[00:00:00] hey, welcome back to another episode of super human radio. Today is April 29th. This is the last day, by the way, uh, to sign up for the drawing for the be strong blood flow restriction system. It's a 400 and. 29 $430 system that we're giving away tomorrow on the air. If you're a friend of mine on Facebook, go to the super MERITO network page on my personal Facebook page and click the link and get your name in there, because some lucky winner is going to be announced tomorrow on the live show and tune in tomorrow.

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[00:02:15] How you doing, Brett? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on. So I gotta tell this story. So first of all, I'm, I'm wearing my Arizona state university hat, which I had to find, I couldn't even find it in honor of Brett because that's, this is his old Alma mater when he was in Arizona, and when I lived in Arizona, going through my divorce.

[00:02:31] I heard about this guy. Uh, my, my niece was the vice president of an advertising agency called marts agency, and the girl who owned the agency, uh, she had this thing called the burner. And it was a a little platform that you got on and it looked like a tricep type movement, but it really wasn't. It was a goo glute thrust, and she says, Oh yeah, this guy, Brett Contreras, she created this and we're partners with them.

[00:02:59] We're going to start [00:03:00] marketing it, and I thought, this is brilliant. No one, I mean, sure, wrestlers did neck bridges and stuff like that, but that was for your neck. Nobody really ever started talking about focusing on the glutes as a primary mover in a movement before you, I'm going back to 2008. Eight now, 2007 actually, that you developed that product, right?

[00:03:20] Yup. And lo and behold, all these years later, you have become the glute guy. And you've, you know, I talked about this in the writeup, the today show around 1991 J lo came on the scene and she was a different, uh, actress, not just because of her ethnicity, but she had this proud round. But, and all of a sudden.

[00:03:43] It gave women who had big round asses the right to have them and make them popular, but then the girls who didn't have them wanted them all of a sudden, and before you really, I can't, I have to say this and maybe you're going to say, well, no, there was another guy [00:04:00] that I learned from, but before you women who had flat butts really.

[00:04:05] Short of surgery, they had no options. And then you come out and start focusing on certain movements, targeted movements, and all of a sudden, every girl who ha wa, who wants it, who wants to put in the work, can have a beautiful, I call it an antigravity ass. I mean, I don't think there was, there were any like pure glute specialists, you know, uh.

[00:04:30] So I think I was like the O G of, uh, you know, the glute experts. And it's funny cause now there's like, you know, probably 50 of them on Instagram. And, uh, it's funny, I, I started it off, but yeah, it was 2006 when I thought it up. And, uh, you know, Carl, I thought about watching UFC fights, uh, there, there, I was like, man, fuck him off for you.

[00:04:52] Buck him off of you. How come you're already then trying to bridge up and. Maybe if you had stronger glutes and more explosive glutes, you would [00:05:00] you throw your hips up and get the guy off of you? So I thought, how could you load that? How could you add range of motion to it and make it a better exercise?

[00:05:07] And that's how I thought of the hip thrust. You know what's really funny? So you've gained a lot of your popularity because of the aesthetic effects of your work. But the reality is, and I've said this to people at my gym in the past, uh, I really. My squat and my deadlift improved once I started to do hip thrusts.

[00:05:27] So for those of us guys out there who are interested in and getting stronger in these types of movements. Uh, really you the first person to come out and say, I mean, I know you've worked with NFL football players who they, they increase their explosives, uh, launch into a sprint because of the work that they're doing.

[00:05:46] And you know, there's always been this, well, you know, if you want a squat, you gotta. If you want to learn to be strong in the squat, you gotta squat more. And so people will discount the value of a hip thrust. But if you want to learn how to get out of the hole with big weight on [00:06:00] your back, start to hip thrust, that's what I figured out.

[00:06:03] You know, it's funny in these linemen, you know, they, they would, they way they weighed 350 pounds, they would do, you know, I wouldn't even have to add much load cause they're sinking their hip. I would actually elevate their back and their feet and they'd sink down, thrust up, and they'd be, they get this crazy glute pump and they go, wow, I really liked that.

[00:06:23] I, you know, it's nice to not feel like I have to put hundreds of pounds on my back and wear a belt and put knee wraps on. Just to work my glutes. You know, they, they really liked it. Um, back in the day when I trained more athletes, now I train mostly bikini competitors, but I kind of, it's a tough life.

[00:06:42] Somebody's got to do it. Right. Didn't you get married not too long ago? No, never got married. Okay, so you're still single. It's still single. So when you're out and about two women ever ask you, they say, David said to you, my God, you know, because of you, I've got this, great, but will you sign my ass? [00:07:00] But not that one.

[00:07:03] That's classic about, uh, you know, Instagram, because, you know, I, I came from being a high school math teacher in Scottsdale and, uh, you know, you come from a math teacher, I was making like 30 grand a year back. It's more working up as a personal trainer, but now being on Instagram and having, you know, I'm almost at a million followers.

[00:07:27] It's like people start treating you like you're some celebrity, and like last time I was in LA for the LA FedEx, both some come out of this restaurant yard house and some, some girl was like, Oh my God, you're breaking trust. And I'm like, yeah. She's like, Oh no, what am I going to, can I get a picture? And she's like.

[00:07:45] Hands, hands are phone to my friend Paul, and she's shaking so bad. Her hand is just shaking and take a picture. I'm like, are you going to be okay? And I give her a hug. She's like, the both of you. I'm like, I'm just a normal guy. Trust me. And she goes like, she's like, no, you're not. You're a God. And [00:08:00] I'm like, what?

[00:08:01] It's so funny that you know, I've, I've always, I don't ever want to get some crazy ego. You know what, if Instagram went down tomorrow, I'd be back to back on the drawing board. So I don't want to get an ego about it, but, but you don't have that personality either. You, you know, there are certain people who quietly, they aspire to be famous.

[00:08:21] And I don't think you're all about the work. You're not about the fame at all. Yeah. And especially starting out, it was just, you know, I'd have all these guys in the industry that would say, God, Brett, you're going about it all wrong. Why are you giving away all your information for free and you could make so much money if you do this?

[00:08:36] And I'm like. They're telling me what to do, and I'm going like this in terms of popularity and spreading the word and my methods are now all over the world. That was what I was after. I just wanted the hip thrust and all the other things that I do to become popular, and the money didn't come until like probably like seven years.

[00:08:56] In, eight years in, I started making really good money, but I [00:09:00] never cared about that, you know? And now you know, it's funny, Carl, like. When I came here, this is my gym, you know, this is my gym glute lab. And, and when I, when I started here, I just, you know, I make money online and I, if there was nothing online, I'd be poor because in real life I have a hard time charging people and I just work with it.

[00:09:21] I just started training everyone here for free and, uh, you know, giving them equipment and stuff, giving them free glute loops and free everything. And. I just did that to be nice. But I actually think it was an awesome strategy because I never thought about this. They're tagging me all the time and then I share it and we build each other up, you know?

[00:09:43] And that's, it was kind of a unique, cool thing. My glute squad and the people that I work with here, I've actually never charged any of them. I just train them for free. Uh, just cause I just, when I know their situation, I'm like, man, it's expensive out here in San Diego. I want them to have some. [00:10:00] Really for them, and it ended up being good for both of us, you know, because some of these girls that, you know, they'll have like 30 30 to 70,000 followers and they tag me, but it also just gives social proof like it works.

[00:10:13] Yeah. So you're, you're extremely humble guy and you've always been that way. And, and, and I, and I get it. I, cause I've known who you are for a long time and you've been coming on the show for at least a decade now. Um, who had the biggest influence on that part of your personality as far as your, your parents or your family?

[00:10:33] I don't think it was, I think it was just a, I don't think it was a person. I modeled it after it was, um, my. Just being such a skinny kid, I had no self esteem. And I remember like in seventh grade, we all started lifting weights, like in my friend's backyard, and you know, they'd have the bar bell and then like a 10 pound on each side and they'd be doing sets of 10 and I remember unwrapping the bar, just the bar.

[00:10:59] And I came down [00:11:00] and I was pinned. I couldn't lift it. And they were like. No, you gotta do this, you gotta do this. I tried like five different times and they were like, wow, I can't believe you're that weak and skinny. So weak. My grandma would always put her hand around my arm and she'd go, she'd just shake her head at me.

[00:11:16] So I never thought I'd be anything like the fact that I'm just look, look like I even lift now. I'm like, I never thought I would become. So, so you're always, I, I re, I understand what you're saying because I was very fat kid and so I got you ameliorated for being fat, but you never lose that person. Even when you grow up and you become someone different, you still see life through those eyes, huh?

[00:11:43] Yeah, exactly. That's really touching. So you've released a new book. How many books have you written down. Three. Okay, so you released a new book here and it's a, it's called the glute lab. I'm sorry. It's called, yeah, it's called glute lab. It's [00:12:00] a PSI, the art and science of strength and physical physique training.

[00:12:04] I'm sorry. I see you have the effect on me too. I'm shaking and I'm, I can't even get my words out. Um, what's different about this book than other books that you've done before? Well, uh, bodyweight straight trainer. I mean, I wrote that was just a body weight book. And then strong curves was a, it was a book on glute training for women.

[00:12:23] But this, what I loved about glute lab is, uh, my, my, like I waited around. It's funny cause I don't need to be like, I don't pitch book deals to people. I don't reach out to people. I'm just. Do my own thing in life and I'm trying to manage Instagram and put out content and train myself and train people and read research, and that keeps me busy enough.

[00:12:46] So I'm in no hurry to like I'm not pitching book deals to companies. They came to me and I said, okay, I would love to write a book, but I want Glenn Cordoza to coauthor it with me. Because he just crushed [00:13:00] it with supple leopard. You know, that book was Kelly story. I think I had Kelly on on the show. I didn't have him, but yeah, I did a show about that when they first that that book came out, what, like nine years ago, right?

[00:13:11] Eight years ago,

[00:13:15] they killed it in, Glen did a good job. So I'm like, okay, I want Glen to meet with my coauthor, and Glen calls me up. He's like, Britton. So busy. My wife's going to kill me if I write another right in another book. Can you find someone else? Then I said, no, I'll wait. And he's like, it could be a couple of years, and I'm like, I'll wait that.

[00:13:33] That'll be fine. I'll just gain more expertise, you know, during that time. And he's like, okay, I'll give you a call when I'm running in. About a year later, he calls me up and he's like, okay, I'm ready. Let's do this. And we took two years on this book. We spent two years writing this book. I mean. And we, that what I love about it is, uh, you know, the, the, the, the, uh, owner of the company, his name's Arish.

[00:13:58] He just kinda like, [00:14:00] you know, I know he's going, because Glen and I are both kind of like OCD. We want, we want it to be so comprehensive and they're going, God, it's like when we submitted, it was like 750 pages. They're like, you can't sell a 700. We have to condense it to make 206 pages. We had to condense it to.

[00:14:18] So it was still hard for us to like reformat and consent, condense it down, but we ended up, what do you get rid of? Right? Because you realize everything in here is important, so why do we sacrifice something? Well, that was so hard. It's like cutting off a finger or something. You're like so important. But this book, I mean, you go look at the ratings and you know there's like a thousand or around a thousand ratings right now, and almost all of them are five star because.

[00:14:44] I mean, I feel like it's the best. I mean, I have all the books in strength and conditioning. I think it's the best that anyone's, I mean, not trying to brag, but we put more time and energy in it than anyone. And, uh, and I think it, it comes across well, but we got to tackle [00:15:00] top, I delved into nutrition. I delved into like training around pain and injury, program design, exercise technique.

[00:15:07] It's very comprehensive. So I was thinking about this interview and anticipation of it. I was thinking to myself, you know, I, um, in 2000 and uh, um, 16 I crushed my left foot and I lived with a crushed foot. I continued to train, I continued to squad, I continued to do everything. But then in 2018, I underwent two foot surgeries in that year.

[00:15:38] And so. All just about all of my lower body strength just disappeared. And the thing that I lost first was my glutes. And once my glutes, you know, I, I'm like, you, I have that disease, no asset, all, you know. And so I always had that flat ass when I was a young man, [00:16:00] but when I started to lift heavy, you know, I just developed a really great, but, and I.

[00:16:06] And I, and it contributed a lot to many, many things that I was able to do sprint and so on. Well, I lost my glutes and now I'm noticing that my gait has changed. Uh, my hips are changing the way they work. I'm starting to get a knee problem and my left knee, my ankles aren't. And I realized at that moment that the glutes contribute so much more.

[00:16:32] Then we give credit too, because they really are, I mean, your eye, unless you're doing seated leg extensions, anything else? Your, your quads and hamstrings depends on your glutes to be the foundation for them to drive and push. And so the end of spinal erectors, they're just hanging in the wind. If it's not for the glutes, stabilizing them, then you know the glutes could be, I would say, very underestimated in their contribution to overall physical strength.

[00:16:58] Would you, would you agree with that? [00:17:00] Yeah. I mean, it's like, you know, like the pendulum will swing and like in the seventies and like the grownup learning about bodybuilding. Carl, did you ever hear anyone talk about glutes like it was other than them being striated when you lost it? A body fat and water?

[00:17:18] That's it. You need to be conditioned, but know about glute training. It was just, this is what you do for quality. This is what you do for hams. And your glutes just kind of developed because you trained quads and hams and some people got nice glutes that way, but not everyone they never targeted in. It's funny cause if you look and they did shrugs for their traps when they did, Oh all three Delt raises.

[00:17:40] They did curls and tries to pick kitchens and flies. They trained their necks, but no one trained their glutes. They didn't even trained forearms. But you've never trained glutes. And, uh, it was like the one muscle that you couldn't isolate, you know, and then, and then a lot of that was like, you know, no one cared that much, but Vince [00:18:00] Geronda, he was like, anti the glutes shouldn't be very big.

[00:18:03] The quad should be huge. And you don't want to do too many squats to get the glutes big. You want to do duck squats or like a narrow stance, like sissy squats, back squats with a duck stance and stuff. And, um, then, you know, times changed and that I helped, you know, you mentioned like the, the, the J lo, the Kim Kardashians, all this, this kind of new era coming in.

[00:18:29] And, uh, and then that coincided with me coming out with like, Hey, look, you can do it if you want. Here's your tools. Here's all the exercises. But does the pendulum swing too far? Eventually? I don't know. Sometimes people can think glutes are like there are other, a functional standpoint. Other muscles are important too.

[00:18:50] They're all important, but I do think glutes. If I had to choose, I mean, knowing what I know about human anatomy and physiology and biomechanics, if I had to say what is the most important [00:19:00] muscle in the body, I would say glutes because. If you look at, think of like a muscular anatomy chart. The glutes are kind of right there, the centerpiece, the Keystone, but they're involved in so many different things, like the mere fact that they're involved in not just hip extension, but hip, external rotation and hip abduction.

[00:19:16] Think about when you swing a bat, you know, I always do this at conferences. I'll show here I'm in hip fluxion, hip abduction and hip internal rotation, and I do this and I, I use all three actions of the glutes. Hibbing I ended up in hip extension, hip abduction, hip extra rotation. So you use all three of the glutes in that one movement, but they also, uh, people, a lot of people don't know this, that, uh, 70 to 85% of the attachments are to fascia.

[00:19:45] So only about, you know, 15 to 30% attached to like the gluteal tuberosity. Um, you know, on a femur. Most of them. Yeah. Most of the attachments are to fascia, so it influences a lot of through [00:20:00] like, you know, myofascial force transmission. So you're getting, it connects to the it band and the it band connects to the tibia, so you can almost think of it as a tendon down to the, to, to the lower leg.

[00:20:13] You know, it attaches to the SSI joint. To the erector and stuff. And the transfer is kind of through the thoracolumbar fascia up to the lat. So I think it influences a lot of movement throughout the body. So a lot of people suffer from everybody I talk to who has lower back problems. It's, you know, it's a L L L four L five S one and we sit on our ass all day long.

[00:20:38] And the movements we do. Perform as a rule, have very little glute activation in them. Could hip thrust actually benefit a guy who's trying to increase, uh, let's say, uh, the S the space between vertebrae and loosen up those vertebrae in that region of the lumbar [00:21:00] spine? Do you think that that motion is good for the lumbar spine?

[00:21:06] So I do think it's good for the lumbar spine. I don't think it increases the distance, but so the, in this, in this pain science world, there's a lot of, that's this pendulum swinging to where everyone, all they knew about was biomechanics and there was, and I was like that 10 years ago, if you had back pain.

[00:21:25] I'm like. You have a weak core, weak glutes, you need to strengthen your, you know, you need to be doing your glute activation every day. You need to do some planks and side planks and stuff like that. And then we realized there's much more to it, pain and, and, and there's much more to pain than just biomechanics.

[00:21:44] There's a lot more factors than the biopsychosocial model became popular. And it, especially with chronic pain, it's like, it has a lot to do with your psychology and sociology. But, uh, but interestingly, all the pain people would say, well, [00:22:00] you know, there's so many nos, CBO and placebo and no seatbelt effects out there.

[00:22:04] For example, if you're told like, glutes are really important for back pain and then you don't have big glutes, and then I'm your trainer, and I'm like, man, does your back hurt because you don't have any glutes? You could theoretically manifest back pain just believing it. So, uh. So when when people start saying like, I started doing hypnosis and my back feels better, a lot of the pain site is just assume cause they don't have a lot of experience as a trainers.

[00:22:31] They just think, Oh, it's probably a placebo effect or something. But there's way too many anecdotes. I mean, if I put it on my Instagram and said, how many of you start feeling better when you started doing hip thrusts and some band work, like some abduction exercise that I would have so many people, just thousands of people coming to and saying, I know for a fact.

[00:22:50] I did. So there has to be something to it as to the mechanism does stronger glutes spare other structures because now you're using your glutes more. You use these other [00:23:00] structures less. You move more at the hips and less at this spine. You know when you deadlift, when you sweat, when you pick things off the ground, when you do things, you might tense your glutes more, just move at the hips more instead of rounding back.

[00:23:13] We don't really know the mechanism, but it could. You know it, it could theoretically. Create less, you know, create like better movement patterns, which create less damage. But the pain sites can be, is trying to get away from this whole damage talk because you can MRI people, you can MRI people and you know, say I say I took a hundred people who had no back pain or no knee pain or no shoulder pain or no hip pain at night and I MRI them, image them.

[00:23:45] You'd find around 30% of people who have a lot of damage, but no pain, no for no pain. Herniated, just for example, and it depends on the age, like it goes up as you age, right? Let's say 30% of people would have no back pain, even though I had, they [00:24:00] had herniated discs and you're like, how do they not have pain?

[00:24:02] It's kinda crazy. You know, I, I seem to recall, you know, I've been doing this show for 14 years, literally four to five days a week. But I remember having Stuart McGill on the show when he wrote the book, fix your own back and I could have sworn I asked him about hip thrust and he was working with you, was he not?

[00:24:19] Didn't you guys get together on something? Yeah, I flew out to meet him and we did some stuff at his lab and know it was interesting to see, cause I read this research, it was cool to see this is where it gets done. You know, here's this model of the spine and how they load it up and they, they take these.

[00:24:35] You know, uh, models like, uh, uh, up. Interestingly, they use the pig spine of the poor sign. Cervical spine is very similar to the human lumbar spine, the size of the disc and how it works. They're always can't delivering to get food and stuff. And so they use very biomechanically similar and, uh, for lotteries.

[00:24:59] But anyway, can [00:25:00] take it. A jig and compress it because when you, when you do like a crunch for example, or pick something up off the ground, the erectors, the abs, when they contract its squeezes, it creates that force on it. Just so they'll put, you know, around like say 2,800 Newtons of compressive or something like that on the desks and they move, they move it back and forth.

[00:25:24] Through a range of motion out to be similar to that. When you pick something up off the ground, they'll do it for, you know, say 10,000 cycles and see how many, how many of the disks, herniate for example. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. He was, I remember him talking and I, he was favoring the hip thrust. He thought that, um, if it was done properly, I remember him talking about overextending like some people when they, and you, you do a lot of stuff on this, in some of your videos.

[00:25:52] I've, I've seen you correct people. When there are overextending the lumbar spine when they're actually like humping the bar instead [00:26:00] of hindering the bar, so to speak. Yeah. It's funny, he, uh, he's always been a fan of the hip thrust. Um, but he cautions people not to. It's like when I started telling people to post your pelvic tilt, when you post your pelvic tilt, the lumbar spine moves it a little bit into flection.

[00:26:17] Just like when you anterior tilt, your lumbar spine moves into extension a little bit. So I started realizing that if I had people, well, it's funny, this is the things you learn is cause like Stu is a good example of a pure, like a pure researcher. Uh, like he studies things in a lab and then me, I'm way more of a personal trainer coach.

[00:26:42] But I was talking to my good friend Ben Bruno one day. He trained celebrities out Hollywood and, and athletes and stuff like that. But he, he's like Brett, I just tell people to look at the like where the ceiling meets the wall in front of them and then [00:27:00] that's it. They don't hyperextend they don't, they end up not hyperextending.

[00:27:04] And I was like, man, just yesterday I was, I was, uh, looking for pictures for a blog post. I was writing, this was several years back and I was looking for pictures and I was trying to find, I was looking at videos of all my clients and I'm like, man, I can't use any of these, cause they're. They're like looking forward and crank down.

[00:27:22] And I'm like, maybe that's actually a good thing. So I started actually queuing it more so then if it moved to like don't look up, look forward and move mostly from the sternum down. And that way they don't hyperextend their spines. They end up post your tilting at the lockout and then everyone, no one hurts themselves when you do it that way.

[00:27:40] But the, the way people hurt themselves with hypnosis is they, their chest comes up too much and they hyperextend that can lead to damage. But it's funny cause. Still also cautious. Don't post your public tilt too much, but that doesn't happen with the hip thrust too much. But he, he's always thinking of the spine and I'm kind of just thinking of what works in theory, [00:28:00] more like, like, Hey, in the last decade, I've never had anyone hurt themselves with hip thrusts, you know?

[00:28:04] Right. Right? In fact, um, I have lumbar spine issues from, from decades of squatting. And I had an orthopedic surgeon as a good friend of mine when I tore a couple of hamstring attachments, probably be about five or six, maybe six years ago. And he got the pictures of me and he said, man, you're going to have back problems someday.

[00:28:25] And uh, and sure enough it did. But in the morning when I wake up, I bring my heels up and I do. Like five or six thrusts in the bed and I get out of bed and I have no pain. If I don't do those thrusts, I got out of bed and I got to walk for a while before the pain goes away. There's something to it, you know, and it could just be, it just could be dynamic, flection, dynamic movement, you know, just loosening things up a little bit more than anything else.

[00:28:51] Um, I want to take a quick commercial break. When we come back, we're gonna talk more about the book. We're talking today with Brett Contraras about his new book glute lab. [00:29:00] And you can get it at Amazon. Or wherever, find a book to solve. But also you can also go to Brett's website, which has bred contrares.com.

[00:29:08] Stay tuned, we'll be right back with more super Meridian. You are listening to the superhuman channel. Don't hate us because we feel good.

[00:29:24] We're in, uh, in day 43 of the lockdown here in Kentucky, and later in the show I'm Shawmut and talking about COBIT 19 and age stratification. To further, uh, continued the discussion about, uh, we've handled pandemics in the past. How we're handling this one, we're talking right out, Brett Contrares about his new book glute lab.

[00:29:49] You can get it at Amazon or you can get it at his website, Brett contrares.com. So, you know, there are certain muscles that I guess [00:30:00] you and I have both learned, you know, from being in the gym enough that you can hit frequently. Forearms and calves, you could hit them every single day because these are muscles that are used to high repetitions just because of normal life.

[00:30:14] We're grabbing things, we're walking and so on. And I don't know if this has to do with the, uh. Ratios of fast Twitch and slow Twitch fibers. But is there, is there anything to that with the glutes? I see a lot of the, um, women hitting their glutes almost daily. Are they one of those muscle groups that they could just take it and you don't have to worry about it?

[00:30:36] So that's a very good question. And I've got a lot of science I want to throw at you here, but, uh, interestingly. The glutes are not fast Twitch, like a lot of people think they think of what's an explosive muscle group, but there's only two studies done on the topic. And these are older studies, like done in like the seventies.

[00:30:52] And, um, you know, one group showed like 52%, uh, slow Twitch and another show like [00:31:00] 67% slow Twitch. So it's, it's not a very fast, Twitch is fast, which is people think, but regardless. Brad and I just yesterday got caught. This study published Brad Schoenfeld, Dr. Bradshaw, he's been on the show numerous times, so yeah, he and I just got a new study published and what out of Brad's lab in New York.

[00:31:22] And basically they looked at the soleus versus the gastrocnemius and they did. You know, high reps was low risk. And just in theory, the gastrocnemius is, is, uh, you know, more equal, more similar, like fast and slow Twitch with the soleus is very slow Twitch, 80% of the fibers and there, and they train it with high rates for slow reps.

[00:31:43] And it didn't result in differential, uh, like different muscle gain, like the theory States. So that was the first study to really examine that. And it. Kind of didn't show the evidence we thought it might. So that's, that's [00:32:00] remained to be seen. There needs to be more studies on it, but it cast some doubt on that whole theory.

[00:32:05] Now as to what you said though, in practice, we realize some muscles can be trained more frequently, and a lot of these women are training glutes all the time. But if you really think about it, think about the exercise that make you really sore. You know, like. Flies really stretched the pack Romanian Devis or you're really stretching the hamstrings and lunges cause you go real deep and stretch the glutes.

[00:32:32] So these exercises are really hard on the way down. You got lower kind of slowly, you can't just dive bomb it. So you have a more pronounced East centric phase and then you stretch the muscle under long lanes and it's like a contraction. It's trying to pull this way. You're likening it as it's contracting.

[00:32:49] So that creates the most damage. Well, think about when you do band work or hip thrust. The hip thrust is you're down at the bottom of the hip us, you start moving up. It's kind of [00:33:00] easy at the bottom part is at the top when the glutes are their shortest muscle length, you don't create a lot of damage doing hip thrust and glute bridges.

[00:33:07] When you do bad work, you're, you're standing, you're not in a stretch. You move to the side, you move the leg laterally. The only hard part is kind of as you move your leg laterally and it's in a shortened position. So there's no, not a lot of muscle damage, so you don't have to repair that muscle damage.

[00:33:25] It's like if here's your baseline and you damage the muscle, then you've got to repair, repair, repair until it can grow bigger. And so you don't have the muscle devastated that we need more research for. But that's my theory as to why you see, cause they know they're not doing lunges and deadlifts seven days a week.

[00:33:45] You know. I don't think they'd see good results. And what does that say about training methodology in the first place? You know, I'm going to be 62 in a couple of months, and a couple of years ago I started [00:34:00] experimenting with hitting every body part every day for five days, but not taking them to complete exhaustion.

[00:34:10] So at the end of a week, maybe I ended up doing. A hundred reps in a certain movement, but I did it in small aliquot shots where I wasn't trashing my central nervous system. I wasn't trashing the muscle, and I was able to do the work. And I saw great gains from that, which made me start thinking, you know, we, we bodybuilding, um, has given us lots of great things, but it's also given us lots of errors too.

[00:34:35] And this whole idea of taking muscles to a failure. Whether it's concentric or ecentric, this whole idea of taking muscles to failure may actually be misguided. You have any thoughts on that? Yeah. Um, you know, if you look at the whole body, and it's funny because this is where it's, I just love being a scientific trainer, like go read science because the theory [00:35:00] is the theory is as you go closer and closer to theory, like you start off a set of 10 or instead of 15.

[00:35:07] Muscle activation isn't that high, you know, rep one rep two and then it climbs a little bit as you move towards failure because you get greater activation of, you know, you, you recruit more motor units as you start fatigue. So it's like I'm, it's getting hard, it's getting harder. And then, Oh my God, I can barely get another rep and you're eating it out and squeezing it out.

[00:35:30] Well that rep is going to be that last rep theoretically cause it's cut. Um. Induces a much greater hypertrophic stimulus because of two reasons. Number one, you have greater activation, so theoretically more attention on the model, but also the time component. Like you could say, you just hopped off of a, uh, uh, you know, a tall bench and landed 10 times in a row.

[00:35:58] Your muscle activation, the quads would be through [00:36:00] the roof, but it's such a rapid contraction that you don't have the time availability to. To create sufficient tension because cross bridges take time to develop. If you have really rapid. That's why plyometrics and sprints don't build muscle as well as actual resistance training done properly.

[00:36:19] So that last rep studies show that actually the last rep of a threat to failure is the same time as a one rep max. You know, like you do a one rep max bench press or the 10th rep or your. Of, of a set of 10 to failure. That last rep is the same speed, uh, or very similarly. So, so the, so theoretically, in theory, going to failure is beneficial.

[00:36:44] In practice, you look through the whole body of research and you clearly have to go close to fail. Like you can't just do a set of 10 with a way you can do 20 times. It's gotta be hard, but you clearly based on the literature, a whole body of [00:37:00] literature, you don't need to be training to failure. For strength.

[00:37:03] Uh, and some in some studies it can be counterproductive. And then, you know, we don't have enough research on what it does do hormonally to cause it affects them. So if you train, so what I think is, you know, you can compensate by doing, you know, if you don't train as hard, you can do an extra set or something and it, it makes up for that.

[00:37:24] But, uh, you know, like. Bottom line and their studies, a study was just published last week on this. They looked at rep speed and like how, how, like how hard, how close to fail you have to trade based on the last rep, the speed of the last rep. And it was, you do have to come close to failure, but not to failure.

[00:37:46] But I agree. I think it can be overdone. Um. And I think Carl, we grew up in the bodybuilding era. I remember bodybuilder being like, I take every single set to complete muscular [00:38:00] failure, and I'm going every day. And I remember going, I don't know if I believe them because like I do a set, like if I do my first set of squats to failure or even chin-ups, if I do a set of chin-ups for as many reps as I can.

[00:38:16] The first set, I might get 12 breaths. You know, the most I've heard is 16 but 12 reps already. The second step, if I arrest like two minutes, I'm already getting like eight and then the third set, I get like five but you'll look at their workouts and they'll be like 10 10 10 so if you really go to failure, you, you go down, don't the same.

[00:38:38] So now I know it's, it's funny. And so, and also. You're, you have governors built into your brain that are designed to protect the heart. There's this, the brain is designed to keep you from giving yourself a heart attack. And people don't realize you can't, you can't derail that because what it does is it [00:39:00] starts to shut down, uh, intonation into the muscle to you.

[00:39:04] You know? That's why when they put that. Magnetic halo on your head in those labs where they do muscle work, where they like you, they say, take this leg, press to failure, and you take it to failure, and then, and then they go, could you do one more rep? And you're like struggling or not? And then they put that magnet on your head and you go, well, you know what I'm talking about?

[00:39:24] That magnet, that pulse magnet. No, but I wonder if you're talking about. Transcranial magnetic stimulation or whatever they have. They, they have this device in some of these labs where they test. This is where that whole. Uh, you know, the granny who picked up the Volkswagen to save her grandson, kinda theory comes from, so there's governors in the brain that are designed to keep you from shearing muscles off of bone or giving yourself a heart attack.

[00:39:49] And they're very effective in shutting down muscle activation. But they have a way to block that with a magnetic device. It looks like a halo. I saw, I saw a video [00:40:00] about a study where they used it in the leg extension. They had a guy do leg extensions to failure. He couldn't do another rep. He brought the bar down.

[00:40:09] They said try to do another rep and he couldn't get it going. And while he was doing that, they put this little halo device and his leg came right up and they said, what we're doing is we, we're, we're, we're derailing the protective mechanisms in your brain that are designed to keep you from injuring yourself.

[00:40:23] And so that, that, I mean, people say, Oh yeah, I take it to failure. Your muscles may have a lot more gas to them, but your brain is telling you you're done. You know? I've always been skeptical of that line of reasoning because you look at like voluntary activation, how hard someone can activate a muscle and even beginners are at like 90%, you know, advanced or more like a hundred, closer to a hundred.

[00:40:47] And then cause you can do these, um, super imposed bursts of like, you basically shock the muscles and you that way you act every muscle. Are they stronger that way? What's the corporate speak between [00:41:00] how strong their, when you shock them versus how strong they are voluntarily. And, uh, but regardless what you're talking about this governor that has, that central governor theory was postulated with running and you think about it when you're running and you're like, Oh my God, I, I'm done.

[00:41:18] I can't, I can't run anymore. And then like it's your brain. It's uncomfortable. It's, it's, it's a, your brain shutting you down and really of all of a sudden you're like, I can't run anymore. And someone was like, Oh my God, there's a tiger behind you. You squint. And that's what I think about. That's another reason why you remember what he talked about earlier, how these women are trained in their, their glutes very frequently, like they're doing band work.

[00:41:46] And you know, when you're doing band work and stuff like that, you're like, Oh, I can't do any more reps. But it's just cause it's uncomfortable. You really could get an extra five if you had, you weren't really going to complete failure and it's a good thing. It's [00:42:00] a, you know, you're not pushing it too hard and perceived exertion.

[00:42:03] They call it in a lot of labs. Right. Perceived exertion. I want to take one last commercial break and bring you back and I want to ask you a question about. Uh, hip thrust being a better alternative for women who don't want their thighs to get bigger, but just their glutes to get bigger. Right? Then move over to superheroes.

[00:42:21] This is this superhuman channel. Welcome. So women are interesting creatures, aren't they? Right. Guys love big, thick thighs, right? We're like, Oh yeah, you know, I can't get my pants on. I got to buy 38 waist because the legs don't fit more. Women don't want big thighs. They just don't. And even if you say to them, but no, your thighs are beautiful.

[00:42:45] They're there. They're round and they're muscular. They're like, no, I don't want big thighs. And so it is the hip for us. The better alternative for women. Then say the squat or even the deadlift because they're not going to really big builder, or are you going to [00:43:00] build those quads and hamstrings indirectly because they are stabilizing the movement.

[00:43:06] So that's a very good question. And trust me, it's like half my clients here. That's what they, they just don't want bigger legs. They want bigger glutes. In fact. One of my most popular blog posts, uh, back in the day was how to grow your glutes without growing the legs. You know, it's, um, and so is the hippos better?

[00:43:30] Yes, I do believe so. But here's the thing, you actually do get high, as you mentioned, high quad and hamstring activity with the hip thrust, and it's like the hip thrust is actually like a good total lower body movement because you get. The adductors are hip extensors, you know, and it does work. The hamstrings and quads, the quads and the heavier you go, the quads have to activate more because, um, it's actually a very complicated biomechanical concept.

[00:43:58] But basically [00:44:00] once your glutes kind of are over, like the, the, the knee is bent. So that takes the hamstrings out of it a lot. You start going heavier and heavier, you start feeling the hamstrings more because the glutes can't do the whole job. So your brain tries to activate the hamstrings more. But the hamstrings create hip extension and knee flection at the same time.

[00:44:19] But in the hip thrust, you extend the knee just slightly as you come up. So you activate the quads more to prevent Nene fluxion from happening. So you, as you go heavier and heavier, you have to work more hamstrings and then therefore more clots. Uh, same thing with squats. You don't want to use the hamstrings much in a squat because if you do, the quad has to do more cause the hams, you create knee flection and in a squat you're getting knee extension.

[00:44:42] So, uh, I do think there was probably even better movements like the barbell glute bridge, but it's not as much range of motion. You don't tend to failure your quads quite as much with when your theatre, when, when your feet on the floor of your feet are elevated, but [00:45:00] it's just not as. Convenient of an exercise.

[00:45:03] Um, but is that because, is that because once you're up, right, there's a compensatory relationship between the hips to the upper body and the hips to the lower body. So your, your quads have to work more because your core is, is, is on the other side. They have to stay kind of in balance with each other in order to get a.

[00:45:29] Uh, the proper hindering movement? Is that why? No, I think it's like with the, when you're against a bench, you're pushing back more and stuff and you're, especially, you get, you get strong and figure out ways to cheat and we're pushing back and you know, if you push back too much, he started sliding. So, but I mean, regardless, you don't get as much range of motion for, you have high activation, but not a lot of range of motion.

[00:45:56] More kind of more clausy isometrics. So I don't think you'd get as much [00:46:00] growth with the quads and hamstrings as you would with squats and deadlifts, like squats for the quads and delis with the hamstrings. But regardless, it is a better movement for that. But I think you'd have to stay higher reps, you know, put a band around the knees and you'd get even more good activation that way, in my opinion.

[00:46:18] So anything coming up, are you attending any seminars? Any lectures? Yeah. Anything in the future. Not really. I'm actually, this book took so much out of me. I'm trying to lay low for a year and recover. That good book really took a lot out of me. Good. And so every day, do you have people who come to the glute lab and work with you.

[00:46:38] Yeah, it's a, it's, I've trained tons of people out of here and it's been nice. Well, right now you're shut down, right, because of Covidien's. Yeah. But normally I train people every day. Yeah. Yeah. That's exciting. Very, very exciting. Are you working with any celebrities that you can mention? Kind of. I don't train celebrities.

[00:46:56] I think about moving to LA, but I actually don't want to, cause I'd [00:47:00] be, I don't want to become like, you know, like a competitive about that. Like. I'd moved to LA and I'd be telling everyone like, Hey, tell the rock to come train with me. I want to train the train this person. Then I'd be, I'd be obsessed with that.

[00:47:15] And then I'd be, and then, you know, the celebrities are also very busy. They, and they need to re like you might have a schedule, but then you wake up to a couple of texts from your celebrity clients saying, Hey, I got to move my 10 o'clock to 11 o'clock and now you're trying to reshuffle the whole rest of your day.

[00:47:35] Seems like it'd be very, very stressful. They'll find someone who will, so, right, right. No, that's interesting for me. Do you get back to Arizona at all? Once in a while? You actually went during Christmas time and I thought it was funny cause I actually rented a room at the princess, like Scottsdale princess and like rented a, I drive, I drive a crummy car, but I rented like a.

[00:47:59] Yeah, [00:48:00] like a Dodge challenger and I was all, I'm going to be driving all around. I'm going to have people visit me. I'm staying at this nice, sweet, and you know it is when you visit your hometown. Every person I called, they're like, yeah, I got to see you. And then I call them, Hey, when do you want him?

[00:48:12] They're all busy. And I'm like, God. Never a pop it in your own mind. Do you know, have you ever eaten at a Doris in Scottsdale? The stakes are amazing, but I, they make the best cornbread they, you put, they put creamed corn in their cornbread and it's like, I'll go there and I'll eat two plates of that cornbread then hate myself for the next two days after it.

[00:48:34] But it's great. Listen, it's really great having you back on the show. Uh, you know, you're welcome to come on anytime you want to promote a book or anything like that. Very much appreciate that. And so stay in touch. And there you go. Get the, get the book at Amazon. Um, you know, I looked at the book, uh, it's not a book that you read per se.

[00:48:55] It's really more of a handbook. It's like, okay, so I want to do this. What's the best way to [00:49:00] do it? And it's more like an encyclopedia for strength and conditioning than anything else. It's not something you just read from cover to cover. It's not that kind of book. I wanted to make a book where you'd be proud to put on here.

[00:49:11] Leave it on your coffee table and it is good looking and it's substantial. It's a big book. I mean it does it really well. There you go. You can do two of them and do hip thrusts with to get two of them. We can do it best with them. I good seeing you, Brett. Thanks for being here, brother. Thank you Carl.

[00:49:29] Take care. And we're going to take one quick commercial break and when we come back, I'm going to share some information about. Pass the pandemics with you. And, uh, I want to talk about, you know, I'm trying to apply some real critical thinking to what's going on in our lives today. Um, the last couple of days I've, I've done this and I think I've, I've hit some home runs.

[00:49:50] I've gotten a lot of messages from people saying that it makes a lot of sense about how the, this, uh, this, uh, uh, virus, uh, both seated and [00:50:00] spread into our. Uh, and to our population. Uh, why some cities that are having a worse time than others. And, uh, but today I want to talk about age stratification and, uh, pass pandemics, uh, because we're talking about how.

[00:50:15] The elderly and the predominantly unhealthy population are, the ones are at greatest risk, but that's nothing. No, that's the way it is with the flu as well. Stay tuned. This is the superhuman channel doing reps with the weight of the world.

[00:50:41] so. A couple of days ago, I talked about the seeding and spreading of this virus, basically in short terms, places that have large international travel hubs and a large dependency on mass transit. All the places [00:51:00] that this virus exploded, and really we didn't have to shut down the whole country. We just need to shut down those places because it was people who traveled from those epicenters.

[00:51:10] Outward that brought it home to their little towns. And this is indisputable. In fact, tomorrow, uh, last half of tomorrow show, I've got a brilliant statistician and actuarial coming on the show. He's a friend of mine. And I said, Mark, would you look at these numbers and see if there's anything to this? I think I've discovered why some places are having a worse time than others.

[00:51:33] And he told me, he said, it looks good. This theory of mine. Okay. And then yesterday I did a little thing about the real heroes of this uh, pandemic. And that's the people who lost their jobs. And, and because it's a well known and well studied fact science proves what I'm about to say. Dating back to 2002.

[00:51:56] And beyond that, as unemployment goes up, death rates go up, [00:52:00] and especially suicides, and we're already seeing suicides go up in this short period of time. And there's a number out there that's used by everybody who talks about the relationship between unemployment and death, that for every 1% rise in unemployment represents 40,000 deaths.

[00:52:18] I think that's a very under estimated number for a variety of reasons that I gave yesterday in detail. However, since this number is accepted by everybody, it's even used in Hollywood, Hollywood movies. Um, the big short, Brad Pitt says it, uh, to the guys in the casino when they're all raving about making a bunch of money.

[00:52:37] He says, Hey man, calm down. This represents a lot of people losing their jobs for every 1%, the unemployment rate goes up. That's 40,000 deaths. And I used that yesterday, subtracted. The previous unemployment rate before the pandemic against the expected unemployment rate, which is predicted to be between 15 and 21% [00:53:00] and we came up with 480,000 deaths and.

[00:53:05] A lot of people go, Oh Carl, how could that, no, we know that as the unemployment rate goes up, these deaths happen. And so if the science is science, which it is, then we can expect close to a half a million deaths as the months play out from people who've lost their jobs. And so. I've been, I've been thinking a lot about past pandemics.

[00:53:29] So H one N one, uh, killed predominantly young people, children and, but it was transmitted to elderly people and old adults and so on. I think I even got it, to be honest with you. We talked about it on the show back in 2009. I was sick for about three days. I was down. Uh, and when I came back, I had lost my voice.

[00:53:53] I sounded like a Barry white. I joked and said, Barry White's doing the show this week. When [00:54:00] you, um, look at the way we treated that pandemic. We did close some schools. We did, not forever, but for awhile, the first wave, so to speak, but because it was kids, we were like, Oh. You know, we just have to close the schools and it'll be fine.

[00:54:17] The adults will be okay, and we still lost a lot of adults to that pandemic. A lot of people died. I think there's some estimations that I want to say. I recall somewhere around ninety thousand two hundred thousand people in the United States died because of H one N one big number, very big number. But we didn't shut down the country.

[00:54:38] We just shut the schools. Again, going back to my theory, if the pandemic is, it occurs in the epicenters that are driven by international travel hubs and mass transit, then we should have just shut those places down the way we shut the schools down to protect the kids, but. Elderly people [00:55:00] and people with comorbidities, and those are type two diabetes and everything that's related to it.

[00:55:06] Obesity, um, autoimmune disorders, they die at a much higher rate from just the seasonal flu. The flu is stratified by age. Uh, people in their thirties and forties. They don't die from it as much. Um, very young children, they die from it, but the, you know, 10 year old, 12 year old kid, they don't die from it.

[00:55:28] The people who die from the inflammation, from the seasonal flu are the elderly people, and they are the ones who run and get a vaccine at Walgreens every year because they don't want to get the flu, but they also do other things. When, when they know it's flu season, they're much more cautious about being around large numbers of people.

[00:55:46] They washed their hands more. If you asked elderly people, what do you do during the seasonal flu? They don't say, Oh, we don't care. We just go. They're all, well, we're cautious. And if somebody doesn't feel good, we tell them not to come over to the house. All of these [00:56:00] things could have been done with this pandemic.

[00:56:01] We're finding out, um, the death rate of this pandemic is slowly being shown. To be in the percent of 1% not the 5% 2% that people were predicting. And, and the absurd numbers that first came out, you know, when we first heard about it, which you know, 10% of them don't forget, they said, a million people are going to die in the United States from this virus.

[00:56:30] Let's not forget that. I guess my point here is this. We've handled past pandemics that threatened to kill our children with much more decorum and sensibility. Then we're handling this pandemic that threatens to kill old people and people who already are sick. And those people are the ones that die from the seasonal [00:57:00] flu.

[00:57:00] If you look at it, I'm going to attach the studies to today's discussion so you can go and look at them. But if you look at the research behind this, older people, except for H one N one that was a unique one, eight 29 one killed kids and we closed the schools. We didn't shut down the country. We didn't say, mom and dad, you can't go to work because you may be bringing it home to your kids.

[00:57:22] We didn't say that now our children's lives worth less than the elderly and the already ill. That's a rhetorical question cause you and I both know that's not the case. In fact, if anything that worth more from an evolutionary perspective, those of us, once we have children, we don't really need to be around.

[00:57:40] Once we raised them and they're on their own, we, you know, we could, we could check out our goal as a species is to have children and launched them. And then. You know, live out our lives. So children are worth more if you want to look at the value of a human life than an old person. And certainly more than a sick person, [00:58:00] sadly, to say, but it's the truth.

[00:58:02] And don't be offended because it's the truth. But the reality is that we didn't shut down businesses because we didn't want the people who worked in businesses to bring the H one N one virus home and killed their kids. We didn't do that, but today we've shut down the whole country and we're destroying the economy, which I predict.

[00:58:27] And you heard it here first. I know I don't have the audience of a dr Oz or anybody else, but just remember that I said this months from now, maybe even next year, we're going to talk about the deaths as a result of the massive unemployment. Okay. And I predict that those numbers are going to be way, way, way, way more dead from the way we handle this virus than the virus itself.

[00:58:56] I predict. So you heard it here. When you hear it again a [00:59:00] year from now, you go, man, that guy Carl said that, I can't believe that. You know, he's not such a schmuck after all. Um.

[00:59:10] Yes, Scott Lala is, is, is pointing out that the 1 million number was, if we take no precautions at all, I do agree that death rate will be lower than the original proposed number. And that's true because we took, but it's not because it's not because of Kentucky. It's not because of North and South Dakota.

[00:59:28] It's because of New York and California and Washington. It's because of the epicenters. Um. Don't take this as my, my saying we should stay shut down. The idea of shutdown is to buy time, but here's the problem with that, Scott. So the reason we are shut down re let, let's go back. Since you're, you're coming up with this, and this is a valid point.

[00:59:54] I wasn't going to get into this, but I want to now. So. Let's go back to [01:00:00] the reason that we shut down. So the fear was that the spike of this virus would be so high and so fast that let's say this is the spike. Imagine I'm drawing a line and this right here, this line is the capacity of hospitals to handle those cases.

[01:00:21] The reason we talked about flattening the curve is because a. This virus has to run its course. It will either run its course in the course of a couple months or it's run run its course in the course of a year, but it has to run its course. Biologists will all agree with this. They'll all say, yeah, no, this isn't going to go away until.

[01:00:43] It, it runs its course because every time you get an I get it, it mutates and it changes to something else and we contribute to, it's a reduction in risk by a passing through the population. This is a fact. That's what herd immunity is. But [01:01:00] remember, the reason that we wanted to flatten the curve is because the hospitals could only hand this handle this much with ventilators and hospital beds and all that sort of stuff.

[01:01:12] It wasn't because we thought we could stop the virus from running its course, but now the excessive down pressure to flatten the curve more than what it was originally suggested is just going to take this virus and make it take longer to run its course. Instead of it running its course, let's say in a couple three months, it could be running its course through the rest of the year.

[01:01:37] So it's misguided w the way. Non-scientific. Politicians have taken this idea of flattening the curve to avoid, uh, an over, uh, uh, what's the word? Uh, an unnecessary demand of unavailable hospital beds and stuff [01:02:00] has turned into like a pissing competition now. Well, we're going to keep people locked up till June.

[01:02:05] Oh, we're going to do until July. They're not gonna th th we're still gonna have the same death rate predicted. Uh, believe it or not, VR virologists will tell you this because it has to run its course in order for it to go away. But that, that, that's not even the real issue here. The real issue here is that we did not have to shut the entire country down.

[01:02:26] We did not, and I will not, I will debate that with anybody if we would have looked at New York because they're epicenters of, uh, uh, New York specifically because it's an epicenter of worldwide travel and they have a massive demand and dependency on mass transit. And we would have said to new Yorkers, you can't leave New York to stay in New York and probably Jersey too, because Jersey and New York, they're just there.

[01:02:56] They're like almost like the same state now. People work in Manhattan, [01:03:00] they live in Jersey, and Connecticut is kind of like that. If we would have just taken those States there, and then of course, Washington state and Los Angeles and maybe one or two other places that appear to have both contributing factor affects of international travel, high abundance of international travel, real travel travel hub there, and mass transit transit, uh, dependency.

[01:03:26] And we would have shut those places down. Places like North and South Dakota, Kentucky, we could've gone on our way. We would have had some cases because of people that continued to travel. I know people, I said this the other day, I know a guy who got, got it because his daughter and grandchildren, children didn't want to stay in New York.

[01:03:42] They were afraid they didn't get it. They carried it to him and him and his wife got it. So I just think that we need to reflect on what we've done in past pandemics and ask ourselves, why are we doing this now? And [01:04:00] really I'm happy to say that. Our governor here in Kentucky, maybe he's listening to people, uh, is talking about loosening up things, uh, in, in may and possibly, uh, everything back to normal mid June.

[01:04:13] And I think that's, I think that's sensible. I, I'm not like, Oh no, you gotta do it faster. No, we don't want to do that. But I just think that the whole, you, you Mark my words. We're going to look back at this and notice two things years from now. Number one, the deaths from unemployment topped what we predicted the deaths would be from covert 19 and there's going to be a lot of brilliant people who are going to say, you know, we really didn't handle this right.

[01:04:43] If we would have just shut down New York and New Jersey and Connecticut and California, and we said, Hey, you people have to stay home in your state. Social distance there, and we could have social distance here too. That's not a bad thing. But I mean, if they would have just taken the actions that [01:05:00] we took for the whole country with just those epicenters, I predict that this would have turned out a lot different.

[01:05:06] And I don't think we would have. And we've seen that. We're seeing this in another country. We're seeing it in Sweden and places like that. We're seeing this. So anyway, that's my 2 cents. But ultimately I want people to stay safe and healthy. And I also want people who are at risk to think about changing their lives, uh, because you have an opportunity to get stronger and use this as a springboard for reason.

[01:05:29] Stop paying attention to your health, paying attention to exercising and moving more, eating less crap food, you know? Um. A couple of these pork companies that are gone by the wayside. They make processed meats that have been tied to all sorts of things. I'm not too sad if they go away. Gotta be honest with you.

[01:05:51] Smithfield farm places like that, I mean, they're not, you can buy good pork from a farmer. You can buy good pork in a grocery store, but [01:06:00] that process stuff. Between the, uh, high heat cooking that they use, the things that they add to it, uh, the rates of sodium in them. I mean, I may piss people off, but I don't think I'll miss them if they went away.

[01:06:15] That's just my two CCS. And I hope you enjoyed today's show. Uh, we have great shows for the next two weeks. Elisa is knocking it out of the park. I gotta be honest with you. Some of the shows that we're going to be doing, in fact, we're going to start creating. A schedule so you can see what shows are coming up in the entire week at a time, because she's that good.

[01:06:35] She's that efficient. She's got us booked for the next three weeks already. I'll be doing five shows a week for the next three weeks. Absolutely. So be prepared. I look, thank you for being here. Uh, Scott Lawler, thank you for always putting good comments up there and challenging me. I like that sort of stuff.

[01:06:52] I don't know at all. In fact, I don't know much of anything to be honest with you, but thank you for being here and we'll see everybody tomorrow with more [01:07:00] superhuman radio. Please share the show and we'll see you then.