[00:00:00] [00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] welcome back to another episode of super human radio. We have an important show today because diet is really, um, the centerpiece of all disease States and reversing those disease States. And we've talked about this for over a decade now on the show. And the low carb lifestyle keeps coming forward in numerous studies, well-designed studies.

[00:00:24] On humans, uh, to show that a low carb lifestyle or a keto lifestyle, which the truth of matter is a low carb lifestyle produces ketones. So we can call keto and low carb and we can go back and forth and just say it's the same thing. But we know that these diets heal the brain actually reversed markers of aging in the brain, heal the body, reduce chronic inflammation dramatically.

[00:00:49] Autoimmune disorders go away. We know that it's a fantastic approach to, uh, a, uh, uh, elimination diet. But why don't more people [00:01:00] do it. And I'll tell you why they don't do it because it's not the most comfortable thing to get adapted to. Well, we're going to talk about a supplement today that makes all of those obstacles pretty much.

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[00:02:09] Here we go. So today we're joined, rejoined by two returning guests. Of course, uh, Wade Lightheart. And Matt Gallant and they are with the company bio Optum BiOptimizers. I always want to say bio optimizers and put two O's in it. I'm sure I'm not the only person that does that. Right. You're not. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:02:28] And uh, so. It's, it's well understood. And I know that Matt, especially his, been on a lot of podcasts and he is a huge  of both the carnivore slash kedo kind of lifestyle, low carb lifestyle. And I know that you are as well, Wade, uh, because you're more interested in putting good fuel in your body, uh, but not feeling bloated and sluggish.

[00:02:52] The low carb lifestyle. Is emerging as a very important dietary tweak, if you will, [00:03:00] that can enhance longevity, enhance health, reduce inflammation, all these things. But most people don't really do it for very long because they don't feel good on it. Right. Who wants to start with that one, Matt?

[00:03:13] Matt Gallant: [00:03:13] Yeah. So, yeah, so I'll start with kind of how I got started.

[00:03:17] Um, which is, I was 16. A girl told me I had a bubble, but not, not a complimentary.

[00:03:26] Carl Lanore: [00:03:26] I was going to say, that's actually a good thing today, by the way.

[00:03:29] Matt Gallant: [00:03:29] Yeah, that was, that was back then. I know. It was kind of an insult at that time, I guess. Um, yeah, so it was, I think, 190 pounds and I wasn't weightlifting, so decided to lose weight.

[00:03:42] Uh, found the, the Atkins diet started doing that drop down to one 47. So I lost, you know, 40. Three pounds. Wow. And you know, it worked. But then I got really into bodybuilding and, uh, dr more depo squali a [00:04:00] Canadian powerlifting genius. Yeah.

[00:04:04] Carl Lanore: [00:04:04] He's great.

[00:04:05] Matt Gallant: [00:04:05] Yeah. You wrote a book called the anabolic diet. Brought that, and it was just, to me, that was the Holy grail, because now I could build muscle while getting the benefits of keto.

[00:04:16] Right. So did that for three years and was able to go from dug into, keep in mind, the goal was to build muscle one 47 to two 35 and, but I did a lot of mistakes, which we can talk about, but also use it with my friend who was (390) 100-3300 91 pounds. And he dropped 191 pounds in 18 months, you know, so we're talking only for three 91 to 200 in 18 months.

[00:04:39] And that was the exact thing that he did as well. You know, he was doing the anabolic diet, which I think in a lot of ways is a superior version to just doing keyed all the time, which I agree back to later. Yeah, right. Basically, John cyclical keto, um, which again, I think is a much superior thing. But back to your question.

[00:04:59] Which is, [00:05:00] should everybody do this? And the answer is no. And the primary thing is really neutral genomics. And we know there's

[00:05:07] Carl Lanore: [00:05:07] a lot of genes that,

[00:05:09] Matt Gallant: [00:05:09] uh, affect your ability to process fats. Um, primarily if you're Caucasian, if you are Caucasian, next, Julie Kita will perform well for you. People that live, for example, in, uh.

[00:05:24] Tropical environments where there's fruits all the time, or Mediterranean genetics.

[00:05:28] Carl Lanore: [00:05:28] Not saying they can't do it, but

[00:05:31] Matt Gallant: [00:05:31] it might not be optimal. And you know, that's, that's a big one. Of course, your gut biome is another big factor,

[00:05:39] Carl Lanore: [00:05:39] but you know what?

[00:05:41] Matt Gallant: [00:05:41] What's exciting about what's happening these days is the refinement of the Quito.

[00:05:47] Genic lifestyle and diet is going to incredibly high levels because when I started, I was doing dirty Kito. Um, and I didn't know it, you know, it wasn't, that term didn't exist back then, but you know, we eat Atkins bars [00:06:00] and all kinds of garbage like that. I still got resolved, but not like I am today. So we understand it for more than we did back then, which was 23 years ago.

[00:06:11] Carl Lanore: [00:06:11] Just for the edification, even for me, what is considered dirty keto versus just more strict cutover. Yeah. So

[00:06:20] Matt Gallant: [00:06:20] here's something I always tell people, I need your Quito, which is. Everything in moderation, you know? So for example, can you eat nuts? Yes. But don't eat a lot of them. Can you eat veggies? Yes, but not a lot of them.

[00:06:34] Can you eat dairy? Yes, but not a lot of it. And the reason is based on, again, measuring blood ketones for a long, long time. You will

[00:06:45] Carl Lanore: [00:06:45] affect your

[00:06:46] Matt Gallant: [00:06:46] ketosis levels when you, when you eat those things. And you know, my opinion, dirty Quito. Is essentially eating processed food. And you know, right now there's a unparalleled about amounts of Quito [00:07:00] base process available.

[00:07:02] So I think that's probably how I would define it, as in, you know, processed keto ish foods. Um, but in my opinion, to anything that pulls you out of ketosis. I would throw in that basket as well. And that, that includes some nuts and some veggies and some dairy. Um, like if I'm really looking to maximize body fatness, and it's one of the reasons why carnivores become so big, and I was doing carnivore years ago, uh, and it was cycle on and off, but I mean, then when you're cutting all the carbs out and all you're eating is steaks and other.

[00:07:37] Flesh. Uh, the fat loss seems to go to another level. My ketones would go to another level, so that's how I would define a dirty Kito eating. Okay. Too many carbs and even dirtier with processed stuff.

[00:07:51] Carl Lanore: [00:07:51] Now. Now, do people eat dirty Quito or even, you know, I consider low carb anything, a hundred grams of [00:08:00] carbohydrates a day or less, and I qualify those carbohydrates as being low-glycemic.

[00:08:05] I'm not talking about starches and sugars. I'm talking about green leafy stuff that really doesn't contribute a lot. Now, Wade, you're, you're more of a plant based guy, are you? You're low carb guy too, right?

[00:08:17] Wade Lightheart: [00:08:17] Yeah, it's kind of interesting. Um, I do really well on carbohydrates and I struggled metabolizing and digesting fats.

[00:08:24] I just didn't have the, a really good ability. We solve that problem later on, but, so it was something I went to. And interestingly enough, um, I see the benefits of keto and I usually access that through a process of fasting. So for example, right now I do 12 hours of eating. From eight to eight, and then I'll take 36 hours where I don't eat, and I do that three times a week so that I'm getting the benefits of keto, even though I'm on a plant based diet, which is going to be higher in carbohydrates.

[00:08:56] And when I had my, um, [00:09:00] homo, I, our tests done by my naturopathic doctor, Paul Maximus, he, he looked at my. My, uh, which measures blood sugar response and insulin response can measure it. And he's like,

[00:09:15] Matt Gallant: [00:09:15] you've got,

[00:09:16] Wade Lightheart: [00:09:16] you've got more ketones and a better blood sugar response than most people do. Ketogenic diets.

[00:09:21] Right. And, and, and no, dammit. And we also did, um. Uh, we also did a test that measures the pulse test, which measured your denatured proteins relative to heart disease is like, there's virtually no, no chance of me getting diabetes, no chance of me getting heart disease. So

[00:09:39] Matt Gallant: [00:09:39] those are two big killers.

[00:09:41] Wade Lightheart: [00:09:41] And, uh, part of it, part of the reason I was able to.

[00:09:45] Matt Gallant: [00:09:45] To successfully

[00:09:46] Wade Lightheart: [00:09:46] do that was I was able to overcome my digestive deficiencies in the ability to break down fats. Cause I think that's one of the reasons why people struggle with the transition. And Matt and I used to go back and forth with this for years. [00:10:00] And then Matt, you know, always wanting him. And I always want to win the arguments with each other cause we're actually dietary.

[00:10:08] Carl Lanore: [00:10:08] He,

[00:10:08] Matt Gallant: [00:10:08] he, he actually,

[00:10:09] Wade Lightheart: [00:10:09] he, he got into the lab with a bunch of people secretly without me knowing and credit these formulations that may make me, maybe test them in the blind to see the effects of it. And I mean, and he won the argument. So, uh,

[00:10:21] Carl Lanore: [00:10:21] because, because they stopped the, these, these, uh, agents, let's say these agents work.

[00:10:26] So, um, I wanna I want to put an image up first before we start talking about this product, because it is, you know. There's a lot of pixie dust stuff out there, right? You guys know that, right? You know, proprietary blends.

[00:10:41] Matt Gallant: [00:10:41] We, we've consumed a lot of it.

[00:10:42] Carl Lanore: [00:10:42] Yeah. All of us have hoped in a bottle. All of us have.

[00:10:46] Look, if you are serious about trying to make gains and improve your, your body, you're going to try these things. There's no doubt about it. And there's a lot of pixie dust out there. And when I say by pixie dust, I mean not just proprietary blends, but. Ingredients [00:11:00] that showed questionable results, but at doses that are not achievable with the stuff that's in the bottles that you're buying.

[00:11:08] I just want to put this up here. I'm going to, I'm going to put this up as a solo so people can see this. So this is the product we'll talk about today. It's called capex. Did I pronounce it right guys? Capex. You did? Yeah.

[00:11:19] Matt Gallant: [00:11:19] Okay. It's the, it's the apex of ketogenic. Supplements.

[00:11:23] Carl Lanore: [00:11:23] Ah, I love that. I love that.

[00:11:26] That's very cool. So you've got, you've got, um, enzymes in here. Um,

[00:11:32] Matt Gallant: [00:11:32] very special enzyme blend here. This is an enzyme blend designed for ketosis, designed for low carb, designed for paleo,

[00:11:39] Carl Lanore: [00:11:39] and, and, and, and this, this is going to digest plants better too. So you're going to be able to eat. Less plants as your carbohydrate source and extract more out of it.

[00:11:51] It looks like to me. Am I right about that?

[00:11:53] Matt Gallant: [00:11:53] Well, the protein is obviously going to help with, uh, proteins. And, you know, even in, for example, we can talk about this [00:12:00] in a moment. Uh, when you're consuming a lot of plants and vegetarian protein sources, these are not necessarily easy to break down, right?

[00:12:08] Wade's never had digestive issues despite, he needs. These Epic two, three count salads that shocked the cashiers and he pays for them at Erewhon and whole foods. Um, because of this enzyme blend. This is the same enzyme blend as in mass times. It's a little less in terms of the quantity, but the same try phase proteins.

[00:12:28] But the game changer here. Is the light for blend. Those four different light paces, which are very potent to break down the fats into essential fatty acids and glycerol. And you know, that's, that's one of the big challenges a lot of people have. When do you start consuming fats and waves. Got a great story about that and maybe where you want to

[00:12:50] Carl Lanore: [00:12:50] show up, but I want to, I want to just share, I want to just a couch this, and I'm going to leave this image up here while we're talking.

[00:12:56] Um, I want to just couch this in the fact that people always talk about [00:13:00] being fat adapted and not fat adapted and part of it, and I go deep into that. What's that? Can I go deep into that? Because, because the lipase is our why. You're not fat adapted. It's not because your body can't use fat as a substrate.

[00:13:14] It's because your body's not breaking it down to the the levels where it can then be used as a substrate. Am I right or am I wrong about that?

[00:13:23] Matt Gallant: [00:13:23] It's definitely part of it for sure. So let's talk about the four levels of thought adaptation. So Le, so level one is the first 14 days your body's never ever been truly forced to utilize fats as their energy source, cause you've been feeding it glucose since you were a baby.

[00:13:42] Carl Lanore: [00:13:42] Right?

[00:13:42] Matt Gallant: [00:13:42] So that's where people get the keto flu and things like that. Will help dramatically with that. The other thing that can help too is, you know, any ketone salts or ketone Ester, right?

[00:13:54] Carl Lanore: [00:13:54] But, but, but you know why I don't like that math because it doesn't help your body [00:14:00] become adjusted to producing ketones and using ketones.

[00:14:04] It's kinda like, you know, people think that if they take ketones there, you are doing something. You are mitigating some of the struggle of finding a life in ketosis. But you're also not allowing your body to make the transition, which is the whole goal of correct. So, go ahead. I'm sorry. I just wanna throw that out there.

[00:14:24] Matt Gallant: [00:14:24] No, no, you're, you're right on the money. You know? So again, those first two weeks are taking. Three to five capsules a capex. We can talk about those in a second. That is a game changer. The second phase of adoptation is really around the three month Mark, and usually that's when I recommend people start doing cyclical keto because at that point, the fat breakdown.

[00:14:49] Ketone utilization pathways in the body are getting better and better, and you're able to actually consume carbs, glucose, and switch [00:15:00] back and have almost zero ill effect. And for example, I've been doing this for years on Mondays. I still got 0.5 ketone levels in my blood despite the fact I, you know, five, 600 grams of carbs on Sunday.

[00:15:17] And that's, that's kind of a, you know, we talk about metabolic flexibility, the ability to go from glucose to ketones and back and forth. That really started happening around the three month Mark. So as a general rule, our recommend people, Hey, go, go strict keto for 12 weeks. And then after that, let's start, you know, introducing car blows and re feeds, uh, strategically and again with, with purpose.

[00:15:41] And then the third adoptation is usually around 12 months ish. And typically that's where people that are really power athletes are able to perform on ketosis just as good as they could on carbs. So, you know, we all know that there's maybe a 10% [00:16:00] dropoff. Power training and power athletes. That gap seems to be bridged around that.

[00:16:05] And then the fourth level, I've seen some really interesting data, and I know I'm at that level now because I see it in my body where the body actually holds onto glycogen in the muscle, even when you're not eating carbs and you know, you see it cause you're, my muscles are a lot fuller even when I'm depleted than it used to.

[00:16:23] And there's some really interesting, uh. Data and science that I've seen that backs that up. So those are the four stages. But the point is that that capex will help you with, with all these stages, a, both from a digestive perspective as well as an energy perspective. And that's really how we love to use it.

[00:16:42] Um, it's an incredible energy booster. Here's a couple of quick stories. So when I got the samples and it was designed to do this, this is not an accident. We talk about the pathways in a moment, but when I got the samples, I think it was like two or 3:00 PM and I took five caps [00:17:00] and that night it took me a couple of hours to fall asleep.

[00:17:03] I'm like, is it the capex? You know, cause usually, you know, my latent, my sleep latencies, 10 minutes, five minutes, 15 minutes max. I'm like, well, let me repeat that. So I did it again to apply capture one, two, 3:00 PM and I, and I looked at my orange, took me three hours to fall asleep that night. So we know that it does that.

[00:17:20] And you know. Everybody reports more energy from it

[00:17:25] Carl Lanore: [00:17:25] because

[00:17:26] Matt Gallant: [00:17:26] you're breaking down the fatty acids.

[00:17:28] Carl Lanore: [00:17:28] You're driving them

[00:17:29] Matt Gallant: [00:17:29] into the liver, into the muscle at an accelerated rate because of the L-carnitine.

[00:17:36] Carl Lanore: [00:17:36] Then we're

[00:17:37] Matt Gallant: [00:17:37] activating the mitochondria with the coal cutin. We're activating different enzyme enzymes in the liver with the seven Kito DHA.

[00:17:46] We're also activating. The enzymes in amp K with the Inno slim. And then we're actually breaking down a lot more of the fats with the lipase. The dandelion root, [00:18:00] which stimulates bile, the trace minerals, help the HCL, helps the protein. So basically, and you know, we're all about maximizing all three phases of digestion.

[00:18:11] And this does it. One phase one is obviously consuming good food, which we were all about. Phase two is breaking that down with the enzymes, the dandelion root, the HCL, and three is the assimilation, and this is where this product really separates itself. We're driving the fatty acids again into the mitochondria and then accelerating the utilization of those fatty acids in the mitochondria.

[00:18:37] That's where the energy boost comes from.

[00:18:40] Carl Lanore: [00:18:40] Do you think that there could be any contribution from the seven kedo? Because it does, it does improve thermogenesis, and we know that at night when you get ready for sleep, your body temperature actually drops. And could it be the seven kettle could be keeping body temperature elevated enough where you can't fall asleep.

[00:18:58] Matt Gallant: [00:18:58] Well, the seven Keela [00:19:00] DHA is not at a full clinical dose designed to just activate the enzymes. So I doubt it. Um, you do get some heat.

[00:19:09] Carl Lanore: [00:19:09] Uh, my wife

[00:19:10] Matt Gallant: [00:19:10] took some capex yesterday and she's like, man, my, my body's. Warmer, um, which is normal when your metabolism gets ramped up, which, which this does. So again, we're, we're very hesitant to call it a magic fat loss pill, but theoretically this should help.

[00:19:28] And the Inno slim does increase a and P K quite a bit.

[00:19:32] Carl Lanore: [00:19:32] And I want to, I want to show up more about an PK for just a second, because it's a big target of anti-aging right now. But, um, I've will, Sue says this, taking regular exogenous ketones hinder one's ability to make endogenous ketones in the future, or actually at that moment,

[00:19:51] Matt Gallant: [00:19:51] it's a great question.

[00:19:52] We don't know the answer to that. Um. It's a great question though. Well, what does change over time? And this is something that [00:20:00] everybody contests, and this is a, this is a signature of somebody who is more fat adapted. And Dom, Dom D'Agostino talks about this, which is how fast do you burn the ketones?

[00:20:13] Right? So for an example, when we do this really intense, hardcore brain training, once or twice a year, we'll consume. For, for very specific reasons. 50 to 60 grams of ketone Ester is a day, if you know anything about that, it's a, it's a mega dose.

[00:20:29] Carl Lanore: [00:20:29] Yeah, but

[00:20:30] Matt Gallant: [00:20:30] if you're measuring your ketones, let's say every hour, you know, let's say you took somebody who's not fat adapted and you measure your ketones, their ketone levels are going to stay really high in the bloodstream and they're not going to drop that fast versus mine.

[00:20:44] You're going to see a really quick decline because. Your body's ability to burn them is a lot higher. And that's one of the reasons people, when people are longer on ketosis, they're measuring their blood ketone levels. And you're saying, well, I

[00:20:58] Carl Lanore: [00:20:58] can't get above two.

[00:21:00] [00:21:00] Matt Gallant: [00:21:00] Well, guess what? That's a good thing.

[00:21:01] Over time you should be lower and lower because your body's just

[00:21:07] Carl Lanore: [00:21:07] earning the money. And that makes perfect sense because if you're taking exogenous ketones and you know. Taking five grams of ketone esters, especially like the V Chester's produces this much of a rise in in blood ketone levels, but you on the other hand, can't get it above 50% of that.

[00:21:25] It means that your body's burning it up. That's really interesting. If you're watching the show right now. And you like it, start a watch party. There's a little button down at the bottom of the screen. You can click or just invite some friends to watch it with you because they'll get something good out of it, I promise you.

[00:21:41] Um, so getting back to the, uh, the product itself, it also does break down protein, right? And that's another contributor to being successful at a low carb diet in general. Right. Who wants to take that one? Do you want to take that weight or. Sure.

[00:21:59] Wade Lightheart: [00:21:59] So [00:22:00] when people are looking at breaking down protein in a diet and as you increase your protein intake, cause usually, you know, people are relying on, uh, you know, meats and things like that.

[00:22:10] And some people have a hard time with that chain, Justin, or they feel that stuck in their stomach feeling when they have that big steak or whatever. And it becomes discomfortable. Oftentimes what we have found, um, based on. Dr. Edward House research, where he did a food enzymes for health and longevity as well as enzyme nutrition.

[00:22:29] He demonstrated the the average person when the time they hit 40 has less than 30% of the enzymatic production capacity. No enzymes are responsible for everything from thinking to blinking in your body. There's over 25,000 enzymatic processes. And what's interesting when you dive into his research, which he.

[00:22:47] Tested so many different animals and people and everything else over decades and decades is that proteolytic production, proteolytic enzyme production starts to taper off or almost be eliminated by the time a person's [00:23:00] 28 years old as the body is trying to produce its enzymatic reserves or its enzymatic bank account.

[00:23:06] And oftentimes people will notice this, that as they age, they're not able to eat the food that they used to be

[00:23:14] Carl Lanore: [00:23:14] able, well, they.

[00:23:17] Wade Lightheart: [00:23:17] Like, I used to vote for big stakes when I was 22 years old and you know, scarf those down three, four times a week. And now when I eat it, it feels like it's sitting in my stomach.

[00:23:26] Well, the reason why that is, is because they don't have enough proteolytic enzymes. And

[00:23:30] Matt Gallant: [00:23:30] there's. Three

[00:23:32] Carl Lanore: [00:23:32] specific

[00:23:33] Wade Lightheart: [00:23:33] proteolytic enzymes, protease, 3.0 4.5 and 6.0 that are essential in cleaving your proteins and converting them into amino acids. And how that works is when you eat food, like you've got about 30 to 60 minutes.

[00:23:50] Once the food enters into the, into your stomach, where. The enzymes present in the food are supposed to break it down. And unfortunately, humans, we cook all our food and [00:24:00] destroy all the enzymes. So tigers eat the food. Raw bears eat the food raw. Even animal like plant based animals eat the food raw and they get the enzymes

[00:24:07] Carl Lanore: [00:24:07] with it.

[00:24:07] Wade Lightheart: [00:24:07] So what that does is it puts a huge metabolic load on your liver to manufacture more enzymes. That's why people, after I get there, they get the Turkey dinner syndrome, they have the Thanksgiving dinner or whatever, and everybody's bailing for the couch or the or the floor, depending on who got there first.

[00:24:24] Matt Gallant: [00:24:24] Because your body

[00:24:25] Wade Lightheart: [00:24:25] has to take all the enzymatic capacity and shifted out of your brain, ships it out of your organs, shifting of your muscles, and go to your to digest and break down the food that you had because you just had, you know, three servings of a ginormous meal. And so as

[00:24:37] Carl Lanore: [00:24:37] we age, we become

[00:24:39] Wade Lightheart: [00:24:39] more and more dependent or more resistance to breaking down protein.

[00:24:44] So these protease 3.0 4.5 6.9 what those refer to is the mid point. Within the, within the pH level, so your stomach is going to run when hydrochloric acid comes in 30 to 60 minutes, it's going to start changing that pH, [00:25:00] and as that pH gene changes, some enzymes will become activated and other enzymes will become deactivated in those.

[00:25:09] Um, those pH levels. And so most people who take a digestive enzyme, you know, it just says protease on it, right? There's not sufficient amount of proteases in the 3.0 4.5 and 6.0 there's no science. There's no research, there's nothing thrown into. It's like mishmash. And maybe it's all we

[00:25:27] Carl Lanore: [00:25:27] got protease or whatever.

[00:25:28] So

[00:25:29] Wade Lightheart: [00:25:29] the two things that are important is that you have sufficient and numbers, amounts of protease, that when that's measured in a, in a. It's kind of a strange classification called H UTS, which really means that how much digestive power, uh, an enzyme will have. So ideally, you want to have something in a serving size at around a hundred thousand H UTS, and you can basically.

[00:25:51] You could break down just about anything at that level with the correct ratios of 3.0 4.5 and 6.0 and that's how we got to that [00:26:00] particular formulation over the course of the last 16 years to to work that out. And then Matt added the, the lipase component of this. So this is customized for people who are choosing a ketogenic diet.

[00:26:14] Carl Lanore: [00:26:14] And what I want to hit a really good,

[00:26:15] Matt Gallant: [00:26:15] good point related to Quito and protein. And fats. So the classical ketogenic diet, which was, uh, first is really use with people that have seizures. And for example, my niece. Uh, she, she's one of these people and she, you know, she's been on a ketogenic diet since she's been a child, right?

[00:26:40] For those reasons. But the classical ketogenic diet is extremely high fat, right? It's, you know, 70, 80% fat and maybe 20, 25% protein. The rest is carbs. Now going back to the phases, once you're in phase two, are going to come the three month Mark and [00:27:00] beyond. Your body has now learned that it can start using fat for fuel, which is not an easy adoptation to do if you've never gone through that.

[00:27:11] Now, once you're at that phase, you can start reducing fat levels and increasing protein levels, and that's one of the reasons why carnivore is so effective. Uh, but again, I wouldn't start somebody off on corner board right out of the gate. You know, give yourself three months, eat more fast, and, and you know, that can be, can you do it on a carnival?

[00:27:34] Yes. But make sure it's really fatty cuts. The ribeye you eat, you eat those fat chunks, you know, you eat the lamb with the fat, you eat duck, you're really, really

[00:27:44] Carl Lanore: [00:27:44] poor. And we learned that from Stefan's son and his, uh, his, his experiments at Bellevue after he lived with the Inuits and he was doing great.

[00:27:52] On basically a carnivore diet. Then when he went to Bellevue and he tried to duplicate his, uh, his results with the Inuits, [00:28:00] he only ate lean muscle meat. He got very sick very, very quickly. Yeah.

[00:28:05] Matt Gallant: [00:28:05] Well, you still, no matter what, even if you start leaning out your cuts, you still want to be eating fatty things.

[00:28:11] I mean, I don't, I don't ever recommend people eat chicken or Turkey on the keto diet, for example. I mean, maybe once in a while as a treat, but that's it. So my point is.

[00:28:22] Carl Lanore: [00:28:22] As you're getting fat adapted,

[00:28:23] Matt Gallant: [00:28:23] you can start increasing your protein dosage. And you know, uh, one of my old coaches, Kevin Weiss, he would get shredded where you compete with them, uh, the natural bodybuilding days, and he would get shredded.

[00:28:36] Doing that. So he would start reducing his

[00:28:39] Carl Lanore: [00:28:39] fat.

[00:28:40] Matt Gallant: [00:28:40] He would keep his calories around the same, but start increasing the protein and decreasing fat.

[00:28:45] Carl Lanore: [00:28:45] And that's a classic,

[00:28:46] Matt Gallant: [00:28:46] you know, get rip bodybuilding approach. Even with carbs. A lot of coaches, they'll start with more higher percentage of carbs, and as they're dieting down, they're cutting down the carbs and increasing the protein because we know that you know it, your [00:29:00] body burns more energy when you're increasing protein and you're decreasing kind of the energy.

[00:29:05] Coming in. So just in terms of a of a fat loss approach, uh, it's a good move. And this, one of the reasons why corner board does work well, you know, switching from kind of classical Quito to corner board, but the enzymes are

[00:29:19] Carl Lanore: [00:29:19] always a huge

[00:29:20] Matt Gallant: [00:29:20] component of that, you know, cause ultimately, again, it's not just the proteins that you're consuming.

[00:29:25] Are you breaking them down and is your body assimilating them as muscle tissue or the fatty acids as fuel?

[00:29:32] Carl Lanore: [00:29:32] Um, we have to take a quick commercial break. And when we come back, we're going to talk about amp PK for a moment because amp PK is an interesting molecule that seems to be all the rage amongst the anti aging community.

[00:29:44] It's all about pushing down M Tor and raising and PK. And this supplement actually raises amp K pretty dramatically when you look at the numbers. And so I want to talk about how that fits in, not just to the low carb. Lifestyle, but just to the healthy lifestyle in [00:30:00] general, if you're somebody who wants to live a low carb lifestyle, there's a lot of scientific reasons that show you should.

[00:30:07] Uh, especially when you're an old guy like me, 62 years old, I do wear, I do very well on low carb. When I eat high carb, high starchy carbs, I just don't feel good. And I might, my joints hurt more. I mean, this is not my, my imagination. We know this is true, but if you somebody who wants to. Endeavor, the low carb lifestyle, the keto lifestyle, or even the carnival lifestyle, and you want to have greater success at it.

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[00:30:50] You can save up to 42%. That's almost half off of this supplement to give it a try. Uh, and so Elise has been using it and [00:31:00] she noticed that she took it late at night and she couldn't sleep. And she said, she think it's this. I says, I don't know. Since you already covered that, so clearly it energizes you and people are looking for more frigging energy.

[00:31:11] Take it from me. I want more energy. And especially since I've given up caffeine. Um, this is a great product. It's worthy of your, your, uh, interest. K, energize.com/shr code. SHR choose a purchase option up to 42% off. We're going to take one quick commercial break, and when we come back, we're going to talk about, uh, uh, something amp K, uh, because it's, uh, it's something that's been very, very interesting amongst those of us who've been following anti-aging.

[00:31:41] So stay tuned. We'll be right back.

[00:31:47] You were listening to the superhuman channel. Don't hate us because we feel good.

[00:32:02] [00:32:00] Talk about an amazing supplement. If you are somebody who is interested in the low carb lifestyle. We have a question from David. We'll get that up here just a minute. Let's talk a little bit about. And PK for a second. It's become a very, very interesting topic because the anti aging community is all about turning off mTOR and turning up and PK.

[00:32:20] Explain to the listeners what amp K is and why it's important that this particular supplement really turns it on in a, in a, in a highway.

[00:32:30] Matt Gallant: [00:32:30] Yeah. So just to kind of. Piggyback off what you said. There seems to be an inverse relationship between an PK and M tour. Um, so it is an PK is a protein kinase, which plays a role in cellular energy, and it seems to activate glucose and fatty acid uptake when a cellular energy's low.

[00:32:52] So that's, that's one of the reasons why you get an energy boost from it. And you know, when you're, when you're [00:33:00] losing body fat, when you're. Uh, low in calories and PK tends to go up. We know when we consume protein, mTOR goes up. So again, when you're fasting and PK goes up, and that's kind of the relationship, and I'm not a believer this as a quick side note that you should try to just.

[00:33:18] You know, crack and pee, kill time or meaning, and avoid enter activation. I

[00:33:24] Carl Lanore: [00:33:24] think it very misguided

[00:33:25] Matt Gallant: [00:33:25] genetically. Yeah. I think you got to go back and forth.

[00:33:28] Carl Lanore: [00:33:28] Yes. And there's evidence of that. We talked about a study a couple of years ago that showed that, um, that baseline autophagy, which happens all the time but is spiked during fasting.

[00:33:41] Contributes to pro the protein synthetic response, but only when there is a low and a high if autophagy is turned on all the time at the same level, we don't see this improvement in protein synthesis. So the reason why, if you reasoning and you're [00:34:00] thinking about it, you think, Oh, because the body likes this oscillation, right?

[00:34:03] It likes to make a little mess and then clean up a little mess and make a little mess and clean up a little mess. And these people who are so misguided. That are on Metformin because they just want to crush M tour because they're going to live forever.  it's not gonna work. And you know, the funny thing is we have no human evidence that this idea of crushing M tore all the time is effective at anything except.

[00:34:28] Losing muscle. We see this people who, you know, and I got guys that are juiced that they say, well, I'm taking Metformin. Well, yeah, you shooting a gram a week, like big deal, like you think that you're really getting, because I even asked dr  this question. I said, Dr. Black and slowly, if I take rep myosin and I also eat 400 grams of protein a day.

[00:34:50] Am I going to suppress mTOR or is the net effect that the protein and the leucine is going to turn on him? He goes, no one's looked at that, of course, because it's, if you, you [00:35:00] can take six milligrams of rapid myosin a day and he'd 400 grams of protein and guess what? You're going to turn on him tour. So it's, yeah.

[00:35:10] Matt Gallant: [00:35:10] No. And again, it's our opinion that, you know, cycling between periods of a top Fuji and periods of anabolic ism is the natural design of the human body. I mean, go back. Going back to. The caveman days would be probably days and weeks and maybe even months where you had the fast, cause there's no food and then very anabolic periods where you would find an or kill an animal or find a fruit tree and Gorge, and I'm a big believer again, for most people that have the genetics for it.

[00:35:38] Then going in, cycling between fasting and feasting is, is a natural thing. And that's why I'm a big fan of the cyclical keto diet.

[00:35:49] Carl Lanore: [00:35:49] And you know what else supports that? I had a doctor on one of the guys who really changed. There's several people that changed the direction of the show. The first guy was Randy Roach, my great friend [00:36:00] from, from, uh, I believe he lives in Calgary.

[00:36:03] He wrote the three volumes of muscle smoke and mirrors, which gave us a view on the historic influences of bodybuilding on nutrition and physical culture. Uh, but another book was of doves, diplomats, and diabetes by dr Melinda Wafi in India. The book shows. His research shows that fasting and feasting is critical.

[00:36:27] Number one. And uh, danger or risk plays a very, very big role in what your body does with the food after you eat it. And it makes perfect sense. He says, from an evolutionary perspective, we never had refrigerators. We had to go out and find food, and that was a lot of risks because we could become food.

[00:36:47] And so that risk component actually releases peptides in the brain that boat's suppress fear but influence nutrient partitioning better than any nutrient partitioning [00:37:00] supplement you're going to buy on the market. And so, you know, he was a big proponent of like, what you do for your exercise has to have a little bit of risk.

[00:37:08] Maybe it's sprinting and you're worried that you're going to pull hamstring, or maybe it's being down in that hole with 700 pounds on your back and hoping you could come back out. And that is a critical part of our makeup. And we've ignored it. We go to the refrigerator, there's no risk in that. So we have a question from David.

[00:37:26] Uh. Ram bat, and let me just get this up. He says, I've been taking P three O M and mass time together to pill dose with meals at bed and at bedtime. Seen great results with just a little over a week dropping 10 pounds. That's impressive. Flatter stomach and lower blood of food intake. How would I decide on mass Syme or this product longterm combined with

[00:37:56] Who wants to take,

[00:37:56] Matt Gallant: [00:37:56] I would, I would just say depends on how [00:38:00] he's eating. Um, if, if he's Quito, I'd probably use capex. If he's eating some carbs, I'd probably use mass signs. So even, even look hard Bish um, like if you're eating a hundred grams, I mean, depends, if a lot of people, and you know, weight is doing this, and I'd love to hear weights.

[00:38:21] Spirits. Um, cause you, Wade does eat more carbs than I do. Obviously. You know, you can use capex just as an energy booster, three to five caps, usually about 51 cap every 50 pound of body weight. First thing in the morning, you're going to get eight to 10, maybe even 12 hours of increased energy without taxing the adrenals, which is huge.

[00:38:45] Uh, so maybe ways you can address that

[00:38:47] Carl Lanore: [00:38:47] content. I'm taking it tomorrow morning now. I'll talk about it on tomorrow show cause I need energy right now. I've cut out caffeine, so I'm going to take five caps tomorrow morning. Okay. Yeah, go ahead. Wait, sorry about that.

[00:38:58] Wade Lightheart: [00:38:58] Yeah, you'll love it. You'll love it. So [00:39:00] again, like Matt said, I have a much harder carb intake being on a plant based diet.

[00:39:05] And I take. For capex every single morning for sustained energy throughout the day. I, I tried doing like four and four doing like four at 8:00 AM and like four at noon. I get too much. Like, it's like I got gotta wheel that back because I'd be up, you know, where I'm roaming around at midnight, feeling like, what can I do?

[00:39:26] Right? Not a stimulation. So I think what people mistake. Uh, the big mistake a lot of people fall into is they rely on stimulants of the central nervous system and the adrenal response, which has a limited cycle. And I've burned myself on that. And pretty much everybody that's a, you know, like a caffeine, a haul like has gone down that route.

[00:39:49] You just need bigger and bigger dosages until somebody taps out. So, um, so.

[00:39:56] Matt Gallant: [00:39:56] When I

[00:39:56] Wade Lightheart: [00:39:56] started using capex. What was beautiful about that? Cause I went [00:40:00] off all caffeine products for a little over a year as I was recharging my adrenals from burning them out. Capex became the bridge. And the other thing I want to add to that is a side note, which is not really to summit, but I'm talking about the metabolizing as fats as a fuel because that will

[00:40:16] Carl Lanore: [00:40:16] all

[00:40:20] Wade Lightheart: [00:40:20] cause, I mean 36 hours where I'm not eating at all. All's I do is I take my four capex in the morning, that's it. And I'm able to run my business. I'm able to go on three, four hour hikes. I'm able to do my workouts with no food, nothing, because I'm so much more fat adapted. Because early on before I had that, Matt used to, you know, trying, we do these experiments, okay, can we do the ketogenic diet and kid anchors and fats?

[00:40:44] And as soon as I got my fats, you know, up to maybe. 50 60 grams, and I would take a, you know, various, uh, try different ones. I'd start getting fats in my stool,

[00:40:55] Carl Lanore: [00:40:55] right? I

[00:40:57] Wade Lightheart: [00:40:57] wasn't digesting it and I, you know, I [00:41:00] just didn't feel good and stuff. And so I did an X when I'm doing these.

[00:41:05] Matt Gallant: [00:41:05] Key to

[00:41:05] Wade Lightheart: [00:41:05] the cycling diet. Now I'm taking in a lot more fats than I ever did before with no digestive stress.

[00:41:13] So I know that that product is really helping me digest the fats because I wasn't available. And of course, that

[00:41:19] Matt Gallant: [00:41:19] leads you to

[00:41:19] Wade Lightheart: [00:41:19] be able to metabolize fats inside your system because your body, any enzyme that it doesn't use in the digestive process.

[00:41:28] Matt Gallant: [00:41:28] We believe

[00:41:29] Wade Lightheart: [00:41:29] actually turns into a systemic enzyme. In other words, it'll assist in enzymatic processes based on the pathway.

[00:41:35] So fat,

[00:41:36] Matt Gallant: [00:41:36] like light,

[00:41:37] Wade Lightheart: [00:41:37] lipolytic enzymes, they'll go down fat pathways, proteolytic enzymes will go down, protein pathways, amylase will go down and carbohydrate pathways inside the systems, uh, cause you don't find enzymes in the stool. Generally, if you take even mega doses. Of enzymes, which is very interesting about how your body will just hang on and preserve these,

[00:41:58] Carl Lanore: [00:41:58] put them somewhere.

[00:42:00] [00:42:00] Matt Gallant: [00:42:00] They'll put them somewhere

[00:42:00] Wade Lightheart: [00:42:00] because they're so sensitive. I mean, they're essential from everything from thinking to blinking. And so when you do not have enough enzyme presence, guess what? You just lower the amount of checks, metabolic checks that you can write out of your body. And so that's the other.

[00:42:16] Outside benefit out of just pure digestion that people have to understand when you're taking a an enzymatic supplementation.

[00:42:23] Carl Lanore: [00:42:23] If you're listening to this show right now and you're thinking to yourself, well, what does Wade examine his stool? You can tell this fat in your stool if it floats. So I had an, I had a teacher, a biology teacher, tell my son chase when he was in school and a middle school that, uh, I guess one of the kids says, why does my poop float sometimes?

[00:42:43] And he says, Oh, there's air caught in it. And I said to my son, that's not why I says, there's fat in it. Fat floats. I said. The more fat you have in your stool, the more your stool will float. So if your stool plummets to the bottom of the toilet bowl, there's no fat in it. But if it hangs around and it kind of bobs [00:43:00] on the top of the water, this fat at it.

[00:43:02] So it's really easy to find that out if you're pooping out fat it during the day, because if it doesn't float, you know it's not fat. Um, so. The, uh, the product that we're talking about. I want to promote it real quick here, uh, before, cause I'm actually using a clock again, like I was when I was on am radio.

[00:43:22] So it's funny because I'm actually trying to tighten up my game a little bit. The product is called capex. And if you go to the website, K energize.com/shr uh, and use the code SHR and choose one of, they have several different options for you to purchase. You can save up to 42% off, which is crazy between you and I.

[00:43:42] Uh, and uh, and it's a really good opportunity. And I like, I literally like when you were talking a second ago, Matt, I was thinking, man, I wish I could go home and go to sleep now. Wake up tomorrow morning cause I want to take five of these in the morning and see what it feels like because this could be the answer that I've been looking for for that little bit of [00:44:00] energy in the morning.

[00:44:01] Without a stimulant. This, this, this, I'm so excited about this. So I will be using it first thing in the morning. I will talk about it on tomorrow's show. Um. K, energize.com/shr code SHR up to 42% off. Go check it out. And I want to put this back up because what David said he's going to do is he's going to use it in the morning and then he's going to continue to use his  and his mass time later in the day.

[00:44:26] And I think that makes perfect sense because after hearing about the energizing effect, you don't want to use this throughout the day, especially with your last meal, because you want to get to sleep. So this is like usually one cap.

[00:44:38] Matt Gallant: [00:44:38] It's like, let's say you are eating a fatty meal, like one capital will do the trick cause there's so much lipase in it too.

[00:44:43] We designed it that way where like one cap is enough flight to break down almost any meal. So for lunch and dinner, usually one cap and it shouldn't affect sleep too much.

[00:44:53] Carl Lanore: [00:44:53] There is lipase pasted all mushrooms. I see isolated from mushrooms.

[00:45:01] [00:45:00] Matt Gallant: [00:45:01] They are. So when you ferment certain plants, it produced certain enzymes and then you isolate these enzymes and that's how you create enzymes.

[00:45:10] So you're fermenting different plants, depending on what plant you're fermenting, they're going to produce different enzymes.

[00:45:16] Carl Lanore: [00:45:16] Tony Gibson says, does it help you focus and digest foods? Yeah, it does, right? I mean, it helps focus, but it also increases digestion, but it also increases thermogenesis. I mean.

[00:45:27] It's really an amazing supplement when you, when you really think about it, it's doing everything that people want. People want to digest their food, they want to burn more fat, and they want to have energy. The only thing if you, if you put just a tad C Alison it, you'd have the greatest product in the world and it gives you, it gives you an erection.

[00:45:45] It's like I'm burning fat. We could call it the svelte pill. Then if you would add just a little bit of Cialis to it, right, cause you'd be, you'd be lean and you'd be ready. There you go. We've got to take one minute. I'm sorry. Go.

[00:45:59] Matt Gallant: [00:45:59] Well, [00:46:00] this one, one quick tip as far as focused nutritional tip. Is, uh, you know, when your brain runs out of Coleen, you, it's hard to focus.

[00:46:07] So just eating more eggs, uh, starting your day off with, with six eggs, uh, goes a long way to replenish Coleen levels. So

[00:46:16] Carl Lanore: [00:46:16] I start off with five, but often I have eggs for dinner as well. I probably go through at least a dozen eggs a day on, on the normal. All right. We're going to take one quick commercial break.

[00:46:25] We'll be right back. We'll wrap this discussion up later in the show. I'm going to tell you, I've asked the question, does the CDC make money on vaccines? Oh boy, do they, and in the world of science, that's called a conflict of interest because they also dictate that people use them. Stay tuned. This is the superhuman channel doing reps with the weight of the world.

[00:46:49] Welcome back. So I got a couple things to put up here. So first of all, acknowledging his question, he said, yes, that is what I needed. Thank you for answering [00:47:00] it. And then he also said, love your shows. I've OHSU, who lives far away. Uh, he said he just ordered six bottles. Awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you for patronizing the sponsors because they make the show possible.

[00:47:14] I've been saying that for years. Um. And look. He said it's a good deal too. He bought six bottles and it's a good deal. So there you go. How do you like that? So take advantage of it. It's a great product. These are, these are well thought out supplements. When you look at the. List of ingredients and the supplements that BiOptimizers produces it.

[00:47:33] There is no pixie dust, then it's not some obscure study and one thing, and it's like, Oh, well, we're just going to leverage this. This is it. I mean, there's a lot of thought that goes into the synergistic effects of multiple ingredients. And then when you look at the dosages, you realize that these are dosages that work in humans, not in rodents, you know?

[00:47:53] So it's, um, it's really good to patronize a company. That isn't trying to take [00:48:00] advantage of your naivete about supplements, but actually deliver something that provides a benefit. And so I, you know, I, I commend you guys. I know I said that last time, but it's the truth. I mean, I look at supplements, I get bottles of stuff sent to me all the time.

[00:48:12] Truthfully, I throw most of it right in the garbage cause I'm not going to take it. Uh, I'm not, I'm not going to take it because. I don't see a reason to take it. Um, but I use all your products. I use, I use the , I use the mass time. I love it. And now I see tomorrow morning I'll be using the capex. So there you go.

[00:48:31] So, uh, in summary, how long can you take capex? Does it something that you should, um, Oh, here, what's the website called? Uh, con, thanks for being here, brother. Hope you're doing well. Uh, I think the website is. Yeah, I'm going to put it up. It's K energize.com/shr and use the code SHR for up to 42% off. Uh, check it out.

[00:48:57] And, uh, I know you and I probably have a lot of the [00:49:00] same goals. You're not as old as me, Khan. I know that. I know that. I'm not saying that. Don't get me wrong, he'll get mad at me. But, um, D is this something you have to cycle on and off from time to time? First of all,

[00:49:12] Matt Gallant: [00:49:12] anytime you're considering taking something, you know, you always want to think, am I hitting receptors?

[00:49:19] If you are hitting receptors, for example, caffeine, we know that it hits her receptors, and that's why getting keeping reason, the dosages

[00:49:26] Carl Lanore: [00:49:26] with this product,

[00:49:28] Matt Gallant: [00:49:28] you're not hitting any receptors, so there's no real. A adoptation that's going to happen. In other words, if, if you take it, you know, for, for two months, three months, people still get the energy boost from it.

[00:49:40] Um, again, cause we're not taxing adrenals, we're not hitting receptors and then releasing adrenaline and cortisol was stuff that would happen with the caffeine, for example. So as far as what we've seen, uh, zero adaptation, so you can continue using it with no issues day in and day

[00:49:55] Carl Lanore: [00:49:55] out. Yeah. Yeah. One thing

[00:49:57] Wade Lightheart: [00:49:57] I'd like that I'd like to add to that, Carl, if you don't mind, [00:50:00] and this is something that I really believe is so critical in understanding nutrition in that enzymes and probiotics are a natural part of the normal food consumption component through all animal species.

[00:50:17] But with modern food production and distribution, we've eliminated those essential elements to life. And I feel that our food, our definition of food has really hamstrung people because it's normal and naturally to be consuming enzymes and probiotics with every single meal that we eat. That would be our normal state.

[00:50:39] Matt Gallant: [00:50:39] And we've

[00:50:40] Wade Lightheart: [00:50:40] stripped that out and we haven't readjusted based on science as it is today. And so for

[00:50:46] Matt Gallant: [00:50:46] people who ask

[00:50:47] Wade Lightheart: [00:50:47] about should I take enzymes and probiotics all the time? Well, of course you should because that's the natural state of health. Evolve to enjoy, to enjoy food. Same as animals. And we're just, you know, animals with big

[00:50:59] Carl Lanore: [00:50:59] brands.

[00:50:59] Like [00:51:00] should I breathe there? Should I be there? Yeah, you probably should. You know, it's like when it, and I get it, cause people are, so, there's two types of people out there and I get emails and questions for people all the time about their health. And I love helping people. I gotta be honest with you.

[00:51:15] Elisa says to me, Oh my God, you know, you spent so much time answering questions, and it's like, well, I'm just happy that people want to talk to me, and that's fine. Um, but the reality is there's two types of people that contact me. Um, Hey, should I start taking da TA? I don't know what your blood work look like.

[00:51:33] You know what I mean? Like, there are some things vitamin D. DHA or any type of hormone, like, okay, go get some blood work done. If you want to supplement, supplement, if you determined that you're deficient and then supplement until you're in a range that we established humans do well in. Uh, but then there's the other, the other people who don't want to take any supplements at all.

[00:51:57] Because they, they're, they feel like [00:52:00] if they include something, you know, now it's like, okay, what are you including? And when you talk about probiotic, you talk about enzymes. It's like saying, should I eat celery or not? Why not? I mean, salary is, is eaten by humans for thousands of years. Why not? It's not something that you need to know whether or not you're deficient in it.

[00:52:19] And I think enzymes and probiotics fall into those, those classes because. You know, let's not forget, you go to a place like, um, um, Oh, what's the name of it? Uh, the steakhouse. I can't think of it. I used to go there when I was a kid, the steakhouse in, uh, in New York. But if you, you go to a fine steakhouse where they age their meat, guess what's on that meat?

[00:52:42] There's Biotics on that meat. That's what's making it tenderize. It's probiotics. You could call it probiotics. They're microbes, and that's what tenderizes the meat. And so then you say, Hey, I want to, I want a rare T-bone where you want the 35 day age one. Yeah. And they bring that out to you. You're [00:53:00] eating microbes along with your meat, and that has happened for thousands of years.

[00:53:05] So you're absolutely right. I mean, the idea that people think that, Oh, I don't want to take this because it's an enzyme. Your body's going to save it if it didn't need it, it's going to use it someplace else. If you can digest your food on your own, it'll use it someplace else. We know systemic enzymes have amazing benefits.

[00:53:21] Well, these are basically systemic if you're not using them to digest food. Exactly.

[00:53:27] Matt Gallant: [00:53:27] But it was the steakhouse Lugers.

[00:53:29] Carl Lanore: [00:53:29] Yeah, Peter Luger's. I couldn't think of it.

[00:53:32] Matt Gallant: [00:53:32] I haven't been there yet. I want to go to, it's one of my, like New York. Google maps list of places.

[00:53:39] Carl Lanore: [00:53:39] When I lived in New York, we used to go there periodically and the state true.

[00:53:42] Amazing. And they have, they have their own aging area where they keep their steaks to age. Excuse me. So I want to wrap this up. Did we miss anything about this supplement today?

[00:53:59] Wade Lightheart: [00:53:59] Well, no. If [00:54:00] there's one thing that I'd like to add, and that is, you know, Matt and I started this whole company as personal trainers and we got addicted basically, just like you have to, to helping people reach a new level of health, vitality and what we call the optimized health, which is a combination of aesthetics.

[00:54:17] Performance and health. We have a triangle that we work on. And one of the things that we made a pledge to ourselves is that we would never compromise our values or never compromise the values of what people are trying to achieve. And so when someone tries one of our products. They when they take their first bottle, if they for any reason they don't like it or it didn't work for them or there, we give them a hundred percent money back guarantee, so we're not, they're not putting at risk.

[00:54:44] We don't want your money if you're not absolutely blown away, but we have an amazing customer service that can answer your specific questions relative to your diet and stuff. I've got over 7,500 answers already built in, and if it's not answered by our [00:55:00] staff, which we've trained, it goes directly to myself.

[00:55:03] Or directly to Matt, and we will answer that question so that you get how to take the product. There's no risk to the product, and you can be confident that it's gonna be something that's been put together well and it's gonna deliver the results,

[00:55:13] Matt Gallant: [00:55:13] or

[00:55:14] Wade Lightheart: [00:55:14] guess what? It's on us.

[00:55:15] Carl Lanore: [00:55:15] Thank you. Thank you for reminding me.

[00:55:16] I've never seen this before on any supplement website. There's a 365 day return. If you're not satisfied with this product. I mean, that's, that's amazing. Now tell now, tell me how often do you see. Them view return

[00:55:36] Matt Gallant: [00:55:36] to nap percent, which is a fraction of the industry average.

[00:55:41] Carl Lanore: [00:55:41] So, uh,

[00:55:42] Matt Gallant: [00:55:42] they usually, and, and, and, and usually it's because, for example, if somebody thinks they have low enzymes, they might have actually low stomach acid.

[00:55:54] So they might need HCL breakthrough instead of mass signs. So that's [00:56:00] typically a, people are misdiagnosing or digestive issue, whether it's, you know, stomach acid or enzymes or the probiotics. When people have digestive distress, it's usually one or two out of the three. So people might just choose the wrong product.

[00:56:16] And then as a side note to another thing we do, which I don't believe any other supplement company in the world does. If somebody contacts us and says, Hey, you know, I ordered HCL breakthrough and it's not solving my problem, we will ship them mass signs or  depending on what we think the answer is, we'd no charge.

[00:56:38] Carl Lanore: [00:56:38] They can try out.

[00:56:39] Matt Gallant: [00:56:39] Yeah. And then usually that solves that issue. Yeah,

[00:56:42] Wade Lightheart: [00:56:42] we call

[00:56:43] Matt Gallant: [00:56:43] it, we'll fix your gut, we'll fix your digestion

[00:56:45] Wade Lightheart: [00:56:45] guarantee. I like that

[00:56:47] Carl Lanore: [00:56:47] Veda Veda put up the we have, and I just want them to know that we've been running it at the bottom of the screen, uh, throughout the interview. Veda, thank you for coming over and, uh, and, and making sure I had the right URL there.

[00:56:59] It's K [00:57:00] energized.com/shr if you use the code SHR, depending on the, uh, pricing model you choose, you can save up to 42%. And as you can see, I've OSU. Said, he bought six bottles during the show and he did say that it was a great deal. So there you go. So, and 365 day return policy, how, you know, come on, like try it on us.

[00:57:23] That's basically what they're saying. Try it on us. I love it. I love it. Um, that's it for this interview. I appreciate you guys being here. I appreciate you guys, uh, supporting the show, especially because it's hard for me to find sponsors that I, I, I trust. And I respect and have products that I feel like I'm not selling out by promoting.

[00:57:45] And you guys helped me fulfill that need. But I'm going to let you guys go now because I'm going to do a rant and I don't want to splash any of my crazy on you, uh, just to make sure that the audience understands that when I come back, it's going to be [00:58:00] me talking about. Uh, the money that the CDC makes on vaccines.

[00:58:05] It's crazy. And we have to question this because in the science scientific community, this is called a conflict of interest. So it is something that is important. Uh, but we'll be right back with more super Yuma radio. Please stay tuned. And here we go.

[00:58:26] You were listening to the superhuman channel. We're ripped and we're ready.

[00:58:37] welcome back.

[00:58:41] I don't want anybody to recognize me. People go say I'm crazy not true. So last week on a show. At the end of a show. I did my little covert 19 update rant thing. I asked a simple question, do we know how much money the CDC [00:59:00] makes on vaccines because they own like 28 or 30 vaccine patents now and I? I said, well, maybe they own them so other countries can't own them and then hold us hostage to get them.

[00:59:17] That would be a noble reason. They'd say, Oh, no. We want them to be American. We want to own those patents so that we have control over them. So no country like China could ever have the patent on and say, no, we're not selling it to you. That would be a novel and noble reason. But I asked the question, or do they make money?

[00:59:37] Um, since tax payer dollars fund these government agencies, the people own those patents really right. And if the people on those patents, then we shouldn't have to pay hardly anything for vaccines at all. And in fact, if they are being [01:00:00] sold or licensed to vaccine companies, pharmaceutical companies, then we should see profit from that trickled down to all the taxpayers who are funding those government agencies with their tax dollars.

[01:00:17] And so I asked, I said, boy, I wish I had somebody that could do some investigative reporting for me. Um, I couldn't find any information, but I would love to know if the CDC actually profits from vaccine sales. And if so, where do those profits go? Well, uh, one of my listeners, she's actually been on the show.

[01:00:38] She's a. A woman who found Olympic lifting late in life, and she was on an episode of muscle saves lives probably a few years ago. Her name is Lynn, right? And she lives in Tucson, Arizona. She took it upon herself to do a little research for me. So [01:01:00] here's what she found initially. She found that Bobby Kennedy is quoted as saying, the CDC is basically a vaccine company of its $11 billion budget.

[01:01:14] 5 billion comes from vaccine sales. So almost half of the money the CDC gets every year comes from the sale of vaccines. That's not a terrible thing, right? It's like, okay, so they are selling those vaccines and they're profiting from it, and it's subsidizing the tax dollars that go to make up the other six or $7 billion, uh, that they need to run the CDC every year.

[01:01:47] Not a terrible thing, right? Not really. But then further research, she came up with this, she said, the vaccine patents, [01:02:00] sorry. Wrong one. The vaccine patents appear to be personally owned by employee scientists of the CDC. Wait a minute, could that be true? I haven't been able to fact check it yet, but believe me, I'm going to, because they are, they are employees of a government agency, so that means that we pay their salaries with tax dollars and the CDC makes money on the sale of vaccines.

[01:02:29] Okay, so why would they personally profit from it? I know the guy who worked for 3m who came up with the post it note and didn't pay it personally, profit from the billions of dollars that they made on the post. It note over decades of time, because see, the three of them said, no, you work for us.

[01:02:48] Everything you did, all of the intellectual work you did belongs to us because we were paying you a salary to do that. You're not an entrepreneur. These scientists aren't entrepreneurs. They work for government agency, [01:03:00] but there's something I think I have a bigger problem with than any of that. These scientists at the CDC, they recommend vaccine policy.

[01:03:16] They approved vaccines. Maybe they rushed them through. They prove them too fast. They suggest vaccines. They put out the advisory messages that everybody should get a flu vaccine. Everybody should get the human papillomavirus vaccine. Everybody, and soon everybody's supposed to get the coronavirus vaccine in the world of science.

[01:03:43] This relationship is called. Conflict of interest. Why? Because you have a vested interest, a financial interest in these vaccines being approved and then getting people to pay for them. [01:04:00] That doesn't work in science. In fact, when a study comes out on a supplement and it seemed that it's been paid for by a company that sells that supplement, no one takes it seriously because of course now granted the science may be good, but no one takes it seriously.

[01:04:18] Other scientists call that a conflict of interest. It's such a big deal that after about seven or eight years ago. All the papers published. All the peer reviewed papers that are published in different journals must have a conflict of interest statement in it. The scientist involved with this research had no vested interest in the company or the money.

[01:04:39] They didn't make any money from it. They didn't get paid from it. They're not being remunerated. That's how big of a deal is. Every study today. Has a conflict of interest statement. Are these people making money from their opinion or are they not? Because if they're making money from their opinion, most scientists go hogwash.

[01:04:56] Of course it worked out because they're making money on it. [01:05:00] Now this is accepted. You know, we have today, and actually Ken O'Neill was on my show probably seven, eight years ago when we started talking about scientism. Science isn't science anymore. It's a whatever supports. My opinion is the science I will believe in.

[01:05:19] And it's kind of like religion, right? You have Muslims, you have Jews, you have Christians, you have Catholics, you have the Jesuits, you have, you have all these different religions. They all believe that their religion is the right way and yours is wrong. Science is supposed to be

[01:05:36] math. And science is supposed to be more like math. You do something, someone else reproduces it. They all agree that this is how it works. But when there's 10 studies and five lineup on the left and five lineup with opposite opinions on the right, you don't pick the one you like. Further. Science needs to be done.

[01:05:58] Research needs to be done [01:06:00] so that we can find out what the facts are that's not being done anymore. At least not in in the world of vaccines. And the CDC makes money on these vaccines so they have a vested interest in improving them, patenting them, and then selling them to the companies that are going to actually manufacture it.

[01:06:18] That's what they do. That's what this other link is. This link here, I'm going to put it up.

[01:06:24] If you go to this website, cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/v F C slash. AWA. I'm sorry. AWA, R D E S awardees slash vaccine dash management slash price dash list slash index dot eight Temi HTML. I'll put this in the post today. For those of you listening to the show and not watching it on Facebook, if you go to this page, you'll see how much the CDC pays for a [01:07:00] vaccine.

[01:07:01] And then how much you pay for the vaccine. And the margin in between is the money that the Walgreens and those companies make. But the money that CDC puts up, that's their money. That's what they make. So you can look at the spread and again, to go back to exactly what. Robert F. Kennedy jr said, the CDC is basically a vaccine company and have its $11 billion budget.

[01:07:36] 5 billion comes from vaccine sales. This is wrong. This is really wrong. It's wrong because they create vaccine policy. They approve what vaccines are going to be used, and then they profit from that. They have to be separated from this process or they can't make any money at all on it. [01:08:00] Take the research.

[01:08:01] Approve the patents, the co, the government should own the patents, not the people. If that's true, that's really wrong. If those individual scientists are working, who knows? Tony Fowchee could own a couple of patents himself and making money on this. We don't know because they're not transparent about this, but we need to know.

[01:08:20] We need to know, and ultimately they can't dictate vaccine science. And make suggestions on who should be using vaccines if they're making even a nickel on it, because that is how science really works, and our government should be hold to the same standards that average science to star in the world of research.

[01:08:49] No more, no less. So this pisses me off and there's going to be more, I'm going to find out if. Individual scientists [01:09:00] at the CDC actually own, and if that money comes to them or any money, if any, if they get a, uh, a pay raise because their vaccine is being used, that's wrong. They need to be like the guy that invested in, invented the post it note at 3:00 PM his salary didn't change, didn't change.

[01:09:22] Cause he, I know, I know the story. He bitched and moaned that 3m made literally hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars on the post it note. And he didn't get any of it because the patent ultimately was owned by 3m, not him. So we've got to get to the bottom of this. No one is talking about this in the mainstream media.

[01:09:41] No one is asking the simple question. It's a logical question. And if this is the results, we have a big problem at the CDC. Um, that's it for today. Um, please share the show. Uh, help us build the audience. Help more people learn the truth, [01:10:00] and we will see you tomorrow with more super human radio. And thank you for watching and listening. .