[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] Welcome back to another episode of superhuman radio. Today is May 19th, as the month picks away, 62 days into locked down, partial lockdown, quarantine, whatever you want to call it, social distancing due to Corona virus. And it looks like we're going to be coming out of it pretty soon. June 1st the gym's open and I will be able to start feeling like I'm not 62 years old anymore.

[00:00:23] Um. Look at this. Jeff, Jeff, cliff lifting just said super human radio live. One of the two reasons I keep Facebook. Thank you brother. That's a very sweet thing for you to say. Um, we have a great show today. We are surrounded by neuro degenerative diseases today, both central nervous system and peripheral nervous system between people with neuropathies and fibromyalgia and all these other things, and also Parkinson's disease, multiple sclerosis.

[00:00:49] And the list goes on and on. And these issues are rampant in society today, and there are things causing them. There's no doubt about it. But in [00:01:00] order to discover your truth and what's causing it for you, you have to be able to assess what makes it worse and what makes it better. And we're going to give you a tool today to do that, and we're going to give you a price point that if you say no to, you just don't care.

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[00:02:48] And to this day, I still get compliments about that show by people who thought they knew what PMF did and what it didn't do. And then of course, dr Mark, uh, tower doll who was on my show not too long ago talking about [00:03:00] brain health. But from, um, more of a position of recovering from workout to workout and being the best self you can.

[00:03:08] But the reality is that a lot of us may not care about brain health if we think we're doing fine. And that's where in lies the real problem. So I want you first dr Tama doll to talk about the realities of being able to assess your brain's ability to function by using your brain to assess its ability to function.

[00:03:32] Please. Yeah,

[00:03:34] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:03:34] absolutely. Uh, this is actually something that Bob and I talk about all the time. We talked about it on our, we, we co-hosted a show called grumpy science, uh, and basically it's a. We're a couple of grumpy old guys and we get off on topics like this where we start talking about how people have really poor self perception of, you know, basically using self perception as a, as a tool for saying how good are they?

[00:03:59] And it's a little [00:04:00] bit like saying how good your weight loss programs going without weighing yourself or, or measuring yourself in any way. And you know, as you get more and more old and adult and you might. Think you're doing fine, but you're really not, because the thing you're using to measure it with is your own brain.

[00:04:17] And that's really, uh, not, not really a good tool. You know, when it's a, when it starts to fail, but you know, you, you might feel great, might feel great when you take opiates, but that, that tool is not really, uh, at top-notch when you're taking opiates. Cause you know, it's, it's basically a, the self-perceptions gone down quite a bit.

[00:04:37] Carl Lanore: [00:04:37] Well, actually, and so I've noticed this myself. I'll be 62 next month. And I'm definitely, especially with not training for almost two months, I feel old right now. It'll come right back. I know that. But one of the things I've noticed, let's take sleep for instance. Let's say I have two really crappy nights of sleep.

[00:04:56] So let's say this was my baseline before two crappy nights of sleep, [00:05:00] those two crappy nights of sleep, they ended up pushing me all the way down here. Right, right. So now I'm like down here and I feel crappy, but I only go back up after a couple of good nights of sleep, 50% of where I was before. That feels good to me.

[00:05:15] I'm like, Oh, I'm back to normal when I'm really not. I'm not. Our body and our brain adjusts for the new normal. That's what it does, because once you not to sit still and, and, and in place, it wants you to continue on. Bob, you're, you're nodding your head doc. Talk about that. Well,

[00:05:34] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:05:34] you know, sometimes physiologically, sometimes you're, you're, you're set up to detect a level.

[00:05:40] Oh something. And sometimes you're set up to detect a change, and you're talking about how the brain is pretty good at picking up on, on short term changes. Like, I feel better than I did yesterday. Right? It doesn't tell you where you are on an absolute scale, right? That's what you're saying. And it's totally correct.

[00:05:57] Carl Lanore: [00:05:57] Right? And so this is why in order [00:06:00] to conquer a neurodegenerative disease, you can't just go by, man, I feel great today. Oh, I felt like crap three days ago because, and I'm going to give an illustration that we're going to move past this. I've talked about this on the show so many times over the past 14 years.

[00:06:17] I can't bookmark when I've talked about it, but I've always talked about how the brain doesn't have a little brain that sees what's going on in the big brain. This is not a penis joke, by the way. And so, you know, this is, this is, this is the reality of people who wake up in the middle of the night. And, uh, they wake up in a panic state and the first thought that their brain grabs onto was that event that happened yesterday in their life.

[00:06:45] They say, Oh, I understand why I woke up last night. It's because of the stress of that event, not true. 99% of the time, if you have nightmares or you have awakenings in the middle of the night where you're panicked. Wide awake, [00:07:00] adrenaline. You just came out of a hypoglycemic episode. Your brain started to panic.

[00:07:06] It's going, wow, blood sugar is dropping. How do we wake this idiot up? So the adrenal glands will liberate a glycogen from the liver so that we can feel good again. So the bat, the brain panic, number one, but then number two, the brain's role is to assign meaning. And symbiology to things because that's how we bookmark events.

[00:07:28] Oh, dogs bites. Stay away from dogs. Stoves a hot. Well, when the brain feels panic, it just assigns the most recent thing that you felt panicked about, and so you wake up and you go, Oh, I must be waking up because I'm stressed out about work. No. You could have slept right through that had you not had a hypoglycemic episode.

[00:07:48] This is a perfect example in an actual situation that a lot of people are go, wow, that's what's happening to me. Because your brain doesn't have a brain watching what it does because it is the [00:08:00] mechanism that's assessing at the same time regulating. Right,

[00:08:06] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:08:06] right. We, yeah, we talk about this. Um, willing, frog syndrome is a, is a classic thing where you have this slow, long, slow change that you really don't notice, but then all of a sudden, uh, you know, you throw up.

[00:08:20] Throw a frog in a pot of boiling water and kind of water and slowly turn up the heat and it won't even notice that it's being boiled. It's the same thing with your brain. If you have these long term slow changes, you can't, and you don't measure them. You can't tell that there's anything

[00:08:35] Carl Lanore: [00:08:35] wrong. So we are in a world where there's a bumper crop of neurodegenerative diseases.

[00:08:41] You and I, uh, uh, dr Tom, Adele talked about. Multiple sclerosis and symptoms of spasticity in the legs, lack of feeling, and so on and so forth. And some people aren't even being diagnosed with ms. They're just being told they have an autoimmune disorder. But so many people have these issues today [00:09:00] and they don't think about it as a neurodegenerative disease, but in fact, it is, isn't it?

[00:09:06] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:09:06] It is. They are. They basically are. And you know, there's a lot of environmental factors, a lot of, you know, basically, uh, and there's ways to get things better, but you really, you know, when you start doing things, I've met people who tried to do different things to get their neurodegenerative disorders turned around and they, they would try different.

[00:09:27] Uh, things that for a couple of days and they say, yeah, but it didn't work. They changed their diet and say, Oh, they didn't work but it, but if they had been measuring or sometimes when they do measure, they find out there is a slow change and they say, Oh, I actually am improving. And then they continue with whatever change that they've made in their lifestyle and, uh, we're treatment.

[00:09:49] And then that slow change go

[00:09:51] Carl Lanore: [00:09:51] in a positive fashion as well. So will the brain gauge the device that you and Dr. Dennis have, uh, [00:10:00] pioneered here. Uh, which actually allows people to sit at a table with a laptop or desktop computer and do anytime five times a day if they choose to. What it takes hundreds of thousands of dollars of lab equipment to do, which is assess a variety of, uh.

[00:10:19] Skills. Let's say that the brain can be measured on, will it make your brain better just by doing it? Um, that's a little bit like

[00:10:30] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:10:30] saying, uh, if, if I want to measure how strong you are, will lifting weights? Tell me that. And it's like, well, okay, if you go and you lift weights and then we have a pretty good assessment of how strong you are, but if you lift weights once a year, then every year we can tell how strong you are.

[00:10:46] If you lift weights twice a week. Three times a week, you're probably going to get a little stronger. Now, there aren't any practice effects with the brand gauge there, but you can, there's some tests you can actually get better upon. Like for example, the [00:11:00] simple reaction time test, which, uh, a lot of people do is actually a, it's actually considered a speed drug.

[00:11:07] And if you force yourself to do something as quickly as possible and that actually helps improve different brain functions, it improves your information processing speed. If you do that a lot. If you do it two, three times a week, that's going to improve your performance. And, you know, thinking faster is probably a good thing.

[00:11:27] You know, just being faster in general makes you, it makes your brain health better. Uh, this was something that is tried and true and many AF athletics, uh, athletic venues. You know, when I trained, we did speed drills all the time.

[00:11:41] Carl Lanore: [00:11:41] So Dr. Dennis, so theoretically using, using the brain gauge. To assess a baseline function, a functionality of my brain on on several different skillsets.

[00:11:55] Right. Then I can look back and see what changes I make in my life. That could be [00:12:00] my sleep, it could be my giant, it could be whatever. And then I can go back and test again and go, Oh, that helped. Or that didn't help. Isn't that really where the value is, Dr. Dennis?

[00:12:10] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:12:10] Exactly. That's the value. And so what we call it, call it tuning curve.

[00:12:13] And so sometimes you might say, Hey, you know, if I take two shots of espresso in the morning, my brain is really happy and looks really good. I take four. Um. I feel okay, but my brain functions actually getting worse,

[00:12:27] Carl Lanore: [00:12:27] so I want to sleep. I want to stick with,

[00:12:30] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:12:30] well, there's, there's

[00:12:32] Carl Lanore: [00:12:32] good, good,

[00:12:33] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:12:33] there's the other simple thing of, okay.

[00:12:37] You know, essentially biofeedback, right? I mean, to a certain extent. I mean, you're, you're doing something and you're getting feedback. So just the fact that you're closing that loop and you're getting knowledge about how, what your actions are, whatever those things are, nutraceuticals, exercises, meditation, whatever.

[00:12:56] Just the knowledge of the fact that you're headed in the right [00:13:00] direction. Instills confidence or you know, knowledge of the fact that it's not helping you let you put your energy somewhere else. So I think it's a pretty complicated, uh, uh, feedback loop that we're talking about. But the point of the brain is that it gives you that tool.

[00:13:16] It gives you the ability to get feedback. It would be just like if you were lifting weights and you had no idea if somebody blacked it out and you had, you know, in the dark and you were lifting weights in the dark, you had no idea even how much weight you were lifting. It would be that much harder to train.

[00:13:32] Right. I mean, just getting a visual feedback, knowing, you know, Hey, I got two 45 pound plates on there and blah, blah, blah. You know, that makes a difference. And, and knowing, and you having a brain gage where you can actually say, you know, I am getting better and it is kind of fun to see my numbers get better.

[00:13:48] And, and it is cool to know that what I'm doing is help. And that by itself,

[00:13:53] Carl Lanore: [00:13:53] you know,

[00:13:55] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:13:55] it at the very least, it gives you the, uh, incentive to continue [00:14:00] on, which is the number one thing you need to do when you're training. Right? I mean, it's the number one thing you need to do in your exercise.

[00:14:05] Carl Lanore: [00:14:05] Well, and it also, it also at every level, it also, if you can confirm what you're doing is working.

[00:14:11] Then you have the competence to continue on. That's the five point.

[00:14:15] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:14:15] Yeah. You have the, you have the confidence and you feel like you got the payback. You feel like, you know, Hey man, you know, I, I've benched this amount for the first time. I got my 200 millisecond reaction time back for the first time and, you know, 10 20 years I got, you know, but, but you've got to know those things.

[00:14:32] It just really helps to know what your performances and in many areas. You can know your performance very easily by how much, how many plates you're slapping on. You know how big the dumbbells are, your lift, Dan, you know, timing yourself in a sprint. But getting brain function has not really been something that has been possible up until now.

[00:14:55] So this is, this is a way for you to know.

[00:14:58] Carl Lanore: [00:14:58] So I want, I want to mention something. [00:15:00] Why biohacking? Your brain without direction of feedback can actually hurt, not help you. So I've given up caffeine completely. Cold Turkey almost three months ago, but two weeks ago I didn't sleep well and I thought, well, I've given up caffeine for three months, now I'm going to pick up a bang energy drink.

[00:15:21] On the way to the studio. And bang is very strong. It's got, uh, I don't know, two or 300 milligrams of caffeine, anhydrous in it, and it has some other, uh, uh, methylxanthines in it. So it's, it's a really, okay. So I took that drink, and this speaks to something that you talk about, uh, dr Tom huddle about that curve, that reaction curve, you know, so right.

[00:15:45] I took that drink and for the first hour I was just in the zone. Everything was working great, but then all of a sudden I felt kind of weird and, and I can't explain how scary this [00:16:00] happened, what happened. I actually call the Lisa my producer. So I had spent two hours preparing a show that morning. When I came back to look at the show, I thought, that's not the show I'm doing.

[00:16:12] I had a moment that only could be described as dementia. I looked at the show and I said. That can't be the show that I'm doing today. Wasn't I doing a different show? I spent two hours doing all the graphics and everything. I completely didn't, I didn't recognize all the work I had done for two hours.

[00:16:32] Like I got scared. I got what's wrong with me? So I called the lease. I said, what show am I doing today? And she said, you're doing the dah show. I said, okay. And I hung up and I looked at it. I thought, what's going on? It took about 20 minutes. I felt anxiety. I felt this sense of being frozen. My brain being frozen.

[00:16:52] Now you talk about that, right? You wake up in the morning, your reaction time is slow. As you get through the day, it starts to pick up cause you wake up. [00:17:00] But if you become too, if you become too revved up, it gets slow again, doesn't it? If

[00:17:06] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:17:06] slogan right, you get too revved up and your focus gets poor. Is another thing we can measure.

[00:17:13] But you know, your focus, your inability to attend goes down and you get hyper aroused and you can no longer, you can no longer, uh, do the test. So it is performance based, but it gets much worse when you. You know when it rolls off. So I don't know if it leads to dementia every time, but

[00:17:34] Carl Lanore: [00:17:34] so, so no, no, it wasn't, it wasn't dementia obviously, but I had a scary moment where exactly what you said.

[00:17:39] I became so hyper aroused that I couldn't connect recent memories and you know, they always assign recent memory storage with dementia. And I made me think about dementia in a different way. It's like I had enough caffeine to power a small city. Why wasn't I connecting these thoughts? Why did I look at something I spent two hours working on and not recognize it?

[00:18:00] [00:17:59] That was a scary moment for me, and that's when I realized, no more caffeine. I'm not going to do that experiment again. So Jeff Clifton says he has an EEG feedback through his muse headbands, but it varies daily. I can't get a longitudinal look. Can you talk about that as compared to, um,

[00:18:18] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:18:18] no. Well with the brain gauge, you do get a longitudinal look.

[00:18:22] I mean, it's, uh, basically the, the big strength of the brain gauge is that it allows you to track your brain health history and the brain gauge. What we do with the brain gauges. We'd deliver multiple tests, and that's one thing that's slight, that's pretty different from most other methods is that we are testing multiple functionality.

[00:18:42] It is a performance task, but there's multiple performance tasks. And each one is connected to a different mechanism, a different feature, a brain information processing. So, and then when you combine all those, that's what gives you the overall measure of brain health and, [00:19:00] uh, and that overall brain health can be tracked longitudinally.

[00:19:04] And that's really the most useful part is actually in, and then you can break it down. If you see that your score is going down, it might be just one of the scores that's driving all the others. And you can actually look at that and see, well, what exactly is the mechanism that's, that's been influenced the most?

[00:19:22] Carl Lanore: [00:19:22] So the Ivo Sue was asking me if I think it was too much glutamate. It could have been absolutely, but, and but GABA I've experimented with is I had a bad event recently with taking way too much glycine. And GABA became too predominant in my brain, and it hurt my memory because my brain literally felt sluggish.

[00:19:40] I felt tired all the time from the neck up and I had to stop using high doses of GABA before bed. But it's, there's a, there's a fine, fine line between, uh, uh, the supplementation and the effect on, on the memory, so. Right,

[00:19:55] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:19:55] right, right. A big part of the brain like to address the last question [00:20:00] about why is GABA effective with anxiety?

[00:20:03] Uh, that's simply because, uh, sometimes gambit. Basically the brain. Is constantly, uh. Yeah. It's all about balance between excitation inhibition. It's just trying to achieve homeostasis and trying to achieve that balance between what cause turns things on and what turns things off. Gabba plays the lead role in turning things off, and if you get hyperactive, if you're got too much anxiety as a.

[00:20:31] Is one of the symptoms of hyper activity in the brain. And you can either get hyper activity from, you know, too much excitation or not enough inhibition and you know, Gabba, uh, additional Gabba will cause more inhibition.

[00:20:47] Carl Lanore: [00:20:47] So I want to, for those of you listening to the show or watching it live, listening live.

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[00:21:20] And test it with my audience. If you think the brain gauge could help you, and I don't know anyone at can't help because we have people that are developing dementia in their forties today. If they had a brain gauge that they could start tracking their brains progress, adding things in, removing things and looking how that affects them, they can actually get on track.

[00:21:40] To make progress and reverse a lot of these problems. And 29, 95 a month. I mean, come on. You probably spend more than that on movies, on Netflix or, or, or, uh, what's the other one? Uh, prime video. Go to gauge your brain.com select the monthly plan, [00:22:00] 29.95 a month. No longterm contract cancel at any time, but please, your brain is everything.

[00:22:07] If, if you are you, you could be ripped to shreds. You could be super, super fit, but if your brain caves in before your body does, you're going to spend your time in an institution staring at a wall until you stop breathing. And this is a problem in today's society. It really, really is. You just have to look around at all the people that are developing dementia.

[00:22:29] Parkinson's disease. Multiple sclerosis is through the roof. These all avoidable, but the only way you can avoid them is you have to be able to gauge how well your brain is working, change things in your environment, and then see what effect that has. That's the only way because your reality for your brain health is very different than mine and very different than dr Tama dolls and di.

[00:22:52] Very different than dr Dennis's. So this is an amazing opportunity. Uh, it sounds like the brain [00:23:00] gauge is a functional tool that provides objective evidence of improvement. I would say that's true, right? I

[00:23:07] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:23:07] agree. It's a functional tool. It's, and it's performance based. And what that means is like what are performance measures is like how fast you run a mile, how fast you can sprint, how much weight you can lift.

[00:23:18] Those are all functional measures of. About physical health, and there's really,

[00:23:24] Carl Lanore: [00:23:24] that

[00:23:25] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:23:25] functional measure is very, you know, very elusive to obtain passively, like strapping on electrodes on your head. It doesn't always tell you how well your brain is functioning. It's really what a lot of people might want.

[00:23:37] They might say, Oh, you can just, you know, can we just read how well your brain is doing without you performing? But actually you're going to have to answer the questions. It's a little bit like reading an idea. Sure. You have to look at a eye chart and actually read back what is on that I chart, uh, to say how well your, your eyes are functioning.

[00:23:58] And that's sort of the strength of it is it tells [00:24:00] you functionally how well things are working.

[00:24:02] Carl Lanore: [00:24:02] So I happen to know that I have very good reaction time. I think Dr. Dennis will get a kick out of this one too. So when we watch TV, I only record shows, uh, on my DVR so that I can watch what I want for the hour that I spend at night watching TV.

[00:24:18] And when I fast I, when I fast forward through the commercials I watched for the TV Emay or the TV 14 and I know the show is coming back on and I hit that button. And somewhere in a, in a room, the cable company sat a bunch of people and had everybody do this, and they figured out the average reaction time of the average person out there so that they wouldn't go too far into the show and have to start rewinding it.

[00:24:45] So whenever I do it, I have to watch a good 15 seconds of the commercial. Because I am so fast that it backs me up into the middle of the commercial before it picks up, and I figured most people probably hit that button and go, Oh great. I'm right on the money. It's exactly where the show [00:25:00] starts. Any any ideas about that?

[00:25:01] Dr. Dennis.

[00:25:03] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:25:03] Well, the funny thing is I was thinking exactly the same thing yesterday. I actually have to go one Mississippi before I press the button because otherwise I watch an ad. You know what I'm saying? You know exactly what I'm saying. You know? So, yeah. You know, if you're, that's, that's one thing, you know, and so this kind of brings us back to this point.

[00:25:22] If you're paying attention to your performance, like if you're paying attention to, you know, you know, your physical fitness, you're much more. Able to do something about it. As small changes start to occur. If you're paying attention, you know, without getting, without getting too, too much anxiety. But if you're paying attention to your reaction time, you know, you're more likely to notice when it, when it's, when it's falling.

[00:25:48] And that was, by the way, that's a very clever way to, uh, to, to measure it. I, I also pay attention to when I dropped something, you know, am I able to just. Scoop it up and pick it up before it falls to the ground. You know, [00:26:00] different things like that. I'm always paying attention to that kind of stuff. But you know, paying attention is, is half of the problem.

[00:26:06] Right? And some things you can measure and some things you, you just can't easily measure, like neuroplasticity. I mean, you know, that one's a little bit, it's kind of indirect. So what, what Mark and I did with the, with the. With the brain gage. The whole thing was, you know, what do people need to know about how well their brain is performing and can we give them that number?

[00:26:32] Can we give them that number? Now, you know, a lot of people. You know, there is going to be a lot of people seeing how quickly they can, they can time it. But I literally, I, I always go like, you know how you can go fast forward the double fast, triple fast. I always go triple fast. I always go trouble fast. I still have to get myself a one Mississippi, you know?

[00:26:50] So I'm paying attention there, but I also happen to know my actual reaction time. Because I use the brain gauge, right? And I happened to know that it's just as low as up [00:27:00] healthy athletic person would be because we're measuring it properly, paying attention to it. So, um, you know, you, you, you, yeah, it's, it's good to do those kinds of tests.

[00:27:11] It's good to have a general awareness, but it's also really good to have a way to measure it because there are some things you just can't really put your finger on in directly. I'll throw one at you. Blood pressure, right? There's something you need to have a number and you need to be paying attention to it, and you can pay attention all you want to, you know, maybe the secondary symptoms of what's going out, but you know, it's like the silent killer, right?

[00:27:38] If you're not paying attention, if you're not,

[00:27:40] Carl Lanore: [00:27:40] most people can't tell. They can't tell at all.

[00:27:42] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:27:42] Most people cannot tell at all. Right? It's not like we're, we're sitting around doing the Valsalva maneuver. Yeah. I can tell, you know, I got some pressure. No, it's not like that at all. It's something you gotta measure and, and, and these brain functional metrics are things if you really want to be on top of your brain [00:28:00] function, these are things you, you have got to measure.

[00:28:03] And that's, that's what we do with the brain gage. That's what it's all about. We're gonna and Mark and I are too old. We're too old and too broad

[00:28:10] Carl Lanore: [00:28:10] to

[00:28:10] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:28:10] BS around about it. It's just, it's just the real deal. It's just right at

[00:28:14] ya.

[00:28:14] Carl Lanore: [00:28:14] We're gonna, we're going to take a quick commercial break, but when we come back, we got questions and comments that are loading up from the listeners.

[00:28:21] Um. Carrie Krueger is watching live from Pretoria, South Africa. I promised her a shout out if she showed up, and I know she's here tonight. Um, but we're going to take a quick commercial break. When we come back, we're going to pick up with more of this discussion. We'll give the offer again also later in the show.

[00:28:39] I started using a G, H K, the copper peptide that we talked about on the pep talk the other day, and I'm already noticing some things and I'll share that information with you guys too. So stay tuned. You're watching and listening to superhuman radio. We'll be right back.

[00:28:55] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:28:55] This is

[00:28:56] Carl Lanore: [00:28:56] the superhuman channel doing reps with the weight of the world.

[00:29:04] [00:29:00] Welcome back.

[00:29:08] Not the, Dennis has a one of my favorite toys in the whole world. In fact, I have the same exact inversion table. The greatest thing for your spine.

[00:29:16] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:29:16] Sorry, I was doing a little bit, a little bit of exercise. They're trying to get the blood going.

[00:29:19] Carl Lanore: [00:29:19] There you go. I love that. For brain health too, you know, inverting as good for brain health.

[00:29:24] Very, very good. So, um,

[00:29:26] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:29:26] I was just doing pushups and stuff. Yeah.

[00:29:28] Carl Lanore: [00:29:28] Good for you. Excellent. Um, okay, so let's move on to another topic. And that is a sensory discrimination. This is one of the things that the brain gauge uses to assess, uh, brain function. Talk about sensory discrimination, why it's important.

[00:29:45] Okay.

[00:29:45] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:29:45] So gender discrimination is a way that we probed. Brain function. So basically anytime you want to figure out how something works, this is just a basic engineering approach. You have inputs and outputs. So how [00:30:00] do we get those inputs in? Well, the way a lot of the web based, uh, pro, you know, people type, if you were to go in and do a search for brain function testing, you get a whole bunch of things and basically they, people ask you questions.

[00:30:13] You had read the questions and answer them. And that's not really specific. So anybody just using their own. Their own. A common knowledge would say, well, how would you take inputs and direct them exactly where you want them to go? And it turns out what we do is we direct those inputs by delivering very precise, stimulated the skin, and we can activate different places in the brain.

[00:30:36] Now what a sensory discrimination that is that that's basically those sensory stimuli that we can deliver to the fingers. And we activate with specific frequencies and amplitudes, places that are either side by side, uh, in the brain

[00:30:51] Carl Lanore: [00:30:51] and have

[00:30:52] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:30:52] those places talk to each other. And then the questions that we ask.

[00:30:56] Are really simple. Which of the two stimuli [00:31:00] are bigger? That is a sensory discrimination task. Which one came first? Which one lasted longer? So the questions are never very difficult. But the way that we get at brain function is by making the task with the actual stimuli get more complicated. But the questions are always easy.

[00:31:18] And you know, as far as the is. Sure goes. Now they may have trouble answering because each time you is like as mentioned, is like an eye chart starts out very easy and as you progress through the process, it gets a little bit harder and it should get harder at some point. Uh, because that's where you find your threshold and that fine tells you basically how well is your brain communicating based on how those different inputs going to different words, the brain are talking to each other.

[00:31:45] Interesting. It's important. That's a way to. Objectively measure brain function and, uh, you know, that's, that's basically been the whole name of the game since we started this 15 years ago. Let's try to come up with an

[00:32:00] [00:31:59] Carl Lanore: [00:31:59] objective. What if you're a laborer and you've developed, you know, callouses? What if you're a guitar player and you've developed calluses on your fingers?

[00:32:07] Will that skew, uh, the value of the information to any degree? Well, you know,

[00:32:14] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:32:14] there were traditional sensory testing people for about 50 years before we got into this game. Uh, we're very, very focused on very, very tiny stimuli. Okay. And so the difference between peripheral nervous system and central nervous system is that I don't, the main thing that I care, that we care about is what's going on in the brain.

[00:32:37] We really don't care about what's going on in the fingertips. So what traditional sensory testing does, and this is tactile testing in particular, what they do is they focus on the minimum stimulus you can feel. So that's usually like in the five to 10 micron range. And I know those numbers mean nothing to anyone, right?

[00:32:54] But keep in mind, the minimum stimulus that we give in these tasks is 200 [00:33:00] microns. So while everybody else was looking at this, this difference, they'd say, Oh, we're going to study people and we're going to find out that one group of people. Uh, you know, with one with healthy brain function might measure something at five microns.

[00:33:14] Somebody else might feel it at six. Okay. So the noise on that is incredible. I mean, you make one micro, uh, microns. What's, what's a migrant Bob thickness of your hair?

[00:33:26] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:33:26] Well, there's, there's like seven microns in a red blood cell. That's, that's a good, right. Seven microns

[00:33:32] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:33:32] across one rather than one. So,

[00:33:34] Carl Lanore: [00:33:34] so really unlike, unlike a hearing test.

[00:33:38] Where the vibration is getting lighter and lighter and lighter. You had developed your, you're delivering a vibration from the device that will absolutely stimulate everybody's fingertips regardless of what sensitivity issues they have. Right? It's the duration and the, uh, it's the duration and the [00:34:00] space in between, if you will, or the fingers that it's stimulating, not the amplitude of the vibration.

[00:34:08] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:34:08] Yeah. Let me,

[00:34:08] Carl Lanore: [00:34:08] let me say that

[00:34:10] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:34:10] guy Bob. Well, but

[00:34:13] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:34:13] the difference here is that, is that we're not testing. Your threshold sensitivity. We're not testing your nerves in your hand. We're just blowing past those with a plenty big signal. And then the test is how was that signal processed in your brain? So that's what makes it different.

[00:34:33] Carl Lanore: [00:34:33] Right? Right. I'm looking, I thought I had an image. I did have an image. I will get it during the next segment of the device, but it basically looks like a mouse, like a computer mouse, and it's got two little orange buttons. It looks like eyes. It looks like the mouse has two eyes and you just lay your fingertips on those two are orange buttons, and then.

[00:34:53] You watch the prompt from the monitor and the software and it walks you through a test. The entire tests have taken [00:35:00] about 20 minutes, but you can test just for certain things if you want very quickly. Correct. Correct.

[00:35:06] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:35:06] You know, a lot of times people say, Oh, you know, I tested pretty well on everything except this one test, say the reaction time slow.

[00:35:14] And say, okay, so they can just

[00:35:16] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:35:16] do that reaction time

[00:35:17] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:35:17] tests over and over and over and uh, you know that, you know, like every day they might test just reaction time. One other tasks are, you basically have a battery of tests. Each test takes a couple of minutes and you select which of the tests that you want to take.

[00:35:33] You can take all of it. We, we recommend all of them for a baseline. And if you want to just, but if it looks like there's just a couple of things that need work, then that's something that you can do is just take those one or two tests to keep it short.

[00:35:47] Carl Lanore: [00:35:47] So the word neuroplasticity means a lot of things to a lot of people, many of us, because the word plastic plasticity, malleable, um, uh, malleability, uh, implies like actual, [00:36:00] um.

[00:36:00] Construction going on in the brain, if you will, and that may actually be what's happening. But when we look at reaction time, first of all, does it give us an indicator of neuroplasticity and isn't neuro-plasticity just getting better and better at a task?

[00:36:19] I'm

[00:36:19] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:36:19] not sure I understand the question.

[00:36:21] Carl Lanore: [00:36:21] Okay. Does reaction time reaction time an indicator is reaction time and indicator of neuroplasticity? If your reaction time continues to get better. Okay. Okay. No,

[00:36:32] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:36:32] let me give you a definition of plasticity. Uh, there's a lot of different definitions

[00:36:36] Carl Lanore: [00:36:36] and it, and things actually

[00:36:37] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:36:37] vary with what type of neuroscientist you might be.

[00:36:40] Uh, so I, I'm going to violate everybody's, uh, definition. Uh, so one thing is plasticity. One reason that she put clothes on, you put clothes on in the morning and you forget about them. You don't feel them right after you put them on is because of habituation. That's sort of a longterm plasticity, uh, or habituation you put on [00:37:00] your shirt and you don't think twice about it after that, and then there's, but adaptation or plasticity that takes place on milliseconds, seconds, hours, days, weeks.

[00:37:13] There's all different types and there's many different mechanisms. Uh, and you, but you can, because it's sort of the fractal nature of it. You can measure it at different levels and we typically measure it on the sub second level between 500 milliseconds and a little longer. And that's how we measure.

[00:37:31] How quickly can you adapt your, your environment? How quickly, uh, you know, does your brain sort of think, okay, all I care about is change. And that's what we're doing. You adapt to something and then you say, okay, then deliberate change from that and see how well your brain changes or how well are you. You adapt to that quick, quick fix, but that's basically the way you're wired is, is to always look for the new things.

[00:37:59] Um, [00:38:00] the, and so that's what we measure

[00:38:01] Carl Lanore: [00:38:01] reaction time

[00:38:02] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:38:02] on. What does rationale tell us? It's, you know, it's basically reaction. It tells you a lot. One, it tells you a little bit about Mylan health and white matter health. Uh, it, ELLs, you, you know about information processing speed. It does tell you about conductivity in general, and there's a lot of things that affects reaction time.

[00:38:21] Uh, and we've written about this, uh. We have a lot of information about this on our website, but you can read about, uh, you can read papers where people have talked about martial arts and, or dark chocolate, improving reaction time. Caffeine can re improve reaction time and it can also make it worse. And, uh, you.

[00:38:46] Seeing the reaction time tests. You can also measure something called reaction time variability. And in other words, when we test, when you get a test reaction time, you don't do it just once. I mean, in other words, we deliver a stimulus and you respond to it. And let's say [00:39:00] if you responded to it the exact same way every time, say each time you responded, your reaction time was 200 milliseconds, uh, you were 200, 200, 200, 200.

[00:39:11] You're very, very consistent. It means you're actually not the ability to extremely low. That means your attention level, your ability to focus extremely good. So your focus measure would be very good. Now, if your action time variability is all over the place, like if first time you tested, you are two 20 next time you're 200 next time one 80 next time, two 80 next time one 60 but it still averages out about the same.

[00:39:39] But you're actually not variability. You're focused. That means you can't, you're having trouble attending and focusing, and you know that's very common with ADH. ADHD, people have very, very high racks, time variability, even though they're X times not that bad, it's usually just their variability is very high.

[00:39:57] So we, we get a lot of information out of each [00:40:00] measure. It's not just the one measure, but we look at how people respond as well as. What their response

[00:40:07] Carl Lanore: [00:40:07] is. Dr. Dennis, I want to throw a question directly to you because you're the PEMF guy. So what, what effects do PMF, um, type devices have on the brain? Are they good?

[00:40:23] Are they bad? Does it vary by frequency? Talk about PMF in the brain.

[00:40:28] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:40:28] Well, that's sort of like saying what effect does food have on the brain? Is it good? Is it bad food? I mean, seriously food's important, right? Do we have too much, too little? It depends on the type and the quantity and the frequency of when you have it.

[00:40:44] Right. I mean, glucose isn't necessarily bad unless you have glucose all the time and you've got insulin op all the time, you know, so, so it's, it's very much more complex than saying PEMF is a lot like saying the word chemicals.

[00:41:00] [00:41:00] Carl Lanore: [00:41:00] Yeah. Food is such a variety. You gotta

[00:41:02] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:41:02] be really specific. Yeah. You gotta be really specific.

[00:41:05] So I put a, I put a, uh, a YouTube video up about a year and a half ago talking about the electromagnetic spectrum. Okay. Like, where are you on the electromagnetic spectrum? And, um, you know, it's even more, cause it's way more complicated even than that. Like, you know, you could, you could say, well, like, um, where's the color pink?

[00:41:28] On the visual spectrum, and it's not really there because it's a combination of different colors. Same thing with the color Brown. You can't find it on the color spectrum, on a visual spectrum because there's a combination of things. And so PEMF isn't just some frequency on the spectrum. It's way more complex than that.

[00:41:45] It's, it's a combinations of frequencies and harmonics and things like this. And so, so, you know, um. I go into this and it takes like, you know, half an hour to just even just to talk about the basics. [00:42:00] There are areas in the electromagnetic spectrum that are very, very essential for life. Let's talk about a few of them.

[00:42:06] Visual range. Just to be able to see a near infrared infrared that we have, body sensation of heat. We, we, we directly experience that wavelength is heat. Okay. So important thing, radiated heat. Um, part of the electromagnetic spectrum is involved in, in neural transmission and, and the way that excitable tissues work in voltage gated channel and everything in the body.

[00:42:32] So there's some electromagnetism that's essential for life. And then there are some that's just harmless, might be beneficial. And then there's some that's really harmful, right? Like ionizing radiation. Like, you know, you don't, nobody goes out on Sundays to get, you know, Gammell AMA radiation, unless you're Spiderman or something.

[00:42:51] Right. So, or, or, or a Hawk. Right? I mean, you know, so, so you wanna you wanna you know, you gotta be real specific about what you're talking [00:43:00] about.

[00:43:00] Carl Lanore: [00:43:00] Okay. Let me be more specific. Let's say there's these PEMF devices. I think I shared with you that I've been using the earth pollster unit for 14 years now. I'm got a program of nine.

[00:43:14] Uh, I find I get more deep sleep when I'm down around three Hertz, um, at about 50% of that magnets power. And I actually used a, uh, electric, uh, a, um, EMF device. And it's about, it's about 1.5 Gauss coming through my. Uh, through my mattress? Is that my imagination or is it really a food thing? Sleep?

[00:43:42] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:43:42] Well, my guess would be, it's really real.

[00:43:45] My guess would be, it's really real, but the, here's the thing. Um, as far as I can tell, and I've done the math. Okay. If you really want to look at this, um, for every known chemical. For every single [00:44:00] known chemical species. There are about 200 million different ways to do PEMF and there's, you know, eight or 10 or 12 or 20 million known chemical species in the universe.

[00:44:13] So it's not unreasonable to say that PMF is about 200 million times more complex than all of chemistry. Okay. So, so the problem is that in medicine, we don't have even the smallest clue what most chemicals do to us in terms of our sleep or our health, right? Most chemicals have never been tested for safety or or anything like that.

[00:44:37] There's only a small number, so it's really hard to say just, and PEMF has, has enjoyed less than 1% of the research that chemicals have had on health, way less than 1% probably one. 10,000 or a hundred thousand of the amount of research, and yet it's 200 million times more complex than chemistry. So the answer to your question [00:45:00] is

[00:45:00] Carl Lanore: [00:45:00] we don't have any clue.

[00:45:01] Huh? I mean, that's, that's the real answer, right? I mean, you know, no one wants it. They want it. They want to sell PEMF units.

[00:45:09] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:45:09] Everybody wants to talk about how much they know. But when you talk

[00:45:12] Carl Lanore: [00:45:12] to somebody who really

[00:45:14] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:45:14] has looked at this and really thought about it,

[00:45:18] Carl Lanore: [00:45:18] the overwhelming thing you get is,

[00:45:19] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:45:19] gosh, there are a lot of papers on PEMF.

[00:45:22] We don't really see if you're using reasonable PMF at a reasonable and tests. So you really don't see any negative side effects. But man. We don't know anything about

[00:45:31] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:45:31] why it works. We just don't.

[00:45:34] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:45:34] So if you got some salesmen's shiny teeth telling you all about, they have some secret science about how PMF works, your red flags should go straight up.

[00:45:44] The BS flags should go off and you should be just like, this dude doesn't know what he's talking about. He's just, he's just a marketer. And that's, that's,

[00:45:51] Carl Lanore: [00:45:51] well, before we take this, before we take this next break, would you agree that we did evolve under the influences [00:46:00] of some type of, uh, electromagnetic pulse emanating from the earth and it's somehow played a role in our evolution?

[00:46:06] Would you agree with that?

[00:46:09] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:46:09] I would say that we, we have adapted to, um, both need and utilize. Our entire electromagnetic environment. So, so some of that comes from the earth in the form of heat. Literally the earth radiate seats. So there's no doubt whatsoever. I mean, if you're a cave man, you're sleeping in a cave because the cave radiates heat internally.

[00:46:34] I mean, you, you, you, you know, human evolution. Probably the evolution of. Everything on earth is dependent upon the electromagnetic interaction with the earth and the sun and everything else. So I think that's beyond question. The thing is we don't really understand all of that,

[00:46:50] Carl Lanore: [00:46:50] and we act like it's just like the microbiome.

[00:46:53] We really don't know anything about the microbiome, but there are people out there proposing that this is what you need to do and that's what you need to do.

[00:47:00] [00:47:00] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:47:00] And you know, some of it's good anecdotal evidence. I mean, you know, the thing is that we can say things about PEMF like, yeah, you know, if you do certain things that are generally roughly, you know, spit balling it roughly, right?

[00:47:11] It can accelerate healing by a factor of two or three. It can reduce inflammation. I've got tests from a third party, GLP FDA recognized laboratory that that's the result of PMF when I apply it. To, to, to rodents anyway, you get vast reductions in inflammation. I mean, this is, these are real things. We don't understand why,

[00:47:34] Carl Lanore: [00:47:34] right?

[00:47:34] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:47:34] But the whole PMF world has, has, has, has, uh, has, has bullshitted. If you, if

[00:47:42] Carl Lanore: [00:47:42] I, you know, tactical, don't worry about it.

[00:47:45] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:47:45] They bullshitted. The consumer into believing that, well, if they could act like they know some science, you know, then maybe we can, we can squeeze them for five or 10,000 bucks. And that's what that's all about.

[00:47:57] The, the, the reality is we do know that some [00:48:00] things work. We do know that it doesn't see me harmful. We do know that there are great benefits for PMF. We really don't know

[00:48:06] Carl Lanore: [00:48:06] why. Yeah.

[00:48:07] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:48:07] So right now we're still screwing around in the dark. You know, and we're, we're sorta sorta collecting a bag of, of mushrooms, you know, in a dark room.

[00:48:17] We're like, well, this one looks pretty good. You know, this, you know, and, and, and, and that's where we're at. Unfortunately. I wish, I wish I could say more. I wish I could say the science

[00:48:25] Carl Lanore: [00:48:25] you spent, how long, how long have you spent of your career studying a PMF.

[00:48:33] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:48:33] Well, let me, let me tell you. Um, uh, since 1996 I've been working, I had worked with NASA then in 1996 and that's back when I thought it was BS and didn't think it really worked. And then the data tells you otherwise, if you use it in a certain range, certain way, it works every single time. And it does, it has effects on gene expression and inflammation, all kinds of things.

[00:48:56] We just don't know why. But that's true for most [00:49:00] medicines. I mean, they tell you what drug effects and they try to tell you why things were, and they're still discovering things about why aspirin works. I mean, you know, it's not that we have a full understanding of these things,

[00:49:10] Carl Lanore: [00:49:10] so

[00:49:10] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:49:10] anybody who tries

[00:49:11] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:49:11] to give you the impression that

[00:49:12] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:49:12] they've got it all figured out, they're just lying to you.

[00:49:15] Carl Lanore: [00:49:15] We're going to take a quick commercial break. When we come back, we have more. Stay tuned. We have questions. We'll get up here. We'll get everybody's questions answered. Stay tuned.

[00:49:25] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:49:25] Today. This is the superhuman

[00:49:27] Carl Lanore: [00:49:27] channel evolution. Just got kicked up a notch.

[00:49:38] Welcome back. Rigo Vargas has a good question. Yes, go ahead. Okay.

[00:49:46] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:49:46] I had one thing, I was doing some, some more pushups, and there's something I kind of need to say to get closure, if that's okay. I need about one minute. That's all right.

[00:49:54] Carl Lanore: [00:49:54] Sure.

[00:49:56] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:49:56] So, um, so you, you were talking earlier about using the TV [00:50:00] set to kind of measure your reaction time.

[00:50:02] Right. And, and how you're, you're faster than the average because they do, they study these things and how long does it take a person to press the button and then how far do they need to wind back before they start the videos again? Right. And, and that kind of thing is good for maintaining your awareness of your, you know, it's, it's a good thing for maintaining your awareness of your reaction time, but it doesn't give you a number and it's very variable.

[00:50:26] And what Mark Thomas doll was talking about. Last time we were on here, just just a few minutes ago was, was reaction time variability, not just your reaction time, but how variable it is and a met, and using that variability as a measure of your attention. So let me make, let me make a comment. As an engineer nerd, you have got

[00:50:46] Carl Lanore: [00:50:46] to

[00:50:46] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:50:46] have a tool

[00:50:48] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:50:48] that's specifically designed to measure these things, and you cannot just use a cheap

[00:50:55] Carl Lanore: [00:50:55] online

[00:50:56] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:50:56] service.

[00:50:56] You can't even use your basic. Basically your [00:51:00] computer, you can't use

[00:51:02] Carl Lanore: [00:51:02] what we call

[00:51:02] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:51:02] commodity grade electronics, and here is why. This is something that everybody needs to know. You can't just get the free online reaction time test thing. Because your, your TV set, your remote, and especially your computer and especially your tablet, these devices are not designed to measure your performance.

[00:51:26] They're actually designed to give you the illusion that you're performing well. Just like you said about how when you press the button, then they rewind. That gives everybody the illusion. That they're responding quickly to see the show they want to see that's built in. So let me tell you every single thing on your computers, that way, your mouse, the overhead on your, on your operating system and your tablet, the touch screen, this stuff is all built to add in the illusions.

[00:51:57] Of performance that aren't there. [00:52:00] So you cannot, by definition, you can't use these devices to measure your performance because they're designed to do just the opposite.

[00:52:08] Carl Lanore: [00:52:08] Right? Like, like when you, like when you get a new iPhone and it tells you tap here, it's taking into account that you're off because it learns how off you are and build that into the, correct.

[00:52:18] Right?

[00:52:20] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:52:20] That's right. So these, these things. Correct for your performance deficits to give you the illusion that they're smooth and that you're performing well, and you can't use these to measure your performance because they're designed to fool you. Okay. So you got to use a tool that's designed to not fool you, to give you the straight number.

[00:52:42] And that's what a brain gauge is and just cause it looks like a computer mouse. Let me tell you, it doesn't work like

[00:52:48] Carl Lanore: [00:52:48] one picture. I can't find the picture in it, but it looks like a mouse. It really

[00:52:53] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:52:53] easy to find. You just, you just type in, you know, brain gauge search that it looks just like a computer mouse, but it's not.

[00:52:58] It's got its own very high speed [00:53:00] internal computer. It's like a laboratory. Inside of itself off. That bypasses it. It just. Bypass has all of these things that are built into computers and tablets and keyboards and everything that are made. They're designed to deceive you into thinking that it's working smoothly.

[00:53:20] When when you are not performing well and it's not performing well. But what our device does is it directly

[00:53:26] Carl Lanore: [00:53:26] measures forgiving. Your devices are forgiving. It's unforgiving.

[00:53:30] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:53:30] It's totally unforgiving. And there's no, there's no, as far as I know right now, there's no substitute. Anything else. Were you using an online cognitive test or anything like that?

[00:53:39] You're just, you're literally using a machine that is designed

[00:53:43] Carl Lanore: [00:53:43] to fool you

[00:53:44] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:53:44] into believing something that just ain't true. So I just felt like

[00:53:48] Carl Lanore: [00:53:48] the two things you guys said

[00:53:49] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:53:49] needed to tie them together with the reality that that. This is something you want to measure.

[00:53:55] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:53:55] You

[00:53:56] Carl Lanore: [00:53:56] got to have the right tool. You can go to gauge your brain.com to see the device [00:54:00] to, and while you're there, take advantage of the 29 95 a deal.

[00:54:04] There's nothing like it on the internet. Well, I want to get Rigo Vargas is question in here. It's about nootropics. He says there's lots of talk about nootropics. I've read about  mushroom blends and canteen trophies or trophies, depending on what part of the country you are. Is there any. CRA credence to these biohacks.

[00:54:24] Do they really work? Have you guys tested any of these with, um, with the brain gauge?

[00:54:30] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:54:30] Uh, some of our, some people that have brain gauges have tested them. I, I'm not sure. It's completely from, I'm not familiar with a lot of these, but you know, they, I know they've done some types of mushrooms. Uh, but you know, the only way to really tell about all this stuff is, is to test yourself, get a baseline, you know, and maybe the mushrooms help, but maybe too many mushrooms makes you even worse.

[00:54:56] You just don't know. Uh, there, it [00:55:00] really depends on where you are. You know, if your brain's at a hundred percent, you want to keep it there. And. You know, taking some kind of nootropic may or may not push you up to 110%, you know, which is really hard to do. But you know, if you're, the only way to do it is to measure.

[00:55:17] I mean, it can't emphasize that enough. It's, uh, that's, that's a tried and true method that we've talked to a lot of people who've done stop how people, you know, they, they do their own personal experiments on themselves.

[00:55:32] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:55:32] I think that's absolutely true.

[00:55:34] Carl Lanore: [00:55:34] I'm sorry God for any, for anything

[00:55:35] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:55:35] like that, Carl, the answer is test it and see, right?

[00:55:41] Carl Lanore: [00:55:41] I mean, we, we, we love it. We love to say that medicine, we finally come to the conclusion that medicine is very individual, but somehow supplements aren't, you know, it's like you gotta try it. It may, it may work for me. It may not work for you. You have to try it. Things that we do know affect the brain.

[00:56:00] [00:56:00] Alright. Uh, dietary regimens, you know, diets.

[00:56:06] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:56:06] Yeah.

[00:56:07] Carl Lanore: [00:56:07] The

[00:56:07] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:56:07] last comment, the comment before was about Gavin Agnes and somebody was using GABA agonists and said, you know, they prefer something else to that gamma agonist. And it's like, well, you really don't know. You might feel better taking one thing than another, but how do you really know that anything works unless you measure.

[00:56:24] You're just, it's just a

[00:56:27] Carl Lanore: [00:56:27] shot in

[00:56:27] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [00:56:27] the dark. Uh, you know, taking different drugs is you really need to have some kind of measurement or for how you do it. I mean, you know, we used to, you know, when I was a competitive swimmer, we used to like keep a journal on how fast we went and. What our diet was. You know, that has a huge effect.

[00:56:47] You know? What was your training regimen? What was your diet? Oh, and we could measure how fast we went, but you know, if you want to see what the effects of different, uh, two tropics or Gavin Agnes, [00:57:00] then, then you really need to measure. And to keep a journal, you know? Well, the brain games does that for you.

[00:57:05] Brand gauge will actually keep the journal for you. So anyway, yeah, I

[00:57:10] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:57:10] turned the new tropics and stuff you're taking, it keeps journal of your performance, but you have to enter, there's a place where you can enter information about what you're doing. Right. I mean, you can journal, write on

[00:57:20] Carl Lanore: [00:57:20] it, so you can see the direct direct effects then.

[00:57:25] Yeah, yeah,

[00:57:27] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:57:27] yeah. Some people are going to have a deficiency that they can correct. With a supplement and they might see an improvement. Other people might not have that deficiency and they could take the supplement and they don't get any gain. Right. It's totally individual.

[00:57:39] Carl Lanore: [00:57:39] Okay. Last question. Cause everybody's all crazy about five G.

[00:57:43] I know for a fact that RF affects us. We live in a soup of RF, um, and there's plenty of evidence that it's affecting us on a cellular level. There are studies that show that cilia on cells act like. Antenna. [00:58:00] Uh, depending on the frequency, that hundred wavelength, uh, number seems to, to be adaptable. What do you think about as we go into these higher and higher?

[00:58:11] You know, uh, six gigahertz is next. That the low side of five, G 24 to 60 is the high side of 5g. We see studies that show. Taking a cell phone call within a half hour of bedtime causes a greater degree of deep sleep latency. Uh, we know that it affects sperm motility. We know these things. These, what do you think about the brain and all the RF that we live in?

[00:58:35] D. Dot. Dennis, this is your, this is your wheelhouse too.

[00:58:41] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [00:58:41] Well, you know, once again, I, I'd have to say it's, um, it's one of these things that doesn't get studied enough. And a lot of people will run these studies and they'll, they'll get a result and then a lot of it's irreproducible. A lot of times they'll do a study and they'll say, well, there was no, no detectable harm.

[00:58:59] And then the next [00:59:00] time, the same lab runs the same study, doing the same thing. They get the different, a different result. So, so it's, there's, it's actually very hard to do safety studies. In fact, it's impossible to say anything is safe. You can't because you're, you, you, you can't test every possible mechanism of harm.

[00:59:19] So, so, you know, so you have to, um, you have to weigh the advantages of something like 5g with a potential biological harm. And in my opinion, it's, it's that, it, it's that there has been a lot of industry pressure and money to open up these wavelengths. For, you know, for use, for communication and, and, and this is like not a new thing.

[00:59:42] If you actually go and you look at the bands being used by 5g are a lot of those interleave with the same frequency bands as 4g. It's just a different protocol. Okay. So it's not that the frequency carrier frequencies are necessarily different. It's that it's, that it's a [01:00:00] different communication protocol that's more efficient in some ways.

[01:00:03] And, um, the. The thing is that it's not been well characterized. The biological safety of these things, and this is really actually nothing new because there used to be a lot of very different frequencies used by the military for communications at very high power levels that nobody ever was even told, and they just became part of our environment.

[01:00:24] We didn't even know about it. There were secret things, right. And, um, I mean, you know, the rushes were blasting stuff out, very high power for a long time. And you know, there's, there's been some harm done by this. Um, my opinion is that, that it, that it doesn't get nearly enough funding, it doesn't get nearly enough study.

[01:00:44] And yeah, there are, I would say there are almost certainly bands in the frequency, in the frequency spectrum that should be. Not used when they show biological harm.

[01:00:56] Carl Lanore: [01:00:56] Yeah. When we can, we

[01:00:58] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [01:00:58] can show that they're harmful and they're [01:01:00] probably not necessarily the highest frequencies. They may resonate with something.

[01:01:04] Resonance is kind of a

[01:01:05] Carl Lanore: [01:01:05] digest. I remember when one time we had to get a, uh, um, a permit to build a, uh, a tower, uh, actually a transmitter room on Mount potency at the 8,000 foot deck for paging transmitter. And one of the studies we had to order. Was a a harmonic study. All the frequencies that were up there, once we added hours, there were, and it was always the odd number, right?

[01:01:31] It was the three, the third, the fifth to seventh harmonics. What happens is these frequencies combined through a phenomenon called constructive interference, and they create a residual frequency that there isn't even a transmitter up there for, but because they're all oscillating side by side, they create other frequencies.

[01:01:48] That's right.

[01:01:48] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [01:01:48] Yes. So you get these, you get these things all beat frequencies, and when two frequencies are very close together, and there'll be like Walden wall,

[01:01:57] Carl Lanore: [01:01:57] they make that hydrocarbon at yet. Yeah. In fact, [01:02:00] that's how, that's how your, that's how your radar detector works. When they used to use, when they, I think they still do, but when that radar frequency hit, it was called a super head, a superheterodyne because there were frequencies in there.

[01:02:11] Right. That when yours hit it, when the radar detector hit it, it made the sound like a cat squeak and was like, Oh, radar. Exactly.

[01:02:18] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [01:02:18] So this stuff is all, it's, it's, it is all rocket science. It's all pretty complicated math and everything, but just the biology of these. Electromagnetic fields is, in my opinion, has not been thoroughly, uh, study studied, you know, so, so I think the, the answer is yeah, we ought to, we ought to, we have to put the brakes on some of these things and, and study them more carefully.

[01:02:41] And we're going to find that are, there are some harmonics we need to avoid, you know, some, some frequencies and

[01:02:47] Carl Lanore: [01:02:47] residences. I have a theory. I have a theory. Dr. Dennis, you ready for it? The higher metal is the higher your metal deposition on a cellular level, higher iron [01:03:00] deposition, higher copper deposition.

[01:03:02] The more you are an antenna, the more you interact with these things. Possible harm could be in that. That might be the missing variable that no ones. That's why they get different results, different things. I

[01:03:14] can

[01:03:14] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [01:03:14] tell you, I can actually tell you, I've, I, you know, I did some research for a company in, uh, in the area.

[01:03:21] Long story short, they were looking for iron nanoparticles. So these are much bigger than just ionic iron or something that you did actual nanoparticle that was like, you know, sub micron in size, but they could put them inside of a, of a.

[01:03:37] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [01:03:37] Cool,

[01:03:37] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [01:03:37] uh, platelets, and then use those platelets as a magic bullet.

[01:03:41] And my job was to find the resonances at which I could put, and it was basically microwave radiation level, you know, a couple of gigahertz, right? So we're already in there

[01:03:51] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [01:03:51] and you could use that and man, it would, it would,

[01:03:54] Carl Lanore: [01:03:54] it would cook. So it would,

[01:03:55] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [01:03:55] the idea was that these nanoparticles could be basically adhered to the [01:04:00] side of a tumor.

[01:04:02] Sell like a magic bullet with these, with these, uh, with these, uh, uh, treated, uh,

[01:04:08] Carl Lanore: [01:04:08] they basically,

[01:04:10] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [01:04:10] you

[01:04:10] Carl Lanore: [01:04:10] heat them up with a

[01:04:12] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [01:04:12] microwave, low-level microwave, radiation and heat up the tissue. And boy, I'll tell you, I did some experiments that result in some. Fairly impressive. Uh, pyrotechnics. So, you know, they, they can, yeah, they can, they can pick up energy and resonate, but it's, it's a very complicated thing.

[01:04:27] Um, you know, and most of the time it doesn't work, but when it does work, yeah, you can, you can. Oftentimes what'll happen is that that energy will get absorbed by like a little, like a nano or sub nanoparticle, and then it'll be reradiated.

[01:04:43] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [01:04:43] Through

[01:04:44] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [01:04:44] what's called Neal relaxation, solid electromagnetism and reradiate sort of as heat and different things that are less damaging to the body.

[01:04:51] But then again, you know, focal heat can be very damaging. That's what we're trying to use to kill too.

[01:04:56] Carl Lanore: [01:04:56] So, so dr Tama doll, let's show up with [01:05:00] Scott. Lola has a question he tuned in like, so let's summarize. What exactly does the brain gauge measure?

[01:05:07] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [01:05:07] All right. Okay. So in the easiest way to think about it. Is that the, we'll start with the overall score that you get from the brain gauge, which is a combination of a number of tests is, is somewhat analogous to that.

[01:05:20] Blood pressure. I mean, get tells you basically how well the brain is doing. Now. How does it get that he does that with fruit through specific measures. One gives you something about like information processing, speed and, and attention or focus. Uh, another thing it measures is accuracy. That is how well.

[01:05:39] Does the brain contrast enhance inputs? In other words, you get inputs to the brain and the brain will actually process those inputs and look at how, like how well it can differentiate between two things. So you know, if you had, if you're of the age where you had a contrast knob on the television set and you could turn that contrast knob [01:06:00] and see things sharpen up.

[01:06:01] That's what your brain does with information that it gets. So how well does it measure that? Another part is conductivity. How well different parts of the brain connecting. And one part that we look at as a frontal parietal cortex in, you know, how well are the frontal lobes working? And another is how well is the cerebellum doing?

[01:06:19] So that's really more like a coordination measure. Cerebellum does a lot of things. Looking at. You know how and coordinating timing between different areas like sensory, motor cortex, and in vestibular cortex. So, you know, it does a lot of things there. Uh, basically it, it takes different mechanisms of information processing things that we've been working on since the 1980s, 1990s, and it looks at those and extracted measures for those and compiles them.

[01:06:51] And something. And a very comprehensive overall brain health score.

[01:06:56] Carl Lanore: [01:06:56] So there you go, and you can get one for 29 95 [01:07:00] and it doesn't get better than that. This. This device does the same things that hundreds of thousands of dollars with the lab equipment does, but you do it at your kitchen table or in your living room, wherever you want.

[01:07:09] You can test everything. You can test how well you slept. You can test whether or not meditation is working for, you can test your nootropics and save bundled the money of nine things that don't really work for you. You can test your brain for the first

[01:07:23] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [01:07:23] time with precision. One other thing that we did, we should have probably brought it before.

[01:07:28] We actually looked at PMF, uh, pulse electromagnetic field on TBI subjects, and it had a very positive effect. And that's written up, and we'll be in our, some of that's actually in our journal journal of science and medicine. So anyway, um, just wanted to slip that one in.

[01:07:47] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [01:07:47] We have a.

[01:07:49] Carl Lanore: [01:07:49] If you're just a basic, we have a Jersey.

[01:07:51] I'm sorry, go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. There's a little latency.

[01:07:53] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [01:07:53] I was just going to say, if people have, if people have a little bit more technical questions, they can check our journal, [01:08:00] which is J O S a M journal of science and medicine.org and we go into technical detail. Great length,

[01:08:09] Carl Lanore: [01:08:09] and I, you know, regardless of who you are, if you're a mom at home and you think that you've got an autoimmune disorder, you want to make sure that your brain is functioning and you could use your brain function as a guide to resolving some of your problems, autoimmune disorders, whatever.

[01:08:24] Um, you know, you can't, your brain can't tell what it, what it wants and what it doesn't want. You just start to notice symptoms. So this is the way to guide your brain to better health by measuring it. There's never been anything like this before ever anywhere where you could precisely measure your brain function at home on a multiple, on multiple levels, and keep track of it and look at the things you do and look at how they affect your brain.

[01:08:56] It's wonderful. Everybody should have one and 29 95 [01:09:00] come on. You buy, you buy, you buy a supplement every month for $30 that doesn't do anything for you, and you'll find that out when you get the brain Gates and you test your brain. So

[01:09:10] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [01:09:10] find the one supplement that's not working for you at pitch it out, and that'll pay for your brain.

[01:09:14] Carl Lanore: [01:09:14] There's your brain gauge money. There it is. So you're not spending extra money. You're saving money. There you go. So go to the website, gauge your brain.com and pick up your brain gate for 29 95 no contract, uh, cancel whenever you want and it doesn't get any better than that. That's exclusively for my audience.

[01:09:32] I want to thank you guys for being here today. It's been fun. I'd love to come and visit. I'd love to come and visit your lab, Dr. Dennis. It looks like someplace I used to work.

[01:09:42] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [01:09:42] Oh really? Cause it's kinda modeled after the artificial intelligence lab at MIT. I used to have a lab there and it's kind of just a big mess.

[01:09:49] Looks like somebody to off a bomb with a bunch of

[01:09:51] Carl Lanore: [01:09:51] resistors. So yeah, you're welcome if you ever

[01:09:55] Dr. Bob Dennis, PhD: [01:09:55] go. Yeah, yeah. It's filled with that kind of stuff. So if you're ever in central North Carolina, just give us a ring and [01:10:00] we'll give you a tour of the lab

[01:10:01] Carl Lanore: [01:10:01] real quick, real quick. Can you ship outside the country?

[01:10:04] I don't know. What's the deal? If somebody wants to get this from another country.

[01:10:08] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [01:10:08] We ship outside the country. We ship anywhere.

[01:10:11] Carl Lanore: [01:10:11] Okay, so there you go. Ivo. I've all lives outside the United States,

[01:10:16] Dr. Mark Tommerdahl, PhD: [01:10:16] so that's not an issue.

[01:10:18] Carl Lanore: [01:10:18] And I've always a master bio-hacker and I'm very jealous of his lifestyle just for the record.

[01:10:23] Uh, but he is going to, uh, probably love this unit and I'm sure I'll get feedback from him on that. All right guys, thanks so much. We're going to take one quick commercial break. When we come back, I'm going to talk about two things. I'm going to talk about my experiment. With glycine and my experiment with the new peptide, G H K.

[01:10:43] See you. Stay tuned and I will see you on the other side of this commercial break. Hey, I like that. A little humor. We'll be right back.

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[01:11:01] [01:11:00] Welcome back. You've been listening to my show, Patty, like the time you've heard me say. The good thing about it, some with some supplements is that they work. The bad thing about some supplements, those same supplements is they work and I learned a lesson. So I've been preaching to people to use glycine before bed for, I don't know, maybe six, seven years, maybe longer, and I've always said three grams, three grams of glycine, a bed, three grams grams of glycine at bed.

[01:11:30] No more. You don't need more than that. But recently I have been taking high doses of glycine, and my logic was I eat a lot of muscle meat. Hi, I'm a thianine. We know that glycine blunts the aging effects of . So I figured, well, I, you know, on a, on an average day, 300 grams of protein, a pound of beef, a pound of Turkey, you know, and I'm doing real carnival right now.

[01:11:55] I'm just doing strict carnivores. And so I thought, well, I gotta up my [01:12:00] glycine. I up my glycine about maybe a month and a half ago. I started taking probably 15, like I was measuring 10 grams in the beginning, and then I just got sloppy and I just started pouring it in the bottom of the cup. And, uh. I put a little a magnesium citrate powder in there.

[01:12:18] It has a nice lemony fizz taste. It's great drink. I take it right before bed. I fall asleep easy. I sleep all night, but I started noticing something about a month and a half ago when I would wake up in the middle of the night. I usually wake up once a night to go pee. When I was waking up in the middle of the night, the room was spinning.

[01:12:38] I was like, what's this about? And when I got up to go to the bathroom, I was like, really wobbly. What's this? Oh, my brain is aging. And I really thought it was multiple sclerosis. In fact, I'm still going to have a brain scan, uh, in the next couple of weeks just to make sure I don't have any lesions on my brain, [01:13:00] but I started looking at it.

[01:13:04] And connecting the dots of everything I do. I'm like, man, I'm off balance in them. I just bought a motorcycle. Like I don't want to be off balance and start riding a motorcycle after 40 years cause I'm going to, I'm going to kill myself. And so I took this very seriously and like a good biohacker. I started looking at everything.

[01:13:21] I did everything and little by little I just started taking stuff out of the equation. But I kept using high doses of glycine, probably 1520 even 25 grams in one shot before bed, and then of course, three grams, three milligrams of melatonin, a little alphaketoglutarate for the Argentine alphaketoglutarate, more for the alpha ketoglutarate than the Argentine because of its anti-aging effects and my magnesium powder.

[01:13:52] I started thinking about it. I stopped. I kept taking things out of the equation, kept taking things out of the equation, and all of a sudden [01:14:00] I thought, man, I take more gap a glycine now than I've ever done before. I wonder if it could be that. So I just started looking at the research on, on glycine. Well, glycine profoundly increases Gabba profoundly.

[01:14:16] In fact, glycine gram for gram produces more GABA in the brain than just taking Gabba and some of the symptoms of high Gabba are loss of balance. And I complained. I used to say, I wake up in the morning, my brain just feels tired. It's literally, I would say my brain feels tarred. I feel like my brain is exhausted, my body's ready to go, but my brain is exhausted.

[01:14:41] So a couple of nights ago, I stopped taking any glycine, and sure enough, my balance is coming back. It's going to take a week, probably because of the bioaccumulation effect. But my balance is coming back and I feel better and I'm waking up feeling refreshed, and [01:15:00] I'm thinking, we take it for granted. All of us out.

[01:15:02] You know, look, man, I've been abusing drugs since I was a kid. The drugs changed, but my abusive behavior hasn't changed. Uh, the drugs used to be recreational drugs. Uh, you name it. I took it. The only thing I never did was inject heroin, but I snorted a lot. I snorted a lot of Mexican Brown heroin, and so.

[01:15:25] Fast forward to now. Now my addiction is with my supplements and I overdo them just like an addict does. I cut the glycine out. My balance is back. I'm sharp again. I don't need caffeine in the morning to wake up. I feel great. So lesson, I've been telling people only take three grams before bed, but I did not have, I did not follow my own advice, which is typical of people like me.

[01:15:51] I'll tell you what to do, but I'm not doing it. I'm doing my own thing. So now I've cut glycine out and I will introduce glycine back in maybe in four or [01:16:00] five months. I'm sleeping good right now, so I don't feel any need for it, but I may introduce it again, but I'm only going to take my own advice and I'm never going to use more than three grams.

[01:16:10] So there you go. That's a lesson learned I want to share with you now. I started using. G H K see you yesterday. I got two pictures of the vial up there. It's from peptide sciences. If you use the code SHR, you'll get 10% off. So most of you know that I have been suffering with some autoimmune disorders, and that's why I've gone strict carnivore.

[01:16:35] I want to get rid of it. And. The reality is that after doing the show with Dr. York the other day and talking about GH KCU and then starting to read the studies, I realized, Holy crap, like the science is amazing on this. The science is amazing on this, and the science has been reproduced by other labs.

[01:17:01] [01:17:00] You want the copper bonded, the copper . G, H K because they compared supplemental copper and taking G H K with copper. And they found out that even if the GH cake leaches copper from the albumin, which is what it does, using the key laded form, has a greater effect on DNA. Uh, modifications that are great. I mean, this peptide effects so many genes turning bad ones off and good ones on.

[01:17:38] So one of the supposedly effects of gak CU is pain relief. I live with terrible pain in my legs, lower legs, my feet, my glutes, and it's a burning sensation. It's almost like I've ran a hundred miles. And ended up with lactic acid build up in my muscles. My sister suffered from it too. [01:18:00] They misdiagnosed her as having Parkinson's disease and she was already crippled at my age, so I know I'm doing better and once I start training again, when I train, it doesn't bother me at all, goes away, but I haven't trained in two months.

[01:18:14] So it's really gotten vicious. I took two and a half milligrams of a gak CU last night at 6:00 PM after my last meal, and within a half hour I felt the pain go away in my lower body like that fast. So I thought it was a fluke. So I did it again this morning. So this morning I got up. Jumped in the shower, got out of the shower, gave myself a shot.

[01:18:40] Literally the pain that I was walking around with like and a half hour, it just gets dulled. Plus I felt relaxed. I felt, um, I felt, um, like. I was in the zone is all I can say. I felt good, like I was driving to work somebody at the, uh, at the [01:19:00] grocery store I ran into, we talked for a little while. I was just like feeling great.

[01:19:04] And I keep thinking it's that I'm going to be doing five milligrams a day. So I'm doing two and a half milligrams in the morning and I'm gonna do two and a half milligrams later in the day. I get plenty of zinc in my diet. I don't need to supplement with zinc. Scott, Lola said, um, be sure to supplement with zinc.

[01:19:21] I, I'm going to eat a pound of beef. I eat a pound of beef every day. I've already eaten a pound of ham today. I'll be eating a pound of Turkey after the show. I get so much zinc in my diet, so much zinc in my diet, and I get a lot of compromised diet. So I'm not, um, this is, I'm not looking for this to increase copper.

[01:19:40] And that's what the research shows. Even in the face of adequate copper levels. This peptide bound to copper is magic, is magic. It's much better than just the gak by itself, and I'll be posting some studies in the next couple of days as I dig through them that I think have a great [01:20:00] value, but look at the pretty color.

[01:20:02] Look at the pretty color. Isn't that beautiful. It's a beautiful Sapphire blue. So what I did was I took this 50 milligram G, H, K and I added two milliliters of a bacteria, static sodium chloride solution. And so every 10 units is two and a half milligrams, and I will be doing five milligrams a day moving forward.

[01:20:28] And I'll see if it actually continues to work at that dose. And then I'll probably cut back to two and a half. Gak also interesting for, it's increasing in decorum. Okay. Uh, which inhibits myostatin and that's not why I'm saying, when you look at Scott, when you look at the research on this peptide, it almost seems too good to be true, but there's such a body of work on it.

[01:20:57] I mean, it's just amazing the number of people [01:21:00] that have studied it and seen the benefits of it, that it's, if you go to yourself, Holy crap, like this could actually be the one peptide that everybody should be using. It's just, it's just, it's, it's pleiotropic when, when you can accurately use the word pleiotropic when describing the benefits of this peptide.

[01:21:22] Really? But so, yeah. So I'll keep everybody posted. On a, what I'm noticing from it, but, uh, I'm excited, uh, how I feel already, uh, after using it just to, this is my second day know. Technically, I, my first shot was yesterday at 6:00 PM. I had a shot this morning at 7:00 AM I'll have another shot when I get home.

[01:21:43] I'm very excited about this and don't forget it has affects on autoimmunity. They see people with multiple sclerosis. See great benefits from using it. I have one gram coming. It's underrated compound. Yeah, you're right. Is yours [01:22:00] the copper chelated or is it just G? H K? Uh, um, I'm just curious. Just curious.

[01:22:06] And then, uh, I did, I see, uh, let's see. So another thing that Scott Lola contributes to the average person needs 15 grams a day. Body can make its own. He's talking about the, uh, the glycine. I was overdoing it. I use it as a sweetener in drinks. I use it as a sweetener. When I, before I went full on carnival, I was using it as a sweetener in my oatmeal in the morning, I was probably easily getting 30 grams a day ongoing for the past month and a half, you know?

[01:22:35] But Hey, Scott McNally was watching. I just saw this, my pal. Those of you who know Scott McNally, uh, he is the guy behind the get big network and he does some amazing bodybuilding shows. A great guy. I got to hang out with him. Not this past year, but the year before at the, uh, the Arnold. Great guy.

[01:22:54] Hardworking guy. Brilliant guy. Yeah. He said proper Jade. KCU good for you, man. [01:23:00] I'm really, I hope you message me. After using it for a week and tell me what you think of it. I have, I got to tell you, this isn't placebo. The pain in my legs gone is not a placebo. I can't imagine that away. I never have. So, Hey, he's still here.

[01:23:17] I told him he just popped in. Nice to see you. Thank you so much, brother. All right, so look, that's all I've got to report today. I'll keep every up to everybody up to date about my experiment with the gak. Again, if you want to get some. You can go to a peptide sciences.com if you use the code SHR, you'll save 10% off your order.

[01:23:40] Show them some love. They're good people. They have high quality peptides and they ship pretty much anywhere in the world. I hear people in Australia go, I can't get this in Australia. You can go to peptide sciences.com. Check it out. All right, so that's it for today. We'll see everybody tomorrow with more superhuman radio.

[01:23:57] Please share the show. Uh, help us get more people, [01:24:00] uh, involved in taking care of themselves here. Wait, I've, Oh, Sue says, when you don't weigh glycine, it's easy to overdo because it looks so little by weight a lot. Yeah, you're right. Because it's like sugar. It's like sugar crystals. It's like sugar crystals.

[01:24:17] I don't even think a level teaspoon. I think a level teaspoon is more than five grams. So I'm telling you, I was getting stupid amounts every single day, stupid amounts, and it, boy, it, it killed my brain. I mean, I thought I had something wrong with me. I asked dr earth to help me out in order a Tesla three brain scan because I was worried I had full blown ms, but now it's gone away.

[01:24:39] Since I stopped the glycine. I'm going to give it another week to clear out of my system. I look. Thank you for being here. Thank you for participating. Please share the show. We'll see everybody tomorrow with more superhuman radio. [01:25:00]