase in nitric oxide production, uh, most notably, uh, V nos and E nos produced by supplementing with large doses of Arginine, impaired muscle crunchy contractile force.

[00:20:40] Coach Rob Regish: [00:20:40] What's was

[00:20:40] Carl Lanore: [00:20:40] the added nitric oxide disrupts calcium channel activity and calcium channel activity is

[00:20:45] Coach Rob Regish: [00:20:45] what's responsible for

[00:20:47] Carl Lanore: [00:20:47] muscle fibers going and shortening up and

[00:20:50] Coach Rob Regish: [00:20:50] pulling your. And so,

[00:20:53] Carl Lanore: [00:20:53] uh, the interesting thing, and it makes perfect sense when you think about it, cause when, when lactate builds up, the muscles are [00:21:00] fatigued.

[00:21:00] There's a crisis going on in the muscle. So the logical thing is, Hey, let's, let's stop. Developing so much force so we can recover, you know, irrigate and get some of this lactic lactate out and you know, and so it makes perfect sense. But everyone ignored that study because it's too cool to, to flirt with the pump, but tell somebody, yeah, you're going to get a really good pump, but you're literally going to lose 1% of your strength.

[00:21:30] 2% most people say, Oh, I don't care. That's not much. I'd rather have the pump.

[00:21:34] Coach Rob Regish: [00:21:34] But it sounds like the app sounds like the opposite of when I pitched their home does at least in, in so far as the calcium channel, right? So

[00:21:45] Carl Lanore: [00:21:45] ed Gilbert says, I'm on the smallest side and a sport of big men football.

[00:21:49] What can I do to compete with these guys? Is it just a matter of taking more stuff? I'm sure he's talking about gear eating more or some combination of the [00:22:00] two.

[00:22:01] Coach Rob Regish: [00:22:01] Well, Eddie, um, I would tell you that there's no amount of drugs, uh, that's going to turn someone that's meant to weigh maybe 150 pounds into a 330 pounds, right?

[00:22:17] NFL lineman. It's just, which is not to say that you can't make tremendous progress progress. You may eventually like me get to 250 pounds, but your bone structure like me and other genetic traits are not going to change. Right? Even copious amounts of growth hormone along with testosterone and Anna drawl, it's not going to change the fact that, you know, my ankles are six inches around.

[00:22:48] I think they're smaller than my wife's, or at least equal with it. Um, it just doesn't work like that. You know, you just don't load up on drugs. And

[00:22:58] Carl Lanore: [00:22:58] in fact, and in [00:23:00] fact, Bobby Cooper makes an excellent point here. Eddie should focus on being faster and why that is not a snide remark, but accurate is a, uh, a two to a two to three bullet, 5.5600000000000005.

[00:23:15] NATO is like 85 grains maybe sometimes I think they're even lighter than that, but you can drop a black bear with it cause it's moving. Almost 3000 feet per second. So you increase your speed, you increase your inertia, you increase your, your potential impact when you hit a guy. So you take, you take a guy who's 175 pounds and, and he's speeding along and he hits some by, it's like a 300 pound guy hit him.

[00:23:45] Coach Rob Regish: [00:23:45] That is exactly where I was. I was going now. Yeah. No, the fact that you're 150 pounds, maybe that doesn't mean you can't improve your performance. In fact, you've got a competitive advantage there. It's called speed. [00:24:00] Uh, you know, and I, everybody knows the classic example, take a 10 pound plate, put it on your toe, doesn't hurt.

[00:24:07] Drop that 10 pound plate from six feet up. It might break your toe. Right? So, so what does this tell us? It tells us speed equals you're in the starting lineup and slow equals second team at the upper levels of sport. Sloan's going to be the difference between, you know, being a starter and not making the team at all.

[00:24:32] You know, you're probably all familiar with. What the differentials are in the finished placings of Olympic sprinters, right? What do they deal with? A hundredth of a second? Things like that, right? You know that, that, that makes a big difference. And speaking of sprinters to develop speed, you should study them.

[00:24:50] So what do we see when we look at sprinters? Extremely low levels of body fat, right? Extremely muscular,

[00:24:58] Carl Lanore: [00:24:58] fairly small upper bodies in [00:25:00] comparison to lower bodies. Right?

[00:25:02] Coach Rob Regish: [00:25:02] And they are screamingly strong and explosive. And so what that means is for you, Sprint's developing what I call first step, quickness with bans and parachutes and things like that.

[00:25:16] And plenty of plyometrics and speed drills, box jumps, medicine ball throws, standing high and long jumps and speed work with the Barbeau. All need to be worked and worked hard. Now, one other caveat about that, don't get carried away with plyometrics because you can do a lot of damage and things like, you know, box Joe.

[00:25:40] Carl Lanore: [00:25:40] I know somebody who just developed planter's Festy itis by doing a lot of plyometrics. Yeah. And now he's with that heel pain. Now,

[00:25:49] Coach Rob Regish: [00:25:49] in fact. I would consider that something, uh, akin to Olympic lifting. Go get a coach. Those skills are so [00:26:00] specialized, uh, and the, and your performance needs to be brought up in such a very disciplined manner, so you don't, right.

[00:26:08] Um, so you don't blow a knee out or whatever. I'll tell you this, like the in, in the back of my gym and the conditioning room, there's a 36 inch box. Which is what, three feet, right? I'm not the math guy, but that's right. My son can stand in front of it from a standing position, jump and onto that box.

[00:26:30] And he looked at me and he said, dad, can you do it? I said, show off Rob. I said, well, I said, it's probably so, but I am not willing. To, you know, tear an ACL or MCL or blow something else out,

[00:26:46] Carl Lanore: [00:26:46] pull a hamstring.

[00:26:46] Coach Rob Regish: [00:26:46] Right, right. Yeah. Cause it's not like there are mats around this either. It's just that AstroTurf that you push sleds out.

[00:26:54] So I don't fool with it. But, um, those are the types of things that can [00:27:00] make you a much more explosive, uh, and speedy athlete. So you might not wind up playing on the line. Or even, or even trying to do that, right? Because you're always going to be swimming upstream instead, you know, looked at positions, skilled positions, running back, wide receiver, special teams, right?

[00:27:23] That's where you should be focusing your time and energy and those guys. Win and lose ballgames, just like the people on the line, you know, if anything, it's a lot more glamorous position than the line. You know, when, when those guys are, or, let me put it this way, when football is done with those guys, most of the guys on my line, they're not very good shape.

[00:27:47] I, I know very few football players who escaped some sort of injury, um, that they're dealing with to this day. But if that's your chosen sport. That's what I would [00:28:00] do. And um, and never lament the fact that maybe you weren't born to be a 300 pound and a half fleet.

[00:28:06] Carl Lanore: [00:28:06] You'll live longer.

[00:28:08] Coach Rob Regish: [00:28:08] exactly. I was going to say, as you, as you

[00:28:10] Carl Lanore: [00:28:10] pay smaller, people live longer.

[00:28:12] It's a fact.

[00:28:14] Coach Rob Regish: [00:28:14] Yeah. I mean, there's a guy in, I'm sure you've seen this guy on YouTube. There's a guy in, I ran, he looks like he has a myostatin issue. He's 400 pounds of almost all muscle.

[00:28:25] Carl Lanore: [00:28:25] Are you kidding me?

[00:28:27] Coach Rob Regish: [00:28:27] No. Well look up Iranian giant bodybuilder, you'll see, you'll find it here. It is absolutely enormous.

[00:28:34] Okay, but, and, and that's pretty cool in your twenties but by the time he gets into his late thirties it's not going to be cool anymore and it's only going to get worse because I suspect given his myostatin issue or whatever issue he's got. Being a 200 pound person or even maybe 300 [00:29:00] is just not in the cards for him, which means neither is a long life.

[00:29:05] Carl Lanore: [00:29:05] Yeah. If you take, if you take this, this advice to heart, you will be a great football player. If you grab it, Ally's on your speed, you will hit people harder. You will go further and you will be a good football. This is, this is great advice in this said, this group here. And I hope he takes advantage of that.

[00:29:25] We're going to take a quick commercial break when we come back. We've got more questions. Next question comes from Andrew Davidson. If I got the order right, stay tuned. We'll be right back. Welcome back. We're joined by a special guest. It's Hunter Carl, and he's out in the woods.

[00:29:45] Coach Rob Regish: [00:29:45] It was

[00:29:46] Carl Lanore: [00:29:46] 16 degrees.

[00:29:47] No, it was 18 degrees that morning.

[00:29:50] Coach Rob Regish: [00:29:50] Was that the one you posted? The Facebook? Yeah.

[00:29:52] Carl Lanore: [00:29:52] Yeah, I was,

[00:29:55] Coach Rob Regish: [00:29:55] I was my wife saw it and she's like, my God, Carl looks like he's [00:30:00] freezing. Miserable. Yeah. Miserable.

[00:30:02] Carl Lanore: [00:30:02] All right, so you're on the other side for the second half

[00:30:04] Coach Rob Regish: [00:30:04] of the show, so that's cool. Right?

[00:30:05] Carl Lanore: [00:30:05] Uh, let's see here. Uh, the next question, we got some questions coming in from Mike. Uh, Marcus, my guard, uh, we'll ask that question shortly. So, uh, Andrew Davidson says, uh, I listened to your comments on cyber genics a few weeks back and it jogged my memory. I have a box of old supplements and found something called I C O pro muscle mist and a few others in that line.

[00:30:31] Is it still good? And how would you compare the two products? Muscle mist? Is this like a spray?

[00:30:40] Coach Rob Regish: [00:30:40] Yeah, yeah, it's a spray. Um. And ICAP pro for those that remember, it was the supplement line that Vince McMahon started to, um, tag along with the WBF world bodybuilding Federation in the mid to late nineties.

[00:30:57] In fact, if you look at my shirt,

[00:31:00] [00:30:59] Carl Lanore: [00:30:59] Oh, you have an ISO pro shirt on. That's hilarious.

[00:31:03] Coach Rob Regish: [00:31:03] I still haven't liked or actually ordered Nike pro shirt. Um. Yeah, and it's an interesting question and an interesting product line because it wasn't a bunch of yahoos thrown this together. He actually hired dr Deepa Squally and dr Fred Hatfield to work on these programs and much like Cyprus, cyber genics, it was more than just here, here's half a dozen supplement bottles.

[00:31:33] And whatever's in it. Um, in fact, icon pro is an acronym for integrated conditioning programs. And to their credit, they said when they were advertising this stuff that looked, it

[00:31:48] Carl Lanore: [00:31:48] just, it doesn't work. It's don't get disappointed. They were actually honest with their advertising.

[00:31:55] Coach Rob Regish: [00:31:55] It, it tasted God awful, but at least they [00:32:00] did give this message.

[00:32:01] They said. You just can't take these pills, you know, and, and work out and figure you're going to get buff. This takes training. It takes the diet and it takes rest in the supplement. So like a pro was heavily advertised on WWE broadcast in the early, mid nineties, which was then still the WWF world wrestling Federation.

[00:32:24] Um, but it was a bigger part of course, of the world bodybuilding Federation. Interestingly, at this time. McMahon was under investigation for steroid distribution by the federal government. Um, so right is probably not an ideal time to be launching a bodybuilding organization, but, um, because of the scrutiny he had legitimate drug testing programs.

[00:32:50] In fact,

[00:32:51] Carl Lanore: [00:32:51] was part of it.

[00:32:52] Coach Rob Regish: [00:32:52] Yeah. He was running the thing.

[00:32:55] Carl Lanore: [00:32:55] And so what a doctor squad. Right. Red hat.

[00:32:59] Coach Rob Regish: [00:32:59] Right. [00:33:00] So, um, this, but

[00:33:03] Carl Lanore: [00:33:03] the truth is they never got these guys as big and ripped as they were. Even with the anabolic diet, they, they really couldn't reproduce the effects of gear. True. And to this day, the bodybuilding, I mean, the, uh, the wrestling professional wrestling community struggles with the fact that if these guys aren't on gear.

[00:33:23] No one's tuning in to watch. Nobody wants to see two average guys grapple. I mean, you can see that in MMA where people actually hurting each other. This is theatrical. We want to see big monsters, you know, doing battle, and that's never going to happen without gear. I'm sorry to tell you. Yeah.

[00:33:40] Coach Rob Regish: [00:33:40] Um, they still have a wellness program, but I think it's geared more towards, you know, making sure guys aren't getting hooked on painkillers and re recreational drugs. Um, and, um, if you're not part of the full time, you know, crew like Brock Lesnar, [00:34:00] he is considered, um, a part time guy and therefore not, not subject to their drug testing.

[00:34:08] So you're right. I mean, the, the physique, um, especially in the 80s, they pretty much were wrestling. It looked like,

[00:34:15] Carl Lanore: [00:34:15] I mean, think about Bruno San Martino. When we were kids, when I was a kid. I'm a, you're a little younger than me. I think about Bruno San Matino. The truth is Buddha San Matino looked like you father.

[00:34:26] I mean, he looked like my, my father was built like that, you know, Harry chess, big round chess, you know, but, but I mean, those guys were the, the wrestlers of Yessenia today. I mean, I trained with Bobby Lashley. The guy was, he was putting up 400 pounds in the incline. I mean, the guy was a monster.

[00:34:44] He was super strong. And then they tested them. They were like, Oh, you know, you're on drug, do you have to stop? And all of a sudden he got small.

[00:34:50] Coach Rob Regish: [00:34:50] Yeah. Um, you know, it's, it's pro wrestling today is not as physique. Uh, and it's not as physique [00:35:00] dependent as it was in the 80s. There was a time when Vince McMahon had a standing edict.

[00:35:04] He wouldn't hire anyone shorter than six, two and two 50. But obviously today, the guys are a lot smaller, but they're, they're great athletes. Anyway, back to like a pro. Um, I never ran. Like a pro as I did cyber genics, although I did get my hands on on their signature kit and its contents, and I don't recall.

[00:35:28] Anything that really stood out in terms of the supplements that they have that the kit used? You know, I do remember things like, okay, G the ornithine allocated to goon rate, uh, their protein powder, various amino acids, and there were two weird ones, one of the, which being this muscle mist and the other one was an aroma therapy bag that you sniffed prior to training.

[00:35:54] And believe it or not, I think that actually had some merit.

[00:35:57] Carl Lanore: [00:35:57] It was actually, I know why, because it was, it [00:36:00] was actually made out of bold scrotum and it made you feel invincible and you sniff that. You were like, ah.

[00:36:09] Coach Rob Regish: [00:36:09] Well, I mean, whenever it was, whenever it was, it smelled good. So I dunno if it was both.

[00:36:16] Um, and, and as far as this muscle miss goes, I don't have my clue as to what's in it, but I, you know, it's tough to say. I, I would think being a liquid, it was probably something that they thought was absorbed under the tongue. Much easier. And for that time period

[00:36:37] Carl Lanore: [00:36:37] for the bit, it may have been like a sublingual, um, uh, what do I want to say?

[00:36:42] Not

[00:36:42] Coach Rob Regish: [00:36:42] a, not B vitamin or,

[00:36:44] Carl Lanore: [00:36:44] no, no, but I mean, the delivery system may have been lyposomal sub sublingual nanospheres it could have been a fat based spray and you absorbed it faster. So maybe they had, there was something to it.

[00:36:58] Coach Rob Regish: [00:36:58] So the supplement says pretty much [00:37:00] were, as I stated there, then even no big great breakthroughs.

[00:37:03] Um, like cyber genics, it w the training and the diet program if you got results, was really what drove those results. Um, I don't recall all of it, but I do remember it was very bodybuilding centric, meaning there were microcycles, a, B, and C, and the manipulation of rest periods and rep ranges and yada, yada, um,

[00:37:27] Carl Lanore: [00:37:27] probably a sensible, sensible training program that you would have seen results from if you stuck with it and you were consistent without the mist and all the other.

[00:37:38] Coach Rob Regish: [00:37:38] Yeah, it was, I remember looking at it and thinking, you know, for bodybuilding, this probably works. However, the reason I didn't try it was that at the time I was in power lifting and competing, so I was always just trying to get stronger. I didn't care about, you know, if I got bigger, that was great.

[00:38:00] [00:37:59] Um, but strength was always number one. Given what you have, I would certainly expect most of the supplements to be way past their use by date. Um, and, and the F in just mind you, this feedback was that the factory fresh stuff. Tasted God awful. So if I were you, I'd skipped something, especially in a liquid medium of that might be 25 years old.

[00:38:28] Uh, and focus more on the training and the diet info that came

[00:38:31] Carl Lanore: [00:38:31] with it. And the both growed them

[00:38:33] Coach Rob Regish: [00:38:33] folks on the band.

[00:38:35] Carl Lanore: [00:38:35] I saw, look, Marcus by garden. Let's go ahead and answer his question. Now. He sees watching live. He said there's an ongoing trend right now in the industry related to neurotransmitter testing.

[00:38:46] If you are dopamine dominant or adrenaline dominant, for example, and he then goes on to ask, do we have any experience in it? I haven't. I have an opinion, but I'll let the coach go first.

[00:39:00] [00:38:59] Coach Rob Regish: [00:38:59] This is very interesting to me because, um. When I was suffering from depression during my divorce, which I'll get into later.

[00:39:11] Uh, they were of course trying all these antidepressants. And so at one point I looked at the doctor and I said, well, how does this one work? And he says, well, they think it increases levels of, of dopamine and serotonin, and those are probably depleted in your brain, and that's why you're depressed and yada, yada.

[00:39:31] And so I looked at him. And I asked the question, okay, is there some sort of test which measures your serotonin and dopamine levels? And to my great surprise, he looked back at me and he said, no, this is all just conjecture. So the news that there is a test, there isn't,

[00:39:51] Carl Lanore: [00:39:51] there isn't. They're there.

[00:39:52] They're right there. There are clinics and doctors out there saying they're testing your neurotransmitters by drawing blood.

[00:39:58] Coach Rob Regish: [00:39:58] It's all bogus.

[00:40:00] [00:39:59] Carl Lanore: [00:39:59] Well, because. What goes on in below the neck isn't the same thing that's going on above the neck. So, so the presence of dopamine. And serotonin and blood is not indicative of the levels of serotonin and dopamine in the brain without, without doing a core sample of your brain, without going in there and, you know, and doing a little, uh, uh, punch and testing.

[00:40:25] They really don't know. And this frustrates the crap out of me because there's a lot of clinics now telling people, Oh, well, we're going to test neuro transfers. And they do this with children especially, which really to me is scary. And so they do blood tests to look at dopamine levels and serotonin levels, and then they, they say, Oh, your child is, is deficient.

[00:40:48] They don't know that in the brain. They don't, they can't tell that. And here's the PR look. So you know me, I always say, well, let's look at it critically. Let's, let's apply some critical thinking. So what do we know about, [00:41:00] um, five HTP and, uh, and, and, and, and trip the fan and things like that.

[00:41:06] We know that taking them orally, uh, may not affect. The brain levels. Okay. But more importantly, people will say that there's more serotonin made in the gut than there is in the brain, and that's true, but that serotonin never crosses the blood brain barrier. They know that. They know that the serotonin that you produce in your stomach, naturally all the time, doesn't get into the brain.

[00:41:34] So raising dopamine outside of the blood brain barrier is not going to have any effect. Now, Adele Mussa came on my show once and said, well. Maybe what happens is the body senses a higher level of dopamine on the outside of the blood brain barrier. So the brain goes, Oh, we need to make more too, to be in sync, and that's a possibility.

[00:41:56] But then that still wouldn't work if you tested somebody. That's [00:42:00] only after you raise their levels. That could happen. If you're testing somebody and you're seeing dopamine and serotonin levels of this, that's not indicative of what's going on in the brain. It's just, it's all bullshit.

[00:42:12] Coach Rob Regish: [00:42:12] That makes perfect sense to me.

[00:42:14] Right? I mean, if, if the, if, if the medical community doesn't have these tests, how has the supplement industry, you know, having a, I think they would be a wonderful thing. Uh, if they, if they were, there were such a test. Um, but having said that, uh, it comes back to trial and error. So people, people will use such things like fenal paracetam.

[00:42:41] A CLL carnitine, a draft funnel, et cetera, et cetera, to see if it changes the way they feel. If there's any or st John's work, things like that. If there's an improvement in mood then, and you're dealing with a supplement that modulates a [00:43:00] neurotransmitter like serotonin, then yeah, there probably is an imbalance there.

[00:43:05] It's just. It's an exact science right now. And I wish I had a better answer for her.

[00:43:12] Carl Lanore: [00:43:12] Yeah. And I'll tell you what it comes down to. If you want to correct neurotransmitter levels in your brain, fix your sleep problem, chances are you have a sleep problem. Cause that's when it all happens. That's when the magic happens at night when you sleep.

[00:43:26] Coach Rob Regish: [00:43:26] Right?

[00:43:27] Carl Lanore: [00:43:27] Yeah. I don't put a lot of stock in those neurotransmitter tests. Marcus. Uh, and, and the reality is we don't know anything about dopamine dominant serotonin dominance. Uh, there was a dr Braverman who got us on this whole kick and all these years later, it's not, it doesn't look like people are still sticking with his teachings because, uh, I don't think it really produced the result that people were hoping for.

[00:43:52] Coach Rob Regish: [00:43:52] Right. So,

[00:43:53] Carl Lanore: [00:43:53] you know, your brain produces these critical neuro-transmitters on demand in. [00:44:00] Nanoseconds of milliseconds, and it changes like in a S in 30 seconds. It could have changed 60 times and just raising serotonin or just raising dopamine continuously, that doesn't fix anything. That doesn't, and again, I, I focus on sleep.

[00:44:18] I say a lot of people who have these issues that send them to the doctor where the doctor goes, well, let me check your neurotransmitters. They're not sleeping well. Yup. Okay. So the next question comes from. Rodney tombs. He says, Hey, coach, kind of an off topic question, but I'm hoping you can help me with it.

[00:44:35] I'm a dad with an 18 year old son who needs some direction. He's an angry kid for reasons I don't really want to go into. He's been in lots of fights and unfortunately wins most of them, thus rejoicing in his will to fight. Reinforcing his will to fight. I'm sorry. How do I get him out of this cycle and doing something more positive?

[00:44:57] It's called tough love. Find the kid to kick his ass.

[00:45:00] [00:45:00] Coach Rob Regish: [00:45:00] Yeah. Um,

[00:45:02] Carl Lanore: [00:45:02] you know, that's the,

[00:45:04] Coach Rob Regish: [00:45:04] the truth. The truth is most teenage boys at some point are going to show signs of aggression, frustration, and risk taking behavior. I have a friend who's a emergency room doctor and he's famous for saying. If it wasn't for young men between the ages of 16 and 21, I'd be out of business.

[00:45:26] So, um, all of those traits kind of go with the territory, right? Extremely high testosterone levels. This is why the military recruits young men and not old men to fight Wars because testosterone makes you aggressive, uh, and willing to fight. If you take that supposition. Oh, and you then layer in some other variables that make the boy angrier or more prone to violence.

[00:45:54] You wind up with a fighter, at least someone that's more prone to fight. [00:46:00] Now, winning fights is good, but picking them and winning them is quite another matter. Because what you'll notice is most kids who pick fights, they don't want a fair fight. So they pick someone that they know they can beat, or at least it looks like they can be, which is a lot more dangerous in today's world, and that results right in this win, lopsided win loss record.

[00:46:27] So he's really getting a false sense of security. Right. He thinks he can fight and impose as well. On just about anyone. And that's most certainly not the case. Uh, here's what I would do. I would sit them down and first I would ask him as to why he's so angry. If, if it's a look, if it's a serious issue, get them counseling.

[00:46:52] You know, that can only, that can only help. Not saying it's going to fix things, but you know, that's, that's a positive [00:47:00] way of dealing with it. But. You can also, you know, take, like you said, Carl, the tough love approach seven down. Say, okay son, you like to fight. You're going to learn how to fight.

[00:47:12] I'm going to enroll you in jujitsu classes and trust me, his very first day, he's going to meet a whole bunch of guys that are bigger and smaller than him, usually by no small margin that humble him beyond words. Okay.

[00:47:29] Carl Lanore: [00:47:29] And, and interestingly enough, and interesting enough, uh, both, uh, Bobby Cooper and Jeff Clifton recommended that.

[00:47:36] And they both said it will not only teach him humility with far fewer marks and bruises, Jeff Clifton says, but Bobby Cooper points out, it'll give him brotherhood and help him see the value in himself and others. This is really valuable information right here. This could be the defining moment for your son, because don't forget, he's trying to define himself as a man.

[00:47:58] So the number one thing [00:48:00] a boy does when he's crossing over to be a man is he, he has to take on his father. He has to minimize his father because in order for him to feel like a man, he must take. Superman that he's worshiped for all these years and, and take him off the pedestal. So don't take it seriously if he's, if he's aiming his anger at you, this is all part of his masculine emancipation.

[00:48:24] We all did it. We all do it. But this is really good advice. Sign him up for a BJJ. He's not gonna want to go. He's gonna go, no dad. I don't want to do that. Cause he doesn't want to be put in a ring with somebody at his equal. He wants to keep picking on kids that are swollen anymore or that he knows he can beat.

[00:48:42] Sign him up for BJJ a decade from now, he'll look back at you and say, dad, man. The greatest gift you ever gave me was signing me up, because not only will he really find out that he can be tough, but with humility and, and, and, and sensitivity to others, but it'll [00:49:00] transfer into everything else in his life.

[00:49:02] Coach Rob Regish: [00:49:02] It'll be a watershed moment for sure. Yes, for sure. Yes. And am I also want you to consider this because it's very important. When he goes in there and he gets his ass kicked. You want him to learn that lesson in class and not out on the street because I'm the street. He may pick a fight with the wrong guy who either knows what he's doing.

[00:49:29] Carl Lanore: [00:49:29] Is carrying,

[00:49:31] Coach Rob Regish: [00:49:31] carrying a knife, or is carrying a gun or is all three. Right? So. Um, you know, rather than lose an eye or become maned or worse, even dead, you want him to learn those lessons on the mat in a controlled environment, right. So, you know, the truth of the matter is he, and he, hopefully he learns this the easy way and not the hard way.

[00:49:59] If you're picking [00:50:00] fights with somebody, it's, it's very difficult to determine their pedigree. So you don't know the, you might look at a guy and say, he's six feet tall, 150 pounds soaking wet. I'm going to kill him. He may be one of the best, you know, jujitsu practitioners that you've ever seen, and I've seen 150 pound guys beat 250 pound guys with regularity and break arms and choke people out, etc.

[00:50:29] Etc. Now. Um, if he doesn't want to learn how to really fight and go to jujitsu, there's one other Avenue that I think problem. Kids really need the military. You have him join the Marines and watch what happens. They will break him down big time, absolutely crush him and then build him back up.

[00:50:56] These kids. And I dunno what else the military [00:51:00] does, but I saw it in every airport that I traveled in when I was in insurance. These kids come home and they're completely different people. The common denominator between this and jujitsu, your kids going to be humble, whether he goes in the military, whether he goes to jujitsu or whether it happens out on the street at some point.

[00:51:24] In order to check this behavior, he's going to find out that he's not 10 feet tall and Bulletproof like he feels because of that surge of testosterone. So those would be my suggestions. I, uh, I myself have a 14 year old son right now. He's the furthest thing from this, but you don't know. You know what I mean?

[00:51:49] Things change, hormone levels change. And, uh, and. The kid needs to find out, hopefully sooner rather than later. He can't be with one arm [00:52:00] behind his back.

[00:52:00] Carl Lanore: [00:52:00] Wow. Bob Bobby Cooper makes a really good point here. He said yes and no on the Marines that I'm a vet. I know that. I'm pretty sure that Bobby served either the air force or the army from the picnic.

[00:52:11] I've seen, I can't, I'm sorry. I can't remember right now. Bobby. Um, he said they learned to be soldiers, not men. That's an interesting point.

[00:52:18] Coach Rob Regish: [00:52:18] And you

[00:52:19] Carl Lanore: [00:52:19] know, yeah. Um. There is some validity to that.

[00:52:25] Coach Rob Regish: [00:52:25] Yeah, absolutely. Like I said, I did not serve, um, uh, I'm, I'll let people that did serve speak to what goes on there.

[00:52:33] Um, but from, from just an observational standpoint. You know, when I traveled and met these guys in airports, it was all, you know, I would thank them for their service and they would look back at me and to a person, they would say, um, it's my privilege, sir. Yes sir. You know, sort of sort of this or that.

[00:52:52] Thank you. You know, please and thank you. You know, this kind of behavior in the polar opposite of what [00:53:00] they were when they got into basic training. So the military is doing something right with these kids. That's, that's the bottom line. Excuse me.

[00:53:11] Carl Lanore: [00:53:11] We have to take a break.

[00:53:12] Coach Rob Regish: [00:53:12] Sure.

[00:53:14] Carl Lanore: [00:53:14] Justin time

[00:53:16] Coach Rob Regish: [00:53:16] packing.

[00:53:18] All right.

[00:53:18] Carl Lanore: [00:53:18] Stay tuned. We'll be right

[00:53:23] Coach Rob Regish: [00:53:23] back

[00:53:23] Carl Lanore: [00:53:23] man. I can't get the picture to go

[00:53:25] Coach Rob Regish: [00:53:25] in

[00:53:26] Carl Lanore: [00:53:26] there. We'll answer Matt's question after this next one. Okay. Cause we have one from Facebook that we got.

[00:53:34] Coach Rob Regish: [00:53:34] Sure

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[00:53:41] Carl Lanore: [00:53:41] juke and says,

[00:53:42] Coach Rob Regish: [00:53:42] I

[00:53:43] Carl Lanore: [00:53:43] took some of your advice in ordered the West side system of conjugated training. This info has really turned my training around and I've gotten stronger in the past 90 days than I've been in the past few years, but I'm having trouble keeping up with the volume.

[00:54:00] [00:54:00] How do I recover from so much intensity work every week? It's called gear and sleep and

[00:54:09] Coach Rob Regish: [00:54:09] calories. Yeah. Uh, you know, for referencing the stock West side, power lifting template, at least used to be like this, I haven't seen it recently is four days a week. So you've got two heavy days. And two days, um, for speed and accessory work at least.

[00:54:30] Right. That's what it was when I studied it, um, several years ago. So this max effort and dynamic work are usually handled. Uh, without a problem by most trainees, it is the repetition work, the supplemental and accessory exercises and the quote unquote extra feeder workouts and GPP workouts where a lot of people run into trouble.

[00:54:59] They [00:55:00] just can't do it. And to avoid that. Um, I did a couple of things. First, I usually pick just one or maybe two supplemental movements, and I kept it to one or two hard work sets for each. You know, I was not doing five to 10 to 15. God knows how many sets like some guys do. Um, and so I was able to focus my efforts and recover from them because I didn't dig.

[00:55:30] As big of a hole. Um, if I did add any more work to the template, which wasn't normal, you know, usual, uh, I usually put it after speed work on dynamic effort days. I performed GPP, general physical preparedness work on off days. But here's the key. I never let those workouts turn into anything strenuous.

[00:55:56] And unfortunately that's what a lot of guys do. They start pushing [00:56:00] and pulling the sled. Uh, you know, in the beginning anyway for blood flow and cardiac and all that other stuff, all of a sudden it turns into a workout cause they want to push and pull world record. Poundages. Um, that is a big mistake.

[00:56:18] And as one of the biggest trainees make, you know, when training West side, they turn these workouts into extremely not just physically taxing sessions mentally. Right. So both in doing that is a real fast way to tank your progress happens every time. In fact, if somebody writes me and says, West side has stopped working, I can pretty much guarantee you they're going overboard, right on their off days and turning those into no max effort sessions of their own.

[00:56:52] Um, also keeping those sessions to just, let's say 15 to 30 minutes is a good idea. Uh, [00:57:00] and, and being able to hold a conversation while you're dragging a sled, uh, is also a good idea. Same. You know, same principle is, is cardio. Um, if you are still having trouble recovering, then I would consider.

[00:57:17] Uh, cutting the, called for workload in half. And so instead of four sessions a week, you have to, you have a heavy day and you have a light day or maybe three, maybe three. Um, that is usually enough to get people gaining again and you can graduate. And this is the key point. If you start that way, you can gradually add work over time.

[00:57:44] Instead of jumping into the four day a week template and all the extra workouts and GPP workouts and getting buried out of the gate.

[00:57:52] Carl Lanore: [00:57:52] I was going to say, usually guys who train at West side [00:58:00] training is their priorities. They take jobs that allow them to focus on their training, you know, so they're, they're, they're like the Bulgarian, you know, they may go, but go to the gym two or three times in a day.

[00:58:12] And, uh, and, and they're eating a lot and you know, I mean their, their focuses, their training. If you're just an average guy who's working and part of a family and has other things in your life, it's going to be hard for you to keep up with the West side, West side program.

[00:58:26] Coach Rob Regish: [00:58:26] Very, very difficult.

[00:58:28] Um, you know, I, I, Louie says he has both trainees there that use drugs and dope. I believe that, um, however, the number of trainees not using drugs that can tolerate that amount of workload and max effort work and all of the, you know, adrenal exhaustion that goes along with it, uh, are few and far [00:59:00] between.

[00:59:00] In fact, if you watch that movie, did you watch a West side versus the world trial?

[00:59:05] Carl Lanore: [00:59:05] No, I haven't, but Bobby was just commenting about it a second ago. I haven't seen it.

[00:59:09] Coach Rob Regish: [00:59:09] So one of the things that basically is, you know, if you're at West side and you're part of the crew and you're doing the four day a week thing and you get hurt, it sounds like anyway, let me, he doesn't care if you got hurt, you're still coming in to max out.

[00:59:24] And so if an average everyday person does that, they're just going to get hurt worse. I mean, think about it. You know, if you, if you a tear a Peck. And they want you in there on max effort day, right? For flatbed or God forbid, wide wide grip bench. You're just going to tear at worse, you know, or a back injury, etc.

[00:59:48] Etc. I'm not saying it can't be done. Um, I am saying you should err on the side of doing too little instead of too much because [01:00:00] it's a lot to, you know, it's a lot to bite off and chew. Just put it that

[01:00:04] Carl Lanore: [01:00:04] way, especially as you age, you know, if you got to take your age into account. Also, I don't know, did Ken say how old he is?

[01:00:11] But you know, I mean it's, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. And, and again, if it's not your priority, everything else falls second. All your other demands in your life fall second. You're not, you can't do what these guys are doing. Plus they're on gear. Get it all on here. Hell, I'm on 500 milligrams a week now, and I'm not even training for anything.

[01:00:33] Coach Rob Regish: [01:00:33] Right?

[01:00:33] Carl Lanore: [01:00:33] They're all on a gear, a gram and more a week. Those guys up there, they're serious about breaking records. That's all they care about. They don't care about anything else.

[01:00:42] Coach Rob Regish: [01:00:42] Yeah. And when you say, you know, it's your priority even ahead of your family, you know, he means it because there was a, there was a segment in West side versus the world where a guy explained, you know, I was training at West side.

[01:01:01] [01:01:00] My son was going through school and he was a champion swimmer. He says, I didn't go to a single meet. Think about this. You didn't go to a single meet, including the state championship that he won because Wednesday was bench day. Yeah, yeah. You know,

[01:01:22] Carl Lanore: [01:01:22] you have to be so narrowly focused on just that.

[01:01:25] So this question comes into us through Facebook messenger. From longtime listener to Matt Beatty. Yeah, and his question is, I'm going through a divorce and the stress is unbearable at times. No motivation to train or eat. I've dropped about seven pounds. I'm probably swimming in cortisol every day.

[01:01:44] How should I train during this time? Thanks, Matt.

[01:01:48] Coach Rob Regish: [01:01:48] Well, in stark contrast to the question, to the dieting question that I said I was not qualified to answer. I'm very confident that both you and I, [01:02:00] Carl, are probably two of the most qualified guys to, to address this and that, you know, I shouldn't laugh because when you're going through it, when you're going through a divorce, it seems like the end of the world, it seems like the end of you, uh, the end of you.

[01:02:22] You know, emotionally, financially, spiritually, it crushes everything. In addition to that, if you have children, it's even worse because in, at my lowest point, I thought to myself, you've ruined not only your life, but your sons, and it's very difficult to see the fact that that is not true. In fact and it's you can't while you're going through, and it's almost impossible to see.

[01:02:58] People will tell you [01:03:00] it. You told it to me, Carl, you told me that at the end of this process, you're going to meet somebody that you've probably should have been with all along and they're going to make your life better than you can possibly imagine. And you do recover financially and you do recover emotionally.

[01:03:25] Um, but it's a process that takes time. I would tell you that I made several mistakes, uh, in my, in my time during the divorce. One of those. Was attempting to reconcile with a woman that, that filed, you know, papers against me. She filed the worst against me. And, uh, you know, it's, it's not gonna work.

[01:03:57] Listen, if you stood before your [01:04:00] families and God and said, I'm going to get married for better or for worse, and the other party decides to renege on that agreement, then they're not worth going back to. Hate to tell you, but they're not worth going back to. Um, another thing that I did that was really bad, and I think this is universal advice, don't isolate yourself, but it's very easy to, you know, stand side, stay to yourself.

[01:04:30] It's not a pleasant topic to discuss, right? It's

[01:04:32] Carl Lanore: [01:04:32] not water. A good buddy that you can talk to. And get this stuff off your chest because keeping it in just this erodes you.

[01:04:40] Coach Rob Regish: [01:04:40] Yes.

[01:04:41] Carl Lanore: [01:04:41] And also know that this is not the end, right? Like this is a chapter. You're going to get through this horrible chapter and you're going to go on every, every.

[01:04:53] I told this to my son and it's true of most of us. I think most of us can agree with this state. [01:05:00] Every woman I left, I found someone better. Yes, my vote. By virtue of the process you want, you learn that heinous behavior from this person, it becomes part of your radar and you, you avoid it if you're smart.

[01:05:17] But the reality is none of us are sitting and going, man, this is my last relationship and it sucks the worst. All my relationships with know the person you're with now is better than the person you were with.

[01:05:29] Coach Rob Regish: [01:05:29] And you know what? Everybody's different. But I would tell you this too. If, if you know what's over, uh, and there's no point in spending time and undersea reconciling.

[01:05:42] This may be controversial, but I would tell you start dating man right away.

[01:05:47] Carl Lanore: [01:05:47] Yeah. I tell this same stuff to my son. I say the fastest way to get over somebody is get under somebody new. Find yourself a new girlfriend. The first time you sleep with somebody new because you're just coming out of a longterm [01:06:00] relationship.

[01:06:00] It's a little weird, but it feels good and you're like, Oh man. Wow. This is like a real, a real lines. The reality with cause when you, what you're thinking isn't reality at this point in your time, you're like smothering yourself with harmful thoughts. That's what's playing in your head. Go out there and find somebody to date that makes you feel special and good about yourself.

[01:06:23] And that you enjoy and you'll see how fast you go. Oh, there's a light at the end of this tunnel. My whole life is going to be so much better after the Zohar. Everybody feels that way. Everybody finds out that's the truth. So, and it's something that Bobby said that's really perfect. Perfect is so if you know.

[01:06:42] That a couple years from now, your life is going to be golden. Why beat the crap out of yourself now? Go out there and redefine yourself. Take get more serious about your bodybuilding. Get more serious about your diet. Get more serious about everything. Don't let these people Rob a couple of years from you [01:07:00] because it's going to be great after a couple of years is over, so be up for meeting greatness.

[01:07:06] Boom, together, get your game on. Now. Now's the time to take your anger and push it down inside and say, F all of them wait til they see what I look like in two years. Wait til they see how great I'm doing in two years. Find that and hold onto it.

[01:07:24] Coach Rob Regish: [01:07:24] Right? Wait, wait till they see who's on my arm in two years.

[01:07:27] Carl Lanore: [01:07:27] Yeah. Wait until they see how great I look away until they see that I don't need anybody on my arm. Wait till they see the new car and the new business adventures. I'm it. Start dreaming now. Don't beat yourself up because two years from now you're going to go, wow, that wasn't so bad and I'm so much better off now.

[01:07:43] So take these two years like you're going to school and doubled down on on on you, on mat. Put effort into Matt now. I started

[01:07:52] Coach Rob Regish: [01:07:52] dating as soon as we, uh, as soon as I realized that she had no intention of trying, even trying to reconcile. [01:08:00] And so, um, I w it was great because it gave me something and someone to focus on.

[01:08:10] Um, it gave me lots of stuff to do. And you know, you learn, you're older and wiser. And you learn what, what kind of woman I think is good for you, right? And you don't necessarily know these things in your 20s or even thirties. Um, sometimes it takes a lot longer and a lot more life experience to find someone.

[01:08:34] And the final point I'll make is this, when you find her or she finds you, uh, you and she. We'll appreciate each other much more after having had to go through what you went through. Yeah, 100% truth right there. I went through a [01:09:00] lot of bad things and and pain before I found my wife, or I think she found me and she did too, so.

[01:09:13] When you do finally find someone that is good for you and is good to you, then you will appreciate them that much more after having to go through so much crap earlier. And it's unfortunate that that's how it works. But you know, there are people, unfortunately, who go through divorces who commit suicide, right?

[01:09:39] They, they can't see that. Maybe that was the first half of their life and they had some good things that came from it and some bad things, but the second half of their life, man, you know, you're not even close to the end of the movie. You got to hang in there [01:10:00] and wait to see the whole movie right before you come back and say, ah man, this sucks.

[01:10:05] No, you know, I can. I can honestly tell you that right now I am happier than I have ever been and I have a higher quality of life than I ever have in. Most of that is due to the wonderful woman I met my wife Jenna.

[01:10:23] Carl Lanore: [01:10:23] So don't you gotta you gotta find a way to not feel so bad about this. I know the court systems probably beaten the crap out of you cause they always do.

[01:10:32] The men, I know that you're seeing sides of your ex that you can't believe like how vicious and and malicious she might be. I know that you feel like you're being attacked all the time and you're worried about going to court and that's all freaking you out. But just focus on two years from now because all that's going to be behind you.

[01:10:52] Yeah. Hopefully you won't get tagged with too much alimony.

[01:10:55] Coach Rob Regish: [01:10:55] We'll listen to you. Do you need to stay, hang in there and wait for the [01:11:00] end of the movie because you know there are happy endings and lots of them and you're probably going to be one too. That's just the reality.

[01:11:07] Carl Lanore: [01:11:07] And find a friend to go do awesome crap with like Bobby Cooper says, go do awesome stuff.

[01:11:12] Get out of your head and go do stuff and stuff that makes you happy and makes you forget. What you're going through right now. There's nothing wrong with that. You don't have to feel bad about that. Stay tuned. We'll be right back with the blueprint. Tip of the day. Welcome back to the blueprint power hour brought to you by coach Rob ruggish.com go there.

[01:11:34] Coach Rob Regish: [01:11:34] Be stronger tomorrow.

[01:11:36] Carl Lanore: [01:11:36] What's the blueprint? Tip of the day, coach.

[01:11:39] Coach Rob Regish: [01:11:39] The tip of the day is what we all low to Dan Dushane. So I had somebody email me the other day and give me why I spoke in such glowing terms about, you know, the original steroid guru, Dan Dushay. And [01:12:00] he basically went on to say that Dan was more, more often wrong than he was, right?

[01:12:08] He was reckless with this experimentation and didn't deserve much credit for anything. I think I know where he got that. Um, there's a book called steroid nation that paints a very bad picture of him, which according to the people that know him was horribly one-sided and not really, you know, not the reality.

[01:12:32] And I absolutely believe that, you know, there may be bits and pieces of, uh, of what this guy who emailed me said that are true. But there's so much wrong with it. I just had to do this piece because it's important to know, right? The forefathers of physical culture and Dan was, was certainly one of them.

[01:12:57] Dan began his journey, uh, [01:13:00] into lifting, whatever you want to call it, as a bodybuilder. Uh, from Maine, but even with the drugs, um, that he started taking the bodybuilding drugs, he wasn't a very good one. It mattered little though, because his creative mind was really the thing that made him a legend.

[01:13:22] Okay. And he knew to take his knowledge to the next level. He had to go to Venice beach, California, where a lot of the pro bodybuilders were. The Olympic. Importantly, when you moved out there, I think it was 1980 82 or 83, uh, the Olympics were coming to Los Angeles. So he knew, I think instinctively that at this time.

[01:13:56] And in this moment, that was his future. [01:14:00] And so there he was one day sitting on the boardwalk at Venice beach, and he was watching the Ferris wheel turn slowly, and he was trying to think up names for a book he was writing. And eventually he settled on the underground steroid handbook. And the rest, as they say, is history.

[01:14:23] So for $6. Payable, the OEM publications, the anonymously written pamphlet, which was, it's really to call it a book as a, as a stretch. Um, but, uh, it revealed the doping secrets for $6 of the world's top bodybuilders to people, customers all over the world. Dr Robert VOI, who was the chief medical officer of the United States Olympic committee called it.

[01:14:54] And his steroids handbook, a fabulous pharmalogical texts. To this [01:15:00] day, it is still cited as a reference material, uh, in studies in, in, in sports doping. Even voy agreed that Dushane was likely correct when he was discussing him saying, he knows more than I do. Okay. Within a few months of its publication, orders for the underground steroid handbook were shipped along with a price list, uh, for anabolic steroids and do Shane's new mail order business.

[01:15:32] Um, believe it or not, it operated under the name. You ready? Jay Z, F C or the John Ziegler fan club? Ziegler, of course, was the first. Right? Well, he developed right diameter ball. Um, and, and, you know, hit brisk business, continued mostly on encumbered until about 1985 [01:16:00] when ups, uh, the United parcel service, someone there opened a package addressed to a member of said fam club and found that it contained anabolic steroids.

[01:16:15] At that point, they forwarded the information to the food and drug administration. Okay. And they kind of punted and gave it to the FBI. And so the FBI became involved and began running point, um, uh, on the case, so to speak. They had prosecuted similar cases before. Um, so they were well versed in everything needed to take damn.

[01:16:40] Do Shane down. However. FBI attempts to conduct vehicular, you know, surveillance of him were an unmitigated disaster in one of them. Yeah. Well, in one event, Dan, Dan pull the quick U-turn, Richard resulted in him [01:17:00] now trailing wa now him trailing one of the surveillance vehicles. In another instance, uh, he was dining alone somewhere in, in Venice.

[01:17:10] And. He yelled three booths over to the two, uh, FBI agents that followed him in there. He said, Hey guys, as long as you're going to be following me, why don't you come on over here? We'll have breakfast. So,

[01:17:25] Carl Lanore: [01:17:25] um,

[01:17:27] Coach Rob Regish: [01:17:27] Oh yeah. Apparently and, and, and Dan loved to toy with them. Um. Let's see. Other interesting anecdotes.

[01:17:37] Dan waited for the garbage truck every week instead of putting his garbage out like everyone so they couldn't go through

[01:17:43] Carl Lanore: [01:17:43] his garbage. Right,

[01:17:44] Coach Rob Regish: [01:17:44] right, right. Cause that's all illegal search. One FBI agent. In fact, he expressed frustration over the fact that Dan used the same kind of shredder that the FBI used.

[01:17:58] Uh, ultimately [01:18:00] in may of 1986, you, Shane was indicted on, uh, with 33 other defendants for trafficking anabolic steroids. Um, but that event too, though. Gave us another example of dams, brilliance. And this is my favorite story. So the government's prosecuting him, right? For steroid distribution, and then the course of doing, so, they called their own steroid expert, uh, to the stand to testify.

[01:18:28] And during cross examination do, Shane's lawyer asked this so called expert. He says, where'd you get all your information? And to the dismay of the prosecution and probably everyone else in the courtroom, he pointed at Dan and he said, I read his books. Can you

[01:18:48] Carl Lanore: [01:18:48] imagine educated them so they could go after him?

[01:18:51] Coach Rob Regish: [01:18:51] Yeah, I mean, you know, here's the government's one of the government's star witnesses, and they're saying they learned everything from Dan, [01:19:00] uh, or at least his books. But, um, after doing time for trafficking and later, uh, GHB related charges, damn wisely probably turned his attention to legal supplementation.

[01:19:15] Um, and few people knew. For example, Dan was the genius who discovered whey protein. And up until that point, it was treated as a waste product of cheese production. Right. To the utter dismay and disappointment of the government agents that were trailing him, uh, the white bag or the bags rather of white powder that they saw him carrying out of his apartment.

[01:19:38] We're not narcotics, but, but whey protein. Um, Dan was the first to combine the Phaedra and caffeine. They're herbal forms a four-stage carbohydrate called Quadra carb, which was. Decades ahead of high molecular weight modified starches on the market today, [01:20:00] and branch chain amino acids to make ultimate orange, which was a, he was the original pre-workout powder.

[01:20:09] I mean, honestly, I mean, that was, he was first with that too. Now, interestingly, he and a guy named David Jenkins, who was the CEO of next nutrition, um. They made design. Remember designer proteins like the first or second way, right? They almost rolled out Creotine years before anyone else did, and so they were looking at it, but instead they decided to markets as soon as acid, which is a Krebs cycle intermediate, because they, they, they thought it had more potential.

[01:20:47] So, right. Talk about a major calf. He really missed the boat there, but regardless, anyone today who benefits from whey protein or pre-workout, which is pretty much everyone that buys [01:21:00] them. Oh, it was a debt of gratitude to Dan Dushane

[01:21:04] Carl Lanore: [01:21:04] and as Bobby points out, ECA, which was ephedrine, caffeine, and aspirin, right?

[01:21:10] Which was, uh, w was designed to help you burn more fat while you train and everything else. And then later on he points out it became yohimbe bean. Uh, ephedra caffeine and I hated the, you haven't been, it made me feel clammy and it just didn't make me feel good. I couldn't, I couldn't use it again.

[01:21:27] I haven't

[01:21:27] Coach Rob Regish: [01:21:27] been, yeah. My, my bullet and subscribers are going to get the four on one, on the perfect pairing to ephedrine, caffeine, but, but be that as it may, you know, that was just one of the dance first. Um, anti-estrogen you know, to deal with too much, test aromatase. That was damn.

[01:21:45] Clenbuterol as a nonsteroidal anabolic agent that was damned to, um, HCG and Clomid post cycle. That was him. And so a decade after being indicted, he was still [01:22:00] writing on topic with his status in the underground and beyond. And in 1996, he was writing about the cycling ketogenic diet, which was.

[01:22:12] According to at least one source, 2016 most Google diet. Right. And, and the drugs that he introduced to the bodybuilding world are still making headlines in 2019 which is 19 years after he passed away from congenital polycystic kidney disease. He was still contributing. And by the way, that polycystic kidney disease.

[01:22:40] Have nothing to do with the drugs that he took

[01:22:43] Carl Lanore: [01:22:43] her. That's a, that's a genetic mutation. It only strikes men and usually all or most of the men in a given family will

[01:22:53] Coach Rob Regish: [01:22:53] develop it, right? Yeah, he, it, his mother had it and been in, his sister apparently [01:23:00] had it, so we only found that out, you know, and I want to say in his mid to late thirties.

[01:23:09] Um, when he started to, you know, trace his roots, he was actually put up for adoption. Um, and he lived alone in Maine for many years. Now, we may never know what other breakthroughs that he could have brought to us, right. Where his life not cut short, which unfortunately it was one thing is

[01:23:31] Carl Lanore: [01:23:31] Janice Joplin, uh, Jim Morrison and Jimmy Hendrix.

[01:23:37] Four lives that ended too soon. Not only kidding. I had to say that. Go ahead. Yeah. You don't even care about that stuff. Right. About you. Remember when the three, they said the three deaths back in the day when rock and roll was popular? I guess you don't remember that? No,

[01:23:52] Coach Rob Regish: [01:23:52] I don't remember.

[01:23:53] Carl Lanore: [01:23:53] Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrickson. Jim Morrison all died at the same age, I believe.

[01:23:58] Coach Rob Regish: [01:23:58] Yeah. If [01:24:00] you're going to do a Mount Rushmore of bodybuilding to Shane would probably be on it. Right? I mean, everyone listening. Oh, is the GRA debit gratitude to him for his contributions, physical culture? Was he perfect?

[01:24:13] No. Did he make mistakes? Yes. But as he pointed out, once, you know, if you're not making mistakes, you're not on the cutting edge. And, and

[01:24:25] Carl Lanore: [01:24:25] that makes me feel so much better about my life.

[01:24:28] Coach Rob Regish: [01:24:28] Yeah. Right. Right. And so the final thing I'll say about the is this, um. He wrote extensively, not just about steroids, but training and diet.

[01:24:43] And one of the greatest crimes is that people did not want to read what he wrote about training in DUI and diet because he was the steroid Euro and they just wanted to hear about drugs. Now, [01:25:00] his final book, body OPAs talked much more about diet. Um. But that was far from, from his only commentary on that subject.

[01:25:11] And so I would tell you if you have, you know, access to his prior work, study them voraciously because he put as much thought into his training and diet recommendations as he did his drug cycles. Is it really amazing and incredible life? Um. And he lived it. He lived it with a sense of urgency.

[01:25:40] Even when he didn't know he had polycystic kidney disease, he seemed to have sensed that it wasn't going to live until a ripe old age. And, uh, and that's that. Yeah. So.

[01:25:57] Carl Lanore: [01:25:57] Uh, I want to thank everybody for [01:26:00] who's watching live on Facebook, especially Bobby Cooper for jumping in and charming in. And who else did we have here?

[01:26:06] Marcus may guard for posting a question for today's show. And then of course, a, I'm missing somebody. Jeff. Um, Oh, who was it? I can't scroll down right now, but we had someone else that chimed in when Bobby was commenting about. the military may not be the best thing for fellas, son, but I'm like, wow, I've got to find his name.

[01:26:32] I feel bad. I don't want to, I don't want to miss it. Uh, it was, this thing is just not scrolling fast

[01:26:37] Coach Rob Regish: [01:26:37] enough. But

[01:26:39] Carl Lanore: [01:26:39] anyway, it's been a great show. I love the interactivity of Facebook live. I appreciate everyone who's, uh, who posted

[01:26:45] Coach Rob Regish: [01:26:45] questions and so on.

[01:26:48] Carl Lanore: [01:26:48] And, uh, that's about it. What else? Do you have anything else you want to say before we wrap it up?

[01:26:52] Coach Rob Regish: [01:26:52] Visit coach robber, I guess.com. We have all new information. It's updated daily or weekly, if [01:27:00] not daily, and we got new pricing down to $5 a month. And for the information that you get, it's absolute. It's the best bargain I've ever seen.

[01:27:12] Carl Lanore: [01:27:12] Jeff Clifton. That's who I could remember. And also there was something else that when I said it, I thought, Oh, I gotta go back and correct myself when I say I trained with Bobby Lashley, I didn't train with him.

[01:27:21] We trained at the same gym and I watched him train and I talk to him often, but I wasn't strong enough to train with him. So by the, I didn't want people to think I was implying like, well, you're already trained with Bobby Lashley so there's somehow I'm, no, I couldn't train with Bobby Lashley, but I trained them the same.

[01:27:36] Building is Bobby Lashley and I did get to watch him and he was an amazing athlete. The guy is super quick on top of everything else. I look, that's it. Tomorrow we have a great show. It's starting at one o'clock we're going to break the news on a peptide you've never heard about that not only speeds fat loss in the face of the standard American diet.

[01:27:56] But is anabolic as well. It [01:28:00] stimulates mTOR, and this is a peptide you haven't heard of because it's not available anywhere. It's not even available at any of the peptide suppliers. It's not even available yet at TaylorMade, although they've figured out the sequencing and it will be available very shortly.

[01:28:16] It will be very exciting stuff. Only here on superior radio. You know what? You can listen to all those other podcasts. Talk about stuff I've already talked about 10 years ago. Or you could just come here and listen to this show and put up with my, uh. My bad humor.

[01:28:31] Coach Rob Regish: [01:28:31] How about that?

[01:28:32] Carl Lanore: [01:28:32] There you go.

[01:28:33] Thanks to everybody who's listened and watched today. Thank you, Rob, for all the heavy lifting.

[01:28:37] Coach Rob Regish: [01:28:37] Sure. Thank you. And we'll see you by tomorrow. [01:29:00]