[00:00:00] [00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] Welcome back to another episode of super human radio. Today is February 6th to 2020. It's a really good show today. Uh, so I have two guests today. First hour, Ronnie Milo from renew life RX is going to join me and we're going to talk about emerging science. That's pointing to. Higher testosterone levels are better for men who have prostate cancer.

[00:00:25] And this show led that charge. I mean, we started talking about that in 2016 with dr Samuel den meet after his first study, and it's gotten better and better. Later in the show. We're going to be joined by a, uh, a member of the audience who actually has been on the show. And that is, uh, Phil Dunlap. He is a older guy like me, and he's still fighting MMA.

[00:00:49] And as a result of that, uh, uh, he's pitted up against a lot younger guys and he's going, come, come on a second hour of the show to talk about, uh, his upcoming fight and [00:01:00] we're going to help him try to promote that a little bit. Of course, this show is made possible through a dry, a generous grant from legendary foods.

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[00:01:31] Did you eat your tasty pastry yet? Okay, come in here. Brian. Come in here. Don't, I don't know if you can get down here with me. Kinda just lean in a little bit. So this is my buddy, Brian Tyler. Hey Brian. So what'd you think of that? Tasty pastry? It was phenomenal. Very, very, very good. Did you expect it to be that good?

[00:01:51] Seriously? You know, going into it, I didn't just because to me, you know. It's extra healthy. It usually in that good cause they take out all the sugars and all that other stuff, but [00:02:00] it was really good. And have you eaten pop tarts before? Yes, we get them for the kids at home, sadly. It's sad enough to say no.

[00:02:07] That was my next question. Would you get these for the kids? I would tell parents out there whose kids like pop tarts to get these instead. You know? Honestly, if I switch these for the ones they were eating now, they they, they would think probably they're better. Yeah, they do taste better. Okay, so that was completely impromptu.

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[00:02:45] okay. It's not Adam, it's Ronnie Milo. How are you doing, Ronnie?

[00:02:49] Ronnie Milo: [00:02:49] Good. How are you doing? My Ronnie,

[00:02:52] Carl Lanore: [00:02:52] my Brown, Ronnie, my PI. Zani.

[00:02:54] Ronnie Milo: [00:02:54] Yeah. I'm going by

[00:02:55] Carl Lanore: [00:02:55] going by a Guido. He's got a colon as Guido's.

[00:03:00] [00:03:00] Ronnie Milo: [00:03:00] Yeah. Yeah. Watch all that good stuff. Grease balls. You, you know it. I've been the MV called it . I'm sure you have to.

[00:03:07] Carl Lanore: [00:03:07] Yeah, of course. Of course. I had somebody called me one of the mud people one time. Yeah. I never heard that one before. I guess he's trying to say like, you know, we're, we're animals or something like that. Fun, you know, I, I mean, you know, I left it off. I don't care about that stuff. So you call me whatever you want, as long as you, as long as you, you know who I am.

[00:03:26] Call me what you want. Yeah. So anyway, God, I'm sorry.

[00:03:30] Ronnie Milo: [00:03:30] I saw everybody. You can call me whenever you want. Just don't call me late for dinner.

[00:03:32] Carl Lanore: [00:03:32] Yeah, yeah. We don't get upset, that sort of stuff. So, so Greg long, who is a former mr universe constantly posts on, uh, our threads right at the time that the show starts, these huge long paragraphs, which I can't read cause they're too long and they really don't contribute to the show.

[00:03:56] He's just promoting himself as Greg long. Uh, you know, mr universe. [00:04:00] And I think I've, I'm trying to think of, he's been on the show. I mean, I've had so many guests, I can't even keep track anymore, but, um, I think it's just funny. My brother-in-law John Finnegan, look at this very interesting. John, you're going to like this show, if you, those of you who've been listening to my show for, well, maybe not necessarily 14 years, but at least a decade, know that John reversed his own lymphoma.

[00:04:26] Using nothing but ginger extract and reducing carbohydrate consumption. His diet, they had a port in his belly already for chemo. They sent them in for the last scan and when he came back they said, the mass is gone. And I went with him to the doctor that day. Up in, uh, in Arizona, Northern Arizona, and I S uh, I, and I said to the doctor, an oncologist, he's been an oncologist for like 15 years.

[00:04:51] I said, how often have you seen this? He said, what? I said, the lymphoma, just go away like that. He goes, well, always goes away when we do chemo. No, no, no. I said, how [00:05:00] often have you seen the lymphoma go away before you did the chemo? He says, never. Yeah. But then when I told them it was ginger extract, he didn't want to hear anything when he, I said, you want to know how we did it?

[00:05:11] And he goes, sure. I said, we cut the carbs out of his diet, and he was using ginger. Odd. He didn't even let me fit it. Uh, it couldn't be that, but keep doing it if that's what makes you happy

[00:05:20] Ronnie Milo: [00:05:20] or med school. That's why

[00:05:23] Carl Lanore: [00:05:23] my brother-in-law, John, he reminds me. What I remember is when I was a little punk, a little punk.

[00:05:28] Okay. So there you go. Thank you for that. And then of course, uh, Damian Perez has a question. We'll get to it here in a little bit. Um, okay. So this is an important discussion because there's a lot of men out. There's a guy at my gym who I've known for maybe close to 17 years. He used to be a robust guy around my age.

[00:05:52] Now he's got a huge belly on him. He's withered away. His hair is turned all gray, and he, he walked through the gym like he's [00:06:00] exhausted. And he has been, uh. On androgen deprivation therapy now for about six years. If I'm six or seven years, and it's destroyed his life, it's destroyed. His lungs and androgen deprivation therapy is the mode of treatment for men with prostate cancer.

[00:06:21] Right, right.

[00:06:22] Ronnie Milo: [00:06:22] Yeah. Yeah. It's actually the study that you sent over medical castration.

[00:06:27] Carl Lanore: [00:06:27] And so the reason that we have medical castration is because in 1966, uh, two doctor's Huggins and Hodges, uh, castrated, uh, uh, I guess they, back then, I want to say it was rodents. Maybe not. It could have been humans. I don't know.

[00:06:44] I'm sorry. I'm all has to be, has to, has to, had to have been humans if they got the Nobel peace prize. But basically what they did was. It says right there, castration and men with metastatic prostate cancer, and they were able to slow, uh, and even reverse some of the [00:07:00] prostate cancers. And they attributed this to what testosterone.

[00:07:05] What, what these guys fail to realize is that when you cast straight men, they also stop producing estrogen. Because back then, testosterone was a male hormone. Astra was a female. I had somebody recently tell me, progesterone is a female hormone. I'm like, do men produce it? Well, yeah, in small quantities then how could it be a female hormone if men produce it too?

[00:07:31] Don't be a dummy. So they, they care straight at men. What they fail to realize is along with testosterone, men stopped producing estrogen, and that's why they get body fat because the body wants some estrogen and it can aromatase androgens. And what's left as an androgen is DTA. So they get more, they get fatter on ADT because the body is trying to get some estrogen, if nothing else.

[00:07:58] Ronnie Milo: [00:07:58] Right? And lower testosterone [00:08:00] also contributes to metabolic syndrome.

[00:08:02] Carl Lanore: [00:08:02] And that's why they all developed diabetes. All the guys on ADT get, they become insulin resistant, then they develop heart disease and then they die. They don't die from the prostate cancer, and keep in mind if they die of. Cardiac arrest, if they die of heart failure, if they die of kidney damage due to the diabetes, if they die of anything but prostate cancer, they go down on the list of successes, successes, the cure was successful.

[00:08:32] This may be part of the reason why ADT is still being used because it's killing men before they can die from prostate cancer. So it goes, so it looks like the gold standard.

[00:08:43] Ronnie Milo: [00:08:43] Yeah, I mean, in the study too, I mean, the study, those guys won the Nobel peace prize in 1966 I mean, it's 2000 you know what I mean?

[00:08:50] So, yeah, so answer's changed. The bodies have changed, you know, medications have changed. So these guys are stuck in the past,

[00:08:57] Carl Lanore: [00:08:57] you know what I mean? And again, they failed to [00:09:00] realize that there are other cascade of hormone changes that when you take a man's test, these likes, like luteinizing hormones stopped being produced.

[00:09:08] The body. No, it happens. What happens is the body produces luteinizing hormone that gets no testosterone, and eventually it raises, raises, raises, and then crashes. And there's no more LH either. There's no more follicle stimulating hormone either also

[00:09:20] Ronnie Milo: [00:09:20] disrupts thyroid function too.

[00:09:22] Carl Lanore: [00:09:22] So they're so cutting a man's testes off doesn't just produce a lack of testosterone or produces a lack of a lot of different things.

[00:09:30] So the idea that ADT is even valid today is shocking to me.

[00:09:35] Ronnie Milo: [00:09:35] And what's frustrating too is they all, they're all quick to point at testosterone, right? They're all quick to point and not other things. Right. They're quick to throw the test off to them under the bus, but they're not understanding the benefits of testosterone.

[00:09:47] Right. And that's, you know, that's one of the major questions I get. And I'm glad you got this study cause that's gonna show me, uh, some, some stuff this to share with our, with our customers that, that's one of the big questions, you know. [00:10:00] No, I heard, my doctor told me that testosterone will contribute to prostate cancer, right?

[00:10:04] And I'm like, no, that's not the case.

[00:10:06] Carl Lanore: [00:10:06] There were so many stupid doctors out there that won't even prescribe testosterone because they'll tell the men it's going to cause prostate cancer. Now, you know, I'm sad. When you've been educated about the intricacies of physiology and biology, but then you tie your hands by not thinking and using your brain.

[00:10:27] They give you the information to be a critical thinker, but, and, and see this is so they give you all of the, the pieces that you can be a critical thinker. But then they teach you not to be a critical thinker of medical school. Because if doctors thought about it, they say, well, wait a minute. Why don't 25 year old guys get prostate cancer?

[00:10:45] They've got the highest testosterone, uh, of, of, you know, of the age of men, depending on their age. We just lost Ronnie. He'll come back. Why? Why don't, why don't, uh, the, the, uh, Hey, we're going to put them on the other side now. Hold on. Uh, why [00:11:00] don't we see. There we go. There we go. Why? Why don't we see young men getting prostate cancer?

[00:11:07] it's the next logical question, and that makes you say to yourself, well, they, there's gotta be something else besides testosterone doing this has to be, yeah,

[00:11:16] Ronnie Milo: [00:11:16] there's a bunch of different factors. They know, like I said, they're quick to point it out. Testosterone right. And if you look at the study that you sent over, they did a study between 2011 2014 they, they tested 45 million patients and only at 1,424 came back with prostate cancer.

[00:11:34] Carl Lanore: [00:11:34] So this particular, this particular study was actually called changing beliefs of testosterone therapy and prostate cancer. So I did my first show in 2008 and I had doc, Dr. Paul godly. On the show. And he wrote a position paper that was published by the American, the, the journal of the American cancer society in 2008 [00:12:00] they came out then with this paper and the paper basically looked at a variety of different existing studies.

[00:12:07] You know, it was like a meta analysis of all these different studies. And they came away and they said, androgens don't cause. Prostate cancer, and I had him on the show and we talked about it. And in fact, I even asked him, I said, when you tease out the numbers, what, was there anything that correlated with a higher incidence of prostate cancer?

[00:12:29] And he said, yes, sex hormone binding globulin. So now, well, when we talk about, uh, what was it called, ma Madeline that we talked about last time, mega, mega Lynne

[00:12:42] Ronnie Milo: [00:12:42] Nebula.

[00:12:44] Carl Lanore: [00:12:44] You know, now we know that sex hormone binding globulin doesn't do anything without Megalodon. So Megalodon has to be in there too, so, okay, let, let, let's just leave that alone.

[00:12:53] So in 2008 the American, the journal of the American cancer society already said, don't blame androgens for prostate [00:13:00] cancer, yet no one paid attention. Now, dr Samuel den Mead was on my show in 2016 after publishing his first study. He took man with the most aggressive prostate cancers, and you're going to, you're not going to believe this when I tell you what he did, he gave them testosterone.

[00:13:24] He put them basically on a 250 milligram shot of testosterone once a month, which we already know that's not enough. His new study that he's doing right now, they using a faster acting testosterone and they're using it more frequently because what he determined from his study was it was the pulse, a very high, and then to drop off that actually rid these men of aggressive prostate cancer.

[00:13:56] It got rid of prostate cancer by giving these men [00:14:00] testosterone. That was the first study to be published that looked at testosterone as an intervention of therapy to treat prostate cancer.

[00:14:14] Ronnie Milo: [00:14:14] Interesting.

[00:14:15] Carl Lanore: [00:14:15] Now he's doing a second study right now, and it's more people and it's multi-centered, and I predict that they're going to.

[00:14:23] Uh, end up seeing the same things that they saw the first time. But as a result of that, other scientists have been looking at the correlation and the possible causation relationship of testosterone with prostate cancer. And this particular, these two doctors, Linda, Maya Yoon, and Thomas all ring. They just published a paper called challenging the beliefs of testosterone therapy and prostate cancer.

[00:14:54] So what jumped out at you? I'll tell you what jumped out at me. What jumped out at you?

[00:15:00] [00:15:00] Ronnie Milo: [00:15:00] Yeah. The correlation between high testosterone and low testosterone contributing to either decreasing or increasing the, uh, the prostate, prostate cancer. And then obviously the studies, you know that how many people had it, how many people were studied, what they were using to help mitigate the facts of, of the prostate cancer or alleviate the prostate cancer was pretty impressive.

[00:15:21] Carl Lanore: [00:15:21] So, so let, let me mention this. So if this was a retrospective cohort analysis of 189,000. 491 men. This wasn't 20 rats in a cage. This wasn't 10 10 patients over at Sloan Kettering. This was, this had a cohort of close to 200,000 participants because they used, uh, other landmark studies, longitudinal studies, and they used their data.

[00:15:51] Data that had already been accepted, peer reviewed and accepted, uh, as valid data. They just use that. And when they started to massage the numbers around, what they saw [00:16:00] was a lower rate of prostate cancer in men with higher testosterone. And then they went as far gut, I'm sorry, you always testosterone, yes, serum test off.

[00:16:15] But then they looked at men who are getting testosterone. And they saw a 33% reduction in prostate cancers occurrence in men that were getting testosterone injections. Now, if, if all this nonsense from 1966 was correct, then we're basically saying, we're gonna throw gasoline on a fire and the fire is going to go out.

[00:16:42] That's impossible. But that's exactly what happened.

[00:16:47] Ronnie Milo: [00:16:47] Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I mean we, we see it all the time. You know, we test for PSA obviously for our log work cause we want to make sure that, uh, it's under control before we started to kind of hormone replacement therapy. And if we have somebody on a higher end side, if it's [00:17:00] all, if it's over 4.0 we, uh, we usually have, um, you know, referred out to a shore urologist.

[00:17:04] Right. Cause we're not, we're not talking to doctors, right. I'm not a prostate guy. I'm not a prostate doctor. So, you know, I stay in my lane, but we'll have, you know, we'll have some patients on the higher end side. And within six to eight weeks on therapy, we'll come back to PSA. Values have dropped significantly.

[00:17:19] So that's on only 200 milligrams of testosterone injectable or creams. So right there alone, and it just says, okay, there's something there. But now it puts it into a full circle showing that this, uh, the studies showing that there's a decrease in prostate cancer with the, uh, with testosterone therapy. So all the stars are starting to line up.

[00:17:41] Carl Lanore: [00:17:41] So this is interesting. So Damian Perez, well, he's got a couple of things. I'm going to put this up here real quick. So he says, um, change a jingle. Mentioned Ronnie instead of Adam. Yes. Eventually I will. I'm very slow to move these things, but then he goes on to say, uh, that he's been working with you when he has nothing but [00:18:00] positive dealings, but his dad had prostate cancer.

[00:18:05] He says, happy to report. My dad just completed prostate cancer therapy and androgen deprivation was not used. This is rare. What was used, what was used. Damien, if you could, if you know a Lupron is the drug of choice, uh, for treating prostate cancer. So what? What is Lupron? So Lupron is what they use for considered it's chemical castration.

[00:18:25] And here's how it works. Lupron is a long acting gonadotrope and releasing hormone. And as a result, because most go natural, uh, go, go down a row, a H, R and H is, it's pulsatile, right? It pushes up and down day and night, but when you give somebody a dose that stays up for 10 days, it overdrives the pituitary, which Peters out and can't produce any more luteinizing hormone.

[00:18:57] Which wants to signal stops going to the test. Did you make [00:19:00] testosterone? Testosterone production stops. It's usually about two weeks. The first two weeks that men get this, they actually feel amazing. They think this is the therapy. They think, Oh my God. Of course their testosterone levels have going up, but then they stay up and then they start to slide down and to test.

[00:19:18] These can't keep up, so luteinizing hormone has to drive up and eventually you exhaust the system. And then after about a month, they have the testosterone levels of a 14 year old girl, and it's a horrible, horrible way to treat prostate cancer because it destroys men's lives. But more importantly, uh, Lupron is basically castrating a man without cutting his testicles off right

[00:19:45] Ronnie Milo: [00:19:45] now.

[00:19:45] Is that an oral or injectable

[00:19:48] Carl Lanore: [00:19:48] Lupron? I think it's an oral cause they take, I think they take it home. They take pills. Maybe Damien can tell us what his dad does. Did, cause I would love to know, but what's happened

[00:19:59] Ronnie Milo: [00:19:59] is he [00:20:00] put stress on the liver to, it was an oral,

[00:20:01] Carl Lanore: [00:20:01] I don't know. I don't know if  not everything causes hepatic stress.

[00:20:06] Not everything. Um, you know, some drugs do what causes hepatic stress the most are drugs that are designed to resist. The breakdown by the liver, because let's say the molecule and this drug costs $100 a milligram, and a guy has to have at least half a milligram delivered into the bloodstream to see an effect, and the liver literally takes 95% of the drug out before it even hits the bloodstream.

[00:20:37] So now you got to give this person 10 1520 milligrams of something to end up with a half a milligram. But instead, if you change the molecule and add certain characteristics to it that cause methylation in the liver, not to be able to convert it or cause the enzymes in the liver, not to be able to break it down into a waste product, [00:21:00] then.

[00:21:01] You have more of it in the bloodstream. So you could give a guy a a one milligram and ended up with a half milligram in his bloodstream. But the problem with those types of drugs and these drugs are like metal, prednisone, methylated, uh, birth control pills. Uh, the, the, these kinds of drugs, they cause an increase in blood.

[00:21:22] Viscosity, the thickening of the blood. They uh, uh, I'm sorry, a decrease in viscosity. The thickening of the blood, they caused thrombotic index to go up. They actually cause chemicals to be produced by the liver that tend to lead to cancers, but not, but not all drugs have that characteristic. Not all drugs are put a lot of stress on the hepatic system.

[00:21:47] Ronnie Milo: [00:21:47] Right. Yeah. I was just asking because it's an oral, you know, hormone, some, hopefully it doesn't put too much stress, like you said, on their apathetic system.

[00:21:54] Carl Lanore: [00:21:54] Yeah. Um, so, but what they did find in this study, which was very, very interesting. I'm going to talk [00:22:00] about this then we're going to take a quick commercial break, and I'm going to put this slide up, is that the, the rate in which prostate cancer grew and the incidents of it becoming more and more aggressive was more closely tied.

[00:22:16] You're ready for this folk to metabolic disorder, then testosterone level. No, it can't be. It can't be.

[00:22:25] Ronnie Milo: [00:22:25] Yeah. That was one of the major things that kind of was what interested me too was when I read that on the bottom of the study showing that it's not to thought grown or or lockups or thoughts thrown, it's more of a metabolic syndrome, like insulin resistance, diabetes, obesity.

[00:22:39] Those are a higher risk of

[00:22:40] Carl Lanore: [00:22:40] every other, every just about every other cancer out there. Just about every single malady of, of, uh, that's plaguing our population today. It all comes from, you know, they say heart disease is the number one killer in America, but that's an untruth because metabolic disease causes heart disease, causes [00:23:00] kidney damage, causes the liver damage, causes dementia.

[00:23:04] So, so saying that, well, heart disease, the number one. Yeah, sure. So that's what they write on your certificate of death. Because you died of a heart attack, but what gave you the heart attack is really the cause of your death and between tobacco and metabolic disease, those are the two that are killing everybody.

[00:23:24] Ronnie Milo: [00:23:24] Right. And then in obviously, you know, low testosterone contributes to all those different factors as well. So it's kinda like a, like I said, full circle. You know what I mean? And that's the thing is, you know, when they go on for, you know, obviously to check the prostate, they're not looking at insulin resistance.

[00:23:38] They're not looking at HB one AC. They're not looking at these other factors. There's straight contributing to testosterone,

[00:23:44] Carl Lanore: [00:23:44] which is frustrating. Yeah. No, I agree. I agree. Yeah. Very, very sad. What, what's, what's beeping back? Is that your phone?

[00:23:52] Ronnie Milo: [00:23:52] That's my email. It has been nonstop at the clinic for the last couple of months.

[00:23:57] Uh, just people, inquiries, uh, even returning [00:24:00] patients. I, I, I'm working from, uh, eight o'clock in the morning. It's about nine o'clock at night.

[00:24:05] Carl Lanore: [00:24:05] I got a, I got an email from a woman. I can't think of her name now. I'll find it when we go to break. Uh, that's been working with you and she said that she, her life has completely changed since he's been working with you and renew life RX.

[00:24:20] Ronnie Milo: [00:24:20] Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean that's, you know, that's one of the things, cause we have a lot of people that, you know, inquire on the clinic and they want to know what sets us apart from the rest. And I said customer experience and customer service, right. I give them, I give all my patients my cell phone. I make sure that they can call me or text me at any time if there's any issues, any questions they might have.

[00:24:36] There's another doctor's office. You can't do that, right? You have an issue. You call a doctor, you get the secretary, and the doctor probably won't call you back. You'll probably just get a message from the secretary saying that we'll just stay on your current medications, but I'm making a point to obviously address every issue we have.

[00:24:50] Uh, make sure everybody is comfortable what they're doing. Cause, you know, we're not selling proteins and greetings, we're selling hormones, right? So we want to be, uh, we want to protect a patient. Obviously, we want [00:25:00] to do with it, uh, as the safest as possible. And obviously we want to protect them. So, you know, 85, 95 years old.

[00:25:05] So, um, you know, that's, that's what we pride upon. Right? You know what? We're not, we're not doing anything special. We're usually saying hormones is all the other, you know, compounding pharmacies do. It's just more of that. That customer service, that customer experience, and just explain to the people what we're trying to accomplish and explaining what the medications do, what, what not to do, what we know what to look forward to.

[00:25:26] You know, kind of just got them through the process. You know, I touch base with our customers probably every two weeks. Um, and they kind of get overwhelmed sometimes cause they kinda get sick of me. But at the end of the day, you know, I just want to check on them and see how they're doing and make sure they're, we're, we're in the right direction.

[00:25:41] Carl Lanore: [00:25:41] Interesting. Yeah, I mean that, but that really is where the magic is. Like you said, everybody's using the same stuff, but it's how you use it, right? So blue paint, yellow paint, green paint, and my hands looks horrible. But in Picasso's hands, it looks like magic. Right? But we're both using the same paint, right?

[00:26:01] [00:26:00] Ronnie Milo: [00:26:01] What we're trying to accomplish, you know. You know what we do when we do the lab work with them. You know, I'd make sure I'd take a good hour out to, uh, to kind of just fine tune detailed what we're looking for, what the labs are, what the reference ranges are, what we do to set it to help with the reference ranges if they're high or low.

[00:26:18] Uh, you know, just to make sure that they're comfortable with it. Cause it's a big decision cause we, you know, we're messing with hormones here. We're not, we're not selling, you know, over the counter supplements. So no, I get,

[00:26:28] Carl Lanore: [00:26:28] yeah. Damian Perez said he believes his dad on the weekends. Radiation therapy. He went once a day for nine weeks.

[00:26:35] Wow. That is a big commitment. The treatment lasted about one minute each day and was focused just on the prostate. He, but here's what he, this is also interesting. He says, a friend of his, a friend's dad has prostate cancer. He's about to undergo androgen deprivation therapy because. Uh, the doctor [00:27:00] told them that they need to stop the cancer.

[00:27:02] He will likely be put on TRT after the therapy is completed. I will bet you he won't be put on TRT. Cause think about it. If they're taking testosterone away and saying it's starving the cancer, they're not going to put him on testosterone after that. And if they believe that testosterone is what caused it in the first place, it's going to revive it.

[00:27:25] So he's not going to be put on TRT. In fact. You should have him listen to this show. You should have him look up dr Samuel den Mead's two studies on the national Institute of health, a pub med website. You should have him bring those to his doctor before he undergoes androgen deprivation therapy and say, what about this doc?

[00:27:48] I mean, you can't discount it. These are done at at at major universities by real scientists. Doing real science. So this isn't like some Nicaraguan [00:28:00] hospital that saying they can cure cancer, just come here and stay for a week. So really let him listen to this show because androgen deprivation therapy will change his body in ways that he will have new health problems after this therapy.

[00:28:16] I guarantee it. I guarantee it. Uh, and I always,

[00:28:20] Ronnie Milo: [00:28:20] if you've been diagnosed with anything, and I don't want to label it your research, right, don't, don't just, and I tell these people all the time on the phone, I said, don't take my word for it. Do the research cause I want you comfortable enough to deal but do the research.

[00:28:33] Don't just think that the doctors are the end all, be all,

[00:28:36] Carl Lanore: [00:28:36] but do your research. Not enough to tell people to do the research, Ronnie. And here's why. Because where do they go? Web MD. Right? Harvard health, they go to all of these organizations that are lockstep with the current, uh, uh, treatment. They're not going to break out of that.

[00:28:58] Right.

[00:28:59] Ronnie Milo: [00:28:59] Well, I mean, restricts by [00:29:00] doing, doing some, some alternative stuff, looking for some alternative stuff.

[00:29:03] Carl Lanore: [00:29:03] Yeah, you don't, and I've said it before, the new evolutionary selective pressure is where you get your information from. That will determine your outcome, what you choose to read, and then use critical thinking to decipher.

[00:29:17] Ronnie Milo: [00:29:17] Absolutely.

[00:29:18] Carl Lanore: [00:29:18] That's what's going to prolong or Enlive sooner. Like your

[00:29:22] Ronnie Milo: [00:29:22] buddy, right? The ginger. My

[00:29:25] Carl Lanore: [00:29:25] brother-in-law. Yeah, he was, he, he was, he thought he was going to die. They told him he had advanced lymphoma. Well, and he's, and he's out there today still playing basketball with a replaced knee and everything else.

[00:29:38] So he's still, he's still plugging along and he looks great too. Uh, we're going to take a quick commercial break here when we come back on and talk more about this study, uh, changing beliefs of testosterone therapy and prostate cancer. I want to talk more about the estrogen linkage as well. When we come back.

[00:29:54] Stay tuned.

[00:29:57] Phil Dunlap: [00:29:57] Evolution just got

[00:29:58] Carl Lanore: [00:29:58] kicked up a notch.

[00:30:10] [00:30:00] So there's a lot of people out there within the scientific community that actually believe that, uh, prostate cancer is, is more so tied to. Uh, after die all and testosterone ratios, uh, when, and I've heard numbers thrown around about the ratios that seem appropriate, but the, the common wisdom today is that when estrogen becomes higher or so high, that it's competing with the levels of testosterone.

[00:30:45] This is when we see the highest rate of. Prostate cancers and especially aggressive one. So, so let's, let's, let's look at that for just a second and put a pin in that and now think about it. So in men, [00:31:00] the primary bioactive form of estrogen, Esther dial is produced in fat cells exclusively,

[00:31:09] Phil Dunlap: [00:31:09] okay.

[00:31:10] Carl Lanore: [00:31:10] By way of an enzyme called the aromatase enzyme.

[00:31:16] And aromatase. Is just one click upstream from cyclo. I'm sorry. One click downstream from the cyclooxygenase and keep that in your mind for a second. And so it could be said that men who have narrowing ratios of testosterone and Esther dial when they start to get, Oh my God, they're so close to each other was, well, those ratios become competitive.

[00:31:48] Um, number one, they are doing so because they have a greater deposition of body fat cause they have more factories to produce, to siphon off testosterone and D, H E a [00:32:00] and turn it into extra dial. I have some theories why this happened too, by the way. Um, but also, uh, what we see. Is an increase in flow, an inflammatory response in their body.

[00:32:16] And that makes sense too, because if inflammation goes up, cyclooxygenase goes up and the people are 50 cytochrome enzyme cascade. If , if psychologic ACE goes up, aromatase enzyme is being produced. Because if you have, if you have more precursor, you end up with more aromatase. If you have less precursor, you end up with less aromatase.

[00:32:40] So this is a vicious cycle where the androgens are siphoned off by fat cells and apply aromatase as applied to produce more estrogen. And in turn, uh, inflammation causes more aromatase production, [00:33:00] so they become more efficient at producing. Uh, more estrogen. And this goes around and around and around and around.

[00:33:06] Now the, the, the one really interesting thing to look at, you know, from all the way up here looking down at this phenomenon, is every cell on your body has a receptor called a fibroblasts activation factor receptor. And that the role of that receptor is. Extra dial docs in it and turns on critical anti-inflammatory responses to trauma.

[00:33:35] So if, if you're, if you're walking down the street and somebody hit you in the head with a baseball bat and you get knocked out, your brain starts to swell, your brain immediately starts to produce extra dial by way of. Aromatization because don't forget, the brain is fat. It's got aromatase enzyme in it.

[00:33:54] It takes all available androgens and stuck turning it into extra dial to bathe the trauma [00:34:00] area, to stop the brain from swelling. Think about that. So when you start to look at this inflammatory siphoning off androgens, Ash, the dial starts to rise. Testosterone is getting robbed and it goes around and around.

[00:34:16] You get fatter and fatter, more aromatase, fatter and fatter. And you look at all that with this fact that the body needs to dye all to suppress inflammation. You could see how this is very complex. This is like a, a three dimensional group of hormones and enzymes that are all working in this direction.

[00:34:43] And you just get fatter and fatter, more and more inflamed. Your testosterone drops. Oh, now your prostate, cause don't forget you're, you, you have metabolic disease. If you fit into this category. So now, now you've, now you've got the metabolic disease and all of a sudden the prostate cancer shows up. It's really, it's fault.

[00:35:00] [00:34:59] Ronnie Milo: [00:34:59] Yeah. It's very interesting. It's a feedback loop system, right? If there's, it's kind of like if you're deficient in one, one will increase more than the other. So it's trying to become a balancing act, and that's, that's one of the hardest things that we have to do is just create a significant balancing act with the hormones.

[00:35:18] We don't want too high. And to your point too, and women as well, we don't want them estrogen dominant because that could show different, uh, different, um, you know, diseases that could be contributed from that too. So you also have to control the, uh, the estrogen and women. Um, but it's, it's a, it's a balancing act.

[00:35:34] Right. And how I always do recommend when I talk to patients is like, you ever seen the movie matrix when he has a matrix board and you have to move the things around to kind of get a greater picture? That's kind of like what the, what the, uh, you know what the hormones are like, you know, because there's.

[00:35:47] People just always talk about testosterone and estrogen, right? To your point, we've talked about progesterone and pregnenolone and also DGA, Anderson, Dianne, all these things factor in to keep, to create a, a a homeostasis [00:36:00] point of, of balance. And if one's off, they're all going to be off.

[00:36:28] Carl Lanore: [00:36:28] Is the reduction of body fat. And that is, that is a, it's critical to recognize that because you can change your outcome when you start to take seriously, uh, energy management, what you're putting in your body, activity levels, what you're doing with your body and all can change. And you could change, you could change your outcome in a year, in one year.

[00:36:51] You could go from being six, six, six sick to actually embarking on. The beginning of a really healthy end to your [00:37:00] life. 

[00:37:01] Ronnie Milo: [00:37:01] yeah. Nutrition plays a big part in hormones, right? Hormone rejuvenation, hormone synthesis, hormone metabolization for more homeostasis. Nutrition plays a big part of it. You get it all the time.

[00:37:12] You know, people get on testosterone replacement and uh, within, you know, six to eight weeks, they call me back. They're like, I don't feel better. I'm like, what's your diet look like? Well, you know, eat, McDonald's ate this. I eat whatever I want. I'm like, yeah, it doesn't work that way.

[00:37:23] Carl Lanore: [00:37:23] It's not the magic pill.

[00:37:24] Yeah. That remember the old lie Ronnie, if it fits your macros?

[00:37:28] Ronnie Milo: [00:37:28] Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. We'll pop tarts were in that one right

[00:37:31] Carl Lanore: [00:37:31] now. They are the tasty treat. Tasty pastries, huh? Yeah, I know. I know. People used to love pop tarts. Yeah.

[00:37:40] Ronnie Milo: [00:37:40] And that's, and that's what we do too, is, you know, we don't just, you know, recommend or prescribe to stop growing or any hormones.

[00:37:46] You know, I do nutrition too. You know, I'm pretty good in nutrition. I'm not an expert. I know how to do nutrition. I haven't looked at nutrition. So that's another thing that we're able to, uh, to help our clients out with, especially supplementation as well. You know, I got [00:38:00] a pretty extensive background in the supplement industry.

[00:38:01] I've been in, supplemented through for 20 years, so I know, I know supplements. I know supplements like the back of my hand. That's probably my strongest suit. Um, and those compliment diet is compliment nutrition, those compliment training. And those also compliment hormones. So all these things make a, a crucial part and trying to just have overall health and longevity.

[00:38:22] Carl Lanore: [00:38:22] Now the fastest way to raise testosterone levels back up is to get on HRT. And you know, I'm actually toying with the idea of stopping injectable entirely and going all to cream.

[00:38:35] Ronnie Milo: [00:38:35] Yeah, I've done, I've done that since working with the, uh, with the clinic as I, I've, I've stopped the injectables orchids, the Koreans, and actually felt a lot better.

[00:38:44] And, uh, I've grown a little bit more. Uh, that's, that's a, that's a good point with that. But, uh, I feel a lot better. Uh, you know, less side effects. Uh, sleep quality is a little bit better, uh, than the injectables cause I was, I've been objected for about 10 years now, so I switched over to the cream once it got to the clinic with dr [00:39:00] Parker's real big on Koreans.

[00:39:01] Uh, and I tried it myself and actually, uh, I'm, I'm pretty happy with them.

[00:39:05] Carl Lanore: [00:39:05] What's the starting dose on a testosterone cream nowadays? Thought, I know they go by grams, right? But there's a concentration. Is it a 10% concentration? Typically,

[00:39:14] Ronnie Milo: [00:39:14] yes. 20% concentration. And I think that common dosage is five milligrams.

[00:39:19] And we do two pumps for men twice a day. And we do one pump for women twice. 

[00:39:26] Carl Lanore: [00:39:26] five milligrams is all guys are rubbing on. That's it.

[00:39:30] Ronnie Milo: [00:39:30] Yeah, I believe so.

[00:39:31] Carl Lanore: [00:39:31] That doesn't sound like enough because women take trophies that have four milligrams,

[00:39:36] Ronnie Milo: [00:39:36] right? Well, the women's women's creams for a milligram, but that's a dose throughout the week, so,

[00:39:43] Carl Lanore: [00:39:43] and so the guys take it's five milligrams per pump and they take how many pumps.

[00:39:49] Ronnie Milo: [00:39:49] Two pumps in the morning.

[00:39:50] Carl Lanore: [00:39:50] That makes sense. Yeah. 10 in the morning, cause they're, they're only gonna get, like if it's a lecithin based organic gel or an organic gel and not a hydro [00:40:00] alcoholic, a transdermal, they'll get 30% of what's in there. So if they put 10 and 10, they're getting a good six milligrams, uh, or more into their body every day.

[00:40:09] That's good. Right now, do you see guys doing better with sleep when they don't use it right before or in the evening and just do one dose in the morning?

[00:40:18] Ronnie Milo: [00:40:18] No, I mean it actually helps sleep. Sometimes the DHA that we recommend with them, it'll sex their sleep. Uh, so we'll just go ahead and recommend them to do the DHA in the morning.

[00:40:27] Carl Lanore: [00:40:27] I, you know, why that is, right.

[00:40:29] Ronnie Milo: [00:40:29] Cause it stimulates a, a little bit more of a, um, you know, not anxiety, but, um,

[00:40:35] Carl Lanore: [00:40:35] no, but let me tell you why it is. So the. Antithesis to melatonin is da da, dah, da is the daytime hormone produced by, uh, the, um, they're on the adrenals. Thank you. And they are during locomotive periods when the body is moving and melatonin is the nighttime hormone.

[00:40:58] And so if you take the ATA [00:41:00] before bed, you'll find that you don't sleep as deep or you don't get to sleep at all because it's actually, it's actually suppressing the production of melatonin. And I know guys would take the ATA melatonin at the same time. I go, why? Why,

[00:41:14] Ronnie Milo: [00:41:14] why? And also actually down-regulates cortisol too, cause it's both from the adrenal glands.

[00:41:19] So

[00:41:19] Carl Lanore: [00:41:19] what downregulates cortisol, DHA and so does melatonin, melatonin, completely blunts cortisol. Right? That's why people who take too much melatonin wake up in the morning and they go, I'm so groggy. They're not groggy because of the intrinsic effective melatonin. They're groggy because of the extrinsic suppression of cortisol that doesn't come up in the morning when they're waking up.

[00:41:44] That's why they, Oh, I gotta be up for an hour or so before I start like waking up. Yeah. Because your cortisol production didn't, didn't sync with the beginning of the day. Yeah. You know, melatonin melatonin's wonderful. Don't get me wrong. I'm not [00:42:00] bashing it. Okay.

[00:42:02] Ronnie Milo: [00:42:02] Yeah. But now, like I said, everybody's different.

[00:42:03] Some people have sleep problems with the DHA, so we just go ahead and have him do it in the morning. Some people sleep like a baby, right? So it all depends on everybody else. You know, that's what we, that's what we do. You know, we make changes accordingly, you know, the medications.

[00:42:16] Carl Lanore: [00:42:16] Let's take our last commercial break for this segment, and when we come back, we'll wrap it up.

[00:42:20] Uh, and, uh, I really think that if any, if you get anything out it, and I'll, I'll put the link to the study, uh, in today's show. So those of you who are listening to this and you're talking to your doctor about prostate cancer, you can bring some of this stuff with you. Stay tuned.

[00:42:45] I don't like being on this side. It's the same thing in the bed. I'm, you know, I have a side of the bed. I don't want to sleep. I slept in the same side of the bed my whole life when I'm sleeping in bed with somebody else. It's weird for me to be on this side because I have to look at the equipment and it looks like I'm looking that way.

[00:42:59] When I, [00:43:00] when I normally I look like I'm looking at you when I'm looking at the equipment, I'm looking at this way. Huh? It's, it's weird.

[00:43:05] Ronnie Milo: [00:43:05] You're all

[00:43:07] Carl Lanore: [00:43:07] not used to really not used to it. Um, I'm going to post not only this study, uh, that we're talking about today, a link to that, but I'm going to post the link to dr Samuel Dene means work plus.

[00:43:20] The shows that I did with him in 2016 about his work. So those of you who are coming upon this page in search of prostate cancer answers, uh, I think we can give you some really good stuff to go to your doctor and say, at least consider this doc. Cause look, this is real science doc. You know, because five years from now your doctor is going to be doing this, seven years from now, your is going to be doing it.

[00:43:43] But keeping you alive long enough is more important to me. Uh, you know. And, and later, later in the show by one second. I'm sorry, Ronnie, I'll let you later in the show. Right after the break, we're going to be joined by a guy who I admire and respect named Phil Dunlop, and we'll get to talk about an [00:44:00] upcoming fight he has coming and we want to promote that to the audience.

[00:44:02] Go ahead. I'm sorry.

[00:44:04] Ronnie Milo: [00:44:04] Yeah, I mean, I just want to close on this. I mean, obviously we covered a lot of, uh, you know, uh, uh, topics just today about prostate cancer. In a study too. It also shows that increased testosterone or optimal testosterone levels reduces the risk of prostate cancer as well. Right. So I know we've talked a lot about prostate cancer itself, but you know, this one's showing that know optimal testosterone level shows a decrease in risk of prostate cancer.

[00:44:31] So that's something to think about.

[00:44:33] Carl Lanore: [00:44:33] You know, and I'm glad you said that because I completely forgot about that. And that's right. Staying healthy is more important than curing disease. But the reality is, uh, that, think about that in contrast with the common knowledge that testosterone causes prostate cancer, and yet high testosterone levels promote not developing prostate cancer.

[00:44:56] They can both occupy [00:45:00] the same space. One of those has to be true, and one of those has to be fault. .

[00:45:05] Ronnie Milo: [00:45:05] So we'll probably start to see more studies down the road. Obviously.

[00:45:09] Phil Dunlap: [00:45:09] That's

[00:45:09] Carl Lanore: [00:45:09] true. Denny, dr Samuel Denman study was, uh, w was a game changer. I hate even using that term now. It's associate with that whole stupid movie.

[00:45:19] But it was a game changer. It was a game changer because, um,

[00:45:29] I, I'm sorry. I had a mic open by accident and I apologize. That was my fault. Um. It's a, his studies were a game changer because when you think about it, he cured men of aggressive prostate cancer by giving them testosterone. And you would think that. Every urologist in the world would be like, what? Let me, I want to know more about this.

[00:45:53] But most of most of them don't know anything about it. They don't know nothing about this. That's why you'll be the first one to walk into their [00:46:00] office and go, but you heard about this guy, right? That'd be like, no, let me see that. Wow. And they'll either immediately reject it or they will accept it. Yeah.

[00:46:10] Ronnie Milo: [00:46:10] Yeah.

[00:46:11] Carl Lanore: [00:46:11] So was that your phone that just rang and started talking? No, that's

[00:46:16] Ronnie Milo: [00:46:16] my emails.

[00:46:17] Carl Lanore: [00:46:17] Dude, man, I can't believe I would, I couldn't finish a thought if I had all that stuff going off.

[00:46:23] Ronnie Milo: [00:46:23] It doesn't stop. I mean, I get, I get up in the morning at four 30, I have about 25 emails in my inbox from the West coast people.

[00:46:30] So yeah. Right.

[00:46:32] Carl Lanore: [00:46:32] Cause you were embedding, they still work. They're still up for another three hours. Yeah, absolutely.

[00:46:36] Ronnie Milo: [00:46:36] Absolutely. So, and I answer every single email. I answer every single email, every single phone call. Uh, you know, when they call me and I'm not available, I'll call them like as soon as I'm

[00:46:45] Carl Lanore: [00:46:45] available.

[00:46:45] So. What's new and exciting over at renew life RX? Anything exciting that you guys are doing? Anything new that you've added to the list of services? Uh,

[00:46:55] Ronnie Milo: [00:46:55] yeah. I mean, we're starting to do a lot of, uh, injectable amino acids, injectable vitamins. [00:47:00] Uh, obviously we're trying to stay up with, uh, every single peptide a TaylorMade comes out with and they're coming out with more and more.

[00:47:06] So we're just trying to stay, uh, ahead of the game because a lot of people will ask us, you know, do we work with TaylorMade? And yes, we do. Uh, do we have the new peptides? Yes, we, we do. Uh, and that's one of the big things too, is taking those peptides, get them to the doctor, let him understand them so we can start to, uh, prescribed them.

[00:47:25] So

[00:47:25] Carl Lanore: [00:47:25] could you see the peptide, a show that I did about  and how it reverses neuropathy and regrow the nerves.

[00:47:34] Ronnie Milo: [00:47:34] Yes, absolutely. And then, um, I got to do this show you did yesterday with dr seats. Uh, tomorrow.

[00:47:39] Carl Lanore: [00:47:39] Yeah. Protocols, peptide protocols. We're doing one tomorrow. We're doing one tomorrow at a special time.

[00:47:45] It's later in the, in the afternoon. I think it starts at two or two 30. I forget which one it is. Um, about a peptide for treating major depressive disorder. Very,

[00:47:56] Ronnie Milo: [00:47:56] very interested in that.

[00:47:57] Carl Lanore: [00:47:57] This is a first.

[00:47:58] Ronnie Milo: [00:47:58] Yeah. Like a lot of [00:48:00] people deal with depression these days

[00:48:01] Carl Lanore: [00:48:01] and you hear it here on superhuman radio.

[00:48:03] After I do this show and all the other guys out there, I'll be doing a peptide show about it. Just likes a bit of tide. Now everybody, all of a sudden people are starting to talk about Savannah tide. You know what? Don't waste your time waiting for them to, uh, re word my interviews this, come here and listen to this show.

[00:48:19] That's all. Yeah, absolutely.

[00:48:21] Ronnie Milo: [00:48:21] I want to let longtime listener, so that's where I got my start.

[00:48:26] Carl Lanore: [00:48:26] Uh, 14 plus years now, the longest running health, fitness and anti-aging podcast in the world. At least I can say that when I die, that can say that.

[00:48:37] Ronnie Milo: [00:48:37] That's off to you and my friends.

[00:48:39] Carl Lanore: [00:48:39] All right, well that's it. Renew life.

[00:48:40] rx.com is the place to go. Use the code SHR and you'll save money on your lab work. Let Ronnie know you, uh, that you found him, uh, through us and, uh, uh, and, and don't wait too long because you know, it's, if you, if you stop aging now, you are going to be a lot better off [00:49:00] than stopping your aging in 10 years.

[00:49:03] Cause then you're 70 and you're gonna stay 70. You want to stay, get started sooner so that you move forward with a body that works better. That's all. That's all I'm saying. All right, Ronnie, thanks for being here today, brother. I appreciate you, man. Have a good day. I talk to you later. We're going to take one quick commercial break.

[00:49:19] When we come back, we're going to be joined by Phil Dunlop. Stay tuned.

[00:49:26] It's

[00:49:26] Phil Dunlap: [00:49:26] super human

[00:49:27] Carl Lanore: [00:49:27] radio. Welcome back.

[00:49:36] I'm joined by Phil Dunlop. Hey, don't fail. Wait a second. Why can't I hear you? Hold on. That's my fault. It's my fulfill. One second, Phil. Okay. Sorry about that. How you doing brother? Wonderful. Wonderful. So you will, listening to that show. What'd you think. Fascinating.

[00:49:54] Phil Dunlap: [00:49:54] Fascinating stuff. I'll be honest with you, you know, I'm at that age myself where a lot of people, I know [00:50:00] generation before me have had prostate cancer, and I gotta be honest with you.

[00:50:03] Treatments are both Barrick. Like my ex father in law actually was in a situation where he had it. He had, he had all the treatments, it put them on the hormones and stuff like that, and then they had to remove his testicles.

[00:50:16] Carl Lanore: [00:50:16] It's sad what they do. I mean, it's horrible. And you know what really. Not since 1966 have they reviewed the science that says testosterone causes prostate cancer.

[00:50:27] Until now, until dr Samuel den Mead's study in 2016 where he gave guys with prostate cancer, testosterone and the prostate cancer went away. Now people are going, wait a minute, maybe we've had it wrong for 40 years. You know what I mean? It's just,

[00:50:42] Phil Dunlap: [00:50:42] well, also take a look at, you know, just these, the science of nutrition and working out.

[00:50:47] Years ago, we all used to go to the gym and do a bodybuilding workout. Okay. Nowadays, if you're an athlete, you're working out on a completely different protocols, right? You know, we had the food pyramid for years. Okay. It's kind of [00:51:00] like, you know, funny thing is recognized science, sometimes trails way behind these guys out there that are trailblazers doing the studies and stuff like that.

[00:51:09] And when you really look at it, you know, all these obstetric guy like made with a predisposition to cancer, I'd go to an HRG clinic and it telling me no. Okay. They said, no, no, it's a, it's rocket fuel for cancer cells.

[00:51:21] Carl Lanore: [00:51:21] And it's an

[00:51:23] Phil Dunlap: [00:51:23] exact term that they use. So even though there was to me, to me, it's really fascinating stuff, and it's one of the things that I always tell people, we're so lucky at this stage because there's so much knowledge out there that like, yo, I was actually talking about this with an old time bodybuilder yesterday.

[00:51:39] In other words, you know, we used to go to the gym. You know, we used to do stupid workout protocols, then we would go and buy supplements. And in other words, there were like two protein powders and they were garbage. Yeah. Crazy. You know, the knowledge and everything, it's at our fingertips. Like I love Google.

[00:51:55] In other words, you can almost instantaneously become an expert on any topic [00:52:00] with a keystroke,

[00:52:02] Carl Lanore: [00:52:02] but with the, but the intention of learning. That's the thing that's missing. You know, people want, they want this, tell me what to do as opposed to learning something. And there's a big difference.

[00:52:11] Phil Dunlap: [00:52:11] Between you and I, even myself as a fight trainer, like I see it all the time with these kids to come in and they want to be fighters that, don't get me wrong.

[00:52:17] You still have kids that are old school, you know, it's cultural to adult and want me to run into the wall five times. Okay. Then you get these kids that they think they can fight with with one training session a month. Okay. In other words, they've got enough cardio to make it two minutes and they pray.

[00:52:34] They knocked the guy out in the first two nights. And you know, it's amazing that in this day and age, I tell people, but I'll take a look at a guy like me. You know, I get, I got 119 fights, a thousand grappling matches, and it's kind of like, you know, kid comes to me, how do I cut weight? Coach. I tell them how to cut weight, I can cut 25 pounds and 24 hours.

[00:52:55] Okay. Do they listen to me? No. And then they wonder why they don't make weight.

[00:52:59] Carl Lanore: [00:52:59] So [00:53:00] wait a minute, wait a minute. Are you saying figuratively drop 25 pounds in 24 hours or can you actually show someone how to drop 25 pounds at 24 hours?

[00:53:09] Phil Dunlap: [00:53:09] I've done it. I got a call from, I took a last minute grappling match for mixed martial arts organization, and I had a, the month before I bulk up to two 30 because I was going against a guy that was six, six to six and five.

[00:53:22] Okay. So I'm lifting, I'm bulking up, and then I get a call from a promoter I'm friendly with, and he says, Mike, my title fight just on a part. The guys have real good grappler. I'd like to actually have them like in a, in a grappling match to showcase it. And he goes, you know, would you do it? And I said, you know, what, do you need me?

[00:53:37] He goes and gotta be two Oh five I was two 28 and this was on a, this was on a Wednesday afternoon. And what was funny is, you know, I'm thinking to myself, Oh man, okay. So basically I hadn't prepped for it, so I hadn't done my sodium D depletion, like carbohydrate hydrate. There's a formula I follow. I just [00:54:00] had to do it on gut to willpower.

[00:54:01] Okay. So I made two Oh five but it was kind of funny because one of my friends was there and he's watching, I take my shirt off, I hop on the scale, and my ads are dancing. Cramping.

[00:54:11] Carl Lanore: [00:54:11] Yeah, right. Yeah. It was

[00:54:13] Phil Dunlap: [00:54:13] crazy.

[00:54:14] Carl Lanore: [00:54:14] So filled. But wait a minute, Phil, this, this may be the price of it worth the price of admission.

[00:54:18] Hold on his there. So you kill me. You're, you're good. I love you. So, um, so if, if, if I wanted to just lose 10 pounds, could I do it in 15 hours? Yeah. Okay.

[00:54:33] Phil Dunlap: [00:54:33] Over time, girls come to me and say, so, so I'm going to a wedding and I need to lose 10 pounds. Yeah. But do you plan on eating or drinking anything at the ready?

[00:54:44] Cause I've got back in, I was in the ring that night at two 28

[00:54:49] Carl Lanore: [00:54:49] back up again. So really it's really losing fluid. Is that all it is for? Yeah.

[00:54:56] Phil Dunlap: [00:54:56] And I always told people your safety zone on that.

[00:55:00] [00:55:00] Carl Lanore: [00:55:00] Yeah, cause you gotta you can end up with hyponatremia. Your heart doesn't want to beat, I mean there's a lot

[00:55:05] of

[00:55:05] Phil Dunlap: [00:55:05] more than 10% of your body yet waste.

[00:55:08] Carl Lanore: [00:55:08] Okay. So I can live with that. So what do you do? Feel like? Just, just, just give me like the reader's digest version and people could contact you if they wanted that. That's my normal,

[00:55:17] Phil Dunlap: [00:55:17] my normal formulate. Like if I, if I'm cutting weight and I get a call a week at a time, I'm going to show up right. Okay.

[00:55:26] You don't like Friday, you'll come over, come along. I'll eliminate sodium, my weigh ins next Friday. Completely eliminate sodium

[00:55:34] Carl Lanore: [00:55:34] and sodium is part of every food, right? Oh, no.

[00:55:38] Phil Dunlap: [00:55:38] Yeah. You've got to be really crappy. They took your protein supplements. You know how hard it is to find a protein supplement that has milk sodium?

[00:55:46] Forget about your protein bars.

[00:55:48] Carl Lanore: [00:55:48] Well, I mean, forget, forget about chicken. I mean, you know, trip, forget about most animal protein. Forget about tomatoes. Forget about, I mean, wholly, I mean, when you said cut sodium, [00:56:00] I'm thinking, well, okay, drink water and don't eat and don't eat nuts.

[00:56:06] Phil Dunlap: [00:56:06] Well nuts and, uh, does that, there's a grass fed protein powder, whey protein that contains no sodium.

[00:56:13] It's, you only want to cook for it.

[00:56:15] Carl Lanore: [00:56:15] Taste all right.

[00:56:17] Phil Dunlap: [00:56:17] Okay. But it's got no sodium. So what happens is you, you start drinking a ton of water. Like I drink lots of water anyway when I'll drink maybe three gallons water debt. Okay. Yeah. And the idea is I'm eliminating all sodium and I'm eliminating carbohydrates cause sodium and carbohydrates will hold onto water and I'm flooding my body with water.

[00:56:37] Now I don't even pay attention to what I weigh on the scale, you know? In other words, if I'm, if I'm two 28 when I get the call and I have to be to two Oh five once, once I get the call, once I start that process, my weight now means nothing to me because most of it's going to be loading my body with water.

[00:56:54] And I go through my normal workout routine, my normal workout routine, and I stay on that diet. And let's say there's [00:57:00] certain little tricks, like I tell guys, like if you're really hungry and like when I say I'll eat, like I'll sit down for dinner those nights and eat two pounds of raw cashews. So it's not like I'm starving myself.

[00:57:11] You know, I'm getting lots of fuel, but I tell guys, if you're hungry and you want to snack on something, so reads a negative Kelly or calorie, phew. Food. It takes more

[00:57:20] Carl Lanore: [00:57:20] energy

[00:57:21] Phil Dunlap: [00:57:21] and digest it that it takes to that that is in it. So mushrooms and and sold negative Keller foods, you can have all of them. You want even the day of the way.

[00:57:32] Well, what I do is I go right up until, let's say my way was Friday, Thursday, I had my last drink of water at five o'clock and then I get my last training session in.

[00:57:44] Carl Lanore: [00:57:44] No. Well, usually

[00:57:44] Phil Dunlap: [00:57:44] when I train hard, I'll usually lures between five and eight pounds.

[00:57:50] Carl Lanore: [00:57:50] How many hours a day do you train? Well,

[00:57:52] Phil Dunlap: [00:57:52] generally, you know, I'm older now, so I have to train it.

[00:57:55] I have to listen to my body. I probably between, between, [00:58:00] between strength and conditioning. Yeah. And, uh, you know, skill set, training and live rolling probably about three hours a day. Two to three hours a day.

[00:58:10] Carl Lanore: [00:58:10] How old do you now feel? 57

[00:58:14] Phil Dunlap: [00:58:14] and the idea is I try to take one day off a week. Sometimes I will be honest with you, sometimes if I'm just not feeling it for the first time in my life, I will force myself.

[00:58:26] This is my body. I've learned. It's my body sending me a message. Yeah, my joints are hurting. If everything's tired, I'll back off, you know, because I, I realized I just needed that. And it's one of these things where, uh, as I, as I, then what I do is to that cut. I'll try to get within 10 pounds the night before.

[00:58:47] So what I'll do is I'll fill a Whirlpool. I've got Whirlpool in my backyard. I fill it with 14 pounds of Epsom salts and six quarters of winter green RUP

[00:58:56] Carl Lanore: [00:58:56] rubbing alcohol. Oh yeah. You mean we used to, we used to [00:59:00] put that on the horses. They called it absorbing junior absorbed. No, they called it absorbing the green stuff.

[00:59:04] Yeah. Yeah. Right.

[00:59:06] Phil Dunlap: [00:59:06] What it does is it opens your pores when you get into water. Now the water is hot, so it opens up your pores. Okay? And because it's sodium level in water's higher than sodium level in my body. They call it reverse osmosis. Why? I love science. Okay. For years, I was one of those old school guys, put the exercise bike in a sauna and why until you die.

[00:59:26] Carl Lanore: [00:59:26] When I worked at the race track, the jockeys used to do that to make weight, to get on a horse.

[00:59:31] Phil Dunlap: [00:59:31] Dude, all you're doing, all you're doing is traumatizing your body. You'll never, you'll never rehydrate the time. Okay? So what I do is I try to get within 10 pounds the night before, and then I go to sleep and I tend to float in other three.

[00:59:44] I don't forget any water after that. And then I'm usually within six to seven pounds of where I want to be, and then I just cut the rest of it that Friday. Make the way in. And then, uh, basically I rehydrate with, uh, either there's a [01:00:00] pickle juice product I use or with, uh, one of those electrolytes.

[01:00:05] Carl Lanore: [01:00:05] I've heard.

[01:00:06] Um, glycerol is supposed to be good to rehydrate after making weight.

[01:00:11] Phil Dunlap: [01:00:11] It helps your body hold on to the water. Okay. And then you have to, you have to rehydrate. You have to get all those electrolytes back in cause you've depleted your body and as low, I'll do that. If I have 24 hours to recover, if I don't, I'm not even cutting it out.

[01:00:26] Yeah. Like if I do one of these up, the big shows we have like these BJJ sharps, like the worlds and stuff. I have to weigh in in a walk on the mat. I just do ultra heavy, so I don't even know. Even, even though I'll be like the smallest guy in the division. Right. But that

[01:00:40] Carl Lanore: [01:00:40] don't have to worry about it. Right.

[01:00:42] So you have a fight, you have a fight coming up. Talk about

[01:00:47] Phil Dunlap: [01:00:47] her actually a history. Three of them in the next month. I have back to back.

[01:00:51] Carl Lanore: [01:00:51] By the way, did you catch that? Phil's 57 years old. I just want to go ahead

[01:00:58] Phil Dunlap: [01:00:58] back. Just bash with a [01:01:00] guy named Shannon rich. Uh, he, he, he's a well known mixed martial arts fighter.

[01:01:03] He's got over 200 fights. He's like the busiest guy in mixed martial arts and they were looking for a match for him. And when the promoted contacted me, we went back and forth and we're doing one in my hometown, one in his hometown. And then, uh, next month, uh, the, uh, first weekend of next month in March, I'm going with a, uh, former mixed martial arts fighter.

[01:01:25] And, uh, he was a K one kickboxer, a Dutch Pew. And he, uh, one of the reasons I'm promoting that one as approach show. But I'm, I'm promoting that one because I'm donating my purse and my ticket sells to the health care of his son. He's got a son with a rare spinal, uh, congenital spinal, 24 hour health care.

[01:01:49] Uh, he needs like, you know, wheelchairs, beds, all of that stuff. And wouldn't trying to do is, you know, listen. We're going to walk on the mat and I'm [01:02:00] actually friends with this guy. Okay? I'm actually friends with Shannon rich too. In other words, I'll walk on the mat with my best friend. We'll try to rip each other's limbs off and then we'll walk out and have a good time together afterwards.

[01:02:12] Like I'm one of those guys. It doesn't need to be any like bad evil intent. And what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to show that, you know. We're not a bunch of dogs. Okay? We're community and life is about how we help each other. So even the words, when, when I heard about his son and my hurt, that they were going through difficulties you, I wanted to, I wanted to show people that we're a community.

[01:02:33] Okay. That he and I could walk on a mat in front of kill each other. You know, look at what we're doing. I joke around that like  submission, grappling. Now I've got, I've got CTS or can't take a letter head trauma. So I call it aggressive cut. But we're, we're basically simulating murder on each other, right.

[01:02:49] Okay. And I, I want to show people that, you know, we're a community. We help each other out. We have each other's backs, okay? Because any end, if you want to be remembered, you want to be remembered for what you do for [01:03:00] people. But look at your show. Look, look at all the knowledge you part imparting. And I, I know it's gotta be awesome for you when some guy reaches out to you and says, yo, you don't know me.

[01:03:10] But what? I saw a new show and you saved my life,

[01:03:13] Carl Lanore: [01:03:13] or I'm

[01:03:13] Phil Dunlap: [01:03:13] so much healthier now because I watched your show. It's gotta be a great ceiling because somebody's life is better because you're doing something, you're in.

[01:03:21] Carl Lanore: [01:03:21] It's re, it's really the payoff because trust me, I don't make a lot of money doing this. I mean, I don't get me wrong.

[01:03:26] I, I have a nice life, but it's not like I'm, you know, uh, and, and I can't sell this, cause I actually talked to somebody about like, you think they'll be able to sell my show someday? They're like, Whoa, as long as you're going to keep working there. So, yeah. You know, I'm stuck now. I mean, I gotta I gotta stay in this chair.

[01:03:42] Phil Dunlap: [01:03:42] He's kind of funny is I just sold my business. You did. What was that

[01:03:46] Carl Lanore: [01:03:46] you did? Yeah, because you were, you were a consultant and didn't you put together government contracts or something like that?

[01:03:52] Phil Dunlap: [01:03:52] I do. Um, I was finally in seed government contracts and it's kind of funny, a big hedge fund in New York reached out to me and they were [01:04:00] interested in buying the company because what they do is they buy a lot of international, local and municipal debt, but they weren't doing a lot of federal, okay.

[01:04:07] So they reached out to me about buying a company and I had two apartments. Okay. About halfway through the negotiations, suddenly I find out. Yeah. They want the customers, they want the business, but they want me.

[01:04:18] Carl Lanore: [01:04:18] Ah,

[01:04:19] Phil Dunlap: [01:04:19] okay. So what ha, what ended up happening is that now we were basically a five person operation.

[01:04:24] You know, we were, we were small boutique outfit. When I say small, we were, we were all financing between 20 and $80 million a month. And that sounds like a lot to some people, but in the scope of things, it's not right. Okay. Now, now these guys, these guys have made your money like you would build it. Right.

[01:04:41] Okay. So basically, suddenly, I'm now president of a company in California that has 75 employees.

[01:04:48] Carl Lanore: [01:04:48] Oh ha. It's funny. So you got to stay with them for a set period of time. Right. That

[01:04:55] Phil Dunlap: [01:04:55] was the actually funny thing is I had a vision. [01:05:00] Of a government contract, a finance company that not only provided financing, but also prevent, uh, promoted services to fuel growth.

[01:05:10] So we do proposals, we do all sorts of things, and they actually like, I think I'm going to stay forever. Basically what they did is they asked me for a plan. I gave him a plan, and then they, then when you deal with financial people, it's so funny how much. You spit out a number. I just looked at you and said, we're okay.

[01:05:30] Really? Okay. So it's like I'm looking at him uncle look to the Cape too, and then when they go out there, when I go out to California to start training people, I'm like, what did I get into? I got a lot of people here with me,

[01:05:41] Carl Lanore: [01:05:41] George, you know? That's pretty cool. That's pretty

[01:05:43] Phil Dunlap: [01:05:43] cool. It's kind of like, you know, it's like sometimes you have a business and you don't realize it.

[01:05:50] But the business is you.

[01:05:51] Carl Lanore: [01:05:51] Yeah, and that's, that's my, that's my challenge. I'll be, I got a ball, I got train on my ankle. So talk about that. So the fight that you're doing with your [01:06:00] friend and his last name is Pew,

[01:06:02] Phil Dunlap: [01:06:02] yet you P you, you right.

[01:06:05] Carl Lanore: [01:06:05] Okay. And so, so what does that fight? It's in March.

[01:06:09] Phil Dunlap: [01:06:09] It's March 7th and he's out here in Vegas.

[01:06:12] Carl Lanore: [01:06:12] Okay. Where is it? What's the venue? What was that? What's the venue where in Vegas or

[01:06:17] Phil Dunlap: [01:06:17] training Academy? Okay. And if anybody's interested in checking it out or contributing to Dutch, his son a DJ. Now, like I said, you know, it's like people use these terms. Uh, you know, I was a former kickboxer, a former mixed martial arts fight.

[01:06:34] Now I'm an old guy getting out on the mat and grappling and people always use terms like gladiator warrior and bullshit. Okay. You know, I'm an old guy having fun fighting isn't that hard. It's arrest. Okay. Worst thing happens. Even you get brave. Okay. Ref stops the fight, your unconscious on the ground, you wake up.

[01:06:56] Carl Lanore: [01:06:56] Right.

[01:06:56] Phil Dunlap: [01:06:56] Okay. And when you look at it, very few people actually die. [01:07:00] But truthfully, Dutch is a, he's a former vet. Okay. And what does families going through? I can't even imagine. Okay. Look, I have a video of DJ and we call him DJ the champ. Okay. Cause I gotta be honest with you. These people are the real warriors to the real chips.

[01:07:17] Cause this is the real battle in life. I can't even imagine having one of my children's sick right

[01:07:23] Carl Lanore: [01:07:23] there like that

[01:07:24] Phil Dunlap: [01:07:24] and not, and not. Being able to solve it. It's not like a head cold. Well, you know it's going to get better. You know these people, these people are in for a battle of a lifetime. So you know, if anybody wants to hit me up to Facebook, I'll have a link there that you can go to.

[01:07:41] And you can either buy tickets to the event. Now, if you buy tickets and you don't come, okay, I'll give the tech tickets to a disabled vet. And there's also a button where you can contribute. And I'll be honest with you. A dollar, $2 $5 adds up. As I said, I'm putting my personal 

[01:07:59] Carl Lanore: [01:07:59] so [01:08:00] you want people to go to your Facebook page to do this.

[01:08:02] Phil Dunlap: [01:08:02] Go to my Facebook page because there'll be a link on there cause it's an, it's an event right site and it's got a long titles, like just can't spit it out over the. Over the

[01:08:12] Carl Lanore: [01:08:12] internet because it's just not, I'm putting Phil's name up here, right? Uh, it's filled Dunlap. Do you N L a P on Facebook. Are there any other, so, so is there any other way for people to get in touch with you besides go to Facebook?

[01:08:25] Phil Dunlap: [01:08:25] Uh, actually my email address is filthy at T H. a. I N G thang. It's actually a Burmese Marshall blur.net.

[01:08:37] Carl Lanore: [01:08:37] Okay. So it's, it's, it's filled D at thang, T. H a. I. N. G. dot. Net.

[01:08:43] Phil Dunlap: [01:08:43] Yes. Yes. And, uh, listen, this is a good cause. And like I, like I try to do, whenever I get a pro purse or something like that, or the last one I did was for the vets.

[01:08:54] Okay. Uh, listen, like I said, I'm in a financial business, the money and Marsh was like, [01:09:00] you know, I, I'm amazed at 57 people are paying me money. Give me a hotel room of flying me someplace

[01:09:08] Carl Lanore: [01:09:08] to grab it

[01:09:09] Phil Dunlap: [01:09:09] to do what I love. Okay. Cause like I'll be honest with you, I go to tournaments, I did a tournament and I had to move down to the adult absolute division because there was nobody over third.

[01:09:19] Carl Lanore: [01:09:19] What is the ad? Adult AB absolute division. What is that?

[01:09:22] Phil Dunlap: [01:09:22] 18 basically what happened is there was nobody my size. And nobody might age. So the old vision open to me was like an open division that anybody could enter from 18 up

[01:09:35] Carl Lanore: [01:09:35] and any weight.

[01:09:37] Phil Dunlap: [01:09:37] And it's so funny. I'll go and I'll check in and somebody will look at me.

[01:09:40] You hear the coach. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm fighting

[01:09:46] Carl Lanore: [01:09:46] my sons fighting. They figured we want to after the code, right?

[01:09:50] Phil Dunlap: [01:09:50] If you do go to my Facebook page, you can see a click. Where did the submission undergrounds that now it went viral. Okay. Because  and you have no idea that [01:10:00] something's going to happen when you're doing it.

[01:10:01] I go from Vegas up to Portland. Okay. Now I'm not really prepared for the weather. I wear my leather bomber jacket on on the plane. Okay. Cause I know Cortland might be called, but I don't really, I don't really come prepared. So I've got all my gear cause I'm gonna fly back after the event. Okay. So I'm gonna have scares.

[01:10:16] I warm up, I get my sweat going, I'm feeling good. But the building is freezing cold cause we're in a basement. So I reach into my bag and I have a pair of a snowman pajama bottoms. I have a tendency to wear loud pajama bottoms around that, and I would go to the store and people make comments, but it's kind of like I got these snowman pajama bottoms on a pair of flip flops and a leather bomber jacket.

[01:10:38] Okay. I walked down to the cage. And you get, Oh, of course you're doing the . And I always come out to heart by Johnny Cash. People love that. You get to my age, you can get away with a song. Like

[01:10:50] Carl Lanore: [01:10:50] I

[01:10:50] Phil Dunlap: [01:10:50] walked down to the cage, I take my mouthpiece out of my mouth and I take you hit a water and the ring announcer goes, Oh my God.

[01:11:01] [01:11:00] I thought it was a fighter's

[01:11:02] Carl Lanore: [01:11:02] father. Ha ha.

[01:11:06] Phil Dunlap: [01:11:06] I take the uh, bomber jacket too often, and I take the, you know, the PJ bottoms off. I get in the cage and he goes, man, that is the best ring entrance I've ever

[01:11:14] Carl Lanore: [01:11:14] seen.

[01:11:17] Phil Dunlap: [01:11:17] Then he starts to go on about how big I am. Right. You know? But it's kind of funny. In other words, it's just so cool to, to, to.

[01:11:26] Be able to do these things. Okay.

[01:11:29] Carl Lanore: [01:11:29] And now you're at that age. Wait, like, like I always say about me, I'm not vain anymore. I don't care what I look like. I'll show up at the gym with the same gym clothes on three days in a row. If I smell a little bit, stand further away from me, you know? That's it. That's all.

[01:11:44] But I mean, it's like, you know, and we're too old to apologize for who we are now. It's too late.

[01:11:50] Phil Dunlap: [01:11:50] Honestly. Did just, this is so funny because I always tell people, you guys ask me. For advice because, you know, I become an elder statesman in sport, [01:12:00] and I always tell myself, I always tell people, if I had one thing to tell my younger self, okay, now remember, like, you know, nowadays, like, you know, yeah, I win world titles, but I consider myself somebody playing out the string.

[01:12:13] Carl Lanore: [01:12:13] Right know, I, I

[01:12:14] Phil Dunlap: [01:12:14] won, I won all four divisions at the SG J I have worlds and you know, I, I won, I won four divisions that they, uh, I'd be GGF nationals. So like, you know, when I, when it comes to being an older grapple, I do well against guys over 40. I deal with, I still do really well against the kids, but I lose more against the kids than I do against the guys, me and my own age.

[01:12:34] But like, I always tell people, but one thing to tell myself. When I was younger. Enjoy it. Enjoy the ride.

[01:12:41] Carl Lanore: [01:12:41] Yeah.

[01:12:41] Phil Dunlap: [01:12:41] Okay. Cause I'm so busy trying to, like, I won three world kicking boxing titles. I won a stadium championship in Thailand and like I always tell people it's, I was so busy trying to be something, the baddest man on the planet, blah, blah, blah.

[01:12:57] You know, all that stupid shit. [01:13:00] No, I'm just out there and I'm like, man, coolest shit ever. You know, it's just such a different feeling. Okay. Or kill people. Yes. You got

[01:13:10] Carl Lanore: [01:13:10] no, you got nothing left to prove you got nothing.

[01:13:14] Phil Dunlap: [01:13:14] Why aren't you nervous? Why would I be nervous? Cause I was supposed to be dead.

[01:13:20] Carl Lanore: [01:13:20] You've had a thought, you've had over a thousand grappling matches.

[01:13:23] Think about that for a second,

[01:13:25] Phil Dunlap: [01:13:25] 300 since turning 52 and I'm really proud of that.

[01:13:28] Carl Lanore: [01:13:28] Yeah. Yeah.

[01:13:30] Phil Dunlap: [01:13:30] Okay. Because I gotta be honest with you. I've heard from so many people when I came back, you know, when I beat the cancer and I came back, you know, everybody's always, everybody's always, you can't, you can't do that.

[01:13:43] You can't feel, watch me. Huh? You know? I always tell people, if I have a more motto, it's watching it. Right? If you're telling me.

[01:13:55] Carl Lanore: [01:13:55] Listen what we're got, we're getting close to the bottom. So let's tell her. Let's summarize. So you have three fights [01:14:00] coming up. The dates are, and the venues are, and how can people reach you?

[01:14:03] Phil Dunlap: [01:14:03] What is this weekend in Vegas? Next weekend in Phoenix. And the last one is on the seventh in Vegas at the Tarkanian center, and it's called submission Hunter pro 53. And people can buy, they can, they can reach out and contact me through Facebook or my email and I'll send them to the site where they can get tickets or contribute to the healthcare of our DJ, the champ.

[01:14:30] And it was any help you can, you can do for this family. You know? I would personally really appreciate because I really want to show people that this community has each other's back.

[01:14:42] Carl Lanore: [01:14:42] Yeah. I get it, I get it. So there you go. And go to his Facebook page, a look fulfilled Dunlop on Facebook, a friend him. And if you could help out, help out.

[01:14:53] If you live in these areas or they're within driving distance, you get more information about how to get tickets and the [01:15:00] venue from him. So there you go.

[01:15:02] Phil Dunlap: [01:15:02] And also anybody that wants anybody that wants, you know, just to talk about being an old guy.

[01:15:09] Carl Lanore: [01:15:09] Still doing crap.

[01:15:10] Phil Dunlap: [01:15:10] I love to talk about

[01:15:11] Carl Lanore: [01:15:11] it.

[01:15:12] Phil Dunlap: [01:15:12] Yeah. Like if you want advice on diet and nutrition for an older guy, if you want advice on how to get back into the shit you love reach-out, you know what?

[01:15:22] Life is about helping each other.

[01:15:24] Carl Lanore: [01:15:24] Yeah. I may reach out to you. I have something. I'm just, I just realized that I'm going to ask you for, I need some advice. Okay. Perfect. Perfect. Okay. All right. Well look, Phil, I'm going to drop you here and, uh, and I'm going to go to real, real quick, close the show. Uh, I wanna thank everybody for watching today.

[01:15:40] If you can help out with Phil's causes, please do tomorrow. We have a really, really important show. Um, I get emails from people all the time. Is there a peptide for depression? And no, there isn't. Until now, and we're going to talk about it tomorrow. Dr Betsy [01:16:00] earth has got to come on the show. It's a special time.

[01:16:02] I'll post it on the superior radio network page here in the next few hours. I think the show is going to be at two o'clock or two 30 tomorrow. Uh, but don't miss it because a major depressive disorders are a big problem and now there's something that doesn't screw up your brain and make you feel worse about your life.

[01:16:21] While it's trying to numb you to the pain of your depression. There's actually a peptide that can go right to the source and reverse the depression. So tune in to that one tomorrow. Tell your friends about a cherish show. Shares. Yo, I used to drink at a place in, in Brooklyn called  hoodies. Jackie Gleason used to bartend there, and when I got there, Tootie was an old guy and I was a young guy and I used to sit there and I used to nurse a 25 cent draft beer all night long trying to talk to girls.

[01:16:48] And Tony would come by and he'd go to me, spend a buck for Christ's sake. There you go. I'll leave you with that one. And we'll see our by tomorrow with more superhuman radio. [01:17:00]