Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] [00:00:00] it's Monday. I forget to do things. Hey, welcome back. It's another episode of super human radio. Today is, uh, December 9th, 2019. For those of you listening to the show a hundred years from now and realizing that this audience knew a lot more than the general population out there. We have an interesting discussion today. Uh, you know what, I'm going to bring my guest on for this because I'm sure that he's going to have some laughs when I say this. How are you doing? This is J O hair from Vanga endurance. How are you doing Jay?

[00:00:34] Jay O'Hare: [00:00:34] Hey, Kyle. I'm doing great. Thanks so much for having me on.

[00:00:36] Carl Lanore: [00:00:36] Yeah, so, um, I, I kid you not, I mean, I see signs today for CBD in places I would never expect to see. Right? I mean, you know, I was not kidding around about, uh, a cake sale that I went to. Um, everybody at the farmer's market, [00:01:00] everybody, every single vendor at the farmer's market has CBD.

[00:01:04] Jay O'Hare: [00:01:04] Sure.

[00:01:06] Carl Lanore: [00:01:06] It has popped up. I, I would, I would imagine that historically a CBD has to be one of the most successful categories of new product that we've, we've ever seen in any of the time that people are paying attention to. Uh, the marching parade of consumption. Would you agree with that?

[00:01:27] Jay O'Hare: [00:01:27] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's pretty astonishing. It's pretty astonishing that, you know, you think about just three or four years ago, nobody even knew what CBD was and all the rage was, you know, uh, how is marijuana going to be legalized? And here is this just absolutely phenomenal compound that's sort of been this dark horse. And, uh, when I got into the business several years ago, um, and started looking at the, at, at what can happen, it just makes so much sense to me that CBD was really the place to be. But, uh, obviously a lot of other people have thought that too. Um, but I think we're going to have [00:02:00] an opportunity to debunk some, um, some things out

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[00:02:03] Carl Lanore: [00:02:03] and distinguish one of the missing pieces, quite frankly, especially for my audience, one of the missing periods. Um, so. Everybody agrees that CBD is good for things as like an analgesic. Um, sleep aid, uh, take the edge off. Uh, anxie lytic. Um, and people have tried to find ways to use it in sports performance and endurance especially, but nobody really like people using it, but they don't keep using it because they're not really convinced to today. But you guys over there at Vanga. Endurance you, you really have figured out how to use it, uh, to improve endurance. And when we talk about endurance, I don't want people to go, Oh, and it's like every aspect of strength and conditioning relies on endurance. Endurance is this the underpinnings of everything you build from there. So [00:03:00] you are a lifelong, ultra marathoner, iron man, warrior. I mean, you, you, you've been doing that stuff for your whole life right? Right?

[00:03:09] Jay O'Hare: [00:03:09] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I started getting into triathlons in college and you know, ultras are my thing now, trail running. And so it's just been this continuum and you know, as we go through this and we begin to age and, you know, things don't bounce back quite as quickly. Um, you know, we look for ways in which we can stay in the game. And you know, I think the other piece too is that, um, endurance athletes or athletes in general, they typically put themselves but their bodies through more than what their bodies can handle. And it becomes a question of like, how do we bounce back? How do we recover from injury? You always say that injuries are big. Uh, our, our big area for us, because I would say with almost any athletic endeavor, like injury is just part and parcel with it. Like it's going to happen sooner or later. And, um, and so looking for ways that are all natural, plant-based ways that can manage [00:04:00] and help with injury and recovery is, is, is really what we're all about. And, you know, to your point, Carl, you're seeing CBD and everything. I mean, it's. There's CBD nail Polish, there's CBD shampoo, there's like, we even saw like a pillow. That's how it's infused with CBD. And it's kind of crazy. Um, and, and the unfortunate part is, is that then it confuses people. People get confused as to, okay. Is this all just smoke and mirrors? Uh, what do I really use? And so we've tried to really simplify things down for the athlete and basically just have a very, very simple approach to taking CBD. This turned out to be extremely effective for athletes.

[00:04:40] Carl Lanore: [00:04:40] So, um, from an evolutionary perspective, these would have been available to us. Everybody knows that. I love to look at things from an evolutionary perspective. I like to point out that. We have an endocannabinoid system.

[00:04:54] Jay O'Hare: [00:04:54] Yup.

[00:04:55] Carl Lanore: [00:04:55] Uh, and we have cannabinoid receptors because throughout [00:05:00] evolution we were exposed to cannabinoids and they imprinted us just the way we got imprinted with a mitochondria from some sort of virus that we got. And so when you look at alcohol. And when you look at CBD, and you know, and I say alcohol only because that a lot of people look at THC and CBD, and then that. When we don't have an ethanol receptor, people drink because as the word implies, intoxicate it's toxic to the brain, to the GABA receptors. That's why you get intoxicated. But we actually have an endocannabinoid system with cannabinoid receptors, which means that cannot, we came, we probably ate it, but we came in contact with these things and if we were eating them, if this was hemp and we were eating it. I have to admit a funny story. I'll save it to the end of the show. Remind me to tell the show about New Jersey at the end of the show. [00:06:00] So, you know, we, we were eating this stuff most likely. So we were experiencing the benefits of it and it was natural to us, and now it's back. That's what I really feel about it. Yeah, and

[00:06:14] Jay O'Hare: [00:06:14] I think, I think it's important that your audience, it might be some members that don't know what can happen. When we talk about cannabinoids, that that is the components, the, the active ingredient, if you will, that we're talking about. That comes from, in this case, the hemp plant. And so a CBD is short for cannabidiol. And so that's a, that's a cannabinoid. So yes, you're right. We have an endocannabinoid system, meaning this in our body. And CBD is a phytocannabinoid. The Fido piece mean that it comes from a plant. And so, uh, to your point, yes, we have an endocannabinoid system. We don't have an opioid system. We don't have an ibuprofen system, right? We have to work an Ave system. And this system in our body is there to help regulate and bring things back into [00:07:00] balance. And so when, uh, our bodies experienced trauma such as over-training or an injury. You have the immune system kicks into gear and puts a lot of inflammation in an area wherever that, wherever that trauma occurs. And so, uh, you're right, our body already creates these cannabinoids. It just doesn't create enough of them. Right? And so now that we have the ability to extract CBD and concentrate it in such a way that we can really give our endocannabinoid system a boost, it then can help bring the body back into balance so it can help tamp down inflammation. It can help with things like the production of adenosine in the brain to help with sleep and, and anxiety, those kinds of things. So, um, it really, we really have this, uh, this, this phenomenal compound. And unfortunately, there's a lot of people that can get access to it, and they start labeling it and putting it on every . They did, they possibly [00:08:00] can, including kids bake sales.

[00:08:01] Carl Lanore: [00:08:01] Right. So

[00:08:03] Jay O'Hare: [00:08:03] we, but we want to talk about like how this can help athletes perform better. Yes. And by extension, if it can help athletes perform better and athletes can benefit from this bullpen, so can everybody

[00:08:15] Carl Lanore: [00:08:15] else, yeah, I would agree. Because athletes are regular people, but better, you know what I mean? So if you're a regular person that you're going to experience the same benefits. Uh, okay. So. I come to start to think that timing of use is important from an evolutionary perspective. You know, I, I look at everything through evolutionary eyes because you're gonna take the past 40,000 years and say, this is who we are. When, when these 2.5 million years, we were somebody completely different. You know, the absurdity that, that we are trying to do that is, it's funny, but, so what about timing? Do you find taking it, uh, [00:09:00] at certain times of the day or even times before certain events is the best way to use it? Well.

[00:09:06] Jay O'Hare: [00:09:06] Um, what we find is that. In order for CBD to be successful, that taking it consistently is that this isn't like taking, um, ibuprofen where like, you've got an issue and you're gonna, you're gonna take something for that particular issue. Or, uh, you know, you have a race coming up and, uh, starting, you know, in a couple of hours, you can take some seedy CBD before that. It certainly can. So like for example, we do have. A product that you take during an event, like during a long training or during an event, it helps keep inflammation down. So it's really getting ahead of the game. And a lot of his car was gonna depend upon the persons that their, their current health of their endocannabinoid system. So if their endocannabinoid system is a little bit deficient, it's going to take them a little while to, to, to, to ramp things up. [00:10:00] Um. But being consistent with it is, is really important. And, uh, and we'll get into water solubility here in a minute, but, you know, if you're taking a product like ours, you want to take it on an empty stomach because it is water soluble is going to be absorbed much more quickly. So we'll get, we can get into that someday.

[00:10:17] Carl Lanore: [00:10:17] Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah. You know, that makes perfect sense. I'm thinking about it while you're saying it, right. So, um. When they put you on any type of hormone, whether it be testosterone or estrogen, there is a period of time at the introduction of the exogenous hormones for receptive biogenesis to take place. Yeah. So when, when, when, when, you know when an athlete is using two grams of testosterone a week. The density of receptors on tissue goes through the roof. If you have all this Testa, but that process, there's a ramping up period. If you don't [00:11:00] have receptors to take advantage of this molecule, then you don't feel the imparting of the desired feeling or outcome. So make perfect sense. Because I have a doctor friend in Bloomington, Indiana, who. Gives patients CBD as part of his hormone replacement protocol because he says we are deficient in CBD the same way you're deficient in estrogen and progesterone,

[00:11:31] Jay O'Hare: [00:11:31] right? Yeah. Yeah. And so, so a lot of times, so what we see over and over again is two things happen. One, people start taking CBD and they don't take enough of it. They're a little bit timid at first. They'd never taken this before. They're not sure what's going to happen. Oftentimes they get it with the droppers and they do that cause they don't take enough of it. That's the first thing that we see. And the second is like they're expecting some kind of like, Oh my gosh, like things are going to change immediately.

[00:11:58] Carl Lanore: [00:11:58] Like LS heck, LSD. [00:12:00] You know, like, Oh man.

[00:12:04] Jay O'Hare: [00:12:04] Yeah. That's not to say there are some people that have, you know, very, that if they've got a endocannabinoid system that's in great health, they might, they might feel better immediately, but most people is going to take a week, maybe two weeks for them to really start getting the benefits of CGM.

[00:12:20] Carl Lanore: [00:12:20] They give up too soon. They take it three or four days in a row and they go, this stuff isn't working. They just stopped. Yes,

[00:12:26] Jay O'Hare: [00:12:26] yes. And that's where, uh, and that's where like, we have a topical that is phenomenal for muscle strains, sore backs, you know, those types of things where you're really experiencing pain. And when people put that on and they're like, within five minutes, they're like, Oh my God, my pain is either gone or severely reduced. They're like, okay, I'm a believer. And then those people that typically start off with the topical, they begin to believe a little bit more and have an understanding and give it to have a little more patience with the, with the CBD. Um. Well, we're seeing with ours, and again, we'll talk more about the water solubility in [00:13:00] a minute, is that you're going to get so much more actually in your bloodstream to have an effect that people are actually seeing results sooner than with a typical product. But you've got to give us some time. You got to take enough of it, and you got to give us some time. And the big question that we get asked is the number one question is, how much do I take? And we can talk about that a little bit because it, because it just, it just depends on a number of factors.

[00:13:21] Carl Lanore: [00:13:21] Okay. And what we will, I want to, I was hunting in November. My audience knows I was upstate New York at 18 degrees and we hunted a mountain. So I literally walked a quarter mile up and down this mountain twice a day, which kicked my old ass. I forgot I, last time I hunted this property, I was probably 22 years old. Okay. And I was like, man, I used to run up and down this mountain and now. I was having a hard time being stable, going up and down, and I was worried about falling down and breaking my neck on a jutting piece of slate that was coming out of the, [00:14:00] out of the earth. So a good friend of mine that I've known since high school, Joey, he was up there and uh, and he was complaining and he's got the shoulder problem. He's actually going to go in for rotator cuff. Surgery or labor, I forget what it was, you know, uh, he couldn't lift his arm. He couldn't lift his arm. And I had the Vanga tab, uh, capsules, the little caplets and the, and the, and the topical. So I said, see, see if this does anything for you. He rubbed it on his shoulder. He said about maybe 25 30 minutes later, he was completely pain free in his shoulder, and he's moving his arm around and he's going like this. So I said, we'll take the caps to take the the caplets too. I says, you know, take, see what the bottle says, and take those two. By the end of the trip, he, I'm sure he could come to your website by now, or maybe his wife has. But he was like, I can't believe it. He goes, I don't have any pain in my shoulder. He couldn't even lift his rifle when I first got there. I mean, he could lift it, but if it was a [00:15:00] painful thing for him to lift his left arm out, and so it worked right away for him. It works.

[00:15:06] Jay O'Hare: [00:15:06] It's, it's astonishing. And especially when we realize that really, you know, what are the number one sources of pain in our bodies is inflammation. And if we can take care of the inflammation. It can solve so many other other issues for us. And that's where CBD plays a major role in the body, is in tamping down inflammation. And so I love hearing that story and it's, it's very, very congruent with what we hear from many, many other people and athletes and customers that we have. So that's awesome. I'm glad he was able to,

[00:15:36] Carl Lanore: [00:15:36] I, I wanna I want to put this comment up cause I want to actually talk about this. This is, this is actually a good, Bobby Cooper is watching live and he says, Joanne and I both use CBD via vaping. He says. Sure. 300 milligrams was okay. 1200 milligrams was nearly instant pain relief after I had fallen and busted my tailbone and they both worked very hard. I know. You know these two people very well. I'm not a [00:16:00] fan of vaping of any, I've, I, but I'm not a fan of vaping. Anything like I see ads on Facebook, people are vaping, vitamin B12. I'm thinking, how stupid do you have to be. Like your lungs were never designed to suck anything in but air and introduce it and look, I smoked a lot of pot and you know, when I was a kid, so don't get me wrong. You know what I mean? But it's like, it's not good. I, if I would always use an alternative delivery method over sucking anything into my lungs when they came out with. Inhalant, uh, insulin. I thought this is a horrible idea for people. It's gone now because all the damage it did to people's lungs. I wouldn't vape anything personally. I wouldn't.

[00:16:43] Jay O'Hare: [00:16:43] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it certainly is, um, a delivery method that produces a very high bioavailability. For sure. So, um, I mean that would probably be, other than injecting it,

[00:16:56] Carl Lanore: [00:16:56] am I am. I did. I just heard a future product. Are you thinking of [00:17:00] introducing a vapor vape juice so people can load it into their vaping pens?

[00:17:05] Jay O'Hare: [00:17:05] We just, we've, we've looked at it, we've looked at a number of, a

[00:17:08] Carl Lanore: [00:17:08] lot of people, a lot of people do it.

[00:17:11] Jay O'Hare: [00:17:11] I, I, they do. But I just, we just have found that athletes, and we talk to athletes like they're not interested in vaping. Some are, but not enough for us to make it, uh, products. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I mean, I call the thing is like, we only have three products. Like that's it. We have three products. We have one for training, one for racing, and one for recovery. That's it. Like, we're trying to make this super, super simple for athletes, so they understand. Why they're taking something, how it fits in the regimen, and we're not trying to complicate things and, and, and bringing a lot of confusion. So, um, vaping is certainly out there and if people are doing it and they're getting great results from it, awesome. Um, it's just not something that we're, that we're into right now.

[00:17:50] Carl Lanore: [00:17:50] Yeah, I want to take a quick commercial break. When we come back, I want to talk about a water soluble to get more into dosing and all that sort of stuff. We're talking right now with Jay [00:18:00] O'Hare. He is the founder of vague Vanga endurance. And as you hear, they have a CBD product that I've used, and then I gave it to my buddy Joey, and I know it w it made his hunting trip completely enjoyable.

[00:18:13] Jay O'Hare: [00:18:13] Uh,

[00:18:14] Carl Lanore: [00:18:14] his, his exact words. So I, let's do this. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll be right back with more superhuman radio. Stay tuned. Welcome back. We're talking with JL Hare Vanga endurance.com we have a special 10% off if we use the coupon code SHR one zero SHR 10. Or you can go to Vegas and do endurance, you can go to Vanga CBD. You can go to super human radio.net and click, uh, the, uh, Vanga banner ads to get there. And also, when you first get to the website, you'll see a pop up. Don't dismiss it. It's an actual ebook. It tells you how specifically to use, and we're going to get into some of the details and you can get the ebook later to get some more information. Uh, but we're gonna get into some of [00:19:00] the details of dosing and, and, uh, and so on. And what, what before we get into those details, let's go ahead and set the stage of why this product works so much better than 90% of the stuff out there.

[00:19:12] Jay O'Hare: [00:19:12] Yeah. So really when, when, especially anybody, but especially athletes, when they look to, uh, to take CBD. Probably the number one question they should be asking is how much of this actually gets in my bloodstream to make a difference. So, um, just because we take something orally, that doesn't mean that it's all getting in our bloodstream because the way it's metabolized in, uh, in our gut, the way our liver breaks things down, all of that plays a role. And so the term we use is called bio availability. How much is available in our body so that it can actually have an effect. And. So I like to use this. This little example here, this is a CBD, is an oil CBD oil, and our bodies are 60 plus percent water, [00:20:00] and as we all know, oil and water don't mix very well. So what we've done is we've taken a typical CBD product and put it in water just for demonstration purposes and call. You might be able to see there that there's a CBD kind of floating around. So he's coming, greenish is floating around in there and it's not, it's not mixing with the water at all, it's just, it's just kind of. Bloating. They're just like as we would expect an oil to do. Right? And so the problem with this is, is that CBD and this form and most CBD out there is in this form, only has about a 10% bioavailability. That means that you're only getting about 10% actually in your bloodstream to make a difference. So you're, you're, you're excluding 90% of what you're paying for. It doesn't get in your bloodstream to help you. So what we've done is. We use a nanotechnology process. This is a Venga product, and basically, let me just, let me set the table a little bit. We basically took just one of the soft gels of a typical [00:21:00] product and put it in water and let it dissolve, and that's what you get. And then we took one of the Venga soft gels and put it in water. And you can see that it's completely dissolved, like this completely dissolved in the water and we use it, you know? Yeah. We use a standard emulsion technology that basically makes us water-soluble. It's down to the 25 nanometers size. And so what happens is you get about 85 to 90% bioavailability, so you're getting 85% of the stuff actually in your bloodstream to make a difference. So you've got 10% with typical stuff. And 85% this is a, this is a big deal, especially for athletes who are saying, you know, really paying attention to their bodies, really paying attention to their recovery and how things are working for them. And, you know, uh, being a runner myself, like me, we understand. We're very attuned to our bodies when things are working. We know when something has changed for good and bad. And so this way, you know that when you're taking something on a consistent basis, that [00:22:00] you're really getting the maximum amount in your bloodstream to make a difference. And I think that's the one thing that's unfortunate about a lot of the stuff that we see with CBD out there is that one, um, they're not putting enough in there and to, uh, you know, the concentration not high enough. And two, it does. It has very poor bioavailability. So those two things, uh, you know, contribute to. Sort of this, we'll see that he's not doing anything for me, but if we can, if we can work on the bioavailability and make sure that we're getting the maximum amount in our bloodstream that we possibly can, then we're able to begin to assess how much to take, how things are going in our body, how this is working, and how and how we're responding.

[00:22:42] Carl Lanore: [00:22:42] You know? Now again, I'm sorry, but you know, one track mind from an evolutionary perspective, this makes perfect sense. You see why right.

[00:22:51] Jay O'Hare: [00:22:51] Yeah. I think so. Yeah. I mean, think about it.

[00:22:53] Carl Lanore: [00:22:53] So if we would have been eating hemp, like salad, it would have had water. It would have [00:23:00] fiber, but mostly it would have had water, wouldn't, you wouldn't have received, we wouldn't have had a concentrated CO2, you know,  product, uh, oil only we would be eating the leaf. So that means that there was, it was, it was already commingled with water.

[00:23:17] Jay O'Hare: [00:23:17] Right, right. And I think, I mean, that's another, that's you bring up another point too. And that is that, um. What we want to do is we want to have a, a whole plant remedy, a whole plant CBD as opposed to a CBD isolate. So a lot of times what we'll see out there, isolate is, uh, can be, can be much easier to process, much easier to put into food and different things like that. But the problem is that a CBD isolate means that they have isolated the all by itself. And CBD works better in the body with all the other associated cannabinoids and terpenes that come from the hemp plant. And so [00:24:00] ours is a whole plant.

[00:24:02] Carl Lanore: [00:24:02] However, I'm full spectrum. No, T

[00:24:05] Jay O'Hare: [00:24:05] is I, I've gotta, I've gotta be, you know, to be precise on this. I would call this broad spectrum only because. We do use a liquid chromatography process to take out the THC,

[00:24:17] Carl Lanore: [00:24:17] right?

[00:24:17] Jay O'Hare: [00:24:17] Because all the professional athletes that are going to be tested, we wanted a THC free product. So it does not have any, so our products don't have any THC. Um, and we use, like I say, liquid chromatography just to pull out just the THC, but leave everything else in. So this is, this is full of all the other cannabinoids and terpenes and things like that, but it's without the THC so that pro athletes can take it or those that might be tested in terms of a job or something on that end where we're, where they have a concern about having THC in their body. A typical products, a typical product. We'll have trace amounts of TAC. And depending on how much you take of this typical products, you could have enough THC in your system to fail [00:25:00] a drug test. We've seen it happen, right? And so most companies, when you go to them and you say, you ask them, Hey, if I, if I'm drug tested, will I fail a drug test? They will tell you, you know, we can't guarantee, we can't guarantee that you're going to pass that, but you know, you should be okay. Well, for most people, like that's not good enough. And in ours, you know, is completely THC free. Um, so you're not gonna fail a drug test if they're testing for THC. Um, and then we also have, I think it's another important. Point for your audience too, to know is that being able to look at the lab reports that companies that are very transparent, the poster lab reports, so people can go in and see exactly what an independent third party lab has said about their particular batch of CBD. So, for example, all of ours have a lot number on the bottom of the container and they can go to our website and they can look up that lot number and they can see the act report for that, for that batch.

[00:26:00] [00:26:00] Carl Lanore: [00:26:00] More and more companies are doing this, and I commend you. This is very, very forward leaning. I think it's wonderful. A couple of good services out there that are offering this to supplement, uh, uh, manufacturers as well as, uh, resalers and, and. It's fantastic because now you have a third part, because label claims have become this murky world over the past seven or eight years, you know, between between protein powders, not having what they were supposed to be in them, and supplements not having low, having things in them that they weren't supposed to have. And so I love this, that more and more companies are getting on board with that. I really don't.

[00:26:37] Jay O'Hare: [00:26:37] Yeah, no, it's, it's important and it's a, it's a step in the right direction. And again, it's one that, you know, if you're an athlete, like you want to know, and I think one of the things that people need to understand, it's a little bit different with them. Then other things out there as it hemp is what's called a bio accumulator. So hemp, uh, tends to suck up everything in the soil. Um, and [00:27:00] so it's used in places like chemical spills and different things like that.

[00:27:03] Carl Lanore: [00:27:03] They used it, they used it, they used it to clean up. Uh, the, the, the thing, Jeff Japan, yeah. I mean, they use it regularly in places like Vietnam to clean sewage out of standing water.

[00:27:18] Jay O'Hare: [00:27:18] Yeah, that's so, so in that sense, it's important to take a look at the, uh, at the lab reports to see if there are any

[00:27:26] Carl Lanore: [00:27:26] toxic chemicals,

[00:27:27] Jay O'Hare: [00:27:27] metal, those kinds of things in it. Um, because if you are getting a product that is, that is, that is from hemp, this produced in China for example, you know, who knows where that hemp is being is being grown. So, you know what, we're very pro, you know. Growing on him and having it in Colorado, being, uh, having, being transparent with our lab reports so that our athletes really have an understanding of what they're getting.

[00:27:52] Carl Lanore: [00:27:52] Yeah. No, it's great. So now, let's see. So let's talk about this. So, so you can take an athlete can take you a product prior [00:28:00] to two athletic performance because it doesn't have any THC. They don't have to worry about, cause I hear a lot of people, I say, why? Why don't you use your. CBD before you work out. I kind of takes the edge off. Makes me a little like, not tired, but it's had, I hear them say that all the time. Kind of takes the edge off. That's gotta be the THC, right.

[00:28:18] Jay O'Hare: [00:28:18] Could be, it could be for sure. I mean, um, and I would say the only thing, the only thing about that is that, um, CBD. Acts as, as a, as a counterweight to THC in the body. So if you're taking kind of both at the same time, they're going to kind of cancel each other out. And, um, yeah. And so, and the amount of THC is going to be in that, again, it just depends. I mean, we've got, I mean, we see products out there that say you have 5,000 milligrams of CBD, um, in a, in a, in a two ounce bottle, and that's a lot less super high concentrate. It's, you're going to have a higher concentration. Of THC in that. It, you know, and the other, the other piece [00:29:00] too is like how are things manufactured? What kind of processes they using? Because every crop is going to be different. Every batch of CBD concentrate that comes in is going to have varying levels. And so how do they make sure that they even that out so that they can have a consistent product from batch to batch to batch to batch. And that's one thing that we do and work very closely with our manufacturer to make sure that we have that consistency.

[00:29:24] Carl Lanore: [00:29:24] So how exactly do you. See people using a Vanga CBD for performance. If you're a runner or you're a cyclist, how do I use

[00:29:36] Jay O'Hare: [00:29:36] your? Sure. So a couple of things. One is they start taking it and are very consistent with taking it on a daily basis. That's just sort of this baseline. All right? Then what we recommend is, um, depending on what your goal is and what it is that you're wanting to treat most. I would say most of the cases that we see is that people are trying to do, people are using [00:30:00] CBD to help in their recovery. So that they can continue their back to back to back, uh, workouts. So if you're a runner, for example, and you've got a trading block where you know that you're going to be putting in some big miles this week and really ramping things up, you know that like by day three and day four, it's like, it's getting hard to get out of bed. It's getting hard to get back. Like it's hard. And so, so then what we recommend is, is that they bulk up their CBD. And because. Ours comes only in soft gel format. It's very precise. So this is a 25 milligram dose of CBD. So that way an athlete can say, okay, my baseline is 25 milligrams a day, and I know I'm getting 85 to 90% bioavailability because it's water soluble. So great. So I've got a, I've got a 2021 2223 milligrams in my system as a baseline, and now I've now, as I am upping my mileage, I'm going to start taking. One in the morning, one in the [00:31:00] evening, and maybe, maybe even three times a day, two or three times a day, as the, as the intensity increases. Um, so we see that that happens. The second place where we see this is, uh, when athletes do like some sort of competition, they've done some sort of race. Maybe it's a, maybe it's an ultra. At 50 K 50 mile, a hundred mile, and they want to recover afterwards. So one of the things that's like, you know, almost, it could be almost the most painful part of an ultra is like the day after we're just worn out.

[00:31:30] Carl Lanore: [00:31:30] So keep taking it another word. Yeah, right.

[00:31:32] Jay O'Hare: [00:31:32] You digging it and bump it up. Yeah. So that's the second place. And then the third is that when we see injury, so for example, uh, we have, uh, uh, a pro athlete. She's a obstacle course racing athlete, Heather Goldman, and she's absolutely phenomenal. She just won this past weekend. She's just a phenomenal Spartan Spartan pro. She broke her ankle, uh, in a race. And she doubled, tripled, quadrupled up on taking the CBD to [00:32:00] help with the recovery of her ankle. She went in to see your doctor three weeks after the injury and treatment, and the doctor was astonished at that. There was this no inflammation around that area, and so then now that area was able to get it right. Yeah, all of the other, um, uh, components in there to help it heal. And she healed super fast. And that was back in late August, and she just podium this past weekend after having a broken ankle. Wow. So, yeah. Yeah. So we're seeing it again. We're seeing it with training. As your training goes up, you can bump up CBD to help with recovery, and then we're seeing it a lot of times with injury as

[00:32:35] Carl Lanore: [00:32:35] well. So if I train in the morning, in other words, so do you take it first thing in the morning if you're taking it once a day.

[00:32:44] Jay O'Hare: [00:32:44] First thing in the morning on an empty stomach, because ours is water soluble, it's going to work better on an empty stomach. Right? So if we're seeing big glass of water, CBD, get that done. Like that's, that's it then. Um, yeah. And then when it's, you know, training time and there's maybe some [00:33:00] training blocks or I've had to put in a hard week, um, you know, certainly we'll bump it up. Uh, there, you know, we've got, um, one of our other athletes is Leslie Patterson. She is a three time Xterra. We'll champion. Um, she was just competing out in Hawaii and she got second overall, uh, just absolutely phenomenal athlete. And so, you know, she was doing the same thing because again, because this is, this is 25 milligrams is very precise as opposed to like the drops. Like we looked at the droppers and I've taken that before. Um, the, the problem is, is that it's not very precise. No, you're, you're, you're, you're building up a drop there and you're kind of eyeballing it and you're kind of wondering how much did I get and all that kind of thing. This, you just take it and go,

[00:33:42] Carl Lanore: [00:33:42] right. Right. You don't have to have it under your tongue. Hold onto your tongue and hold, hold your breath for five seconds. None of that. Right. I love the idea of the, uh, of the gels. I really do. I think it's smart. I think, I think [00:34:00] it also shows a progressive. A progressiveness of the industry to start to want to make better quality products because everybody knows in the supplement business, the cheapest things to make the most profitable are either raw powders or raw material, raw, raw liquids, which, which, you know, I'll just put it in a drop or put a dropper and hop on it. You know, that's it. Send it out the door, because, because it's really not, it's not that expensive. We're not paying a lot of money for it. Now all of a sudden you step up as the equality of the. The product increases. Now all of a sudden, the handling and the packaging, that becomes more serious. So we're getting away from that and we're moving to, I see there are other companies now starting to use caplets for CBD. I commend the industry for its progression.

[00:34:43] Jay O'Hare: [00:34:43] Yeah. And you know, we actually, we actually went one step further and part of the reason why this is yellow is because we went waste up further and put in water soluble curcumin, which comes from the tumor group. So that's a, that's another anti-inflammatory. A lot of people take tumeric. Um, and what [00:35:00] they're really wanting to get is the component curcumin from the tumeric root to help them at times. Yeah.

[00:35:06] Carl Lanore: [00:35:06] It's interesting because Kirkham Lloyds are really where the magic is. Uh, yeah. And, um. So much so that standardizing these Kirkham voids, uh, there's actually, uh, some, some real big effort for companies like yours who are using these, uh, concentrated, uh, uh, Kirkham Lloyd only. They're seeing so much better results than tumeric. Tumeric, you're getting so much other stuff you don't really even need.

[00:35:30] Jay O'Hare: [00:35:30] Yup. Exactly. Exactly.

[00:35:32] Carl Lanore: [00:35:32] So take, so take it first thing in the morning. So my audience right by it. Take it every morning for two weeks and then assess how you feel.

[00:35:44] Jay O'Hare: [00:35:44] Yeah, yeah. You know, it's funny because. I got into this business about two years ago and I got into it about this time of year. And, um, uh, and I was not taking CBD. I was running and that, but I, but I was, I was called in to be a chief operations officer of a [00:36:00] small CV manufacturing company. And I was like, well, if I'm going to go to work for a company out of, at least be like taking the product and kind of see and see what's going on. So I had no reason to take CBD. Okay. And again, it was like around the beginning of December. And what I noticed was as the holidays approached, I noticed that like. Oh my God. Like I am like really calm, you know, holidays can be kind of a crazy time, right? There's all kinds of, you know, commitments and family and all kinds of things like that. And what I noticed was like, I was super calm. Like, uh, I was like, this is, this was kind of astonishing to me. And so ran through the holidays and then, you know, after the holidays, it's the stress of like, you know, the Amex bill looks a little thicker and you know, you've got a lot of, a lot of credit card bills to pay on the holidays or whatever. And I noticed, I was just like. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's great. Just deal with it. And so I noticed this profound, just, um, it's not, it's not blunting like a, uh, like a, like an antidepressant. It wasn't, it's [00:37:00] not that, it's just things are just more balanced, you know, there's not these sort of spikes of anxiety or things like that. Things have just felt a lot more balanced. And I think that's important from a, from an athlete's perspective, whether it's endurance or whatever kind of athletics that you're doing. Because. At some level, you know, you've got the physical thing down and it really becomes a mental game. Yes.

[00:37:21] Carl Lanore: [00:37:21] And that and that and that way, what you are talking about, that balance, that yin and yang, that, uh, physical cohesion.  is where that is, where the zone is. You know, we hit, we, we, we, we've done shows over the years, you know, becoming Superman and all these where we talk about how people kind of get into flow state. Well, that's where a flow state occurs when you have that, that balance going on.

[00:37:49] Jay O'Hare: [00:37:49] Yeah. Yeah. And so whether you're doing, you know, an endurance event that may be taking you 1224 hours, or you're doing some other type of endeavor. Chances [00:38:00] are something's gonna go wrong somewhere. You know, the weather cooperate, your equipment's not going to cooperate. Your stomach's not going to cooperate like something is going to happen and the calmer we can be in terms of being able to work out way through that problem. Uh, the less energy we're going to spend, uh, the more we're going to be able to solve the problem in a way that's going to be able to benefit us. So if CBD can help on the mental side of things, which, which, which it has and is helping people, um, boy, that's just a, just an awesome benefit as well.

[00:38:30] Carl Lanore: [00:38:30] You know, it's funny cause that's what my buddy up in, uh, in Bloomington, the doctor up there says that, uh, what he sees is that somehow it boated attenuates and modulates the. Central and peripheral nervous system. And so you don't get too overexcited, you don't get lethargic. He says, it just has this, uh, this balancing effect. And, and that would speak to a lot of the things you're talking about right

[00:38:57] Jay O'Hare: [00:38:57] now. Yeah. And so, and so one of [00:39:00] the, then one of the tangential benefits from that is that we sleep better. You know, oftentimes we wake up in the middle of the night, our minds are just kind of going crazy with the monkey mind and that sort of thing. So if we can take care of that. Then our sleep improves. Um, you know, we've got plenty of athletes who have started taking our stuff and it just noticed just a profound improvement in their sleep. We've got athletes who send us, like, they track their sleep on their watch and things like that, and they've sent us the before and after screenshots of how their sleep is improved. Right. So, um, so that's a, that's a big one. And as, and as athletes, no matter what your sport is, whether it's lifting, whether it's endurance, whatever that looks like. That recovery, that sleep is, is so, so important for us.

[00:39:43] Carl Lanore: [00:39:43] I just had a thought. Do you use caffeine?

[00:39:47] Jay O'Hare: [00:39:47] I do. I use coffee in that.

[00:39:50] Carl Lanore: [00:39:50] Yeah. So you drink coffee, right? Yeah. So do you think that coffee has the ability to diminish the effects of THC or or or does. Does your [00:40:00] tolerance for what caffeine does to actually increase when you use a nut, the CBD, when you use CBD, does your tolerance, because a lot of people say, I can't drink coffee anymore. Just, I don't know, just kind of wires me out and I'm starting to think that maybe this is a con constant foot on the gas pedal lifestyle that most of us live. Yeah. No matter who you are, I don't care if you make donuts, you feel like your foot is on the gas pedal all the time between external impetus, like the news and things that you have no control over and shouldn't even be aware of, all the way down to the real life circumstances. Everybody is tightly wound. Do you think that, uh, that, that the, uh, CBD. Could actually benefit those people. And they may not even, they may notice, I can drink coffee again, all of a sudden,

[00:40:52] Jay O'Hare: [00:40:52] you know, um, that's a, that is a great, that is a, that's a great question. And I just wonder if, um, [00:41:00] there, there is something there between. How, um, caffeine sort of acts as like a, a bit of a fake identity seem to where the brain, um, perks up. If somehow CBD can act counteract that

[00:41:14] Carl Lanore: [00:41:14] cause. Think about that for a second. So, so. Caffeine disregulates a Dennis Denison production in the brain at Denison is what causes sleep pressure. It makes you feel like, man, I want to go to sleep. I'm getting tired. That's the accumulation of adenosine in the brain. So caffeine interrupts that adenosine accumulation. But as you said earlier in our discussion that CBD has a direct effect on, on. A dentist seen as well. Maybe that's the answer for people who consume too much coffee and are waking up all night long. Maybe they just need to get that balance back by using something like, like Vanga

[00:41:51] Jay O'Hare: [00:41:51] that can be really interesting. I, I don't know, I've never had a problem with caffeine, so, uh, I wouldn't be a good test subject. But boy, that would be one too [00:42:00] for us to take a look at. For sure. That could be, would be very interesting one. Yeah. Ask them on Carl

[00:42:03] Carl Lanore: [00:42:03] and see, and in my case, somebody who's abused caffeine, but I've abused everything that's ever come into my possession. Everything, every, there's nothing I haven't abused and, and, and I know will be my demise some day. I realize that. But the reality is that somebody who was using a couple of grams of caffeine a day, and that's combined. You know, anhydrous and coffee in the morning. Uh, I noticed that caffeine doesn't do anything for me anymore. In fact, I don't feel anything, which tells me even more so that I need to get on the CBD bandwagon soon to give my adrenals arrest.

[00:42:39] Jay O'Hare: [00:42:39] Yeah, yeah, yeah. That'll be interesting. Cause are you, I have you like, what's your experience so far with CBD fan?

[00:42:47] Carl Lanore: [00:42:47] My experiences have been fair. 50 50. I've, I've used some. Felt nothing. I've used others and actually felt the analgesic effects and I had just [00:43:00] started using the Vanga and then I gave it to my buddy Joey just to found them when we were hunting. But, but I, I didn't need to take it to hear him say, the next day I can move my arm. He goes, if my arm felt like this all the time, I wouldn't be getting surgery. Yeah.

[00:43:14] Jay O'Hare: [00:43:14] Yeah. You know, and, and, and one other point, you know, when you asked about how athletes are using CBD, we talked about the, about ingesting it. And when we started the company, we only had two products. We had one that works from the inside, the soft gels, and the one that worked from the outside, the topicals. And we see perhaps, well, the most immediate. And some of the biggest benefits is actually from the topicals because people pull muscles, they twist things, they have, you know, they're in, they're on their bike and they're there. Their neck sore, their wrists are sore or whatever that might be. And you can put this topic along just like your friend did with shoulder. And it's, it's, it's amazing. Uh, the results they see. So like, girl, we spent the, we spent the entire summer, just about every weekend we were at some sort of marathon [00:44:00] track, Alon bike race. Uh, like running, you name it. We were there meeting with the athletes, talking with them, and athlete after athlete after athlete would come up with some sort of broken something, shin splints, ankle, knees, shoulders, you name it. They had it. We would hand out samples. It was athlete after athlete would walk away and within five minutes they would come back and they'd be like, this, this is, this is insane to me. Um, I'll, I'll, I'll share this one story with you is pretty interesting. This was a Steamboat marathon here, here in Steamboat Springs, Colorado, and it was at the end of the marathon. Everybody's packing up, we're all leaving. And this woman came over, young woman, she had just gotten out of college. And she came over and said, Hey, I've been sitting on an exact tree all day and I'm watching you hand out samples. Do you mind if I try something? And I'm like, yeah, sure. We always like, we're like, here we go. Like pull out like our cases to get out the sample to give her. Right. And um, and so she took the sample and she went off and a few minutes later crawl, she came back, tears were [00:45:00] streaming down her face. And. And it was Rebecca. And I'm like, Rebecca, what's, what's wrong? Like what happened? And she says, Jay, I cannot believe it. This is the first time she said, I had a car accident two years ago. I had a neck injury. I've had surgery, chiropractors, every kind of drug you can imagine, every kind of thing you can imagine. For the past two years, I used to be a big runner. I'm up here in Steamboat with my friends for the marathon. I'm not running cause I can't. And she said, this is the first time in two years that I've been paying free. And she goes, I can't believe it. But it's like what sort of just random random stance was it that she happened to stumble upon us and put the Mark on her neck and pain free. So we see this happening a lot, and I think that now that. CBD is legal, federally legal with the 2018 farm bill.

[00:45:50] Carl Lanore: [00:45:50] Oh, so you don't, you don't have to call it hemp anymore. Cause there was a while that people reverted to calling it hemp because they said, see the word CBD or the label CBD was illegal,

[00:45:59] Jay O'Hare: [00:45:59] right? Yeah. [00:46:00] Yeah. And there's just, you know, lawyers are super conservative and what people want is CBD. They don't want him, they want CBD. Right. So it was on a way around it. But the point is, now that this is legal. I think we're going to start seeing a lot more research into exactly how this is happening because a lot of, uh, research institutions. Because they would take federal money. You're getting federal grants, you know, they just didn't want to get involved in this because you know, it would, it can jeopardize some of their funding. Sure. So now that this is out there, I think we're going to start seeing a lot more research showing, uh, showing the efficacy of CBD. And

[00:46:38] Carl Lanore: [00:46:38] I, I think, I think it's going to be the pathway. So the efficacy is there. Um, w we, there's, there's, there's so many good studies out there that show that CBD works in reducing pain in, in a pain model from everything from osteoarthritis and so on. And they show it both in, in topical delivery and transdermal. And the reality is that there's very little [00:47:00] difference between the two, other than once you call yourself a transdermal, you're a drug. But, but the reality is that. We know it works. There's, there's studies out there showing that topical works that trans transdermal works, and now we have to understand how, but we really don't need to understand how, we already know how we have an endocannabinoid system that's there to suppress pain and reduce inflammation. And all we are doing is giving ourselves an exaggerated sword source. So it's the body does what it is supposed to do. Well, you don't need a study to show that.

[00:47:36] Jay O'Hare: [00:47:36] Really? No. No. And you know, what we tried to do, and you've mentioned this earlier, I'll just bring this up, but we, so we wrote this guide, and I think you said this is, this is obviously this is available on your website, but this is a. This, this is kind of a big one. We, we kinda, we kind of ordered when it was too big, but I mean, this is a 58 page guide of everything that you would want to know about CBD, how it works in the body, um, uh, [00:48:00] how it can help endurance athletes like the whole, like anything you want to know about CBD. We wrote this, I've been told it's way too long and 58 pages. Um, but like, I don't care. Like I want, I wish I had more information out there than not enough. Um, and that's, and that's where we're trying to really educate people and help athletes make. Good decision. So I don't, I don't really care if, you know, they buy it from us, they buy from whoever. It's just make an informed decision at the end of the day.

[00:48:27] Carl Lanore: [00:48:27] Yeah. Buy, buy, buy, buy from Vanga because they're a sponsor of the show. The reason that we are able to put out content that the amount, uh, and, and, and the, the breadth. Of content that we put out is because the CBDs pay to, to advertise on, I mean, see the sponsors pay like Vegas CBD to advertise on this show. And without them, I can't make content. I can't make, if you found the show last year or last month that changed your life, this is how you repay. I don't ask you to buy my products. Uh, you know, I don't, I don't have [00:49:00] a, a bunch of products I've thought to say that I won't, but. The way you really do that is to patronize the sponsors. And right now we have, uh, a special, uh, if you use the code SHR 10, you'll save 10% off and give it a try and give it two weeks. So this is what, you know, I had Sean Madeira on my show and he already is. Why he's not on the show is he hasn't been, well, he doesn't, the public doesn't know this, but Sean from GLC 2000, a GLC direct, they were sponsors of my show for about six years. And I used to have him on the show and talk about his Glucosomine conjoined product. I'd say, look, just take it for two weeks. You can't, it's not something that you, you feel it right away just to, and sure enough, and this is an, I'm convinced that CBD is one of those things now because of the potential for upregulation of receptor sites. The longer you have higher levels in your bloodstream.

[00:49:51] Jay O'Hare: [00:49:51] Yeah, absolutely. And you know what, if people try it and they don't like it or it doesn't work for them, like we give them money back, like, like, that's not a problem. Um, you know, and [00:50:00] I don't know, maybe on one hand I can count the number of refunds we've given. Like we just, it just doesn't happen. It just doesn't happen.

[00:50:06] Carl Lanore: [00:50:06] Well, you always got look, look, you're always going to have people who, for whatever reason, it doesn't need it. You know, as a company and you just use, give them money back and that's fine because there's a lot of people out there who will love the product because it actually works. I, like I said, my buddy Joey DeStefano, he had no dog in this fight. He didn't know. I just said, Hey, try this and see what happens. I, I don't, I don't know. And, and like within 20 or 30 minutes, he had severe pain that just went away in his shoulder.

[00:50:32] Jay O'Hare: [00:50:32] It's incredible. Yeah. No, and that's, and that's where, you know, when I started the company and, and decided to initially focus on endurance athletes, um, one, it's one that's, um, you know, myself and, and, and cofounder. Um, we're both endurance athletes. We really understand. Uh, the lifestyle, the things that endurance athletes go through and how really, like no matter what you are, no matter what your sport is, it really becomes a part of your identity. It becomes a part of how you manage stress. It becomes a [00:51:00] part of how you, uh, do things in your life. Um, it helps any type of, uh, of athletics that you do helps off the field or off the trail and all kinds of things that you do in your life. And when something comes along that threatens to take that away, whether it's injury. What do you kick it out there? Because of recovery, when you're getting older and you know, things aren't, aren't working the way they did, you know, it tends to take just taking a piece of our identity away. And, um, and here's a way that is all natural. It's a plant. It works with the system that's already in our body. And so, you know, why not go up for something like that rather than the ibuprofens or all these other, other types of drugs that are out there. That may help in one area, but then cause all kinds of side effects on the other areas. And I think that's another piece too, is that, you know, CBD is extremely safe. Um, people had taken upwards of, you know, six to 700 milligrams a day, which would be like our entire bottle is 750 milligrams. Right. They would take the entire day [00:52:00] and with, with, with, with, with no real side effects. Um, so I'm not suggesting that people go out and overdose on CBD. I'm just saying that it is very well tolerated in the body. It doesn't get you high. You can't get addicted. Um, and what your body doesn't need, you just excrete out. So, um, so it's one of these things that, um, uh, Rita, we're at a really interesting time in terms of pain management and inflammation management. I mean, anti-inflammatories, the number one selling drug on the planet, right? Right. So much stuff comes from inflammation. And here's an all natural way to deal with inflammation.

[00:52:36] Carl Lanore: [00:52:36] Yeah. No, there's no doubt about it. I want to take, uh, uh, I'll ask commercial break. When we come back. We're gonna wrap up the discussion. I want to talk about the role of in George training in other types of disciplines, including, uh, strength, training and conditioning. And then I want to tell a funny story about hemp that I've never told them my life, but I just thought it would be a good time to tell it. So stay tuned. We'll be right back with more superhuman radio. [00:53:00] Welcome back to superhuman radio. We're talking with Jay O'Hara from Vanga. , Lawrence Banga, bang God, come on. Come on. Come on, man.

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[00:53:15] Carl Lanore: [00:53:15] Um, so a lot of people think of endurance athletes and don't see the value if they feel that they are strength athletes. And I can tell you firsthand that anybody out there who's listening. A will agree with me who's discovered this on their own, but the greater your cardio cardiovascular, cardiovascular conditioning is, the stronger you will be. You're no doubt. There's no doubt about it. I mean, I'm not talking about guys like Eddie hall. Okay. Who, you know, are monsters and put on so much mass in order to dead lift the record breaking. I don't know what, 1100 pounds. Uh, I'm talking about those of us who go to the gym and train hard day in and day out with the objectives of, of [00:54:00] towing the line of being as muscular and strong as we can while remaining healthy as we can. And I think that's probably the largest group of people out there. We're not. Trying to win CrossFit. Uh, I will tell you that if you aren't walking daily, if you aren't getting in some sort of cardiovascular conditioning, you're leaving a lot on the strength table. And. Uh, and so when we talk about endurance, a lot of people think, Oh, you know, I'm not a runner. I'm not an ultra marathoner. Maybe not. But really a part of your evolutionary edicts is that you ambulate with great regularity. And this links to everything from protecting you against dementia to protect you heart. Do you know there's a study that's probably 15 years old that showed that if, if you, if you do 30 minutes of, of walking cardio. In the morning on your treadmill, around your neighborhood, you're likely likelihood of having a heart attack. That day is reduced by like [00:55:00] 80% you know, I know a lot of gamblers in Las Vegas that would take 80%

[00:55:05] Jay O'Hare: [00:55:05] right?

[00:55:06] Carl Lanore: [00:55:06] Right. And so it's like when we start to think about. When we age, like I'm still strong as hell, but I haven't been doing the cardio I'm supposed to do. I just started now I'm moving back where I needed to be and it's going to take me the rest of 2020 to reach my peak conditioning. Don't fool yourself and think that it's something that'll just come back when you're 61 years old because the slide. Down the Hill was a lot faster than the walk back up when you're, once you hit 60 so you gotta keep, you kind of keep yourself in gear all the time. And, and I've, I've said this to you off the air and you laughed, but I, you know, I've talked about this in past shows. I have guys who have messaged me and said, you know, I'm on SSRI is because I don't last that long in bed. What, you know, is there anything else I could do? And I'd say, yeah, I bet your cardio sucks because you lasting in bed. Is just [00:56:00] part of the evolutionary continuum of endurance. Like your body goes, this guy isn't going to last long. We got to get this over with as fast as possible. No, I'm serious. These people, you guys understand this, know you. Your anxiety goes up before sex. If you, if your anxiety is going up before sex, cause your body feels like maybe this, this is actually a potentially dangerous thing. And so you need to get up and walk more. And the more you walk, the better you'll be at bed too. Uh, but, but the reality is that improving endurance, the word endurance does not just speak to guys who are doing ultra marathons. It speaks to, it speaks to life and enduring, enduring, whatever the hell it is.

[00:56:48] Jay O'Hare: [00:56:48] Yeah, I mean, we, we define endurance athletes as any sort of activity that elevates the heart rate or an extended period of time. And so that could be walking, that could be [00:57:00] hiking, it could be rock climbing, uh, you know, all sorts of things. So, um, so no, it's not, it's not just marathon people or things like that that are out of. You know, um, that are, that are at that level by any means. Um, so, uh, so yeah, I, and I, I wholeheartedly agree with what you're saying. It becomes really the basis for so many other areas of improvement in our health and fitness.

[00:57:24] Carl Lanore: [00:57:24] Yeah. Uh, okay. And I'm going to close the show on a funny story. So I'm going to show what an idiot I am, right? So I must've been about 17 years old, maybe 16 or 17 years old. And my, I'm going to mention some names to my friend Steven Schmidt and another guy who just passed away. One of my closest friends, uh, Jimmy will yell, Mo went to Jimmy's cousin's farm in Jersey, Tommy girts. And when they came home, they came home with shopping bags. With what we thought was marijuana. So they, they, we, they came home and they were like, and you know, [00:58:00] somebody called me a call, call, you gotta come over. We found somebody, a stash. Somebody was growing weed and we found it. And we're like, so we, and it looked like weed. I mean, it really looked like weed, but now that I look back, what it was missing was any real buds, you know? And so we dried it and smoked it. We didn't smoke a lot of it because it sucked so bad. First of all, it didn't get into high, and second of all, it smelled like it's when it burned, it smelled like smoke the bacon.

[00:58:31] Jay O'Hare: [00:58:31] Yeah. Yeah, that's what it smell like,

[00:58:34] Carl Lanore: [00:58:34] and we will like this. I don't care. This can't be weed. I said, this can't be weed. It was hemp who knew about him back then. You know what I mean?

[00:58:42] Jay O'Hare: [00:58:42] Right now. That's hilarious. I love that.

[00:58:45] Carl Lanore: [00:58:45] It's pretty, pretty stupid story. But anyway. Yeah. Uh, okay, so the website is Vanga endurance.com save 10% off by using SHR 10 as the code. Give it a two week. Try and see if all of a sudden you start to notice [00:59:00] things that you don't notice anymore.

[00:59:02] Jay O'Hare: [00:59:02] Yeah. Yeah. You know, and I, I'll, I'll say, I mean, again, I just go back to this simplicity. Like we started the company with two products. We have three now with two products. One that works from the inside, one that works from the outside. Like that's all you need. There's all these things that are out there that, um, from a, from an athlete's perspective, we just, we just not seeing where the need is that you get. The point is get it in your system, get as much as you can in there. Look for the bioavailability. You know that the  that you're getting. The CBD in your system that you're paying for, and then look for their lab lab lab results. You know, companies that don't post lab results. Like what? Like, why not, um, either, either they're hiding something or they're, or they're being kind of lazy and not putting those things up there, but because they can, they can easily get them. So, um, but we're just, we're, we're, we're thrilled to be a sponsor of your show. You know, I, I showed you the endurance athletes guide to CBD. I mean, that's a core part of our [01:00:00] culture. Is education. Yeah. And as we looked at the landscape of, you know, where do we, who do we partner with? Who's out there really educating athletes. Like, like we saw when we, when we ran across your, your network and all the shows that you're doing and all the education, and we were just like this, this is a network and a person that we want to align with. So, uh, this is one that we want to support. And because there's so much information out there and his athletes, like you said earlier, you know, it's pedal to the metal all the time and we just don't have time. And like, who do we trust?

[01:00:34] Carl Lanore: [01:00:34] People in general, you don't, you know, uh, athletes have the luxury of focusing on training, but most of us don't have that luxury. Most of us are working jobs. And trying to train like athletes when it really are burning the candle and both ends, those of us who have busy lives and then we put ourselves into positions of superhumans and, and compete and, and power lifting and, and, and, and, and triathlons and all this sort [01:01:00] of stuff. And then Monday morning we go back to work again. Like, we really need this stuff. If you're doing that and live in your life, you really need this stuff.

[01:01:08] Jay O'Hare: [01:01:08] Yeah, yeah. So I just, I, I'm, I'm thrilled that we can be a part of this and that we'll be able to chat today and I hope that your audience take something away from this. And like I say, they can download that guide and learn more. We're always available. We've got 800 number, we got live chat, email, like any kind of questions athletes have as to how this can help them. Um, uh, you know, we've got story after story after story of athletes where this is. You know, they'd been a really tough spot and they've used their stuff and it's just helped them out.

[01:01:38] Carl Lanore: [01:01:38] Yeah. All right. Listen, thanks so much for being here. Thanks for being a sponsor. Yeah. And could, uh, could Dave send me some more. Of the deck. The capsules.

[01:01:49] Jay O'Hare: [01:01:49] Yeah. You gave me your buddy. Yeah, no, yeah, definitely

[01:01:51] Carl Lanore: [01:01:51] know I, I, you know what, I'm , I'm Catholic. I'm going to go to heaven for just for that one thing. I'm going to go to heaven for doing that one thing. I'm saved. I [01:02:00] can lead a crappy life now. Thanks for being here, man.

[01:02:05] Jay O'Hare: [01:02:05] Awesome. Thanks so much. Bad.

[01:02:06] Carl Lanore: [01:02:06] Thanks to everybody else watching live and we'll see you tomorrow with more superhuman radio. Uh, hold on a second. Take care. [01:03:00]