[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] I'm in a hurry. Let's lower that. Welcome back to another episode of super human radio. Today is the renew life RX show with my cohost, Adam Lamb. He's actually here today.

[00:00:09] Adam Lamb: [00:00:09] I'm happy to say

[00:00:10] Carl Lanore: [00:00:10] today is February 20th 20 2002 two Oh two Oh two Oh. Very, very important date for those of you listening a hundred years from now, uh, we're going to be talking today about the influences of sex hormones on vascular aging.

[00:00:31] And, uh, I have some interesting

[00:00:33] Adam Lamb: [00:00:33] angles on this whole discussion.

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[00:01:20] Adam Lamb: [00:01:20] Lamb,

[00:01:25] Carl Lanore: [00:01:25] Adam Lamb. I like that idea. Thank God I didn't put the Milo. Ronnie Milo. Spotting today,

[00:01:34] Adam Lamb: [00:01:34] is there a Ronnie Milo version?

[00:01:35] Carl Lanore: [00:01:35] No. I keep telling him I should make one, but I said, now we got to keep on them with us. We got to keep

[00:01:40] Adam Lamb: [00:01:40] that. I'll just come just enough. So you don't do that.

[00:01:44] Carl Lanore: [00:01:44] How are you? Well, how are you you, I mean, you'll all over the place.

[00:01:48] You're getting coverage. You're on so many different podcasts and articles and talk about what's going on with you.

[00:01:57] Adam Lamb: [00:01:57] Yeah. You've been busy doing [00:02:00] just, you know, kind of growing. Yeah, I'm a, I've been on a mission since day one to just do what I can to, to build, uh, you know, clinics basically that can facilitate things that are important.

[00:02:12] Guys like you and I, whether it's regenerative medicine, hormone replacement therapy. And what has happened is once you kind of create something that's pretty good, a lot of people will want to figure out. So, you know, not only just I have seven clinics, uh, here in the U S just like in the last. Two weeks that have signed up that want our team to come in and help them get processes going and stuff like that.

[00:02:37] So then they can serve more people. Right. And then we've got a massive influx of people, um, through, you know, just being out there spreading the word. I was on Ben Greenfield's podcast. I'm not going to be on the minimalist podcast in LA.

[00:02:50] Carl Lanore: [00:02:50] You ever heard of those guys? No, I don't think I have.

[00:02:52] Adam Lamb: [00:02:52] I have a Netflix thing called, uh, it's a pretty cool show.

[00:02:55] And I saw like a couple of years ago called minimalism, and it's just about. Just [00:03:00] that day to day grind and then these guys breaking down and they'd like just got rid of everything. Like, you know, they got three shirts, one pair, she liked that kind of stuff. It's

[00:03:07] Carl Lanore: [00:03:07] really the Spartan lifestyle. You know, I, I've often thought about that myself, and I'm sure that the reason they're popular is because all of us think about it every single day.

[00:03:16] We're like, man, I just want simplicity in my life.

[00:03:20] Adam Lamb: [00:03:20] And one of the things, you know, one of our philosophies at renew life RX for hormones is. That, you know, less is more, you know, like what's the simplest path, not the most complex path. Right. And I find, especially in our women, that we ended up having this more simple path.

[00:03:35] Then they're OB GYN or whoever else they're about previously, where they went from nine things to two things, and now they actually feel better as opposed to the same. And so, yeah, just all over the place were our general medicine doing. You know, with the STEM cell treatment and that kind of stuff has just been bang in and grow.

[00:03:52] We've got people flying in from all over the country to come to Houston and get it done because we just have great results. And then I'm also going to be setting up [00:04:00] a few clinics throughout the country too, that, uh, with some, some great docs. So it's been good, man. It's been exciting. I'm glad Milo is able to come in and add value.

[00:04:08] He's, he's private is better content than I do,

[00:04:11] Carl Lanore: [00:04:11] but have a new one. I thought, you know, um. Don't get me wrong. Ronnie's great. I love Ronnie. Um, but I mean, it's also good having you here as well because it's a different type of contribution entirely. And so today's discussion is very appropriate. I, I just, uh, came back from the American red cross.

[00:04:29] I, you know, my, my audience knows this, that, um, I've really figured out, um, some of the things that cause us to age and appropriately, and it's not sexy stuff. Iron overload is one of them. Overload is a subjective term because what's overload for you may not be overload. For me, everybody's body can

[00:04:52] Adam Lamb: [00:04:52] tolerate different levels of of iron

[00:04:54] Carl Lanore: [00:04:54] before it starts to manifest problems.

[00:04:58] And so, um, I [00:05:00] got lucky this morning and I showed up at the red red cross and they said, Oh, you know, you're a positive. We usually don't allow a positive people to do a double red. Right? Because we don't need it that bad. But right now we need it. So would you like to do a double red? And with double red is they actually take twice as much red blood cells than a normal donation, and they, but they then infuse back into you your own plasma plus saline.

[00:05:29] So you leave with exactly the same volume of blood in your veins as when you walked in. But, but. A huge amount of red blood cells are removed, which means a huge watered down iron. Yeah. It basically changes the concentration of your blood, so you lose a bunch of iron, bunch of of red blood cells, which lowers hematocrit and everything else.

[00:05:53] And you know, while I'm laying there doing this, I'm thinking about today's show. I'm thinking about today's show because. [00:06:00] A study was recently published that looked at the effects of sex hormones on a vasculature of humans. And we know now we know now that blood vessels, uh, may be what goes wrong. That starts all of the symptoms of aging.

[00:06:20] And let me, let me, let me couch that for a second. So many of you know, we've been talking about. An exciting new peptide on the show. No one knew about it till I talked about it. It had been a tide ARA two 90. It actually could, could make small nerve fibers regrow, uh, uh, people with, with the sensory neuropathy and, and, and, uh, motor neuropathy improve in 28 days.

[00:06:45] It's, it's a remarkable, they will get. Oh my God, yes. They did biopsies of, uh, of, of skin and they showed before and after the same person. They looked at the cornea, even the nerves and the cornea were growing. That means the nerves in the brain are growing. That [00:07:00] means the nerves in the spinal cord are growing.

[00:07:01] The means, the nerves and the lungs are growing. It's like refurbishes the wiring harness in your body from the, from the bottom up. Okay. He's back. Hold on a second. And reefer. That's okay. It's okay. Sit tight. There you go. Uh, it refurbishes the wiring harness and in the body from the bottom up, it's an amazing peptide.

[00:07:22] I predicted probably going to be the one that has the greatest impact on what we consider aging. So back up a little bit. We've been talking on the show that neuropathy is actually caused by blood vessels that stopped feeding nerves.

[00:07:39] Adam Lamb: [00:07:39] Yeah. And we do a lot in the regenerative medicine space on rapid thi cause there's no treatments for it.

[00:07:44] And so what we've learned is the STEM cell treatment and that in that feat, for example, for neuropathy, it gets the nerves to start responding again, which calls more blood flow. More blood flow gets the nerves stronger, more the nerve more. No [00:08:00] communication brings the blood back. Cause that's what it's the reverse, right?

[00:08:03] That that goes into causing neuropathy is the lack of blood flow. Stops feeding the nerve, the nerve stops sending the signal that blood flow stops coming in. It just, you go down and we actually, we can reverse that with whichever

[00:08:17] Carl Lanore: [00:08:17] medicine. But here's the part, here's the prop. But here's the problem. Even with the  study, which was the submitted tied study in 28 days, took people who had trouble walking and had them walking at the mall for hours.

[00:08:33] Like in 28 days, it regrew this has to be part of your STEM cell therapy. I'm telling you right now, it's submitted. I'm

[00:08:40] Adam Lamb: [00:08:40] going to look into it.

[00:08:41] Carl Lanore: [00:08:41] Yeah. TaylorMade is making it so, but here's the problem. If you don't remove the insult, you're just going to break down again. You're just going to have the neuropathy again.

[00:08:52] You've got to stop what caused it in the first place. And there's a lot of things that are related to that, and one of [00:09:00] them is hormones. .

[00:09:02] Adam Lamb: [00:09:02] Yeah. Another one too where we won't do it, and a lot of, um, I'll say less reputable clinics will do is if your A1C is too high, you know, if we have, a lot of times peripheral neuropathy or you know, in the feet is us, is because of type two diabetes.

[00:09:19] Right. And so if you are, they want to see is over seven. We won't treat folks cause we know that that inflammation internally so bad

[00:09:29] Carl Lanore: [00:09:29] come right.

[00:09:29] Adam Lamb: [00:09:29] But because we have a good 94.4% satisfaction rating, I don't want to mess that up. Right. And so if I give it to, if we treat you and you don't get a good result because of your unhealthy lifestyle.

[00:09:41] Yeah, well, I don't want to take your money. We're not gonna waste your money or, or our reputation. And so that, that's one of them. And then, yeah, your hormones is, that's the second thing we do in folks come into the office, we draw their blood actually before we treat them. So then we can take a look at that hormone thing and put them on a, a plan post treatment as well.

[00:09:57] Carl Lanore: [00:09:57] So in this particular study, countermeasures to [00:10:00] cardiovascular aging, it was a symposium, uh, with the American physiological

[00:10:05] Adam Lamb: [00:10:05] society.

[00:10:06] Carl Lanore: [00:10:06] They looked at men and women. And vascular aging cause vascular aging is now on. This stood to cause compromise, uh, lung function, heart function, brain function, you know, name it, adrenals function.

[00:10:21] Uh, and of course, motors, motor function and sensory function. So we started to realize like, Oh, I get it now. So when we're not irrigating that field back there. Corn stops growing. Ah, okay. So we gotta irrigate that field again. So there's a lot of discussion on what could actually reverse vascular aging, because we know if we can reverse fascicular aging, that we actually can reverse a lot of disease States.

[00:10:51] Well, they looked at the sex differences and they looked at sex hormones and they found a direct correlation between both estrogen and testosterone in men and women. [00:11:00] And they found. Both in men and both in women being important, not uh, Oh, estrogen is a woman's hormone and test out no men and women who had higher levels of testosterone and estrogen tended not to have vascular dysfunction.

[00:11:17] And that's what we're talking about here. We're talking about blood vessels that are basically lined with muscle. That has to open and close, right? It's not a, it's not a SOC, it's the blood vessels, not a sock. It's not just dangling there until something fills it up. It actually has its own motor skills that it opens and closes with, and there's certain things that irritated inflammation will make them clothes.

[00:11:41] Iron is one of the things. That's why I wanted to get back to and get in the discussion today. We know now that iron can actually, iron overload can actually lead to. Peripheral neuropathy. So it irritates. Iron is an agitator. It's an irritating, it irritates [00:12:00] the blood vessels. It causes inflammation. It's probably one of the most inflammatory things in our body.

[00:12:05] Bar. None. It hyper oxidizer, it's spins, ROS, like it's like it's a machine. So that's one of the things that could be leading to these blood vessels changing in functionality. But we do know that hormones play a role too. I mean, look, Adam, I know you know this. Women who have spider veins in their legs, you can almost point that the ones that are low on estrogen, because once their estrogen drops, they start to get those little broken blood vessels behind their knee in the popliteal area or in their lower legs.

[00:12:39] They start getting those little bluey spider veins. That's because the estrogen is going away in their body.

[00:12:46] Adam Lamb: [00:12:46] It also, you know, what we forget about though too, is that the testosterone is also going away, right? And what we found with women is that where we put them on a healthy dose of testosterone, guess what else comes out?

[00:13:00] [00:13:00] Carl Lanore: [00:13:00] The rest your estrogen.

[00:13:01] Adam Lamb: [00:13:01] And it goes healthy, um, healthy, uh, level, you know, and same with men. Um, and we, you know, it's, it's, it's incredible. We see a lot of men with low. Like not doing anything with low estrodial. Right. And obviously those men don't need in a row, but this date a real inhibitor when they're on testosterone.

[00:13:20] Uh, rarely, but sometimes we said just sky Amir, look, this blood work scoring Estradal was at 88 cause never touched anything. He's, he's a little higher. I don't remember. I'd have to, I don't remember. I remember just looking, seeing as that port came through. If we're doing, I don't know if I told you, we're working on some pretty awesome studies this year too, so it'll be cool to reference that on the shows as well.

[00:13:42] Um, I'd have to double check, but yeah, that's a, that's a red flag. Your restaurant, I was at 88. You're not on any kind of hormones or just toss rooms at 400 or 300 that's a challenge.

[00:13:53] Carl Lanore: [00:13:53] Well, one of the things you should look at, anyone who has idiopathic high extra dial levels, [00:14:00] men, and why say idiopathic, let's say he's very lean, right?

[00:14:03] When you look at the people at 50 cytochrome cascade, the cycle oxygen is a cycle. Oxygen ACE enzyme. Which is responsible for inflammatory response. Cox one, Cox two is just one click upstream from aromatase. So the more inflammation you have in your body, the more aromatase enzyme you produce because you have more precursor.

[00:14:28] So I think if you look at those kinds of people and see and start doing some inflammatory panels on them, you're going to see that if you're on a chronic, chronically inflamed. Right. Chronically.

[00:14:41] Adam Lamb: [00:14:41] Yeah, for sure. We, we, we look at that and it's not because we treat it, but it's more so we want to treat.

[00:14:47] Again, going back to our goal was great outcome, right? And so the more things we look at and the more conversations we have about your lifestyle and nutrition, there's a guy recently who had like an alkaline phosphatase was. Always off or [00:15:00] something like that. And we just went through and I said, you know, what's something unique about you that doesn't seem unique?

[00:15:05] Cause it's you. It's really who you are. And I'd say this to just any listener to look at him like, I drink these like Waterloo, sparking waters. I probably have eight of those things a day. I don't know if it's, if there's any negative cons, my blood work looks fine. But anyway, this gentleman, he was like, you know what?

[00:15:22] I drink about three or four Coke zeros a day. I was like, well let's stop. And will we get your updated blood work? You know, let's give yourself 30 days before your followup blood work, and then, you know, it's hormones. Everything. We're good. Oakland phosphatase got normal for the first time in like six years in this scare, five years, whatever it was, and this guy's life that had happened.

[00:15:42] And we just solve that just by having a conversation. Right. And so to your point, you know the, I think that through vascular aging, there's a lot of things, right? Exercise is going to continue to strengthen. That vascular muscle of having to, if you never have to pump the blood, well, it's gonna be pump.

[00:15:58] The blood is when you're having anxiety or [00:16:00] stress and you're not going to, it's not going to help you really well. And I think the other thing, which is, which we, we do a lot with, I personally, I don't know if you do, but I do. Is low dose. Cialis for men is one of the number one things that we see success with.

[00:16:15] I am an, I started just cause we had so many men raving about having more energy and just feeling better. Obviously better pumps in the gym. No, BPH, obviously a little better,

[00:16:25] Carl Lanore: [00:16:25] but I got a challenge. The better pumps in the gym thing  because it's a different nitric oxide that's being produced in muscle than in the tissue that.

[00:16:35] Phosphodiesterase five inhibitors focus on now,

[00:16:39] Adam Lamb: [00:16:39] but it's still there,

[00:16:41] Carl Lanore: [00:16:41] but it's not in muscle. It's not an, uh, I stand to be corrected. Yeah.

[00:16:47] Adam Lamb: [00:16:47] Have you ever tried it?

[00:16:48] Carl Lanore: [00:16:48] If you're taking it? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Years ago and, and, and, and occasionally. I still do. Uh, but it, but when you look at the research, a PDE five inhibitors specifically [00:17:00] inhibits.

[00:17:00] Nitric oxide production in specific tissue only, and that tissue happens to be in the heart and in the penis that it focuses on it. This is a

[00:17:15] Adam Lamb: [00:17:15] much more of that is those those studies is how many of those studies were done specifically like, Hey guys, take this. Go get out there and

[00:17:24] Carl Lanore: [00:17:24] you're right, you're right that they never, they're never done with those people, but they're not.

[00:17:28] Adam Lamb: [00:17:28] And so, and, and, and those are some of the, not that we're doing studies like that, but those are some of the studies that we're doing. We look at a lot of these studies that people are leveraging, leveraging your work. There's this one, the other day someone sent me about a testicular cream being the best absorption in all the, there's 20 people in the study and they were all had been abusing nandrolone.

[00:17:46] No DECA for two years. I was like,

[00:17:49] Carl Lanore: [00:17:49] well, and the PR and the problem with testicular administration of creams is that there's a higher conversion to DHT. Now, if you're good with that, then go up. I'm not, I'm trying to fight, right? I bought it, but [00:18:00] I know this is the new thing right now. Everybody's out there going, Oh, rub your testosterone cream on your nuts, because that's where it's supposed to come from, and I get it.

[00:18:09] the logic is there, but here's the problem. There is so much more. Five alpha reductase in scrotal tissue. Yeah, that's the amount of DHT produced that way is like five fold greater than any other form of administration. So as long as you're cool with that,

[00:18:26] Adam Lamb: [00:18:26] if there isn't any study that shows that there is zero potential for erector Oriel issues in that space.

[00:18:33] And that's the other thing, like for me. That works real well. And I think for most men that it, everything works real well down there. They don't want to mess with it. You know? And I think the thousands of guys we've had that are rubbing on the shoulder, rubbing on the back of their knee, rub it on their form, whatever it works, you know?

[00:18:48] So why go that route? I know we're digressing off.

[00:18:52] Carl Lanore: [00:18:52] No, this is all good because we're telling people they need to get, we're telling men and women that they need to raise testosterone and estrogen [00:19:00] so that they can avoid vascular decline.

[00:19:02] Adam Lamb: [00:19:02] And some of the parts that w w. What isn't also studied or the conversation doesn't have, is you can do a study that shows increased testosterone, helps vascular aging, but a lot of the reason it might too is it may motivate you a little bit more to to exercise.

[00:19:18] It may bring that libido back to have more sexual activity, which helps get no heart

[00:19:23] Carl Lanore: [00:19:23] rate up. But here's an interesting factor in this study. So in, in women with low estrogen, the. So normally exercise can actually reverse these vascular changes, right? Right. And in women and men, it almost always does. In women, the exercise adaptation was diminished or absent.

[00:19:49] When they didn't have enough estrogen. Estrogen. So this means that this is true. How many times have women said, you know, exercise doesn't work for me. I just don't understand it. It may be true, [00:20:00] they may need to supplement with Astra, dial first and then start training, but men, men don't have that problem 

[00:20:09] Adam Lamb: [00:20:09] first and then just as women, it just because.

[00:20:13] What we know about what testosterone does with muscle building and, and, and metabolism and things like that. It just  was just never researched in women enough to, to, you know, it's how much we see it being the Holy grail and that excessive amounts. You know, there are some, the other day just came in and she was doing 40 milligrams.

[00:20:32] Every night before bed that's excessive. Like our average woman's doing four, four milligrams a day just to be up. I mean, the amount of women we see that their testosterone is literally less than three, like not even registering. Right. I would say 20% are like in that single digit range. Right? Of course you have no libido.

[00:20:52] Of course, you all, all the the symptoms and issues play that role and you can throw estrogen at them until you're blue in the face. [00:21:00] But. It doesn't make their testosterone go up. It doesn't make that drive. And that kind of libido, like it just, it doesn't always come from it. But what we do see is that when testosterone levels are optimized, the other thing else kind of gets in line because just Austin's an upstream hormone.

[00:21:13] Carl Lanore: [00:21:13] Yep. No, I agree. And in fact, uh, the older men did respond better to exercise, uh, then then the women for sure, but one of the, and, and one of the pathways that they think. It is because that these sex hormones do elicit a great and nitric oxide response, which comes back to what you're talking about with the low dose Cialis and stuff like that.

[00:21:37] I just think it was interesting that they said in older women, exercise adaptations were diminished. And then, and when they talked about men, they said, uh, the under here and, and older men. The age associated decline in endothelial function was an older men was mitigated by [00:22:00] exercise. So this gives us, you know, an exercise, lifelong exercise has been shown to either keep the vasculature from getting funky in the first place or completely reverse it and make it healthy again.

[00:22:15] So with women, they need to supplement with hormones in order to see. Those benefits. That's a really kind of bad hand to be dealt, you know, guys into respond better.

[00:22:28] Adam Lamb: [00:22:28] Another part of that, you know, it just because we specifically are a hormone clinic, we are very much a lifestyle clinic in the sense of that it's important, like when I see, you know, this is superhuman radio.

[00:22:39] There's guys, guys like you and me on the show who obviously have active lifestyle, but it's crazy to me and probably to you to see people that they don't exercise like. If th the only time they walk is maybe like to the grocery store and out, or because they had to park far in the restaurant and back, like that's the only, literally the only thing they do.

[00:22:58] And so [00:23:00] it's hard to get a grasp on. That, and it's just simple that those behaviors of like the young people that are watching this, like stay active, like go, go for walks, like whatever, whatever it takes to keep that habit going. Um, and so then you do age gracefully, you know what I mean? As, as opposed to like.

[00:23:19] Well, I'm 50 now, so now I need to go on hormones, but I'm still not doing anything for my nutrition. I'm still not being active. Like you're not going to get lectures. All

[00:23:27] Carl Lanore: [00:23:27] right. And, and I, and tumeric, Nicole makes a comment, you know, centrally may, late night, not a niacin. Cildentofil Phil. Yes. All good supplements.

[00:23:36] But again, if you're not in motion all the time, you have, I really believe this now that I'm 61 years old. If you're not constantly like cardio, people who bash cardio, they don't get it. They really don't get it. Walking is the natural thing for your body to do. It'll correct lower back problems. I mean, it's just so good for you.

[00:23:58] You don't have to do much more than [00:24:00] walk every single day. Walk as often as you can. And you just will age better and then lifting obviously, and having more muscle is another added component. Supplements and stuff like that. I think that they may help improve.

[00:24:15] Adam Lamb: [00:24:15] It's definitely a secondary. Attaboy.

[00:24:17] Carl Lanore: [00:24:17] I definitely secondary.

[00:24:19] Let's just get these other two comments up here. So Josh Bruner says, damn, good to know guys about the newest fad of rubbing cream on the ball skis and not asking most of the guys that are

[00:24:32] Adam Lamb: [00:24:32] hardcore on this, like I've had obviously like  that Ben Greenfield podcast and I talked about it not being a good idea.

[00:24:38] So the bandwagon of. People came in and every single one, so I have these little side conversations. Every single one of them does injections. Now. One person who was, uh, you know, I think of these, it's like people marching against Trump for going and voting for him. So I was like, [00:25:00] wait a minute. You do injections, but you tell everybody to do the cream on their testicles.

[00:25:05] Yeah. I'm like, what? Why would you do that? You know, like what we do, what our docs personally me like. I knew the cream, but I don't put it down there. I've been doing that for five years.

[00:25:15] Carl Lanore: [00:25:15] You do know that when testosterone cream first came out. That is how they said to apply it. They said, apply it to your testicles, but then they had really bad outcomes.

[00:25:26] Men would developing erectile dysfunction. They would developing symptoms related to high DHT levels. Well, no. And testicular shrinkage happened like in weeks.

[00:25:42] You had nice size little eggs there and this wanting, they will, they were raisins like two weeks later. And so they said, Oh, this is not a good way to do it.

[00:25:53] Adam Lamb: [00:25:53] Yeah. It's careless to promote a something you don't do and be something you don't. Cause you read a study, you know [00:26:00] what I mean? And that's, that's what it's really triggered some guys on our team to say, you know what, man?

[00:26:03] Let's show. We can show literally thousands of people years doing testosterone, increase the stash room. We have folks, you know that there was another thing with LH and FSH levels. They don't always go to zero on everybody with proper low dose, you know, proper dosing testosterone cream. If it's done.

[00:26:23] Right? We see it all the time. Oh no, it's going to, you're going to have to just Astro and shutdown if you get on hormone therapy

[00:26:29] Carl Lanore: [00:26:29] because you are, you are observing. The natural pulsatile nature of testosterone on a day to day basis. You rub it on in the morning. By the time you're ready to go to bed, it's pretty much gone.

[00:26:41] Your body pulses, some LH in the middle of the night to make some testosterone of its own. You fill back in in the morning, and so you never have testicular strength. You don't get the high DHT. You don't need an aromatase inhibitor. It's the right way to do it. But nobody wants to

[00:26:57] Adam Lamb: [00:26:57] do a though hemo hemoglobin, [00:27:00] hematocrit.

[00:27:00] I'll tell you this. I will say, and this is just off the top of my head, but I do spend a lot of time looking at the data. Um, nobody has a high hemoglobin or humid  on cream. Nobody.

[00:27:13] Carl Lanore: [00:27:13] I agree. I agree.

[00:27:15] Adam Lamb: [00:27:15] And so that's another thing. Cause when people are, you know, they're, it's like, sure though, you know what I think of, there's so many more things like.

[00:27:22] The guys that are doing that, you know, a 300 milligram injection once every three weeks or one ML every two weeks like that is, that's even more careless than just about anything else. But those are the things that really the education has come to is if you're doing injections, you should be splitting them up, you know, twice a week or some people do sub Q.

[00:27:39] That was something we never got on board with. But, um. There's a lot of, I think, education that needs to go into it as opposed to just some people Banting on

[00:27:48] Carl Lanore: [00:27:48] some other stuff. I want to take a quick commercial break. We have a couple more questions that we're going to get to here shortly. Uh, as we come back from this break, and also we're going to talk more about this research.

[00:27:57] The bottom line is this, [00:28:00] that if you want to put your vasculature aging on hold. It's going to take several things, exercise being one of them, but absolutely, hormone replacement therapy being just as important because we're seeing that, especially in women, we don't see the results we want from exercise alone, unless the hormones are playing a role in it.

[00:28:26] So it's another, it's another reason why to consider HRT. And if you are considering HRG and you listed a show and you're gone. Cause I get, I get people to do this all time now. I just give them Ronnie's a cell phone number so I can text them. I get people all the time saying, you know, I want to get on HRT.

[00:28:44] Where do I start? Renew life RX, man, it doesn't matter where you live. They've got doctors all over the country that will work with you and they will treat you and this isn't, I had a guy email, listen to this and we'll close this, this, this segment. I had a guy email me the [00:29:00] other day. And say he has had all sorts of problems on HRT, night sweats, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:29:07] And I said to him, what's your dose? He says, I'm taking 250 milligrams of sustenance. I said, sustained on. I said, who is your doctor? Is he in Mexico? I mean, I said, first of all, Sustin on his well known a. To convert to three different types of extra dials. I mean, a levels of estradiol because of the different Ester Langston.

[00:29:33] Everybody who used sussed, including me, got sweats and fever from them. And again, it's because you have these different really different levels of release. On testosterone causes different downstream metabolites, and your body is not, it's not a stereo system. It can't operate on two systems at the same time.

[00:29:54] Adam Lamb: [00:29:54] Well, the other part is, where's that systematic

[00:29:56] Carl Lanore: [00:29:56] coming from? Well, it may be, it's gotta be, it's gotta be, it can't be it. [00:30:00] I don't think there's a compounding pharmacy out there

[00:30:02] Adam Lamb: [00:30:02] now. There's a  they don't.

[00:30:04] Carl Lanore: [00:30:04] No. But yeah, that's, that's the long acting one. That's the Nabisco stuff that you do that shot once every six months, I think.

[00:30:10] Right.

[00:30:10] Adam Lamb: [00:30:10] There's an Esther that I don't think is even legal in the United States. I can't remember which one it is, but there's one that there isn't.

[00:30:17] Carl Lanore: [00:30:17] I mean, you want a real clinic that's going to treat you like a patient. You know, if you're being prescribed Sustin on you, you need to go find a different doctor.

[00:30:26] If you really all working with your doctor, unless your doctor with Greg Valentino, that is. All right. We're going to take a quick commercial around. Yeah, yeah, he is. We'll be right back stage, right. This

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[00:30:44] Carl Lanore: [00:30:44] Welcome back to the, what's that?

[00:30:49] Adam Lamb: [00:30:49] I was going to say, I'm sorry. I was going, I gotta tell I was gonna tell you a funny story in reference to dr seeds. That a chill pill.

[00:30:54] Carl Lanore: [00:30:54] Yes.

[00:30:55] Adam Lamb: [00:30:55] So I take it so there's a, and my wife does too, and we have like our nighttime cocktail, which is the [00:31:00] chill pill. And then also take, we have a supplement, um,  magnesium and melatonin combo and we call that like the sleep cocktail.

[00:31:08] So every night before bed, whether it's my wife, we'll just, you know, distribute to each other. But the funny thing, cause you just sent me a funny text message and we're going to go out on a date night, Saturday night. So I was looking last night before I went to bed, I was looking for things to do in Houston on Saturday night.

[00:31:22] There's no basketball game and I ran across this like. Mardi Gras swinger party or something. It kinda like, just like laughed and like, Hey, look at this. But yeah, it was like, it was like beads and boobs or something funny. Anyway, so we went to bed and we both had these dreams. So she will come in the morning and she's like, I had a dream that.

[00:31:42] You met, you met someone else and said that that was the person of your dreams or someone like you, you were meant to be with. And I was like, I had a dream that we actually, it was just .

[00:31:54] Carl Lanore: [00:31:54] Yeah. When you get a good deep sleep, then you started to go a lot more REM activity. If you're dreaming for rent, [00:32:00] it's rent.

[00:32:00] Adam Lamb: [00:32:00] Oh, for sure. I, you know, I got the Apple watch and I'm wearing two and I'll wear that when I sleep and I see like my dips and stuff like that and that, that sleep concoction and like we take that Sunday. Through Thursday night, the weekends we take Saturday, Friday, and Saturday off because whatever, and now we both sleep.

[00:32:19] Like deep and well, yeah, I love that. That doctor seeds, um, Chilko also take the beat that BP or the by whatever bodysuit complex or whatever thing. Anyway, back to the listeners. It's a great product.

[00:32:32] Carl Lanore: [00:32:32] So anyway, uh, and kind of staying with the whole vasculature, uh, you know, I, I gave double blood. Like I said today, I was just texting a friend of mine about this.

[00:32:41] And ironically. Josh, Bruna puts up this, uh, this comment. He says, what about hematocrit and hemoglobin issues while on TRT, which you already answered. If you're on co cream and it's pulsing daily, you don't have issues. If you're on injectable, you definitely will have issues. Um, [00:33:00] Neil D, I don't know who that is, says he mad.

[00:33:02] Acquit is no biggie. And my last. A hematologist said he agrees as long as my hemoglobin is low. Okay? So he might have crit hemoglobin. TIBC ferritin. So, so here's the problem. Um, the problem with red blood cells is this cost study of blood number one, my red blood cells this morning. Was 60% of the volume of my blood.

[00:33:29] The girl couldn't believe it. In fact, it took them only 35 or 40 minutes to run me through the machine, and she said, it usually takes people an hour, at least she says, but you have so much red blood cell. So I'm probably gonna feel different in the next couple of days. Number. It's

[00:33:44] Adam Lamb: [00:33:44] also important because you have good vascular flow.

[00:33:47] So when I used to do it, donate blood regularly, I used to like. My goal was to like beat the time. I'm like, what's the fastest anyone's ever done this? And they're like, huh? I'm

[00:33:55] Carl Lanore: [00:33:55] like, Oh, seven minutes.

[00:33:56] Adam Lamb: [00:33:56] Why would we put all the time? I shouldn't miss that. But

[00:33:59] Carl Lanore: [00:33:59] yes, [00:34:00] that's great. That's everything

[00:34:01] Adam Lamb: [00:34:01] to me is like how like a Nastro

[00:34:03] Carl Lanore: [00:34:03] compete, compete.

[00:34:05] Right? But, but it is important, Josh. It's so important and it's important not just because of the changes in blood viscosity, which make your heart work harder and actually can damage the linings of your blood vessels. But more importantly. Every single red blood cell has a saturation of iron in it, and this is where the problem is.

[00:34:27] This is why it's important to keep an eye on these things. You have to follow TIBC, which is total iron in the blood, and then there's a ratio that comes back that gives you a of of percentages. But also ferritin is important, but not as important as everybody thinks it is. Because ferritin is a protein produced by the liver in response to a chaperoning iron.

[00:34:51] But. It can be, it can be increased in production by taking high doses of vitamin C without iron. So you know, [00:35:00] ferritin is, is just a chaperone protein. That's all it is. It's not really indicative of how much iron it's carrying and it's, once it does its job and it puts the iron in the tissue, that's when you get in trouble.

[00:35:12] Now you have problems, and this is where neuropathies can come from and so on. So I totally disagree with Neil D, whoever he is. Um, Hey, Matt. A crit is a function of hemoglobin and iron and TIBC and ferritin. These are all important data points if you are on HRT. Absolutely. And keeping them at their lowest without losing functionality.

[00:35:37] Uh, and, and endurance is where you need to be. That's where you need to be. Comment. Any questions? Any ideas? No,

[00:35:47] Adam Lamb: [00:35:47] I agree with that. I think it's the, I'll be honest with you, that even our injection clients, it's once in a blue moon that we haven't elevated [00:36:00] hemoglobin hematocrit just in, it's what we've seen is that the folks that follow the, you know, the split injection protocols.

[00:36:08] Almost never have an issue. There's some people that can have, you know, just predispositions to certain things, right. In lifestyle or like they have an issue with iron and stuff like that, that can help push those numbers up.

[00:36:19] Carl Lanore: [00:36:19] But

[00:36:20] Adam Lamb: [00:36:20] for the most part, like proper TRT should not require. Oh, so like

[00:36:26] Carl Lanore: [00:36:26] ancillaries and celebrity meds.

[00:36:28] Right, exactly. Right. And so

[00:36:30] Adam Lamb: [00:36:30] if, well it should, it shouldn't require blood donation either. Um, but, but you know, it's one thing it's interesting, I moved here to Texas is a lot of these, like, they don't have a red cross down here. They have just like regular blood places and they have like a TRT protocol.

[00:36:44] Like, Oh, you're on TRT. Here's like, they didn't have that in Michigan where I live. Um, just because it's a lot more people down here, out hormone therapy.

[00:36:52] Carl Lanore: [00:36:52] Well. So. So with that being said, I think that there's a craze right now for the carnivore diet. People are [00:37:00] pounding down. Look before anybody says, I'm anti carnival.

[00:37:04] I've eaten a pound of beef for better than 20 years. Every single day, right? A pound of ground beef is 99% of my days. I had eaten them. I'm not right now. Of course I am. I am an iron overload. Well, Hemi iron is the most absorbable iron. If you're on testosterone therapy and you're doing the carnivore diet and you're pounding down the beef, you absolutely better keep an eye on hematocrit, hemoglobin, TIBC, ferritin, and all those things because you're, you are testosterone clearly improves.

[00:37:37] The ability for men to assimilate and absorb iron. This probably was an evolutionary gift, uh, for those periods of time throughout the years where maybe we couldn't catch an animal and we were starving to death. So we were eating plants. Uh, but, but testosterone tilts the scales makes you a better absorber of iron.

[00:37:58] So if you are an [00:38:00] HRT and you're pounding down two and a half pounds of steak a day, along with Dr. Baker. Just watch your iron levels. I'm telling you that right now.

[00:38:09] Adam Lamb: [00:38:09] We got Mark Bell, he's a big proponent of, I think he's actually working on a new Netflix thing for carnivores. He's a friend of mine and yeah, it's, I've even tried the diet and for me, I just don't feel good.

[00:38:20] I feel like actually like, like you know when you go to the zoo and you see the lion, like just sleeping all day. That's how I feel when I attempt to do the carnivore diet or KIDO. Actually,

[00:38:31] Carl Lanore: [00:38:31] he's going to be on the show on the 26th. Oh, really? Yeah. You're it on the show before.

[00:38:40] So now, uh, Josh wants to know, what about growth hormone? Do you guys always include secreted gobs with your TRT?

[00:38:52] Adam Lamb: [00:38:52] No, definitely not always. It's an option if it makes sense for the individual, especially older folks. And I say older, meaning [00:39:00] like. Not in their thirties. Um, and you know, in their 50s we have, there's only one client I can think of that's on growth hormone.

[00:39:08] And he literally turned 99 in December and he, he's been a client since 1995 and would his die, his doctor's also a patient of ours too, and got him on board. He's like, I would be dead. If it wasn't for you guys. And I miss cause he's gone to the hospital and pneumonia like 97 and come out. It doesn't happen.

[00:39:28] And so, yeah, he's the only I can think of this outgrowth sorority, he's like, I'm going to do it. He's very wealthy and he's just, he's better at 99 than he was at 95.

[00:39:36] Carl Lanore: [00:39:36] Or I think using, um, to create a gods is a better choice because for sure you're going to produce your own growth hormone. There are several fractions of growth hormone.

[00:39:46] It's not just the 191. Amino acid form that you inject when you take Frank growth hormone injections,

[00:39:52] Adam Lamb: [00:39:52] right? We prefer, I prefer here, here's the deal. I do our clinics do lots of [00:40:00] business with pharmacies and you know, even from a cost standpoint, growth hormone is expensive and that could be augmented for me personally if I needed to, and I don't do growth at all.

[00:40:10] I wouldn't do it in like down the road, 55 60. Maybe, you know what I mean? If, if I felt like they weren't working. But there's some studies that we've looked into as well that after five years of consistent growth hormone that it, it stops working as well in your system and your body's natural production is like at EOS.

[00:40:32] And there can be some insulin sensitivity or insulin resistance that can happen into it. And

[00:40:37] Carl Lanore: [00:40:37] then like in high doses, you know,  said 0.97 I used to two, I use. Five days a week and that was like where the, their zone was early on and, but yeah, the ridiculous level bodybuilders use, you know, 10 use a day.

[00:40:55] Yeah.

[00:40:56] Adam Lamb: [00:40:56] I used to do, I did 10 I use a day and my wisdom teeth that hadn't moved in [00:41:00] 20 years came in. I'd have them extracted in like it went from hurt. To extraction and under a week because it was so bad. They were so fast. And my dentist at the time was a really good friend of mine and he's, he's like, what are you doing?

[00:41:11] And I was like, man, I was taking a lot of growth from, I was getting ready for junior nationals, like 2009 or something. And, uh, and that was like, the conclusion was high

[00:41:20] Carl Lanore: [00:41:20] doses.

[00:41:21] Adam Lamb: [00:41:21] Yeah,

[00:41:23] Carl Lanore: [00:41:23] it makes perfect sense actually. Yeah. So let's do this. Let's take our last commercial break, and when we come back, we're gonna wrap up the discussion.

[00:41:30] Stay tuned. You're looking listening to superhuman radio. I think they did take a lot of blood. I feel a little woozy right now. Yeah, I do. I actually do. All right. Stay tuned. We'll be right back.

[00:41:45] welcome back.

[00:41:49] Josh Bruno wants to thank you, said

[00:41:52] Adam Lamb: [00:41:52] he's going to switch to a TRQ cream. It's good. You know, I think that that for the majority of the [00:42:00] people we work with have never done hormones before in their life, and they're like. You know, guys that are, they're still working out of the pan tension that they're eating.

[00:42:07] They're usually in high demand, maybe positions, uh, from a career standpoint, and they just want to feel really good. Again, I think if you're a guy who's done, you know, that three, 400, 600 milligrams, it's testosterone, and now you're like, Hey, I'm getting older. Maybe I need to

[00:42:22] Carl Lanore: [00:42:22] chill it out now I need a gram.

[00:42:25] Right?

[00:42:26] Adam Lamb: [00:42:26] And then you want to chill it out and go to the cream. It's going to lack a little bit of that. Um. You know, that both of that bolus amount of testosterone going in. Um, and what I've noticed, even transitioning from, you know, it took me even, you know, with the docs, were preaching Korean back, I know almost eight years ago.

[00:42:43] And I was like, Nope, I'm doing the injections, not doing the cream. That's a, but my, my goal was different. And then I finally, I was like, all right, I'll try it. And I've been on the cream for almost five years now, and I think it's like June. In June, it'll be five years. And, uh. It just works. And I find it, even if I do these [00:43:00] little stints of like a six week with injections, just too much.

[00:43:02] It's like too, I dunno, it's like too intense, but

[00:43:06] Carl Lanore: [00:43:06] it's, it's, it's an abnormal, um, curve, you know, so your body, you know, you spent 40 years with your testosterone pulsing at about 2:00 AM in the morning and then dropping and then pulsing and dry. You know, you did this for like 40 years and now we give you a shot.

[00:43:27] And in the first 12 hours it goes through the roof, and then it stays there for about three days and then it drops down and then it dropped the curve. The pharmacodynamics of an Ester like Anand Fado Oh sippy. Innate is almost 50% of the injection hits you within the first four days. So think about this, you do 200 milligrams of testosterone sippy.

[00:43:53] Nate. 100 milligrams is delivered at about 25 milligrams a day, let's say

[00:43:58] Adam Lamb: [00:43:58] over the course of the first four [00:44:00] days.

[00:44:00] Carl Lanore: [00:44:00] And not that you're like King Kong, you feel great, and then the balance of that dose, the other 50% is released over the course of 24 more days. So you can take, take that 200 milligrams, you divided by 24 days and you realize that, you know, you're getting a little trickle.

[00:44:20] But before that's even done, you take another shot at the next week and so, well,

[00:44:25] Adam Lamb: [00:44:25] and that's why we do Monday and Thursday cause it's cool. And then you just stay here, right, right.

[00:44:31] Carl Lanore: [00:44:31] And you stay. But the cream is more appropriate than anything because the Treme is going to be this daily, just like you've spent 40 years 

[00:44:41] Adam Lamb: [00:44:41] bio-identical you're at, it's like you're sneaking to Stasi around into your body and you're doing it.

[00:44:47] You know, you apply it. This morning, you apply it tonight for the second dose, you apply it tomorrow morning and you're just, you're, you're just Astro and just going like this. It's coming up normal and it doesn't disrupt everything else. [00:45:00] So the side effects, things like that. And if you want to come off, you know what I mean?

[00:45:03] Like you want to come off the semester and you're not, your levels are in the tank and destroy, like they would be after large amounts of, uh, injection to, uh, so. It, it really is the best way. If you're, if your goal was to be like big, strong, aggressive, you know, like the guy was 10 years ago, I was like, you know, a hundred miles an hour, like, you know, want to lift everything.

[00:45:23] I can't, you know, just bigger, stronger, faster. And now I'm like quiet time meditation, calm this. You know what I mean? So like, it fits my lifestyle. Balance it. Yeah, exactly. And so 40 then what I, my goal is at 30 and I just, you know, I say that to people because like, if your expectation is like. What you think you're going to feel like 400 milligrams of testosterone on like a cream protocol.

[00:45:45] You're going to be disappointed. You know,

[00:45:48] Carl Lanore: [00:45:48] I think what I'd like people to take away from today's show is this. If you've been told you have some sort of vascular dysfunction Renard syndrome, your hands turn white. [00:46:00] You have poor blood flow, they get cold. Um, even, uh, people who have, uh, hot flashes. This is generally a hemodynamic change from hormones.

[00:46:11] If you have, if you've been told that you have a peripheral artery disease, and I don't mean with a stenosis, I mean your doctor saying, you know he blood flow to your legs is just really poor. This is because the blood vessels aren't opening up and irrigating the fields the way they're supposed to.

[00:46:31] Think about hormone replacement therapy. Talk to your doctor about HRT. Tell your doctor, look, there's a, there's plenty of good research out there. Shows that in declining testosterone and estrogen levels in men and women, we see vascular dysfunction. Why not replace the hormones and reverse the vascular dysfunction?

[00:46:48] Why give me another drug to not fix the problem, but just treat the symptom. Yeah.

[00:46:57] Adam Lamb: [00:46:57] We want to save time instead of going to your regular doctor to [00:47:00] just come right to us because we get, you know, we, we, we totally understand the purpose behind all that. And also to that point of someone who's thinking, well, what, what are some steps I can do prior to therapy?

[00:47:11] You know, it. It doesn't benefit us as a business for you to go do some lifestyle changes on your own. But what we know cause outcome is the most important thing for us is that if you start changing some habits, like just doing that little walk and you know, getting, doing some things to be healthier, exercising a little bit more to increase that blood flow.

[00:47:32] Then in combination with the time and effort and money you're going to put into hormone therapy, uh, you'll see. Extremely more results. Uh,

[00:47:42] Carl Lanore: [00:47:42] absolute. And we, you know, Ronnie and I did a show where we showed a study that was, uh, um, what do they call that? A meta analysis of other research. It showed that, that it's androgens that protect the heart.

[00:47:58] And then when androgen levels get low in [00:48:00] men, that's when they have heart problems.

[00:48:01] Adam Lamb: [00:48:01] You get vulnerable for sure. Same thing with PSA. Like they think testosterone is related to prostate problems. Who are the guys that have prostate problems? The guy at the younger guys, a good restaurant or the guys will go to, stuff's in there.

[00:48:11] I see it all the time.

[00:48:12] Carl Lanore: [00:48:12] Right, and we actually, and we actually did that show too, we talked about how do you actually reverse reverse aggressive prostate cancer by giving the patient testosterone. It's being done right now. It's actually called bipolar. Androgen therapy, and the reason they call it bipolar is because they give you a big shot and then they let it taper off over the course of three weeks.

[00:48:35] So you get a high and a low, high and a low. But he is what they found out. One particular study shows that super physiological doses of supplemental testosterone actually damaged the DNA and prostate cancer cells. And the, and the prostate cancer cell dies. Now think about that [00:49:00] because that's when I thought to myself, wait a minute, if pro stocks will cause prostate cancer, every frigging bodybuilder would have prostate cancer, six grams of test a week, eight grams of test a week.

[00:49:12] Nobody's got prostate cancer in that group. It makes perfect sense

[00:49:17] Adam Lamb: [00:49:17] right now. I think that that whole . What also we see too is men with higher LH and FSH levels typically have an older, you know, that 60 plus crowd, higher LH and FSH levels have higher PSA levels, and then we put them on testosterone therapy like cream.

[00:49:33] Their PSA comes down and their Elledge comes down because it doesn't, it's not functioning as high as it up there because the testosterone

[00:49:40] Carl Lanore: [00:49:40] you can take quickly, quick, quick. The pituitary can can take its foot off the gas pedal. Right? Say, Oh,

[00:49:46] Adam Lamb: [00:49:46] that's a great analogy. Just because the pituitaries foot's on the gas doesn't mean it's going in the right direction.

[00:49:51] If you're working a lot, you don't need to be on the gas. Right? And so a lot of times it's, this is the biggest thing is that all of our bodies are different, and a [00:50:00] lot of times a problems hormonally in our body are miscommunication. Right? And so yours and mine and hers, and that guys can all be different based on where the imbalance is.

[00:50:11] But if you're just throwing the same, Hey, this, this, and this, and it's gotta be put this way, and you can't do this, and never like you're, you can't fix, you can't say you can't help people, you know, with, with it. And so we really. Peel back the onion quite a bit to look at those individuals to

[00:50:27] Carl Lanore: [00:50:27] treat, and I want to come full circle and come back to one other thing.

[00:50:30] Testosterone cream on your, on your scrotum. So I know that I'm going to get people who are going to tell me I'm wrong about this because this is the new fad right now. This is the new fat.

[00:50:42] Adam Lamb: [00:50:42] I love that. I love that you caught that because there's so many things in this space that are the new fad and we've.

[00:50:49] We've never changed anything except for where we see it actually works. And a lot of that studies done internally,

[00:50:56] Carl Lanore: [00:50:56] and that's all talk about. So, so when testosterone gels were first [00:51:00] introduced, men were told to put them on scrolly and they were bad outcomes. But see, humans have very short memories, very short memories.

[00:51:09] And what's even worse, we don't even learn the things that we should remember. So right now there's a bandwagon, you know, and I know who started, I think this Rose your guy. You know who he is. Um, anyway, uh, he, they said there was a doctor out there that I sat in on, on a, uh, a talk, and he was promoting, uh, putting, uh, the cream on your scrotum.

[00:51:38] And when I said, after he spoke, I w I went up and I said, you know, that's been done. You know that, right? He says, yeah. I said, and we got away from that because it caused men to have erectile problems. Some men, not all, but more importantly, there's like a five fold increase in the production of DHT, right.

[00:52:00] [00:52:00] And he looked at me and he said, well, once you reached a saturation level of DHT, you're, you don't have to worry about it. And I said, well, I don't understand. He says, well, if you're using, if you have high DHA and you lose some hair. You're going to lose a certain amount of hair, it's going to stop. And I'm thinking to myself, why the F do I want to lose any hair anyway?

[00:52:20] Adam Lamb: [00:52:20] Well, think of the billions of dollars. There's that industry, that hair industry of, you know, we don't do for a piece or finished Vanessa, I, but

[00:52:27] Carl Lanore: [00:52:27] the, the stuff

[00:52:28] Adam Lamb: [00:52:28] I've use a Biotene shampoo to just make sure my hair, like there's a lot of money that's spent and keeping guys hair on their head. Right? And so why would we tell these people.

[00:52:41] To do something that is going to change that.

[00:52:44] Carl Lanore: [00:52:44] Yeah. So his name is dr Neil Rozier. I, I sat in on a talk he did here in Louisville, Kentucky

[00:52:49] Adam Lamb: [00:52:49] one. He's also the same guy with the secular.

[00:52:52] Carl Lanore: [00:52:52] Yeah. He tells you to rub this stuff on your testicles. See, and what I really think happens in this space is [00:53:00] people want so desperately to be seen as tip of the spear that they stopped promoting things that didn't work once before and they're not going to work again.

[00:53:11] Adam Lamb: [00:53:11] Yeah, well they don't have, like this was guys I was kind of having a conversation with. I would likely say connoisseurship more of an argument was, and I asked him, I was like, where is it? He's like the studies, and I'm like, dude, I got thousands. I got thousands of people, but I could show you blood work for years and years and years that rub testosterone on their forearm or the back of their knee and they're in their shoulder.

[00:53:30] And I'll have really good testosterone, and then I'll take it a step further. It's like, well, they just need a lot more, and then they're buying more cream and you're just in it for the business. And so, and I was like, valid, maybe. I don't know, because I don't know. He's like, you don't need as much. And so I talked to a few guys that put that do actually put it just stickler

[00:53:49] Carl Lanore: [00:53:49] and same dose, same dose

[00:53:52] Adam Lamb: [00:53:52] that, Hey, listen.

[00:53:53] And, and I had these guys do this and this. I did two of them. I had one recently, so I don't know the outcome, but too early, like in the fall, I said, [00:54:00] just just switch. Try putting it on your forearm. I, you sent me a picture of the bottle. I know the which cause different testosterone cream can absorb different, different.

[00:54:08] I'm like, okay, start putting your form. Did your blood work done? He was like, Oh, you're right. The thing it was the same is the testicular and. The, uh, it, I think this one guy was putting on his forearms and he was like, I'm not putting it on my testicles ever again. And I was like, duh. And so the, the challenge is, is that some of these guys promoting it, they're

[00:54:32] Even one of the docs I talked to about it, I was like, well, how often do you check your blood work? Well, maybe once a year. We check blood work every six months max, you know, if not every, you know, more often, especially if we're doing some trial stuff, you know what I mean? To see. Yeah. Well look, where are these guys?

[00:54:48] What's the outcomes? Oh, they're all, their hair's falling out. Half 50% of them left. My clinic went somewhere else and know like, cause I see. Guess whose names I see on their pro pass blood work?

[00:54:58] Carl Lanore: [00:54:58] Some of you know what's really funny. [00:55:00] Um, Dr. Mark Gordon, who used to be a keynote speaker at a forum, now he's working in the whole traumatic brain injury area.

[00:55:10] We were talking one time and he was telling me that men who use HRT. And have a high conversion to DHT tend to get anxiety. DHT actually can cause, uh, anxiety. And so that's another doubt. Like, why would you want, why would you want an unusually high non-typical physiological level of DHT? Just so you can go, yeah.

[00:55:39] Well, I'm one of the cool guys. I rub my testosterone cream on my balls.

[00:55:43] Adam Lamb: [00:55:43] Right. And the other

[00:55:44] Carl Lanore: [00:55:44] point

[00:55:46] Adam Lamb: [00:55:46] is we see that a lot of times they'll tell you this is, we'll have guys that get on testosterone, they expressing anxiety, they think it's their estrogen shooting up, and it's not. It's their body that that [00:56:00] high dose of testosterone converting to DHT can create that anxiety, which can create this fight or flight.

[00:56:05] And then like they're not sure what's going on. Those guys have to be on cream. We have guys that. The, the average dose of cream is still too much for them from an anxiety standpoint, like every, and this, the part of the challenge, a lot of these, uh, guys that promote certain, like they're all 100%, it has to be this way, or like, it's only this or this is, they don't talk about the feelings.

[00:56:27] Of the emotional state that the way the person is, because you came to us, not because you knew you had low testosterone. Typically we discovered that based on your symptoms, right? And so we still care about your symptoms. The blood work is just a way to make sure you're healthy. But if you, if you're like, man, I feel good.

[00:56:45] But if you're like, Hey, your testosterone is good, you're like, yeah, but I'm anxious and my hair's falling out. Like, what are we doing? You a service. You know what I mean? That's why our our program, our process, our followup, paying attention, listening to your [00:57:00] goals, not being this high mighty like this is how it is and how it must be like.

[00:57:04] That is the most ignorant way to care for anyone.

[00:57:08] Carl Lanore: [00:57:08] It's not even that. It's, I'm telling you, these people are so desperate. You know Josh points out. It's a select group of docs that recently jumped into the, on the bandwagon a big group of  and it's kind of confused and you know, there was so many people trying to position themselves as experts in this space right now.

[00:57:25] And peptides and HRT has been for a while now, but now peptides now, peptides is the new thing. Everybody's a genius. Everyone's an expert in peptides. Everybody knows everything about peptides. Come listen to me, come listen to me. And you know, a year from now they'll be onto the next fed. Cause that's what they do.

[00:57:42] They move from one fad to another. And this is why I say the new evolutionary selective pressures where you get your information from. It's not famine, it's not ice ages. We have nice homes. Most of us can get by the new evolutionary structure. Selection pressure is where you get your information from.

[00:57:59] And [00:58:00] if you choose to honor that information, apply it to your own life, it may shorten your life. You've got to look at the people delivering the information. First of all, how long have they been added, number one. Number two, if they're patients also, how old are they? Like I saw this doc rosier now God bless him.

[00:58:17] He may be a really nice guy, but he was hunched over. I maybe he's 90 and he actually looks good cause he only looked 80 I don't know. But I like, I don't want to go to a doc. I want to go to a doctor. That I look at and go, man, I want to be like him, but

[00:58:34] Adam Lamb: [00:58:34] we've got to think of our medical director. He's like, Matthew McConaughey.

[00:58:37] Everybody loves him and he doesn't, he hates this kind of stuff, so he won't do it, but he's that guy, right? He's living life. He's young. His wife's like 15 years younger than him, and like he's, he's was like in geriatrics for. Years, like you know, like he gets it. He knows. It was like this is the game changer at any age, especially your older years for hormone therapy and those are the guys like that's the people you want to work with.

[00:58:59] You don't [00:59:00] want to work with the guys smoking a pack of cigarettes a day that are

[00:59:03] Carl Lanore: [00:59:03] fat. Don't go, don't ever go to a fat doctor. Don't ever go. If you go to a doctor and he's fat, you're sunk because he doesn't even know how to take care of himself. How's he going to take care of you if you, if you had to take your car to a mechanic.

[00:59:16] And you said you, I've, I'm dropping the car off at the mechanic this morning. You went there. When you call your wife and say, ah, he wasn't in what happened, his car broke down. Okay, could happen. We couldn't fix the next day. Then the next week you'd try it again and he's caused broken you. If you have a mechanic and his car is always broke down, you're going to let him fix your car.

[00:59:36] Adam Lamb: [00:59:36] Oh, great. It's doing thing like that, right? The poor financial advisor, right? Like the guy who can't, like, who's just broken has, doesn't know anything. Like, wow, wait a minute and listen to your financial advice. And so that's the part too, you know, I think with our clinic is everybody, all of our docs do this, do this.

[00:59:54] Carl Lanore: [00:59:54] They walk the talk, they

[00:59:56] Adam Lamb: [00:59:56] way they all do it. We do it, I do it. And we [01:00:00] have a group of people that we do like, we'll have some really awesome peptides studies coming out. That we've done internally that we've had, you know, we get to control the, we, we know is that they're following in the protocols and things like that.

[01:00:11] So it's all exciting stuff to come for this year.

[01:00:13] Carl Lanore: [01:00:13] And, and I, and I got one more pet peeve I want to comment about. Okay. And that is, we have a lot of people that have moved into the anti aging longevity space today, and most of them are in their thirties and they're telling people. That they know how to help people live longer.

[01:00:36] And I think it's insulting. Like if you, if you are 30 years old, even if you're just 40 and you're teaching people about anti-aging, your body hasn't even started to break down yet. You and I, and it doesn't start happening until after 50 so. I want to take anti-aging advice from a guy who's in his fifties and sixties who looked [01:01:00] great, who's fairly healthy.

[01:01:01] Cause listen, there are things that happen to you once you hit 60 that there's nothing you can do about it. Sometimes it's just parts wearing out. But I mean, show me somebody who's actually thriving. In their sixties and seventies and eighties. That's the guy I want to know. What's your secret? Don't bring me some slow meal.

[01:01:20] Who you know, uh, is, is, uh, digging his heels in on everything because he's right about everything. He's 30 years old. He's gonna tell you about longevity for crying out loud. He was shitting in diapers,

[01:01:32] Adam Lamb: [01:01:32] is the information is so accessible. And they think because they read three studies that they know and it's like, no, dude, the data, the data.

[01:01:42] Tells that the data doesn't lie. Right. And when you measure the data properly, because I look at some of these studies and I'm like. There's so many of these studies are skewed. Not to mention there's a big study that came out that a lot of these people that are on the study board are paying to just be, yes,

[01:01:59] Carl Lanore: [01:01:59] you can't [01:02:00] make this stuff up, Josh, you need to come for every live show.

[01:02:03] You could be my, you could be my comedic relief. Josh says he had a cardiologist who had forced stents and he found Jesus on the operating table who wanted him to take Staten drugs. To which he said, I took and I had blood clot. Ha ha ha. He mad. Hyper hypercritical, but that's funny. Here's a cardiologist and he's got four stents.

[01:02:26] That's the guy you want to take a advice from. Right? And this is another one I got. I got to say I'm guilty of this too. I'm always taking a lot of different things. But I, I'm, I'm very, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a Guinea pig

[01:02:43] Adam Lamb: [01:02:43] and it, there's no way, and I was just telling this to someone yesterday that I would never tell anyone to do anything that I wouldn't do or, and it's especially like people that are dead set on a certain, like, you know, the, the, uh, testicular applications.

[01:02:57] I'm like, listen, I wouldn't do it. None of [01:03:00] our docs do it. We will not recommend it. But dude, if you want to do that at home, try it.

[01:03:04] Carl Lanore: [01:03:04] Rub it on your, rub it on your taint. Cause

[01:03:07] Adam Lamb: [01:03:07] we've had a couple of balances one back and they've been on board for a couple of years. Never had an issue. Also never an issue. We start talking.

[01:03:14] Let's see why, why, why, why, why? All of a sudden, Oh well and I started rubbing it on my testicles. I've had it happen. I had not seen a single person do it without an issue, and that's what drives me crazy. When I see all these other people,

[01:03:26] Carl Lanore: [01:03:26] it's the worst

[01:03:28] Adam Lamb: [01:03:28] thing is those people aren't doing that. They're doing injections, and I'm like,

[01:03:32] Carl Lanore: [01:03:32] okay.

[01:03:33] It's all about, it's all about being a popular guru today. That's all it's about. That's really, you know what I, my show by today's standards is not nearly as successful as a lot of other guys shows who newcomers. Uh, but you know what the reality is? It's like I've never wanted to, I've never wanted to, I've never wanted fame so badly that I would tell people stupid stuff.

[01:03:57] Adam Lamb: [01:03:57] Right. Just to get,

[01:03:58] Carl Lanore: [01:03:58] and when I find out, I said something [01:04:00] stupid. I come back on a later show and said, you know what? I said a couple of weeks ago, I just found that that's a bad idea. That's stupid. You know, so don't,

[01:04:07] Adam Lamb: [01:04:07] that's important. That's good character credit.

[01:04:10] Carl Lanore: [01:04:10] Nice to have you back. If you, if you're here, if you are inspired.

[01:04:15] Uh, by this discussion today to look into your own hormones. It all starts with testing first. That's the first thing that has to happen. And you go to renew life, rx.com, uh, reach out to them. Use the code SHR you'll save money on your test, your lab work, and find out what you need and what you don't need.

[01:04:33] Cause one thing I'll tell you about these guys, they're not cookie cutter. Everybody doesn't walk away with an AI, a bottle of testosterone, a, you know, this and that. Eh, I know guys that they go and they have their first blood draw. They get prescribed testosterone and an aromatase it. I said, wait a minute.

[01:04:53] He doesn't even know how you're going to respond to the testosterone. How do they even know that you need an aromatase? Well,

[01:04:58] Adam Lamb: [01:04:58] I will say in some [01:05:00] situations, just based on data, where they're beginning levels are, we're right or like right status is like North of 85%. Meaning. So if we think this will, we'll go there and then we'll test.

[01:05:15] You know, we will do the 90 day followup test too to see. Um, but it, it, there isn't, there isn't a one size fits all. There's a, there's a measurement behind. The difference between an Estradal at 23 and 43 is a big difference of likely where you might be, especially where your, where your testosterone level maybe you're at.

[01:05:36] Two 80 right. 

[01:05:38] Carl Lanore: [01:05:38] ratio. Absolutely.

[01:05:39] Adam Lamb: [01:05:39] I was already three yesterday and your SHBG like all that's looked at, like we literally have technology that crunches that and let some of the, the gurus, they don't have that stuff like that. And we'll talk offline about some of the people that have been approaching us now because our data is so awesome.

[01:05:56] Uh, and our outcomes are to the outcomes. What's the outcome? And blood work backs it [01:06:00] up. Right. And the patient testimonial. Right, right. Uh, that's exciting stuff. Look forward to people. More people come on board and they check it out.

[01:06:06] Carl Lanore: [01:06:06] Good to have you here today, brother, and hopefully we'll see you again soon.

[01:06:11] Uh, don't, don't stay away so long. Okay. All right. I, and we'll see everybody tomorrow. Tomorrow we have a pep talk, uh, with, uh, dr Suzanne Turner. She's going to come on. She has reversed collateral damage and stroke patients. Well using peptides, giving people their lives back after stroke. You're not going to want to miss that one.

[01:06:32] So tune in for that. We did five shows this week. I feel like a rat on a wheel. I can't wait for Saturday. We'll see about by tomorrow. Thanks for watching and listening. [01:07:00] .