[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] Welcome back. This is Groundhog day. Ronnie's laughing right now. Those of you who started to watch our show at one o'clock and realize we had technical difficulties, we restarted the show and it is now one 30. Uh, today is April 23rd, 2020. It's the second. It's every other Thursday of the month. We have the renew life RX show.

[00:00:21] We have a great show plan today. Uh, the oversimplification of male and female hormones. And if your doctor is guilty of this run. Run, run, run. Before we get started, we have to thank our title, sponsor legendary foods for the generous, uh, amount of money that they pay to support this show. And in return, I like to.

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[00:01:41] This is in honor of the Covance 19, uh, debacle that we are now living through. Hopefully some of us are living in States where we're coming out of quarantine and being able to get back to fairly a normal life and a not here in Kentucky. Our mayor, our, [00:02:00] our governor is going to keep us locked up until sometime in mid may.

[00:02:04] I think that sucks for me cause I just bought a motorcycle and I can't ride it because DMV isn't open and I can't do what I have to do to register it or anything. But anyway. We have a Ronnie Milo going to join me now. I'm going to play his theme music here. The first step to changing your life starts with the renew life show with Adam Lamb.

[00:02:31] Hey, that's not Adam Lamb

[00:02:35] Ronnie Milo: [00:02:35] working up on him.

[00:02:37] Carl Lanore: [00:02:37] Look who's here live today. This is great. Bobby Cooper, my buddy. I actually was just going to email you. Because, um, I was debating whether buying a heritage classic or the V rod, and I know you're not a Harley guy, but I know you're a bike guy. And, uh, I ended up getting the heritage classic [00:03:00] because, uh, it's going to be easier for Elisa on the backseat of that thing.

[00:03:03] So there you go. Yeah, he's right. And the cop should be able to ticket you. I know. I can't start riding unless I have a motorcycle license, Bobby, that's the whole problem. Yeah, I bought the heritage classic, I bought the heritage classic. I'm going to buy the V rod later and that'll just be a one seater that'll be for me.

[00:03:22] But anyway, yeah, I actually was just going to email you the other day and tell you anyway, we have a great show plan today. And, uh, the oversimplification of male and female hormones and what would maybe think about doing this show today was the fact that, um, I was looking, reading some studies and I came across one.

[00:03:40] That actually said something that I've been saying on this show for a long time, and that is physicians who refer to testosterone as the male hormone and estrogen as the female hormone are so wrong, because the reality is that both [00:04:00] men and women have testosterone and estrogen, and just by virtue of that fact and applying critical thinking means that one is not a male hormone.

[00:04:08] And the other is not a female hormone. They are human hormones. And if you go to a doctor who still subscribes to this old world in uninformed thinking, you may want to choose a different doctor because you are going to find yourself not in a good place. I predict because this doctor is not going to treat you properly because of this archaic way of thinking.

[00:04:32] What do you think running.

[00:04:34] Ronnie Milo: [00:04:34] I mean, if that was the case, and when we did lab work, you know, testosterone wouldn't be on female panels and estrogen wouldn't be on male panels. Right. So obviously they are on the lab panels, testosterone and estrogen. Um, so w there, there definitely is a, uh, some similarities in the bowls.

[00:04:50] Uh, they're both very beneficial and human function, uh, especially in male and females. Uh, but yeah, we, we get it all the time. Uh, we get the, you know, the, the, the, the patient [00:05:00] goes to the physician. Does this. She puts him on some hormones and then we get them over to clinic and it's like, okay, well we've got to fix everything now.

[00:05:07] Carl Lanore: [00:05:07] So, so, so let, let, let's jump into one of the, and we'll get on. I'll post the links to both of these studies in today's show post. So those of you who want to read them, you can. Um, so let's talk about the correlation of male libido, a study that we, that we have here in front of us. So it's correlation of male libido with levels of serum reproductive hormones.

[00:05:29] The thing that I found. Most interesting and that I want to drill down on here for a second is, and I'm sure you've heard this, how many times have you heard a guy say, uh, nah, my testosterone levels are fine. I have a pretty good libido. And then you have to say to them, well, actually, testosterone is not the only driver of libido.

[00:05:49] This study shows that there is a greater relationship to the testosterone estrogen ratio. Then just testosterone by itself. So that means [00:06:00] estrogen is important to a male and a male libido, correct.

[00:06:03] Ronnie Milo: [00:06:03] Absolutely. SHBG too.

[00:06:05] Carl Lanore: [00:06:05] So talk about it. Talk about it. I mean, w when, when a guy comes in and says, I have no libido, you don't just give him testosterone.

[00:06:10] Right. No,

[00:06:12] Ronnie Milo: [00:06:12] I mean, we've got to do a full comprehensive lab panel to see what other, the, all the hormones are functioning right. Typically, we'll see if, say, if somebody comes in and they do have a, a, a symptom of low libido, uh, their testosterone could be normal and their estrogen could be crashed, right?

[00:06:27] For some reason in their system, their estrogen's low. Uh, possibly below 20. And then we'll go, okay, well that's the issue. I think that the, uh, the estrogens contributing into a fact that a elite libido's low. Um, uh, so, so therefore, you know, obviously we'll talk to the doctor about doing some kind of testosterone therapy.

[00:06:48] Uh, once we do that, about a four to six weeks after that testosterone administration, uh, their libido increases. But then also we redo labs. We show that there's an increase of estrogen as well.

[00:07:00] [00:06:59] Carl Lanore: [00:06:59] Interesting. And so what would you say? So theoretically a testosterone in the absence of estrogen, uh, the libido is gone.

[00:07:09] And we learned this from ADT ATD back in the day, a very powerful, aromatase inhibitor to a lot of us with taking that crushed estrogen. So far, we lost our libidos so wouldn't, wouldn't you agree with this statement that estrogen in fact, is the limiting factor in male libido?

[00:07:25] Ronnie Milo: [00:07:25] Yes. The it could be too high estrogen or too low.

[00:07:28] Estrogen could be effective. Also too, um, a couple of different things. If you have low testosterone and your estrogen is normal, there's a, there's an interrelation between low testosterone and dopamine levels. So that's, that's very important to understand as well, because a lot of our patients think that, Oh, once I get on testosterone therapy, then my libido will increase.

[00:07:51] But we also have to look at other different factors. Are they on dopamine agonists? Are they on SSRI NS, SNRI? Because if they [00:08:00] are, it still might not affect their, uh, increased their libido, even though we're increasing testosterone to keep an estrogen under normal control.

[00:08:08] Carl Lanore: [00:08:08] And, and so, so dig a little deeper into the role of, of a dopamine.

[00:08:13] And libido for a second. Right?

[00:08:15] Ronnie Milo: [00:08:15] So, yeah, so there's a bunch of different things that that correlate with, with libido, right? Testosterone obviously is important. Estrogen is important also SHBG but also dopamine plays a very crucial role in, in, uh, in libido, sex drive, sex motivation. Um, so basically what happens is if you do have low testosterone, it shows that you might have low dopamine levels.

[00:08:38] That's why it affects motivation, sex drive, and things of that nature. When we do see, uh, somebody doing hormone replacement therapy, uh, then they'll start to feel better, you know, mentally, uh, and then obviously physically. So therefore, there, there's no way for us to test the dopamine. Um, that's more of a, a saliva test.

[00:08:56] Um, but we don't test for it, but we also [00:09:00] try to connect the dots between, okay, testosterone is increased good, uh, estrogen  under control. Good. Sex drives up. Yeah. How do you feel, you know, motivation wise, uh, you know, um, uh, mentally and they're like, different feel great. So I think by fixing one thing, uh, fixes the other things.

[00:09:20] Carl Lanore: [00:09:20] So here's, here's an interesting piece of information. So recently I posted a couple videos on Facebook showing people how to compound their own intranasally delivered peptides. And I did it with PT one 41 a and w were great. So I thought about it, and I know that mulatto tan too is best delivered systemically through injection, if in fact what you want is a tan.

[00:09:49] But my theory was, what if I just wanted to increase dopamine production? We know that PT one 41 and Malano tend to have both melanocortin. Uh, uh, hormones [00:10:00] and mulatto court and hormones raised dopamine dramatically. That's why when you lay on the, in the, on the, in the be on the beach, in the sun, your libido goes up, your sense of wellbeing goes up.

[00:10:11] You know, just feel good because there's this elevation and, and sustained elevation of, uh, the production of dopamine. And so I made, I took a 10 milligram vile, uh, of a, of a millennial, tend to. And, uh, I added 20 milliliters of diluent. I use sodium chloride, uh, uh, uh, solution for intra-nasal because the sodium chloride is more nourishing to the, to the, to the, the mucosal membranes of the nose.

[00:10:46] And so that means that it puts out one 10th of a milliliter. So each pump is 50 micrograms of Milano, 10 to. And the first day I just do, did a pump in each nostril. [00:11:00] I felt that immediately. In fact, I've been off caffeine now for two months and in the morning what I do is I take two pumps in each nostril of the Alano ten two and it wakes me up and I feel good and my libido, which was starting to lag when I started to abuse caffeine for too long.

[00:11:21] It's back to normal now. Like I have a sec, a dramatic sex drive again, but more importantly, I'm starting to get darker, but it's not the same. When I inject mulatto 10 to Elisa tells me, I don't like when you inject mulatto 10 to my lips literally turn purple because I have so much melanin in my skin.

[00:11:43] I'm still dark to begin with. My lips turned purple and all the dark spots get black. My lips haven't turned purple, and I'm not getting the dark spots, but I'm getting tan. So I really have rethought this, and I really think for older guys, [00:12:00] intra-nasal Malano ten two is the way to go and it will increase your libido and your sense of wellbeing before it does anything else.

[00:12:08] It's great stuff. They're going to

[00:12:10] Ronnie Milo: [00:12:10] try that.

[00:12:11] Carl Lanore: [00:12:11] Yeah, I mean, and so I literally make a bottle of nasal peptide, nasal delivered peptides, and literally like it takes like 30 seconds. Once you do the math in your head, you know what you need reconstitute, put it in. And I buy those a metered pump bottles. I buy them about 20 at a time.

[00:12:29] They're not expensive and they're sterile. They're in eaches in a plastic bag, and I put the diluent in and I pull it up and I pump it in that bottle. I give it a twirl and pump it, and it's there it is. And I put, as matter of fact, I do the same thing with oxytocin. At bedtime, I take a 200 milligram, a micro grams of oxytocin, a hundred and this nostril a hundred this nozzle, I, and when I look at my deep sleep scores, they have improved so dramatically now that I use intra-nasal oxytocin at bedtime.

[00:12:56] Now

[00:12:56] Ronnie Milo: [00:12:56] when you do the, uh, intra-nasal uh, Malana tan too, do you [00:13:00] get the head flush and the nausea.

[00:13:01] Carl Lanore: [00:13:01] No, no nausea. Not even the PT one 41 no nausea, no head flush. That's the other thing that's great about it. I, I've totally, you know, I used to say to people, Malano Ted two is not appropriate for intra-nasal administration because you want to deliver it systemically, but I've rethought it.

[00:13:20] It's like you still get the systemic benefits gradually, but, and, and let's not forget this. Mulatto coin stimulating hormone, which mulatto tend to, is a synthetic version of that's a thousand times stronger than MSH is a profound anti-inflammatory agent. So there's a lot of people out there who suffer from depression that is the result of neuroinflammation.

[00:13:50] There's a, there's a type of depression that's a result of neuroinflammation, and I. Can honestly say that the, this season was depressing me, [00:14:00] the the weather than the fact that we will lock down and since I've been using the mulatto ten two intranasally, I just feel like it's all good. Everything I, I'm telling you, I'm not, I'm not making this up.

[00:14:11] It's just been an observation. I won't stop using it. I don't think I'll ever stop using it because first of all, I love being tan. You know, I got that 14% African in me. So I liked that dark skin. But on top of that, I feel good. My libido was back to normal again, and I feel sharp and I'm off caffeine.

[00:14:28] Ronnie Milo: [00:14:28] Yeah, I mean, if you look at caffeine, it stimulates dopamine. So you're kind of doing the same thing with the, uh, with the millennial Tansu.

[00:14:35] Carl Lanore: [00:14:35] But see, the problem with caffeine is, and we're going to have dr Suzanne Turner on the show. I've done some deep digging and caffeine and coffee. I really think it's the root of a lot of problems in people's lives today.

[00:14:46] Caffeine increases C reactive protein and coffee increases it to a greater degree because coffee not only increases C reactive protein because of the caffeine component, but it reduces the metabolism of C [00:15:00] reactive protein in the liver by blocking receptors that are there to take C-reactive protein out of the blood.

[00:15:06] So it raises C reactive protein even to a greater degree. Yes. It definitely would work for women too, Bobby. Absolutely. In fact, I, I'm making a bottle for my buddy Joey, who lives upstate. Because he's my age and his, his wife is my age and they live up there. Literally, they live off the grid and, and you know, he, he, he tells me all the time that, you know, I just doesn't have it anymore, the energy, and I'm just going to send them a bottle of and say, well, I'm not going to tell them what it is because he's, he's not the kind of guy who understands all the signs.

[00:15:36] I'm going to say, Joe, just take two pumps of this and your nose every morning. Give it a week and tell me how you feel.

[00:15:44] Yeah. You know what they used to call me when I was a kid. Dr Carl, but do you know why? Because when you stole something out of your mother or father's medicine cabinet, I told you whether or not it would make you high and make you sick. I knew, I knew all the [00:16:00] drugs were back then. Let's see, Jeff Clifton sense, since we're doomed to suffer lowering of dopamine or at least receptor activity and test as we age, which of these is more important to address first?

[00:16:12] I think testosterone personally.

[00:16:13] Ronnie Milo: [00:16:13] Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I agree with you.

[00:16:16] Carl Lanore: [00:16:16] I think so. Um, because, because, because the testosterone is going to, is going to, uh, raise dopamine on its own. It really is. And so I would go for that. Sean Bean posts, C. I. R. S. do you know what that means? I have no idea what he's talking about.

[00:16:33] John's a pretty brilliant guy. Sean, can you tell me what CIO's, okay. I wonder if this is it. He says, if you have the sip one . This impact caffeine Mya tab. Yeah. No, I don't. I am actually a good metabolizer of caffeine according to my 23 and me. So I'm not that guy, but I think there's other problems with caffeine.

[00:16:57] What is CIRS? Is that what you're talking about? Uh, [00:17:00] Sean, about the, uh, is that the same thing as the, uh, CYP one B one Bobby Cooper says I will be in touch later. Of course, man, absolutely. I see that doctor. Yeah. So anyway, let's get back to the discussion at hand and please keep the comments coming. I love it.

[00:17:19] So. Once again, the notion that estrogen is unimportant in men is completely, and I'll tell you why. The libido is the most important because from an evolutionary perspective, there's only one thing you have to do on this planet as a man. And that is to have, make babies everything. Yeah. Everything else is like optional, right?

[00:17:40] You don't even need legs to make babies. You don't need arms to make babies. In fact, they call it reproductive fitness as a type of form of health that your body literally. Holds itself together during the reproductive years for one goal. And that is to make babies. And so anything that makes your libido go away [00:18:00] is telling you you're on the end of your life.

[00:18:04] We don't need you anymore. And so going back and recapping what we just talked about, the fact that. Astrogen is the, is the limiting factor in libido and men tells us that estrogen is probably more important than most doctors think it is in men. And if a doctor tells you, well, estrogen is the female hormone runaway from that doctor.

[00:18:27] Of course, it's not the female hormone. It's just as important to men. Yeah. And a

[00:18:31] Ronnie Milo: [00:18:31] lot of doctors are still stuck in the dark ages we call it, you know what I mean? We have a lot of issues with, uh, so you have to complete a physical and be medically cleared by a physician to start our program. And they have to go to either, you know, their primary care physician or a walk in clinic anywhere.

[00:18:47] There's a physician on staff. As soon as they go in and bring the physical form with them, they'll call me back in 10 minutes later saying, the physician will not sign it because it's hormone replacement. So I said, well, I understand that we still get a completed. Um, [00:19:00] you know, a lot of physicians will call me on the phone and ask, what do we do?

[00:19:04] Why are we doing this? What do we need a physical form? You know, hormone replacement is this hormone replacement, is that, and we're like, well, we're not going to argue with you. Uh, obviously you're a physician, but at the end of the day, we still need that physical form completed. So I've had people go to four or five different clinics to get the physical phone completed because a lot of the physicians will still not sign it because of hormone replacement.

[00:19:23] Carl Lanore: [00:19:23] So they would, they would happily give this person a physical, but as soon as they find out it's for hormone replacement therapy, they stop. Yes. This is what's wrong with doctors today. I'll give you another example of something similar. I have someone who reached out to me who is 17 years old and and is five, I don't know, six or five, seven.

[00:19:44] And his father is short and he wants to know if he's a good candidate for growth hormone, for idiopathic short stature. And so I said, you know, you've got to go to your doctor and ask your doctor. Well, he went to his pediatric, a pediatrician [00:20:00] and  keep in mind he was, all he was asking for was a referral to a pediatric endocrinologist.

[00:20:07] I said, you have to see a pediatric endocrinologist. They're the only ones that can do this. That and that, that and that should do this. Do you know, he went to his pediatrician twice to ask for a referral to pediatric endocrinologist and his physician turned him down when he found out that what he wants is growth hormone to see if he can continue to, if he can grow.

[00:20:30] He did. The window closes at 17 at the end, after 17 they say that's it. Growth plates are closed and a lot of sort of stuff. He won't even give him the referral to see another doctor.

[00:20:41] Ronnie Milo: [00:20:41] Yeah, because they want to control your health. That's what they're doing.

[00:20:45] Carl Lanore: [00:20:45] So scary.

[00:20:46] Ronnie Milo: [00:20:46] Oh yeah. All the time. We get a lot of people too.

[00:20:49] They'll, they'll go to their primary care physician, they'll have symptoms of low testosterone. They'll ask the doctor to test, to test the test. The testosterone doctor say, no, we're not going to test that. We'll do the liver [00:21:00] panel. We'll do the cholesterol panel. We'll do all that, but they won't do the testosterone.

[00:21:03] Or what will happen is they'll get blood work done through their physician for testosterone. And it comes back, you know, three 52

[00:21:11] Carl Lanore: [00:21:11] 50 and the doctor's like, yeah,

[00:21:12] Ronnie Milo: [00:21:12] you're a normal range, you're fine. And the guy's like, or the patients, like, I'm sitting in front of you, it's on you to have symptoms of low testosterone.

[00:21:18] You're telling me I'm fine because you're looking at lab values. And that's the, that's very disheartening too, because a lot of these physicians treat numbers. We don't treat numbers, we treat symptoms. You start treating numbers. We start losing the big picture of what's going on with the person. If we start treating symptoms, we have more success rate with that, and then it will translate to numbers.

[00:21:36] So the, the physicians these days aren't, some are good, some are great, some are terrible. But at the end of the day, they're treating numbers right? And that's where we missed the big picture.

[00:21:46] Carl Lanore: [00:21:46] So, um, Bobby Cooper says, if you've ever overdone, I've been on a cycle and overdone an anti-estrogen, you know, how important estrogen is, especially to joints in libido.

[00:21:56] And then Sean Bean, uh, commented something, and this is [00:22:00] true. So mulatto Cohen's stimulating hormone may also decrease aromatase. By decreasing inflammatory responses. AK into Lewis, Luke, and six. More importantly, they precursor. If you look at these cytochrome people have 50 enzyme cascade, they pro or precursor to aromatase is cycle oxygenase.

[00:22:24] So theoretically, anything that reduces inflammation will then reduce cycle oxygenase. And if you reduce cycle oxygen ACE, there is less building blocks to make aromatase. So he's absolutely spot on here. Um, not only  stimulating hormone, but anything, even N CEDS have been shown to reduce aromatase production again, because they reduce cycle oxygenase.

[00:22:53] Um, we have questions and comments that we're going to hold till we come back from the break. Is there anything else you want to talk about? [00:23:00] Anything else that you found fascinating about the correlation between libido and Shiram reproductive hormones? You asked him what are we going to break? No, I'm asking you.

[00:23:10] I'm asking you

[00:23:11] Ronnie Milo: [00:23:11] nothing

[00:23:11] Carl Lanore: [00:23:11] right now. But I mean, I think the most amazing thing was the estrogen, right? That the libido and . Sorry about that. I hit my mic. I were going to take a quick commercial break. We'll be right back with more. Stay tuned.

[00:23:28] This is the superhuman channel evolution. Just got kicked up a notch.

[00:23:36] Welcome back. We have a lot of audience activity going on here. I guess you could see it on your side too, right? So the funny thing is, I have said this for years, I have the smartest audience. Of any podcast out there and like the stuff that's being contributed on, on the comment section here, is this as valuable as the stuff we're talking about on today's show?

[00:23:58] We're going to get to all of it in a second. [00:24:00] The other study that we, we, uh, we're looking at today, the impact of estrogen in males and androgens and females basically says that they needed to do a study to, to validate the things that we're saying right now. And that the simple over simplification of saying that estrogen is a female hormone and testosterone is a male hormone is completely archaic and incorrect.

[00:24:24] And you know, Elisa went to, uh, a nurse practitioner one time, cause the Lisa's on HRT and she went there for some, some reason and the, she had to fill out a form and she had to tell the nurse practitioner what hormones she was on. And the nurse practitioner actually said this to her, and this just goes to show you the level of misinformation out there in modern medicine.

[00:24:51] She said, you don't want to take testosterone. Testosterone is a male hormone. You'll be humping the door knobs if you take testosterone. [00:25:00] Now, could you imagine a medical practitioner saying something like that? Right.

[00:25:04] Ronnie Milo: [00:25:04] Yeah. I mean, I've seen it. It's hurt. It hurt at all. You know what I mean? So I think it's pretty funny.

[00:25:11] Um,

[00:25:13] Carl Lanore: [00:25:13] so let's see here. We have some really good, uh, I want to get to a question. This is a, this is one of critical thinking. Jeff Clifton says, how is Synthroid or for that matter, any, uh, thyroid replacement any different ethically than testosterone replacing what you're missing. Why did doctors, why do you think doctors draw the line when we start talking about hormones like testosterone,

[00:25:35] Ronnie Milo: [00:25:35] they don't understand it.

[00:25:37] They haven't been taught in med school about it,

[00:25:39] Carl Lanore: [00:25:39] but don't you think it's also they've been propagandized by the pharmaceutical industry to believe that testosterone is harmful? I mean, there are doctors who think taking melatonin is dangerous because it's hormone right?

[00:25:52] Ronnie Milo: [00:25:52] So, yeah, I have a lot of physicians that I work with as patients, right.

[00:25:56] And uh, you know, they'll come to me and I'll talk to them and I'm like, you're an MD, why are [00:26:00] you coming to me? And he goes, no, they're honest to go. We don't any, we don't know anything about hormones, hormone replacement. We're going to stay in our lane, we're going to practice our medicine, but we don't know any of this stuff.

[00:26:09] That's why we come to you guys. And I'm like, okay, I appreciate that. You know what I mean? I respect your honesty. And then some physicians just think that, you know, you talk about testosterone and then then you're going to drop that, have a heart attack tomorrow. You know what I mean? So, um, it's one of those things that a lot of these physicians don't want to do the due diligence to study it, to look at it, to read the studies that are out there.

[00:26:30] Uh, so I think that, you know, you don't know anything. You're going to talk bad about it. Right. You know, I remember growing up as a kid, you don't know anything about this and want to talk bad about it, all that stupid or that's ridiculous. I think that's kinda fallen in the same category. There

[00:26:42] Carl Lanore: [00:26:42] is, I mean, cognitive dissonance.

[00:26:44] Ronnie Milo: [00:26:44] Yeah, I mean, if they would open up their eyes and understand and look and, uh, and, and see the studies that are out there, they would be, they would be a little bit more receptive. But I think there's still still, uh, still on the fence about, uh, you know, the, the repercussions of the, of hormone replacement.

[00:27:00] [00:27:00] Carl Lanore: [00:27:00] Well, I'm, the repercussions of hormone replacement have been greatly, uh, overstated. And, and you know, when, when we look at women and the, uh, women's initiative, uh, that the hormone replacement. Study that came out that scared women off of estrogen. It was, it was horrible because the information that came from that study, first of all, was only using, uh, estrogens and progestins from animals, horses, number one.

[00:27:29] Like if you told, if you told a woman before you prescribed, they said, well, we're going to give you a, uh, we're going to give you a prem Prempro. This is from horses. So a woman would say what? Yeah, yeah. We isolated from horse urine, and then of course we sterilize it and then we put it in this pill so you can take it.

[00:27:48] Oh, by the way, we methylated because otherwise your liver would work to get it out. So we jam up your liver. You know that metal prednisone you only allowed to take for. [00:28:00] Three to six weeks because it's bad for your liver. It's methylated too bad that you're only allowed to take for three to six weeks, but we're going to put you on this for the next 10 years.

[00:28:09] Like if, if, if, if doctors spoke honestly about their prescriptions, people would opt out. They would like, I don't want that. I don't want equine estrogen. I don't want equine progesterone that's isolated from horse piss. Don't you have anything else, doc? No. That's the standard of care.

[00:28:30] Ronnie Milo: [00:28:30] Right. But it's also, it's a, it's a two sided thing.

[00:28:33] So is when the doctor prescribes the medication, you know, these people don't go and do the due diligence and understand it and look it up. Right. And do the research. They're just, they think that the doctor recommends it. That's the Holy grail. They're going to go ahead and take it regardless. Right.

[00:28:47] That's why we, we have a lot of, you know, our, our clientele's is educated. They'll ask us a lot of different questions about the hormones. You know what I mean? Bioidenticals, you know, what are the biodentical what does this do? What does that do? Where does it come [00:29:00] from? And I encourage the questions because it's something that you're going to put in your body, so you need to know everything about it.

[00:29:06] Um, so I think there's a disconnect between the physicians and the patients sometimes that the patients just don't understand what they're doing. Right? I go to a doctor, um, and you know, I get diagnosed with something or, or

[00:29:17] Carl Lanore: [00:29:17] whatever the case may

[00:29:18] Ronnie Milo: [00:29:18] be, and they prescribed me medication. I'm going to say thank you.

[00:29:20] I'm going to go home and I'm gonna look it up and I'm gonna look it up and do my due diligence on it before I even make a commitment. And I'll tell you firsthand, um, and I haven't told a lot of people this is, I've diagnosed with PTSD. There was a fireman for 20 years. I went to a psychologist and she wanted to put me on an SSRI and I said.

[00:29:36] Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm going to go home and look it up. I looked it up and I called her back and I said, well, thank you for, uh, for, for helping me out. Um, I'm going to decline the medication. And she's like, I think you're crazy. I said, well, thank you.

[00:29:46] Carl Lanore: [00:29:46] I appreciate that. I would have said too, is that a diagnosis or just your opinion?

[00:29:53] Ronnie Milo: [00:29:53] She's like, no, you better rethink this. And I said, well, what's going to happen? She says, you should get worse. And I was like, okay. Thank you. That's challenging me. Now I'm [00:30:00] going to go fix it with natural, you know, supplements and things of that

[00:30:03] Carl Lanore: [00:30:03] nature. What did you do to correct? Right. That's an interesting story.

[00:30:07] Ronnie Milo: [00:30:07] Yeah. So I use, I use nootropics. I use supplements, you know, and a view to , uh, interracial town, fennel, pirates, piracy town. I use all these things to help me, uh, you know, not, not feel like, uh, you know, the world's gonna end tomorrow. You know what I mean? So

[00:30:22] Carl Lanore: [00:30:22] how long did you have to take them and do you still take that, that blend to, to, to keep you straight.

[00:30:28] Ronnie Milo: [00:30:28] I take it every day. I take it multiple times a day to when it kind of keeps me even keel. Um, and, uh, you know, I tell a lot of my patients the same thing, you know, cause they asked me questions as well, and I'm like, this is what I take. And they're like, Oh, interesting. And they take it and then they call me back and they're like, well, I know what you're talking about.

[00:30:42] Carl Lanore: [00:30:42] Feels good. Yeah.

[00:30:44] Ronnie Milo: [00:30:44] Yeah. It feels good.

[00:30:45] Carl Lanore: [00:30:45] Yeah. Um, that's interesting. Uh, Sean Bean says that they no longer recommend, uh, uh, aromatase inhibitors, uh, since the. It could cause alterations in brain chemistry. Your true, yeah. Despite having normal [00:31:00] estradiol levels, they suggest de Oxil, D, H, E. a. I'm not familiar with that form of DHA or you

[00:31:07] Ronnie Milo: [00:31:07] never heard of it.

[00:31:10] Carl Lanore: [00:31:10] Ivo SU, who's become a friend of mine through the show, um, he said the levels of interleukin six predict respiratory failure and hospitalized symptoms of covert 19 patients. I, I, you know, I don't know. I so covert 19 patients, their ferritin. Okay. So first of all, there's a study out there that shows that ferritin is actually a marker of inflammation and not a marker of iron load that was just published last month.

[00:31:40] Ron Penna sent that to me. It's a great study in obese individuals, um, there. So covert 19, uh, suffers. All their inflammatory markers go through the roof. Their ferritin's is like up at 18,000. So when you look at coven, 19 suffers. [00:32:00] They are on fire from an inflammatory standpoint. Their entire bodies are on fire.

[00:32:05] In fact, they end the lungs, uh, undergo a great rapid fibrotic process. Their lungs actually become like, um, crackly, like no longer pliable, like a balloon, you know? And, and that's why there's some evidence that the respirator that keeps them alive destroys their lungs for the rest of their lives. Because you imagine having a balloon and you paint it with shellac, and you let the shellacked GY and now you try to inflate it.

[00:32:41] And all that shall act is crackles right? Yup. So they're saying that the lungs undergo a rapid onset of fibrosis and then forcing their lungs to expand and contract like that just destroys the lung. So even when they recover, they're ruined for life. So this, this, this Copa [00:33:00] 19 thing is very interesting.

[00:33:02] What is most interesting to me is it's dependent on senescent cells for replication. And this is something the mainstream media hasn't discussed at all. In fact, I've been a vocal opponent of hydroxy chloroquine because all of the Wu Han, early Wu Han, uh, patients that were treated with antivirals went home and re recontract at covert 19, which means that the antiviral stops the immune system from developing the ability to fight this.

[00:33:37] And so you don't develop any immunity to it. The antivirals. Actually derail that process. I think if I was, if I were to catch it, I would just take a Z pack, a not just for the five days, but for 10 days, and we did the shows on that with dr LA Santi. Z pack has been approved by the FDA to eliminate 90% [00:34:00] of the senescent cells in your body and five days it's better than rapid myosin.

[00:34:03] In fact. I will be taking one Z-Pak once a quarter for its anti-aging potential, but I would just eradicate all the senescent cells in your body, and then the, then the virus has no place to replicate anymore.

[00:34:16] Ronnie Milo: [00:34:16] Would you use L L three seven and a replacement of that?

[00:34:19] Carl Lanore: [00:34:19] Of the Z-Pak? No. No, I wouldn't. No, no, I wouldn't.

[00:34:24] You know, people don't have O Z packets a body. It's a very weak antibiotic. In fact, most doctors don't understand how the Z pack works because it is such a weak antibiotic. Matt, Andrew told me that he has seen complete reductions in inflammatory disorders from a Z pack greater than using corticosteroids.

[00:34:48] Now, that's not that. You wouldn't expect that from an antibiotic. No, there is a zip. The myosin is a mystical molecule that we have yet to figure out why it does some of the things that it does. But [00:35:00] that's that. That would be my go to. I would just take a Z-Pak to get rid of, um, my, my covert 19 and that's all I would take.

[00:35:09] Right. Um, boy, we have so many good questions here. . This call mentioned, it's all about regulating pro inflammatory cascade. Most people have S elevated SHBG, you know, um, SHBG may not be a bad thing to have elevated anymore. Well.

[00:35:32] Ronnie Milo: [00:35:32] Yeah. It all depends on what the patient's experiencing symptom wise. Right?

[00:35:36] Cause like going back to what we said earlier, you can't be chasing numbers. You gotta be chasing symptoms. Right? So somebody could come back and have elevated, elevated SHBG and they have no symptoms contributed to that. Won't

[00:35:47] Carl Lanore: [00:35:47] touch it. Well, but let's, let's talk about a show that we did last year.

[00:35:52] There's a protein called Megalodon that when combined with SHBG is how. These hormones get [00:36:00] into the cells, into the tissue we have, we may have misunderstood SHBG for a long time. Everybody thinks SHBG, um, disables by binding up hormones. In fact, it may actually be a chaperone that shuttles hormones into a tissue.

[00:36:22] And there's other doctors who feel this way. They didn't, there's a lot of emerging research there. The story on SHBG is just changing now.

[00:36:31] Ronnie Milo: [00:36:31] Yeah, I think we've covered that show. I think, you know, testosterone has to bind to SHBG. That has to bind to Megalodon and that gets drawn into the cell for transcription.

[00:36:39] Carl Lanore: [00:36:39] Um, thoughts on fenna Butte? FEDA Butte is not supposed to be good for you taking longterm. What are you thoughts on that?

[00:36:46] Ronnie Milo: [00:36:46] I've been taking it for three years now, and I have no

[00:36:48] Carl Lanore: [00:36:48] issues. Can you go without it?

[00:36:51] Ronnie Milo: [00:36:51] Uh, I sometimes on the weekends I'll go without it. I don't have any Rob repercussions or don't have any side effects or withdrawals from it, but I take a look.

[00:36:58] Those 250, Mike, [00:37:00] 250 milligrams, uh, twice a day.

[00:37:02] Carl Lanore: [00:37:02] Yeah. That's not high at all. And in fact, I think that those who use phenobarb for sleep don't, don't get any kind of dependency on it.

[00:37:09] Ronnie Milo: [00:37:09] Right? Yeah, it's very, very low dosage and I've, I've come off of it a couple of times and I don't have any withdrawals or anything in agitation or nothing like that, and no sleep and consistency, so I didn't have any withdrawals.

[00:37:21] Carl Lanore: [00:37:21] We also see

[00:37:25] elevated Callow protected in a positive stool sample from G maps, covert 19 what is. Callow protected. I don't know what that is. Sean. Maybe you can educate us here. I'll, we'll wait for you to do that. Um, you know, everybody says that, uh, Cray Tom is addictive. I use it here and there. I'll go without it for weeks and then I'll use it for five days in a row and have no problem not using it anymore.

[00:37:54] What I do notice is, since I've been off coffee, some of my symptoms are [00:38:00] a flare up when I use. Cray Tom and Cray Tom is in the same family as the coffee tree, so there might be something in Cray Tommen and coffee. That is what I can't deal with. Maybe a protein. Yeah. It

[00:38:15] Ronnie Milo: [00:38:15] could be. It could be. Well, I saw some, well, I do it too.

[00:38:18] I take a crayon before I train with caffeine. Um, obviously it gives you that effect that, uh, you, you could be, you don't feel as much pain when you're draining. Right. It's kind of like one of those old school tricks, uh, when they used, um, what's the, uh, medical new Bain before for, they're trained. Uh, so we figured out, Hey, let's use Kratom.

[00:38:38] Same kind of effect, but it's not gonna, you know, it's not, uh, it's not gonna addictive and everything like that. So I use the caffeine and Kratom together, and it's actually a good nootropic.

[00:38:48] Carl Lanore: [00:38:48] You know, I like Kratom. Um, I like the way it makes me feel. I don't feel that it's addictive. I, I don't, I don't have to use it.

[00:38:54] It's not like I wake up in the morning and think, Oh, I gotta use it. I'm Jones in Fort Mark. Bell has a great [00:39:00] product called mind bullet. Have you tried it yet?

[00:39:03] Ronnie Milo: [00:39:03] No, actually a buddy of mine has tried it. He said it's pretty good.

[00:39:05] Carl Lanore: [00:39:05] It's not only very good, but we have a coupon code. Chris bell, if use his brother's name, Chris bell, you'll save like a 20% off or 25% off your orders.

[00:39:15] It's a substantial discount. If you go to mind bullet.com but the other thing that he has is he has these, he has these little bottles of mind bullet potion, and it's, it's a. It's a whole spectrum Cray Tom, and it's eight grams in a bottle and like I'll only take a sip. Maybe it's the equivalent of one and a half grams, and it just makes me feel good.

[00:39:41] I just feel good. I don't feel high. I don't feel dizzy, I don't feel nauseous. But these little bottles are very, very cool. He sent me a bunch of them and every now and then if I, if I don't feel with it, I'll just take a little. Little taste of it, literally like a taste of it and hold it on the my tongue and I feel it within a couple minutes.

[00:39:58] It hit you real fast. But yeah, [00:40:00] mind bullet.com and use his brother's name as the coupon code. Uh, Chris bell. No, that's good stuff. So in summary, we've talked a lot about the fact that really there is no such thing as male and female hormones. And if a doctor is still stuck in that thought process, that there are hormones that men should have and hormones that women should have.

[00:40:25] Um, he's probably not a good candidate to treat any patients because he's, this is misinformation right?

[00:40:33] Ronnie Milo: [00:40:33] Well, I know, I know. We talk about, you know, the males and testosterone, and, uh, we talked about this earlier, is, uh, we have pretty much more female patients at the clinics and male, and we have a higher success rate treating them with a low milligram testosterone, uh, over the males.

[00:40:49] Males are a little bit difficult, right? There's a lot of other things going on, uh, in, with the, uh, with the sex hormones. Females, you know, obviously we'll, we'll treat them with low dose testosterone is a cream [00:41:00] and we have a higher success rate treating them. We have a higher success rate with a body composition, libido, motivation, sleep quality, all these different things.

[00:41:08] So, um, yeah, it's not just a male hormone. You know, we use, we don't use estrogen. The doctor doesn't use estrogen, progesterone, none of that stuff pregnant alone. We just use low doses, testosterone as a cream. And, uh, like I said, we have higher success rate with the females, uh, on, on that

[00:41:24] Carl Lanore: [00:41:24] cream, you know. So Sean being a explained what Callo protecting is, he said it's an inflammatory marker shown in the bowel, common with Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, et cetera.

[00:41:37] You know, this is, this is interesting, Sean, because I suspect that this virus is actually. Activating an inappropriate immune response as its first as its intrinsic action and the destruction of the lungs and all that sorta stuff. That's [00:42:00] extrinsic. Uh, because the more I think about this virus, it turns, it literally sets the body on fire with every type of inflammatory marker that we know to check.

[00:42:11] Like, here's another one. Calprotectin right. So, you know, we know that the immune system uses inflammation as its army to eradicate problems. So anything that causes widespread inflammation or inflammatory response is acting on the immune system. It's, for some reason, it's calling all the forces of the army out, and we know that the immune system resides where in the gut.

[00:42:39] I have a funny feeling. That the thing to do for this virus is look at what it's doing in the gut that's triggering this hyper immune response from every single, uh, that we see every immune marker. Ferritin, you know, every, everything, uh, interleukins, we see all these [00:43:00] immune markers go through the roof.

[00:43:03] It tells me that this virus does something to the immune system. That means that this virus is doing something to the gut.

[00:43:10] Ronnie Milo: [00:43:10] Yeah,

[00:43:12] Carl Lanore: [00:43:12] I mean, if you don't seeing even calprotectin, which is seen in, in Crohn's disease and bowel problems like ulcerative colitis, I mean, it's not like a food that you ate that's triggering it.

[00:43:23] This virus literally lights up the immune system and says, come on out and let's fight. Right?

[00:43:30] Ronnie Milo: [00:43:30] I mean, typically too, when you see somebody with a all sort of carotid colitis and, uh, uh, you know, CBO and stuff, they already have a compromised immune system. So, you know, obviously overtaking it and attacking it because he was just, it was already compromised,

[00:43:43] Carl Lanore: [00:43:43] which is going to be the subject matter of my, uh, my rant at the end of today's show.

[00:43:47] And you're welcome to stay for it if you want to. Um, if you have time, I know you have patients to see. Um, but what we're going to do, if you're going to stay with me, then we're going to take a quick commercial break. And when we come back, I got a bone to pick with a couple of [00:44:00] doctors and I'll mention their names and, and in the next segment.

[00:44:03] So stay tuned. We'll be right back with more Miller radio. This is the superhuman channel where we use oxygen for the power of good.

[00:44:17] Welcome back.

[00:44:22] Okay. I've been collecting my thoughts. So this morning, this morning, um. I was sitting in our kitchen and Elisa was reading some news from the internet and she started to read this article quoting dr Robert Lustig. He's a very popular doctor today. He's a pediatric endocrinologist, but he takes very strong positions about nutrition, and he points out that those of us in this audience already know this.

[00:44:57] That the people most vulnerable to dying from covert [00:45:00] 19 are the unhealthiest people, obesity, high blood pressure, um, kidney problems, you know, heart problems. All, all of these are downstream effects of metabolic disorder. Right. You know, we always say, Oh, heart disease kills more people than AVL to them.

[00:45:20] Or no. Type two diabetes and insulin resistance kills more because it's the reason people have heart disease. It's the reason people have high blood pressure. It's the reason people have nonalcoholic fatty liver disease. It goes on and on. We would have to take the top 10 things that kill people every year, and we could draw a line back to metabolic disorder, insulin resistance, and obesity.

[00:45:44] So we'll, we'll, we're lying. When we say heart disease kills more people, it's, it's, it's diet related. It's, it's choice related. So these disorders that, thus, that means you have to acquire these [00:46:00] disorders. You have to acquire these disorders by eating way too much, moving way too little, staying up all night to watch Jimmy Kimmel and your favorite shows at night.

[00:46:13] You know? Then you have to wake up at 3:00 AM and have something to eat because you can't get back to sleep. And then you get up in the morning and you start all over again. You pound down coffee to get through the day. You're having cocktails with dinner because you think alcohol is good for you. Some of you even stupid enough to smoke cigarettes, and I'm sorry if that insults some of you, but you have to be stupid to smoke cigarettes today.

[00:46:34] Okay. So Lustig is, given his opinion, he's going after the food industry for normalizing. Bad food. He's going after the process. Food industry. This is such a huge mistake, and I'm sure he's well-meaning, but he's not only going to miss the Mark, but he's going to perpetuate the problem longer. Let's go back to 10 years ago [00:47:00] when the thrifty gene was all the reason that everybody was fat.

[00:47:04] Oh, it's not your fault. It's your genetics. That wasn't true because there's lots of people with thrifty genes that that don't get fat. Now we're going to stop blaming the food industry. We are constantly trying to, and I used to be 330 pounds, so I can say these things, so anybody wants to give me crap about it.

[00:47:26] Come on. We're constantly trying to find ways to mitigate the guilt of fat, lazy people. Too. They can blame their fatness on something other than the fact that it is their effing fault. And when you tell me, Oh, it's genetics, or, uh, you know, it's this or that, all I have to do is point to any prisoner of war camp and you won't see any fat people there.

[00:47:59] You know why? [00:48:00] Because they're not eating any food. You know, you, you go to a prisoner of war camp and, and you go, uh, or everybody is emaciated and then there's this one fat guy, right? Hey. Yeah. I don't know Joe. He, they don't feed him, but he seems not to lose any weight. No, that doesn't happen. Joe is skinny too, so.

[00:48:19] It's what you put in your mouth. And the fact that the fact that you sit on your ass all day long and you don't want to feel uncomfortable by going to a gym and exercising, that you are fat. And thus you are the greatest risk right now for dying at covert 19 now the rest of us have to stay home and navigate our lives because you can't go out.

[00:48:42] You know, just like we have to pay higher insurance because you have to go to the doctor three times a week. I mean, I go get blood work done once a year. That's my big, that's my big splurge on, on a, you know, unless I'm tearing a muscle training or something like that, which doesn't happen all the time.

[00:48:58] The reality is that [00:49:00] it's time. For big, fat, lazy people to take ownership for their big fat, lazy lifestyles and stop pushing it off on the rest of us. And guys like dr Lustig aren't gonna make it any easier for them to come to grips with the fact that they must take responsibility for why they all where they are in their lives right now.

[00:49:22] When lust, it comes out and says, Oh, it's the junk food industry. The junk food industry advertises to me too. They advertise to you too. It's not the junk food industry. It's people not taking responsibility for themselves. I take responsibility for my health and believe me, I have my challenges, but I take responsibility for figuring them out and fixing them.

[00:49:47] So

[00:49:48] Ronnie Milo: [00:49:48] you're accountable. That's why you're accountable for your actions. A lot of people aren't accountable when they don't become accountable. They point fingers at everybody else because it's not their fault.

[00:49:55] Carl Lanore: [00:49:55] Yeah. Lustig is, you know, dr Lustig, you probably mean well, or maybe you don't. [00:50:00] I don't know. I don't know if you're just stupid or you're, or you're, you're, you're, you, you, you just want to pander.

[00:50:05] Because I, you know, I always said to Elisa, I could be much more successful if I would come out with a book that would tell people they're fat and it's not their fault. Was every fat people person wants that. They want confirmation bias. I ha, I know a friend who is fat and, uh, and, and he wants told me that, uh, something about a guy who knows that went to the gym all the time, just died.

[00:50:31] And he, and he told me, yeah, I see. I, I knew going through the gym was not a good idea. I mean, you know,  these, these lame, lame comments and, excuse me, and I'm going to tell you something else in a time. Where we are desperately in need of patriotism to bring this country back together. One of the things that always brought this country together was a common foe.

[00:50:54] The Nazi Germans, the Japanese, this country forgot about its differences and they [00:51:00] unified into a gelatinous group of Patriots who had one mission. And I'm going to tell you right now at a time that we need patriotism more than anything else. We have people in this audience that have served in the military.

[00:51:13] I know Bobby Cooper has served thank you for your service, but we need patriotism and you want to know what the greatest representative of patriotism could be for some Americans today, lose a hundred friggin pounds, be a Patriot. Take the burden. Of your bad choices off of your fellow Americans who are paying way more than they have to and healthcare because you refuse to take responsibility for your life or better yet so that your children don't have to wipe your ass when you stroke out some day.

[00:51:47] I mean, I, I'm just so frustrated with it. I, I saw this, I saw this article. It's wanting, I literally, I want it to run my head into a wall. I'm thinking this guy has a chance to make a statement, to actually help people and [00:52:00] say it's time to take responsibility. If you're big and fat, it's your fault. It's not your genes.

[00:52:07] It's not your mom. It's not uncle Joe. It's it's, it's not because you can't afford to eat. Right. That's all. Those are all lies. We've dispelled those 14 years on this show. We've talked about food deserts and how people can get good food. Now they deliver food right to your frigging door. You go online, you'll order steaks, you order chicken, you order anything you want, they'll deliver it to you.

[00:52:29] There's no excuse anymore. If you're fat and you're sick, it's your fault.

[00:52:37] That's it. You're smiling. It's a true, and nobody wants to talk about it because I'm sure that if, if somebody outside of this audience gets a hold of this, they've got to say, that guy called, he's a jerk. We need to Sue him. We need to do this to him. He's horrible. He know the truth, hurts, own it, and move past it.

[00:52:56] I used to be 330 friggin [00:53:00] pounds. You know why? Because I ate constantly. I didn't move enough and I was miserable with my life, and so I was eating and eating and eating and eating and eating, and then one day I realized I didn't want to die. That was it for me. I had a heart problem. Doc says, yeah, you know, we're going to have to put a pacemaker in you.

[00:53:19] I was like, no, no, I'm too young to die. I don't want to die. And I took and I thought to myself, how do I fix me? I broke me. How do I fix me? Right? I didn't blame it on my genetics. I didn't blame it on anything else. I took control of it. I, and, and, and, and granted, I didn't lose a hundred pounds overnight.

[00:53:36] It took me years. But I embraced the journey. I was getting stronger. I was making gains in the gym. I was feeling good and I was losing weight. You know, you've got to focus on the day to day goals and everything changes for you. Right, but man, Oh man, if this guy Lustig has his way, we'll be suing food companies for something that they aren't even, you know how you vote, you vote with your dollar.

[00:53:58] You stopped buying crap [00:54:00] food. The companies that make crap food go out of business. That's it. But yeah, that all starts with personal responsibility and choice. Right. But that's

[00:54:08] Ronnie Milo: [00:54:08] going back to what we talked about earlier. How about you go to the doctor's office and they recommend a pharmaceutical drug for you and you're like, okay, you went, now I'm not going to put a pacemaker and I'm going to fix this.

[00:54:18] Which we do. But the regular person, they're not going to do that. And you're going to take that medication and it's just going to get worse and worse and worse. Put a bandaid over it. So, yeah, I agree with you. 100%

[00:54:28] Carl Lanore: [00:54:28] makes me so angry and so sad and so frustrated and, and I, you know, I guess I, I don't know.

[00:54:36] It's like, you know, if you're an ex smoker, you just can't stand the smell of cigarette smoke. I'm an ex ex fat ass. And now I look at other fat asses and I think you could change if you wanted to. I look at people who have diabetes. I look, I have someone in my family who's had diabetes for years now, and I tell him every single time we talk, you know, I can help you get rid of that in six months, [00:55:00] like the next stop views insulin.

[00:55:02] But you can get, you can turn, you're still way, you could turn it around six months, it'll be over, and he has no interest in fixing himself. So he's the most, he's at Mo. He lives in New York. He's at the most risk of getting diarrhea from covert 19 I'm like, well, it's your own fault, man. These are your choices.

[00:55:19] You know? I

[00:55:19] Ronnie Milo: [00:55:19] think everybody's have excuses, right? If you ask somebody to do something, they gave me an excuse right. I, I can't train, you know, I work too much. I have too many kids, this and that, and I'm like, you can find time. You can train. I can't eat right. You know, I, I just can't do that. That's full of excuses, right?

[00:55:36] Everybody's full of excuses.

[00:55:38] Carl Lanore: [00:55:38] The motto of this show for entire time it's been on the air is live stronger, live longer, stronger, came before longer for a reason. Because if you live stronger, you will live longer. That's the facts. And I started saying that 14 plus years ago, and science continues to come out to [00:56:00] prove me.

[00:56:00] Right. So that's it. That's my rant. If you are offended by it, it's because you're probably fat like I used to be. And if you're not offended by it, pass it around to people that you care about and love, because sometimes you've got to sit down with people and tell them the truth, even though it may piss them off.

[00:56:19] Yeah. Really. No, that's it. All right, well, thanks for being here today, Ronnie. I'm off the air tomorrow. I don't have a show next week. We have a great show next Friday. I've got Judy Mick of it's coming on. You know who she is. She used to work with Dr. Anthony Fowchee. Next Friday we got a blockbuster show.

[00:56:39] It's going to be called the Corona virus cover up.

[00:56:43] Ronnie Milo: [00:56:43] Listen.

[00:56:44] Carl Lanore: [00:56:44] Yeah, it's gotta be a good show. Good show. She, she's in great demand. She's gotta be on next Friday. I, that's it for today. Uh, again, there's no gym to go to. So I hope many of you are training at home as much as possible. And, uh, I love doing what I do because those [00:57:00] of you out there love listening to the show.

[00:57:03] And I appreciate every one of you. I wish I could. I feel, I feel like I have this big family out there that I've never met.

[00:57:08] Ronnie Milo: [00:57:08] You do.

[00:57:09] Carl Lanore: [00:57:09] Alright. See you next week. Stay strong. Stay strong. .