[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] that music can mean only one thing open season on men

[00:00:04] with my cohost John Romano, who joined me and just want a second. Couple of announcements. First of all, um, the show is brought to you by legendary foods. They are the title sponsor of the show. Uh, today is January 20th, 2020 for those of you listening to the show a hundred years from now, and a legendary is coming out with something legendary, but you'll have to wait till the 24th in order to, Oh.

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[00:00:55] So stay tuned for that. Oh, also, there's a new segment, [00:01:00] uh, at the end of every show called what I'm digging, and this gives me an opportunity to talk about studies or things on my mind that I think are relevant to the community at large. Uh, but maybe it's not practical for me to have this author on because he's in Taiwan.

[00:01:15] Like today's study. Uh, so I'll be doing that at the end of each show, and I'll always put the links to the papers, uh, in the show post on my website. Oh, I did lose John. John, I lost you. Shoot. Hold on a second. Let me text him. Hold on, John. You're gone now.

[00:01:35] John Romano: [00:01:35] You did disappear.

[00:01:40] Carl Lanore: [00:01:40] Please reconnect. . I'm trying to keep things going here at the same time. Let's see what's going on with him. Um, but that'll be a new segment. Today's show, open season on men. We're going to talk about a study that shows that men in the USA over the past 20 years, their testosterone has dropped [00:02:00] so dramatically that there's concern.

[00:02:02] It really is concerned for health. Uh, but also from those of us who are paying attention. Uh, it looks like men are becoming more feminine. I may have to go to the phone. John is typing a text to me. Um, and the, the, these researchers are serious about this. This isn't some campy thing about, Oh, you know, uh, there's a lot of, uh, trans people out there and all that sort of stuff today.

[00:02:27] This is, this is legit. There's a lot of young guys out there that just don't have,

[00:02:32] John Romano: [00:02:32] uh.

[00:02:33] Carl Lanore: [00:02:33] Naturally, um, elevated testosterone levels at their age, and in fact they're crashing and they're closer to what women would have for testosterone. Uh, I'm hoping that John is going to try to reconnect here. We'll give it a couple more minutes and then I'm going to call him on the phone and maybe that's what I need to do and just to see if I can bring him up here.

[00:02:55] Oh, here he comes. Here he comes. Here he comes. Here he comes. Okay. Hold on, [00:03:00] let me, uh, let me just do this one more time and bring John up. Bring me up. There we go. Okay. Technical difficulty. How are you doing, John?

[00:03:11] John Romano: [00:03:11] How are you? Good, thank you.

[00:03:12] Carl Lanore: [00:03:12] So I was just vamping while I was waiting for you to reconnect. Uh, that there's a study that was just published and it was actually published in the, uh, the, the, uh, journal of sexual medicine, uh, by a group that, uh, was looking at.

[00:03:30] Testosterone levels and their trends in men in America. And you sent this to me.

[00:03:37] John Romano: [00:03:37] So,

[00:03:38] Carl Lanore: [00:03:38] um, I know that neither of us are surprised about this, but this is probably the first time anybody's actually gone to look at this,

[00:03:45] John Romano: [00:03:45] right? Yeah, it is. Um, you know, they, they list, I think, a rather incomplete wish of, of. Well, why this could be, and I think it could diverge the [00:04:00] path because I think there are, there are definitely some environmental issues and there are also some, uh, hereditary issues, I think.

[00:04:10] And I think the combination of the two, um, is what's causing the problem.

[00:04:14] Carl Lanore: [00:04:14] So go, go to hereditary first. Now that's surprising that you would say that.

[00:04:19] John Romano: [00:04:19] Well, you know, it, it, it, the hereditary aspect of it is, is this, this is nothing new. I mean, this is, obviously, we didn't, we didn't have xenoestrogens and, and sedentary lifestyles and obesity.

[00:04:32] Um, it just yesterday, it's, it's been evolving. It's been coming for years, so, and, and generations. In fact. So if, if your grandfather, if you're, if you're a, you know, a, uh, gen Z guy today, you're like 20 in your twenties, your grandfather could ostensibly be in his sixties. And, um, he could have started, you know, realizing the decline, uh, you know, environmentally.

[00:05:00] [00:04:59] And then your father really got a zap of it environmentally, and now he, if his testosterone levels have become suppressed. As a matter of environment and maintain that way, the whole DNA deregulation is going to present itself in the next generation.

[00:05:18] Carl Lanore: [00:05:18] Yeah. So, so what you're talking about, what you're talking about is actually showing up in science today when they look at exposure to things like pesticides.

[00:05:25] So there's transgenerational epigenetic effects, and it was all, it was once thought it was only to the oval. Right, but it's not. Now we know that a micro RNA has changed in the father's sperm that is encoded. And so you're right. Um, it's hereditary from the standpoint that it started with your great grandfather.

[00:05:51] But the reality is that these are epigenetic alterations that are being ingrained into micro RNA and DNA [00:06:00] that ensure. Like, like when we look at the research on the effects of a DDT, for instance,

[00:06:07] John Romano: [00:06:07] right?

[00:06:08] Carl Lanore: [00:06:08] They've only looked at five generations of rodents, which is considerable, and the mother is exposed here and all the females upstream, great grandchildren, great, great grandchildren, great, great, great grandchildren.

[00:06:24] They are all showing the changes as a result of the mother being exposed here. So we really don't know. How far transgenerational epigenetic effects, uh, affect us, but, but you can change them just the way they would change the first time around.

[00:06:42] John Romano: [00:06:42] Well, I believe that those are the factors that are, that are the snowball at the top of the Hill.

[00:06:48] Okay, so either the sun's going to come out and melt the snowball or the snowball's going down the Hill and it's going to pick up massive speed. Right. Okay. So if you've got the genetic predisposition for low testosterone, and [00:07:00] then you succumb to the sedentary lifestyle, because we know intense sex or size increases testosterone, if you're going to be subjected to in bio environmental Xeno estrogens, we know that's going to be affected in the water and in the food supply, which is going to.

[00:07:14] It, which is gonna, you know, downregulate further testosterone, an increase, estrogen, um, medications, all this, all this other crap. So as if, if you're already predisposed to a, to a genetic downregulation and then you also subscribe to these other modern factors. By the time the next two generations roll around.

[00:07:35] These are just, Oh, there's going to be no girl, no boys born. It's all going to be girls.

[00:07:39] Carl Lanore: [00:07:39] In fact, I predicted about five years ago, six years ago, I tried to get the authors of a, there's two authors in Scandinavia that have published five papers and then they disappeared off the face of the earth. I think it's because their papers have widespread implications and [00:08:00] liabilities assigned to companies.

[00:08:02] If their research was, was accepted and promoted by the mainstream, uh, so they actually created and recreated three different times a model that produces, um, whatever you want to call it, LBGT, rodents. Okay. So what they did was they, and it's been so long since I've read these, but what they, what they did was they.

[00:08:31] They took rodents and uh, they, they, so, so, so the way a fetus works is the, the brain forms last, but, uh, genitalia happens in the first trimester of a, of a, of a human. So what they did was they recreated this environment and then they added influencing hormones to the mother. So what they did was, in the beginning, let's say they starved the [00:09:00] mother.

[00:09:00] Of D, H T, which is a strong producer of differentiation between the vagina and the penis, and so they starved her firm of DHT and Anne in the womb. The rodents, they started to develop, or they remained vaginas, but then in the third trial, the equivalent of the third trimester in a human, they then started to promote DHT.

[00:09:25] The wiring in the brain became that. Of a male preferring vaginas. So what they ended up doing was they created a female rodent that wanted other females. Then they didn't, they did this three different times. They did it with male rodents the next time, and they showed that they could produce a gay rodent.

[00:09:47] And depending on when they introduced the influencing hormone and for how long. Uh, and, and what hormone they, they introduce. They could either have [00:10:00] male rodents that preferred male sexually or, or they could have female rodents that protect, uh, want the female wrote at sexually. This is, this is huge.

[00:10:11] This is huge because this shows that this disgusting environment we're creating today is changing people's. Not only their sex, but their sexual preference. It's, you know, where we used to think, Oh, just pray more and you won't know a guy. A guy doesn't wake up one morning and go, gee, I wonder what it feel like to have balls on my chin.

[00:10:35] You know? He just doesn't, you're either wired to think that way or you're not. And, and the chemicals that you're talking about are absolutely doing this to humans, so, so why not lower testosterone too? Well,

[00:10:51] John Romano: [00:10:51] I mean, they do. I mean, there's, it's, I have seen with my own two eyes, empirical evidence of this in, [00:11:00] in Guadalajara, Mexico, and that, that is an extremely polluted city.

[00:11:06] Um, there's generations of metro-sexual homosexual, um, um, behavior that's generational. Okay. And. Tons of Xeno estrogens in the food. Uh, tons of Xeno estrogens in the, in the water supply, which is horrible in Mexico. And as a result, we're seeing, or, or they are experiencing six female births per every male birth.

[00:11:34] Yeah. W, and it's normally about 50, 50 in the rest of the world.

[00:11:40] Carl Lanore: [00:11:40] So

[00:11:40] John Romano: [00:11:40] not only are you getting a six to one birth rate augmentation, but you're also getting of the males born a disproportionate amount, or homosexual or, or bisexual. So, and this is the, this is purely evident by virtue of the, of the environment.

[00:11:59] The [00:12:00] environment is whether you've had, I think it's a great example of, of, uh. Genetic predisposition exacerbated by the environment. Yes.

[00:12:10] Carl Lanore: [00:12:10] And, and, and, and, and, and 20 years from now, we're not going to have male and female. We're going to have breeders and non breeders. That's how you're going to be classified.

[00:12:18] You're either able to breed or you choose to breed or you're not able to breed or you don't choose to breed. Because that's because with the emphasis on, you know, I identify as a 58 year old woman. I identify as a horse, you know, all this nonsense out there. What you identify as, um, you know, I, that's, I identify as Richard Branson.

[00:12:40] I want to move into his house. You know, I should be allowed to do that. Um, so, so, you know, with, with those modifications to, uh, societal, uh, uh, constructs, uh, and then these real, like, serious. Biological [00:13:00] changes to human men and human women, we're going to end up with the population that identifies themselves as breeders and non-readers.

[00:13:08] John Romano: [00:13:08] I think that's a rather kind way of putting it, um, what I think what you're going to, but you know what? I also look at it another way. It's not sustainable. This is not sustainable. Eventually, ultimately it will mean the end of the human race. Yes, this continues. So you have to reproduce. Okay. Now there are certain factions of the human race that reproduce at a far greater rate than others, right?

[00:13:32] And that would lend proper, perhaps an artificial dominance in, in a particular race of people over time. But overall, you can't have a Jimmie notion of masculinity and maleness and, and, and male characteristics and expect the human race to continue. It's not going to

[00:13:52] Carl Lanore: [00:13:52] know in the North. In fact, this study.

[00:13:56] That you sent me  I got the study from the article. This [00:14:00] study that you sent me actually, uh, has some very dark comments in the last few sentences like that. This, this could make men, like if this trend continues and becomes widespread in the population, we won't have men or men that can reproduce. And that men can first of all become extinct.

[00:14:22] And then women don't understand when they're screaming about our toxic masculinity is that you need us. Like otherwise, you know, it's going to be like that. Abbott and Costello with the Venusian balloons and you know, apply it full of women can't happen. Can't reproduce. Oh, I know a lot of women are saying, Oh, well we have artificial meat, we have artificial insemination.

[00:14:47] You got to get the in somewhere. There's gotta be, you gotta have to keep one guy chained up in a cave and go in there and empty them out every now and then. So the population could keep going.

[00:14:57] John Romano: [00:14:57] But other than that, invent artificial [00:15:00] sperm, you know, I'm sure they are. They're onto that of soy. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:15:04] They're soy. Good luck with the implications that were really ridiculous for the, for the, you know, for the Progressive's that believe in this crap. Um, you cannot. You cannot rewire humanity. I mean, and it, and it's instinctual. I mean, we talked about this, I think on the last show. Um, there were, there were studies done where women were shown pictures of, of various types of men from the bulky big burly ones to the little, you know, feminine, you know, man bone, wherein, you know, metros and instinctively.

[00:15:42] The women's eyes, they put a thing on there. Instinctively, women's eyes went to the masculine, the more book built guy. Okay. And the psychiatrist surmise that that's an instant is a, a survival mechanism wired and women that chooses the best Hunter protector [00:16:00] provider based on physical size and strength.

[00:16:04] And that's, that's, that's written in our, in our DNA. Not for some reason these weirdos want to change that. So. Um,

[00:16:13] Carl Lanore: [00:16:13] the Tom's

[00:16:13] John Romano: [00:16:13] toxic aspect of it is really broad and bewildering, leak leave ambiguous. And I think it's just a platform for the, some of these morons to be heard. But overall, there's, they're, they're signing their own death warrant because ultimately if they get what they want, the human race will end.

[00:16:33] Carl Lanore: [00:16:33] Yes. And that, and I really do think that's what they want. I think that there's a, I observe a lot of self-hating humans today. You know, like, like vegans who, who would rather see a human being die than a precious animal that's a self hating V or a tree or a tree that's a self hating human like you, you really like, you would, you would let, Oh, we lost John again.

[00:16:57] Oh, he'll connect. You [00:17:00] know, you would let a human being die. Instead of a coyote, it's like th that doesn't make any sense. In fact, that's antithetical to the way we are hardwired to protect, uh, ourselves and, uh, our communities and, and, and basically our, our, our species. And that's really the, the opposite of what we're programmed for.

[00:17:22] I'm hoping John comes back quickly. Um, I was looking for an article here, so let me tell you something interesting. So at at birth, boys have pretty much the same amount of testosterone as girl babies. It ranges anywhere from 37 here he comes. I'm going to put you on the other side. I was just saying at birth, um, where are we?

[00:17:53] Here we go.

[00:17:54] John Romano: [00:17:54] There we go. You're on the other side of. Did you

[00:17:56] Carl Lanore: [00:17:56] pay her?

[00:17:57] John Romano: [00:17:57] Huh? Did you pay the bill?

[00:17:59] Carl Lanore: [00:17:59] Yeah, I [00:18:00] paid it. I just mailed it today. Uh, so at birth, boy, babies and grow babies have very, very similar levels of, of testosterone. Uh, girls 37 to 198 that's a baby. 198 nanograms. A deck leader of testosterone in a baby.

[00:18:23] And. That's girl babies. So think about this for a second. You know, women are talking about toxic masculinity. There's periods of time in a woman's menstrual cycle where she will have the testosterone levels that are considered the new low end for men. And so if we suffer from task toxic masculinity because of testosterone, then what did women suffer from?

[00:18:49] They have testosterone too.

[00:18:55] John Romano: [00:18:55] Hyper hyper estrogen ism. I, I, I don't know. Um, you, you know, [00:19:00] you look at this stuff and it's, it's

[00:19:02] Carl Lanore: [00:19:02] kind of wacky.

[00:19:04] John Romano: [00:19:04] Rather than solve the problem, let's just lower the bar. You know, it's, it's kinda, it's kind of a antithetical, if you'll, if you think about it, the, the, the, the interesting thing about the women promoting this crap is, is that they're the first ones to be screaming for a man when, when the shit hits the fan.

[00:19:23] Right. So I drive it in the middle of the night, you get a flat tire w you know, where's the guy to go out in the rain and change it? They're not going to do it. Right. I mean, and that's something that may seem archaic, but it's simple and basic. But if you expand that into include everything, you'll notice that they're barking up the wrong tree.

[00:19:42] It's a self-loathing, self deprecating philosophy, because in the end, like I've said, it's to their demise right? And what I wanted to comment on the self hatred thing. That is a big issue. That is a big issue, especially in America. Whites hating themselves [00:20:00] cause they're white men hating themselves cause they're men of privileged hating themselves cause they're privileged.

[00:20:06] Carl Lanore: [00:20:06] What the fuck

[00:20:08] John Romano: [00:20:08] you are, what you are, you know you can't, you can't decide that if that's what you are and you're going to hate yourself for it because there's another part of society that may be downtrodden or not equal to you. So you go, your solution is eight yourself. What,

[00:20:22] Carl Lanore: [00:20:22] where did that come from? I know, I was just thinking, I was just about to say, well, we could thank politicians to that, but that's not true.

[00:20:28] Politicians just capitalize on what's trending and in the, in the, in the majority. So somewhere along the line. Someone decided to, to feel bad about who they were and started a trend. It's the stupidest thing in the world. This whole, you're right. You know where white guys, we're supposed to feel bad for being white guys.

[00:20:50] Yes.

[00:20:51] John Romano: [00:20:51] What? W w we the, the um, the terrorist. We just killed soul. Yeah.

[00:21:00] [00:20:59] Carl Lanore: [00:20:59] The morning after

[00:21:01] John Romano: [00:21:01] his, his, his extinction. Yeah, so stupid actress on Twitter. It's a apologizing, apologizing. Now obviously social media is the weapon by which these, this idiocy is being forced upon them. So we're there. No social media, retarded messages like this would not get out, but the fact that we have social media, Twitter basically gets from the writer into the consumer.

[00:21:32] Without passing any kind of filter, you can say anything you want.

[00:21:37] Carl Lanore: [00:21:37] And a portion of the population will believe you.

[00:21:40] John Romano: [00:21:40] Yes. Worse. That's worse. So you have

[00:21:44] Carl Lanore: [00:21:44] some

[00:21:44] John Romano: [00:21:44] more on actress has a 5 million followers on Twitter, and she's going to say, Oh my God, we've killed this poor guy. And you know, I'm really sorry that we did that.

[00:21:55] He, he killed

[00:21:56] Carl Lanore: [00:21:56] 600 Americans.

[00:21:57] John Romano: [00:21:57] Where were you when that happened?

[00:21:59] Carl Lanore: [00:21:59] You know. [00:22:00] It's pop popular. It's popular too, to be triggered and be upset about something today. People spend a lot of time finding things to get riled up about. And

[00:22:11] John Romano: [00:22:11] yeah, and it's unfortunate that social media has become the devil's toolbox when it comes to,

[00:22:17] Carl Lanore: [00:22:17] it's actually dumbed down our population.

[00:22:20] I can actually say that I think it's dumbed down. Our population, people read headlines and then they become entrenched in anger because of the headline, and they don't even read the whole story. They don't even realize that that's not what the story was about. And then they become incensed and they stop spewing hatred on everybody.

[00:22:39] It's like.  we have, we are really living up to the movie Idiocracy and you know, I know you laugh, but ice game, I

[00:22:49] John Romano: [00:22:49] say it all the time. I say it all the time. Every I, every time I explain it, I go, you ever watched a movie? Any ocracy

[00:22:56] Carl Lanore: [00:22:56] that is where we're, that's where we're heading. And, and you know what? I have [00:23:00] tried to reach out to the guy who wrote that script because he must've had a frigging crystal ball.

[00:23:06] How well that movies twat is that movie 20 years old now?

[00:23:09] John Romano: [00:23:09] At least 20 years, if not more. Yeah,

[00:23:12] Carl Lanore: [00:23:12] man, we got some, we got some stuff coming up here. Let's do this real quick. Hold on. So Nathan Sloan says, uh, I can't read the whole thing. It just moved on me. Here we go. Uh, there they are. Devolving the evolve.

[00:23:25] yeah. So it's actually a devolution, right? Uh, not that I believe in evolution, but I do believe a species can change dynamics based on its environment. Uh, we have no more natural predators. We are no longer Hunter gatherers. We rarely engage in ARG, uh, agriculture, which is true. Science indicates we are getting lower and lower IQs too.

[00:23:47] And it's the truth. And I, and I do believe in evolution. I'm sorry, critical thinking makes me understand that. And you're absolutely right, Nathan, because we, we, so Dr. [00:24:00] Daniel Lieberman, the brilliant author of the story of the human body, Harvard professor and anthropology came on my show and he said that.

[00:24:11] The re, the reality is what really drives evolution is the, uh, contemporary ideas that, that, that women choose mates based on them displaying what women believe will be valuable, uh, assets to their offspring. And unfortunately women are driven by culture almost exclusively. So culture then drives evolution.

[00:24:43] So you have guys today that women are choosing because they're feminine because they pose no threat because they realize they don't realize that they can't defend you. They can't lift heavy boxes for you. They kid and then they hate their husbands for it. [00:25:00] I mean, it's just, it's crazy. But culture drives evolution and we are seeing that today.

[00:25:06] John Romano: [00:25:06] Well, you know, it's, it's based on the fact that humans are our adaptive organisms. We adapt to whatever situation environmental you put us in. Now, if we lived in the era of, of, of ancient Sparta, you wouldn't see any of this shit, irrespective of social media. In fact, social media would make us more macho.

[00:25:27] Okay? So, but we don't live, we don't live in that mindset. We don't live in that environmental. Um. In that environment that fosters masculinity and, and all things, you know, uh, you know, th th there's masculinity and there's, and there's chivalry, and I think there's a, there's a, you know, a construct between the two.

[00:25:49] Um, we're, we're the, chivalry comes in. It's because the man is masculine and more men and male and bigger and stronger and more [00:26:00] apt to hunt, provide, protect. And the, the, the, the act of protecting and providing and hunting is lauded by the female in that environment. And therefore it be, it's, it's, it's not only, okay, it's expected that the offs that the male offspring are going to follow this route and carry on the chivalry of their, of their fathers and their grandfathers in protecting the women, providing for the women.

[00:26:28] Being responsible for a family, protecting the family, hunting, providing, protecting, et cetera. So we where that's gone now that is gone, gone. The Marlboro man is gone. John Wayne is gone, the magnificent seven are gone.

[00:26:43] Carl Lanore: [00:26:43] That shit is

[00:26:44] John Romano: [00:26:44] gone. And if you look at all, and I mean all of. The entertainment that's out there today.

[00:26:51] The in media commercials, advertising, all of it is geared towards a very [00:27:00] middle of the road,

[00:27:01] Carl Lanore: [00:27:01] non

[00:27:01] John Romano: [00:27:01] masculine, nonthreatening

[00:27:04] Carl Lanore: [00:27:04] male

[00:27:05] John Romano: [00:27:05] image, and it's promoted everywhere.

[00:27:08] Carl Lanore: [00:27:08] Well, look, look, look at services, uh, services like Roman. Who are they're advertising to. They advertise it to old guys like you and me to advertising to 25 and 35 year old guys who can't get erections.

[00:27:23] Right? And why? Because they have low testosterone and they have, they have a, a Xeno estrogens and, and, and uh, and, and anti androgens like Fe lates competing for the androgen receptor. It's, you know, they eat soy latte, they drink soy lattes three times a day. It's like, it's just, it's like we are. Oh my God, it's so effing scary to me.

[00:27:46] John Romano: [00:27:46] They don't exercise. They're overweight, but those are the two, one or two giant contributors to this because when you're overweight and lose weight, your testosterone goes up. When you're low, when you [00:28:00] gain weight, your testosterone goes down and your estrogen goes up, and when you exercise your, your, your testosterone goes up.

[00:28:07] So you've got, you've got the

[00:28:10] Carl Lanore: [00:28:10] absolute complete

[00:28:12] John Romano: [00:28:12] formula for the demasculinization of, of society. Now. And instead of being outraged by it, the majority of the people are happy about it.

[00:28:22] Carl Lanore: [00:28:22] Sure. Because this is that example of, of, of culture driving evolution, because this is what women choose, men pursue and women choose.

[00:28:31] So men have to be what women want or they're not going to hook up. So you see guys out there who are destroying themselves in front of a woman and and embarrassing themselves in front of a woman so that she'll be more interested in them. Went back in the day when, when you were a strong individual, but you weren't violent, you didn't hit people.

[00:28:50] You know, when you took pride in yourself, when you, you knew that you were a man and you enjoyed living in that space. That's what attracted women back [00:29:00] then. But it's changed, and I've said this before, people have really busted my balls for saying this, but if you don't like where our population is going in the United States, then then thank women for it not men.

[00:29:13] John Romano: [00:29:13] But deep down, they have an attraction for the bad boy.

[00:29:17] Carl Lanore: [00:29:17] Yeah. But not all of them. Not all of them. I know. Not all, but, but you're right. You know, there are women out there still that like men.

[00:29:26] John Romano: [00:29:26] Yes.

[00:29:27] Carl Lanore: [00:29:27] And luckily, you know, luckily, because I, so doctor dr Nigel Rocco, Howard says, society, he said, uh, you guys are spot on.

[00:29:35] He says, a society is shooting itself in the foot. It's, you know what. We're seeing society shoot itself in the foot in a myriad of areas today, it's almost like people fail to realize that if you're on a ship and you don't like the captain or you don't like the people working in the ship, sinking the ship is not an option because you're on the ship.

[00:30:00] [00:30:00] Like if you, yeah, you'll, you'll be going down and you'll be going, yeah, now we got them. Oh shoot. We got ourselves to like, we have to start it. We have to start first thing first. Women have to be more vocal today that they like men who are men, because we have all these young girls out there choosing guys who really look like their girlfriends, but they have a penis.

[00:30:23] So we need to be more vocal. Men need to be treated better. You know, we, we're the ones who, you know, until you all women wanted to get into the war, which some of you wanted to do whatever. I don't know why, but the reality is that men are the ones that die in Wars. When we talk about Wars and all you women are getting your asses all puck it up about this war and that war.

[00:30:45] It's guys by and large that are dying in Wars, like be nice to men. Don't try to throw them under the bus. Don't try to play them. Don't, don't you Millie, hate them because they don't fit your model of what a man is, because your model of what a man is may [00:31:00] be really screwed. Your COMPAS may be really, really off.

[00:31:04] John Romano: [00:31:04] Well, I mean, look at, look at society, okay? The majority of police, police officers are men. The majority of firefighters are men. The majority of other first responders are men. The majority of doctors are men. The majority of most soldiers, as you said in the military, are men. So here

[00:31:24] Carl Lanore: [00:31:24] you have

[00:31:25] John Romano: [00:31:25] the, the majority of all of these protective systems that we have in society are manned, no pun intended by men.

[00:31:34] The majority, the big majority is men doing that, and a lot of those tasks are selfless. You're going to find. A lot of men in these positions that are going to, that'll take the bullet for the women and put them, you

[00:31:48] Carl Lanore: [00:31:48] put 30 for 32,000 a year for 40,000 a year, and you know, so he's not, he's not taken down big bucks.

[00:31:56] He's not on the internet selling IgE pictures, like all these other little shit asses. [00:32:00] He's out there actually doing something where every day he leaves his house, he can't guarantee he'll be home and he's doing it for 40,000 a year. But meanwhile, everybody wants to hate the freaking cops today. If the cops disappeared tomorrow, every one of you saw boys would be getting raped in your acid would be kicked nine to five.

[00:32:19] John Romano: [00:32:19] Absolutely. And you know, but it's there. I think there's still an inherent strengths to it. Um, the, the, the movie theater shooting a couple of years ago at the Batman movies there, there guys stood up on the stage and shot at the audience. There were several. I think there were three or four instances where there were couples where the guy died because he threw his body over the girl she lived, he died, right?

[00:32:47] Zero, zero instances of a woman shot in the back because she threw her body over. The guy. Okay. So there's that. That's an instant trigger when that happens right there. And [00:33:00] that's, that's when you see what real, uh, instinct is. And if it's still in there, it's just the problem is we have diverged from instinct is to environment and society is, is undoing what's trying to undo what's instinctual.

[00:33:18] And. What's the end game? You really want to get rid of men. Is that really the end game or do you just want . Men to be, you know, docile, moldable little creatures that you can be buddies with and that, you know, when you want to have a kid, you can go to this, you know, building over here and get a shot of sperm from, you know, I don't know.

[00:33:39] Prisoners maybe move them is from forms. I don't know. What is your end game, ladies?

[00:33:47] Carl Lanore: [00:33:47] I want to, I want to talk, I want to talk about prisoners when we come back, because one of the hallmarks studies done on the linkage between aggression and. Testosterone levels was done on prisoners, but [00:34:00] wait a minute, you're going to take a population of violent people and go, the ones with the higher testosterones were more violent.

[00:34:09] This, you couldn't do that in any kind of other science, but it's popular to, to denounce testosterone with a stupid study like that. Right. Okay. We're going to take a quick commercial break. Stay tuned. We'll be right back with more. These are all men.

[00:34:23] John Romano: [00:34:23] This is the superhuman channel doing reps with the weight

[00:34:27] Carl Lanore: [00:34:27] of the world.

[00:34:31] Welcome back. I almost said, welcome back to off topic. Isn't that weird? I had like a deja VU moment. Welcome back to open season on men. My guest, my cohost is John Romano, and people are loving this discussion. I think it's, it's been a long time since anyone has said some of these things that's on every man's mind, on every man's mind.

[00:34:54] Darcy Clark, I'm going to summarize. He, he's basically [00:35:00] saying that when you look at the guys with low testosterone, they're either very fat or very skinny. Um. Is, you talked about birth control, he talks about women. Did it see the problem? And guys, when you post a comment, if it's too long, like if it's paragraphs, I can't do anything with it.

[00:35:17] I can just glean it because we, John and I are looking at your comment on a tiny little screen and it's very, very hard. Uh, I'm trying to summarize this. You know, the, the reality is, what he's saying is that the guys with the low testosterone are really. The problem guys, when we look at health, when we look at production productivity and all that sort of stuff, that that's who they are.

[00:35:41] And it's funny he says that because, um, there's a study that was published by a group over in Munster, Germany, and it was published in the Institute of reproductive medicine, uh, in Munster, Germany. And the name of this study was testosterone levels in healthy men. And the relation to [00:36:00] behavioral and physical characteristics, facts and constructs.

[00:36:04] And the, the one thing I want to pull your attention to is this last line after these guys debunk all this nonsense about testosterone and point out that men with the lowest testosterone levels don't fair well in longevity. They die sooner. Number one. So think about that. When you think about this population of young guys who their testosterone is already crashed and they're in their late twenties when it should be raging, it should be raging, but the thing that they say is.

[00:36:35] Um, studies must be viewed with caution and oversimplification as well as over interpretation should be avoided. When we talk about testosterone, and that's exactly this whole, Oh, toxic masculinity, testosterone leads to violence. So there was a study done, I think it was in 2001. Uh, sir, searching for the [00:37:00] linkage between testosterone and aggression.

[00:37:03] And of course an aggression. We mean violence. So where did these brainiacs go to find a subject for their study? A prison? Well, I guess you could also come up with a bunch of other correlations, not causation about prisoners to like, uh, uh, uh, the incidence of male rape. In society today. Let's go to prisons in, look, no, there's a lot more male rape going on in prisons than there are out in the streets.

[00:37:31] So what do they do? They go to the most violent offenders and test their testosterone. Well, they should have tested their cholesterol too, cause they probably had high cholesterol. Maybe cholesterol is linked to violence. See the stupidity in this. It's the same thing they did with testosterone five years ago when they did that study that made all the.

[00:37:50] Class action lawsuit. Attorneys jump on testosterone, which you notice they're gone because they couldn't get any clients. They couldn't get it because most guys on testosterone are [00:38:00] going, nah, man, I love this stuff. They're not going away. But what they did was they took a sick population, men that had already received a heart catheter, men who were getting catheterized, they already have heart problems, and they put them on testosterone.

[00:38:15] And they said, Oh, uh, uh, one out of a a was a instead of one out of every hundred, uh, two out of every hundred ended up with the reoccurrence of the heart attack. But when you look deeper into this study, you find out that the men were prescribed testosterone and only a small portion of them had their prescriptions renewed.

[00:38:36] Like 80% of them did the one prescription, and they stopped doing it. So they weren't even really on testosterone. But nobody reads that because they want confirmation bias. I hate testosterone. Their study says this, so these guys are want to, people don't generalize about testosterone.

[00:38:53] John Romano: [00:38:53] There was actually another study in between the two that was done on sports fans, [00:39:00] and they wanted to see if the more rebel, this sports fan was had higher testosterone, and what they found was.

[00:39:10] Was that it was the other way around. It was, it was the, the excitement of the game and rooting for their team raised testosterone the other way around. Sure. So there, there was, you know, there's, I keep saying it's environmental, it's environmental aspects affect the levels. And it can be from the kind of broad scale scope of environmental, uh, instigators.

[00:39:35] And you're gonna find that if you put yourself in a certain situation and in a, in a football game when your favorite team is winning or. Ancient Sparta and everything in between. You're going to have higher levels of testosterone versus the guys who are sitting in Starbucks with a soy LA tannic cat sitting on his

[00:39:54] Carl Lanore: [00:39:54] lap and think of that from an evolutionary perspective, it makes perfect sense because the body's [00:40:00] going, it's sensing this level of excitement.

[00:40:03] It's sensing this level of, of, of stress or fear or or anticipation, and it goes, wow, we must be about to get down. Like we need to pump up the testosterone because that's exactly, guys watch porn. Their testosterone goes up shore because the brain goes, Oh, we may be having sex soon. It feels like, let me make some testosterone.

[00:40:25] So this makes perfect sense. Lifestyle, as you pointed out early in the show, influences testosterone levels.

[00:40:33] John Romano: [00:40:33] Yes. The, the, the problem with that is art from the. Obvious deleterious effect on men. The problem with it is instead of these issues being combated, they're being glorified. So everywhere you look, there is the presentation of man.

[00:40:56] Is less manly than they were before, [00:41:00] everywhere

[00:41:01] Carl Lanore: [00:41:01] and doctor and doctor

[00:41:02] John Romano: [00:41:02] everywhere across the board.

[00:41:04] Carl Lanore: [00:41:04] Dr Nigel ha. Uh, Rocco Howard makes an amazing point that fits nicely into this, men of being made to grow beards in order to differentiate from the female as they now have similar physical traits. It's true.

[00:41:17] I see guys with huge big butts like Jennifer Lopez, but I see guys with. Boobs. Now, I mean regularly guys with boobs. I see guys who, like, Alisa and I were just talking about this. We were at the, we were out the store one day and she looked at me and she goes, Pat, cause that's our code. Rima SNL. Pat remember?

[00:41:40] Yeah. It's like she goes to me look pad and I was like, wow. I don't know. I don't know why I think it might be a guy I go because, no, no, it might be a woman. It's like. It's happening right before our eyes.

[00:41:53] John Romano: [00:41:53] And it's more than ever. I mean, it's more than ever. I mean, I commented the Valerie the other day, [00:42:00] I forgot where we were.

[00:42:00] I think we were, I don't remember where we were. It was, it was a large, crowded place. It might've been a store, whatever.

[00:42:07] Carl Lanore: [00:42:07] Um, and I kept saying,

[00:42:09] John Romano: [00:42:09] Pat, Pat, Pat, you know,

[00:42:11] Carl Lanore: [00:42:11] and it's.

[00:42:12] John Romano: [00:42:12] Way more than normal. Why the item awake this summer? I saw more men boobs than I, than I have ever seen in my life. Right. How is this happening?

[00:42:23] You know, and I don't mean just a fat guy, and he's got like fat rolls, you

[00:42:28] Carl Lanore: [00:42:28] know, read in of like bananas, like banana boobs, you know, like on national geographic. Yeah, exactly.

[00:42:36] John Romano: [00:42:36] Just from Africa.

[00:42:37] Carl Lanore: [00:42:37] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:42:39] John Romano: [00:42:39] So this is happening, folks. It's

[00:42:42] Carl Lanore: [00:42:42] happening and it's not a parlor trick. And it's not a joke because it's scary.

[00:42:46] John Romano: [00:42:46] Serious. Because if you want the human race to continue, we've got to do something about this because the end game is not winnable.

[00:42:57] Carl Lanore: [00:42:57] Well, okay, so [00:43:00] I don't think we have to do something about it. I think that guys mentioned, Oh yes, this is, this is, look, this is evolutionary selection pressure at its best,

[00:43:11] John Romano: [00:43:11] right?

[00:43:11] Yup. Yes.

[00:43:13] Carl Lanore: [00:43:13] Um, a long time ago I used to complain that not enough people listen to my show. And Ron Penna said to me, your show is more like a private club. We don't want all those people listening to it. And I started to think about it and I thought, you know, uh, we don't have the plague to wipe out 7 million people overnight.

[00:43:31] But we do have this slow marching, uh, parade of, of, of kind of fitting the herd because children are getting diseases that adults use to get, those children won't procreate and they won't, their genes will be removed from the pool the same way if we had 9 million people die from a plague, but it's just a slow process.

[00:43:53] And so what's going to happen is this going to be a hundred years from now? But all of [00:44:00] these. Would be men that can't follow the children because they're, they have fertility problems and all of these would be women that won't be able to have babies. They're gonna run. You think they're gonna run out of adoption opportunities.

[00:44:14] Those plus those opportunities aren't their genes. Those people, those kids, they may raise them, but they may be different people once they get out on their own, but we're actually going to see them. Not have as many children by choice because of planet warming and all that sort of stuff, or, or not be able to, and then, and then that whole mentality stops with them.

[00:44:34] Boom. It's gone. So I don't think we have to do anything. I think what we do have to do is men. Need to be proud to be masculine and don't buy into this whole BS from Hollywood and everybody else, and the women who love them need to love them openly in the faces of these people who think the ideal man is a guy who wants to shop with, you know, Victoria's secrets with pants.

[00:44:59] Well, [00:45:00] wait a minute, that might actually be more fun for a guy who likes women. You know? You know what I mean? Right.

[00:45:05] John Romano: [00:45:05] You don't want to make Victoria's secret a lot better if they put some lounge chairs in there. Well, there's, there's nowhere to sit. I mean, I'll spend all day in there with my wife if I got somewhere to sit down, but I'm not going to stand by the fucking black lace bras and into the freaking thing to stand there.

[00:45:22] Wait, both you done shopping? You know, I want to sit down and have a glass of bourbon and cigar and you know what? Watch your trial.

[00:45:30] Carl Lanore: [00:45:30] Well that

[00:45:31] John Romano: [00:45:31] would be, that would be an enjoyable, you know, his shopping experience rather than the other, but,

[00:45:37] Carl Lanore: [00:45:37] but they have, but they have places like that. They're called strip clubs.

[00:45:42] That's what

[00:45:43] John Romano: [00:45:43] they are. Yeah. I, uh, I think one is a little more, uh, acceptable than the other one to your wife. But, um, well, I wanted to mention something else. You know, there was a, um, uh, um. W not race, but, but, um, [00:46:00] nationality aspect to, to this where we're commenting from our view mostly in America and some European countries, um, among, among white people.

[00:46:13] Right. Okay. Um, and, and if anybody calls me a racist for this, I'm going to be really pissed off cause this is not what I'm doing, but this is just the fact Muslims for example. Have 7.2 children per couple. 7.2

[00:46:32] Carl Lanore: [00:46:32] white

[00:46:32] John Romano: [00:46:32] Americans have less than two

[00:46:35] Carl Lanore: [00:46:35] one one and a half or something. Right?

[00:46:37] John Romano: [00:46:37] Something like that.

[00:46:39] We are at a point now where that trend is irreversible. We

[00:46:44] Carl Lanore: [00:46:44] can not

[00:46:45] John Romano: [00:46:45] go back if we, if white Americans were often every churning out a kid every nine months. Twins and triplets included. We could never catch the Muslims at this point. We won't do it. Right. So [00:47:00] what does mean play that forward? Where, I'm not saying this is good or bad, I'm saying it's the inevitability of what's going to happen.

[00:47:07] What's going to happen is that the Muslim community is going to be a large, gigantic part of the population and the white American population or white European population is going to die off.

[00:47:21] Carl Lanore: [00:47:21] Right.

[00:47:22] John Romano: [00:47:22] If you look back through the animals of time, you will find all kinds of offshoots of humanity that has died out,

[00:47:30] Carl Lanore: [00:47:30] right?

[00:47:30] And

[00:47:31] John Romano: [00:47:31] we're just going to be us. We are going to be another one 50 a hundred years from now. That's what's going to happen, right? And we're going to see a dominant class of people because they reproduce. They didn't fall for this toxic masculinity crap. Um, I'm not saying I agree with aspects and tenants of Sharia law or any of that crap, but what I am saying is if you maintain, if you maintain the viable difference between male and female, and, and live in those established [00:48:00] roles and reproduce like we're intended, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna advance the species.

[00:48:07] If you don't do that, you're gonna disappear.

[00:48:10] Carl Lanore: [00:48:10] And the only reason why this is even important is because. More than ever. We have been segregated into groups. We've been, the human population is being fractionized every day by the modern culture. You have people using the word tribe specifically. That's those.

[00:48:31] That's the small groups. But then. You have policies in place through politics that can't be ignored, that are clearly racist. Look, I want to, I want to make a point to you about racism. I'm 14% Northern African, so before you start jumping on me, okay? But I want to make a point about racism. Racism isn't only when you do something hurtful to somebody because of their race.

[00:48:58] Racism is when you [00:49:00] do something kind to that person because of their race. Racism is doing something, taking an action specifically because of that person's race. So if I am driving down the road and I see a guy on the side of the road, black guy, and I think, you know, I'm going to go help him, that's not racism.

[00:49:23] Now, if I go out of my way to drive around and I say, I'm only going to find black people to help today, change your tires. Society will look at me as being a really benevolent person, but that's racism. If I'm going out and helping somebody because of their race, that's racism. So before you decide that racism is a horrible thing, you need to be more clear about the fact that racism that hurts people.

[00:49:52] Is a horrible thing. If you want to do away with all racism, then we have to do away with all the system, the programs that had been in place to give any [00:50:00] specific group of people a leg up in a situation because that's still racism.

[00:50:05] John Romano: [00:50:05] It's all, it's also being good at and proud of the race that you are.

[00:50:11] Let's just look at the word race is if you're a, if you're a, if you're a guitar is. Or, or a pianist or an artist, you are prolific and good at what you do. If you are a racist, you are good and prolific at, at supporting your race. Sometimes that's perverted into, into the, to the detriment of a competing race.

[00:50:36] But the benevolent aspect of it is there. So, you know, you, you, you got to look at, you know, all aspects of this. The, I, I think you can, you can extrapolate this topic, um, from that racist, um, instrument by saying, you know, you guys or you women are calling this toxic masculinity. [00:51:00] Th we are, we are proud and good at being men proud of and being good at men.

[00:51:07] So that, that, that gives us that, you know, that that character that you find toxic. So who, who's, who's practicing racism here?

[00:51:17] Carl Lanore: [00:51:17] You know, well, gee, gender discrimination is against the law, except when it's when it's, yeah, right? It's men, you know, it's against the law and it's frowned upon if the gender discrimination is happening to women.

[00:51:32] But when women get up there and say, testosterone is the reason that the world is screwed up, men are the reason toxic masculinity, you know? Um. Well, David, all the horrible things that they say today about men in the media and in Hollywood, the subliminal messages in movies you like. If you did that about women, the women would be marching in Capitol Hill and they'd be gone.

[00:51:51] Stop that. You know, a gender discrimination guy, and this is part of our problem. Part of being a [00:52:00] man is sucking it up and moving on. That's actually something that women love about guys. My mother used to say, your father, he all the years that he was injured, hurt, sick with illness, he never complained. He never complained.

[00:52:18] Right? And we, we, we, we are as men, when you don't cry, you suck it up and you move forward. Life's not fair. That's just the way it is. And the reality is that that's who women want us to be. . There's women who value that on both sides of the fence, whether they're feminist or within a, within a nod. So you know, this idea that men are somehow, you know, inherently evil, it's just, I want to get to something here that dr Nigel just said, I want to put this up.

[00:52:51] He said, I'm wrong. One, I'm sorry, I'm trying to, he said that he actually prescribed men watch porn when he has somebody who has [00:53:00] ed. Interesting. I bet that works. No,

[00:53:06] John Romano: [00:53:06] it's just you're sensitized to it. It doesn't have any effect.

[00:53:09] Carl Lanore: [00:53:09] Well, I guess a guy who's not watching porn much probably would get, get something out of it,

[00:53:14] John Romano: [00:53:14] probably.

[00:53:15] Carl Lanore: [00:53:15] Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I, you know what,

[00:53:19] John Romano: [00:53:19] to your point, um, my father used to tell me. A real man is someone who is a, is a guy who does what he has to do, not what he wants to do and does for the women what they don't want to do. So, and in spite of it, it's got nothing to do with want. It's got to do with duty and responsibility and what you're supposed to do.

[00:53:43] And, and you know, some people also want, society puts that on you. No, it's ingrained in us. It is. It is. Part of what makes the differentiate, the differentiation between the man and the woman and it's, it's, it's knee jerk reaction. You're [00:54:00] in a restaurant, you, you, you and your girl are out of the restaurant.

[00:54:03] The bill comes, the waiter's putting

[00:54:05] Carl Lanore: [00:54:05] the check down in front on you. Right. I want it done in front of her.

[00:54:08] John Romano: [00:54:08] It's just, that's the way it is. So, you know, the, these, these expectations, we have fly in the face. Uh, this, this, this feminist Nazi movement to, to, you know, eradicate men and masculinity from the face of the earth.

[00:54:26] Yeah.

[00:54:27] Carl Lanore: [00:54:27] Um, Matthew Watkins says, uh, the Dr. Howard, I can hear his voice now saying. For fuck sake. Love watching Lee on RX muscle. They want me to have Lee priest on the show. That's their Sam.

[00:54:41] John Romano: [00:54:41] They associate me with Lee anytime we go,

[00:54:43] Carl Lanore: [00:54:43] is that what it is? Okay. And I know Lee is good at ranting. He has, he, he, his opinions are well known.

[00:54:48] He doesn't, he did great. He doesn't hold back. We should have him on the show. Um, so the thing that we need to start to do, and I'm, I'm kinda thinking through this, right? [00:55:00] If we're going to progress as men. We have to see all men as the team, not black men and white men, all men, every man listening to this show, we are being crushed today.

[00:55:16] Women are surpassing us in the things that they fight for and get done. And we sit back because we don't like to complain, like I was saying, and we just keep swallowing stuff down. But it's time. For men to see themselves the way women see themselves. You know, a group,

[00:55:37] John Romano: [00:55:37] a group. You're absolutely right, but you can th the one of the telltale signs of how this is affecting society is right now, women now outnumber men in the workforce.

[00:55:50] 50 years ago, that would've been absolutely unheard of.

[00:55:54] Carl Lanore: [00:55:54] Right?

[00:55:55] John Romano: [00:55:55] And improbable. Right? But now it's a fact. It's a reality. So. [00:56:00] Keep, keep, keep pushing them down, ladies. Keep pushing them down. Keep hating them. Keep, keep promoting this toxic masculinity crap. What happens is guys give up. They don't want to deal with shit.

[00:56:13] They don't want to get married. They don't want to have kids. They don't want to work. They give up. They don't want to deal with this crap. This is the result. You have more women working. You have less kids being born, you have more gay and trans transsexual and, and, and, um, gender confused people more than ever before.

[00:56:35] And this is a direct result of the all out

[00:56:38] Carl Lanore: [00:56:38] attack

[00:56:39] John Romano: [00:56:39] on real men in masculinity.

[00:56:41] Carl Lanore: [00:56:41] It's an anti man culture today. I don't care if you're a black man, a white man, a an Asian man. It's an anti man culture. And if you don't realize it. And, and start to stick your head up and ask questions and, and, and be concerned about it.

[00:56:56] You're going to hand your great grandchildren, the boys, [00:57:00] a horrible world to live in. And it's, you know what, and I shouldn't say world because it's not like that in other countries. It's like that here in the USA. It's just like Meghan Markle went over to the U K and somehow. She was treated racistly in a U K U K doesn't have any problems.

[00:57:18] Black and whites in the UK do fine together. There's no problem. But she was going to import that from the United States and bring it there.

[00:57:26] John Romano: [00:57:26] Yeah. Great job. You know? Um, I, I like the meme that shows the picture of her and Yoko Ono and Yoko Ono's underneath her. Hers. It says, I broke up the Beatles. And under Megan Markel's that says, hold my beer.

[00:57:42] Carl Lanore: [00:57:42] Yeah, right. She's, you're going to break up the, but she's not going to break up the Royal family. That's why the queen mother's probably going, thank God. Go. That'll go move to Canada. Leave me alone.

[00:57:53] John Romano: [00:57:53] Canada's going to end up being the dumping grounds of every, you know, liberal lunatic that, you know, can't hack it in the [00:58:00] real world.

[00:58:00] They're all going to go live in freaking Canada.

[00:58:04] Carl Lanore: [00:58:04] Shocked. An idol says, luckily here in the U K. Yeah. We haven't suffered the same amount of toxic masculinity as you guys have, but it's coming. We see it.  and clubs in schools. Yeah.

[00:58:18] John Romano: [00:58:18] Well, you know, some of these, some of these scholars that are studying this on, on the, from the female side ought to take a look at this and say, what is the end game here, ladies?

[00:58:31] What do we plan on accomplishing? You know what's really the interesting thing is that when you have a normal, healthy, heterosexual relationship, and you, and you look at it and, and I mean a good normal relationship, you'll find that it's very harmonious, works really well. You know, there's very little tension and very little problem in it.

[00:58:54] In normal, healthy, heterosexual relationship,

[00:58:57] Carl Lanore: [00:58:57] right? All kinds of

[00:59:00] [00:59:00] John Romano: [00:59:00] abnormal and unhealthy heterosexual relationship shifts out there. I am not talking about them. I'm talking about the few and far between. Real good ones and when you see them. And you and among your friends or people that you know, your family, whatever, you'll notice that is a very, very harmonious institution and there's very little problem with it.

[00:59:23] Normally I have problems with it. When social media starts foisting this nonsense from some deranged psycho that's got an audience,

[00:59:32] Carl Lanore: [00:59:32] and I want to mention what I want to want to close the show on one thing. I have this dream of starting a movement against Hollywood right now. Today. There's a March on the Virginia Capitol, because Ralph Northern, who really is, he's moving so quickly, uh, in introducing bills, uh, because Ralph Northern is looking to impose, uh, uh, uh, an [01:00:00] insult on the second amendment to Virginia voters.

[01:00:04] And I said this to Elisa a couple of days ago. Hollywood could not make it. A blockbuster movie without the portrayal of the illegal use of guns. Now think about this. Every one of your favorite John wick shoot 'em up movies. Oh, man. Yeah. You know, he's cutting people down. This is actually in the real world, illegal use of firearms.

[01:00:30] This is exactly what Hollywood claims that they want anti-gun. Well, legislation introduced to protect people. Well, here's what I say. I say that somebody write a bill that Hollywood can no longer portray the illegal use of guns in their movies if they want to promote this anti-gun sentiment. Watch how quickly Hollywood goes.

[01:00:55] Oh, wait a minute. Guns may not be the problem if they're all, because [01:01:00] they would, they would literally, 80% of the movies they make every single year portray, portray the illegal use of guns. And it's suggestive. It's not like, Oh, they're . Yeah. Doing the story about John Lennon when he got shot. No, it's suggestive.

[01:01:15] It's these, bang them up, shoot them up. You know, a James Bond, people getting shot, killed, maimed, run over by cars. The degree of, of, of, of, of, of, uh, what's the word that they use a gratuitous violence in these movies. If you had to tell them you can't do that anymore with guns, you'd see how fast they would be pro gun because they were, Hollywood would dry up overnight.

[01:01:39] Or

[01:01:40] John Romano: [01:01:40] knives, fighting, martial arts, all of that shit. And, and, and require that all their security details and those of the Pope, the, the congressmen, senators, all of his liberal Democrats that are, that are yelling about this crap, all of them, all of their security details have to be former Hooters girls with no [01:02:00] guns.

[01:02:01] See how far they go.

[01:02:02] Carl Lanore: [01:02:02] Who does girls know? They got a Birkenstock wearing girls. That's big. That's what they

[01:02:06] John Romano: [01:02:06] deserve. Wearing underarm.

[01:02:09] Carl Lanore: [01:02:09] Underarm, hairy. Yeah, exactly. Leg hair. The whole thing stinks, right? Women don't even, they don't even shower anymore.

[01:02:16] John Romano: [01:02:16] Vegan women who don't shave under their arms wear Birkenstocks.

[01:02:19] That's their security detail note with no guns between those two, shit would dry up overnight.

[01:02:27] Carl Lanore: [01:02:27] Well, I really want to see, I don't think it's practical for the night, the guns. If they're saying that guns cause murders and homicide and all these things, then they have to stop portraying guns being used in illegal ways in their movies.

[01:02:43] John Romano: [01:02:43] I agree. I agree. And they also need to stop relying on them to save their own wives when you know their security's at risk. No, fuck it. Yeah, you want, you want to live, but you want to live by the sword. You die by the sword. I liked that. That's the way it goes. You want you, you can't be a [01:03:00] hypocrite. That's the biggest problem with all of this, is the monumental pile of hypocrisy that gets piled on of these issues.

[01:03:09] If you're, if you're really anti gun, then be anti gun. Be living in anti gun society, live kid, forget. Forget using them in your portrayals. Forget beings protected by them. Forget owning them. You are out of the realm when it comes to guns. Hollywood. I like that. Let's see how far you go.

[01:03:28] Carl Lanore: [01:03:28] You know what?

[01:03:29] Maybe if somebody is listening in, the audience wants to help us out with this. Maybe we can go to one of those. Um. Uh, websites where you poll, you take a poll, you know, you, you signed a signed, signed the petition, one of those petition websites. Let's get a website. Let's get a petition going. That basically says, uh, if you want to infringe on our second amendment right Hollywood, then you have to stop portraying, uh.

[01:03:54] Illegal use of guns in your movies because this is suggestive and you're [01:04:00] actually your, your, your, your glamorizing people who go out there and kill five or six people in an afternoon, uh, and then, and then they go, you know, the next scene of the movie, you're glamorizing that it didn't happen. It's not a documentary.

[01:04:13] So you're glamorizing it and you're, you're actually planting the seeds in people's heads that. If they do this, people will applaud them the same way that they will. They're applauding John wick right now

[01:04:26] John Romano: [01:04:26] and add to that list. The Birkenstock, where is silicone Valley live in video game creators that have nothing but violence to sell that are our children.

[01:04:37] All the music videos and rap songs. Chilling, chilling. Cops

[01:04:42] Carl Lanore: [01:04:42] don't even get me started on rap music because it's the funniest thing in the world because the left denounces anything that they think is, uh, that, that is sexist. But I haven't been listening to much of the new rap cause I don't like it. But back in the day, that's all it was, was sexism in

[01:04:57] John Romano: [01:04:57] those sections.

[01:04:59] And

[01:05:00] [01:04:59] Carl Lanore: [01:04:59] that's it. That's an example of the hypocrisy that you're pointing out right now.

[01:05:03] John Romano: [01:05:03] So you have to eradicate it if you're, if you're against it, then quit making money off it.

[01:05:08] Carl Lanore: [01:05:08] Yeah. All right. Look, we're going to pull the plug on this interview here with John Romano. Uh, we'll be back on with him again for another episode of open season on men.

[01:05:17] When I come back, I'm going to talk about a study that you really need to know about. If you understand the role senescent cells play in aging, you're going to love this next study. I promise you. So stay tuned. We'll be right back with more a supreme-a radio. Thanks John.

[01:05:33] John Romano: [01:05:33] This is the superhuman channel where brawn and brains finally meet.

[01:05:41] Carl Lanore: [01:05:41] Welcome back. Those of you following your anti-aging medicine, you know, telomeres

[01:05:50] John Romano: [01:05:50] are like.

[01:05:51] Carl Lanore: [01:05:51] Not the big buzz anymore. Uh, there's so much good evidence that shows the thing that actually causes what [01:06:00] we associate with advanced aging is the accumulation of senescent cells.  we've talked about senescent cells, um, since probably around 2011 I think.

[01:06:17] Um, I've had doctor McKell blogger Sloanie on the show to talk about rapid myosin and how it eradicates senescent cells. Um, we've talked about dietary approaches that seem to have the ability to slow down the accumulation of senescent cells, but everybody's looking for. The Holy grail of re reducing the load, the accumulation of senescent cells in people, because that actually is the thing that will prevent a lot of the, um, phenotypical changes in our bodies that we associate with aging, uh, [01:07:00] changes in quality of our skin.

[01:07:03] Um, muscle, uh, atrophy and pain, uh, degradation of soft tissue like chondracytes and, and, and, uh, and facia of the muscles, tendons and ligaments obviously fit into that discussion. Um, I mean, the changes in your eyesight, your vision. Changes in your brain. These are all now understood to be, uh, the result of the accumulation of this metabolic waste called senescent cells.

[01:07:38] Now, it's not just the accumulation of the senescent cell itself, but its what the senescent cell does to the healthy cells around it. That makes it so important to find ways to eradicate senescent cells. So senescent cells. Produce a [01:08:00] variety of inflammatory cytokines and chemokine and the, basically these poisons, they just ooze it out and so the cells closer to it, they get sick and then eventually they become senescent cells to what a senescent cell is, is a zombie cell.

[01:08:17] You've heard it called that before, I'm sure, and it's an accurate, it's an accurate portrayal. The reason is every cell in your body has. Uh, an exp expiration date, we call it a pop ptosis. So cells, they die off and the body sanitation system breaks apart, uh, organelles and so on, carry them away. But that cell is then replaced with a brand new healthy cell that once again has an expiration date.

[01:08:46] I'm sure. Well, a senescent cell doesn't die. So it can't be cleared away. Instead, it just becomes this non-functioning cell [01:09:00] and as an unfunctioning cell, it lives on forever, so it doesn't, so it takes up space. That a healthy cell should be replacing, and as larger and larger populations of these senescent cells accumulate because they're making the cells around them sick, you start to slow down.

[01:09:18] You have aches and pains. You just don't feel as strong as you used to be. You don't smell. It's all these, all these different things, and quite frankly, the senescent cells take their greatest toll on the nervous system. That's really what they do too. Imply the changes that we associate with aging. And so of course, the nervous system is the Canary in the mind.

[01:09:43] It goes first, it gets damaged first before anything else happens. So. People are taking Metformin every single day thinking that they're going to eradicate senescent cells. They're going into deep dives into fasting, day in and day out, week after week, and, and literally [01:10:00] eroding their bodies over time. Um, all because there is evidence that these things affect.

[01:10:09] Senescent cell accumulation, but they don't seem to be able to make the senescent cells disappear. They just stop senescent cell acquiescent cells from becoming senescent cells. Now, I'm oversimplifying this

[01:10:23] John Romano: [01:10:23] obviously,

[01:10:25] Carl Lanore: [01:10:25] cause I'm really not that smart. I can't spout the science deal, but here's what is really interesting and exciting to those of us in this community.

[01:10:33] You know, instinctively we knew. Something. We just didn't have proof. So I'm going to, I'm going to start out by reading this study. So this study was published, um, in, uh, the impact journals, uh, by a group over in Taiwan. That's why I couldn't have them on, I want it to in Beijing, what w one of the scientists [01:11:00] was in Beijing.

[01:11:00] The rest of them were in Taiwan. The name of the cell, I mean, name of the study is. Age cells in human skeletal muscle after resistance training. Not. Cardiovascular training or endurance train resistant training. And it's fascinating because they also altered protein intake, which is so freaking exciting to me that they get it.

[01:11:28] So let's listen to this, hold on, let me, let me expand this so. It remains unclear how exercise as an entropic event brings benefits against human aging. Here we examine longitudinal changes of the P 16 senescent cells, which they can see when they biopsy and skeletal muscle of young men, uh, age 22 on average.

[01:11:54] Before and after resistance exercise, uh, at zero hours and 48 hours [01:12:00] with multiple biopsies. Poor guys, that's like a core sample of your muscle. At two different protein availabilities, low protein, which was 14% of their diet was protein and high protein. What was 44%, uh, including supplemented conditions, they would probably using a whey protein.

[01:12:20] I haven't read through the whole, uh, dietary portion of it. Uh, immunochemistry analysis of muscle cross-sections using the  and CD 34 antibodies confirmed that the detected senescent cells were, and they'll Filio progenitor cells. Leukocyte infiltration into skeletal muscle increased during resistance exercise.

[01:12:42] The senescent cells in the muscles decreased. So even the ones that were present already, they decrease. It's not like they just didn't make more. They were actually converting them or removing them. Most likely. I dunno, they could be converting them back to  and cells. I have to, I [01:13:00] have to question the author.

[01:13:01] This senescent cells in muscles decreased by 48% after exercise for 48 hours. Low protein resulted in greater infiltration of both CD 68 phagocytic macrophages and leukocytes further decreasing the P 16 senescent cells and delayed increases in regeneration of CD one 63 macrophages and skeletal muscle compared with high protein supplementation.

[01:13:32] Significant gains in muscle mass after 12 weeks of training occurred only under the high protein supplementation condition. Conclusion, rapid senescent cell clearance of human skeletal muscle during resistance exercise seems to be associated with enhance and enhance in situ phagocytosis. High protein availability accelerates [01:14:00] the resolution of muscle inflammation and promotes muscle increments after training.

[01:14:05] So basically, when you. When you resistance train, when you lift weights now, now think about this muscle makes up probably next to your skeleton in weight. Maybe more muscle makes up, if not the most, the largest area of tissue to at least the second largest area of tissue. And if you lifting weights actually eliminates.

[01:14:35] Uh, senescent cells from muscle in the presence of a high protein diet, which obviously if you're removing these senescent cells and you're growing new muscle, you're actually increasing the ratio of bad cells to good cells. So that that's kind of exciting too, that you can extrapolate from that. But the reality is that if lifting weights in and [01:15:00] of itself completely reduces and clears senescent cells from muscle tissue, then anyone who gives a crap about anti-aging science who isn't lifting weights is either a fool or misguided because the reality is.

[01:15:20] We don't really know what's going to happen and how Metformin's going to play out. And we know that there can be outcomes, bad outcomes from being in kettle too long and from intimate and fasting for too long. We know that already, but there are really no bad outcomes that can happen from you lifting weights until you're a dead person.

[01:15:43] And if lifting weights actually does. What all the scientists out there searching for a silver bullet, a magic, a magic pill, you know to actually do for you. Shouldn't everybody be lifting weights today? Everybody? [01:16:00] I don't care who you are. If you want to live longer, and if you want to reduce senescent cell accumulation in your body, and who knows if they look at brain tissue.

[01:16:12] If they look at non skeletal muscle tissue, if there is a carry over from lifting weights, because we know lifting weights affects bone, we know that. We know that it increases bone density, it increased, it influences bone mineral uptake. We also know that lifting weights changes the microbiota in your gut.

[01:16:32] So if lifting weights has this amazingly beneficial pleiotropic effect, and doctors are not prescribing it for their patients, are they not derelict of their duties as doctors? I mean, this is, this is big. I wanted to have one of the authors on, but time difference and the language barrier made it impossible.

[01:16:58] And I thought, you know, I don't [01:17:00] want to just keep this to myself and I don't want to just post it on Facebook where just scrolls by and it's gone. So what I'm going to do is. I'm going to put a link to this study in the show notes for today's show so that you can then download it and show it to your friends.

[01:17:17] Show it to your mom and dad, bring it to your doctor. But this is, this is quiet. Like if there was a pill that. Cleared senescent cells from all muscle tissue. You would hear every frigging podcaster. You would hear every single person within the anti aging, uh, uh, sphere. Oh, we got a pill now that cleared senescent cells from, from, from, from all skeletal muscle tissue.

[01:17:44] This is huge. This is huge. But because it's lifting weights and you actually have to work because it's lifting weights and you actually have to suffer a little bit. Very few people are going to talk about it, but us, because I've been saying since the beginning of the show, [01:18:00] muscle is metabolic currency, so get into the gym and make a deposit today, because I know for a fact that the stronger you are, the longer you live, so it has to have a beneficial effect on.

[01:18:14] Physiology in order to influence outcomes. And this is just one more, one more feather in the cap of physical cultures that you will actually fare better and you will actually reduce the accumulation of senescent cells in your body and you will be able to get around longer. You won't be in that nursing home.

[01:18:34] You'll be able to tie your own shoes, shop your own clothes, get up and out of chairs. No problem. You'll be able to get up and change the channel on the TV yourself. This is, this is monumentous. No one is going to talk about it. Watch, but this is a huge, huge feather in the hat of physical culture. Stay tuned.

[01:18:53] We're gonna take one last break. We'll be right back.

[01:18:58] John Romano: [01:18:58] Move over. [01:19:00] Superheroes. This is this superhuman chapel.

[01:19:06] Carl Lanore: [01:19:06] Welcome back.

[01:19:10] And in the, uh, the vein of building muscle. Have any of you tried to be strong blood flow restriction, restriction bands yet? Cause if you have, I want to have you on the show. I want you to come on and talk about your experience because I've had nothing but good experience from them. And I'm just curious if other people in the audience are having the same, uh, if you have used the be strong blood flow restriction bands.

[01:19:36] Whether you've had good results or bad results. I want to know. So I want you to email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. and we'll book you on the show to talk about your experience. That's it for today's show. Tomorrow is the blueprint power hour. Wednesday, we're going to be doing a show following up on this, a hydrogen water concept.

[01:19:53] I actually have a scientist who does nothing but study this. So we're going to find out, uh, if he thinks the [01:20:00] science is legit or not, I don't know yet. Uh, you can join me and we'll both find out together. I, so that's it for today. We'll see you tomorrow, uh, with more superhuman radio. And thank you for watching and listening today.