[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] welcome back to superhuman radio. Today is January 23rd, 2020 the new roaring twenties baby. And those of us in this audience are making this the roaring twenties because we're not sick and we're not, and let's put it this way. We have our issues, but we, we fight against them. We don't go under. And that's a, that's a salient characteristic of the people who listen to this show.

[00:00:24] And I want to talk more about that. And the last half hour segment of what I'm digging. Um, because, uh, I don't want to be respected by you. I want to challenge you to do your own research and you apply your own critical thinking. And I want to talk about that because I got accused of something today on Facebook and I think it be good, um, to discuss now before we get underway.

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[00:01:37] But this is the single best guilt-free snack I've had. And forever and so you should check them out for sure. They're really, really good. Okay. Let's bring my cohost on and play his music. The first step to changing your life starts with the renew life show with Adam land. [00:02:00] Every time it says Adam Lamb, I just feel like, man, I'm really slacking.

[00:02:06] What am I going to give this guy his own music? I don't know. I feel like we have to keep Adam in there because he is the captain of the ship. You know what I mean? So

[00:02:13] Ronnie Milo: [00:02:13] he's running the show.

[00:02:14] Carl Lanore: [00:02:14] Ronnie Milo, how are you?

[00:02:16] Ronnie Milo: [00:02:16] What's up, buddy? Hey, listen, congratulations on, uh, on your accommodation for the longest health broadcast podcasts going.

[00:02:23] We'll talk to you. My friends. I've been a longtime listener. Uh, I've been listening since 2009. So you came a long way and I'm happy to be on the show and congratulations my friend,

[00:02:32] Carl Lanore: [00:02:32] eh, it, you know what? I don't make a big deal about it, but if I had a big social media budget, I would blow this up because I am the longest running health, fitness and anti-aging podcast in the world.

[00:02:46] Yeah. You know, this, this, this became my wheelhouse from the very beginning, and I'm 14 plus years. The word podcast [00:03:00] wasn't coined until 2006 by a VJ on MTV who basically combined two words. And that was, you know, we're already downloading MP3 music onto our iPods. Uh, and then broadcasting was more talk radio.

[00:03:19] And so it was this phenomenon like, wow, people are downloading talk content now. And that's where the podcast term came from. 2006 my show started in 2005 so my show actually predates the use the vernacular, a podcast.

[00:03:37] Ronnie Milo: [00:03:37] And you're doing off topic. Before that

[00:03:40] Carl Lanore: [00:03:40] I was doing off topic. No, during that I spent, I started this show first.

[00:03:44] I see.

[00:03:45] Ronnie Milo: [00:03:45] Right. I've heard getting off topic and then I was like, Oh, you have super even radio. And then I went to that one. Then I was like, Oh, I'm hooked. And,

[00:03:51] Carl Lanore: [00:03:51] and, and the other thing is, I don't know of anybody else in this category, in this space of health, fitness, and, and, and anti aging or longevity, however you want to say it, [00:04:00] that produces the amount of content I produce for four shows a week is, is a, a lot ask anybody who's doing podcasting.

[00:04:09] I mean, w we're getting close to 60,000. Downloads per episode in the first 30 days of the episode being released. The top 5% podcasts are basically a, if they're getting 9,000 downloads in the first 30 days. You're in the top 5% and the reason that's so amazing is because I have no celebrity. I'm not, I'm not Joe Rogan, who, you know, who was it?

[00:04:38] I love Joe when he was a comedian, when he was on Howard. I used to listen to him. So naturally I want to listen to his podcast. You know, I, I have no celebrity. I've built, I've built every follower by coming in here and playing chops every single day. Just doing my work.

[00:04:56] Ronnie Milo: [00:04:56] That's it.

[00:04:57] Carl Lanore: [00:04:57] So it's, it is a lot and it's a big deal to me.

[00:04:59] And I, [00:05:00] I'm sorry if I'm, if I'm, uh, tooting my own horn here, but unfortunately

[00:05:05] Ronnie Milo: [00:05:05] you deserve every bit of it, man. Go right ahead.

[00:05:07] Carl Lanore: [00:05:07] So, okay. So there are still guys out there who are on the fence about testosterone therapy. They inevitably always still have the misinformation of two studies that were published that showed a higher risk of heart attack.

[00:05:24] Or second heart attack, rather in those supplementing with testosterone. And if it were not for these two very bad studies, these studies, clearly either they wanted the outcome to be a certain way or they wouldn't have ignored some of the things that I'm going to point out. Um, or they were just really inept.

[00:05:48] And it just goes to show you the quality of people doing studies today. Those two studies looked at men who had been catheterized already, but think about this. [00:06:00] Healthy people aren't going in for a heart cath. If you're having a heart cath, you have heart problems. They looked at, they looked at MRIs, they've looked at pictures, they go, wow, you know, you've got some blockage there.

[00:06:09] We're going to go in, and while we're in there, we may stint you. I very few hard cats don't stent at the same time, and all these men received stents, almost all of them. Then they would prescribe testosterone. And they will follow it up for two years. And the men who were in the testosterone group had a slightly higher, what is considered considered statistically significant.

[00:06:38] But you know how those numbers are sometimes a rate of reoccurrence of infarction. So the study basically concluded, uh. Men on testosterone replacement therapy, higher risk of cardiovascular events.  when when you look at the study and [00:07:00] you realize they knew they actually had this information, otherwise I wouldn't have found it and other people wouldn't have found it.

[00:07:06] They actually showed that of the men that received 24 months prescription for testosterone, and I don't recall the exact number right now. But 8% seems to keep jumping up at me. I talked about this on superhuman TV. I talked about this. That was, you know, five years ago. Um, a percent of them actually had renewed their prescriptions month to month.

[00:07:30] The balance of them got either first prescription filled and maybe even second, and then stopped using. So the reality is that had anyone paid attention to that one little slippery detail. They could have never said. They would've said men prescribed testosterone, but don't use it. Have a higher increase, increased rate of cardiovascular avascular events.

[00:07:55] But that's not popular. And so the the, and, and, and [00:08:00] here's an, I'll prove to you now with critical thinking, and you will love this. Remember right after that that there was the, the uh, law firms on Facebook class after your lawsuit where you prescribed testosterone, did you have a heart attack? You remember those?

[00:08:17] Do you see them anymore? I don't see them. No. No, because what if you ever read the comments on those threads? It was like, testosterone changed my life. This is BS. You know, I've been on testosterone six years, know how to, it was like not what they want, that they, they tapped the wrong group. They thought we were all going to get on the bandwagon.

[00:08:36] The reality is the majority of men prescribed testosterone who haven't had a cardiac event already. You know, thrive. Right?

[00:08:47] Ronnie Milo: [00:08:47] Yeah. I mean, what they're doing is they're there, they're providing information to kind of turn you off from the process. Right. The information that that is actually pretty significant is withholding.

[00:08:56] Yet, I've got a special guest here and he wants to say, hello, [00:09:00] this is a, this is wind straw.

[00:09:02] Carl Lanore: [00:09:02] Oh, is that really his name?

[00:09:03] Ronnie Milo: [00:09:03] Yes. His name Winstrol

[00:09:05] Carl Lanore: [00:09:05] what? What is he?

[00:09:06] Ronnie Milo: [00:09:06] Uh, he's a great Dane.

[00:09:08] Carl Lanore: [00:09:08] Oh, wow. He's big. Yeah. Boy, that's funny. So God, you were saying, you were saying.

[00:09:14] Ronnie Milo: [00:09:14] So what they're doing is they're withholding the information because they want to turn you off from the HR or hormone replacement, obviously.

[00:09:20] Um, you know, uh. Protocol or whatever the case may be. So the studies are showing you are basically based on turning you off from HRT. Right. And we get this question all the time with the clinic, right? The first three questions is, what we're going to cover today, obviously, is, you know, does testosterone cause cancer?

[00:09:38] Just testosterone cause heart attacks, and then how long does it take to work? Right? And I think we're going to definitely discuss that today, obviously. Yeah. Uh, and it's, it's, it's one of those questions, like, we do have to identify those, right? Because we get more and more patients now we're where we're cranking.

[00:09:54] I mean, we're cranking since the first of the year, right? Uh, and a lot of listeners are coming from superhuman radio, so, so thank [00:10:00] you for that. So, um, you know, with that said, is. You know, we get the questions and they, like you said, they're on the fence, right? They're on the fence with it. You know, they're reading information that are online, and I always tell them,

[00:10:11] Carl Lanore: [00:10:11] when you Google

[00:10:12] Ronnie Milo: [00:10:12] HRT hormones from a replacement testosterone, the first three pages on Google are, are government funded.

[00:10:20] Right web MD health line, and they're going to tell you all about information. If you really want to get the good information, you've got to go maybe the 10th page, 11 page, and Google to find the really good information. Because like I said, they're withholding it from us because it's a big secret, right?

[00:10:36] If they, if we could fix you with hormone replacement, then all these other symptoms and these problems would go away.

[00:10:41] Carl Lanore: [00:10:41] They don't want you to know that. Well, and in fact, last year sometime Google decided to start to. Race, um, information as valid or invalid and anything that was considered alternative. [00:11:00] Uh, they actually pushed all the way like, like dr Joe Macola love him or hate him.

[00:11:06] The guy's a pioneer. Uh, what he did made other people go, wow, we want to be, Macola is too, he gave birth to a lot of little Mercola's. Trust me. So they deemed, uh, he, his information, uh, is, you know, re it's dangerous for consumers to, uh, to read. So he lost literally like 50% of his traffic overnight. It literally crushed him.

[00:11:35] And it's really interesting because it's a form of censorship. What they did done, but they did it through an algorithm. So when you search for things, they know, they know. How deep people go searching. Oh no, people never go past the fourth page. We just need to get them into the Ted page. No one will ever see this stuff again.

[00:11:52] And that's when I,

[00:11:53] Ronnie Milo: [00:11:53] when I pull a lot of my studies, man, I'm, I'm, sometimes I'm in the 20th page, 21st page, you know, I [00:12:00] got to get, dig deep because everything on the surface, there's an agenda and we know that, right? So when I'm trying to pull, you know, research that we talk about on the show or research to show clients about hormone replacement, and I'm.

[00:12:13] I'm pretty deep in Google and it's pretty impressive to see how far and how deep they buried these things.

[00:12:18] Carl Lanore: [00:12:18] You know what I mean? And it's no accident. You know, people are going to go, well, they're just not popular. They can't get popular. Right. You know, people depend like 80% of all, uh. Website visits are generated through Google.

[00:12:36] People will Google the name of a company that they know the URL for and wait for Google to bring it up and then click it to go to their website. They don't realize they actually costing that company most likely click money just to, instead of typing out the URL. But people today don't just search with Google, they use it as a portal to get to the their, their favorite websites every morning.

[00:12:58] Right.

[00:12:58] Ronnie Milo: [00:12:58] Because it's quick and [00:13:00] convenient to them. Right. Uh, also too funny story, when I was a firefighter, we used to get called, obviously people would access nine one, one. We get to the house, what's going on? I don't feel good. Okay, what's going on? Well, I went on web MD and it says, I have X, Y, Z. And we're like, that's your first mistake, right?

[00:13:17] You web MD, right? And everybody goes on web MD. And then we're like, okay, can we do an evaluation? She goes, well, the patient would be like, no, I have this web MD says, it's, you have to take me to the hospital. Well, like, we understand that we still have to make an evaluation of you to determine what the product of the problem could be.

[00:13:33] Uh, and then they have fight with us. You know, they would fight with us, you know, and obviously we'd have to package them up, take them to the hospital, you know, and the hospital's like, what does this, I'm like, web MD, you know what I mean? Self-diagnosis of web MD. Ah,

[00:13:45] Carl Lanore: [00:13:45] sir, look, a marked decor. So put something up here.

[00:13:48] This is probably a lot of people's experience. I really do believe that this is, I'm very leery of recommending people a testosterone replacement therapy because I have no faith in the [00:14:00] doctors. I've had a doctor try and give me 200 milligrams a week and say, I'll see you in a year. Or doctors only want to give you 100 milligrams.

[00:14:11] Which is true. They a lot of times they, they very, very underdose what's needed for the guy. Hold on, let's start there. So he's lost faith in doctors. And it's true because nowadays getting HRT, you have to find a specialist because if you go into the average doctor, like my brother-in-law John, I got him on testosterone about a 10 or 11 years ago.

[00:14:39] And, uh. And, and when he first started going, the doctor was giving him a hundred milligrams every two weeks. Of course, then the God doctor's mind is like, well, men make 10 milligrams a day. Uh, you know, his 10 days worth, uh, you'll come in in the fourth day, we'll give you another shot. They don't [00:15:00] understand the pharmaco dynamics of a sippy and  Ester, which basically is.

[00:15:08] Released over 28 days, but the first three to four days, 50% of the dose is delivered. So that means the balance of the 24 days, you're basically getting maybe a couple milligrams a day because they never, they, they look at 200 milligrams as testosterone. No, it's testosterone. And in fate, only about 72 or 76% of that oil is testosterone.

[00:15:32] The rest of it is the NM fate Aster or the Sipion eight Astro. Right. So they, they, he's right. And I understand why people have lost faith in doctors. I really do. In this area.

[00:15:41] Ronnie Milo: [00:15:41] Yeah. We get it all the time. So if you look at the trending industry or the trending space for HRT, it's booming right down here in Miami, there was an HRC clinic on every corner because a lot of physicians feel that they can make a lot of money in this space.

[00:15:59] With not a [00:16:00] lot of education on it. Right. So our job obviously is to, to, to filter out the doc, the bad doctors. I mean, I wouldn't say bad doctors, insufficient doctors. Right. Cause they're still doctors. I just don't want to sell the medical school. So to separate them from us and with us is patient care, uh, follow ups and monitoring.

[00:16:20] Right. Like when you start a program with us, I'm on the phone with you for the onboarding. I'm on the phone with you for the review. I'm on the phone with you afterwards to go over your protocol to go over your directions and what we recommend taking. Then I follow up in two weeks. Uh, one month, one and a half months and two months.

[00:16:38] And I always tell our patients to, I have an open door policy. Uh, I always give everybody my cell phone if they have any issues, any concerns, any questions in the process, you can go ahead and call myself the phone. Cause you know, if you call a regular doctor's office, you're not getting on the phone with the doctor.

[00:16:50] Right. So with that, it's more of a. Um, accountability standpoint on our end to make sure that a, they're taking the right medications, they're taking the right dosage, and we're [00:17:00] leaving eating a lot of the symptoms that they're getting. A lot of these doctors will go, here's your testosterone, right? 100 milligrams every two weeks, I'll talk to you.

[00:17:07] And 365 days. Well, the face has probably got a million questions. The patient's probably having some side effects and they're not able to go and able to follow up with them because you call the doctor's office, you're going to get the assistant right. And the doctor's not gonna be able to talk to you.

[00:17:21] So that's what kind of separates us from any other clinic is, you know, we follow up on a consistent basis, right? Because this is, we're not, we're not selling supplements. We're selling hormones, right? Right. And this is people lives. So my main objective too is like, look. I want to protect you now, but I want to protect it.

[00:17:36] You're 65 75 85 years old. Right. With that said, there has to be some kind of communication in between, so that's why I made sure that, you know, you could call, email, text me, send me a Facebook messenger or Snapchat.

[00:17:48] Carl Lanore: [00:17:48] I want to put Mark a second half of his state, more of a statement than anything else. And I want to speak to this for a second cause I'm pretty sure I understand why this happens and I think that you're going to [00:18:00] say yes, that's what I find to

[00:18:02] He said I'm okay. I didn't know any better. My first doc tried to give you 200 milligrams a week. Estrogen would be out of control and you'd have high. So he, his hematocrit went up, his red blood cell count went up. So you got to ask yourself a question Mark. When you apply critical thinking  you had testosterone your whole life as a young man, and you probably didn't have high hematocrit, high red blood cells or high estrogen.

[00:18:30] Mmm. So why now? And here's why you would be better off using a transdermal testosterone that you rub on every morning, because not everybody's body is as sensitive to this, but some people are very sensitive and you're one of them. Testosterone pulses every day around two 82 between two and 4:00 AM in the morning.

[00:18:56] It pulses and then it wanes pulses, and then it [00:19:00] wanes when you take a shot. This is what you get over the course of weeks. So the thing that causes the increase in red blood cells, the increase of an estrogen for you is this abnormal delivery. This, it's not the testosterone. It's how it's delivered, how it's administered, the length of time that it peaks and then drops as opposed to this gentle daily rhythm that your body has gotten used to.

[00:19:27] If you had gone to transdermal creams, which may not be practical for you because you may have young children in the house and you don't want to cross contaminate, but I predict you wouldn't have had problems with red, red blood cells, estrogen or anything else. Okay. You, you, you tell me what you think.

[00:19:44] Yeah, so, so

[00:19:44] Ronnie Milo: [00:19:44] we do two to the, uh, applications at the end. Yeah. To clinic. We do injectables and then obviously we do the creams and, uh, with the creams we see a lot less side effects, a lot less increasing of hematic or hemoglobin red blood cell count. We see a lot less increasing a [00:20:00] PSA increased of estrogen.

[00:20:03] A lot less decrease in SHBG. It's a safer, it's a more safer approach, but they're also concerned, like you said, cross

[00:20:11] Carl Lanore: [00:20:11] nomination. If you have young children in the house, you actually have to wash your clothes separately than anybody. Everybody else's. I mean, I, I could tell you that, um, when I had first compounded transdermal trend Balone to put out on the boards to show people how to do it, um.

[00:20:30] My clothes smelt like trend below. They smelled like piss. Yeah. If anybody who's used tread knows that smell has a smell, and I, I had a, I had to wash them separately cause I had a yacht. My daughter was not even nine yet, you know what I mean? It was like I didn't want that and so I literally washed my clothes separately.

[00:20:49] Ronnie Milo: [00:20:49] Yeah. You gotta you gotta be very careful too. Cause I've had a patient that was doing the application cream and it got, his wife got exposed and her, she got her blood worked on it went from her testosterone low from 30 to [00:21:00] 127. You know, and she wasn't using any hormones. I said, well, she's probably feeling pretty good.

[00:21:04] And she was like, yeah, she feels amazing, so we'll just be very careful, you know, when you administer it, you know, not to touch her or, you know, obviously sleep in the same bed. So actually how to transition him to such an injectable. Right. But a lot of people, a lot of people don't want to go down the injectable route, you know what I mean?

[00:21:20] They don't want to go down the injectable route because they think, uh, it's the dark side, the dark

[00:21:26] Carl Lanore: [00:21:26] side, dark side. I mean, I know people that, I remember when I was about. 11 or 12 years old. No, actually I was 13 we had just moved to Queens and some friends of mine in Brooklyn was saying, you're going to start smoking call.

[00:21:40] Hell no, I'm never going to smoke. Smoking is bad for you. As soon as I got there to Queens, I turned 14 I was smoking cigarettes. Right. You know what I mean? It's like going to the dark side takes little steps throughout your life, but then it gets darker and darker every time you take the next step. When people look at it.

[00:22:00] [00:21:59] Injecting anything even sub cue like, Oh no. That's where I draw the line. I'm not going to become a junkie. You're not a junkie.

[00:22:08] Ronnie Milo: [00:22:08] And we find out you, a lot of people have needle phobias, right? They have phobias and needles.

[00:22:12] Carl Lanore: [00:22:12] To this day, I still get all worked up when I got to stick that thing in my ass to this day.

[00:22:16] And how long am I, I mean, Jesus, if I had calculated every injection I gave myself from 2007 forward, whew.

[00:22:26] Ronnie Milo: [00:22:26] No. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I found that out when I used to work at the clinic down here in Miami. We used to do blood draws and you know, people come in and you're like, uh, do you have any needle phobia? No.

[00:22:34] As soon as you stick that needle in there and they're sleeping,

[00:22:36] Carl Lanore: [00:22:36] you know what I mean? DOH. Speaking of needles, Tim Andel says, my urologist gave me a 23 gauge, one and a half inch needle in my quad, dropped him after that. He said sub Q wouldn't absorb, which is nonsense, but you know what. We are on the tip of the spear with sub Q.

[00:22:57] I'm going to tell you something and it's the truth. [00:23:00] I'm the first person to ever openly talk about subcue injections. In 2010 and in 2012 I had dr John Crisler on this show and I said, I started doing sub Q. Um, it was, you know, I just got tired of sticking my, my up, my quads, my hips, you know. Oh my God.

[00:23:18] And I thought, Oh, what the hell? And I, you know, I remember the first time I did it, I put a whole CC on the, on the, uh, the, and the two days later I had like, it looked like I had a tumor growing under that. Yeah. But I backed off my dosing. Did more frequently, and I told Chris, Laura about it on the show, and Jason Lulu just messaged me, uh, a couple months ago saying he was listening to that show on the stream when the stream was up.

[00:23:42] And he said to me, that's a bad idea. You better not do that. More of it's going to aromatase coaster. It's in the fat cell plus it necrotizing to the fat cells. And he gave me this analogy about taking. A hot oil filter off of a car and dropping it in a plastic bag, how it's going to melt through, which made no sense to me, but I respected the guy and I, you [00:24:00] know, like I'm still going to do it.

[00:24:02] Nobody was talking about sub Q and then he writes a book about sub Q. Okay.

[00:24:07] Ronnie Milo: [00:24:07] Yeah, I get that question all the time. You got to do some two shots and it's all whatever the patient's comfortable with. Right. If you need to stop. How are we going to get in? The system is up to you. And I always give you that option because it's, you know, you have people that, you know, like I said, needle phobias.

[00:24:23] They don't want to, uh, you know, expose their, their loved ones, their kids and stuff like that. So I was giving them the opportunity to do it as a safer approach. You know, the creams are safer to keep blood levels stable, less side effects. And then testosterone injectables, we don't do 200 milligrams at once.

[00:24:39] We break them up by weekly. You do a hundred milligrams on Monday on a milligrams on Thursday, keeps blood levels stable. Then we see we labs, and then we don't see a rise in hematocrit and hemoglobin a. We don't see a rise in estrogen. We don't see the side effects could do to high testosterone or high estrogen, and it just keeps blood levels stable.

[00:24:57] People feel a lot better on it. So like I [00:25:00] said, I was given the opportunity to do what's best for them. Plus a lot of people travel. Right. We do a lot of high end executives, CEOs, celebrity actors. They're on

[00:25:08] Carl Lanore: [00:25:08] the radio. And the convenience play plays a big role in anything anybody does today. I don't care what it is.

[00:25:14] Ronnie Milo: [00:25:14] And that's one of the big things I always ask what they do for a living. And as they travel a lot, cause we have a lot of people that travel overseas, you know, and they just don't want

[00:25:20] Carl Lanore: [00:25:20] to, you can't, well no, a lot of places you can't take it. Remember sly Stallone got arrested going into some country because he had growth hormone and testosterone Australia and he's fricking sliced the loan.

[00:25:31] I mean, if he, if the news didn't cover it, they probably would put him in jail and left them there for awhile. Um, and Mark the course though, says, luckily my dad is a doctor and Mark takes 80 milligrams twice a week, kind of like the protocol you recommend. And he also takes a quarter milligram of eczema stain a week and, uh, he's good to go.

[00:25:50] And that's it. You know, you found, you found where you need to be and I get it. The average doctor doesn't know we have to take a break. That's why you have to work with [00:26:00] companies like renew life RX, Christa, not she guys like Milo are more valuable as advocates for you. They, you know, you're not going to deal with the doctor who doesn't get it because what you decide as a patient is what the doctor ends up doing and that is.

[00:26:25] Only what works out to be the best for men today. This is, this is really important. You know, I was just talking to a friend of mine this morning who was telling me that he's getting close to my age. He still carries a lot of muscle. He still has a lot of energy and you know, and he just realized, it's like, of course he's been on testosterone for a decade now.

[00:26:45] So it's one of those things that pays off, and sometimes you may not notice the pay off. Until one day you go to yourself, man, I don't look like any of the other 61 year old guys at the gym at all. You know? It's like, Oh, I know why. Let's take a break. We'll be right back. [00:27:00] This is the superhuman channel doing reps with the weight of the world.

[00:27:09] Welcome back, talking with Ronnie Milo from renew life RX, renew life rx.com. If you are inquisitive, you want to know more about HRT or maybe peptides, maybe you've been swept away with all this amazing stuff about peptides. Did you hear the peptide show about neuropathy, neuralgia and fibromyalgia?

[00:27:32] Ronnie Milo: [00:27:32] Yeah, I heard that one.

[00:27:33] Then I also watched the, uh, the one from TaylorMade Ryan Ryan did about the a, was it a, a R? A what does that peptide, is that

[00:27:43] Carl Lanore: [00:27:43] the only time. Oh, no. The ARA, ARA two 90 was is the one for neuropathy. That's been a tide, I think. Uh, Ryan came on and talked about small molecule, um, the five, uh, methyl one MQ or five, five [00:28:00] amino one MQ.

[00:28:00] I'm, I'm actually taking it. Yeah, I'm

[00:28:02] Ronnie Milo: [00:28:02] actually, yeah, we have a couple people on the clinic on it already. I haven't personally taken yet, but I heard it's good reviews.

[00:28:09] Carl Lanore: [00:28:09] So I actually texted Ryan this morning and said, um. Have you gotten reports of better muscle growth? Let me, cause my Joseph, my weekly dose is pretty much stayed the same for, you know, at least over a year.

[00:28:24] Right. And I, but now I am eating more frequently and I'm going to tell you about that later in the show when, Oh, after you go, I've got a couple of things I want to get off my chest. I am eating more frequently and I'm consistently getting. Above 230 grams of protein and closer to two 60 a day consistently every day.

[00:28:45] So that has something to do with it as well, but there's no doubt about it that, um, my body's changing again. Right at 61 I'm like, . I, I ain't, you know what? I'm so proud of my age. And when people ask how old I am, instead of saying 61 I say, [00:29:00] Oh well I'm going to be 62. It's like, cause it's even more what you know, it's going to be 62 sounds like, wow, this guy's a great shape.

[00:29:06] 61 is like, this guy's in good shape. You, I'm actually

[00:29:12] Ronnie Milo: [00:29:12] average 61 year old and they don't, they don't look good as good. Right. You know what I mean? So, um, yeah. Ryan also said that it increased his vert. Is vertical jump on the five amino Q. So interesting to see. You said, I haven't personally taken it myself.

[00:29:28] I'm going to do it. Uh, cause I'm coming off a different stack right now. So, uh, once I come off that I'm going to try it.

[00:29:34] Carl Lanore: [00:29:34] But you know, if you're, if, if you're interested in these things, if you hear these things on the show and you think you have to cheat, where can I get that? This is where you can get it.

[00:29:41] Go to renew life. rx.com there's a girl on Instagram. I have to put you in touch with who said that the SHR code is not working. I didn't know there was a place to put the code. I thought it was when they talk to you when they ordered their blood work that they got the discount. Yeah. I

[00:29:55] Ronnie Milo: [00:29:55] talked to a lady this week and she said same thing and it's

[00:29:59] Carl Lanore: [00:29:59] not a [00:30:00] part of that.

[00:30:01] Ronnie Milo: [00:30:01] You just mentioned it to us cause I always ask like, how'd you hear about us? That's like the first part of the onboarding. How'd you have on us right. Well, superhuman radio, obviously. Uh, so blood work is typically four 99, but with superhuman radio, the blood work comes to two 99.

[00:30:15] Carl Lanore: [00:30:15] You know, I just paid, uh, so, you know, some people go out and buy shoes and some people go out and buy clothes, and some people like to splurge and buy expensive alcohol.

[00:30:25] I like to have my blood tested, so I'm weird. I go, I go to any lab test now, I probably drop at least $400 a month at any lab test now because, Oh, I wonder what this level is. I wonder what that level is. So that's what he will spend having that blood work done is no matter what you do with renew life RX, having that blood work done is valuable to you to look at yourself.

[00:30:48] Right.

[00:30:49] Ronnie Milo: [00:30:49] I saw, I knew, I knew the blood work to renew life, but then also I give blood every three months as well. And that's a many, many physical, many, many blocks. You know what I mean? And that's free.

[00:30:58] Carl Lanore: [00:30:58] Yeah. Yeah. I, I'm a big [00:31:00] believer in that as well. So let's talk about the onset of changes. That occurs. So I have my own experience.

[00:31:06] I'll chime in later. What do you see in your patients? So they, they're on testosterone for how long? Once you've, once you've zeroed in the dose and you know that they're not producing too much red blood cells, how long are they on before they start going? Men? I feel different.

[00:31:23] Ronnie Milo: [00:31:23] Yeah, so that's a good question.

[00:31:24] So all, all our programs are based off of 90 days, right? So people ask us as a lifelong commitment. Is it a monthly, is it weekly? Is a yearly. So basically we do 90 day programs, right? And then that 90 days we reevaluate CA if we need to redo bloodwork. B, if you're, if you enjoy them, if you're enjoying what you're doing and you're feeling better, we can continue the process.

[00:31:45] We can make some tweaks as needed. But typically the question I usually get asked is, what am I going to start feeling the benefits right. So obviously I always try to look things up. I don't, I don't like to make things up. So I found some, some reference ranges that a group of [00:32:00] peers did, uh, on the internet.

[00:32:02] And it breaks down into different categories. First one is sexual interest. Sexual one is erections and Jackie relations. Third is quality of life. Fourth, there's depressive mood. Shift is body composition. Six is bone mineral density, seventh is lysimeter control, and eight is inflammation.

[00:32:20] Carl Lanore: [00:32:20] And then it gives you more weight and there's a  the one that actually, so you may be the most important one and the application of day to day life, your ability to manage stress goes up so dramatically.

[00:32:35] Absolutely. Things just don't frazzle. This is what I was talking to my buddy this morning about. You know, when I was going through my divorce, I was on fairly high doses of androgens. My ability to have police knocking at my door, and you know, it's like the whole rigmarole. I was kind of, I was, I was just not bothered by it at all.

[00:32:56] So it's quite the opposite that you become a raging lunatic. It's quite the [00:33:00] opposite.

[00:33:00] Ronnie Milo: [00:33:00] Quite the opposite for sure. So, so they broke these down from zero to 180 weeks right? And obviously the low side would be, you know, uh, one to three weeks. And then the high side would be all we have to 180 weeks. So the sexual, and it all depends too on the patient, right?

[00:33:18] It all depends on what their baseline blood levels, uh, testosterone, blood levels look like. If there some 500, it could take longer. After, uh, over 500, it can be shorter. And, and everybody's different because everybody has different genetics, right? It impacts everybody. And then also we have to eliminate the, uh, the placebo effect, right?

[00:33:36] Cause we think that, so we think that, uh, you know, should we take our first injection, man, I'm ready to go. I'm bench precedent and I'm running around like,

[00:33:44] Carl Lanore: [00:33:44] actually, actually there's a danger in that we'll talk about later. Go ahead. Go ahead. Right.

[00:33:48] Ronnie Milo: [00:33:48] So, so basically this is what this does. It does an upper, uh, lower, upper and maximum reach benefits.

[00:33:54] So, you know, uh, the time course of testosterone affection weeks. So sexual interest, you [00:34:00] start to feel the lower end side in three weeks,

[00:34:03] Carl Lanore: [00:34:03] and

[00:34:03] Ronnie Milo: [00:34:03] then the maximum benefit weeks in six weeks, uh, erections, uh, 12 weeks, minimum, maximum, 26 weeks, quality of life, three weeks, maximum, 78 weeks. A depressive mood, you start seeing a decrease in a depressive mood in three weeks, maximum of 30 weeks, body composition, 12 weeks.

[00:34:24] And that's a big part too. Uh, and then the maximum

[00:34:27] Carl Lanore: [00:34:27] people could see that that's the one they really care about. Right. Say it again. How long was it? Uh,

[00:34:32] Ronnie Milo: [00:34:32] the maximum

[00:34:32] Carl Lanore: [00:34:32] was 52 weeks. 52 weeks.

[00:34:35] Ronnie Milo: [00:34:35] He wants to

[00:34:37] Carl Lanore: [00:34:37] put him on your lap, right? So. And the reality is the way you feel. I'm going to tell you, if you're, if you're, if you don't have a lot of underlying health issues, which probably would probably preclude you from even considering this.

[00:34:56] Um, it takes about two weeks to [00:35:00] really feel something like, man, something's different. I just feel good. I want to be, I'm playful. I'm happier. Um, the analogy that I gave on this show back in 2005. I'm sorry, 2007 cause I didn't go on, I was still playing around with performance ahead of the drugs and I crashed my endocrine system.

[00:35:21] And so there was no, I tried Clomifene I tried HCG. I tried, uh, all sorts of herbs. I constantly testing my blood. It couldn't get my testosterone to come up about 400. And I figured, well, you know, uh, probably I'm going to have to be on HRT for the rest of my life. So I got on in 2007 and. The analogy I gave on this show back in 2007 was imagine that you live in a big warehouse and there's a hundred of these high pressure sodium lamps in the ceiling, and every year just one light went out.

[00:36:00] [00:36:00] So you became accustomed slowly to, it's getting dimmer in here. But because it's happening so slow, it's just you really don't even notice it. And then one day somebody comes in and says, Hey, there's 40 of those light bulbs out. I'm going to change him for you. And he changed them and you go, Holy crap. Is this how bright it used to be in here?

[00:36:22] Ronnie Milo: [00:36:22] Right? You could get an outlet. Because a lot of people, when they're on testosterone, they'll call me back and they're like, man, let me turn the lights on.

[00:36:28] Carl Lanore: [00:36:28] Yeah, they will say that, right? Yeah. There you go. So, so, but here's the danger in this. So in two weeks in, you're going to start feeling like your old self, but that's all up here.

[00:36:47] Ronnie Milo: [00:36:47] Yeah. We'll see though.

[00:36:48] Carl Lanore: [00:36:48] The body is still that wretched and casement that you've created over the past 30 years. So you're going to be like, I think I'm going to go for a jog. Don't. I [00:37:00] think I want to go, I haven't written a bicycle in 30 years. I think I'm gonna go take my bike out. It's, you know, no don't, or better yet.

[00:37:07] I think I'm going to carry my wife to bed tonight and make love to her. No, don't. Cause if you haven't picked her up and carried her even across the threshold in 30 years, don't try to take her to the bedroom. Make love tour, or you'll be on the floor. She'll be calling nine one one because you feel better before your body starts to upgrade.

[00:37:27] Right? So you gotta be responsible, don't, because one of the fatalities that ruins it for the rest of us. Yeah.

[00:37:33] Ronnie Milo: [00:37:33] Don't, don't load the bar with four Oh five this the

[00:37:36] Carl Lanore: [00:37:36] ice. Yeah. I squatted four or five when I was in college. Man, I'm bigger and stronger now. I'm going to get on there and give it a shot. All I even tried three 15 yeah.

[00:37:43] Don't give it some time for everything to work. Right. And

[00:37:47] Ronnie Milo: [00:37:47] that's, you know, that's a big thing too, is a lot of people looking for body composition changes. And if you look into scale, you know, 12 week is the minimum and our programs are 90 days, so you're not going to start feeling the first [00:38:00] effects of body composition change until your second round.

[00:38:02] You know what I mean? So I'm not, I tell everybody the patient Ima time, but also too, you can still eat McDonald's.

[00:38:09] Carl Lanore: [00:38:09] You can't still, yes, yes. This is women too. I have a cousin who, uh, is so fat, so fat, poor thing. And she's little too. And, um. She went on HRT about, I don't know. Let's see. My sister was still alive, so let's say she went on HRT 13 years ago, uh, and she ended up getting, um, Nope.

[00:38:39] Brett. I don't know if she got breast cancer or ovarian cancer. But she blamed it on the HRT. She's, she's like, she looks like a dog food canned like round like that. Like that's how she's built. And I told my sister, I said, you can't blame that on HRT. When you get on HRT, you have more of a responsibility to [00:39:00] straighten out your life and straighten out your diet.

[00:39:01] I want to put this question up there real quick cause this is a good one from Len Moskovitz. Good friend of mine, Len used to run metrics. He is supplement industry royalty. And I'm, I'm so excited that he's here today. Uh, any thoughts on blood clots and TRT? Traditional docs? Pretty convinced there is a strong relationship.

[00:39:21] Cursory research confirms this, a tendency towards clotting, et cetera. What do you want to say about that?

[00:39:29] Ronnie Milo: [00:39:29] Uh, yeah, I mean, it could, it could happen, but it's all predisposition. It's a, it's all about monitoring the blood work too though, right? We want to look at red blood cell counts. We want to look at hematocrit and hemoglobin, but also MCH and MCV, uh, levels shows the size of the red blood cell count, and if it could be conducive to clotting.

[00:39:46] So that's one of the big factors you want to look for in the blood work. Uh, or else you'll, you'll have a predisposition for blood clotting. But I haven't seen, personally, I haven't seen any indirect or directly, uh, uh, correlation between [00:40:00] testosterone therapy and blood clots.

[00:40:02] Carl Lanore: [00:40:02] So, unless you are someone who genetically has the factor V variant, which would have produced, uh, blood clots even in your youth, um.

[00:40:17] Blood clotting has more to do with blood viscosity and, and a protein in the blood that makes red blood cells sticky. And you can manage those things with fish oil, ginger extract, a baby aspirin. So here, so here's, here's the thing, Lynn, if you have any kind of propensity for blood clotting, if you have sleep apnea and your D dimer score is high, they're going to say, no, you're not a candidate.

[00:40:46] For HRT, just because you'll be the one guy that gets on a party and has a heart, a stroke, and you'll want to Sue them. So it's safer to say no than it is to say yes. And so what [00:41:00] we have to look at is how badly do you think you want to be on HR to, do you really want to do your own research and bring it into a doctor?

[00:41:06] And even then, he may say, I don't care. I'm not signing off on it. Uh, it would be reckless. Um, I know women, um. Who have a propensity to clotting. They were doctors had no problem giving them oral contraceptives that are well known to create a increases in thrombotic index and lead to clotting, even in healthy girls.

[00:41:28] So doctors feel like testosterone, just not that important to take the risk, but obviously in having an unwanted child is, and women are women, so the doctors can subject them to anything they want, but it just depends on how bad you or whoever you're talking about wants to. Uh, get on that bandwagon.

[00:41:46] There is no reason why testosterone would increase clotting and red blood cell, which it does, but it doesn't if you using the daily application. This goes back to something I said earlier. You may not have been listening yet about the [00:42:00] postal tool nature of testosterone and the injection being foreign because it's like up all the time.

[00:42:06] So that person could get on transdermal testosterone at a reasonable dose a day that's delivering maybe 10 milligrams a day, monitor their blood quickly, like in the first week, the fourth week, you know, the seventh week, and just keep on checking to make sure their blood viscosity isn't changing and if it is even changing slightly fish oil, a baby aspirin, those types of things will actually fix the problem.

[00:42:30] What do you think? Am I off base.

[00:42:32] Ronnie Milo: [00:42:32] No, no, you're absolutely not off base, but it's also very important to put that in the health history questionnaire. If you are, uh, you know, if you're are prone to blood clots, so we could definitely bounce it off the doctor's head and see what he has to say about it. You know, cause like I said, we're not physicians.

[00:42:46] Right? We still have to clear with the doctor, uh, we can only give recommendations and it's the doctor's final say. So if he would do that or not. And like I said, majority of the time I haven't seen him say, no. Uh, Juliet, obviously. Uh, so like I said, I [00:43:00] don't, I don't have any experience with, uh, with anybody, uh, uh, having blood clots during the HRT or TRT.

[00:43:06] Carl Lanore: [00:43:06] I know a lot of women that have had blood clots, some dangerous ones, pulmonary blood clots because they were on . Oh, oral birth control. A lot of women, I mean, you know, and it's funny, they're disposable. I guess it's okay to do it to them. Just don't, just don't give it to a guy who wants to stop throwing cos he wants to be feel healthy and young and youthful.

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[00:43:41] happened. I'm on the right side. I'm on the side. I belong. Get back Jojo.

[00:43:50] Ronnie Milo: [00:43:50] I'm in a bedroom,

[00:43:51] Carl Lanore: [00:43:51] so, uh. Let's, uh, let's, let's go on a little bit further with the, uh, discussion of, uh, what [00:44:00] people will notice. And, uh, also there seems to be a Pew peculiar phenomenon when guys are on about a two year period. A lot of these, um, wonderful things that we become accustomed to associate with our TRT, they start to wane away.

[00:44:19] Uh, and so let's talk about that because it's actually a great comment by Mark de Corso that speaks to this that we're going to put up in a minute. Um, talk about two years up the road. What should guys be looking at?

[00:44:35] Ronnie Milo: [00:44:35] Um, yeah, so going back to that

[00:44:37] Carl Lanore: [00:44:37] graph,

[00:44:37] Ronnie Milo: [00:44:37] and this was, this was actually pretty interesting for me to, to look at.

[00:44:41] So bone mineral density, right? We're really start to see effects in bone mineral density increase until the 26 week Mark. And then the maximum at 156

[00:44:51] Carl Lanore: [00:44:51] and that makes sense. Cause bone is the, the slowest tissue turnover of any tissue we have, right?

[00:44:58] Ronnie Milo: [00:44:58] So, yeah, that basically takes the longest, [00:45:00] but you reap the benefits by staying on longer, you know, HRT and TRT, right.

[00:45:04] It's not just, you know, 90 day program and then stuff.

[00:45:06] Carl Lanore: [00:45:06] And I, and I would argue that much of the potentiation for bone mineral uptake. Is exerted by after dial and not the testosterone.

[00:45:19] Ronnie Milo: [00:45:19] Right. And we covered that and that show we should go. Very important. Uh, and then we start to see glycemia control happen around that 12 week Mark and then maximum a dusty 1552 week Mark.

[00:45:30] When I say maximum benefits reach, that's how long it takes to get to the maximum benefit. You don't see any added benefits after that, but it just maintains it. Right, right. It's not going to get, you know, it's not going to go more and more, so you're not going to grow a another foot or anything like that.

[00:45:46] It just maximizes the benefits at that 156 week Mark. Right. Um, so glycemia control, we started seeing that, that 12 week Mark and then maximum at that 52 week Mark, and then inflammation starts seeing decrease in inflammation within three weeks, [00:46:00] which is pretty fast.

[00:46:00] Carl Lanore: [00:46:00] And that makes sense because it's affecting glycaemic index.

[00:46:03] And we're going to go back to that. Good.

[00:46:04] Ronnie Milo: [00:46:04] Right. And then the maximum obviously benefits from there. Is that that 12 week Mark.

[00:46:08] Carl Lanore: [00:46:08] Now think about this for a second. What's the number one killer of Americans, men and women?

[00:46:18] Ronnie Milo: [00:46:18] Inflammation.

[00:46:19] Carl Lanore: [00:46:19] No heart disease. No. The number one reason on death certificates put in the United States for someone ceasing to live is heart disease.

[00:46:28] Heart attack. Aschemia I mean, the list goes on, but it's all under cardiovascular disease. But that's not true. The reality is it's insulin resistance because heart disease is a result of metabolic disorder. So if people will honest in the medical medical community, they would actually say, because even my father, when you know what they put on the, the, the, uh, death certificate of my father, they [00:47:00] put the death due to complications.

[00:47:03] Of diabetes, and I thought to myself, this, this doctor, he knows what he's talking about because my father, my father didn't die of a heart attack. His body just stopped working. But it's no different when you have a heart attack, it's because you've lived in an environment of high levels of glucose and insulin for way too long.

[00:47:24] So if testosterone controls glycaemic index in men. It should actually be one of the arrows in the quiver of a doctor treating you for type two diabetes. He says, Oh, your blood sugar is too high. The first thing we'll do is put you on Metformin. No, let's look at your testosterone levels. Damn, they are low.

[00:47:44] We're going to try testosterone first because this is actually something that has been present in your body before I stopped putting these foreign molecules that were made in a lab. It's your body or reproduced and synthesize and alive into your body what your body has never [00:48:00] been exposed to, but that's how we're going to fix your problem.

[00:48:03] But doctors don't look at testosterone for diabetes management. No, they

[00:48:07] Ronnie Milo: [00:48:07] don't. They don't teach that in school.

[00:48:08] Carl Lanore: [00:48:08] That's why. Yeah, it's scary. So let me put this up for a second. So when we start talking about, uh, up the road a little bit, um. Martha Costco says, uh, this is a more of an anecdote. He was on TRT.

[00:48:22] His sperm count went down, which is typical cause when you're getting exogenous testosterone, this phenomenon of spermatogenesis shuts off. In fact, test a testosterone is actually a good alternative to male. Uh, um, contraception. Contraception, excuse me. So. Sperm went down, his wife couldn't get pregnant.

[00:48:47] He started on HCG. His wife got pregnant, right? How important is it to start looking towards HCG? What should the patient be reply [00:49:00] telling you that makes you think, Oh, now it's time to introduce HCG?

[00:49:06] Ronnie Milo: [00:49:06] And that's a good question. And, and w and the process, the onboarding process, we always ask them, you know, if they are a candidate for HRT, is what's their plans in the future?

[00:49:14] Do they want to have a family? Do they want to procreate? Uh, and then the second one obviously is, are you okay with testicular atrophy? Right? Because if you do XY, just testosterone, we see a downregulation of LH and FSH, which causes testicular atrophy. Right? So those are the two things that we ask. If they do want to have a baby in the future, then we'll run HCG in tandem with, uh, with the testosterone.

[00:49:37] Uh, and if they're not okay with testicular atrophy, we'll do the same as well. But also with the blood work looks like, cause what we tend to see is once you get blood work done and your, your hypogonadism, LH and FSH, uh, is, is, is. Uh, elevated tenfold because it's trying to compensate on the low testosterone.

[00:49:56] So your body's trying to make merch more LH and FSH. [00:50:00] So what we see too is if you're, you know, LH and FSH is over 10, right? When we start the first round, we might not put you on HCG unless you, you still want to have a, you know, still want to procreate, are still worried about testicular atrophy. But then the second round, we'll go ahead and add HCG back in because we don't want shutdown of natural production to protect them.

[00:50:18] Right? Um, and it's all, it's all, you know, we always recommend HCG running in tandem with, uh, with testosterone. Some people don't want to do it, some people do, but we always recommend to Joe with it. It doesn't get off your natural production production to, to, to, to keep your body producing testosterone.

[00:50:34] Carl Lanore: [00:50:34] One of the greatest values of taking ACG is usually overlooked. And that is the ability to upregulate the progesterone, progesterone levels that a man . Um, if you're doing a daily HCG protocol, like dr Crisler promoted on my show years ago, which is a a hundred Ru's to 150, I use max [00:51:00] at night a day. I say, take it at night.

[00:51:03] You'll actually sleep better right before bed. Cause it luteinizing hormone triggered sleep. It's one of the S sleep signals because the body wants to make testosterone at night. And so you take a hundred I use before bed and. It also increases progesterone. You'd say, well, why is progesterone important?

[00:51:22] In fact, I've had, I've heard some doctors ignorantly refer to progesterone as a female hormone. The fact that our bodies make it means that's a lie, because if it was a female hormone, we wouldn't make any. That's it. But progesterone, uh, actually. Suppresses the production of the five alpha reductase enzyme.

[00:51:53] Five hour reductase steals testosterone and turns it into DHT. Guys who are sensitive to DHT, [00:52:00] after they're on for a couple of years, they'll start to notice, ma'am, my hair's thinning. I'm starting to get what happened to me. I wasn't a, I didn't use HGG for the longest time. Then I thought, why did I do that?

[00:52:13] I could have kept more of my hair than I have right now. And so, and progesterone plays a large role in mood and relaxation. Estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone are triad that helped manage blood sugar levels. Progesterone is very, very important hormone for men. And the way to keep it producing is by using HCG.

[00:52:37] Now, somebody up above, and I'm going to see if I can find this real quick, said. Don't the kidneys make some testosterone.

[00:52:45] Ronnie Milo: [00:52:45] Uh, they make DHA.

[00:52:46] Carl Lanore: [00:52:46] Right. Okay. And I want to get into that. So hold on a second. Um, Oh man, I'm sorry. I'm, I got to get a producer someday. I'll find your name while we're talking. So, so the, the [00:53:00] adrenals actually do make D, H E a, as you pointed out.

[00:53:05] And they, um, more importantly, they also make some estrogen. Yeah. And, and women, their adrenals make even more estrogen than a man's. And when women start to go through menopause and the ovaries start to fail, the adrenals pick up the Slack. And a lot of that leads to great deals of fatigue and inflammation because when the adrenals are not making core Costa roid but scurrying to make this really important hormone extra dial, which is, you know.

[00:53:36] That's really important to women. Uh, the adrenals will Peter out and they'll stop making corticosteroids and swelling. Inflammation, edema start to occur because the body's immune system just fights everything. Um, but yeah, the adrenals make the ATA, you said, right?

[00:53:53] Ronnie Milo: [00:53:53] Yeah, absolutely. And then also too, when you're on testosterone replacement, Bonnie stopped down-regulating DHA.

[00:53:58] So it was important to [00:54:00] supplement with the HTA as well.

[00:54:01] Carl Lanore: [00:54:01] Yeah. And that was a, actually a Jeff Clifton that posted that. And I'm sorry I couldn't, I'm going up and down. I was sold on ATG when I took 50 milligrams of DHA tea and slept like a baby. Interesting. Yeah. ATG makes you sleep.

[00:54:22] Ronnie Milo: [00:54:22] Dag can actually down-regulate cortisol as well because they work in the same, in the same pathway.

[00:54:27] Carl Lanore: [00:54:27] Well, D H E a also, um. Antagonizes insulin. Let me think about that. Antagonizes or agonizes when when DHA goes up, insulin goes up. So is that agonize? I always get those mixed up, man. I have to, I have to. I have to really memorize those. Uh, but any

[00:54:48] Ronnie Milo: [00:54:48] high amounts of cortisol down regulate, like you said, progesterone.

[00:54:51] Right? And we try, we test progesterone in a clinic and we can see if somebody is under a lot of stress because their, their progesterone levels or they come in almost [00:55:00] like the negative form. And I was asking my under a lot of stress and they're like, well, how'd you know? I said, your progesterone levels like 0.01 really?

[00:55:07] Carl Lanore: [00:55:07] Yeah. Are you a fan? Are you a fan for in creams doing a, a blend of a testosterone and progesterone

[00:55:14] Ronnie Milo: [00:55:14] if needed. Right. If needed. Uh, I haven't had too much experience with that. Uh, cause we usually get an elevation of progesterall with testosterone replacement, MDH, GA. Right. It kind of fixes that piece of the puzzle.

[00:55:26] Um, but we don't, um, some, there's some, some, you know, faces on in the clinic that a doctor does prescribed progesterone too, but it's, it's, uh, very, very few.

[00:55:35] Carl Lanore: [00:55:35] Uh, did we miss anything today? I think we've

[00:55:39] Ronnie Milo: [00:55:39] covered everything.

[00:55:40] Carl Lanore: [00:55:40] Okay. Even more. We went, we, we went to strike several times. That's all right. All right.

[00:55:45] So, uh, you can reach Ronnie Milo by going to renew life rx.com. Um, invest wonder health.

[00:55:54] Ronnie Milo: [00:55:54] If you want to send me a direct email is Milo, M I L [00:56:00] This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.. Uh, that's when that's my email that I work off on and I'll be able to, uh, answer any questions you

[00:56:04] Carl Lanore: [00:56:04] might have. Yeah. And you know what? It doesn't cost anything to make a phone call.

[00:56:07] It doesn't cost anything to educate yourself. It doesn't cost anything to get the answers to questions. And it doesn't mean that you have to do anything about it. You could hear all about this stuff and go, this is the greatest thing in the world. I'll continue to think about it. But you know, the more people that educate themselves about the beneficial effects of interventional endocrinology, not responsive endocrinology, Oh, something's broken, let's fix it.

[00:56:36] But actually manipulating. Uh, your body's hormones to think that you are still young. Cause that's what this comes down to. We're tricking the body and we're saying, no, we're not dead yet. Bring out your dead. I'm not dead yet. You will be. You're tricking the body, you're telling the body you can still have babies.

[00:56:57] You're still doing great, you're still virile. [00:57:00] You know there's still positive things in your future, which is really. The opposite of what happens when you get old and your testosterone levels just fall apart and you're mean and grumpy and your family doesn't like you anymore. Or it could be fixed. And if it, and if it turns out that you do it, I have friends that went on and then they just, you know, I didn't feel enough to justify it.

[00:57:18] So I, Hey, who want to say we're all frigging different if any 14 years on the air has taught me anything. How many times I had to change my point of view in the face of new information. And then I started to realize. Well, we keep thinking humans are all the same. We think where every one of us is exactly the same.

[00:57:37] So what works for me? It's got to work for you. You're doing it wrong, and it turns out no, everybody's got to find their own way, and that sucks because everybody wants to know what the silver bullet is. No silver bullet. I'm sorry to tell you that

[00:57:50] Ronnie Milo: [00:57:50] I'm in consistency.

[00:57:51] Carl Lanore: [00:57:51] All right, look, thanks for being here today, Ronnie.

[00:57:54] Ronnie Milo: [00:57:54] Thanks for having me again.

[00:57:55] Carl Lanore: [00:57:55] Okay, stay tuned. When we come back, I'm going to tell you about things that I'm a [00:58:00] dig in. I'm actually gonna do a little ranting. I don't think you're going to want to miss that man. When I used to rant on casual Friday, I'm going to revive that. Stay tuned. Move over superheroes.

[00:58:11] This is this superhuman channel.

[00:58:17] Fuck them back. Now it's just me and you. Nobody else is here. Just us. And we could talk like friends. Okay. Say stuff. We don't want other people to know what we think, how we feel. Oh, I'm in the sharing mood. So something happened this morning. So, um,

[00:58:37] legendary foods launched a much awaited, healthier version of a snack. Uh, called a tasty pastry. And really in order to do this in radio or without a sample of it to hold up in front of you, it's effectively, um, a pastry designed [00:59:00] like a pop tart that has nine grams of protein and four grams of net carbs, four to five grams of net carbs.

[00:59:13] And it's a really great alternative for somebody who hasn't had a pop tart in a long time cause you don't want that sugar load. You don't want that gluten. This is gluten free. You don't want the grain in it, you know, wheat and all that sort of stuff. Everybody's avoiding that today. And rightfully so because it leads to inflammatory response in the body.

[00:59:33] And so. You know, legendary foods is a sponsor of the show. They are a title sponsor, and they're very generous to be a title sponsor. Quite frankly, it's not a small fee to be a title sponsor of this show, but also more importantly, I have to believe in what you're saying to make you the title sponsor.

[00:59:53] Otherwise people got to go, wow, you suck, man. You really sold out, and I understand the [01:00:00] mission of legendary foods, and that is to create. Healthy, low carb alternatives to things that we no longer eat because they just don't fit our current diet template. And I think that's noble. Because if you can give somebody who's trying to lose weight desperately, a snack that doesn't have the impact of the snack they want to eat and you can help them get to their goal without feeling like they have to suffer so much that they have to do without anything.

[01:00:35] Sweet. Look, I have a sweet tooth. For some reason, my last meal in the evening isn't complete unless I have a little something. It could be berries, it could be a not, uh, it could be a halo top ice cream. Uh, and I'm sure people take issue with that. Well, that sugar alcohol, Carl. So this morning what happened on, on Facebook was, so I [01:01:00] posted this picture of the, uh, tasty pastry.

[01:01:05] And a few people got out on their soapboxes. I'm not a purist. They're like, Oh, Carl, this is processed. Oh, Carl, how can you eat things with, with the witch fake sweeteners and, and, and uh, and, and, uh, co food dye and stuff like that. And like, I didn't say anything at first, but then this one guy. We'll call him Steve, cause that's really his first name.

[01:01:29] And he's not my friend anymore. He unfriended me today and then deleted all of his comments, which I have to be honest, I'm sorry, but that's like the biggest pussy move in the world. And I don't mean tough guy. Let me fight with you like pussy, like you. Are so vapid and unable to handle any disagreement with your opinion that you're going to actually remove all the comments you made that led to that point.

[01:01:57] It's, it's just [01:02:00] fake. And so he, uh, he unfriended me. And because I disagree, I'm like, look, I'm not gonna eat a box of these a day, but what I wanted, he's a day and it satisfies me and it's an extra nine grams of protein. That's a win for me. And he, the last thing he said to me was, I've lost all respect for you.

[01:02:19] And I've typed, see ya. I don't care if you respect me, first of all, I don't know who you are, what you even contribute to the world, number one, but. You're probably a decent guy and you have a decent family and all that sort of stuff, but why should I care? I don't want your respect. I don't want anybody's respect.

[01:02:39] What I want to do is provoke people to think, and if you and I disagree, and the only way you can handle by disagreement is to tell me that I'm wrong, or you know what? Maybe I'm not wrong. And maybe I am, but this whole idea that it's my way or the highway are our society is [01:03:00] filled with people like this today and makes it impossible to make any progress in any area if you don't have a difference of opinion with people.

[01:03:09] That's the whole Mark of, of civilized intelligence is being able to talk about things that you don't agree upon and not becoming a pussy about it. I mean, come on now. And so, you know, I tried to den stay out of it. I didn't want to get back into it, but a fan of the show named Brandon Lobato, who's been listening to the show for a long time, he said, Carl, I've heard you many times wanting people not to go off the deep end and become a zealot.

[01:03:40] Your body of work speaks for itself. I'm not a purist frig. I'll go out to the jet, the creed and pound down, you know, 12 ounces of moonshine on a weekend sometimes, and I'm sure that if you look at these same people, these holier than thou, critical people will want to tell you what's good for [01:04:00] you based on what's good for them.

[01:04:02] When you meet these people, you find that they do all sorts of stupid things that you would never do, you would never think of doing. Another guy is Charles that did this and this thread. So what Charles did was he to ask me, how much are they paying you to pedal this Gar? But now I happen to know Charles takes a drug that's used for cancer and, and, and, and, uh, and, uh.

[01:04:27] Uh, organ rejection, which I take two, by the way. But there are a lot of people that look at Charles and me and go, you guys aren't risk takers. I mean, you're crazy. You're taking a drug that they give people for cancer and, and, and Regina anti-rejection from an organ transplant. You think that, Oh yeah, we're taking it cause there's a anti-aging value to them.

[01:04:47] So everybody's got their things that they'll defend. And it's right for them. And if I have to agree with you, in order for you to have respect for me, you can go F off [01:05:00] man, because I'm too old to start apologizing for who I am at this point in my life. And I'll put my health at 61 years old up against any of the 61 year old in the, in the audience.

[01:05:12] I'm not saying I'm going to be better than you, but I'll, I'll be able to hang with you so. I'm not interested in people's respect. What I really want to do is I want to spark an interest and inquisitiveness, a desire to learn more, and then apply. Critical thinking that you've done. Critical thinking is the result of all of your experiences.

[01:05:34] So the result of your critical thinking is always going to be better than a textbook answer for a solution. You're trying to find. Because it's the result of what you know, you can do what you've done before, how it's worked out before. So when you look at things that I even talked about on the show, and you think to yourself, man, Carl really missed the boat on this one.

[01:05:56] This is crazy. I would never do that. And you told [01:06:00] me that. I'd say, okay, no big deal. You know, find what's right for you. But it just frustrated. I mean, as you can tell. I don't think I've ever done this before in 14 years. I am not looking for your respect. I'm a peer. I'm one of you. I'm not up here. I'm not a guru.

[01:06:22] I'm not a specialist. I'm not one of these internet sensations today that has 49,000 followers telling people do this and do that, and they do it. Sure. There's some people that things work for, but there's some people that that doesn't work for them. You find your own way. That's what I'm telling you. I want to have individuals in the office and in the, in the audience.

[01:06:45] I don't want to have a bunch of group thinkers. If anything, the hallmark of a true superhuman is not being a group thinker is it's arriving at your own choices, making your own decisions based on your own experience using critical thinking. [01:07:00] And before I close the show, I have to say I'm wearing a red con one tee shirt today on the set.

[01:07:07] And that's because today is Aaron. Aaron Singerman his birthday. He's 40 years old today, and I have to tell you, um, I wish I lived closer to Aaron. I wish I could see him more often. Um, I'm so excited for. The next 40 years in his life because the guy is not only talented, but he's dedicated and he's comes from a really good place.

[01:07:33] He's got a great heart, and it shows in everything he does, and I just wanted to wish him a happy birthday. And those of you who know him, you know, go to Facebook, go to Instagram and wish him happy birthday. All right, that's it. I'm out. No show Friday. We already got next week, all booked great shows all week.

[01:07:51] You're going to want to tune in and pass it along to friends. Have a good weekend. [01:08:00] .