[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] welcome back to another episode of super human radio. We have a timely show for you today. I'm going to be talking about sex. Differences and coronavirus. Uh, today is, uh, March the 13th. It's Friday the 13th. Gosh, I hope nothing bad happens. And, uh, we have to thank our title sponsor, and that is a legendary foods, uh, the makers of the tasty pastry, uh, the pop tart 2.09 grams of protein.

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[00:00:49] There's nothing like them out there, uh, at all today. Uh, we have a Ronnie Milo on because he is my cohost for the renew life RX show. We're not playing the music today, Ronnie. I thought we would go [00:01:00] without the music, uh, because I think it's confusing to people who think you're a Adam Lamb

[00:01:08] Ronnie Milo: [00:01:08] show. Last week.

[00:01:09] Carl Lanore: [00:01:09] Yes, he did. And I got a lot of heat for it too. A lot of people, cause apparently he had been on like Ben Greenfield show and people just like reached out to me and were like, dude, I'm like, that dude has been on my show for two years now. You just found out. Yeah. Like give me a break.

[00:01:26] Ronnie Milo: [00:01:26] When you went on that show, we probably got about a hundred new inquiries a day.

[00:01:31] Carl Lanore: [00:01:31] Yeah, I bet. Yeah.

[00:01:33] Ronnie Milo: [00:01:33] I've been crazy busy to work in seven days a week. He's been working seven days a week. All our staff's working seven days a week, all the doctors. So it's a pretty, a pretty busy right now.

[00:01:43] Carl Lanore: [00:01:43] Yeah, that's a good thing. That's a really

[00:01:44] Ronnie Milo: [00:01:44] good, yeah.

[00:01:46] Carl Lanore: [00:01:46] So, uh, when people don't know this, but when, when you first connected your camera, you had like a face mask on, right?

[00:01:52] You had like a bandana around your face.

[00:01:54] Ronnie Milo: [00:01:54] Like a Ninja mask

[00:01:55] Carl Lanore: [00:01:55] and Ninja mask because you don't want to catch coronavirus. Right. Cause

[00:01:59] Ronnie Milo: [00:01:59] you never know. It could [00:02:00] be going through the, uh, the internet waves these days,

[00:02:03] Carl Lanore: [00:02:03] everywhere. It's everywhere. So this morning I was at the gym training and this guy is old dude comes up to me and we're talking coronavirus and he picks his nose while he's talking to me, like this coughs into his hand, you know?

[00:02:19] And then he mentioned to me that he has Mercer. Yeah, this is after he fist bumped me. I only fist bumped him. That's all I did. He had his gloves on and I thought, Oh man, now I've got to go sterilize my hands and what do I do with the guys? He didn't call from my face. He was standing up. I was sitting down doing a seated shoulder presses.

[00:02:38] Yeah. And you know, he turned his head and he coughed into his hand, but through, through the conversation and he's like, yeah, well I got Murcia I was like, you still have it? Or Oh no, once you have mercy, you have it for the rest of your life. I'm like, Oh, thanks man. Nice to stop and buy.

[00:02:52] Ronnie Milo: [00:02:52] Appreciate it.

[00:02:53] Carl Lanore: [00:02:53] Move now.

[00:02:54] Move now.

[00:02:56] Ronnie Milo: [00:02:56] We had a baseball game last night and, uh, uh, their guests, I [00:03:00] guess they're mandating when we, uh, when the game is over, I can't shake hands anymore. You got a fist bump everybody, cause I didn't want to transmission of it.

[00:03:07] Carl Lanore: [00:03:07] And everybody wants to be to catch her now cause you get to wear the catcher's mask, you have to worry about anybody.

[00:03:15] Ronnie Milo: [00:03:15] Yeah.

[00:03:16] Carl Lanore: [00:03:16] How do you, how do your knees handle that? I, you know, my uncle was a catcher for the Dodgers and then the Mets, Joe pick natano and so like, and, and he always, he was always in that squad position, never had problems with his knees. I don't understand how people can do that and not have problems with, not like nowadays.

[00:03:35] The catchers have this wedge shaped piece of foam that they wear on the back of their legs. So when they get into that position, they, he called them. Pussies. He's like, they want to stay. You can't sit on your heels. He says, you gotta be on the balls of your feet the whole time. That's all.

[00:03:50] Ronnie Milo: [00:03:50] Yeah. When I was playing, they just came out with them and it was kind of like, if you wear them, then, uh, like you said, you're your pussy.

[00:03:57] So we didn't wear them. My knees are all right. [00:04:00] You know, they're, they're banged up. I mean, you know, I've been an athlete my whole life. Um, I didn't really start having any problems until late, late in my life. Um, but I fiction through peptides, STEM cells, all that stuff. So I got really no issues with them.

[00:04:12] Yeah.

[00:04:12] Carl Lanore: [00:04:12] Interesting. So, uh, there's a little bit of research coming out of, uh, China right now that shows some sex differences between men and women as it relates to dying from Corona virus. But there's a lot of unknowns in this number. Cause we know that, uh, uh, Chinese men, almost like 80% of the Chinese male population smokes, so they already have compromised lung function.

[00:04:39] And, um. But it's, uh, uh, it's slightly skewed towards men. It's like 2.6 to 1.4 the death rate of a men over women right now. So you would think, Oh, wow. You know, men die more frequently, um, from, from this Corona virus then than women. [00:05:00] But there's some really good studies out there. One of them that you and I shared this morning that look at overall immune function and ability to.

[00:05:10] Resist certain types of assaults on the body, and I don't want to give it away here, but like I want to, I think I've decided that during the coronavirus, I'm going to identify as a woman because their immune systems are so much better than men's.

[00:05:28] Ronnie Milo: [00:05:28] Well, that's progesterone and estrogen, right? But after menopause, they start to go down.

[00:05:33] So then they start to see the effects that men get. You know what I mean? So, you know, it's, it's a very tough time right now cause there's a lot of, um, I guess hype going on with the coronavirus. And my mother always tell you there's, there's always good out of a bad situation. And the good for us is now we get to understand how the role of.

[00:05:52] Hormones play in immune function. Right. And I've been pretty much studying this for about a week now and pretty, pretty good at, uh, [00:06:00] understanding immune function before I had a little bit of knowledge of it. Right. We understood it cause we tested on our labs, you know, a test for basophils, a Ciena, Phil's limps, all that stuff.

[00:06:10] So we kind of understand like on the surface out of, you know, look at it now, it's kinda like. All right, it's in this coronavirus is a big topic. I've gotta be on my game. So it's really understanding what the immune system does, you know? And, uh, it was to become a professional in it and try and just to learn as much as you possibly can with the core correlation between the hormones and the immune system.

[00:06:33] Right.

[00:06:33] Carl Lanore: [00:06:33] So, well, and so the interesting thing about this is that we talk about, so estrogen definitely confers and progesterone definitely confers. Some real benefits when it comes to immune function. In fact, women have a much greater ability to fight off bacterial infections than men do, which speaks to this whole, um, you know, baby talk.

[00:06:56] Oh, well, progesterone is a female hormone. Estrogen is a female [00:07:00] hormone, and it's, you know, this, we hopefully, we've left some of that stupidity behind by now that they're all human hormones. They just occur in different ratios and in women at different times, depending on the luteal phase or the follicular phase of their, of their menstrual cycle.

[00:07:15] And so women tend to be more susceptible to getting sick, uh, during the luteal phase, and progesterone tends to be higher at that point in time. Right. I thought that was kind of interesting. Like, is it, is it the higher progesterone or is it the lower estradiol. . They don't, they haven't been able to tease that out.

[00:07:39] In fact, they're very cautious to say we're unsure if this is because of high progesterone or lower estrogen. Right.

[00:07:47] Ronnie Milo: [00:07:47] In the end, the study, it shows that once the either or progesterone or estrogen gesture, gins are elevated, they create more antibodies in the system and they're more susceptible to getting sick [00:08:00] autoimmune diseases.

[00:08:00] Right. We have a lot of females that come through the clinic where

[00:08:02] Carl Lanore: [00:08:02] all women get autoimmunity. Yeah. And then

[00:08:05] Ronnie Milo: [00:08:05] the study, it kind of confirms that a, you know, at higher progesterone levels or estrogen levels, that, uh, they create more antibodies that create more, um, resistance, if you will, you know, to these type of, uh, uh, illnesses.

[00:08:19] So did you catch that from the study?

[00:08:21] Carl Lanore: [00:08:21] Yes. Yes. And that's the other thing. The reality is it's a real give and take. It's not like one does better than the other one does better with some things and worse. With some things than the other. And with women, it's a sliding scale depending on where they are in their menstrual cycle.

[00:08:41] I mean, it's a , which we actually started making me think about making gains in the gym. It seems to me that there's different phases of a woman's period that she is more prone to resolving inflammation because of, uh, cytokines and, and, uh, [00:09:00] and, and interleukins that seem to be present. And then they kind of go away.

[00:09:04] And if a woman could really get her, uh, if a woman could really understand where she is in her cycle, she could actually time her training like, okay, this is the time to really crush it. This is the time to back off a little bit and make the greatest gains in that 28 day period.

[00:09:22] Ronnie Milo: [00:09:22] Right? And, and when they're pre-menopause right before menopause, they're probably there.

[00:09:27] Their body goes through homeostasis multiple times a month, obviously, to account for the menstrual cycle. Once they stop producing eggs to the ovaries and they go through the menopause phase, everything subsides. Then you start to see, you know, implications of, you know, illnesses and stuff in that nature.

[00:09:46] Plus. Osteoporosis, things like that because of the downregulation of those master hormones, right? And if you look at it in a whole, the immune system is very intricate, just like the [00:10:00] sexual hormone system, right? There's a bunch of different things that work for you, against you, with you. Same with the hormone system.

[00:10:08] Well, you know what it is, is all a lot of people, if you're, if you're trying to complete a puzzle. And you know what the picture looks like, but you're missing the pieces. The body will go away. Right. And then that point when, when hormones are or are up or they're down, the immune system can't function accordingly because they're missing pieces of the puzzle.

[00:10:29] You know what I mean? So it's a, it's a very hard points of balance. But I think we could start to identify a bunch of different things by specifically targeting hormones. Then the body will obviously create homeostasis and then everything else starts to, to, to maintain itself.

[00:10:45] Carl Lanore: [00:10:45] The other thing that I discovered from reading some of this research is that women who are on, uh, um, birth control, their, their immune systems are all jacked up because of the birth control because it's basically like pushing them into early [00:11:00] menopause.

[00:11:00] When you think about it. From a chemical menopause, we can call it  chemical menopause. Really?

[00:11:05] Ronnie Milo: [00:11:05] Yeah. Because you're messing with their hormone levels. Right. You know, it's, the body's trying to maintain homeostasis, but if we're giving it something, it's too much of it, then the body just goes

[00:11:13] Carl Lanore: [00:11:13] haywire. Well, and when we look, most of the oral, uh, um, birth control pills are progestin based, except the ones are that are any biotic base, like the, uh, the tryciclics, I think they're called.

[00:11:29] Um, when you look at that and you, then you go back and look at, Oh wow. Women are much more susceptible to getting sick, getting an infection during the luteal phase. And the luteal phase is actually when their progesterone levels are highest, but that's just a window in 28 days that that happens when you're on.

[00:11:50] A progestin based birth control pill. It's all month long that your body is susceptible to getting sick because that, that, that you're just basically taking the little phase and making it every, [00:12:00] the whole period.

[00:12:01] Ronnie Milo: [00:12:01] Right. But also remember too, is when they get there, their menstrual cycle, they're able to eliminate blood, which meant Ahrens.

[00:12:07] So if there's bacteria in the blood, anything that can cause, um, you know, uh, immunity, autoimmunity or infections. They're able to get rid of the blood through the menstrual cycle. Men, we just can't do that unless we give blood. Uh, that's why we always recommend to give blood. So, um, that's another benefit that they have, obviously for, for health and longevity.

[00:12:26] Uh, once that stops, and then you start to see the antibodies get, uh, broughten back up and then see a decrease in white blood cell count, obviously through the hormonal base and in the study, it kind of identifies when progesterone and estrogen are, or. Within normal limits or within, within good. Good with good limits, good measures.

[00:12:45] Their body creates white blood cells, right? But white blood cell creates T helper cells, you know, the whole kind of, uh, immune functioning systems. Once the hormones actually down-regulate and they stopped producing and the white blood cell count don't get, [00:13:00] they don't get as made as much. So then there's more accessibility for, for infection.

[00:13:05] Carl Lanore: [00:13:05] So we've heard a lot about the NK killer cells over the years and how important they are. And they are actually the ones that kill viruses. Um, and so N K killer cells are almost completely disrupted when you use, uh, oral birth control pills, progestin based birth control pills. And when you think about that and you just kinda overload, say, okay, this is true here, if we flip it over and put it over here, and you say, okay.

[00:13:31] Women who have gone through menopause and uh, now all their hormones are tanked. This is when, you know, and we, and we chalk it up to aging. It's like, it's like there's a clock inside of a body that goes, Oh, you're 60 years old now. We're not gonna fight infections anymore. We're not gonna fight bacteria anymore.

[00:13:49] It's not. It's because these hormone levels change and they, in fact, we've known that sex hormones influence the immune system. Since the early [00:14:00] research on pregnancy, because in fact, um, one of the roles of, uh, one of the inflammatory cytokines, I can't think of the name of it now. It's actually, it's responsible for implantation of, uh, of the fertilized egg in, in the, uh, is the endometrium, I guess is where it puts itself.

[00:14:23] Like, if you don't have that inflammatory cytokine. You'll just keep miscarrying. You know, you think you're pregnant for a month or two and then nothing happens. And so we know the immune system and, and sex hormones, they, they have a very close relationship. They help each other. And so it shouldn't be any mystery to people that.

[00:14:44] Your levels of testosterone in men. Because keep in mind, guys, when we talk about testosterone, we talk about estrogen too for men, because we make our estrogen from our testosterone. We don't have a gland in our body like an ovary that makes estrogen for us. And so, [00:15:00] you know, when we, when we look at the role of hormones and how they influence healthy immune function and response, it's undeniable.

[00:15:09] And to think. To think that it, Oh, I can take a birth control pill, or, you know, I went through menopause. I'm not going to worry about it. Uh, I'm, I'm sure that if I eat right and I exercise right, no, you're not. You're still going to come in contact with pathogens and viruses that you are able to resist in the past that now they're going to take you down.

[00:15:29] And you know, th th this really speaks to the 30,000 foot view, which is about how being healthy in the first place. Has been overlooked in this country because people want to sit and play on their iPhones. They don't want to do anything that's moderately strenuous. They want to eat crap food. They want to Rob themselves of, of, of, of life healing, sleep.

[00:15:54] And then when something like this comes around and it's like, Oh, we're not. The people who have a [00:16:00] compromised health conditions are most at risk. That's like 50% of all population because they're talking about anybody who has type two diabetes. You know? I mean, almost half the population is sick because they're lazy fat asses today, right?

[00:16:16] Ronnie Milo: [00:16:16] I mean, I've seen the graph that says. If you are, you know, diabetic, if you have cardiovascular disease, if you have autoimmune disease or anything like that, the rate of the coronaviruses higher. Not if that's true, but, um, that makes sense, right? Because if you have those types of things, you already are in an inflamed state.

[00:16:36] So the, uh, the immunity, uh, uh, in the body is actually down, so you're more susceptible to get these kinds of a virus

[00:16:45] Carl Lanore: [00:16:45] in the first place. And the first place. And I,

[00:16:48] Ronnie Milo: [00:16:48] and I had a client actually emailed me this morning and I didn't, you know, ask her anything. And she, um, you know, she's a client with us and she's on hormones obviously, and she said that she went to see your grandkids or [00:17:00] grandkids were sick, you know, nod and keep sneezing and coughing on her and she didn't get sick.

[00:17:04] And I said, we'll see. Once we normalize the hormones and we get the hormones work and your immune system works better. And she's like, that's the first time that I wanted to see my grandkids and I've never gotten sick from them. And I'm like, well, that's great. That's great. That's good. That's good

[00:17:16] Carl Lanore: [00:17:16] work.

[00:17:18] The other thing that hormones do for us that influences the immune system is they have the ability to mitigate stress and what we know, one of the first things that women talk about when they start going through menopause is like everything rattles them. You know, and they'll say to you, you know, there are things that I used to be able to, you know, work, take care of the baby, come home and cook, take it in stride.

[00:17:43] And nothing bothered me. But now the littlest thing just sends me off the edge and, and you, uh, extra dial, specifically blunts, adrenal response. Right? So I want to, when estrogen starts to drop, it's almost like the gas pedal [00:18:00] becomes unfettered and every little thing. Things that used to take you from zero to 10 miles an hour, now take you from zero to 60 miles an hour.

[00:18:08] And so, and, and we know that stress depletes the immune function. It depletes the immune system. So if every little flippant thing is freaking you out, making you stress out, you're, you're like, you, you, you, you have a thin veil. Covering you from getting sick all the time because your immune system is jacked from all the stress you live, the self imposed stress, you live in wonder.

[00:18:34] Ronnie Milo: [00:18:34] Right? Also, it's also diet control as well, but we ask a lot of control questions before they, it's a good screening process before they become a client. A lot of the questions are, you know, do you suffer from emotional issues, anxiety, depression? Uh, if they do say yes and we do get the blood work back, most likely their estrogens, if it's a woman, are, are low.

[00:18:56] If it's a man, most likely testosterone's low or it could be both. [00:19:00] Then when we do our follow ups, we do follow up every two weeks. We ask them, you know, how are you feeling? How's your mood? How's your anxiety? Nine times out of 10, we get a, Oh, it's better, right? I don't have anxiety no more. Things. Don't, don't tick me off.

[00:19:13] Or. I'm sleeping better, or my depression's gone. You know, I have more motivation to do things. So it's more of like a, uh, uh, uh, uh,

[00:19:24] Carl Lanore: [00:19:24] correction

[00:19:24] Ronnie Milo: [00:19:24] for these people, uh, for the clients. Uh, and then w, you know, we're, we're alleviating a lot of the symptoms that they're having, which, uh, they haven't had any success doing that before.

[00:19:33] Carl Lanore: [00:19:33] Yeah. Because nothing in their lives have changed except the way they respond to it now. That's all that's changed. They still have the same kids that have bratty, they still have the same job. That sucks. They still have all the same problems they had before, but now they're just not, they're not dealing with it the same way.

[00:19:49] They're not getting pushed over the edge all the time. That's the power of these hormones. Right.

[00:19:54] Ronnie Milo: [00:19:54] Very important. Very important.

[00:19:55] Carl Lanore: [00:19:55] Yeah. I want to go ahead and take our first commercial break real quick when we come back. Going to talk [00:20:00] more about this. The bottom line is this, women have a much better. Immune system, uh, than men do.

[00:20:08] And it's because of the extra progesterone and estrogen that circulates in their body. So what does that say about guys who immediately get on aromatase inhibitors when they get on testosterone? Are they, are they compromising their immune system? Let's address that when we come back. Okay. Stay tuned.

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[00:20:41] I'm doing too many things at one time. Hold on one second. I can't, I can't. I was opening a file at the same time while I was trying to switch the cameras. Uh, okay. Welcome back. We're talking about coronavirus and hormones. So what are your thoughts on this, uh, this idea of, uh, [00:21:00] suppress a estrogen at all costs for men?

[00:21:02] I mean, I know that it backfires in a lot of other areas, but what about the guys who are keeping their estradiol levels so low because they think it's better for their physique and their exposure to, uh, viruses? Right.

[00:21:17] Ronnie Milo: [00:21:17] Well, I mean, obviously if you look at what the body produces or lymphocytes, right?

[00:21:22] Once you start to eliminate estrogen, your body starts to eliminate. If your testosterone dominant and estrogen, um, negative, the body will actually. Uh, I guess eat the lymphocytes, right? Unless you have a correct hormone imbalance, right? Estrogen showing just to, to create more lymphocytes. Lymphocytes obviously help with immune function.

[00:21:44] So once you start to crash, the estrogen and testosterone becomes dominant, then the testosterone will actually eat the lymphocytes and lower the, uh, the immune function. Um, so plus, I mean, there's a bunch of different side effects associated with low estrogen levels. A lot of guys, um, [00:22:00] you know, at the clinic, we'll do, you know, we'll tell them, you know, the doctor will tell them to take, you know, 0.5 milligrams of estrogen based on their labs.

[00:22:06] Uh, they'll get up in the morning, they'll have a little bit of water retention, they'll have a little bit of nipple sensitivity, and then they start to use maybe two or three a week. Then they come back and they're like. I'm having a sexual problems. I can't sleep. Um, my joints hurt. I'm having hot flashes at night.

[00:22:23] Uh, I just don't feel right. And I'm like, okay, well, let's go ahead and look at the labs. We'll do the labs, and then a doctor come back and be like, what is he taking? Like he's taking, you know, an Ash result. We've taken too much of it. Tell them to do the recommended dosage of 0.5. Um, so we see that a lot of times people, they'll start to feel the symptoms and they'll go head on their own and they'll just start taking more nationals off cause they think more is better.

[00:22:46] But actually they'll crash the rash agenda and then they call us and they're like, I'm having these symptoms. What's the problem? Basically contributing to low estrogen because they've crashed it themselves.

[00:22:56] Carl Lanore: [00:22:56] You know, the, um, this, um, [00:23:00] false message that really evolved from. Dan Dushane and the bodybuilding community, that estrogen is bad for men, makes you hold water, um, it'll make you fatter.

[00:23:12] You know, there's actual studies that show that men on HRT who took an aromatase inhibitor versus men who are on the same dose but didn't. The men who didn't, who had higher estradiol levels. Uh, lost more body fat and gained more muscle given all things being equal. So I, you know, as I should dial is both anabolic and light ballistic.

[00:23:39] But, but it's been a, it's been a bad message that's come from, uh, the bodybuilding world that, you know, you got to crush estrogen, you gotta crush it. It's, it's a bad hormone, it's bad hormone, and, and nothing could be further from the truth and it's, it's actually hurt a lot more people that it's helped, in my opinion.

[00:23:55] Ronnie Milo: [00:23:55] Right. And, and, and, you know, when you come through our clinic, not everybody, uh, is, [00:24:00] is qualifies for a Roman TACE inhibitor. Right. Or we get a lot of people that come in from other clinics that have been, you know, uh, seen by other physicians. They come back and their testosterone is just, isn't normal, even though they're on hormone replacement.

[00:24:13] But they also, their estrogens dropped because what they're compounding pharmacies are doing now, or. Compounding the International's all inside of the testosterone itself.

[00:24:22] Carl Lanore: [00:24:22] I couldn't believe that if somebody else has told me that,

[00:24:25] Ronnie Milo: [00:24:25] yeah, there's no, there's no control of the estrogen of the, I'm sorry, the Anastrazole if you're taking it weekly with your injection.

[00:24:34] And, and we're like, well, you're feeling bad because your estrogen's job. Well, I have this compound and testosterone with the Anastrazole. And I'm like, well, that's not the, not, not the right thing to do. And then also a lot of people just don't need estrogen blockers. Some people will come back, their testosterone is, you know, within the thousand range, the rest region 70 they're not aromatase.

[00:24:52] And they have no symptoms of high estrogen. And we just keep, we just keep them up that we don't need to touch it. But if they are sensitive. We want [00:25:00] to make sure to keep it in the right balance and the right balance. Optimal levels are 20 to 40 some people can operate 50 60 70 some people, if they touch it,

[00:25:10] Carl Lanore: [00:25:10] I want to ask you a question about that.

[00:25:12] So if I come into your clinic and I'm on HRT. And I am at 60 that's, is that Pico grubs or nanograms? A leader. What is that? . Okay. And I'm at 60 nanograms, but I have no symptoms. I don't have tender nipples. I'm not holding water. I'm not complaining about anything at all. Would you say we need to lower your SDL anyway, or would you say, no, you're doing fine.

[00:25:39] We're going to leave you there.

[00:25:41] Ronnie Milo: [00:25:41] We will look at your SHBG as well, make sure it's not elevated or decreased. And if you're not having symptoms, then no,

[00:25:48] Carl Lanore: [00:25:48] because let's be honest, some guys may operate with higher estrodiol without any problems. And why Rob them of that neurological protective immune system enhancing effect.

[00:26:00] [00:26:00] Ronnie Milo: [00:26:00] And that's what I tell a lot of people when they come through the clinic is like, we're not treating labs. We're not trying to chase numbers. We're trying to treat symptoms, right? If we have a higher success rate for treating symptoms, you could chase numbers all day. You know, testosterone, estrogen, SHBG, progesterone, pregnant alone, DGA.

[00:26:16] You could chase numbers all day. But if the outcome is not the leading of the symptoms that these people are having, then we're not, it's not very successful. And that's what we're really good at is managing symptoms. Yes, we use the reference range as, as a, uh, a foundational point to make sure that they don't get elevated like PSA, a hematocrit, hemoglobin, alt, AST levels.

[00:26:39] Right. We've got to monitor them very closely. Um, but like I said, somebody can come back. Somebody could function at 675 nanograms per deciliter. Testosterone. Some people just can't. Some people could function at 1200 some people can't. Right? Everybody's different. So what we do is wellness by design, and that means we're creating a program specifically for them [00:27:00] based on their symptoms.

[00:27:01] And like I said, the labs are a very good indicator point to monitor them through the process, but we're not chasing numbers. We're chasing symptoms

[00:27:09] Carl Lanore: [00:27:09] right. That's a good point. So there's a, like so many things discovered in medicine, they're misnamed, right? So they discovered, um, Neutrik, uh, peptide, um, what is it?

[00:27:25] Uh, they, they, uh, brain new trick peptide, BNP was discovered in pig's brain. So they, they said, Oh, this is resident in the brain. And they called it that. And then they found that it's made by the heart too. They discovered. Prostate specific antigen in the prostate tissue, but then they found out it's in breast tissue of women too.

[00:27:45] So they often miss name things. So there's something called leukemia inhibiting factor. It's a type of, uh, immune, um, uh, cytokine. And it is, uh, and they [00:28:00] discovered that it kept people from developing leukemia. Those who had it didn't develop leukemia of the test subjects. Those who didn't have it developed it.

[00:28:09] And so they naturally named it leukemia inhibiting factor, but it's also implicated in the development of rheumatoid arthritis now. Um, and it is one of the hormones. I mean, one of the cytokines that. Women because of their robust immune system, uh, gets them into trouble with autoimmunity because it's one of the most highly implicated, uh, uh, immune soldiers, if you will, that leads to autoimmunity.

[00:28:41] It's very, very interesting to me, and we see this in women that it's very protective, very, very protective. Until something flips in the immune system and you know, like how they, they tag something with the red dot and the missile hits it. Well, your immune system is very similar. The designs that that tissue is evil [00:29:00] and we got to get it, and that's when this a LIIF leukemia inhibiting factor seems to go awry, but it's something that protects women from a lot of diseases that men get.

[00:29:10] And because we don't have as much of it. Isn't that interesting?

[00:29:13] Ronnie Milo: [00:29:13] Yeah, not very interesting. I mean, there's a lot of inner workings with the immune system and it's very fascinating to, to learn about.

[00:29:20] Carl Lanore: [00:29:20] Well, and the bottom line was, after reading all this research, I was like, man, women have greater immune function and protective function from their immune system than men do.

[00:29:30] And, and it's not necessarily because we have more testosterone. It's because they have more progesterone and estrogen than we do. So it really comes down to.

[00:29:40] Ronnie Milo: [00:29:40] Why do you think it's just the body's protection for them to carry offspring, right? If they get sick,

[00:29:47] Carl Lanore: [00:29:47] we'll get course and the hierarchy of evolution, they're more important than we are.

[00:29:53] They really are. Because look, you can have one deer, right? He can impregnate [00:30:00] seven doughs and give seven offspring. So really the dose are more important. Because any, any buck can go in and pregnant, seven, eight, 10 15 dose, and there's seven, eight 15 offspring. Boom. So, right from an evolutionary perspective, because reproduce reproduction and continuation of the species is critical.

[00:30:22] It's most important. You know, the real value is in the factory making the human, and that's women's bodies. So they're endowed with a lot more defense mechanisms than men are. So

[00:30:37] Ronnie Milo: [00:30:37] makes sense.

[00:30:37] Carl Lanore: [00:30:37] Yeah, that's kind of unfair. Like I said, when I was reading this research, I thought, you know, I think I'm going to start identifying as a woman for a while, at least until this covert 19 thing is over, I'll get some extra protection.

[00:30:49] Um, any other pearls of wisdom you have as it relates to things that you've seen in practice that shows that the women [00:31:00] definitely fare better than men when it comes to these types of a viral outbreaks?

[00:31:04] Ronnie Milo: [00:31:04] Um, nothing that we could test for. You know, we're, we're just doing a basic kind of home from the, uh, not a hormonal kind of, but, you know, um, immune panel and it's just basic stuff.

[00:31:13] You know, basophils, the Santa Phil's lymphocytes and stuff in that nature. We kind of go over it and we make sure that things aren't out of the range. They are to the range. You know, we get back to the doctor and was like, Hey, listen, they have whatever the case may be up in . My respond back that they're probably fighting an infection or they probably have something going on in their system.

[00:31:33] Uh, but we don't do an extensive test for immunity. Um, you know, with that. So I don't really see a lot of correlation between the hormones and the immune panel, um, from our lab work. Um, because, you know, we're only testing the surface. I think if you test a little bit deeper, you might be able to see the correlation between the hormones and the immune system.

[00:31:54] Um, so like I said, we only, we only brushing the surface cause we're not, you know, we're [00:32:00] not really. One of those facilities that test for immune function, right? We're not immune doctors, we don't have immune doctors and they do understand it, but they're more of the sexual hormone side.

[00:32:10] Carl Lanore: [00:32:10] Well, do you have a, for instance, do you have a women who have had asthma their whole lives and when they get on HRT, the occurrence of their asthma subsides?

[00:32:21] Cause that's another autoimmune disorder that seems to have a link to estrogen.

[00:32:28] Ronnie Milo: [00:32:28] Yeah, I mean, we have a lot of patients that come through that have Hashimoto's. Um, and then once we put them on hormones, once we regulate their nutrition or die, we see the TPO, thyroid proxy antibody number decreased significantly.

[00:32:40] So, yes, to your point, once we put them on hormones, obviously they have some hormonal deficiencies. Uh, we concentrate on, on eliminating some of the inflammation markers that they might be having. Um, and then also we also see the symptoms relief from that. And then, you know, we do at, at one point we could ask the doctor to call four different markers like [00:33:00] GPO, uh, T three T four or whatever the case may be, to see if we can eliminate a lot of the lab values.

[00:33:07] Carl Lanore: [00:33:07] Interesting. I want to take our last commercial break, and when we come back, I want to talk, I want to change the subject a little bit, uh, to vitamin D. Cause I wrote a blog, uh, at the onset of this whole coronavirus thing that was pretty well researched. And I don't know if you saw the blog I wrote, but it's on the super and radio.net website.

[00:33:28] And it's a, it talks about the link between sun exposure and Corona virus. And the NIH actually knows about this because they published a study called the latitude effect about the country of Brazil and the spread of viruses. And we'll talk about that. But now. There's a lot of, a much better respected or well-respected physicians and scientists than I who have now come forth and said, uh, we are seeing, uh, the effects of longterm vitamin [00:34:00] D.

[00:34:00] uh, um, what's the word I'm looking for? Uh, low levels of vitamin D in the population, not able to fight off this virus right now. And I think it's a very interesting perspective. So we'll talk about that when we come back. Stay tuned. This is the superhuman channel where we use oxygen for the power of good.

[00:34:22] Welcome back. I want to talk about a Corona virus specifically for a second. I wrote a blog a couple of weeks ago. I released it on a Monday, I believe. And I talked about some research that I saw. I started pulling from a string, right? LL three, seven has been shown to, um, reduce the transcription of certain retroviruses.

[00:34:47] And, and this is a retrovirus retrovirus for those of you who don't know, is a virus that, um, harnesses an enzyme called reverse transcriptase to actually. Take [00:35:00] your DNA and put a blueprint of the virus into your DNA so that every cell starts to produce the virus. And that's why it's so overwhelming.

[00:35:07] That's why it goes from, you know, you're sick, and then it just overwhelmed your body because it just, just so much of it is produced so quickly. And HIV, Ebola, SARS, these are all retroviruses and there's others and they looked at LL three, seven and in fact, LL three seven had an effect. On stopping the replication of retroviruses, but then when you dig deeper, you find out that, um, it's not the LL three, seven at all.

[00:35:34] So LL three, seven is a downstream metabolite of colo. calciferol a 25 hydroxy, uh, OHD. Uh, so when they started to tease these numbers out, they found out that they did one study with people with sepsis, and. They gave them bolus doses of D three 200  200,000 I'll use one [00:36:00] shot, tracked it. They looked at their blood work for like 10 days.

[00:36:03] At the fifth day it had peaked and the survival rate was more closely tied to circulating 25 hydroxy D than it was LL three seven so then they did another study where they gave varying doses of D. Looked at, and these are all on my blog. If you go to superior radio.net, you'll see a down at the bottom of the page, it says urgent, the, uh, the connection between a sun exposure and, and co coronavirus.

[00:36:32] And so then they looked and they saw, wow. Uh, the placebo group had a higher rise of LL three, seven. Then the, the middle dose group. And the middle dose in the high dose group had the highest elevations of Unbound 25 OHD and that's where the magic was in that study. So then, you know, I started thinking about it.

[00:36:57] I thought, well, if this is [00:37:00] true, then we should see something from populations that live in the sun more than we do. And sure enough, the NIH did a study about the country of Brazil because Brazil is long. Yeah, but it's about the same landmasses the United States, and the top of it is literally on the equator, and the bottom of it is pretty far away from the equator.

[00:37:21] And we all know that viruses spread most rapidly in areas of dense population, hence big cities. All the big cities are in Northern Brazil. All the rural areas are in Southern Brazil cause he's a better growing climates cause they're not scalding Lee hot sunny climates like the desert they have, they, they have cooler weather down there, you know, rains down there and so on and so forth.

[00:37:49] So you would expect that viruses would occur and be transmitted to a greater degree in the North where the big cities all, but that's not the way it [00:38:00] is there. Greater occurrences of the viruses in the South. Where it's further from the sun, but it's also sparsely populated. This doesn't mean that this is crazy.

[00:38:09] So without saying it's the sun. The NIH did a great study called Brazil and viruses, the latitude effect. Now look. It has nothing to do with latitude. The virus doesn't know that you're closer to this parallel than that parallel. But with the virus does know is it doesn't like vitamin D and there's more vitamin D in the sun.

[00:38:34] Right? So I wrote this piece and I sent it around and you know, I ain't got some comments and it got some play. Now all of a sudden I just got, somebody just texted me, another one. I didn't get it up there, but this buddy of mine just texted me this from a. From a, this is actually a journal by a famous Dr.

[00:38:53] David Page, uh, you know, CDC action to treat the long ignored global pandemic of [00:39:00] vitamin D deficiency. That, that that's why this, this, uh, this virus is actually, uh, progressing, uh, so, so much. And I thought it was very interesting because when you think about it, these, uh, these, these, uh, dermatologists are telling us to stay out of the sun.

[00:39:17] Everybody slathering themselves with sunblock. When what has happened in our skin for millions of years all of a sudden isn't happening. We're all vitamin D deficient and we become opera. These viruses are opportunistic and we become great hosts for these viruses because we don't have those high levels of 25 hydroxy, and if you're afraid of the sun, I get it.

[00:39:40] You're confused about skin cancer. You don't understand that  skin cancer actually comes from your diet. Right. Then just the, just take vitamin D, take 10,000 I'll use a vitamin D a

[00:39:50] Ronnie Milo: [00:39:50] day.  I mean, I get, I get it all the time cause I'm on the baseball field, you know, hours and hours on end and I don't, I don't wear a hat.

[00:39:57] I wear sunglasses. I always attract my eyes, but I don't wear any [00:40:00] sunblock. And the parents are like, you're not wearing sunblock. I'm like, Nope. They're like, you're going to get skin cancer. I'm like, no chance. And you're like, what do you mean? I'm like, it starts from your diet. It doesn't start, the sun doesn't project, we'll give you skin cancer.

[00:40:10] You don't get that. No. Then they're like, well you need to wear sunblock. I'm like, why would I want to put toxins directly into my skin? You know what I mean? Cause if you look at the back of a sunscreen, there's so much garbage in the back of there. It's like I can't even pronounce half the stuff. I don't want to put it on my skin.

[00:40:25] Carl Lanore: [00:40:25] People don't think they're absorbing that, I guess. No,

[00:40:28] Ronnie Milo: [00:40:28] no. And I, you know, I get a nice Brown color cause I'm Italian, you know, so I enjoy the tan with it as well. Um, but even though that I do stand in the sun a lot, coaching baseball, uh, when I do get my lab work back, nine times out of 10, I'm still deed deficient.

[00:40:42] Carl Lanore: [00:40:42] Right. You know why that is, right? Because

[00:40:44] Ronnie Milo: [00:40:44] of the, uh, the skin.

[00:40:46] Carl Lanore: [00:40:46] Well, because of the skin and because, so we, we, you and I, and our people, we evolved under constant exposure to the sun. And so as an evolutionary protection measure. [00:41:00] We do, we develop more melanin in the skin to protect us from burning, but we also carry more vitamin D binding protein to get the D out of our systems quicker.

[00:41:13] I mean, I remember. One summer, I was laying out at the beach of the beach at the pool, uh, continuously, and my 20, my 25, Oh eight G levels will only like 36. And Elisa said, how could that be? And I said, because my people were exposed to the sun so much that we manage it, we manage it. We, we actually have components to keep it down because otherwise it would get too

[00:41:39] Ronnie Milo: [00:41:39] high.

[00:41:40] Right. Yeah. And that's why I supplement with a, well, obviously vitamin D, but when I used to work at my other clinic, we used to extensively test for vitamin D. no, probably say 75%. People came back and they were need efficient. Right. Even though they were in the sun, you know, construction workers, uh, you know, lawn maintenance people, they were still D [00:42:00] deficient.

[00:42:00] Um, you know, like, Hey, you need vitamin D. well, I'm in the sun all the time. I'm like, it's not working. You know what I mean? Or what happens is somebody lay on the sun. Right? When they get back in the inside, they go out and take a shower,

[00:42:13] Carl Lanore: [00:42:13] right, exactly.

[00:42:14] Ronnie Milo: [00:42:14] Wash it all off so they think, Oh, I was outside for 2030 minutes.

[00:42:17] I got a nice coat. I'm going to go take a shower, and then my vitamin D levels would be good, but

[00:42:22] Carl Lanore: [00:42:22] it doesn't work that way and that's probably doubted I think about it. That's probably why my D levels didn't get high, because I would jump in the pool, I'd lay in the sun, I jumped in the pool. I'd lay into sound like go upstairs and shower.

[00:42:33] So the DDA was manufactured. Never had a chance to really get into my skin. Right? Yeah. But, uh, you know, taking vitamin D and probably vitamin a along with it, real vitamin a, by the way, retinol has been implicated in protecting against skin cancer. Protecting and skits casual. They, they, there was a study done, I can't quote it, but I do remember that when they [00:43:00] looked at the most aggressive melanomas, they found these people had virtually no real vitamin a in their skin.

[00:43:07] When they looked at people who were exposed to a lot of sun but never developed any melanomas, they had high levels of retinol, vitamin a in their skin, and see my frustration with this whole discussion about skin cancer. A doctor could tell you, Oh yeah, beta carotene will protect you from getting skin cancer.

[00:43:29] And if you'd ask them, well, how could something I'm eating doc protect me from getting skin cancer? He'd explained to you, well, the beta, the carotenoids get into your skin and they protect your DNA. From sun exposure, but they don't take the, the one more step forward and say, which means there are some things in your diet that probably can promote skin cancer.

[00:43:53] Ronnie Milo: [00:43:53] Absolutely. I'm clear.

[00:43:56] Carl Lanore: [00:43:56] Of course. Who knows what all these artificial colors, [00:44:00] artificial preservatives, artificial, this, artificial that in our diet, they could be. You know, no one has done this study. I just talked about this this weekend. I know I'm probably repeating myself for people who listen to the show and say continuously, but it has to be repeated when us, what is somebody going to do a skin cancer study and a actually look at the photoreactivity of different ingredients and foods and go, Oh my God, did you know that.

[00:44:26] You know, I don't know. Pick, pick something that's in food that we don't want. You know, uh, actually increased the rate of skin cancer in these rodents. It's like, Oh, wow. So eating, that increases skin cancer, but no one does that. They look at what prevents skin cancer in the diet, but they don't look at what, what enhances skin cancer in the diet.

[00:44:46] Right?

[00:44:47] Ronnie Milo: [00:44:47] Yeah. Look at the caveman. Caveman ran around all the time in the sun. Do you think any cave man died from cancer? Not that I know. Do you know of any of that?

[00:44:55] Carl Lanore: [00:44:55] No. I mean, but I doubt that they died of skin cancer. You're right.

[00:44:59] Ronnie Milo: [00:44:59] Exactly. [00:45:00] I mean, so you know, cancer starts from the inside out and start from the outside in.

[00:45:03] You know what I mean?

[00:45:04] Carl Lanore: [00:45:04] Yeah. So take your vitamin D if you're worried about coronavirus. So I went to the gym today and I posted on Facebook. Laughingly, the gym is empty. I can get used to this coronavirus thing. You know? Cause there was like, it was like, what was that? Like my own gym. And there are people telling me they should close the gym.

[00:45:23] Wait until you touch a barbell from somebody else who so, so I want to want to make one other point and I want people to remember that I said this. Okay. I want people to remember that I said this. So probably six months or a year from now, we're going to find out that there are large number of people in our population.

[00:45:42] That actually had the Corona virus, but never developed any symptoms at all because something in their body stopped the replication. Like that's, that's the 25 hydroxy has been shown in HIV to stop the replication of the virus. Think about that. Okay, so there's a large number of people [00:46:00] out there who will be exposed to coronavirus but won't get sick.

[00:46:03] There's a, there's even already we're seeing a population. Who are exposed to it and don't develop symptoms, they, they get a little wheezing in the chest. That's it. And it goes away. If I wish we could test everybody, I wish we could. You know why? Because if we could test everybody. See right now, we're only testing the people that are symptomatic and dying.

[00:46:28] But if we could test everybody, even asymptomatic people, what we'll find out is, Oh my God, 600 million people had coronavirus but only 18,000 died. Oh, wait a minute. The death rate, the mortality rate is less than 1% because we're not testing people who were exposed to it, probably contracted it, but don't get sick from it.

[00:46:51] We're not really seeing the real mortality rate. You know? It was like that study they did on testosterone. They took all these guys that had a [00:47:00] angiograms done. Why don't you do an angiogram on somebody? Cause they have a heart problem. They put him on testosterone and a bunch of them had second heart attacks.

[00:47:06] They blamed it on the testosterone. If you take a sick population and you give them vitamin C, a bunch of them are going to have heart attacks again and then you're going to go was the vitamin C. So let's look at, let's look at everybody. Let's test everybody for all I know. I could have coronavirus, but I'm not getting sick from it.

[00:47:22] Wouldn't you want to know that? And, but that would actually dilute the mortality rate. All of a sudden, their mortality rate will go from 1% down. Don't forget, NIH, the NIH, N N one a H one virus. How many millions? No. How many tens of thousands of people did that kill? Nobody cared about that. We still don't care about that better yet.

[00:47:44] Do you know Ronnie, how many people died of the seasonal flu from October of last year to the end of February? A lot more

[00:47:52] Ronnie Milo: [00:47:52] than the coronavirus

[00:47:53] Carl Lanore: [00:47:53] 12,000. 12,000 people died just from the regular old flu in the [00:48:00] past five months and like, Oh, so should we, we gotta close the gym for the flu shot. Wait a minute, maybe we should just live in plastic bags.

[00:48:07] People is stupid right now. I'm not saying that this Corona virus isn't killing people, and I'm not saying it doesn't have. A high mortality rate on old people like me. By the way, I'm in that age bracket where they say, it's going to kill me just for the record, but what I am saying is it's not as deadly as we think it is, and we completely ignore, ignore things that are way more deadly than the Corona virus, like a type two diabetes.

[00:48:33] Ronnie Milo: [00:48:33] Take your words right out of my mouth.

[00:48:34] Carl Lanore: [00:48:34] The number one killer of of people today is heart disease, and it's a byproduct of type two diabetes. Absolutely. But you don't see people cutting out the candy and the sugar and getting off their fat asses and working a little bit. No, no.

[00:48:47] Ronnie Milo: [00:48:47] Right. You know, you know what's interesting too, is I was in the gym this morning and cheer point.

[00:48:52] There was nobody in there, which is great. Um, and I go to, I go pretty meathead gym, you know, so even they're scared and they had a bottle of Lysol [00:49:00] wipes on the counter, and the guy was talking to me about, Oh, somebody brought these in and obviously to disinfect everything. And I turned the bottle over and I read the label.

[00:49:07] And it had the human Corona virus on it already. And I was like, there's no way that the, you know, the companies real quick produced more labels and added human coronavirus on there, so it had to be on there for years. We just never paid attention to it, which was scary. The guy was like, wow,

[00:49:24] Carl Lanore: [00:49:24] well, I knew that Corona virus has been around for a very long time, but it's always been just like a flu.

[00:49:28] That's all it's ever been. It didn't have this mortality rate that we have with this new, this variation. Coven, a covert 19 stands for Corona virus ID 19 this is like the 19th mutation of the Corona virus.

[00:49:42] Ronnie Milo: [00:49:42] Yeah, yeah. You know, people ask me, are you scared of this? And I'm like, listen, I was a fireman. I worked through Ebola, Zika, SARS.

[00:49:50] I didn't get any of that stuff, and I was directly exposed to those with our patients. You know what I mean? So I'm not worried about it at all. You know what I mean? Plus, our immune systems are pretty, pretty [00:50:00] good.

[00:50:00] Carl Lanore: [00:50:00] I think the more you expose and that the other thing, if you go to the gym and you sit in somebody else's sweat, you're, you're basically increasing the, uh, the vocabulary of your immune system to things that it wasn't ready for before.

[00:50:12] Ronnie Milo: [00:50:12] Right? Someone told me that on one barbell or one dumbbell in the gym is equivalent to as much as a bacteria has a toilet seat. And I just started laughing.

[00:50:20] Carl Lanore: [00:50:20] I heard toilet seat to actually clean the Penn, Penn and teller. Penn and teller used to do that show on HBO where they would fuck MIS. Yeah. And they, and they swapped the toilet seats in public restrooms and they, and there was like virtually no bacteria on them because remember what's hitting the toilet seat?

[00:50:36] The cheeks of your ass. You don't, you know, it's not the, it's not where the business is happening. It's the cheeks of your ass.

[00:50:44] Ronnie Milo: [00:50:44] When I did see those air dryers, they accumulate more bacteria and fecal matter than actually the toilet seat itself.

[00:50:51] Carl Lanore: [00:50:51] Sure. Because they condensed it. It's the same. So dr Oz once said on his show, if you're worried [00:51:00] about getting sick in the plane, aim  the air jet at your face.

[00:51:07] And I thought to myself, is he stupid? Because that's research  recirculated air. If anything, that air is being picked up in the bathroom where somebody taken a dump, the guy who sneezed it in the back and now and you're pointing all of that condensed air into your face. It's not coming from outside. It's not like you're opening the window.

[00:51:27] It's the same dirty, funky air that's all around you except it's compressed into a stream.

[00:51:34] Ronnie Milo: [00:51:34] Main line, right to your nose.

[00:51:35] Carl Lanore: [00:51:35] Yeah. Yeah. If you want to smell the fart that the lady made and and 23 B, just aim that at your face. It'll be here in a little while. That's all.

[00:51:44] Ronnie Milo: [00:51:44] You might not be her stinky though

[00:51:47] Carl Lanore: [00:51:47] anyway, but the bottom line of the show is stay healthy.

[00:51:51] Keep your hormones where they belong, and you will. Get better. Protect protection against stuff like this where you won't have to worry as much as all your [00:52:00] friends when they're going loony and why is everybody buying toilet paper? This isn't dysentery. It doesn't give you the craps, huh?

[00:52:06] Ronnie Milo: [00:52:06] Yeah. Water is going to get in a water system.

[00:52:08] Yeah, it's an airport,

[00:52:10] Carl Lanore: [00:52:10] but I mean, what do you, what do you need all that toilet paper for these people are they, it's like pneumonia. You lay in bed in you and you, and you have labored breathing. You don't, you're not pooping all the time.

[00:52:20] Ronnie Milo: [00:52:20] It reminds me of here in Florida. Once the news says hurricane, everybody goes to the store and they buy everything, even though they don't know it's going to hit you.

[00:52:28] They just go into mass hysteria and they buy all the water, all the toilet paper, all the meats. It's pretty funny. I'm just,

[00:52:35] Carl Lanore: [00:52:35] I'm worried about the human race right now. So the level of the lack of critical thinking in our population today is more scary than the coronavirus or anything else. Yeah. All right.

[00:52:46] Ronnie, have a great weekend, brother.

[00:52:50] Okay. And we'll see everybody Monday with more super human radio. Thank you for watching today and, uh, have a great and safe weekend. Go to the gym. Don't be afraid. [00:53:00] .