[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] welcome back to another episode of super human radio. We have a really important show for you today. We've done so many shows over the past 14 years about the ketogenic diet, the value of ketones, and we know that ketones in and of themselves have some special magic that needs to be paid attention to.

[00:00:15] Today we're going to be talking about something called the Veatch ketone Ester. Why it's different, why it's something you should consider, including. Uh, in your dietary intake. Uh, before we do that, we of course have to pay homage to the folks over at legendary foods. They are our title sponsor. They make this show possible.

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[00:01:17] So, okay. Uh, without further delay, let me bring my guest on. Frank. Yosef, how you doing, Frank?

[00:01:25] Frank Llosa: [00:01:25] Good, good. Thanks for having

[00:01:26] Carl Lanore: [00:01:26] me on the show. My pleasure. So, uh, let me get that background removed. Just one second. I, this is a brand new. Uh, no. Not yours. The one on my screen. This is a brand new. Yeah, this is a brand new video platform I'm using, so I'm still learning my way around it.

[00:01:44] Alright, so we first heard about ketone esters quite some time ago. Well, first of all, you can't talk about the ketogenic diet without talking about exogenous ketones. Ketones from outside. Uh, but you are taking that your body is [00:02:00] not producing. So L let's start off with the notion, uh, and the value of ketones in general for a second.

[00:02:08] How about that?

[00:02:09] Frank Llosa: [00:02:09] Okay, so super high level, the ketogenic diet is when someone consumes 80% fat, 15% protein, 5% carbs. Which is just a mind boggling amount of fat. People, you know, they think that they're doing the ketogenic diet, but they're really not because you really need 80% and that's where a lot of people make a mistake.

[00:02:27] And once you are in a ketogenic diet, by eating that those ratios, or by fasting for multiple days, your body will go into this emergency mode where it says, Oh, you know, we don't have enough fuel, enough glucose. So then it starts to go to your fat stores and starts to burn fat to make beta hydroxybutyrate one of the three main ketones.

[00:02:47] And that ketone will then fuel your body, whether it's your mind, your muscles, uh, whatnot. And that's what the ketogenic diet does. And that's endogenous production, which is your body making its own ketones and burning fat. [00:03:00] Exogenous ketones is when you drink it externally. And you're drinking that same molecule, that same beta hydroxybutyrate ketone molecule, but you're drinking externally.

[00:03:09] And what has been shown is you get many of the same benefits as a ketogenic diet, but not all the same benefits. And hopefully we'll, we'll talk about that cause it's not the same thing. You're not burning fat because you magically drink this drink even though the competitors might. No make for splashy headline saying that it's not something that I agree with.

[00:03:29] Carl Lanore: [00:03:29] Well, let's talk about two terms. Okay. So ketosis is a, is a biological phenomenon of starvation where the body starts to create ketones because they're an alternate substrate for energy that the brain, the heart, and really more importantly than anything else, the brain uses. Uh, but, but the muscles can use as well.

[00:03:50] Quito lysis is the utilization of ketones in the process of building a developing energy. So the reality is that [00:04:00] drinking a ketone, regardless of whether it's bound to a mineral or whether it's an Ester. Doesn't really put you in ketosis. It actually puts you into keto lysis because you're not making those ketones.

[00:04:15] The process of QI and, and you know, I've, I've had this discussion with lots of people on the show who was selling ketone supplements and they want, Oh no, we'll go technically where you are in ketosis at that moment. No, it's kind, kinda like, it's kind of like, okay, I have $500,000 in the bank that I earned.

[00:04:32] Well, I have $500,000 in the bank that I won in a lottery. I can't say I earned it because I wanted, so I can stay. It all spends the same, but they're very different origins.

[00:04:42] Frank Llosa: [00:04:42] Very different. And it makes for better marketing to say, drink this drink. You can hold up, you know, let's say prove it. Well, it might say that, drink this drink does a competitor's product, drink this drink and you'll be in ketosis and 30 minutes, 60 minutes in, or whatever the number is.

[00:04:57] It just makes for great headlines. And it's even more [00:05:00] confusing because a lot of the scientific papers actually use this phrase, nutritional ketosis to define, you know, exogenously consumed ketones. Well, they're not marketing people and they don't realize the damage that they're causing, the confusion that it's causing.

[00:05:13] I think it should just be called, uh, exogenous ketosis, ketosis derived exogenously or endogenous ketosis. Keep them separate because the number of phone calls that I get that, you know, they like to say, Oh yeah, I'm taking your drink and I'm in ketosis. I'm like, I can't let you continue with that sentence, because it is.

[00:05:32] It is very different,

[00:05:34] Carl Lanore: [00:05:34] and the reality is you're not burning fat if you're taking an exogenous ketone because your body doesn't have to break down the fat to make the ketones.

[00:05:44] Frank Llosa: [00:05:44] Right? Yeah. So they're, they're trying to skip a step and we don't even recommend using exogenous ketones or even ketone Ester when first entering into a ketogenic diet.

[00:05:54] If you're a first time on a ketogenic diet, we tell people, don't use our exogenous ketone unless maybe if you have [00:06:00] a doctor or a nutritionist that can advise you why? Because 80% of people mess up. So when they mess up, who are they gonna blame? Oh, they're gonna blame this magical drink. Well, it didn't do it for me then.

[00:06:11] You know, they didn't,

[00:06:12] Carl Lanore: [00:06:12] well, when you say mess up, they don't lose weight. They don't, they don't necessarily lose

[00:06:16] Frank Llosa: [00:06:16] weight. Or they take the wrong amount of electrolytes. They get the keto flu, and then they feel they feel worse for two weeks. And I say, Oh, it just didn't sit well with me. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't compatible with my body.

[00:06:29] All the excuses that come up when people make mistakes on a ketogenic diet, eating too much protein, not testing your blood, ketones, only testing urine strips. You know, all these mistakes. It's all going to come back to my product,

[00:06:42] Carl Lanore: [00:06:42] you know, blaming me. So there's another thing that I take issue with, uh, in the keto industry.

[00:06:49] So I, I will say often on my show that any diet that produces ketones is a ketogenic diet. For instance, if I eat less than 30 or 40 [00:07:00] grams of carbs a day, but I eat a lot of protein and I'm producing 1.6 millimoles a day, I'm in ketosis. You can't say, no, you've got to eat. So the other thing that, you know, there are therapeutic ketogenic diets that are used for seizures where you have to really eat a lot of fat.

[00:07:16] And you have to get the. Uh, blood levels of ketones up high. But the reality is that anybody who observes even an overnight 12 hour fast, like I stopped eating at 6:00 PM and I don't eat again till the next morning or post-workout, depends on what I'm doing. And I've checked my blood. I mean, when I wake up in the morning, I'm 1.1, 1.3 millimoles of, uh, of ketones just from the overnight fast.

[00:07:42] So that's from

[00:07:43] Frank Llosa: [00:07:43] eating the night before or regular eating?

[00:07:44] Carl Lanore: [00:07:44] No regular eating.

[00:07:46] Frank Llosa: [00:07:46] Okay. Well, that's unusual. That's a little bit on the higher side. Most people. You know, if they're not eating KIDO, they'll wake up with that time span. Point five would be on the

[00:07:55] Carl Lanore: [00:07:55] high. But see, I'm a local, I'm a low carb guy and I've been doing intermittent fasting for a [00:08:00] decade now.

[00:08:00] Frank Llosa: [00:08:00] Gotcha.

[00:08:01] Carl Lanore: [00:08:01] Okay. Yeah, I'm very metabolically flexible. In fact, the other day. I'm Elisa and I worked in the yard. We did something heroic. We literally rearranged and cleaned the garage cause I just got a new motorcycle on. I needed a place to park it. And we worked for nine hours straight and I was 26 hours fast that by the time we were done, I wasn't hungry.

[00:08:22] But you know, so I'm very metabolically flexible. I can go for long periods of time, but that's because I have been doing this for so long that my body starts to produce ketones pretty quickly. But back to my assertion. If you're producing ketones on a vegan diet, you're in ketosis.

[00:08:38] Frank Llosa: [00:08:38] Yeah, I actually am a vegan keto.

[00:08:40] I don't know if you knew that.

[00:08:41] Carl Lanore: [00:08:41] No, I didn't.

[00:08:42] Frank Llosa: [00:08:42] I'm vegan keto, but am I eating 80% 15 five probably not, but I wake up every morning with, you know, between 0.5 and 1.0 so it's keto. You can technically have a ketogenic diet just eating sugar if you just ate. Three grams of sugar, and that's all you ate for the entire day.

[00:08:59] Right. [00:09:00] That's ketogenic.

[00:09:00] Carl Lanore: [00:09:00] Right. So, thank you. Thank you. So getting back to the assertion that, uh, producing ketones, uh, it, you know, it is, I'm sorry, getting back to the assertion that, uh, using a in his ketones will help stimulate weight loss. They may extrinsically stimulate weight loss if they allow you to fast longer.

[00:09:20] Right? So

[00:09:21] Frank Llosa: [00:09:21] indirectly, you know, so some of these advertisements that say this one liner, you know, losing weight or, or putting the ketosis, if it helps you do, let's say one meal a day, fasting where you otherwise could not do it, and you took it in the morning, 10:00 AM and you took it again at 3:00 PM or are you able to take it once and help you go all the way to dinner?

[00:09:41] Sure. But it's the intermittent fasting that's making you lose weight, not the exhaust. Just keep those not making you lose weight. And my wife even said that I can't sell this as a weight loss product until she loses weight on it. And the problem that she has is she tries to do a ketogenic diet, but then sometimes when the ketone esters come in, it's [00:10:00] kind of, you know, she might lax her diet a little bit more, and then you know that that backfires.

[00:10:05] So the diet is just as important. And if you think that this thing, the supplement that you take is going to do it all for you, it's just not going to work. It still requires. Hard work. And I think there's a lot to weight loss that's mental. And if you put all of your eggs into the basket of this bottle, of this supplement, and not go to the root of the problem, which is your brain and just cravings and, and, yes, it's hard and empowering too.

[00:10:28] Not eat for a day or two. It's pretty empowering. It shows your, your power over food. That food does not control you. That part, you know, the exhaust ketones won't help and can actually hurt because you're, if you don't lose weight, you're blaming the drink. It's the drink's fault. It's not, it's not me. It

[00:10:44] Carl Lanore: [00:10:44] takes hard work.

[00:10:45] Why do you say exogenous ketones for first timers is a mistake when they're going, kiddo.

[00:10:50] Frank Llosa: [00:10:50] Well when they're going keto, because they make mistakes. So there's the common mistakes are not enough salt intake. Initially people will lose five pounds of weight [00:11:00] when they go keto, and they love it because, Hey, I just lost five pounds.

[00:11:03] No, it's misleading. It's all Waterweight. Why? Because every molecule of glucose is attached to a molecule of water. And when you lose your glucose, water just comes flushing out of your system. Five pounds of it. And first of all, you should throw away your scale cause that losing five pounds is going to mess you up mentally and then you, your hormones get messed up even more.

[00:11:23] But, um, so with the, the water that's lost massive amounts of salt. Is lost with it. We're talking, if I told you that it takes salt pills, I think I got some right here. It'd be like, you know, a third of this bottle, 20 salt pills that you would need every day to replenish your salt. But people don't do that, cause that sounds crazy.

[00:11:42] Um, and if you don't replenish your soul, you're, you don't have enough metal going through your body with water and just conducting electricity. So then you start getting brain fog. You get lethargic. So those are the mistakes people make. Uh, they eat too much protein. Protein turns into carbs when you eat [00:12:00] too much.

[00:12:00] Carl Lanore: [00:12:00] Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. That's, that's not an accurate statement, but I get where you're going. So protein, certain amino acids in protein, like leucine, like glycine, uh, they are highly Glucogenix. And if the body wants glucose, it, it can make that glucose. From protein, but saying proteins turn into carbs.

[00:12:24] Carbohydrates is a carbohydrate as it is as a macro nutrient. It could turn into glucose, but it's not going to turn into pasta. You know what I'm saying?

[00:12:35] Frank Llosa: [00:12:35] Gluconeogenesis. If the 15% is the recommended amount, the number two mistake behind the salt is eating 30 40 50% protein cause they. Load up on meat as opposed to loading up

[00:12:47] Carl Lanore: [00:12:47] on the oil.

[00:12:48] But see, but see, we've done shows that show that, um, that, that that's really something people don't need to worry about. And in other words, gluconeogenesis, eh, I eat, I [00:13:00] don't eat a lot of fat per se. I eat the fat that comes along with the meat and stuff that I eat the fish, but my blood sugar in the morning is 67.

[00:13:10] So it's not like my body, you'll, your body will produce the glucose that it needs through gluconeogenesis. But gluconeogenesis is a very expensive process to the body. It's a lot of work for the body to produce it. It usually only does it during starvation, and we hope we're not starving. Uh, which

[00:13:29] Frank Llosa: [00:13:29] the kids like that is kind of like, yes, carbs.

[00:13:32] Yes. I'm afraid too, when you're trying to enter into Quito. When you're trying to get your blood ketones in the morning between 0.5 and 1.5 and they're scratching their heads saying, it's not working. Either they feel bad. That's one problem, which is assault, or it's not working. My ketones aren't getting high enough.

[00:13:48] And then you evaluate how much protein they have, and oftentimes the protein is double what it should be, and that kicks them out of ketosis in the morning. Right? So by taking the exogenous ketones for the first time while trying to do [00:14:00] keto, just 80 90% of people. Do it wrong and mess up, and then I've just found that, you know, the number one returns of the product are the five people that tried to do a ketogenic diet and said, Oh, it didn't work, and they were just messing up in the kitchen like that.

[00:14:13] It's hard. It's hard to do it right.

[00:14:15] Carl Lanore: [00:14:15] Samurai Jack says, when doing a KIDO and intimate and fasting, do you suggest a carb reload day? Do you believe in that?

[00:14:23] Frank Llosa: [00:14:23] I don't believe in carbon reloads. And you know, there might be science out there that says every year or two years, every couple of months reloading.

[00:14:30] I've never reloaded. I feel dumber when I eat, you know, glucose eat a cake. I don't look at a cake and crave it. I don't, I don't agree with the idea of. Of reloading. Now my wife goes in and out, you know, every few months. And then they'll still be super productive for, you know, for a couple of weeks and

[00:14:47] Carl Lanore: [00:14:47] go back down.

[00:14:47] And now women are different. And you know, look, women actually have factories that make other human beings. So when we look at their dietary needs, their body is always trying to protect [00:15:00] the probability that they may get pregnant. And so women, I know women who go too low. In carbohydrates who then see thyroid changes, they will see, they will become very hypothyroid.

[00:15:11] So I, I've learned on this show after 14 years, not to say generalizations when it comes to nutrition cause there are people out there. But if you feel like, you know, dr Mardi Pasqual wrote the first book about the keto diet 35 years ago. He called it the phase shift diet. And it was actually for athletes.

[00:15:30] It was called the metabolic diet. Uh, and, and he believed in a five day, uh, Keno approach. And, and on the weekends you could carve reload car brief feed. He used to call it, but it wasn't, you didn't go crazy. You didn't go like, okay, I'm just going to eat pizza and pasta for two days. Small amounts of,

[00:15:48] Frank Llosa: [00:15:48] I thought you meant the reloading, which is where you go.

[00:15:51] The other type of reloading is when your KIDO. Two or three or four months, you go keto for a week, you go off of Quito and then you come back. [00:16:00] But the concept of the five day Quito and two days off, I hate that. I absolutely hate that. I think that's the horrible, it takes a good solid two weeks to just get into ketosis, let alone, you know, five days.

[00:16:11] So I have seen people do this before. They go keto for five days, and then they, right when they're, it's like a battery in your system that has glycogen, right? When your glycogen finally gets a zero, it's just starting to work. You're going to top off the battery and start all over again. It defeats the point so that five days.

[00:16:29] Quito and two days off, they just started to, uh, have the benefits and then they, they killed it by going off. So I don't, I don't agree with that.

[00:16:37] Carl Lanore: [00:16:37] Interesting. Interesting. Okay. Uh, let me, let me take this down. So, uh, let's talk a little bit, and we've got lots of comments coming up. We'll get to everything. I promise you.

[00:16:45] Um. So let's talk more about a ketone salts versus ketone Ester. So in the beginning, it was all ketone salt, thanks to people like Dominic D'Agostino and Patrick Arnold leading the way, binding, um, uh, [00:17:00] BHB to minerals. But then the ketone Ester showed up, and these were a much more efficient, exclusive delivery.

[00:17:08] And, and, and I remember Pat Arnold telling me. I hope somebody doesn't introduce a ketone Ester. This is like, I don't know, maybe eight years ago, seven, eight years ago, but explain the difference between a ketone salt and a ketone Ester. All right,

[00:17:21] Frank Llosa: [00:17:21] so when your body burns fat, it makes this molecule called the beta hydroxy be tiered assets.

[00:17:27] So it's acidic and you can't drink that drink by itself because it's just way too acidic. We're talking 1.2 pH, just way too acidic. So what the solution that many companies on Amazon, there's maybe a hundred of them selling ketone salts. They'll take this beta hydroxy material acid, and then they'll combine a base assault.

[00:17:46] So people think of salt, they only think of sodium, but salt is actually. Sodium, potassium, magnesium, calcium. So they'll attach those to bring the base up so that you can consume it. But the problem with that, so [00:18:00] that's one of the differences. The ketone salt is with a base. A ketone Ester combines that beta hydroxy BTR acid with another molecule called  butane dial, which happens to be a great flavoring molecule.

[00:18:12] And ironically, that one's reboot. Turns out when you consume it. It goes into the liver and converts to beta hydroxybutyrate, so you have, when it gets into the body, you start with beta hydroxybutyrate that goes straight directly into the blood and then a second time release of one, three B, 10 dial that goes to the liver and makes beta hydroxybutyrate very similar to MCT oil, CA oil, and I love it when I hear someone say, Oh, I don't use exogenous ketones.

[00:18:39] And then they're chugging. CA.

[00:18:40] Carl Lanore: [00:18:40] Yeah. That's

[00:18:41] Frank Llosa: [00:18:41] pretty much on exoticness ketone, even though you're not exactly directly consuming. People think that drinking CA MCT oil is burning, that they're burning fat. No, not really. They're consuming something that converts

[00:18:55] Carl Lanore: [00:18:55] to beta

[00:18:56] Frank Llosa: [00:18:56] hydroxybutyrate, but only 15% of [00:19:00] the calories and MCT oil convert to beta hydroxybutyrate.

[00:19:03] Whereas. One 70% of the one 10 dial converts to beta hydroxy.

[00:19:08] Carl Lanore: [00:19:08] So how long, so how long does it take for that process? So if I take, um, uh, the, the, the product that you sell is called ketone aid.com is the website. And just for the record, I'm getting nothing to, to do this interview, but those of you who go to that website and use the code SHR, you'll get a secret surprise discount that I can't say on the air.

[00:19:28] Let's just leave it that way. But. Uh, so if I drink that, obviously the first wave of, uh, of, of ketones enters my bloodstream. How quickly from the,

[00:19:39] Frank Llosa: [00:19:39] within 15 minutes.

[00:19:40] Carl Lanore: [00:19:40] Okay. That second wave that takes first pass liver, uh, exchange to a car, how long has that happened?

[00:19:48] Frank Llosa: [00:19:48] Well, the peak is that 45 minutes. We're not able to determine by testing the blood ketones, where the ketones came from, but the peak is at 45 minutes.

[00:19:56] And then it. Goes down for the next hour, [00:20:00] which actually you're bringing up a topic that I've actually never talked about in a podcast, which is people are chasing these ketones in their blood when they take exogenous ketones, but they don't realize that the ketones do don't do anything in the blood.

[00:20:12] It's when they get out of the blood and go to the muscles and go to the brain that it actually starts to do something. So just because it tailed off doesn't mean it's just starting in the system. And there was a recent human trial on brains where they actually were able to test. The ketones in the brain, and even though at 45 minutes the blood ketones started to go down, they were still peaking at 90 minutes,

[00:20:32] Carl Lanore: [00:20:32] which means that they stay are stored in tissue, then they're stored in tissue until the tissue is ready to use them.

[00:20:38] I

[00:20:38] Frank Llosa: [00:20:38] don't know. I, I'm not a scientist, I'm not a doctor and I won't pretend, so I don't know exactly where it's stored or how that's how that works. But they were somehow able to detect that it was. Those in the brain of 90 minutes. But they stopped the test. I wish they would have seen, you know, how long it really lasts in there.

[00:20:54] And some people I've told to take less of my product cause they're chasing these numbers 1.0 2.0 [00:21:00] and they want to be, you know, stabilize at that entire right. And I said. No, you don't really need that. You can do that with the diet. If you eat the diet, you're going to be stabilized, except for when you eat.

[00:21:09] It's going to fluctuate a little bit, but the exoticness, it gets into your system and you don't have to be chasing those numbers so much. But back to the ketone salts. Um, the second problem with the ketone salts is that they are what's called racemic and Dr. Beach, he passed away a month ago. Um, he's the inventor of all of this stuff, worked in NIH for 40 years under Krebs.

[00:21:30] The Krebs cycle. And yeah, he'd said that he would throw, he wouldn't touch the racemic ketone salts with a 10 foot pole,

[00:21:37] Carl Lanore: [00:21:37] but, but, but, but in all fairness, because he discovered this, so I mean, he

[00:21:43] Frank Llosa: [00:21:43] started, he started with the ketone salts.

[00:21:45] Carl Lanore: [00:21:45] Right. No, I understand that. But then when he came out with the V Chester, right?

[00:21:49] Frank Llosa: [00:21:49] But he started with the ketone salts that were always non receiving. So there's a, a version of the ketone salts, which I can talk about, which competitors have that, that is a hundred percent bioavailable, but most of them, 90% [00:22:00] of the stuff on Amazon is receiving. So it has both the deform and the L form.

[00:22:05] And the body can only use the D form, but the L form is wasted. But still has that same mineral load. So we're talking about massive quantities. Uh, so this is a, uh, received Mick ketone salt, and the total assault load on the back is. It's almost two grams of salt, and I'm all for, you know, loading up your assault when you're entering.

[00:22:25] It keeps genic diet. And some people will turn to these racemic salts and they think that if the ketones that are helping them, but it's just the salt, right? See the whole bunch of money, buy some salt tablets, and it's the salt that they're feeling, which is why after two weeks on the ketogenic diet taking Racine ketone salts, they say, Hey, it stopped working.

[00:22:42] I can't put my ring on anymore. Why is that? Because your body stabilized didn't need that salt load, and now you're just, you know, inflamed. So there was some, most of the products are receiving, but Dr. Beach, when he did his initial testing was still doing nonrisky NIC salts. So the deform only, [00:23:00] but still, he bothered, there wasn't enough energy creation, which is why he then progressed to the ketone esters.

[00:23:05] Carl Lanore: [00:23:05] How can you determine, so how, is there a way that somebody can look at a label of a ketone salt and know whether or not it's racemic.

[00:23:13] Frank Llosa: [00:23:13] Uh, indirectly, if it, it's the opposite. If they didn't go out of their way saying that it's the deform or the R form, it's like a metric system that's either the D or the art form.

[00:23:24] It costs two to, well, the ketone Ester would cost 10 times more on the deform, but the ketone salts might cost a hundred percent more. The company is going to go out of their way and label it the or are because it's just wildly more expensive. Right? The absence of labeling DNR, it is the same. It just, it just is.

[00:23:44] They're not going to spend twice as much for the starting material, which all comes from China. We make our stuff in the U S comes from China. They're going to want to put on their label that, Hey, this stuff is, is higher purity. Um, and what they do is they put here, you know, 11,000 milligrams or 11 grams, [00:24:00] but it's receiving it.

[00:24:01] So it's only,

[00:24:02] Carl Lanore: [00:24:02] it's only five and a half grams of really what

[00:24:04] you

[00:24:04] Frank Llosa: [00:24:04] want and a half. But then there's also some evidence that the excess salt load might block some of that, and then the L might block some of that. So that 11 grams is effectively more like four, four and a half grams. So what really matters is, you know, what's my cost to raise my millimolar?

[00:24:22] You know, what's your goal? Point five 1.0 and it should be the cost for one millimolar rise. So people think that ketone Ester is expensive. Someone even on a podcast, Oh, I've got a mortgage on my house by ketone esters. I misunderstanding this. You know, we started off with this drink for tour de France athletes because they were taking it secretly for five years, and they take the entire amount and sure it's 30 bucks for this bottle.

[00:24:44] But then our actual customer started only taking a cap full and the cap full was only $2 and 50 cents worth, and they were getting a 0.5 you know, some women might get a 1.0 millimole arise. So when you break it down on a cost per effectiveness, it's [00:25:00] actually fairly similar without the massive salt load of ketone salts.

[00:25:04] Carl Lanore: [00:25:04] Now, some of them now, some of them are exclusively sodium and calcium, and the ones that I like preferably that I've used in the past that are ketone salt based, or the ones that are quad salts, you know they have magnesium, potassium, sodium, and calcium. Yeah. Any opinions on that? Am I making a mistake?

[00:25:21] Should I just stick with the ones that is sodium and calcium? No, no.

[00:25:24] Frank Llosa: [00:25:24] So the way that, uh, sodium works versus potassium, the downside is that potassium is twice as weak as sodium two to buffer it. So you have to actually have, you know, 200 milligrams of sodium for every 100 milligrams of 200 milligrams of potassium or 100 milligrams of sodium.

[00:25:45] So you have to pick your poison. Would you rather have two X of potassium and have more potassium in there and lower sodium or do you want. So just keep the total assault load to be as low as possible. I do like the idea of spreading them across all four because there are some [00:26:00] synergies with them. Um, so I do agree with that.

[00:26:03] Some people try to sell a product that is low in sodium or sodium free, and they just make people think about assault free, which is confusing, but all they're doing is moving all the salt to the other ones. And magnesium, if it gets too high, you'll have diarrhea. Um, calcium can create kidney stones, the super high amounts.

[00:26:20] So you really want to balance it, which is why this is a good segue. We, we took our average customer taking Katie for the ketone Ester, which is 50% ketone Ester. They were only taking two capitals. So what we did is we made a new product that put that amount of ketones into a ready to drink bottle. So you're not measuring out capitals.

[00:26:41] But then we made it half ketone Ester and then half of it was what we call a reduced salt ketone salt. So. It makes it much more palatable. It's already diluted. It's only five or six bucks a drink as opposed to this, you know, mind boggling. $30 a drink and the, we do the [00:27:00] plod salts. We do one 35 milligrams of sodium, one 35 potassium.

[00:27:04] Calcium 40, magnesium 60. So we do spread them across.

[00:27:09] Carl Lanore: [00:27:09] And I liked that because you need all of these, uh, minerals in your blood and your in your body. Uh, so I don't have a name here because this person has a privacy setting on Facebook, but it says, too bad esters tastes like burnt garbage. So the first time, the first time I had esters.

[00:27:24] I was in, I was in, uh, in California at a meeting at quest nutrition, and they had this big gallon jug of it, and it did taste pretty bad. I mean, I felt like I was drinking paint lacquer. That's what it tasted like to me.

[00:27:36] Frank Llosa: [00:27:36] Yeah. I think one flavor and experts said that this was absolutely the worst molecule that they've ever tasted and man couldn't make something tastes worse.

[00:27:45] But let's talk about the history of, of tastes. So initially Peter RTO was on a Tim Ferriss podcast talking about how he got this drink. He did not follow the directions on how to mask the flavor. So we just took it straight and he had this vision of, Oh my God, at 6:00 AM and if I [00:28:00] have to throw this up on the kitchen counter, I'm going to have to, you know, hopefully my kids won't wake up and see me eating it off of the counter because it's so expensive that I'm not going to

[00:28:08] Carl Lanore: [00:28:08] leave yet.

[00:28:09] Right.

[00:28:09] Frank Llosa: [00:28:09] But this image is, it's ingrained into people's heads. So a few things, you didn't follow the instructions on diluting it. So. And the flavor masking with some, some sweetener non-color sweetener, but that was also synthetically made. It was just very, very chemical process. The current process is actually all natural improvement claims that they're the first and only all natural ketone product.

[00:28:31] It's just not true. We've been making it that way from the beginning. All fermented, just like beer and wine. It's, it's all natural. So that, first of all, it tastes. Significantly better than the synthetic stuff, and then we dilute it with, you know, 50% water in our, in our flagship product, and then adding just a minimal amount of Stevia, no carbs.

[00:28:51] People will actually say that it's quote unquote, not bad, but we still recommend people will do a splash of water to dilute it. I still dilute it. My wife [00:29:00] takes it straight and thinks that I'm a wimp for diluting it. I don't like the taste tastes rate, but some people have liked it. The new drink that has six times more diluted and it has some ketone salts in it.

[00:29:10] I mean, it tastes, I mean, I won't say like a Gatorade, but it is pretty close. The, the flavor issue has been solved. It no longer tastes like burnt rubber, especially the new drank that's mixed with the ketone salts. It's not even an issue anymore.

[00:29:25] Carl Lanore: [00:29:25] So we have to take a quick commercial break. When we come back, we've got more questions.

[00:29:29] We've got some comments piling up as well. We'll get to everybody's questions. Uh, if you have questions about ketone esters, I've tried them and they're not terrible. They almost taste a little bit like, uh, a really powerful black cherry. Yeah. Did you take the

[00:29:45] Frank Llosa: [00:29:45] new one or the strong concentrated one and did

[00:29:48] Carl Lanore: [00:29:48] you do, I tried both of them.

[00:29:49] I tried the other one. The other one I was able to just shoot down the one that's part salts and part Esther. I mean I just shot that down. But the other one, the way I was measuring, yeah, the only metric

[00:29:58] Frank Llosa: [00:29:58] you have to put it in [00:30:00] a splash of water dilute it a little bit. Cause otherwise the 50% concentration and just like the ketone salts, they recommend 10 ounces of water.

[00:30:07] If you put it in half of an ounce of water and you try and drink that,

[00:30:10] Carl Lanore: [00:30:10] you

[00:30:11] Frank Llosa: [00:30:11] have to put apples and apples. Half an ounce of water. You're eating on ocean,

[00:30:14] Carl Lanore: [00:30:14] but it wasn't terrible. It wasn't terrible. I mean, I've tasted worst things. Yeah. So it's not like his dog gagged or anything like that. And I used the, I went through a couple of bottles of it.

[00:30:24] Jay and Elisa did too. She used a lot less than me. I was using like 15. What is that? That measuring thing that you send the

[00:30:30] Frank Llosa: [00:30:30] 1550 amounts for the wide tube. You might've gotten a skinny too, which was 15

[00:30:35] Carl Lanore: [00:30:35] yeah. Yeah. So I, I took 15 whenever I took it. Um, and I liked it, but I'm more interested in the longevity value of, of, of ketones.

[00:30:45] And that's what I'm, cause we've done a lot of shows on. The value of, of what ketones do as signaling molecules and how they affect ATP and NAD. So let's talk about that when we come back. Okay. All right. The website is ketone [00:31:00] aid, K, ETO, N, E, I d.com. I'm not getting anything for doing this interview. I'm just fascinated by this stuff.

[00:31:07] And as a result, if you go there and use the code SHR, you'll get some sort of secret discount we can't talk about. I'll be right back. Is this superhuman channel

[00:31:21] back? I don't know why my camera isn't showing up. It's being persnickety. Yeah. Let's see. Something.

[00:31:32] Oh, this is great. Can you, Oh, can you hear me Frank? I can hear you perfectly. Okay. But nobody has to see my ugly mug anyway. For some reason my camera is, uh, is frozen. It'll come back. But anyway, um, so that was my friend Tony PKS who actually posted that comment about it tasting like bird garbage. And he was the guy that we used to drink this stuff out of that jug when we were over at quest cause he was at quest too.

[00:31:54] So let's talk a little bit about the, uh,

[00:31:57] Frank Llosa: [00:31:57] it's come a long way. I've got to send them [00:32:00] some, see what he thinks.

[00:32:00] Carl Lanore: [00:32:00] Yeah. Let's talk a little bit about the longevity study that was done by dr Veech. Talk about that a little bit.

[00:32:07] Frank Llosa: [00:32:07] Sure. So that came out a couple of years ago. And what he did, it was a review paper, actually, no, they might've done a test on mice.

[00:32:13] They reviewed five papers that talked about longevity in different animals, whether it be my dogs, and, uh, they did longevity testing. Through caloric restriction. And each one of these papers had a different, uh, uh, conclusion as to why they thought or hypothesis of why they thought that the animals living longer.

[00:32:33] And to make a long story short, that longevity paper that I did basically said you all missed the point. It was the ketones stupid. It was the ketones and that look caloric restriction environment. It was the ketones that got produced. And that's what led to the longevity. And I did test this with mice.

[00:32:52] Where they gave them ketones and they didn't even put them on a ketogenic diet. They actually took the normal cat, the normal mice chow, which is 70% [00:33:00] carbs, and I don't know what the rest is, but it doesn't really matter. And they dropped that 70 down to either 40 or 50% carbs. So still high carbs and injected, uh, not injected, but gave ketone Ester in the feedstock.

[00:33:12] And what they found was the mice. Live longer with the presence of ketones, but I still think that the presence of ketones is still only half of the equation that they haven't looked at. Half of the equation is increasing ketones, but the other half of the equation, and maybe even

[00:33:28] Carl Lanore: [00:33:28] more

[00:33:28] Frank Llosa: [00:33:28] important, is lowering the carbs.

[00:33:30] So I'd be very interested if they redid that study and kept the sugar, especially fast carbs, uh, as low as possible. Not as low as possible, but just much lower, whether that increased longevity even more. So I think sugar is impairing longevity just as much as ketones. Maybe increasing longevity.

[00:33:50] Carl Lanore: [00:33:50] Sorry, I had, I had to kill my mic so I could restart my camera.

[00:33:53] So I, um, I actually did a show in 2006 that showed, and this was the first of its [00:34:00] kind. That it's glucose signaling that causes cellular senescence. So now, you know, we've come all this way 14 years later and we realize, Oh, senescent cells, that's the key to, you know, aging and disease States, and well, guess what sugar causes senescent cells.

[00:34:14] But interestingly enough, he tones have a unique effect that they in fact, increase insulin sensitivity. Do they not?

[00:34:23] Frank Llosa: [00:34:23] Well, it lowers blood sugar consistently across the board. As far as insulin. I don't know exactly how it affects insulin because it's different. Whether it's a person that is not moving versus the person that's on a bicycle doing a performance.

[00:34:36] It, it varies. So I'm not really, uh, up to date on the, on the insulin effect, but the glucose effect. Which is actually one of the problems when you take too much exogenous ketones or too much ketone esters specifically, it actually lowers blood glucose and can impair performance, which is why we don't suggest people do it game day.

[00:34:53] But we'll go into sports in a

[00:34:55] Carl Lanore: [00:34:55] second. No, no. Yeah. Cause I just put this up, I, you know, conflicting papers on sports performance. So. [00:35:00] The reality is a lot of people probably would benefit from taking less than they use in the way of ketone esters or even a non racemic ketone salts because they're plummeting blood.

[00:35:12] You do need some blood glucose. You need it. You know? I think a lot of people take ketones and expect to feel what they feel from caffeine, like energized and, and they don't. In fact, sometimes they feel kind of washed out. Maybe they're just taking too much.

[00:35:29] Frank Llosa: [00:35:29] Well, yes. So you touched upon the caffeine. So let's, let's nail that real quickly.

[00:35:33] So with caffeine, most of the ketone salts that are sold are sold with caffeine. Why do they do that?

[00:35:38] Carl Lanore: [00:35:38] So you can feel something.

[00:35:40] Frank Llosa: [00:35:40] So you use something. And what happens is the ketones multiply that caffeine effect. And there are some studies that show that the caffeine may increase the ketones in your blood.

[00:35:51] Not quite sure about

[00:35:51] Carl Lanore: [00:35:51] that. But that's, that's in the face of a ketogenic diet. In other words, if you're eating high fat. Low, very low carbohydrates [00:36:00] and you use caffeine. There seems to be an increase in the livers ability to put out more ketones, but that's not going to affect you if you're drinking.

[00:36:08] Ketone. Uh,

[00:36:09] Frank Llosa: [00:36:09] maybe probably not, but I haven't tested it. So, you know, I don't know. But when people say that they drank a ketone salt and they really felt it, the first thing I ask is, did you, did it have caffeine in it? And what you felt was the caffeine being multiplied. Not the ketone Ester cause the ketone Ester, when people take just ketone Ester, they say it's hard to explain.

[00:36:30] That's like the first line out of their mouth. And they, they try to explain it as a more of a calming energy, kind of like a Ninja. So they're energetic, but yet they're calm and focused and ready for the task. So it's drastically different. Now. We don't tell people not to combine it with caffeine, but just warn them that.

[00:36:47] It's going to multiply the caffeine as if you took two cups of coffee, but in a bad way, not like a free cup of coffee, but in delivering too much caffeine, which will result in the subsequent crash. So if you do want to play around with [00:37:00] the ketone salts, great, but get the caffeine free version and then mix that with your coffee or whatnot.

[00:37:06] And isolate the variable so you really know what you're getting. Because some products will only be sold. Some ketone products, they only sell them with caffeine because they want people to feel them. And as far as reducing your ketone salts amount, the problem is that the salt load is, is so large that very little amount of ketones are delivered in these packets.

[00:37:24] So if you cut it back already cut, you know, one of these ketone packets in half, this is a nonrisky Mac. Cut that in half. Then we're talking about one half of a capful of. Four it just, it just,

[00:37:37] Carl Lanore: [00:37:37] it gets to way, way, way. How long does ke fall last? If I take it at 12 o'clock is it pretty much done exerting anything effective?

[00:37:47] Four hours later, three hours later, five hours.

[00:37:50] Frank Llosa: [00:37:50] Oftentimes people report four or five hours later when they're using it for their mind. Now, if you're using it for sport, about 90 minutes is when people find that they need to re [00:38:00] up, but even the tiniest amount. So this is where it's very confusing and.

[00:38:03] This is where it's biohacking versus science. All the science papers, they take massive quantities of ketone Ester and they take them with glucose and they're non ketogenic athletes. So it's just drastically different profile, which is why some of the papers are conflicting. We can touch upon that in a second, but with even a small amount, $5 worth of the amount that you took, which is about $7 worth of ketone Ester.

[00:38:27] Taking that before a one hour or two hour run. It should mathematically, based on the ATP and the calories, it should be burned up in 15 minutes. It should be just gone. But we think that there might be some indogenous singling because for some reason they're just not needing the fuel. They're not feeling hungry, and they just say, Hey, normally I have a big meal before my two hour run, but your protocol said to skip breakfast.

[00:38:50] You know, how is that possible? But they do it and then they report that they're not hungry. So running, we find about 90 minutes, maybe that's because of the glycogen storage kind of falls [00:39:00] off. So you're only left with one fuel, but people will re up every hour with a small amount of ketone Ester, you don't want to take too much cause your blood sugar will drop too much.

[00:39:09] And even my cousin, I got him to take the ketone Ester for a run for the first time and he said, Hey, I run six months. I'm like, Hey, don't put no placebo into going to class. He's like, no, no, I know my body and you know I, and he wasn't expecting much. And he reported back. I felt horrible. I felt flat. I felt, you know that, and I said, he was like, probably it was just a bad day.

[00:39:28] I said, no, no, that's the ketone Ester. And he said, I thought you said this works. I was like, yes, this works when it works, but when it doesn't work, it doesn't work. It makes things worse. Why? Because you're in this constant struggle of glucose versus ketones. It's a food, and your one is competing against the other, whether it's a preferred fuel or not.

[00:39:46] People say ketones are a preferred fuel. Yeah. In the absence of the glucose, watch the button. And

[00:39:52] Carl Lanore: [00:39:52] in fact, I, in fact, I always thought too, and I've said it on the show years ago, probably seven, eight years ago, that the ideal, [00:40:00] uh, sports performance supplement would have free forming amino acids and, uh, and or a, a, a good, uh, whey protein isolate and some amount of.

[00:40:15] Like us cyclic dextrin, you know, uh, an advanced type of, uh, uh, uh, uh, um, carbohydrate and ketone esters because then your body could selectively choose what it wants to run on at that moment. Different tissue may want different things, but it sounds like I'm really off on that because if you give it everything, it won't work.

[00:40:37] Frank Llosa: [00:40:37] Well, there's, there's some parts of what you said that are just really nail it. Maybe by accident. So if you're going up a Hill, the ketone esters kick in the type of muscle has more mitochondria, which the ketone Ester fuels the mitochondria for that uphill push. And it's not going to be using much of the glucose.

[00:40:53] So then when you're going downhill and you're, you know, full steam ahead, it's not going to use the ketones. It's going to use the glucose. So in one [00:41:00] sense, that might be, you know, a good utilization of putting them together. But the problem with the glucose, even that, you know, the fancier try glucose. So some is that it's a dirty fuel.

[00:41:10] It creates lactic acid, and that will be what impedes performance. Whereas ketone Ester will decrease the increase, if that makes sense. Decrease the increase of lactic acid by 50% so normally it'll be going up like this. It goes up like this. So what do you do when you have less lactic acid? You don't feel it, you don't notice the difference and just go a little bit faster until you hit that lactic acid, lactic acid threshold.

[00:41:33] And then they ask you on a survey, you know, did you notice? Do you think you were taking ketones or placebo? And they don't notice or feel a difference cause they just went faster and they didn't know their numbers. Because they just went to their, you know, their lactic acid threshold. I think ultimately you might be right.

[00:41:49] Maybe the dual fuel is where people will end up and they can find strategic ways to use it. Well, there's right before a mountain climb or you know, avoiding the [00:42:00] sprints because you do need it for sprints and will impair, I think it will impair your sprint performance. It'll take you down to 98% but then it'll allow you to do a sprint longer.

[00:42:09] So you could be an athlete that changes their strategy. If you normally. Start the breakout group, I don't know, 10 miles or whatever the number is before the finish line. You might have to start at 1213 miles. You won't be at a hundred percent you'll be at 99 98 you'll be lower because you have less glucose, but then you'll be able to go faster.

[00:42:27] But I think ultimately, and hopefully, maybe it's a little bit of a bias that the ketogenic diet or before many years of science, the ketogenic diet just was proven to get people up to baseline. And that's it. They would go, they would dip when they start a ketogenic diet, the athletes, and then they'd get off the baseline.

[00:42:44] Why? Because they had no fuel source.

[00:42:46] Carl Lanore: [00:42:46] Right?

[00:42:46] Frank Llosa: [00:42:46] They were already going to get to just Chuck some liquid coconut oil. No. So there's this huge engine with lack of fuel that's able to get the baseline. Well, now they have a compatible fuel source. It's that simple. So now they can actually put the right [00:43:00] fuel in that engine, and it's going to make the ketogenic athletes just start ripping away.

[00:43:04] And some KIDO athletes resist exogenous ketones because they say, I already make ketones in my blood. I don't need to drink them. Exogenously. And the number of people that I finally got them to try, they asked her and they go, Oh wow.

[00:43:17] Carl Lanore: [00:43:17] It's exactly

[00:43:17] Frank Llosa: [00:43:17] like a glucose based person saying, no, no, I don't want to have any gel packs before my race.

[00:43:21] I already have Lucas and my sister. Like how silly is that?

[00:43:24] Carl Lanore: [00:43:24] You're going to burn, you're going to burn it up, you're going to burn it up.

[00:43:27] Frank Llosa: [00:43:27] So it's, it's just ads. You're going to be burning up too much fuel that you can't make enough of the beta hydroxybutyrate. So taking it exogenously would just give that kitchen an athlete that extra edge.

[00:43:39] But you know. The science is very early. We'll see where all of this goes, but I think it's, uh, I think it's all very, very exciting.

[00:43:47] Carl Lanore: [00:43:47] We're gonna we're going to take a quick commercial break and come back, wrap up this interview later in the show. I'm going to be joined by a meteorologist because late recently.

[00:43:56] I made the assertion at a show last week that the [00:44:00] way the weather is strangely wet, I mean, it's an characteristic wet April and may, and it happened to happen at the same time that we had this lockdown where we know for a fact. 25% less co two emissions happening over the past couple of months.

[00:44:17] Globally, China's down 30% for their normal co two emissions. Are we seeing changes in the weather because of the lack of. Air travel, bus travel, car travel, fossil fuel burning. I mean LA is claiming they've got the cleanest air they've ever had in just two months. This little experiment has produced wider scale impact than 10 years of the green new deal in just a few months.

[00:44:44] So I made this assertion, and of course, everybody said, call, you're an idiot. So I'm going to have a meteorologist join me, uh, later in the show, uh, to put me in my place, or, or say, you know, there's something to this. So that should be interesting. So stay tuned. We'll be right back with more Frank Yosef and talking [00:45:00] about the Veatch.

[00:45:01] Esther station. You are listening to the superhuman channel where ripped and we're ready.

[00:45:11] Welcome back. We're talking with Frank Diosa today about the beach ketone Ester, a great addition. You know, uh, presence of ketones in the bloodstream are a good thing, but you can't ignore eating a good diet. In other words, you can't just eat crap and say, well, I'm just going to use ketone esters, and that mitigates.

[00:45:30] All the mistakes I'm making. Not true. Right? Frank? It's

[00:45:32] Frank Llosa: [00:45:32] not an eraser. You can just eat a cake and follow it up with kids and Esther, and somehow I think that is the racism,

[00:45:38] Carl Lanore: [00:45:38] you know? Um, I've, I've been a long time believer that you could go vegan for a while, but probably longterm requires a lot of thoughtfulness in the diet because you have to supplement, you have to make sure you're getting some of these things you just wouldn't naturally get from the vegan diet.

[00:45:55] Without it. I have to believe that, uh, ketone esters in, in, [00:46:00] and of course, eating a vegan diet in a way where you are producing ketones is probably one of the ways that you can mitigate a lot of the potential harmful effects of the vegan diet. Because most people think, as long as I'm not eating my animal, I'm vegan and they're eating crap.

[00:46:15] Frank Llosa: [00:46:15] Right. Exactly. And I say, what does a carnival or diet have. You know, in, in, uh, how does it compare to a raw vegan diet? What do they have in common? Both people will say that a cure is this and that, but they both have in common is they both stop eating crap and it's about stop eating, you know, box food and just junk food.

[00:46:34] So if they're both not even junk food, it's the junk food. It's not so much whether you're vegan or carnivores. So I don't really, uh. Talk much about, you know, recommending people go vegan. It just happens to be what works for me, but it's more about not even crap than it is about, no, I

[00:46:48] Carl Lanore: [00:46:48] agree. In fact, Ron Penna, um, really the genius behind quest nutrition often says to me, it's not about what you start eating.

[00:46:59] It's about what [00:47:00] you stop eating. Yeah. You look at the magic and dietary alterations and people go, Oh, I, my auto-immunity went away and I started eating this. No, no, you stopped eating that.

[00:47:11] Frank Llosa: [00:47:11] That's why the watermelon, that's why the watermelon diet works. You just eat a watermelon and it works.

[00:47:16] Carl Lanore: [00:47:16] But

[00:47:16] Frank Llosa: [00:47:16] one thing we, we missed upon and I wanted to try to touch upon before we send a couple of papers.

[00:47:21] So there's one paper that kind of relates to longevity and it has to do with, they simulated a tour de France. And it's like seven or 10 days of full out, seven eight hour a day efforts. And half the group had ketone esters and half the group had just a regular diet and then at the end they did a time trial and the ketone Ester group was 15% faster in the time trial, not 1% 2% just a massive mass.

[00:47:45] That's the cause of the recovery and people think of ketone esters as game day. Let's talk about steroids for a second. People don't take steroids on the day of the Superbowl. They take steroids for the nine or 10 months leading up to it. It's about the recovery. Stupid. So I've been trying to explain to [00:48:00] people maybe even don't even take a game day cause it's too, you know, maybe after a while of taken it, you can bring it in game day, but for a long, long time it's about the recovery.

[00:48:08] Either taking it afterward or even before and making less of that dirty fuel. And there was a second paper. Where they tested sprinters, and I knew it wouldn't work for the French. I'd say they might even go slower. So test their brains while you're at it. And what they did is they did this iPad quick analysis and they showed that the placebo group.

[00:48:25] Went down, they got dumber towards the end of the sprinting because fourth quarter quarterback is going to get dumber. The ketone Ester group, I thought was going to go down less, or I thought it went down less. And then I found out six months after the paper was published, no, it flat line, the brain was as sharp at the end as it was at the beginning and that ended up being the headline of the paper.

[00:48:43] Cognitive improvement. So when football players figure out how their, how to do this right and make their fourth quarter as sharp as the first quarter, or even any other athlete that needs mental performance at the end of the day. End of the game, that's where it's going to be. Not so much the muscles going faster, but your, your brain.

[00:48:59] And then [00:49:00] that leads me into this recent trial with humans that were age 40 to 70, uh, healthy adults where they found that. Uh, there's this concept called the brain energy gap from Steve Koonin where most people over the age of 70 have a 7% of their brain is not being properly fueled by glucose.

[00:49:19] They're not getting all the fuel that they

[00:49:20] Carl Lanore: [00:49:20] need. We started, we started calling that type three diabetes on this show before that became a common term today,

[00:49:27] Frank Llosa: [00:49:27] the type three diabetes. Yes. When that brain energy gaps goes even lower, you know, 10, 20, 30%, but just the everyday common person that. You know, might forget their keys, but they're not, you know, Alzheimer's state, just the average person has a 7% gap.

[00:49:40] And what the ketone esters does is it bypasses that blockage. It's just, it's a different pathway to reach the brain and it fills up that gap. It doesn't overclock you like caffeine. It doesn't take you from 100 to 110 so when I take ketone Ester, if I take 10 or 15 MLS, I wish I experienced mentally with other people report.

[00:49:58] I don't. Maybe it's because my [00:50:00] diet, I don't eat crap. I don't eat out at restaurants. I bring my own food on the side. And you know, if you're at 95 97% you're not going to notice that difference. But other people that might be at the 90 or 92 they drink it and it's just like this parting of the clouds.

[00:50:14] So it's different for everyone and it's based, I think on this brain energy gap that let the ketone esters help fill that gap, whether you're a non person or even a KetoPrime person.

[00:50:25] Carl Lanore: [00:50:25] What about somebody whose parents. I was starting to experience dementia overall. Taking a ketone Ester like yours. Are there any concerns with other.

[00:50:36] Issues besides, you know, like I have a good friend whose mom is really deep into dementia right now. I would love to recommend your products. They just give her a little capful. Just see if she becomes more lucid, but I don't want her to end up having like palpitations and then they all, it's that, you know?

[00:50:52] What do you think.

[00:50:53] Frank Llosa: [00:50:53] Well. So the FDA precludes us from talking about anything for disease because they don't think that food can help disease. So [00:51:00] eating like carrots won't help, you know, eyesight. But we can talk about, you know, people that might be losing their keys or just, you know, not have a little bit of brain fog.

[00:51:08] And the downsides would be if you took too much, we're talking about. You know, four to five times more than what one might recommend yet it can drop your blood sugar too much and make you lightheaded. So that would be one of the downsides. It can make you lose water cause it kind of simulates a ketogenic diet.

[00:51:24] That water flush, you can lose water. So you want to add electrolytes, which ironically, you know, the new drink indirectly helps with that because it adds back in those electrolytes. Um, but for the most part, you know, many people are aged, people are taking it. Because of, you know, this brain energy gap and it just, they feel it substantially more than a younger person might.

[00:51:47] But meanwhile, we do have college students that take it instead of riddling, they actually able to cut out Ritalin, cut out even coffee people have used ketone esters to replace their coffee addiction. Cause I'm not a, I'm not a caffeine friend. [00:52:00] Even. I don't know where you are in caffeine, but, you know, longevity

[00:52:03] Carl Lanore: [00:52:03] kicking.

[00:52:04] I kicked it. I'm, I'm off of caffeine, but it's taken me a long time. I've had a

[00:52:09] Frank Llosa: [00:52:09] ketone Ester could help you do that in three or four days. And, um, without the side effects. That's the thing. There's one lady says, Oh, they keep the nuts. It didn't do anything for me and I, you know, try to replace my caffeine.

[00:52:18] Well, what do you normally. What normally happens when you pick your caffeine. Oh, I have brain fog and I'm grumpy. That's it. And he felt nothing. She was like, Oh yeah. I'm like, man, that's success. Like if that's not success, you know, tough crowd here. So yeah, we have videos on our YouTube channel. Talk about how to kick caffeine addiction.

[00:52:34] Cause even though the papers might say people, a hundred thousand people who drank coffee lived longer in a certain country, the fine print says decaf. Also, the people live just as long. So I'm not, I'm not a fan of caffeine, even though I use it once or twice. A week selectively.

[00:52:50] Carl Lanore: [00:52:50] I've got a Wyatt Everhart waiting in the wings.

[00:52:52] He's a meteorologist buddy. He's also a friend of the show. He's been listening for years, and he's going to put me in my place about my supposition about the [00:53:00] weather and CO2, but before I let you go. The website is ketone aid.com. Use the code SHR you'll get a surprise discount. I'm not allowed to say, but it is a good discount.

[00:53:13] Uh, we were making nothing to have Frank on the show. I just wanted to clear up, uh, some of the misunderstandings and misinformation about this particular Esther. It was pleasure talking to you, Frank. I wish you lots of luck and. And rock on, brother rock on. Alright. Alright. We're going to take one quick commercial break and when we come back, we're going to be joined by a very handsome guy who spends a lot of his time on real television and he's going to put me in my place because I'm, I keep claiming that something's going on with the weather and I'm blaming it on the lockdown.

[00:53:46] Stay tuned. Move over superheroes. This is this superhuman chapel.

[00:53:55] Welcome back. We're joined by Wyatt Everhart, longtime [00:54:00] listener and superhuman professional meteorologist. Um, why you you live? Do you live in Virginia now? What? Do you live? Baltimore?

[00:54:09] Wyatt Everhardt: [00:54:09] Yeah, I'm actually

[00:54:10] Carl Lanore: [00:54:10] outside of Baltimore. Carl. And you've been a meteorologist on television for how long now?

[00:54:16] Wyatt Everhardt: [00:54:16] Uh, I started, uh, what out of graduate school to th well, 2000, actually going back to 2000, so, okay.

[00:54:23] Okay. 20 year run.

[00:54:24] Carl Lanore: [00:54:24] So you're, so you're a professional meteorologist. This isn't a hobby for you. I just want to establish some credentials here because last week I made some comments on the show that have gotten some backlash, so. I said, you know, I noticed, Oh yeah, I know, right? Hard to believe. I'm usually so easy to get along with, so, so, you know, I've been observing the weather.

[00:54:48] The past month, and it seems like it was raining and raining an inordinate amount of time. And I messaged with other people, and my friend Bobby Cooper, who lives [00:55:00] in South Carolina, he's like, it's raining all the time over here. And I noticed some things, right? So I have friends that live in different parts of the country, and sometimes I'll call them and I'll look at my, my Noah app.

[00:55:12] Which I pay $9 a year for. It's supposed to be better. I have the real time cloud and projected, you know, uh, rainfall and all that sort of stuff. And I noticed that the, when, when, when the weather passes over Kentucky, it comes from the West and then it makes a turn and goes up Northeast. And usually the weather that I experienced here in Kentucky.

[00:55:37] Hits my buddy Joey and my daughter in New York a day or so later. Pretty pretty. I mean, it's really very, very regular. It's like, and you call it the Windstream, right? Just boom, boom. But the past couple months, I've noticed the phenomenon. It's not moving. The Windstream doesn't look like it's moving anything.

[00:55:54] In fact, the cloud cover. That I see on my Noah app, instead of making that [00:56:00] traditional West to East to North East path, it's just hanging over Kentucky. It's just hanging over Texas. It's just hanging over Maryland and it's just kind of like the clouds are just swirling around. They have no direction.

[00:56:13] They like, they're just hanging everywhere and, and on top of that, I look at my app, it's like, I've never seen my app say. Eight the next day days it's rain and eight days after that, a train and the eight days before that a train, and I'm going, what's going on here? And then I'm thinking to myself, we've been locked down.

[00:56:34] Now we know air travel is down. We know car travel is down. We know bus travel is down. We know that fossil fuel burning is down. We have cities like LA saying they have the cleanest air they've ever had in recorded time in the past couple months, just from this lack of people driving a global emissions of co to a down China.

[00:57:00] [00:56:59] They're reporting that new co two emissions coming out of China, uh, down by almost 30%. Now, this is phenomenal because we had the green new deal that was supposed to be. Reduce co two emissions percentages a year over the course of a decade. And in the past three months, we've dropped globally like almost 30% so I said, I wonder if this has anything to do with this crazy weather and what if it, what if the whole, uh, the, the CO2 is making the weather crappy is wrong?

[00:57:30] What if it, the lack of the CO2 is actually making the weather crappy now. And of course I got a lot of. I got a lot of fallout from that. So I, I come to you and I say, put me in my place. What did I get wrong? What did I get wrong? Look, I mean, you're,

[00:57:45] Wyatt Everhardt: [00:57:45] well, I mean, a couple of things, Carl. First, thanks. Thanks for having me on.

[00:57:48] I'm in long time, huge fan of the show. So it's cool that I could contribute in some way as, as a weather guy. Right? Um. And we talked about this a little bit offline at a, you know, a lot of us that train or [00:58:00] training out doors now. And so we're, I think we're more cognizant of the weather than we ever have been.

[00:58:05] You know, when we kind of depend on it to break cabin fever and can't get in the gym, at least not in Maryland or around this area. So, um, look, um, a couple of things, it's time perspective, right? Um, what we see in the span of a week or even a span of several weeks. You really can't draw much correlation out.

[00:58:26] Uh, right. Two months, seasons, years, uh, two summers ago, way before coven, uh, the mid Atlantic States here, I mean, we had the wettest stretch of months, Maryland by like 10 inches, had our wettest year ever on record. It rained like every day, all summer. So, uh, it's hard to tie a stretch of weeks or months and make

[00:58:48] Carl Lanore: [00:58:48] big conclusions from that.

[00:58:50] Okay.

[00:58:51] Wyatt Everhardt: [00:58:51] Um, what I would tell you is that there's no question cause it just curiosity. I mean, you dig into it and you say, I wonder what, what man? You know, it's like the first thing I saw with [00:59:00] Tobin 19 was they started to lock down the DC Baltimore area and you would go on your like Google traffic map and uh, there's like four instead of red all over the place at rush hour.

[00:59:10] It's like green. There's no cars on the road. Even now. Um, that's a huge impact. Uh, everything from small glocally, you know, we have the blue skies I've ever seen over Baltimore this time of year. When we have a clear day, there's just no smog around the city. Um, on the other hand. Uh, you know, CO2 to your point overseas, China was, went first, right?

[00:59:32] Uh, with all of this, and, and they were one of the biggest emitters and the maps before and after, two months later, it's like incredible. Um, they've, they've studied it in the States too, the difference before and after cobot because most of these emissions are driven by vehicular traffic. You know, trucks on the road, cars on the

[00:59:49] Carl Lanore: [00:59:49] road, every, and nobody in the factories working.

[00:59:53] The factories aren't putting out any, any CO2.

[00:59:56] Wyatt Everhardt: [00:59:56] Yeah, it's, look, it's a shock to the environment, [01:00:00] right? Because you look at, it's almost like maybe a vet, maybe not the perfect analogy, but the stock market, it was a shock to the market, right? When everything shut down, it's like, I think we have shocked the atmospheric system a bit.

[01:00:12] Um, suddenly the, you know, it's almost like the earth was, was processing. For not just years, but decades, certain amount of carbon on a steady basis, day after day, month after month, and suddenly we like turned it off. Um, so there's no question that there can be impact from that. I think you even made a comment I saw on Facebook about just releasing a heat.

[01:00:33] I mean, that was something that I

[01:00:34] Carl Lanore: [01:00:34] studied. Radiant heater. Yeah.

[01:00:37] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:00:37] Yeah, I mean, on a local level, there's something called the urban heat Island effect, like your LA, New York, DC. Even like a city like Louisville closer to you, there is a certain amount of heat on summer afternoons just from vehicular activity, engine heat, you know, so,

[01:00:53] Carl Lanore: [01:00:53] um, but I

[01:00:55] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:00:55] don't think we can say that this is going to change things in any big way.

[01:00:58] I mean, there's been a debate for, [01:01:00] you know, you know, as well as I do years, uh, you know, is climate change. I mean, the

[01:01:04] Carl Lanore: [01:01:04] place that made is manmade man is man affecting climate. There are those who say no. There are those who say yes, but one thing's for sure. Here's what I did. I have thought a lot about, sure.

[01:01:16] I don't think we need anything as restrictive as the green new deal to truly remove some of the CO2 from our climate. I think that if once a quarter, every company made their employee work from home for one week. That alone, if we did that four times a year, just seeing what's happened in the past couple months, what do you think?

[01:01:40] Well,

[01:01:41] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:01:41] I just had this conversation not long ago. A good friend of mine is a meteorologist stuff. I mean, a lot of us, whether guys know each other, it's a pretty small business. I mean, there's like 12 weather guys per us city. You know, if you think about it, three, four stations, three, four guys, a station, and we talk sometimes offline.

[01:01:56] And, um, yeah, I definitely think that, um, it's, [01:02:00] I, I don't know, like everything. Like we never go back. Right. Like, I don't just, this is, you know, neither here nor there, but I don't think we ever go back. Exactly. You don't even have to come up with a vaccine. The traffic grid is never going to be the same again.

[01:02:14] I mean, there's certain companies that are looking at this and saying, yeah, but certain companies are saying, wait a minute. We are getting production from work at home workers, at least some of them some days a week, whatever it is. Um, and I think less gridlock, less traffic, and, uh, just less pollution would just be a good thing.

[01:02:31] Carl Lanore: [01:02:31] We got, we got a sponsor that may be coming, a board they sell, um. They sell ergonomic chairs and desks for home because they're saying like, employers are going. Maybe we don't need all these office spaces. Maybe we can start having more people work from home. Look at, look at how productive we've been and that, you know, like, like, like restaurants just opened it here in Louisville.

[01:02:55] Well, there's no menus. What they have is they have one of those. Um. What's that little [01:03:00] CR code or QR code,

[01:03:03] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:03:03] QR code or something like that.

[01:03:04] Carl Lanore: [01:03:04] They have a QR code on a couple of spots and you take a picture of it and you look at your menu, and I thought, this is brilliant because why would you ever go back to a printed menu?

[01:03:12] You could literally make a change on the menu in the morning. Oh, you gotta. You got a shipment of monkfish from, from from Canada. And it's like you put it on the menu that morning that the menu changes. It's dynamic. You don't have a printed document anymore.

[01:03:25] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:03:25] I mean, the technology that's coming out of this, it's just, it's like even if once the virus is gone, and even if they never have a vaccine and you think 1918 they never did, but eventually we kind of just pulled out of that.

[01:03:36] But it's like it'll never be the same again.

[01:03:39] Carl Lanore: [01:03:39] Right. And that's when people say that Wyatt, they almost say it with a, with a wistful like sadness. I'm like, things will never be the same again. Cause you know what's happening with cutting the fat everywhere. We're going, Hey, we never needed that anyway.

[01:03:53] Let's get rid of it now. We didn't need paper come back.

[01:03:56] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:03:56] Maybe there's a better way. I mean, does any, are any of us going to miss [01:04:00] going into like a breakfast diner? And you get one of those menus and there's like pieces of eggs still on him from the last guy. They wiped it off. We're going to catch less colds and flus most years probably.

[01:04:11] Carl Lanore: [01:04:11] I bet. I bet grocery stores continue to have people who wiped down the carts and did the, you know, that's probably going to be something that's going to stay. We're not going to see menus anymore. More people are going to work from home and industry is going to benefit from it. The environment's going to benefit from it.

[01:04:28] I actually think so. I've said on this show, and I know people don't like when I say this, that this is the human Cole virus. It goes after the weakest in our population. If we looked at this from an, if we were looking at animals, deer bear, Oh yeah. Got rid of all the sick and old bears. And so now we have this Renaissance of healthy strong bears, right?

[01:04:53] So. This virus is taking everything that's weak and actually from a [01:05:00] standpoint of of commerce and stuff, everything that's not necessary anymore that we've been doing that we realize now we don't have to do. We don't need that anymore. This virus is actually going to when, when, when the plague went through Europe, we saw a Renaissance because all of the people that have killed.

[01:05:18] We're really the non contributors. They were the people that lived in, in the cities and the, and the slums. They, you know, they, they, they, they weren't really contributors to society. They're the ones that ended up getting killed. I know people are gonna say, Carl, this is a horrible thing to say, but this is the truth.

[01:05:34] I'm just, just looking at history. Whenever we have these types of things, there's usually a Renaissance. Now we're not going to have a Renaissance because a lot of people died. But we're going to have a Renaissance because a lot of things that we did a certain way because that's the way we did it. We're going, Oh, we don't have to do that anymore.

[01:05:51] We found a better way.

[01:05:53] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:05:53] Well, and, and like anything, um, any shock to the planet. Uh, unfortunately there's always [01:06:00] winners and losers. Um, you know, this virus really seems to target that older population. I mean, gosh, it's been horrible to see what's happened in places like some of the nursing homes that's gotten into and things like that.

[01:06:11] Um, you know, but what then you say. I mean, just big picture, uh, you try to find, okay, that's the dark side and it is very dark and all of this, and of course the economic impact is going to take a while to repair that. That's very dark for many people. Um, but on the bright side, I just say as a meteorologist, you know what, if traffic never gets back, the emissions never go back to maybe, let's say 60 70% of what they were pre Toby.

[01:06:38] Frank Llosa: [01:06:38] I mean,

[01:06:38] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:06:38] I've always said that, that. What, what, what gets missed in the whole climate change thing about emissions and electric vehicles and solar and whatever else is it really should be pollution. Like when, when you cut. When you cut those emissions, you and I, we, you see small with your own two eyes, you truck goes by when you're [01:07:00] outside running or you're doing your, uh,

[01:07:01] Carl Lanore: [01:07:01] your breathing, you,

[01:07:03] Frank Llosa: [01:07:03] yeah.

[01:07:03] You suck it in.

[01:07:05] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:07:05] And that's just something that weakens the lungs. So it's just, um, people get lung cancer that never

[01:07:11] Frank Llosa: [01:07:11] smoked.

[01:07:12] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:07:12] Uh, what does that all about?

[01:07:14] Frank Llosa: [01:07:14] So to me,

[01:07:15] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:07:15] you know, if we can have a. Uh, through, you know, just as a side effect of all this, just, you know, less emissions, less pollution. I've always said clean air and clean water shouldn't be political.

[01:07:25] I mean, everybody should want cleaner air, cleaner water, right?

[01:07:28] Carl Lanore: [01:07:28] And I think we, I think we are, and people can continue to argue about whether we're causing climate change or not, but I think you're spot on with this. We can all agree that less pollution is a good thing for everybody. And I really do think that we're going to end up with an environment.

[01:07:44] Where we are polluting less because we're learning that we didn't need to do these things that we were doing before.

[01:07:51] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:07:51] Yeah. And you say, okay, the downside would be if I own commercial lease space, okay, maybe I'm going to lose some tenants and all this and that. That whole thing is going to change. But [01:08:00] the bright side would be from a mental health thing, even a DC area, Baltimore area, Carl people have one.

[01:08:06] Sometimes two hour commute each direction

[01:08:09] Carl Lanore: [01:08:09] before coven.

[01:08:10] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:08:10] Uh, that, that's really, uh, I mean, that just takes a toll on your mental

[01:08:15] Carl Lanore: [01:08:15] look at the wasted productive. You know, when I was, when I lived in New York, I used to take the train into the city. I used to take it home. I spent an hour and a half, uh, sometimes an hour, hour and a half each way.

[01:08:25] I would, I would use that time to read and stuff like that. But let's be honest, if I didn't have, if, if, if, if I could literally walk out my back door and be at work. I'd rather do that and read sitting in an under the sun that's sitting in a subway tunnel somewhere. Yeah.

[01:08:41] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:08:41] No, I think it's a, just, just from a mindset, like to your point, a home office, I mean, you've always, you've got a great studio there and you've had it for a while.

[01:08:49] But for me, um, you know, I do a lot. I've got my first thing I did when all this happened, I got the external monitor and I'd been meaning to set all that up and. Many of my friends in the same thing. Their home [01:09:00] office is in peak condition now, so there's just going to be a lot more of that, you

[01:09:03] Carl Lanore: [01:09:03] know? I think it's great.

[01:09:04] I think there's a lot of good things that are going to come out of this. I don't think it's a bad thing at all, but I do. I do agree with you that the short term effects of this, a blip may not be able to be assessed, but maybe a couple years from now we will be able to see something, and I have a funny feeling.

[01:09:22] That when we look back at this three months and we look at the stratification of, of climate, and we look at the stratification of pollution, we're going to go, wow, look what happened for those three months. Now we just have to do that two or three times a year and combined that with the fact that 40% less people are actually going to work.

[01:09:42] They're working from home. This is going to actually make us more efficient. And cut back on waste that's actually causing the planet a lot of distress. I don't care where you stand on all we causing climate change, aren't we? We can all agree that, and I like that. I like what you said. [01:10:00] We could all agree that less pollution is a good thing for all of us.

[01:10:03] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:10:03] Yeah. And I think if we can come out of the other end of this and, and steadily bring the economy back, but realize maybe we didn't have to do as much emissions and not necessarily driving, and then we'd do more like we're doing this right now. If that means we all get the breeze and cleaning our air, uh, and spend a little less time stuck in traffic.

[01:10:22] Uh,

[01:10:22] Carl Lanore: [01:10:22] that's everything. So, so, but, but real quick, before we wrap this up, are you seeing a wetter April and may this year than you've seen in awhile?

[01:10:32] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:10:32] Yeah, I mean I think what we've got is a, uh, an ENA, you gotta remember crock, cause I know you're a worldwide, but also U S wide, right? So, you know, the West coast when typically when we're in the East here and we w from Kentucky all the way over to Maryland wetter than normal the last two months.

[01:10:48] Unseasonably cool. I mean we were setting record low temperatures here in Baltimore just a week or so ago. Um, it does it, the timing is interesting. But remember, that's the upper ear pattern. If the [01:11:00] Jetstreams ridging in the West, and you know, what we could have is just a very hot pattern out there. So it's, it's tough to,

[01:11:07] Frank Llosa: [01:11:07] again, we always

[01:11:08] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:11:08] have to be specific, uh, down to what area people are watching from.

[01:11:12] But, uh, there's no doubt if you're watching from the East coast or even the Midwest. A cooler wetter than normal. I hope we break out of this cause I know a lot of us have cabin fever and want to get out in the sun, get the vitamin D levels up.

[01:11:24] Carl Lanore: [01:11:24] Right. Our new motorcycles. So,

[01:11:27] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:11:27] I mean, that's, you know, uh,

[01:11:29] Carl Lanore: [01:11:29] you know, did you, did you see that the ozone, there was a hole in the ozone that's been closed up in the past couple months.

[01:11:37] Frank Llosa: [01:11:37] Yeah. I mean, that's really been a separate, uh,

[01:11:40] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:11:40] that's, that's been a phenomenon that goes back right then. I was always separate kind of from the whole CO2 and climate thing. Um, yeah. I, I mean, a lot of progress has been made there. That was a lot of, to do with the types of, uh, you know, chemicals that were being released, but it takes decades.

[01:11:54] That's my last point about this. Uh, remember, even if we cut the carbon, you know, I think [01:12:00] some of the experts say, you know, uh, that you really have a sustained impact on. Global temperatures, you already, even if you want to say some of this is natural cycle, natural warming, um, man enhances it. If you believe 97% of the scientists and so to, to influence how much we're kind of nudging it along

[01:12:19] Frank Llosa: [01:12:19] would

[01:12:19] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:12:19] probably have to cut CO2, you know, 20, 25% over a period of years, if not decades.

[01:12:24] So this, in the big picture of this will just be a blip, but there's no doubt. I think it was a shock to the. To the, uh, to the, to the environment to suddenly have, I mean, look, one last thing about the call, you've seen the, uh, the types of wild animals that have come out and, uh, just nature trying to reclaim,

[01:12:41] Carl Lanore: [01:12:41] you know, right.

[01:12:42] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:12:42] See animals around my neighborhood. We've never seen. Alright. So interesting.

[01:12:47] Carl Lanore: [01:12:47] Very, very quiet man. Thanks for being here. Thanks for being a fan of the show for so long too. Hey,

[01:12:52] Wyatt Everhardt: [01:12:52] thank you Karl. Appreciate it, man. Keep on rocking. And uh, you know how always, uh, always going to be a listener here, so

[01:12:58] Carl Lanore: [01:12:58] thank you, brother.

[01:12:58] Talk to you soon. [01:13:00] Alright, we're gonna wrap up the show now. This has been a fantastic show. Hope you learned something. Again, if you go to ketone aid.com and use the code SHR I can't tell you the discount because there's a lot of people out there who make money selling this product, and so Frank has to protect them.

[01:13:19] And I respect that. Uh, I'm not asking for any money from him. I just wanted to talk about the Veech Ester. Uh, since it is becoming more and more popular, uh, so you can save a surprising amount of money. I think you'll be surprised by how much you save by using the code. SHR uh, so check that out. And we will see tomorrow the guys from piedmontese.com are coming on.

[01:13:43] I love this beef and everybody who buys it tells me, Carl, I've never tasted beef this good. And there's a reason. This beef is genetically superior to any beef you've ever eaten, and we're going to talk about the science behind that tomorrow. The Piedmontese breed is a breed that [01:14:00] was bred specifically to be the way it is.

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