[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] welcome back to another episode of supreme-a radio. Today is February 26 2020 for those of you listening to the show a hundred years from now, and you realize this audience really knew what they were talking about. I got to bring my guest on because he's, uh, he's, he's posing in the background there.

[00:00:15] Mark Bell, how you doing? Mark? There you go,

[00:00:18] I'm doing the cane. Couldn't you be dead by now? Like then you have like heart issues go and stuff, but I mean, how you still standing over there,

[00:00:27] Mark? I am so broken up. It's unbelievable. I mean, I'm not kidding. You know? I mean. And I still want to go in and I want, I still want to train like I used to, and I have to, I have to remember that I'm not, my body is just not able to do it anymore.

[00:00:41] And, but I mean, I, you know, I've, I've got three twin attachments in my left hamstring. One in the right reattached tricep, uh, reconstructed left foot from dropping a plate on it. Two surgeries in one year on my left foot. My left foot is actually an inch shorter than it used to be. It looks like I have one club foot and one regular foot.

[00:01:00] [00:01:00] I mean, I'm so broken up, but it's, you know, I just, I, I'm still alive. That's all I care about right now, you know? So

[00:01:07] I'm, most of the injuries, like more recent, are they older?

[00:01:11] Mark Bell: [00:01:11] They all occurred over time, you know what I mean? Um, I think I tore my hamstring first tray. I was, um. Warming up for a dead lift and I just didn't feel right and I should have just stopped.

[00:01:23] I told my tricep, um, and uh, uh, obviously doing a bench press the wrong way. Um, I, Oh, I told my bicep doing heavy rows and I finished the whole workout. The funny thing about all this is the day I dropped the plate on my foot. I finished my leg workout. It was the first thing I did was was smashed my foot and I had five fingers on and the blood was oozing out of the top of the five because I was like, if I take them off, I'm not going to be able put them back on.

[00:01:51] I might as well just finish the workout. Oh

[00:01:53] Carl Lanore: [00:01:53] yeah, I dropped 605 pounds on my foot. Uh, trying to do ultra wide Sumo dead lists, uh, [00:02:00] prescribed by Louie Simmons. And, uh, I tried to, uh, finish the workout, but it wasn't going very well cause like blood was squirting out of the top of my foot. So same kind of same deal.

[00:02:11] Mark Bell: [00:02:11] So, and, and this is why I was really interested in this topic. So I posted something on Facebook the other day. I was like, anybody use a Kratom Kratom how we want to pronounce it as a pre-workout, because I've got lots of, of injuries and I, that means I trained with a lot of pain. And I took Kratom one day and went to the gym and I had an amazing workout.

[00:02:31] And so of course I text you. I was like, do you ever use it as a pre-workout? And you're like, all the time, okay, we gotta talk about

[00:02:37] Carl Lanore: [00:02:37] this. Right? You know, I want to kind of first start off by, you know, saying that like anytime that you're in a good mood. You know, like just, just the day is going really well.

[00:02:50] Let's say you have a bum shoulder and a, and a messed up elbow and stuff, but like for whatever reason, just on a particular day, you're just feeling great. Like everything went really well. Maybe you got a good [00:03:00] phone call in the morning, everything just kind of started your way. Um. You had your, you went, you were able to spend time at your favorite coffee shop for a few minutes, and when you got in your car and headed to the gym, all your favorite songs played somehow on the radio.

[00:03:14] Then what the hell's going on? But like, the universe is like in your favor for the day. And man, what an amazing workout you have that day when you're just feeling that good all the time like that. And I think that something like Kratom or any drug really, I think any drug is going to take you, uh, from where you currently are.

[00:03:31] And it can take you to a spot that you wouldn't. Otherwise normally be able to access or get to a much the way that steroids, uh, wood or mushrooms or any of these kinds of things. So I think Kratom I think is a, is a nice gateway into just feeling good and being like, kind of. Thrown into a good mood, whether you want to be grumpy or not.

[00:03:52] And so for me, it kind of takes a little bit of that edge off and I don't need a lot of Kratom. I, I've messed around with a lot [00:04:00] of different dosages and I've noticed that, you know, I've taken up to like 20 capsules at a time. You know, I don't know

[00:04:05] how

[00:04:05] Mark Bell: [00:04:05] many Rams Rams that, but you don't know. Oh, 700 and

[00:04:10] Carl Lanore: [00:04:10] yeah, 750 milligrams per capsule.

[00:04:13] So you know, times, you know,

[00:04:15] Mark Bell: [00:04:15] seven 50 times 20 and you didn't get nauseous with that high of a dose.

[00:04:21] Carl Lanore: [00:04:21] I have a cast iron stomach, so no, I was okay, but. Uh, yeah, it was really high, but you know, it didn't, it didn't deliver, you know, what I was looking for? I played around with the different dosages as you do with, uh, some experimentation.

[00:04:34] And I D I only need like two or three capsules to feel really, really good. And we make an extract as well. My product is called mind bullet. And the reason why it's called mind boy is because I feel like it, it's kind of like sending your mind off to the moon. Like if it feels so good, as if, as I was mentioning earlier, it's almost as if your favorite song is playing, uh, you know, when you're getting the benefit of, uh, taking Kratom.

[00:04:57] So I use it before I work out, [00:05:00] take some of the bumps and bruises off, and when I get to the gym. And I start my workout. I just, I don't even really warm up anymore. I mean, I'll take some precaution. I'll start out with lighter weights, but I'm not foam rolling and dicking around doing a bunch of other stuff.

[00:05:14] I get right to it.

[00:05:15] Mark Bell: [00:05:15] Right? So the Kratom is, is very, very misunderstood today. In fact, when I posted that thing on Facebook asking if anybody used it for pre-workout, I had people private message me and say. Be careful. It comes from the same plant as heroin, you know? That's not true. You know what I mean?

[00:05:34] The Kratom plant is actually the same genus as the coffee plant. So I mean, we know that it's not an opioid. A while it does, some have some interaction with the opioid receptor. People have a hard time understanding this phenomenon, and I'm going to put it in terms that most people will understand. Um, just because something interacts with a receptor doesn't mean that it's that particular molecule.

[00:05:57] Case in point is alcohol, [00:06:00] alcohol, it actually in toxifies the GABA receptor, but it's not Gabba. So right. Kratom somehow stimulates the opioid receptor, but it's not an opioid. And so it doesn't make you tired. If you take an opioid and go to the gym, you're not going to want to do anything. You want to go to sleep.

[00:06:20] But when you take Kratom, you actually feel you mood elevate. You feel like everything is good. And you know, I mean, I grew up in the 60s I was a big, big, big, big drug abuser. And I always liked speed. I always liked amphetamines. I always liked cocaine. I like drugs that brought you up. I had all my friends, they want to do clay Ludes and tune alls and, and sit around and drool on themselves like that.

[00:06:43] That's not fun. So I always appreciate it. Things that raise your mood, like you're saying, it literally raises your mood and makes you feel so good, and of course you're going to have a great workout. Then.

[00:06:55] Carl Lanore: [00:06:55] And I don't know what it is about Kratom in particular, but, uh, it makes you like [00:07:00] empathetic and it gives you compassion.

[00:07:02] Uh, it's almost like you got a bunch of hugs from somebody and all of a sudden you're kind of just, it feels like a warm blankets been put over you, and then you're just, you find yourself texting people, telling you, telling them how thankful you are for them, and you find yourself just super happy. And like even something like, um.

[00:07:20] Even something like going through the airport. You know, when you travel, sometimes it's a little stressful and you notice like everyone's wearing it on their face. They just need to get to this place and they, they have a matter look on their face and the people at the DMV, I don't know what the hell is going on when you're traveling, but people are like very determined to get to their destination.

[00:07:37] You know? And when I travel, I'll take a little bit of Kratom before I go and I'm smiling at people and I think people think I'm a fucking ax murderer or something because they're looking at me like I got two heads, but I'm just in a really good mood and feeling really good and I'm, I'm not really like quote unquote worried about where I'm going.

[00:07:53] I know I'm going to get there whenever the, you know, whenever the plane gets me there.

[00:07:57] Mark Bell: [00:07:57] And that people are stressed out because [00:08:00] travel is stressful nowadays. I remember traveling before nine 11 and now, and I don't want to travel anymore because it just kind of sucks.

[00:08:06] Carl Lanore: [00:08:06] The Corona virus.

[00:08:08] Mark Bell: [00:08:08] I'm not even worried about the coronavirus.

[00:08:10] I maybe I'm just too stupid. It's very possible. Maybe I'm too stupid.

[00:08:15] Carl Lanore: [00:08:15] Not too much information on like who it's killing and stuff. I think it's younger kids and older, older people that are sick already, right?

[00:08:21] Mark Bell: [00:08:21] Yeah. And, and, and, you know, I don't even, I don't want to go down this rabbit hole cause then people are going to light up and think like, I'm, I'm some jerk.

[00:08:28] But the reality is it's always suspicious to me. Uh, Ebola, remember the Ebola crisis? Everybody's gonna die of Ebola. And then as soon as they gave over that $4 billion to the, uh, pharmaceutical companies, literally the next day they stopped talking about Ebola. Now did the money actually curable or did they get what they wanted?

[00:08:48] And they were like, okay, we don't have to scare the crap out of people anymore. So I'm, uh, you know, I, I always, it's a little, it's a little sketchy with the relationship between the pharmaceutical industry and the government.

[00:08:57] Carl Lanore: [00:08:57] I think you and I should do a separate [00:09:00] podcast on how to develop zero followers.

[00:09:02] Like how to get rid, like anybody's listening, like how to make them all hate us and go away.

[00:09:06] Mark Bell: [00:09:06] This is it. Religion. Politics. Yeah.

[00:09:09] Carl Lanore: [00:09:09] Yeah. Just watch all of our lights go in the toilet right.

[00:09:16] Mark Bell: [00:09:16] Yeah, no, absolutely. But, uh, so I didn't, I'm going to be honest with everybody listening to this show. I didn't know you had your own Kratom when I did this.

[00:09:24] I just knew that you and your brother, you know, your brother has been, um, a strong proponent of supporting the Kratom industry. He, I believe he did. He did a documentary about it. And so I knew you knew about it. I didn't know you had a brand. When did that come out?

[00:09:43] Carl Lanore: [00:09:43] Uh, I've had the brand for a little over a year.

[00:09:47] And, um, it's just something like, I've been taking it for like the last, maybe about two and a half, three years. My brother kept telling me about it and when my brother was telling me about it, I was like, I'm not really in the same amount of [00:10:00] pain that he's in. Like I'm in like what I would call like self-induced pain, you know, I'm in my own right.

[00:10:05] My own personal hell because I put myself there because the style of training that I do, and usually if I let off a training a little bit, which I'm not smart enough to ever do. If I let off of training a little bit, I usually feel a little bit better. Um, but yeah, one day I think I tweaked my back and I was like, Hey, let me just, let me just give it a try and let me see what it's like.

[00:10:24] And it just reminded me of like going in a hot tub. Like it didn't, it didn't solve everything for me, but it gave me temporary relief. And the temporary relief was while I was at the gym. And I was like, this is amazing. Like I feel, I feel warm, I feel loose. I feel like I can get through the workout of that any problem.

[00:10:43] And, uh, you know, there I was, you know, staying in the gym for even like a longer period of time than normal. And so I was excited by that and I was like, man, this is an amazing product. And as I started taking it more often, uh, I started to like. You know, really wonder about the, um, the safety of the product.

[00:10:59] You know, I [00:11:00] wanted to know like, Hey, like what's this going to do? Is this going to cause any, a respiratory depression, uh, like opioids can do and is this gonna cause you know, the heart to flutter and, and these kinds of things. And so even more so than like researching it, cause I'm not much of a researcher and I'm not much of a, I don't even know.

[00:11:18] I just don't even really like science to be totally honest with you, for multitude of reasons. But, uh, anyway, I, you know, did some brief research on it, looked into it a bunch. We had a meta analysis done of it, which is, as your viewers already know, it's just a study of studies, but we want to take precaution and make sure that, uh, there was, there was no stone on turn and make sure that we felt that this is a product, uh, that other people can.

[00:11:42] And enjoy as well as just me. And so, but a lot of it was just me taking it and pass it along to friends and saying, Hey, try this. See if you like it. I had some people that took it and they're like, Hey man, like that made me nauseous. And I was like, well, I guess it's just not for you. Like I don't, you know, it's not gonna.

[00:11:57] Work perfectly. And each person, [00:12:00] maybe similar to like CBD or some, or some people with like tea or coffee or whatever it might be. Uh, but this thing vibed really well with me and a lot of the people around me. And so, uh, we went off to the races. I was like, let's, you know, let's get this thing to market.

[00:12:14] And it's not even been something that we talk about. Much of why you didn't know that we have it because I'm not like outwardly and aggressively trying to push it on anybody. I'm like, Hey, look this, we have this, we have a product called mind bullet, and you can get This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. if you'd like to check it out.

[00:12:30] You can investigate it on your own and we have sample packs that you can try. Just like give it a try and if you don't like it, you don't like it, then that's just fine. But I think most people will really enjoy it.

[00:12:40] Mark Bell: [00:12:40] Roger pageant apparently loves it. He said that it's a great product. He said he found it effected his liver enzymes and TSH levels.

[00:12:48] I'm assuming he means positively because he said it's a great product. I find it's a pretty strong diuretic too. Like if you're cutting, if you're like a bodybuilder, you know when you're, when you're, when you're [00:13:00] dieting, you're miserable. Uh, and if you're also trying to drop water, I got to believe that.

[00:13:06] Kratom I don't understand why every bodybuilder doesn't use Kratom though. 16 weeks out when they start to really get into a cut phase, because it'll, it'll dry you out, but it'll make you feel good.

[00:13:17] Carl Lanore: [00:13:17] It makes you feel good. And on top of that, I don't know if you've noticed this impact of it, but it can help.

[00:13:22] Fasting as well. I mean, I can't, I don't have a correlation study to like to whip out or anything on that, but that's what a lot of like I've noticed that personally. And then other people have come to me. I've had friends come to me and they're like, dude, I'm trying to gain weight. Like, but I can't on Kratom.

[00:13:37] I can't really, uh, you know, I can't really attack food the way that I normally do. And I'm like, yeah, man, unfortunately you probably got to cut back on the Kratom or ditch the Kratom if you're trying to gain size because it might, uh, have an effect on your appetite. But I think that could be a huge positive for a lot of us who are former fat boys.

[00:13:55] A lot of us that really love to get after food. So for myself, for intermittent fasting, it's [00:14:00] helped a lot.

[00:14:01] Mark Bell: [00:14:01] Yeah.  because it makes you feel good. It actually delivers all of the, uh, what was that herb that they was selling back in the day that the Bush guys used to chew on and it made them lose all this weight and then it came on the market.

[00:14:13] Now it's not around anymore. You don't remember what I'm talking about? The, um, I can't think of it, but you're right. Kratom actually does like, just kill your appetite. You don't feel like eating. Uh, and I found that out one night when I took it before going out to dinner. And I was sitting there and I was like, I ordered a steak.

[00:14:29] And I just didn't feel like eating it. I took it home. I was like, okay, note to self, don't take Kratom before you go out to dinner. You know,

[00:14:38] Carl Lanore: [00:14:38] I wonder if that, I wonder if that's just because of the, like mood alteration. Like you're satisfied, you feel pretty much all good, and you're like, I'm, I'm

[00:14:45] Mark Bell: [00:14:45] set. You know, a lot of these things that.

[00:14:48] That seemed to destroy your appetite, actually trigger a hormone in the gut called scoliosis to kinhin, and it's produced in the stomach and the response to stomach stretching. [00:15:00] And so. Like pine, a pine nut oil was real popular back in the day for this. Uh, there's a couple of different, uh, plant based products that seem to just shut down a hunger.

[00:15:12] They all seem to upregulate this polio sister Kennan. I wouldn't be surprised if Kratom does that as well. So Mike Davies is saying, is it available in the U S yeah, it's at, it's at mind bullet.com. You said right.

[00:15:24] Carl Lanore: [00:15:24] That's right. Yeah. And there's some States and some cities even where it's banned, so like a San Diego, it's band, but our website tells you all that we have all the information.

[00:15:34] Mark Bell: [00:15:34] You could buy weed and San Diego, but you can't buy Kratom. Right.

[00:15:38] Carl Lanore: [00:15:38] I know. I, you know, I don't know why these things are, are the way they are, but. You know, it's very unfortunate because I think it's a product that can help a lot of people. And that's my brother's film leap of faith, uh, was all about, you guys can check that out.

[00:15:51] I believe it's on. If it's not a Netflix and it's available in, in other streaming, uh, areas that you can check it out. But he did a great job with that film and it [00:16:00] shows you the pros and the cons. And, um, I also want to tell people a little bit about the cons, you know? Well, number one is it can really give you some pretty bad, like cotton mouth.

[00:16:09] Like you can really dry your mouth out. You know, as side effects go, like how bad of a side effect is that? Like to me it's tolerable, not a huge deal. Um, as the mentioning earlier, you might not want to eat, which might not be a desired result for you. But I do think it can be addictive. So I want to kind of, I want to be upfront with people about that, but I think that coffee is very addictive and then we kind of lose control with that.

[00:16:33] But I do have friends that have gone too far with Kratom and what I mean by that is they're kind of like quote unquote strung out on it all day. And that's not the way that I utilize it and I haven't, I haven't felt like I was going to fall into that trap either. And I think from a health perspective, I don't know what the implications or the are or rather ramifications of that would be.

[00:16:55] Um, but I don't think it's a great way to go around where you have to constantly alter your [00:17:00] mind all day long. I, I don't think that's a good idea with any, uh, drug or supplement for that matter. So that would be the one thing is I would say, look, you know, if you're going to do it, try to do it in a responsible way.

[00:17:11] Try not to over lean on it. Try not to always rely on it. And I suggest the same thing. Uh, when I help people with diets, I said, look, don't lean too hard on coffee. I'll even tell people, look, don't even lean too hard on any one particular diet. Why not switch things up a tiny bit here and there and get some different benefits from different diets.

[00:17:28] Mark Bell: [00:17:28] And that actually honors our evolutionary journey because our diet has always been phasic for millions of years. It was only, excuse me, 40,000 years ago where we started growing crops and, and, and raising animals where we had predictability. Like, okay, we're gonna have grain every single day now, uh, before that, before that, we went.

[00:17:48] Long periods in the winter where there were no plants to eat. So we sustained life on animal products and there were times where we couldn't catch an animal, but it was nice weather and we found a watermelon patch and we ate that. [00:18:00] But  the one thing that's true is we didn't combine foods. We familiarize of years.

[00:18:08] If we killed a Buffalo, we ate that Buffalo until there was no more Buffalo to eat. And then we went on and found something else. And it's, I, I really, I've, I've done shows about this. I wonder what shoes me. I'm wheezing the effects of, uh, uh, combining foods have with gut function because when you put beef and, and we'll talk about, uh, the carnivore diet when we come out of the break, cause I know that you're really into that right now, but when you put beef and broccoli in your stomach at the same time, they both digest at different rates.

[00:18:43] They both require different enzymes to break down. I am. I'm a huge proponent of eating. Like I'll eat a pound of salmon. I'll sit down and I'll just eat the salmon and I'm done, but at the same time, I'll eat a salad, but I'm not going to put a piece of chicken in with the salad. I'm just going to eat the [00:19:00] salad.

[00:19:00] I really think we're going to come to find in years from now that there's a lot of magic in eating a single food at a time as far as the stress it puts on our digestive system.

[00:19:10] Carl Lanore: [00:19:10] I liked that a lot. It actually makes a lot of sense and it would be harder to eat more food. And I think what you're referring to is a kind of, almost like a Jewish diet, right?

[00:19:19] Being, having to be kosher, you know, having a, a just a single single food on one plate. Right.

[00:19:24] Mark Bell: [00:19:24] Yeah. No, that's very good. Um, Roger pad Paget also said everything is addictive and he's right about that. I have given up coffee in the past 14 years I've been doing this show. The audience knows that. I'm off caffeine, I'm not doing anymore.

[00:19:38] And then I go back. I did take Kratom for four days in a row as an experiment. What I did notice was the same dose I was taking did not elicit the same effect. So then I would probably need to up my dose or just take off more frequently. And I think that may be where. People go down the rabbit hole. It's like, okay, [00:20:00] I'm using two grams.

[00:20:01] It's working now. It's not working. I use three that's not working. Now use four. Now all of a sudden they're screwed. Right,

[00:20:08] Carl Lanore: [00:20:08] right. Yeah. I would advise to that. Just, you know, just try to take three, four or five days off of it. I think it clears the system pretty good if you, if you can get away from it for about five days.

[00:20:17] So that's what I usually recommend. And I do that. I do that quite often and I don't, I don't feel bad from it. Um, with coffee, coffee's a was a little harder for me to get off of 'em. It took me. Well, it only took like two or three days, but those two or three days were, were pretty bad. Like I had pretty bad headaches on and off.

[00:20:36] And I was like, man, is that, am I ever gonna get any better? But four or five days later, it started to dissipate. And then I started, uh, implementing tea here and there. And that seemed to help, obviously, cause there's some caffeine in there and maybe it's just, uh, the act of like sipping on something hot too, that's, you know, kind of, uh, handling your love for coffee.

[00:20:55] You know what I

[00:20:56] Mark Bell: [00:20:56] mean? It's more ritualistic. When you got off coffee, did you notice [00:21:00] any changes in your digestion or your gut function?

[00:21:02] Carl Lanore: [00:21:02] Absolutely. I think it got a lot better because I think coffee, you know, I, I tend to. So I kind of have a theory and people get very pissed at me when I say this, but I don't think anybody likes black coffee.

[00:21:16] I know that some people are like, I like black coffee, I love black coffee, but it really doesn't. It just doesn't taste that good in my opinion. So for me personally, um, I would drink black coffee cause I like the effect of it. I don't like the taste of it. So it was a little easier for me to give up. But I also think that for people that put stuff in their coffee, I think that could be wreaking havoc on your digestive system.

[00:21:38] I don't even know how much sense that makes to put something like milk, you know, you put milk in, in boiling hot water that has coffee in it. I don't, I don't think that's probably a very good practice by killing everything in there, uh, that the milk, uh, had, that might've been well-intended for her, you know?

[00:21:54] Mark Bell: [00:21:54] Well, I, I, so I. I've been looking at obstructive sleep apnea, [00:22:00] neuropathy, uh, GERD. Uh, and, and the number of people in our population today who suffer from these three conditions. They also have distended stomachs and, but they're, they're all from different walks of life. You know, trainers like a guys who train hard, we eat a certain way.

[00:22:21] Average women. You know, I just had this conversation with a good friend of mine, Dr. Paul  this morning. I keep coming back to the common denominator that everybody does that has these issues. All different lifestyles is frigging coffee. And so I've been thinking about this, like the coffee your mother and father and my mother and father drank was different.

[00:22:42] It was four ounces. You could see through it. It was clear. It was like rusty water. That's what it looked like today. Coffee is like a liqour. It's got so much, it's got so much particulate matter floating around in there. It's like a suspension, and I have to believe that that irritates the [00:23:00] lining of the stomach.

[00:23:00] And especially when you think about this, 90% of the population drinks, coffee went first thing in the morning on an empty stomach right there, putting that crap and it has to wear down the mucosal barrier, the cilia and open up the stomach because I can't find a single thing. That everybody is doing regardless of lifestyle, and they all have these problems that I just did.

[00:23:22] These, these three problems are plaguing our population today.

[00:23:26] Carl Lanore: [00:23:26] Think about the first thing in the morning that you grind up some beans, right? And then you just pour it over some water and drink it. Like your stomach would fucking hurt really bad, right? I mean,

[00:23:37] Mark Bell: [00:23:37] but we're also, but we all need that. Like I just gave up coffee again.

[00:23:41] Yes. Everybody's lives gold. Got a great call. Six months, right? Yeah. They laugh at me all the time. I get emails every time I talk about, it's like, why don't you just give up? But I know that when I give up coffee, my stomach feels so much better. It's just amazing. So that's my thing. Uh, one, one more question.

[00:23:57] We're going to take a break. Is there really a [00:24:00] difference between red vein and green vein and all these different strains of Kratom or all they all pretty much the same? What do you think.

[00:24:06] Carl Lanore: [00:24:06] Yeah. As far as I know, they're all the same. They're just marketed differently. I know that people are right now there that are fans of Kratom, thereby like he can't believe he said that.

[00:24:15] But most of the top level people that I talk to, they're like, Hey, it's kinda BS. There's not really a ton of different, a ton of difference. I guess there are differences in the way that they treat the leaf, uh, once they get ahold of it. And so there could be more variations in that. Uh, than anything else.

[00:24:31] But yeah, as far as, as far as my knowledge goes, uh, they're all pretty much the same, which is kind of funny because they're selling some for sleep, some for getting you hyped up and some for this and that. And, uh, I haven't seen any real difference in them.

[00:24:45] Mark Bell: [00:24:45] Yeah. They all do the same thing. All right. Let's take a quick commercial break when we come back.

[00:24:48] Let's talk about the carnivore diet. I know you're big into it right now. Okay. Stay tuned. We're talking with Mark Bell. We'll be right back. This is the superhuman channel evolution. Just got kicked up a notch.

[00:25:03] [00:25:00] Welcome back. We're talking with Mark Bell. His website is up on the screen here. Mind bullet.com I just visited the site very, very, extremely reasonable prices. I love the logo, the brain riding the bullet. That's

[00:25:16] Carl Lanore: [00:25:16] pretty cool. That's really got to get your end product.

[00:25:19] Mark Bell: [00:25:19] Yeah, I would, I mean, I'll use it. Uh, I'm, I'm really, I'm enjoying training with it.

[00:25:26] I'm not training all the time with it, but the days that I do train with it, I definitely noticed that I get a much better workout.

[00:25:32] Carl Lanore: [00:25:32] So I Anna Ball and you're all set.

[00:25:35] Mark Bell: [00:25:35] I used to love Debo, man. I was just, I just pulled it. I was just talking about a stack that I used to use back when I was younger. And, uh, I read it after I typed it and I thought, no wonder why I'm so F stop.

[00:25:49] You know? It's like, you know how, you know, and you know, between the drugs I did when I was a kid. And, and the God's honest truth is the thing that attracted to me, this strength sports [00:26:00] was the acceptance of, of the drugs. So I told somebody once, you know, I've got an addictive personality. The drugs changed.

[00:26:08] That's all that happened. But I, I'm still that same guy, but now I'm, you know, now I'm shooting test in DECA and trying and all that sort of stuff instead.

[00:26:16] Carl Lanore: [00:26:16] So,

[00:26:17] Mark Bell: [00:26:17] but you know

[00:26:18] Carl Lanore: [00:26:18] it way, it's funny, the old school magazines would even have it in there, would even say like, you know, a chicken breast and a potato.

[00:26:25] And then they'd say what they did for lunch and then before the workout it would say like DECA and Diana Ball. And you're like, wait, what's. What's this? That's

[00:26:34] Mark Bell: [00:26:34] what grocery, you get that at Ralph's. You get that around alpha-beta you get that alpha-beta so, so you came on last time you were on the show, you had just released your book war on carbs and obviously rightfully so.

[00:26:46] Their carbohydrate consumption is probably the reason for a lot of the diseases related to nutrition today. And then you, you, you adapted and now you're, you're doing carnivore. Talk about it.

[00:26:59] Carl Lanore: [00:26:59] I got to [00:27:00] give a shout out to our boy, Ron Penna because Ron Penna said that he thinks the war on carbs is the greatest book ever written on the ketogenic diet, which I'll take any compliment from Ron panic cause that guy is a beast.

[00:27:11] The one of the original founders of quest nutrition. Um, you know, so I switched over to, you know, eating a more carnivorous style diet, um, a few years ago based off of, uh, some of the promotion from dr Shawn Baker. And again, based off of my brother, my brother. My brother's the one who's like always chirping in my ear about like this new thing, like I don't really follow a lot of stuff.

[00:27:34] And he'll come around and he'll be like, Hey, you gotta check out this thing. And I always think it's a dumb idea until it's like, quote unquote, my own idea. Right? Right. That's the way we got to work as brothers. Right. Um, but yeah, my brother kept talking about it and I was like, well, what's really the difference between KIDO and carnivore?

[00:27:49] But as I was doing the keto diet, as the results started to kind of slow down, and as I started to. Get into the stuff that is kind of off base in terms of like [00:28:00] being on a nutrition plan. You know, like you end up going down the same rabbit hole on a lot of different nutrition plans, on a lot of different diets that you would go through if you're your average.

[00:28:11] Ordinary American on the standard American diet because you start doing what you mentioned earlier, you start combining foods together and they're delicious together, and then you can eat more of them and then you continue to gain weight or you continue to struggle to continue to make progress and so on.

[00:28:28] A ketogenic diet, in my opinion, one of the differences between a keto diet is you have a little bit more freedom. In terms of what you can eat. Obviously there's the vegetables and there's some berries and there's some, uh, you know, there's, once you get fat adapted and things like that, you can have some carbohydrate.

[00:28:44] But really, you know, what I took it was, is to have carte blanche over eating any and everything that just didn't have an impact on my insulin levels, which I don't even really know because the amount of food I would eat sometimes probably negatively impact my insulin levels anyway. Even without, yeah. A [00:29:00] lot of carbohydrates and plus there's these like non-impact carbs, like, I don't know.

[00:29:03] I don't know. I don't know if anybody really knows. When you start consuming large amounts of sugar alcohols and those kinds of things, like it's just not good for you. It makes me gassy, makes you bloated over a period of time if you have too much of them. So I was, I was sneaking stuff, you know, I was, I was lying to myself.

[00:29:19] I was sneaking foods, I was in great shape still, but I wasn't making the progress that I wanted. And I was like, you know what, this carnival or challenge from Dr. Baker. It sounds like the perfect thing because it's going to be so strict. All I'm going to eat is meat and eggs. I'm basically going to be on like a kind of old school, Vince Deronda, bacon, egg, and uh, so that's what I did.

[00:29:41] I the one, I forgot the first go of it. I was like, well, I can do that. I think I can do steak and eggs and throwing some bacon here and there and. I'd have some salmon and some fish here and there as well. And I started committing to it, and within like three or four days, like just started to lose, some bloat started to feel a little bit better.

[00:30:00] [00:29:59] Um, I also screwed up too, because even though I give this advice all the time, I tell people all the time, look, any diet that you're going to try. Any diet that you're going to try, please, please, please promise me that you'll take the first two weeks to get used to the food and that you won't be on a quote unquote diet.

[00:30:17] You're not going to like plumb it. The amount of food that you eat down to the ground as you try not eating carbohydrates for the first time in your life, you're going to feel awful. So I did a little bit of that too, after the first couple of days, and then I started kind of feeling like crap and I'm like, Oh, the diet's not working.

[00:30:33] But then I started paying attention. I'm like, no idiot, like you're fasting too long, like you're not paying attention. Let's rev the food back up. And I had some conversations with Sean Baker and he's like, yeah man. He's like, I don't fast at all. I just ended up eating like three times a day and I ended up with like a mid day fast.

[00:30:50] Due to how satisfying the foods are, and due to how I feel, I feel like I don't need to really eat more than two, three, or maybe four times at the most in a given day, [00:31:00] even with the amount of energy I'm putting out. And so I started kind of playing around with that and that started making me feel awesome.

[00:31:07] And I've been messing around with the diet, you know, ever since. But I also would like to point out the fact that since I was probably about 15 or so, I've been on what I would consider like a meat based diet anyway. So not, not a carnivore diet, not a keto diet. Um, but there's been meat on my plate for nearly every meal for the last almost, you know, 20 some odd years.

[00:31:28] Right. Because that's the way we eat strength athletes. And even as a power lifter. You know, when I would eat like junk when I have pizza and those kinds of things, most of the day was still filled with, uh, meat and complex carbohydrates. And I might finish the day off with some ice cream or pizza because the extra calories were going to put extra body weight on me.

[00:31:48] But more recently, I've been loving the carnivore diet and I have a vlog that I'm posting every single day. You guys can check it out. It's a Mark smelly bell on YouTube. The YouTube channel is pretty new [00:32:00] because some of my old school power lifters got frustrated with me talking about like running and me talking about and me talking about, you know, just eating meat and not eating carbs and stuff.

[00:32:10] Yeah, they got really upset. I started my own. Another, another, another YouTube channel. And that's been really successful and we've been having a good time with it. But I'm posting every single day. The videos are filmed by me, the videos are edited by me and I, and I feel, I feel proud of being able to do that.

[00:32:28] I've been doing that for last, I think we were on day 56 is a is today. So that's been a lot of fun. And, and just trying to share out information. I, I've been everywhere. I've traveled all over. Uh, in, in the last 56 days, my normal travel schedule, my normal work schedule, people are seeing me with my kids.

[00:32:49] They're seeing me on date night with my wife. They're seeing me at a 40 Niners play off game. Uh, they're seeing me, uh, you know, traveling to Los Angeles with my team to get content. They're seeing [00:33:00] me in all these different spots. And, and the one thing that's remaining the same is my fitness and my diet.

[00:33:05] So I'm trying to show people like, look. Yeah, I know that I am a fitness personality and stuff like that, but, but it's not just me. There's other people that are sharing the same, uh, same message that are kind of following along, that are following along in the comment section and saying, yeah, man, I'm on board.

[00:33:21] I'm doing this too. You know, I have, I have a job. I have a wife, I have kids, I have other commitments. I have a budget. And, um, it's just been fantastic to just show people, look, man. This does not take a special genetic requirement to do this. This is the simplest diet that you're ever going to hear anybody talk about, and I consider this diet to be like the Ella Vater pitch diet.

[00:33:46] Someone's like, Hey man, you're in great shape. What do you do? And I can say, Hey, you know, cut out all your carbs and radios as they're walking out of the elevator and only me as elevator door closes. And they're like, what?

[00:33:58] Mark Bell: [00:33:58] But you know, but you know, [00:34:00] somebody on Instagram is posting a, a sponsored ad right now for an app to do carnival.

[00:34:04] You know, nothing frustrated me more. When I saw the fasting app, I was like, are you. Effing kidding me. It's the ease. You just don't eat. You don't have to eat like, Oh, how do I fast? Just don't eat. Stop eating at 6:00 PM don't eat until 16 hours late around 10 o'clock in the morning. It's like you need an app to teach you how to fast.

[00:34:25] Carl Lanore: [00:34:25] Really. I even mentioned to somebody the other day, I was like, well, I don't really like to count how long the fast lasts cause that's like too complicated. But what I do is I count, uh, approximately how long the eating window will be. And that's a lot less math. Four hours or five hours is a lot different than trying to figure out 16, 17.

[00:34:42] You're like, ah. I don't remember really remember. And also it doesn't really matter. But what matters is what I want people to understand. People that listen to this show, hopefully they're getting the message from you is. And I love that you dive in so deep on so many different things, but you understand the core principle of it all is we don't [00:35:00] need to be fancy.

[00:35:01] We just need to be consistent. And for yourself, if you never got into drugs, and if you didn't eat fried food, if you didn't. Snack. Um, if you, if you didn't, uh, you know, if, if you made sure you were sleeping properly and some of these things, if we did that from the time we were kids, if we knew some of this shit the time we were a kids, uh, and we didn't overeat like sugar, then we wouldn't have to really be on a diet at all.

[00:35:27] Probably. We probably be you. I'd be pretty dark. I mean, how many people are, how many people are your age that don't really pay that much attention to it, but they're not addicted to food? They do some exercise here and there and do some yard work and stuff and their PR, they probably feel pretty good and they don't know even what the hell to do.

[00:35:46] I realized that the most of the United States is really jacked up and they got diabetes and stuff, but for those people that aren't addicted to food and haven't been insulting what their metabolism is designed to do every single day, they're pretty darn healthy.

[00:36:00] [00:35:59] Mark Bell: [00:35:59] Yeah, and something else I don't want to gloss over.

[00:36:04] When you said something about consistency, when I look at. People that live 90 a hundred even 120 that they, some of them smoke, some of them drink alcohol, some of them eat fried food. Some of them had ice cream before bed. They do some of them that a lot of them do things that you and I would go, no, that's taboo, but here's what you figure out.

[00:36:28] They do that every single day and they've done it that way every single day of their lives for the past 70 years. There's a lot to be said. For consistency. The body loves consistency. The body doesn't want to have to guess. The body likes. If you have a cigar at four o'clock every day, have a cigar for look, look at, I met him.

[00:36:47] George Burns, when I lived in Las Vegas. The guy had martinis and cigars throughout the afternoon. He did it every day. Now people will say, well, he's an outlier. Yeah. He was an outlier, but he got up the same time every morning. He had the same breakfast every [00:37:00] morning. You went to sleep the same time every night.

[00:37:01] He did the same things every single day, day in and day out, and when you get to talk to centenarians, you find out that they have regimented lives that they have adhered to for the past 40 years. If they have a beer, they have that one beer in the afternoon. There's a lot to be said for that in as far as what the body likes and what makes the body thrive.

[00:37:22] Carl Lanore: [00:37:22] Oh, absolutely. 100%. You know, my grandfather, uh, he lived a very, he lived to about 84. He did have a heart attack and he, he did, uh, do some things later on what happened with him. And, and I think this is an interesting thing. I see the same thing happening with children is, um. It was like once the, once your lifestyle starts to change, then your food has to change.

[00:37:45] And so you might see like kids, you hear that you're people say this a lot about their children. They're like, my kid will never be fat, and it's like, Whoa, your kid's five. And at five years old, a lot of their brain is not fully developed and they still think they can. They still think [00:38:00] a broomstick is a horse and they can like ride around the living room.

[00:38:03] Right. And I have a lot of energy. You ever take a five-year-old on a walk? Like they go crazy and they, I keep asking him, where are you going? You're like, I don't know. I'm just going on a walk. Like, you know, they, they want to know like, are we going for ice cream? Like where are we going? They're jumping up and down off the curb.

[00:38:16] They're jumping over the fire hydrant. They're doing all kinds of stuff. But when you're seven. Or when you're nine, probably around the time you're 10 you'll stop moving as much, and then there has to be kind of a change. That's where you see kids really start to, to rapidly gain weight unless they're in a sport or unless they're in some sort of organized thing where they're getting a lot of movement in and we see a similar thing happen with elderly people.

[00:38:40] My grandfather. He didn't start having any problems until he started having arthritis in his hands and he, he worked with his hands his entire life. That was his passion. He was a mechanic. He worked on cars and things like that, and he, he, that's what he did. He's, he's sold used cars and as soon as that was taken away from him, that's when we saw his stomach start to grow out a little bit [00:39:00] before that time.

[00:39:02] My point is, before that time, he didn't have healthy. W what we would consider to be healthy habits at all. Really. Um, you know, he'd eat hamburgers and throw like butter on top of it and stuff like that,

[00:39:12] Mark Bell: [00:39:12] but that's what we pay Ruth Chris, a lot of money to do that.

[00:39:17] Carl Lanore: [00:39:17] I mean, but you know, he was still eating the bun and still eating other things, and he had a cigar every day and he would.

[00:39:21] He would drink, you know, a couple of times a week and stuff like that and all things that you would consider like, Hey, like those probably aren't great ideas, but it was really when his activity changed is when he probably needed to, to, uh, to make some different changes. But yeah, I find it, I find it fascinating that when I, when I look at people and I see when people are unhealthy and they communicate to me that they have these problems.

[00:39:44] It almost always seems to be based in under the same thing. You know, it seems to be based under like just, there's no other way to really just put it. It just seems to be based under over overeating

[00:39:56] Mark Bell: [00:39:56] or under under activity. I mean, you're right. [00:40:00] There's a lot of people say, do we get old because we come in active or do we become an active?

[00:40:04] Of course we get old and I think we get old because we become an active because of you. There's people out there who are 60 and 70 years old and they're in constant motion all day long. And they, they do better than the guy or gal who sits all the time. There's no doubt about that.

[00:40:21] Carl Lanore: [00:40:21] Yeah, a hundred a hundred percent and I think it just, whatever, whatever way, you know, I don't know what diet you promote, particularly, I'm sure you're probably a more low carb guy, but whatever diet anyone wants to grasp onto it, whatever way you can figure out not to overeat all the time, that's going to be, that's going to be the best option for now.

[00:40:42] And. We might find out more information on other things, but I've kind of yet to see it like I, I don't, there's not really low carb people at the moment living to be 120 there's, there's not an exponential percentage. That we're seeing people live longer. However, you could maybe make an argument [00:41:00] that people might be living better and we might start to see that.

[00:41:03] We might Mark my, I might start to see more of that because I don't think that Americans live longer than they did 20 years ago. I think they die longer than they used to.

[00:41:12] Mark Bell: [00:41:12] That's exactly right, because we, when we went to Ireland, Elisa and I, we walked around cemeteries purposely because I wanted to see what the 80 year old people back in the 15 hundreds there are.

[00:41:22] Uh, you know, you either died young. That's why it frustrates me when people on the news go, well, we're living longer. We're not living longer. If we were living longer, we'd be out 120 130. We've always lived into our eighth and ninth decade of life in the 13, 14, and 15 hundreds. Now, of course, we don't have a infectious disease killing us when we're nine and 12.

[00:41:45] But the reality is we're not living longer. And if anything today, we spend the last 30 years of our life in a diaper facing a wall, waiting for somebody to change the channel on the TV set in the nursing home. So you're right, the answer is not necessarily to [00:42:00] live longer, but it is to have improved health span and quality of life.

[00:42:05] I have always said it on this show, and people laugh, you know, I want people to say, Hey, did you hear Carla Nord died? Yeah, he was running for the bus. You know what I mean? Not sitting in his chair, watching, uh, watching reruns of Gilligan's Island. I want to be, go in motion when I die. I don't want to be sitting still.

[00:42:21] So that's it. That's it. We have to take one more break. But before we do that, I neglected to thank our title sponsor at the beginning of the show because I was so excited to have Mark on the show. Legendary food just introduced a great snack called the tasty pastry. If you remember eating pop tarts as a kid, you on

[00:42:38] Carl Lanore: [00:42:38] that pop card is amazing.

[00:42:40] My son eats and my son's a 50 16, and uh, he hates any, anything to do with health and nutrition. He despises like, no way, dad. But then he saw this pop tart from legendary foods and uh, the box was gone and I was pretty pissed cause I'm like, dude, I didn't even get a chance to try me.

[00:42:57] Mark Bell: [00:42:57] So you know what I did with one Mark?

[00:42:59] I took the [00:43:00] legendary. Uh, almond almond butter, the Apple pie, almond butter, and I smeared it on one pop tot and I stuck them together. One day I made a tasty pastry sandwich with peanut butter on the inside of it. It was on frigging real, but you can go to eat legendary.com. You'll learn more. They're back ordered.

[00:43:19] They can't make them fast enough. That's how frigging good they are. Nine grams of protein, less than one, less than one gram of sugar. No gluten. I mean, it's an amazing, amazing dessert. If you want to try it, eat legendary.com and let them know Karl sent you. We'll be right back and we'll wrap it up with Mark.

[00:43:36] Stay tuned.

[00:43:37] Carl Lanore: [00:43:37] This

[00:43:38] Mark Bell: [00:43:38] is the superhuman chapel where we use oxygen for the power of good.

[00:43:48] Wow. I had some dead air there. That's a no, no.

[00:43:52] Carl Lanore: [00:43:52] Yes. I'm going to weird happen there.

[00:43:53] Mark Bell: [00:43:53] Yeah. I got ghosts in the machine here. Anyway. Um, Roger Paget says that  he is [00:44:00] a, been doing a carnivore for six months and it suits him and he's 68 years old. You know the magic in these diets. I tried to explain this to people when somebody goes vegan.

[00:44:13] They go vegan like in the first couple weeks and even first couple of months, they're like, man, I feel so good. I can't understand it. And when they go kettle, it's the same thing. And when they go carnivore, it's the same thing. And it's not because of what you're eating now, it's because what you stopped eating, what you removed from the diet.

[00:44:33] And see. In my humble opinion, I think carnivore is probably the single best elimination diet you can go on. You eat nothing but meat and eggs and fish day in and day out. All of a sudden, whatever your ailments were that you were trying to figure out, they go away and then you slowly add things back in.

[00:44:52] Well, let's see. I used to eat this. Oh man, I feel like crap again. That was the problem. So carnivore is an amazing, uh, [00:45:00] elimination diet. Even kedo is a, and the Frank truth of is, you can't live forever on a vegan diet, but you could go vegan for a couple months. It's not going to kill you, and you may actually discover what really is causing you all the problems by doing something like

[00:45:14] Carl Lanore: [00:45:14] that.

[00:45:16] Yeah. I think, you know, um, I, I think we're going to find out more information about the positives of eating meat because I've been kind of talking about this for a while where I am a big proponent of manna. It really does matter what you don't eat, you know, like that's, that's huge. If you're just, if you're looking for like some general health and you just want to like.

[00:45:34] Feel better. I think, uh, what you avoid can be really, really important. But I think if you're looking for that next level, you're looking for health and maybe even performance edge, then I think what you eat, I think is going to really matter a lot. And I think we're going to see more studies and more information on just exactly what meat is doing.

[00:45:52] And then the combinations of food that you mentioned. I, I'm highly interested in that. But I also think that like when you see these comparisons, there's [00:46:00] like. Health coachK  or something like that on Instagram. And she posts, you know, a picture of kale versus a picture of meat. And it shows like the percentage of vitamins that you're actually able to absorb from the meat being like through the roof in comparison to what you can get from the kale.

[00:46:16] And so I find those things to be highly interesting, and maybe we'll. Find out more information on that. But then there's also guys like Joel green out there who are, you know, really, uh, baffling your mind. Cause you're like, man, I don't, you know, now I don't, now I don't know because he's, he's adding, uh, so much more to the equation.

[00:46:33] So I think it's, I think we're in a good spot. And I think the truth of it is, is that no one really knows. And I also have this weird, uh, belief that I don't think. Anything will really come of nutrition. I don't think, I don't think any science or any further research that's being done in nutrition field will happen.

[00:46:52] I think that, uh, things more come from our ancestors and things, uh, more come from, um, kind of like [00:47:00] more like. Old school like philosophy and epistemology, and like, I think, I think it has, I think things come more from like physics and how the world is designed than they do from us trying to figure out whether we should eat bread or or meat or be on a vegan diet versus a carnivore diet.

[00:47:18] It's just kind of a weird hunch of mine.

[00:47:19] Mark Bell: [00:47:19] So after doing this show for 14 plus years, I've come to the conclusion that as soon as somebody tells me if I hear these words come out of somebody's mouth, this is the appropriate way for humans to eat. I, I completely shut down because, because the reason that we have survived as long as we have is because we could probably eat anything and survive.

[00:47:39] Thriving is a completely different story, but it's like everybody's diet is unique. What works for you may not work for me. And what works for me may not work for my son. And so, you know, we, we have to stop this, uh, this attitude. Like we know. The way humans should eat because we have eaten [00:48:00] probably shit once in a while to stay alive in our ancestry.

[00:48:03] So, you know, like it baffles me when people do that. The other thing is, I don't know if Darwin ever looked at this, but I sincerely believe that there are breeds of humans. Right? We can accept that German shepherds look like German shepherds and they have certain traits, right? And I'm not talking about race, I'm not talking about phenotypical color of skin and, and face, I'm talking about they're a, they're a toy dogs.

[00:48:31] They obviously have IGF one issues. We have small people. We know they have IGF one issues. Uh, we have, we have, uh, people who work like we, like, like I come from a long line of Italian brick masons, right? I, I'm a, I'm a posterior chain baggage mule. That's what I was designed for. So my ancestors were, were probably working group, like you have working group dogs, you have working group humans.

[00:48:55] And I'm starting to, because you know, and I know that you can see somebody. [00:49:00] In a completely different city and they look exactly like somebody you know, in your hometown and they're not related. So I'm, I'm coming to the conclusion that there are actually breeds of humans. And when we start to understand this, we will then be able to dial into the individuality of diet needs for different people.

[00:49:18] But this whole idea that we have to eat, Oh, everybody should eat this way. That's nonsense. When people say that, like Joel loves to say, baby talk, this is good, this is bad. It's like as soon as somebody says that to me, I walk away. I'm like, look, dude, maybe 14 years ago when I first started doing this, I've had to go back and correct myself so many times where I thought I knew something and I was like, Oh shit, I didn't know anything.

[00:49:40] Carl Lanore: [00:49:40] Yeah, and I think we also have to factor in interest. Like maybe you just don't like meat that much. So maybe you're not that interested in it. And I think when we talk about, you know, what works for you, uh, we have to factor in, um, your environment. We have to factor in like your lifestyle. We have to factor in the things you're interested in.

[00:49:59] And, you know, the [00:50:00] single greatest marker of success is to be able to problem solve. You know, being able to problem solve brings happiness. Being able to problem solve, uh, is. Is really what knowledge and everything is, is kinda kind of pivots off of, you know, but you're not going to want to even solve a problem if you're not interested in it.

[00:50:16] So, interest, you know, if you're trying to teach me math, I'm not interested in math. I don't want to hear about math. So even if you have the best way to learn about math. You have failed to understand that I don't care. I don't want to learn about math. So if you have the best way for me to heal my heart because you have experience, um, 14 years of having the show and then your own personal experiences, I still don't want to hear it until I'm interested in, in it.

[00:50:44] So you, you can't make me interested in it. You might be able to provide me with information that goes through my brain that I filter out and I say. Okay. Now he's caught my attention. That interests me because he hit it. He, you struck a cord [00:51:00] and you said, Hey, look, you know what? You need to be around for your daughter when she graduates from college or whatever the situation when she gets married, or whatever it is.

[00:51:08] And that's the only way you can you, so that's really all we're trying to do is we're trying to provide enough knowledge to provide enough interest to people so that they can have, well, let's just. Let's just leave it at this and say, why not have a bunch of different options with your diet so that you can, cause I've done a lot of different diets and I have had a lot of great success with them.

[00:51:26] Even over the last six years. I've gone from three 30 down to two 30 and it's been awesome. I use the paleo diet and that worked. I used the bodybuilding style diet and that works. I use Stan efforting, his vertical diet, and that worked. I used the keto diet for a long time and that worked. It just happened to be that I was interested in those different things at those different times and it aligned with my goals even when I wanted to be fat, even when I want to be big.

[00:51:52] That aligned with my interest and my goals at the time, I was like, you know what? I'm going to get as big and as strong as I possibly can. I weighed [00:52:00] 330 pounds. I squatted 1,080 benched eight 54 and dead, lifted seven 66 and made all my hopes and dreams come true because that's where my interest was at that time.

[00:52:10] Mark Bell: [00:52:10] The only thing I want to ask you to consider watching since you're on the, uh, the meatatarian diet is, uh, is get your, uh, your ferritin and TIBC total iron binding capacity of your blood tested regularly. This is something that Ron Penna and I, if there's one thing that he and I talk about most often in text most often about it's this phenomenon, I believe that iron accumulation is the root of what we consider.

[00:52:39] Aging. When we look at aging and we look at deterioration of soft tissue and discs and spine, we look at changes in gut function and organ function. We look at breaking down the nervous system. It can actually, there's so many individual studies that show that these are all a function of iron accumulation.

[00:52:59] And when you look at [00:53:00] men and women. Premenopausal women, they bleed once a month. They don't have the iron problems that men do. Men accumulate an average of a hundred points in ferritin for every 10 years of their lives. And once you're 50 years old, you've got so much iron in you, you, you and I have a hamburger in us that we ate as kids.

[00:53:19] The iron is still in us. We don't have a system to get rid of iron. Okay? And so the only thing I'd ask you is to keep an eye on your iron. And you'll thank me 30 years from now. Wow, man. You know, I have aged so much better. That's the only reason, in my humble opinion. Okay. Matthias. Ian is one of them, but vegans do well because they don't have any iron in their diet.

[00:53:40] That's why they seem to to age a little bit better than, than omnivores. If you keep donate blood once every couple of months, and I get into arguments, we go, Oh, TRT and hematocrit note. Don't do it for that. Do it to get rid of the iron.

[00:53:55] Carl Lanore: [00:53:55] You know, I, I've heard, and I don't know how true this is, maybe you have heard this, or maybe you can correct me if I'm [00:54:00] wrong, but I've heard that dairy, um, can help kind of down-regulate the absorption

[00:54:05] Mark Bell: [00:54:05] lactoferrin.

[00:54:06] It's gotta have lactoferrin in it. It's got, okay. And there's actually, there's actually, there's actually a protein manufacturer in your state who has raw, unpasteurized dairy protein powder. That ha, that is 50% lactoferrin. Ron knows about them. Ask them. I've been waiting for somebody to come out with a protein product, but it's very expensive and no one will see the value unless they understand the value of art.

[00:54:33] But there are other things that help keep iron from being absorbed. Green tea, if you drink green tea with your meal. You get you, you won't absorb as much iron. There's other things too. Joel probably knows better than than anybody. If you don't like Joe, I don't want to absorb the iron and my food. What should I have with my food?

[00:54:52] He'll tell you, but they're all ways to do that.

[00:54:57] Carl Lanore: [00:54:57] Yeah. Joel is insane.

[00:55:00] [00:55:00] Mark Bell: [00:55:00] So anyway, I'm going to put the mind bullet back up one more time to tell people to go there. Mind bullet.com for the best Cray Tom around. I just went there to, the prices are amazing compared to what I pay for Kratom here. Uh, that those are great prices and you don't, and if you get nauseous from it, back your dose down.

[00:55:17] That's what I learned. I took four grams one time and I was like so sick. I couldn't go anywhere. I back it down to two grams. I feel great. That's it.

[00:55:24] Carl Lanore: [00:55:24] Yeah. Or got it. Or try to have it with maybe a small amount of food. It's going to feel best on an empty stomach, but maybe have a small amount of food with it.

[00:55:31] If it's going to bug your stomach. I just want to finish off by saying, you know, first of all, I'm super appreciative of being on your show and appreciative of you, uh, grinding it out and doing the show for so long. I listened to your show quite a bit. Uh, anytime I talked to Ron Penna, he always brings you up.

[00:55:46] We, we talk about your show and, uh, it's fantastic that you're. So open-minded and you're diving down all these crazy rabbit holes that maybe no one else thinks they're going to come back up out of. [00:56:00] They don't want to do it themselves. So, uh, much, much appreciated. And then lastly, I just want to say that, you know, I started, you know, losing weight.

[00:56:09] Uh, probably about eight years ago or so, and I started walking around that same time. And, uh, I just kept moving and I kept on a diet like, just hang in there. You know, the people listening to this just do your best. Uh, there is no failure. It's all just kind of part of your journey. It's part of what you're doing.

[00:56:27] Um, if you get off base, it's okay because I personally believe that there is no better way to lose weight than to do so in stages. I don't think it makes any sense to lose a flight three pounds or five pounds every single week forever. That doesn't really. I've, I've never even really seen anybody do that before.

[00:56:46] My own personal journey and story. You know, I would lose 10 maybe 15 and then I'd stop. I'd lose 10 and 15 because I'd go off the diet a little bit. I'd cheat a little bit. Maybe I gained a couple back, but just know that the [00:57:00] journey is going to take a really long time. Don't try to be too fancy. Uh, don't try to even work too hard because if you work too hard, it's going to Slingshot you or rebound you back the other way back the other direction, that much harder.

[00:57:14] Your old habits were really rear their ugly heads. So take your time with it. Don't be fancy. Try to be consistent. And then lastly, as I switched to the carnivore diet, and I don't think it's coincidental, my walking just all of a sudden turned into running. I was just walking one day and I felt pretty good and I'm like, you know what?

[00:57:31] I think I can run. I'm just going to run from here to home. And, uh, you know, being a 330 pound power lifter, I, I would have never thought that would be possible for me. So this diet has, has done tremendous things for me. And I, I, I'm not trying to sell anybody on anything. I'm not trying to, there's not a product behind this carnivore diet or carnival or mission for me.

[00:57:51] I just would love more people to be exposed. To it and for more people to give it a try. My aunt, uh, has lost 20 pounds. My [00:58:00] cousin has lost 30 pounds. My brother, uh, has a crazy transformation. One of the better transformations I've ever seen off of drugs, off of alcohol. And I think that part of it has to do with Kratom.

[00:58:11] I think part of it has to do with the carnivore diet. Um, and just all the followers and all the people that are paying attention to my stuff. We're just hearing these crazy, crazy testimonials all the time. If you're somebody that really struggles with diet, I think that this diet, uh, could be the one that, that really makes a change.

[00:58:29] I know it sounds crazy, uh, but if it changes your life and improves your life, then it's really not that crazy in the long run.

[00:58:36] Mark Bell: [00:58:36] Those are all fantastic points and we should have a, we should have a Kratom carnival cruise. Everybody that signs up for the cruise gets Kratom. We eat steaks and we, we, we go out to Cabo San Lucas or something like that.

[00:58:50] So there you go.

[00:58:52] Carl Lanore: [00:58:52] Carnivore and the coronavirus

[00:58:54] Mark Bell: [00:58:54] and the coronavirus. No, just a good Corona Mark. Thanks for being here, brother.

[00:58:58] Carl Lanore: [00:58:58] Yeah. Thank you so much. I [00:59:00] appreciate it.

[00:59:00] Mark Bell: [00:59:00] And we will see everybody tomorrow with more superhuman radio. Thank you for watching and listening today. .