[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] Welcome back to another episode of super human radio. We have a really good discussion. Today we're going to be talking about some things that actually benefit, uh, people who have a traumatic brain injury in their home. This is a really exciting discussion cause TBI is a problem today, not just amongst athletes, but average people.

[00:00:19] Um, of course today is December 2nd, 2019. For those of you listening to the show a hundred years from now, and you realize, wow, these people were really way ahead of the curve. Uh, the, the discussion thing, I'm going to bring my guest on real fast here home. That's Scott Cheveria. How you doing, Scott?

[00:00:39] Scott Chaverri: [00:00:39] I'm great. Carl, how are you

[00:00:40] Carl Lanore: [00:00:40] doing? Good. Good. Thanks for being here today. So, so Scott, we told Scott's story a long time ago. He was an average guy who wanted the benefits of red light therapy and uh, he couldn't believe what people were asking for these units. And he said that, that thing in his head that we all say, when we look at these red light units, when we go, [00:01:00] come on, they can't be that expensive to build.

[00:01:03] Scott saw that and he realized that he didn't want to pay ridiculous amounts of money for a therapy that actually provides some real benefits. That mounting sciences is pretty impressive. And so he came up with Mito red light.com where you can buy a red light therapy device and not be embarrassed later to tell people what you paid for it.

[00:01:27] Um, no, really, you know, it's like, you know, what'd you pay for that thing? What. What really, I mean, it's just LEDs, right? And, and it's not just LEDs. I get that. And they're very, the technology is, is very specific. It's very, very high power. Scott's units are so high power, probably the highest power of anything out there, right?

[00:01:47] It's got,

[00:01:49] Scott Chaverri: [00:01:49] yeah. There was a, so we've had our lights independently tested by a company in Colorado. We published those results in the website, and there was a fitness, uh. Blogger who's [00:02:00] recently did a red light therapy series. He took the six most popular full body panels on the market, and he did all sorts of tests on them.

[00:02:08] One of them was power output at six inches, and we did win. I will say that most of these devices are in, you know, they're in the ballpark. Uh, but you know, we did come out on top, but his name is Alex Fergus. You can find that on YouTube. I've heard of that.

[00:02:21] Carl Lanore: [00:02:21] I've actually heard of him. Um, so anyway, uh, red light therapy is becoming popular and it, and it, it makes perfect sense from an evolutionary perspective why it's becoming popular because we evolved under the sun and today we're under artificial light constantly.

[00:02:40] And, uh, sunlight played a huge role in the development of the human organism and, uh, so much so that a lot of diseases have been linked back to not enough sunlight. I mean, you know, we can, we can look at this, this is a fact. And then, so people try to [00:03:00] supplement with vitamin D, but it's not all about vitamin D.

[00:03:02] the skin produces other magical, uh, molecules, uh, when stimulated by. Photons. The wavelength of those photons is specific. Uh, like the notes on music paper at an orchestra. And we are devoid of certain lights today and this particular bandwidth, the, uh, you know, like a 600, up to, let's say a 770, I think is red right now.

[00:03:34] Scott Chaverri: [00:03:34] Roughly. So six to six to 700. What would our lights put out as between six to 700 and then near infrared? Uh, eight to

[00:03:41] Carl Lanore: [00:03:41] 900. Yeah. And that's the other magical frequency they discovered. You know, the, the, the 800 to 900, what is considered the near infrared, uh, spectrum and, and the research that's coming out today is just amazing, isn't it?

[00:03:55] It

[00:03:55] Scott Chaverri: [00:03:55] is. It's awesome. It's a lot of fun, but it's impossible to keep up with.

[00:03:59] Carl Lanore: [00:03:59] But, [00:04:00] but, but people look at it and go, how could it be? But it's because we were evolutionarily encoded to, to react to photons.

[00:04:10] Scott Chaverri: [00:04:10] And the way that I've really kind of internalized it is, um. You know, a lot of folks will understand that we're a mountain malnourished.

[00:04:17] When we think about a diet, we're not getting the right nutrients or the right, uh, balance of nutrients, uh, in our diet. You know, the ability of the soil depletion or processed foods, whatever the case may be. So I, uh, we're also Matt mal illuminated. Um, and so we're getting these fluorescent lights, a lot of blues and greens.

[00:04:37] Uh, and, but we're not getting the reds. We're not getting the full spectrum. We would get it from the sun. So there's just one way for easy way for folks to just quickly understand it. Um, cause again, plenty of blues and greens coming off the screen or coming off to fluorescent lights up above you at work all day, but you're not getting these, uh, the reds and certainly it didn't near threads.

[00:05:00] [00:04:59] Carl Lanore: [00:04:59] So this particular study that I wanted to talk about today, which was pretty exciting, um, was a multicentered study, uh, at several different facilities, including Harvard. Uh. And, uh, Boston health, uh, healthcare over in Boston, Massachusetts, and most of these were all in Massachusetts. They looked at transcranial red and near infrared light therapy on the role of cognition in people who have suffered from traumatic brain injury.

[00:05:32] TBI. I'm reading the, the, the title here and what they found out was nothing short of. Promising and some would say amazing. Uh, they did an 18 week trial. And, uh, they, uh, that was the first point that they tested people and they showed marked improvements, not in just cognition, but the guys, uh, that also had post traumatic stress disorder.

[00:06:00] [00:06:00] Uh, because as part of their TBI, maybe they were, you know, in theater and they took a blunt force trauma to the head. And, and they also suffer from post traumatic stress disorder because of what they saw. They even saw the PTSD, uh, events. The occurrences of, of, uh, of, of these, uh, uh, events go down dramatically in them.

[00:06:23] They also sleep data showed that they was sleeping better at night. No, people with TBI a plague, they don't sleep well. They were sleeping better and the sleep and the sleep improvement was dramatic. And now they want to do more studies on this because they feel it's promising. And what it was that they use transcranial, but exactly the, the, the, the wavelength, uh, that, that is in the, uh, Mito red light.com product.

[00:06:52] They use that red and near infrared. See people look at your picture. They think that those are just [00:07:00] missing LEDs in the dark spots. They go, wow, this guy is really cheap. Look how far he's faced those things. Oh my God, he's a Chisler. No, those are the near infrared led separating the red LEDs and so that, and let's identify transcranial.

[00:07:15] So in this study, they stuck little diodes up their nostrils just to effect the frontal portion of the brain. But we know those of us who paid attention to light therapy, which I started years ago when my father had neuropathy and I built him that 880 nanometers led a socks and gloves unit. We know that anything above in the 700 and above range gets through bone.

[00:07:42] You know, caveman and our evolutionary ancestors didn't stick things up their nose. They just spent a lot of time in the sun. And guess what gets hit by the sun first and foremost. So, yeah. Your noggin, your noggin. Yeah.

[00:08:00] [00:08:00] Scott Chaverri: [00:08:00] Well that's, uh, yeah, that's like, that's a crazy study. And what's interesting is actually, so they did 18 treatments and it was only three times a week for six weeks.

[00:08:10] Um, which is not a lot, frankly, you know, uh, and to see that kind of benefit. Uh, was after only eight to 18 treatments over six weeks is pretty, pretty incredible

[00:08:22] Carl Lanore: [00:08:22] profound. It's profound. And think about this, so people who suffer from TBI, there's another study on depression. I think Adele Mussa wrote about that one not too long ago.

[00:08:33] Um, there, there's a, there's, there's one where they had elderly people wearing a red. And a near infrared light helmets, like little little helmets lined with lights and improve their sense of the quality of their life. Uh, I think there were nursing homes, if I remember. And so that speaks to depression.

[00:08:55] You know what I mean? That you know that, that like if you're an old person at the end of your life and you say, Hey, [00:09:00] you know, I don't know why, but I feel better every day. That's actually profound. So the research is really starting to accumulate. On the red light there. Now, now you said for those of us who are looking at the new year and going, Oh, I'm going to double down on dieting and stuff like that, you indicated that there is some role in lipolysis too, right?

[00:09:21] I mean it's actually clinics that charge you to get under these lights.

[00:09:26] Scott Chaverri: [00:09:26] Yeah, yeah. I was, I, you know, cause that's the question that I get often when customers call, can I use it for fat loss? And it's an obvious issue. Go out, go out to the mall, and, uh, and it's, you know, it's, it's definitely become kind of commonplace where, I don't know what the latest statistics are, but two thirds of adult Americans are overweight or obese.

[00:09:49] I think it's the current statistic. So a lot of folks looking for ways to intervene. And, um, so, you know, I, I look at the literature and [00:10:00] one of the. Strongest studies that I've seen was, uh, actually done in 2015. And, uh, and yeah, I think a Adele over at subversity published it on a site he wrote, the title, if you guys want to check it out as a, from August of 2015, was phototherapy doubles, fat loss 11 verse 6%.

[00:10:18] And improvements in insulin sensitivity 40 versus 22% and helps conserve lean mass in recent 20 weeks, exercise for weight loss trial. So, um. What they did was they took 64 overweight women. Uh, and they enrolled them in this trial. And, uh, so they didn't use panels. They actually used these plates that they put essentially on kind of the, the problem areas, kind of the hips and the waist.

[00:10:47] Carl Lanore: [00:10:47] So riding right in contact with the body. In other words.

[00:10:50] Scott Chaverri: [00:10:50] It was, it was those rank contact with the body. The power is similar to what you would get from, um, devices like ours. Uh, but there was the, these, these devices were close to the body. [00:11:00] What's interesting is that they used, um, near infrared, uh, which I think the exact wavelength, let me see if I can get it right.

[00:11:08] Here was eight. There was a little bit lower than what, uh, the peak in hours, uh, hours is eight 50. I think this was eight 30. Fall eight Oh five actually was eight. Oh five nanometers. Right. Anatomy to bio byways a billionth of a meter. I was wondering, so 800, five nanometers, uh, and. But it's near, it's in near infrared.

[00:11:30] So it's invisible. So it's very easy to get the control group right

[00:11:33] Carl Lanore: [00:11:33] because

[00:11:34] Scott Chaverri: [00:11:34] you turn it on, he can't see it. So it's very easy. So they had a very clear control group, a very clear, blinded study. Uh, and in just, I mean, the results were, were pretty profound. But, uh, again, when, uh, when folks ask me about this, I mean, this is the study that I pointed them to, cause I think it's one of the strongest ones that have been done.

[00:11:53] But, uh, the caveat is it wasn't, it was combined with exercise. So,

[00:11:58] Carl Lanore: [00:11:58] but, but the placebo [00:12:00] group also exercised in all fairness. That's right.

[00:12:02] Scott Chaverri: [00:12:02] That's right.

[00:12:03] Carl Lanore: [00:12:03] But here's why. It has to be combined with exercise for those of you think, Oh yeah, sure, they tricked us. No. Um, if you liberate free fatty acids into the bloodstream and you don't burn them as energy, they just get deposited somewhere else.

[00:12:16] So you don't  liberating fat, lipolysis in and of itself. He's not the silver bullet. You have to burn that fat now. And so when you use light Politik agents, the idea is to exercise after. So the released fatty acids get burnt up by muscles instead of a, yeah, it went from your ass to the top of your hip.

[00:12:39] Now, you know what I mean? So that, that they have to do that in order to really see the effects. Otherwise, everybody's fat is redeposited. There's no net change. They go, Oh, these red light things don't do anything. Yep.

[00:12:53] Scott Chaverri: [00:12:53] And well, so there was, again, like you said, the placebo group X exercise.

[00:12:57] So they were ever, and they were on the same regimen, [00:13:00] and, uh, but still the, uh, the, the comparison, I mean, the fat loss was doubled by simply using the red light. Uh, and then what's also really just fascinating is insulin sensitivity also went up. Um, so it's just a. You know, it's very profound study, but I, uh, I reason I wanted to talk about that one is that I do have folks calling me all the time and I, I just philosophically, I am not a quick fix.

[00:13:29] I think there are societies too, to quick fix, to pop the pill or, you know, use XYZ intervention. Um, and so if folks call me up and ask me about losing weight, I'm going to say, give the lights a try, but make sure you're also dieting and exercising. You know, they're

[00:13:46] Carl Lanore: [00:13:46] not going to make up.

[00:13:47] They're not gonna make up for the bad decisions, but they will accelerate, or at least at least facilitate the results. You know? I mean, this, this could help you if you're not moving as fast as you'd [00:14:00] like, but you're moving, you know what I mean? You're, you're, you're, you're on the weight loss path.

[00:14:05] Uh, so this could actually improve it. So. , how would you use, so would you use these lights for problem areas then? Could you see like women say, Oh, you know, I, I have these, ha ha saddlebags I want to get rid of. Could they just use the light directly on those areas and then go out and exercise, you think?

[00:14:24] Scott Chaverri: [00:14:24] Yeah, absolutely. No, I mean, we have the smaller panels, which you could easily use for that. Um, you know, there, I mean, I say small, but they're not small. I mean, a 12 by nine is our smallest panel. I mean, you could easily put that over your.

[00:14:37] Carl Lanore: [00:14:37] Middle base, mid

[00:14:39] Scott Chaverri: [00:14:39] sector section. Um, but I think the benefit of, you know, why we sell the larger panels is, uh, you know, you could treat more areas of the body at once and, uh, and there's something to be said for that systemic benefit is bathing the entire body or as much surface area of the body as you can.

[00:14:56] Enlight um, and [00:15:00] so, yeah, so I think you absolutely you can do that. Absolutely. Cause you could use it if you just wanted to get a smaller unit. Spot treat. I have a lot of customers that do that, and then they wind up, you know, they wind up enjoying it, uh, and then they want to save time. So then they send it back to me and I buy a bigger one, and I said,

[00:15:15] Carl Lanore: [00:15:15] wait a minute.

[00:15:16] They send the box. So you let you let them turn the unit in and give them credit for it. We

[00:15:21] Scott Chaverri: [00:15:21] do. We do. Uh,

[00:15:22] Carl Lanore: [00:15:22] we didn't hit a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You just move past something that is amazing to me. I can't find anyone to take back what I bought when I first tried their product to use that money towards an upgrade of a new product, except, except the diamond industry.

[00:15:39] But that's because they got, you know, they got five, five times markup on everything. So

[00:15:45] Scott Chaverri: [00:15:45] you're low ball on there.

[00:15:46] Carl Lanore: [00:15:46] So you ask, so somebody buys a small light. They use it and they actually see benefits. They think, dammit, you know, I, I did that. My first motorcycle was a, was a, a seven 50 and, and I, and like three weeks later I was like, I [00:16:00] need a thousand CC bike.

[00:16:02] Like this is already. So they, they feel like it's working and they go, okay, I'm going to upgrade you give him a credit. So how do you give him a credit back? What do you give him a percentage of what they spent initially.

[00:16:15] Scott Chaverri: [00:16:15] Well, no. I give him 100% back. I just had a guy. So there's a, this is a good, uh, cause this crosses over with what we talked about last time.

[00:16:22] Cause we talked about testosterone last time and um, and he just left a review. I had a really twist his arm because we were emailing and I'm like, this is really good. I please leave a review. And he finally left the review. Um, so he bought the small unit, uh, and he sees he's in his thirties, and he has to focus on issues.

[00:16:40] And he's heard that this could potentially be helpful. Right. All right. So, uh, and he tested at three 60, so it's rare. One of the reasons I twisted his arm is cause it's rare that I actually had before blood tests again, test three 60, uh, and he used a small unit, uh, on, on the crown jewels for seven weeks.

[00:16:57] Uh, and he took, uh, [00:17:00] God labs again and his testosterone up to five 70.

[00:17:02] Carl Lanore: [00:17:02] Now, that's not a small move

[00:17:05] Scott Chaverri: [00:17:05] night. Well, percentage wise, no, I mean, you know, it's like 60 something percent up. Uh, and. And then, so anyway, so he sent it. He's like, Oh, I love this. So he sent it back and then I upgraded them to a bigger one like this, you know, he wanted to

[00:17:18] Carl Lanore: [00:17:18] get it.

[00:17:18] I mean, that's unheard of. I don't know any company that would take and give you 100% credit for your initial purchase on something that they can't, you know, I, I would imagine you can't sell it as new at that point in time.

[00:17:28] Scott Chaverri: [00:17:28] Not really, uh, you know, cause these, it depends on how well it gets handled.

[00:17:34] I mean, the LEDs themselves. Lasts forever.

[00:17:37] Carl Lanore: [00:17:37] Right?

[00:17:38] Scott Chaverri: [00:17:38] So if it comes back within 60 days, it comes back and it looks, it looks brand new, then it essentially is brand new. Cause the only these last 50,000 hours, so, uh, you know,

[00:17:48] Carl Lanore: [00:17:48] a couple of hour, you might say you actually sell somebody a, one of those units that you take back as new.

[00:17:53] Would you tell them, look, this is, this unit was used, I'll give you a discount on it. That's

[00:17:57] Scott Chaverri: [00:17:57] typically what happens, and I get a lot of [00:18:00] emails or folks who are like, you have anything, you know?

[00:18:03] Carl Lanore: [00:18:03] Yeah. And we used to buy things scratch and dead. It was like, who cares? It's got a scratch on it.

[00:18:08] You get it like you buy a refrigerator at half price because it has a scratch on it.

[00:18:13] Scott Chaverri: [00:18:13] And I do. I will aggressively this kind of, because obviously I can't, I can't send it as new. I would never do that. Even if it's just got a little smudge, it's not new anymore. Uh, or, you know, so I have to sell at a discount.

[00:18:23] So I, you know, I have a small area where I, you know, we keep those and so on. Folks, uh, email me, uh, so they can email me This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. if you're interested and you don't care if it has a little smudge on the,

[00:18:35] Carl Lanore: [00:18:35] you're gonna get a, you gotta get an email from me after the show. I'm serious.

[00:18:40] I'm serious. I, I really, I, I really feel like, you know, it took me a long time to be convinced. Ron Penna was the first guy who started talking to me about red light. And I kept saying, Ron. Just get out in the sun. And the reality is if you're stubborn like me and you go. Well, look, we were made to be [00:19:00] in the sun, but the reality is you don't spend any time in the sun and you're not using.

[00:19:04] So you know, I get it. The sun would absolutely be the best thing, but throughout the year, how often do you get a chance to lay out in the sun? If it's not 60 to 70% of your year, you're not going to get the benefits of the sun. So why not use something that you can supplement with indoors.

[00:19:21] Scott Chaverri: [00:19:21] Well, and also , you know, we try to spend a lot of time outside.

[00:19:25] It's hard cause we work for a living, but even when we are outside, I got, you know, we've got the shirt on, I got a pants or shorts on, I'm covered up. Maybe I might have a hat, you know? So we're blocking a lot of the benefit away. I mean, how often are you running around naked outside,

[00:19:38] Carl Lanore: [00:19:38] right?

[00:19:40] Yeah. No, no doubt. I came around, it took me a while. I, I. Stinking, and I'm a purist. I'm just going to use the sun. But then when I look at my sun exposure throughout the year, other than the three months of the summer where I lay out every day, the sun will allow me to, because I get so dark.

[00:19:59] I've had more [00:20:00] people in my life from my mother when I was young to even Alisa say to me, you're just getting too dark now. It's like, I don't look like the same person anymore. When I lived in Arizona, I used to walk, um. To, uh, the, the, the, the gym was on a, what does that Wagner, what is that water, what a ranch road, right?

[00:20:24] Oh, yeah. Between, um, I can't think of the two avenues that crossed it right there, but I used to go to a pure fitness, I think it was called, uh, over there. And, uh, I walked every day to and from the gym. Because the judge in my divorce took my car away, gave it to my ex wife. I didn't have a car.

[00:20:41] I was out there walking and I walked every day ahead. Yeah, no, no, it was Scott. It was actually a blessing in disguise. Like I look back at that and think, man, I wish I could do that today. I walked to and from the gym. Rural and Warner. I [00:21:00] want to say it was no rural was the other end. Yeah, no, it was, it was that

[00:21:04] Scott Chaverri: [00:21:04] claim talk or, um, about, I got

[00:21:06] Carl Lanore: [00:21:06] shot the next, the next shit.

[00:21:08] Next Avenue. Uh, going away from the mountains with the, eh, the TV antennas on them, the next Avenue pet before, after rural, that's the, the corner it was on. So I used to walk, you know, it was a half mile each way, you know, one of those traffic lights each way. That's a half mile each way. So I used to walk a half mile each way to and from the gym in the morning.

[00:21:28] Of course, I was shirtless 90% of the time. People would walk up to me like just walking and start talking Spanish to me. Yeah. And I go English, Spanish, English, no Spanish. I was like, I'm sorry. I used to get so frigging dark. I looked like a native. I really, really did. And

[00:21:49] Scott Chaverri: [00:21:49] you probably felt great though, like if you really think back to those, like, you know, if you really track in your mind now these days, the biohackers we have, you know, like the oral ring and we've got all these sort of like things where we can [00:22:00] actually track certain, uh, metrics.

[00:22:04] But, um. Know before all that crap like you used to just kind of be in tune with your body and if you're actually paying attention, I would bet than if you actually self-assessed. You would think to yourself, man, I feel great. What am I doing?

[00:22:15] Carl Lanore: [00:22:15] I was my strongest. I was my leanest and most muscular.

[00:22:20] I felt good. I felt youthful and I'll tell you something else. I got the greatest compliment walking through the pool one day. And this man was walking the other way towards me. And as he went by me, he said to me, man, you look like Johnny Weissmuller. Now, for those of us who are old enough who even know who Johnny Weissmuller is, he played Tarzan and the original movies, and my father loved Johnny Weissmuller and I said, man, I wish my father was alive right now to hear you say that, but no, I did.

[00:22:51] I was, I was my healthiest. I was my leanest. I was my fittest. I felt great. And I wish I could do that again today. I wish I could get out in the sun every [00:23:00] day and walk to and from the gym. It's, it's magic. It really, really is. Um, I want to go ahead and take a quick commercial break. When we come back, let's just kind of traverse some of the other research that has been tied to, uh, exposure of red and near infrared light.

[00:23:16] For those of you who, uh, watching the show live, a Mito red light.com, the code is S H offer 10% off. Scott offers free shipping inside the United States and deeply. Ridiculously reduced shipping outside the United States to make it, uh, available to people all over the globe. And I got to believe that you're getting a lot of business from outside the USA because of your, your shipping rates.

[00:23:43] Scott Chaverri: [00:23:43] Yeah, definitely. It's growing. And so, and it's really, it's somewhat, um, quizzical to me, cause I don't even know how they're finding us. Yeah. Cause we don't advertise outside of North America

[00:23:53] Carl Lanore: [00:23:53] talking about, I have to listen to this all over the fricking globe. You don't know. You don't know how they're finding out about you.

[00:24:00] [00:24:00] You know, don't, don't think, because they don't, they don't use the code that they didn't hear the website on a show. I mean, seriously. And you know, I have listeners, I have a two list. Well one, one of them finally moved out, but I used to have two listeners on the Island of Mauritius off the coast of Madagascar.

[00:24:17] One of them. Was Paul Becker and then he moved back to Florida, I think, well, maybe he moved to India. I can't think now. I forget. But he's always someplace on the globe. But I mean, I get downloads from everywhere. They have a available internet. It's amazing. It's amazing. So I'm sure that they hear the name of the show, the name of the product on the show.

[00:24:41] I feel that confident about it. And, and, and then of course, other podcasts, you know, that's the wonder of podcasts. I used to have to go to a program director to try to get on a new radio station in Florida. Now you put up an RSS feed and people like what you're doing and they pass you around and all of a sudden you've got listeners on every square [00:25:00] inch of the globe.

[00:25:01] So, no, that's great. That's awesome. The rates for international shipping are ridiculously low and makes it worthwhile to get this product. W

[00:25:11] Scott Chaverri: [00:25:11] w we try to compete with whoever's sell. If the, if there's anybody selling these devices locally, I want to be able to get it to you at the same, same, or lower cost.

[00:25:19] So I'm very aggressive except for South Africa. South Africa is very expensive to ship to.

[00:25:24] Carl Lanore: [00:25:24] Is it really? I just learned this.

[00:25:27] Scott Chaverri: [00:25:27] That's a tough one.

[00:25:28] Carl Lanore: [00:25:28] So you actually had a, you actually had someone from South Africa by the unit or three.

[00:25:32] Scott Chaverri: [00:25:32] He bought three and uh, it was almost $400. So he did the DHL to him,

[00:25:38] Carl Lanore: [00:25:38] but he wanted it, but he wanted it.

[00:25:40] You know why? Because when he looked at you and your competitors, he goes, I got to spend, I want them. I'm not going to bog them. Yeah.

[00:25:48] Scott Chaverri: [00:25:48] Yeah, it was. That was, that's the most I've had to pay for shipping anywhere South Africa. But, uh, but Europe, all or anywhere in Asia, uh, we're very aggressive.

[00:25:57] Carl Lanore: [00:25:57] Yeah, there you go. All right. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll be right [00:26:00] back with more. Stay tuned at the end, the today show or towards, you had the today show. I want to talk about CBO. Uh, I have a solution for many of you that price has been standing in your way from taking advantage of it.

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[00:26:51] Like some people probably don't want to tell their friends, Oh, I bought this light from XYZ company. Uh, because their friend's going to go and go, wait a minute. You [00:27:00] spent, you spent $900 for that little thing, really, or $700 for that little, I mean, it's just a, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's, um, it's a product that deserves.

[00:27:11] Your attention because red light therapy actually is good. And if you are interested in taking advantage of the benefits of it, this is the best product that you should buy, and that's it. Um, how do you know which unit you need? Jeff Clifton says that's an interesting question. That's an interesting question.

[00:27:34] I, I guess. It's like you said before, it's more of a thing getting, get started with the small one and see what you think of it.

[00:27:42] Scott Chaverri: [00:27:42] Yeah. So what I would say is, uh,

[00:27:46] Carl Lanore: [00:27:46] it

[00:27:46] Scott Chaverri: [00:27:46] depends on what you're using it for. Uh, so for me, um, typically, uh, what am I trying to accomplish? I mean, from general health and wellness perspective, uh, the wrinkles, trying to [00:28:00] keep the wrinkles away.

[00:28:01] It a little bit of thinning here in the front. Uh, and then just libido, testosterone, hopefully benefits. So I'm trying to shine the light at a minimum from the groin up through my hairline. Uh, and I'm trying to do that in 10 minutes or less a day. So for me, I, I, that's where the body panel is helpful.

[00:28:21] It's 36 inches, stand back from at six to 12 inches, and I'm getting lights, you know, bathed them bathing in the life, basically from my knees to hairline at that distance. So for me, it's about time because the devices are pretty much exactly the same. A and design, they're just a different sizes.

[00:28:40] Uh, so the small units, 12 inches, the mid size is 19. Then you get to the full body, uh, bucket, which is 36 by. 12 or excuse me, 36 by nine, and then we have the mega, which is basically 36 by 12. It's 300 LEDs. It's really powerful. You can even feel the warmth coming off [00:29:00] that device. Um, so you'd want to stand back a little bit further on that, and you can get really kind of head to toe coverage.

[00:29:06] You stand back 1218 inches. You can base the entire. In front of your body and the light. So it's more about how much cause, but theoretically you could do the same thing with a small light, uh, but you would just need to do

[00:29:17] Carl Lanore: [00:29:17] sex comes down to intensity, comes down to intensity. So like when we talk about transcranial, if you want to get through the skull, you're going to have to come closer.

[00:29:25] When you look at light, you could think of light in the same way you would think of, um, anything. A bullet, you know, closer to the muzzle. It's moving faster. As you get hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of yards away, it starts moving slower and slower. That's the same. Analogy you can use for intensity.

[00:29:42] The frequency gives it a characteristic that it can penetrate a certain material, but the intensity tells you how deep it's going to penetrate. So if you're doing transcranial stuff, you want to get close to your head. And if you study the brain and you can specify, [00:30:00] um, depression, Oh, it seems that depression happens in this area of the brain.

[00:30:04] Then expose that area of your skull. Get close, get an inch or two away. Maybe you, I guess, would you burn yourself if you got too close?

[00:30:12] Scott Chaverri: [00:30:12] No,

[00:30:13] Carl Lanore: [00:30:13] no, no. So, so you get an inch or two away and sit there while you're working on a project, you know? Um, but

[00:30:19] Scott Chaverri: [00:30:19] yeah, it Carl, honestly, I don't think you need to get that close.

[00:30:22] I mean, you could, we usually say six inches BP a good six inches away. These lights are really powerful and they're made so that you don't have to put them right up on the body. So

[00:30:32] Carl Lanore: [00:30:32] here he has a good question to follow up questions. So how do you expose for certain objectives like mood and hormone balances?

[00:30:38] Well, if it, if it's testosterone, they showed that direct exposure to the exposure to the gonads. Right,

[00:30:43] Scott Chaverri: [00:30:43] right. Get him right on the crown jewels. Why not? And that's the nice thing about LEDs cause they don't get hot. You can do that.

[00:30:50] Carl Lanore: [00:30:50] Like I want to, I'm going to go on the limb here. I'm going to go on the limb here, right?

[00:30:54] I stand to lose my medical license. I'm so glad I don't have one. Isn't that [00:31:00] great? What are you gonna take? Um, no, but the reality is, I bet you if you had thyroid problems, if you just exposed your, the lower base of the base of your neck, upper area of your clavicles, that a would radiate right into the thyroid and do stuff.

[00:31:13] If you can get, if you can get to the region or the kidneys, you put it in your back. I bet you if you can get to the area, uh, where the organ that you're trying to affect resides. Uh, with the intensity of these, because the, the wave length itself, like 800 nanometers, 700, it will penetrate, um, almost two inches.

[00:31:39] But as you increase the intensity, that becomes three inches, four inches. So, you know, when you lay in the sun, you can bet if you had a camera inside your viscera. You would see like if you will in a tent and the sun came out, you may not see the sun, but everything would get really bright. Like when you looking through your eyelids at the sun, how [00:32:00] your eyelids light up.

[00:32:02] I'm sure that's what the inside of your body looks like when light hits it.

[00:32:07] Scott Chaverri: [00:32:07] Yeah. On the thyroid, I did have a, you can go to the website on one of the reviews we had. I had a customer who was hypo thyroid I believe. And um, it used to life for a couple of weeks. He got to get you to get off this medication.

[00:32:21] Like I, I D and if it's just a small unit, like you said, I mean it was just taking a small unit, just shining it probably right around that area. And, uh, it just, I love those stories are really, really, I may have mentioned the last time cause that, that was one of the one that when somebody tells me they get pain relief or they're getting off some sort of medication or something like that, um, you know, I just really feel good about what we're doing.

[00:32:42] Carl Lanore: [00:32:42] So how about duration? Obviously. I mean. The longer the better, but are there minimum minimum durations for effective

[00:32:50] Scott Chaverri: [00:32:50] exposure? Yeah. Gosh. So is this a complex question? Because it depends on the power? Depends on the distance. Depends [00:33:00] on what you're using it for. I mean, uh, for the skin. Uh, generally speaking and the red light red lights for skin, uh, the, the dose response curve is shorter.

[00:33:10] So, you know, you can get away with, you know, depends on who you ask, but three to 10 minutes, depending on, uh, what you're trying to accomplish. But, you know, for like muscle recovery, joint pain, typically the near infrared, you want, you know, just a longer dose. Uh, you know, you're going to be on the higher end, you know, 10, 15, maybe 20 minutes.

[00:33:28] Um.

[00:33:29] Carl Lanore: [00:33:29] I'm still,

[00:33:30] Scott Chaverri: [00:33:30] it really depends and I want to, one of my goals over the, in 2020, uh, as I'm thinking about what I want to accomplish is to give more specific goals through the literature of which there it is. There's a lot, and really try to dial in the dosing recommendations depending on what the, what the concern is, because there's a lot of literature out there and I'll, I'll direct people to the website.

[00:33:52] I don't know if I showed you this, the spreadsheet that we

[00:33:55] Carl Lanore: [00:33:55] have, it's Mito red light.com it's on there. Yeah.

[00:33:58] Scott Chaverri: [00:33:58] Yeah. If you go to Mito red [00:34:00] light.com and you'd go to FAQ and then about halfway down there is this a is a link to a third party. Compilation of theirs. Last time I looked, there were over 4,000 studies on photobiomodulation and you can download the spreadsheet and sort it and filter it by whatever it is.

[00:34:20] Your infant Cerner. Yeah, so bone brain, I mean, it's a. And I've got it open here. A depression. We were talking about a brain injury. We were talking about cognitive performance. I mean, that's just in the brain section. You could filter it by year. You could filter it by type of study, human rat, mouse, and then the type of human study that it was as a case series.

[00:34:42] Is it a meta analysis? Is that a randomized controlled trial? I mean, you can literally take the spreadsheet and drill down and then, and it also tells you. The wavelengths that were used, the power, the duration. And this is where it gets into kind of where I, where I want to take things in 2020 is when I get these [00:35:00] questions, you know, I have to give general answers.

[00:35:02] I, uh, it's hard to say. Uh, and plus after that, there were all different. But you know, I want to really try to summarize the data. Say, okay, well, what is the current data? Tell us for. Cognitive performance, you know, how would you try to use the device for that? Uh, and you know, you could probably tease out some good recommendations cause otherwise it, I mean, there's always going to be an element of trial and error anyway.

[00:35:24] You get the device, you use it, you play around with it, play with the dosage, play with the time they play with the distance and see how you feel. Um, but anyway, that's all, that's all my goals list for 20 20th to try. And, uh. See if I can distill the data and to

[00:35:40] Carl Lanore: [00:35:40] kind of ensure interpreted.

[00:35:42] Yeah. Yeah. And here, and here's the interesting thing about the different wavelengths, right? So all the 800 nanometers wavelength from around eight Oh five up to eight 90 seem to produce the greatest effect in liberating nitric oxide from hemoglobin. All of the [00:36:00] red. Wavelength. The 600 you know, 600 to 660 670 when you look at those, they seem to stimulate mitochondria.

[00:36:11] So the thing thing about this is don't get hung up. It's like, Oh, this is eight Oh five and yours is a 30 or yours is eight 50 and this was a 20 because those frequencies have jobs that pretty much fall categorically upon the different nanometers of wavelength. Have you found that also.

[00:36:30] Scott Chaverri: [00:36:30] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:36:31] And again, it's not, it's not like you're getting only six 60.

[00:36:35] Carl Lanore: [00:36:35] No, that's the, that's the , right? That's the target. That's the peak intensity,

[00:36:40] Scott Chaverri: [00:36:40] right? That's the peak intensity. But you're getting pretty much between six and 700 and between eight and 900, roughly. You look at the bell curve,

[00:36:48] Carl Lanore: [00:36:48] and that's because of the aberration aberrated or aberration created by the shape of the led.

[00:36:55] Uh, just like any, uh, prism based. And all [00:37:00] curves are prison based, right? You either have the apex in the middle facing each other where you have a positive, or you have the apex is facing away from each other where you have a negative, uh, any, any prism based, uh, spiritual clear, uh, medium is going to bend light at different rates.

[00:37:22] It's called the total internal reflection. Equation. It bends light specific ways in this, in the range of that curve. So while the target and maybe 60% of what that led produces is 850 you have everything else and almost like a beautiful laid out spectrum to the right into the left of that. And it's really impressive.

[00:37:47] It's really amazing. People think, Oh, this has led to justice. I want to answer this question because I have an answer for this guy. No really. Jeff cliff, Jeff Clifton is on onto something here.  and I, and I, you know the [00:38:00] thoughts that go through my head. I have no time to write them down. I'd write a book, I'd be famous, but so he says, could you, is it possible for someone suffering from CBO to lay down on the, I don't think I have to lay down, or I think you could lay on your back and laid on your stomach, but there is clear cut evidence of the.

[00:38:16] Skewing of diversity of the microbes in people's guts based on how close they live to the equator now. Yup. In the past, people have said it's because of Heath, but it can't be because of heat. Because modern day, we have air condition. We have control climates indoors in our cars, so it's not like people back in the day in the equator when they spent all their time out in daylight.

[00:38:42] And some, I'm in the heat of the day. Uh, it has to be light. It has to be the wavelength and the intensity of sunlight at the equator because it permeates every square millimeter of your body. And so I really believed that. And they [00:39:00] showed the correlation between Firmicutes and bacteria. DDS produces a human that naturally stays leaner.

[00:39:08] They utilize more energy. Wild. They're, they're, uh, extraction of nutrition from their food goes down. So they're, they're actually imposing almost calorie restriction without, and, but they could eat as much as they want. And they also tend to burn more energy doing the same tasks as somebody who lives in a dark climate.

[00:39:30] I really believe it's the light. And so

[00:39:32] Scott Chaverri: [00:39:32] it is, it is. They, they just, I just saw a study on this recently, uh, uh, it. It was a in frontiers in microbiology. I just looked it up on the interwebs real quick, and they showed that increased, uh, exposure to sun, uh, increased the diversity of the gut.

[00:39:49] It's just, you know, which is just, you think, you know, these things would be completely unrelated.

[00:39:55] Carl Lanore: [00:39:55] Like, how is it possible? Go back to the beginning of today's show. [00:40:00] The exposure of the sun to the sun has played a profound role in our development as humans. So has oxygen. Imagine what oxygen has done for us on this planet.

[00:40:13] Now imagine you only get oxygen three hours a day. How well would you do? I mean, there might be people that could suffer and breathe the percentage of oxygen across 24 hours that they would only get in three hours. Their bodies would adjust. They become emaciated and weak. That brains wouldn't work anymore.

[00:40:30] They'd lay around, but they, they'd still be alive. We. Need the sun and the dermatological industry has done humanity a profound injustice by suggesting everybody slathered themselves with sunblock and blaming skin cancer on the sun. When skin cancer is a result of your diet, the sun is an unwilling participant.

[00:40:57] Scott Chaverri: [00:40:57] Yeah. That's interesting. I mean, just to hear your [00:41:00] thoughts on that, because I've always just thought that, um. You know, it's a problem. Like the way I've a reconciled in my mind is, yeah, sunlight's a problem or sun exposure is a problem if you go out once a month for three hours, right? Like if you go a whole month without getting any sun and then you go and burn, like clearly that's, that's a prod.

[00:41:19] But really like that kind of behavior can add up to be a problem.

[00:41:22] Carl Lanore: [00:41:22] But wait a minute, the reason that that's not it, it's because they have shown that people who have high levels of carotenoids in their skin. And high levels of actual vitamin a in their skin, which comes from their diet or supplementation, are protected against developing melanoma from a bad burn in the sun.

[00:41:45] See, so everything you eat makes its way into your skin. And so there are things that we know that modern medicine knows that if you take things like, uh, ask the xanthan. Uh, if you take things like [00:42:00] a vitamin C, if you take carotenoids, you are protected from cancer in the sun. So when you realize that the food you eat can protect you from cancer, now think of a person who eats a complete shit diet, devoid of any real nutrition, but loaded with artificial sweeteners, artificial colors, artificial.

[00:42:24] Uh, you know, preservatives, artificial, artificial, artificial. When that's done, then when that stuff makes it into the skin cells and is activated by the photons of the sun, it turns into toxins that poison the cell and they start the mutation that eventually becomes cancer because it has to be that way.

[00:42:44] Folks, or the good stuff wouldn't protect you.

[00:42:48] Scott Chaverri: [00:42:48] Yeah. Okay. So the, I, I agree with that. I would say, you know, maybe eat some, some, uh, wild caught salmon and maybe not pop the  [00:43:00] pills, but, uh, but yeah, but the way I've reconciled it is, you know, that's three hours of sunlight. If it were 10 minutes a day, uh, each day.

[00:43:08] Yeah. Right. And you're, you're, you build up the natural defense mechanisms called a suntan. And you have no problems, but it's just, it's just, it's a behavioral thing where, and, but the, the son gets blamed for it. Just really this, um, abnormal behavior, uh, well, what I'm calling abnormal, but, but abnormal from an evolutionary perspective.

[00:43:28] Carl Lanore: [00:43:28] You're so right that ASU develop Malano ten one and Malano tend to, I don't know if you know, what, are you familiar with these two peptides?

[00:43:36] Scott Chaverri: [00:43:36] I am a little bit,

[00:43:38] Carl Lanore: [00:43:38] well, ASU develop them so that people who have fair skin. Could inject them days before going on vacation and have that natural protective mechanism of being pretend before they went on vacation.

[00:43:51] And it works. It keeps people from getting cancer. Yeah. Well,

[00:43:56] Scott Chaverri: [00:43:56] I've always, you know, even before I understood this, [00:44:00] I'm to the point, the extent that I do now. I mean, I've always kind of just sort of naturally done that. If I, even when I lived in upstate New York. And we had it, we had a retreat to Mexico during the winters.

[00:44:12] There was no choice. Right. Cause it was just too depressing. The windows are too long and depressing. You know, we would go and two weeks before leaving, you know, I would go to the tanning boots and I build up kind of a base tan because I didn't want to get to Mexico and get burnt.

[00:44:24] Carl Lanore: [00:44:24] Right.

[00:44:25] Scott Chaverri: [00:44:25] So, you know, thinking

[00:44:26] Carl Lanore: [00:44:26] ahead, I was just up.

[00:44:27] I was just up in Middleburg. Go Harry County, I don't know if you, where you

[00:44:31] Scott Chaverri: [00:44:31] lived when I was, we were in Rochester.

[00:44:33] Carl Lanore: [00:44:33] Okay. So you were closer, you were close to you. You just were above white stone and a and M. Oh, but what do I want to say? The Pelhams that right. Westchester. Then Rochester, right?

[00:44:42] Yeah. Um, I was just up there and I don't know how people live up there. It's so depressing in

[00:44:46] Scott Chaverri: [00:44:46] the way. It's rough.

[00:44:49] Carl Lanore: [00:44:49] It's right. It's gloomy. There's 18 inches of snow fall in on upstate where I was hunting today, there's 18 inches fallen.

[00:44:56] Scott Chaverri: [00:44:56] Yeah. For me it was the lack of sun. Yeah. It was the lack of sun.

[00:44:59] Cause even [00:45:00] I, I mean we were both originally from New York, I think. I think you're originally from Brooklyn, that Island. So even downstate, at least you get,

[00:45:08] Carl Lanore: [00:45:08] it's cold, gets cold,

[00:45:09] Scott Chaverri: [00:45:09] but you get sun, you know, at least in the end. And for me it's such a big difference if it's cold, but the sun's out just psychologically.

[00:45:16] But up there it's cold and there's no sun. Like it's very gray. And you know this, it's one of the, you know, if you look at like a number of days of sunlight a year, Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, or. On the bottom of the list for cities in the, in the, in the U S it's, it's really, it's really tough.

[00:45:30] So it was a tough 10 years up there, but then we came to Phoenix. That was like

[00:45:34] Carl Lanore: [00:45:34] part of the opposite side of two things. You know what I mean? We went from being in the gloom to living in where people say, Alex, it's really not that hot. It's dry. It's dry. It's dry heat in hell too. I hear. I'm not sure.

[00:45:48] That's what I've heard. Um, again, the product is called . The website is Mito red light. Uh, dot com right now, if you use the code SHR, you can save [00:46:00] 10% off. Plus you get free shipping inside the United States and deeply discounted shipping abroad enough to make it worthwhile. Because when you look at the intelligent price of his product, you realize, Oh my God, I can afford this now because you're still going to pay the same shipping with the other companies.

[00:46:15] You're just going to pay him more money for the, for the light. Um, you should give it a try. It. Uh, if you are a follower and believer in red light therapy, then this is a must. Even if you get the small unit and sit across from your face in the morning, I've heard, I've seen studies that show that it synchronizes circadian rhythm and people sleep better and deeper.

[00:46:35] And we saw that in the end, the TBI study, that exposure to the, Oh, which brings me to a point here, I'm a profound believer in evolutionary edX. You know. Uh, from an evolutionary perspective, we've never bread breathe water. So please don't jump in the water and take a breath. Right? That's like from, from an we not capable of that.

[00:46:56] And I don't think Sunday's a light exposure late at night is a wise [00:47:00] thing cause it would have never happened in our evolutionary journey. Would you agree with that morning, early afternoon? What would you say?

[00:47:07] Scott Chaverri: [00:47:07] Yeah, that's a, it's a great segue. I'm glad you brought that up because we've talked about this last time.

[00:47:12] And, uh, and you said, well, what time should you use it? And I, I w. Generally, uh, thinking as you are here, that, okay, if we wouldn't normally be exposed to these bright lights, uh, even even the reds, right? Like in evening, then why, why would we do that? Uh, it just seems like there's a, there's a disconnect.

[00:47:32] So my bias would be to use it in the morning, use the lights in the morning, and that's personally, I use it in the morning. Having said that, uh, you know, I did a little research after our discussion and I did find this study. Uh, from 2012 actually, it's red light and the sleep quality and endurance performance of Chinese female basketball players.

[00:47:52] It's a really interesting study. I'll give you a couple. Uh, they took, uh, 20, uh, elite what they call elite athletes. They also was called elite [00:48:00] athletes and they had them lay down and they, um, expose their entire body, entire front of their body, cause they wore swimsuits. Two, uh, six 50, eight nanometers, which is red, right?

[00:48:10] Basically six 60 is what we use, right? Uh, for 14 days. Uh, and, and so it was controlled studies. So the way they controlled it is they completely blind, literally blinded them, like blindfolded them.

[00:48:21] Carl Lanore: [00:48:21] So they didn't know what they were being exposed to. Right.

[00:48:24] Scott Chaverri: [00:48:24] It, they, they, they could have just been so half the group just laid there.

[00:48:27] Right. You know, and weren't getting anything. And then half the group were getting radiated by the red light. And there were profound improvements in sleep quality, and this was, Oh, and they did it in the evening, that that was kind of one of the key points as they did this in the evening, which I was very skeptical of doing personally.

[00:48:42] Uh, but again, I think one of the, maybe perhaps one of the takeaways is they did it in the evening, but their eyes were shielded. Uh, you know, I just thought, I don't know if that matters, but I'm just making sure that folks understand that

[00:48:55] Carl Lanore: [00:48:55] well and would matter. But, but again, in all of that, I'm thinking about it.

[00:48:58] I may have put my foot in [00:49:00] my mouth because we get the preponderance of red light at dusk.

[00:49:03] Scott Chaverri: [00:49:03] Yeah. Right. That's sun at sunset. Yeah. So, uh, so it's, so the, was there any evening, it was a 30 minute exposure in this tanning bed, like set up, but it was really the front of their bodies. They got a radiated, so it was not a small dose.

[00:49:18] Of light in the evening. Ciro melatonin in the, uh, non-control group went from 22 to 38 and almost doubled, which is crazy. And then there, this was 14 days endurance. These are elite athletes. Their endurance increased 12% in 14 days. So I was. Really, and it's a great study. I encourage people to check it out.

[00:49:44] Red light and the suit quality and endurance performance

[00:49:46] Carl Lanore: [00:49:46] of the website, they can find that out. If you go, if you go to Mito red light.com you can find that spreadsheet, right? So the on the spreadsheet, right?

[00:49:53] Scott Chaverri: [00:49:53] Yes. Yes. It's on there. That spreadsheet. I mean, that spreadsheet's got everything on there, but, um.

[00:49:58] I was really impressed with it. [00:50:00] And you know, I mean, melatonin, like this is one of the kind of offshoot benefits of red light exposure. I mean, you know, how important melatonin,

[00:50:08] Carl Lanore: [00:50:08] so valuable

[00:50:09] Scott Chaverri: [00:50:09] constantly. You know, it gets pigeonholed as a sleep hormone, but it does so much more than that. I mean, you know, it's antioxidant and, uh, anticancer and I mean, I could go on and on, um.

[00:50:21] And so to, and again, not a lot of people will say, Oh, just take three milligrams of melatonin at night or something. But if you can get the body to make its own,

[00:50:29] Carl Lanore: [00:50:29] yeah, that's better. Of course, of course it's better because the pineal gland is making other things too, like peanut lawn and every towel on and, or version of epi talent.

[00:50:38] So, uh, Jeff Clifton is on the website now and he's saying, where does, where's the coupon code for the discount? Oh, Scott, I don't know if you can still hear me or see me, but you're gone. Uh, I'm going to bring your camera down and ask you to reconnect, please. Um, but I'm on the website right now.

[00:50:57] And, uh, [00:51:00] I had a click through, I, I had to choose my product and click through, and then it takes you to a second page where, uh, you see, uh, on the right hand side it says discount code. Um, Scott is coming back here, reconnecting. Um, you see discount code. I'm gonna, I'm gonna allow Scott to probably explain it a little bit better than me.

[00:51:22] Jeff Clifton is asking where the, um, where the, uh, actual, uh, coupon code goes. And so can

[00:51:31] Scott Chaverri: [00:51:31] you, can you hear me now?

[00:51:33] Carl Lanore: [00:51:33] Yeah, I can hear you good. Yeah, it's a, I was telling him once you place the unit in your cart and you go to your cart on the right hand side, right above the price, it says discount code.

[00:51:40] I'm looking at it, but it looks like you're out of stock. On the Mito min right now. Is that true? Uh,

[00:51:48] Scott Chaverri: [00:51:48] it's been a crazy, it's black Friday.

[00:51:53] Carl Lanore: [00:51:53] People buying up

[00:51:53] Scott Chaverri: [00:51:53] again. It's been, it has been nuts. And so the small one. Yes. Like we literally just sold out today. Uh, but [00:52:00] I've got more coming in, in a week.

[00:52:02] I, I can, if

[00:52:03] Carl Lanore: [00:52:03] anybody, I can promise you'll get it before Christmas. So I, they, I think, uh, I think that's what DD Burke a ho and is, is questioning here. So I'm going to put DD Burke hones a comment up here. She's, I have ordered and never received mine, so maybe we can look into her specifically.

[00:52:22] Um, I mean, yeah, I would say that.

[00:52:25] Scott Chaverri: [00:52:25] Or it's first time I'm hearing that one, but

[00:52:27] Carl Lanore: [00:52:27] yeah. Uh, it says Lima wand isn't providing any shipping info since October order. What are, who is Lemo wand?

[00:52:40] I don't know. Maybe she has you confused with somebody else? She's asking if you represent the company. Yes. He's the owner of the company. Yes. He, she said she ordered it months ago. I don't know what she's talking about. I don't know what she's talking about. DD Burke Cohen. Well, uh, I can promise you that Scott will look [00:53:00] into this.

[00:53:00] Um, if there is any issues, he'll get right back to you on that. I believe she's confused,

[00:53:05] Scott Chaverri: [00:53:05] although we'll look into it, but I don't know. I

[00:53:08] Carl Lanore: [00:53:08] don't know what

[00:53:09] Scott Chaverri: [00:53:09] Lemo Wanda is. I don't know

[00:53:11] Carl Lanore: [00:53:11] what, now it's a little L U M. Auto-correct issue. Luma, L. U. M. a wand. W. a. N. D. is that a product Luma want?

[00:53:20] Oh, it's like a shipping company. She says they should. They provided her bad shipping information. So you look at us, I don't want to go on and on with it. You've reached the owner of the company. He will look into a GD.

[00:53:35] Scott Chaverri: [00:53:35] I am the owner of Mito red light. Not of Luma won Thursday.

[00:53:38] Carl Lanore: [00:53:38] No, no, no. Yeah.

[00:53:39] We don't know who Luma Wanda is. Yeah. We don't know. We don't even know what they are honest with you. Um, but anyway, I, so look again, uh, Mito red light.com code is SHR 10% off free shipping inside the United States and deeply discounted shipping outside the United States at the place to go.

[00:53:56] Um. It looks like someone from your company [00:54:00] is charming and what is Lumo wand? Yeah, that's what we want to know too. Uh, but anyway, uh, what we're going to do is we're going to let Scott go here in a second, and then when we come back, I'm going to talk about, uh, some information that's going to be a great value to people who suffer from small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.

[00:54:15] I've used it. It really works. Um, and I'll talk about everything from LL three seven to this. Uh, discussion, uh, when we come back from the break, is there anything else you want to cover real, real, real quick before we, uh, take a take a break here?

[00:54:32] Scott Chaverri: [00:54:32] No. I would just encourage folks to go to the website, might overhead light that ACOM and again, if they're interested in the science, there's so much of it.

[00:54:38] Uh, go to the FAQ, download the spreadsheet. Really, I always encourage folks to educate themselves as much as they can. And then I, I learned a lot from my customers through the feedback that we get. So appreciate any feedback you guys have.

[00:54:51] Carl Lanore: [00:54:51] I Scott, and also this makes a great gift and the holiday season is upon us.

[00:54:55] If you have someone in your family who has TBI or sleep issues or mild [00:55:00] depression or uh, or yourself, maybe it's a good Christmas gift for you. SHR is the code for 10% off. Happy holidays. Scott.

[00:55:07] Scott Chaverri: [00:55:07] Thanks Carly too.

[00:55:08] Carl Lanore: [00:55:08] I talk to you soon. We're going to take a quick commercial break, and when we come back, I'm going to tell you a secret about CBO and what you can do for it, and your doctor can actually help you with this one.

[00:55:20] Stay tuned. We'll be right back. Welcome back. So, uh, it was either late last year or early this year. I did a, a show with dr Satish Rao. I think he pronounced his name, Rao. R. a. O. I pronounced it ratio. When I first interviewed, I did the pre-interview. Oh, I was setting him up for the show.

[00:55:40] Um, and he corrected me and said it was Rao. So dr Satish Rao did a study, uh, that went around the internet and let everybody up. It was called lactic acid producing bacteria in CBO linked to brain fog. Um, what his group did was they [00:56:00] took people who had known digestive issues, bloating when they ate certain foods and discomfort and changes in bowel movement, all that sort of stuff.

[00:56:08] And, uh, they did blood work on them and they saw that they had a very, very high level of something called D lactic acid. And it was so high that it was considered D lactic acidosis and D lactic acidosis is a metal. It's kind of like a metabolic debris, if you will. It's left over, produced by the stomach.

[00:56:28] It's not used as energy, like lactic acid that's produced in muscles. It just stays in the bloodstream and it causes havoc and disregulates lots of different systems and tissue, blah, blah, blah. But it also seems to kind of fog up. Cognition and brain function, and it's highest in the morning when you wake up because when you sleep is when your body kind of prunes and, and, and the stomach.

[00:56:54] That's why you don't want to eat before you go to sleep because you want this, the gut to do its [00:57:00] repair work and do the things that it does. And so you can kind of think of it as the guts awake while you're asleep, as long as it's not digesting. Cause then it's working. It's not, uh, doing housekeeping.

[00:57:12] And so at that time is when these active lactic acid producing bacteria produce lots of D lactic acid. And in the morning you wake up and you're, you're hung over from this party that your gut had while you were sleeping. I mean, I'm oversimplifying, right. And what he found out was when you took these people and you gave them a specific antibiotic, and you know, I hate antibiotics, but.

[00:57:38] Stay open minded for a second. You give them a specific antibiotic. It only got rid of the bacteria in the small intestine, right? CBO is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, which implies that there's not supposed to be a lot of bacteria in your small intestine that's for the colon. [00:58:00] And so, uh.

[00:58:03] When you take, when you take this particular antibiotic, which a stays confined to the small intestine, doesn't even make it into the colon, it doesn't get delivered systemically. It only stays in the small intestine. That's it. Does it job very, very, very short half life and it's gone. You have to take it three times a day for that reason, but when you take this particular antibiotic, it destroys it.

[00:58:28] Obliterates it scorches the earth. It gets rid of all of the, the, the small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. Now I did LL three seven that changed my stomach. I've come to the understanding that gut issues don't just happen. They are layers of different levels of changes in your gut, and each change permits the next change to happen.

[00:58:57] So builds on itself. So the first time, [00:59:00] first thing that can happen, I don't know, I'm just, I'm just, I don't know that this is the order. But let's say the first thing that happens is, uh, uh, is the microvilli become disrupted and then they start to let go of the mucosal lining. And then then tissue is then, um, uh, exposed to things that are inside the stomach that get through the lining.

[00:59:23] And, and so these, these changes happen one after the other. And then obviously, uh, your diet. May preclude you to filling any empty spaces, uh, with bad bacteria. And especially when it comes to lactic acid, bacteria and probiotics. So everybody is pounding down probiotics. I was one of them.

[00:59:42] Remember me? Two packets of VSL number three a day. Hey, if, if 900 billion is good, then a, you know, 1.8 billion should be good. Uh, and so. What happens is, and actually one of the changes that happens in the stomach that I [01:00:00] think is the first change to happen. Is a drop in a hydrochloric acid production that then makes the environment of the stomach susceptible to lots of other bad things that will happen after it.

[01:00:14] And that's the first thing that happens. But once that happens, the the gate into the small intestine. Is gone cause cause microbes wouldn't survive the small intestine. I mean they, they wouldn't even make it into the small intestine. If the stomach was doing its job with high levels of hydrochloric acid, we would dish obliterating all these microbes.

[01:00:32] They wouldn't make it anywhere. Um. But what's happening is since we're consuming more and more of these lactic acid producing bacteria in our foods and supplements and kimchi and everything, you've got, Oh, you've got a fermented food every day. So you go from eating fermented food three times a year to every day.

[01:00:50] Uh, what ends up happening is these microbes start to. Take up residence in the small intestine where they normally wouldn't be able to [01:01:00] and they shouldn't be. So the LL three seven definitely changed my gut. I think what it did was it got rid of pathogens. Uh, I think that it understands LL three seven is a naturally occurring peptide made by the gut.

[01:01:15] Um. And really throughout the whole body, they find it in cornea tissue as well. Uh, but it's a, it's a, it's a, it's part of the antimicrobial defense system of the body. And because it is a, an innate human catalyst,  is the classification of this, this protein. Um, it knows. Lactic acid producing bacteria aren't harmful.

[01:01:38] They're not bad. They're there, they're friendly, they're friends. Okay. Granted, they're not supposed to be in your small intestine, but they don't know that that LL three seven isn't endowed with the blueprint that says yes, but only in the colon, not in the small intestine. So while LL free seven changed my gut and really did to where I could start [01:02:00] eating starches again without getting bloated, what it didn't do.

[01:02:04] Was it didn't get rid of the small intestinal bacterial overgrowth made from these lactic acid. These otherwise considered good microbes in my stomach. And I wanted to try the, uh, protocol laid out by dr Satish Rao to come back to that story. But even with my insurance, getting the antibiotics Xifaxan the PSI Faxon X, I.

[01:02:32] F a. S I. N. Even with the discount from my insurance company, it was $1,400 for a 42 day supply. I mean, that's, that's unheard of. And that was only two a day. Stay with me. Why is that? Because I've asked. It was created for something called Traveler's distress. You go to Mexico, you drink the water, you get Montezuma's revenge.

[01:02:57] They give you three, maybe four Xifaxan. [01:03:00] You take them for three days, four days in a row, and you are back to normal. You're all better cause it goes right to work in the small intestine and it gets rid of those things. Okay. So no one ever had to prescribe 50 of them. Hey, they were prescribing three or four your insurance company paid for, and that's fine.

[01:03:19] But now that they're finding out that this particular antibiotics, I Faxon actually can completely reverse small intestinal bacterial overgrowth over the course of about 50 days or 42 days, I think it's 42 days. Um, doctors are prescribing, you know, two and three times 42. And the insurance companies go, okay, you know, we'll pay some of it, but you know, 1400 1600 going to have to be the patient.

[01:03:46] I had one person say it was $2,200 for them to get it, and they desperately wanted to try it and I want them to try a two. Well. I had my doctor write me a prescription [01:04:00] for Safaxon and obviously, and then I found out about, uh, a Canadian pharmacy. And the Canadian pharmacy is actually called Mark's M a R K S Marine pharmacy.

[01:04:13] I'm going to give you two websites. Uh, I found out that I could buy Xifaxan through them. As long as I had a prescription. I faxed it and I actually scanned it and Oh, I snapped a picture of it and attach it to an email. That's what I did. I use my iPhone. I snapped a picture of it, sent it in, they approved it.

[01:04:31] They prescribed my Xifaxan. Now it took a week and a half to get to me. Right? Almost two weeks. And it's actually from the company that invented and created Sai Faxon, but it's their generic name for it. So it does it, but they tell you, this is, I fax and we call it this, and I got a three 550 milligram a day [01:05:00] for 42 days for $99.

[01:05:04] Without involving insurance, I didn't have to turn it in. Now, if you have a, an a, an HSA, you use that card to pay for it. And technically your insurance company is gonna pay for it. But at $99, it's worth it for anybody who wants to give it a try. So here are the contact, uh, information for marks, Marine pharmacy, and when you contact them, whether it's by email.

[01:05:28] Oh well message on the website or by the phone number I'm going to give you, you must mention that you heard this on superhuman radio cause I promised him I would do this and that not because they gave me any special discount, but because. This is a game changer, and we're going to talk about how my gut feels since I used it.

[01:05:46] Uh, Mark Marine pharmacy, uh, their, uh, URL that they promote is, can ship meds.com N S H, I, P M E D s.com. Their phone number is eight, seven, [01:06:00] seven, eight, eight, eight, nine two, six, five. If you get your doctor to write you a prescription for Xifaxan because you, and he believed that you suffer from small intestinal bacterial overgrowth and that you'd benefit from it.

[01:06:13] And doctors know about Safaxon they know about this, but they don't prescribe it because they figure who's going to fill the prescription for $1,500 1700 no one's going to do it, and they'll want to give you some cheaper antibiotic that effects you systemically and say to you, well, it's going to do the same thing.

[01:06:29] No, it doesn't do the same thing. Because I've used other antibiotics and it, it, this particular one never gets into you systemically. You don't have to worry about any kind of antibiotic biotic resistant issues. So I did a 42 day run, three a day, 550 milligrams three times a day. And. I was waking up with, I was waking up feeling crappy in the morning, I would call it brain fog, and that that went away.

[01:06:58] That was all correct. What they [01:07:00] found in the study was absolutely correct, but also my gut started to feel different. Uh, foods that I used to eat that used to bother me, stopped bothering me completely. I'm going beyond grains now. Okay. And. Now, what I notice is I no longer belch up food after eating it at all, but I have noticed that flatulence has increased.

[01:07:26] Now, I don't know that flatulence is increased, or I didn't notice it before because all that stuff was being digested in the small intestine and I was burping up the gasses there. Now it's being digested where it belongs in the colon, and I'm, I'm, I'm a foreign war. And I really think it's the latter.

[01:07:45] But if you know you have small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, if you're positive, you have cebo, your doctor has told you, or you look at all the literature and you read and you listed a podcast. Oh God, I got CBO, I want to get rid of it. [01:08:00] And you even tried LL three seven and you said, you know.

[01:08:04] My gut feels a little bit better, but it's just not, it's not back to where I want it to be. You must give Xifaxan a try. Contact your doctor, tell your doctor, look, I know I have cebo and uh, I want to try Safaxon it's a lot of doctors will only prescribe two a day for 42 days because they're worried about the cost.

[01:08:25] Tell them you want three a day for 42 days. Cause that's the right, that's what the protocol they used in this study. And. Take that prescription, get in touch with Mark's Marine pharmacy in Canada. Go to the website, can CIN ship, S, H I, P meds med s.com place your order. They will contact you and they will ask you to then send them the prescription to which you can snap a shot of it with your iPhone and email it right back as an attachment and they will fill your prescription for [01:09:00] $99.

[01:09:01] Not 1700 not $2,299 so this puts a very well known and recognized solution to CBO, but out of the reach of most people, because of the absolute cost. In your reach so that you can try it. And so I hope that helps a lot of you out there suffering from CBO who are always looking for solutions. And again, you'll run this, you will see that your gut feels different, feels better, less distended.

[01:09:33] You're not gassy and are burping all the time. Your heartburn goes away. You'll see those changes, but you still may not be 100% yet because now you have to address the next layer of the problem. Gut problems are multifactorial. They are layered in. They occur in stages, so you have to heal them in stages.

[01:09:53] And one of those stages should be raising the level and production of hydrochloric acid in the stomach. [01:10:00] Even if you have to start out by taking hydrochloric acid capsules two first, because there are microbes in your stomach, you know, one of them that was a, one of them that was, um, described in the literature.

[01:10:13] Tried to give the name of it right now, and there's a couple of them. There's a couple of pathogens that when once they start to inhabit the small intestine, they actually inhibit proton pumps producing hydrochloric acid. So they actually make the environment better for them to live in. Once they're there, they actually excrete neurotransmitters that tell the proton pumps in your stomach, stop making hydrochloric acid.

[01:10:39] And, and a lot of people believe this is part of aging. I don't believe it's part of aging, cause it doesn't have to every body. But once the hydrochloric acid starts to drop, the pH actually starts to rise. The bar, the gut becomes more neutral. Uh, then the, uh, these microbes actually [01:11:00] proliferate and, and start to grow more.

[01:11:02] So why? Well, first thing they do is they, they, they set the terrain and then they increase the population. And so one of the therapies for your gut may be raising, uh, the, uh, acidity level, lowering the pH. For months at a time until all of those things are obliterated. I, that's it for today.

[01:11:21] Tomorrow's Tuesday. We have the blueprint power hour. We have a great, um, a great, uh, renew life RX show this week, uh, talking about coming into the new year and doing the things that you should be doing now, getting ready for the new year, kind of planting the seeds, fertilizing the soil, doing all the hard work now before the.

[01:11:42] The clock turns. Um, so we'll be doing that this week. We've got lots of good shows this week, so hopefully you can tune in live. If not, you always know that there's a podcast. Please share our show, uh, help the show grow, help us reach more people, uh, and help more people. And we'll see you tomorrow with more super human radio.

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