[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] welcome back to another episode of super human radio. Today is, uh, every other Thursday, which means a renewed life RX show will be on today, and I'll be joined by my cohost in just a moment, uh, Adam Lamb, and we'll have his theme music all ready to go. Uh, before we talk about that, I want to tell you about what we're going to be talking about on the show.

[00:00:18] And then of course, pale Masha, my title sponsor, legendary foods. Today we're going to talk about two different studies, one that shows. The potential downside of too high of a testosterone level during a cardiac ischemic event. And the second one is going to dispel a myth. A lot of people starve themselves because they want to increase growth hormone.

[00:00:39] I remember years ago, some guy pro promoting just, you know, fast and continuously because it's going to increase growth hormone and a study was just done on Agra Miglia patients. And it shows you conclusively, uh, what happens when you eat too little and too growth hormone. Uh, before we do that, [00:01:00] of course, I want to get my title sponsor up here.

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[00:01:39] The first step to changing your life starts with the renew life show with Adam Lamb.

[00:01:49] Are you doing wonderful? Wonderful. So

[00:01:53] Adam Lamb: [00:01:53] any good

[00:01:55] Carl Lanore: [00:01:55] studies? What's the, what's new with you? What's going on? Have you had your training? You back in the gym? [00:02:00] Things normalized.

[00:02:00] Adam Lamb: [00:02:00] It didn't work out again, which is nice and kind of. Adjusted a little bit from a food standpoint because, well, or attempting to adjust.

[00:02:10] Yeah. I th I spent a couple of weeks, well, the initial part of the covert thing, I was just like eating like a maniac, not healthy. And then I kinda got sick of myself and want to lose some weight. So I usually float around that two 10 and I'm trying to get down. I'd like to get little under 200. And, uh, but be lean and stay tight and, you know, and not, not eat, uh, like a skinny person.

[00:02:42] But that's like, if I don't eat, I do lose weight pretty easily, but I usually stop at 200 pounds. So I think this is an interesting topic. One of them we're talking about because, you know, I'm someone that does intermittent fasting. I regularly do extended, you know, 48 hours, [00:03:00] 24 hour fasting. Uh, from time to time.

[00:03:03] And, uh, so it's, uh, I think it's a good topic to look at, especially, you know, one of the things I've always seen back in my day of like coaching people and doing nutrition and diets and things like that, is that people that don't see the results usually aren't eating enough food. You know what? I would look at my

[00:03:19] Carl Lanore: [00:03:19] old every, every hard gainer that I've ever met.

[00:03:24] They always say the same things. I'm eating enough food, I'm eating enough protein. But then when you say to them. You just snap a shot of every meal and send it to me, and I've done this with people and I've ended up, and I'm like, dude, you're eating 1600 calories and you're getting a hundred grams of protein a day.

[00:03:41] You want to build muscle like you don't look, ask any fat person. Me, I was 330 pounds. Food is anabolic. It will build you fast. That's it.

[00:03:53] Adam Lamb: [00:03:53] And I think, you know, even with women, they think too often, like they, they're really cautious. You know, it [00:04:00] is often, you know, the macro micro, like all these different things that made it so confusing in my opinion, that I've always had this super clean, strict diet protocol of, not that I follow, but that I've had, that I've used in the past to do things.

[00:04:15] And it's a ton of, I mean, you're talking. It might be six cups of rice a day, right? It might be 250 grams of protein divided in four ounces through chicken and ground Turkey, beef. Uh, you know, I ate 10, eight whites before I went to bed. First thing in the morning was, you know, eight eight whites and Cub dry oatmeal and toast and like jelly.

[00:04:39] And I remember I used to work with George Farrah, you know,

[00:04:42] Carl Lanore: [00:04:42] I remember Todd. Yeah,

[00:04:43] Adam Lamb: [00:04:43] yeah. And, uh, and that part of the topic too, we'll talk about my bodybuilding year, some of the, where I was more on the abusive side of the spectrum. Um, and how that affects some cardiovascular stuff for me, which is somewhat of a scare.

[00:04:55] But, um, yeah, I mean the

[00:04:57] Carl Lanore: [00:04:57] food that I would eat was

[00:04:58] Adam Lamb: [00:04:58] bonkers. I [00:05:00] couldn't, if I stepped to the meal plan, I would, wouldn't want it to cheat cause there was no room to put that food in. Right. Sears, when you have that crap meal, that garbage meal, that cheat meal. It satisfies your hunger for this extended period of time and you don't actually fit your meals in that you should supposed to.

[00:05:18] And you know, if you put junk into an engine, it doesn't function like it's supposed to. And that's what, you know, when you're eating six meals a day, that it's like super clean protein car and, uh,

[00:05:31] Carl Lanore: [00:05:31] while also eating the same foods over and over again, the body becomes very good at it. Breaking them down and absorbing them.

[00:05:37] That's, that's a really important thing too. So anabolic steroids, a favorite, someone, a Mark Bell put on his Instagram the other day, finish this sentence. Anabolic steroids are, and I put awesome. And you got somebody like, come on, let's be honest. Right? They work, they really, really work. But I've sat [00:06:00] on this show thousands of times, maybe I'm exaggerating, maybe hundreds of times that.

[00:06:05] The good thing about certain supplements and stuff that work is that they work. The bad thing about them is they work. You can't, when you find things that work, you have to respect them. Now, I am absolutely raising my hand. I am a douchebag and I used way more juice than I needed to to get the job done.

[00:06:24] Quite often. Um, and I probably ran the risk of some of the things we're going to talk about today. Um, but you know, anabolic steroids have a place in medicine. Uh, they give them to people, obviously guys who have hypogonadism of course, but, uh, anemia and muscle wasting. Kikexia these are very, very powerful tools that doctors have in their, in their, their quiver to stop people from wasting these, these, and all the steroids we're talking about are derivatives of testosterone or DHT.

[00:06:51] Let's just stay there. Okay. Yeah. Good.

[00:06:55] Adam Lamb: [00:06:55] Well, I think for me too similar in that boat, you know, I was a guy that went, and if you look at some of my old [00:07:00] body building pictures, and so that stuff, I ran the gamut on those things and, but it really for me was I kind of realized that the drug wasn't worth the squeeze based on the goal, meaning that there became a point I went from wanting to be the biggest top bodybuilder to realizing I will never be that.

[00:07:20] And then transitioned to a, like a men's physique. And then from there I transitioned to like, I want to be around with my kids for a long time and I want to make sure my heart and all these other things are going. And I remember I had like a bugger scan and some other stuff, and my infraction and

[00:07:36] Carl Lanore: [00:07:36] fragile ejection rate

[00:07:38] Adam Lamb: [00:07:38] rejection rate was super low.

[00:07:42] And the doc was a buddy of mine and he was a lifter and powerlifter when he was younger and stuff like that. He got it and he's like, dude, this stuff is. Effecting it. Right? And so when I, I stopped, you know, and I, that's why I went like full TRT probably 10 years ago. Um, and then, [00:08:00] which got me into the whole, this whole TRC space and you know, for renewal FRX and then I do that.

[00:08:05] And then I went back at 35, so five years later, it might have the same testing done and it improved significantly. Right. And so, um, and the biggest change was I was still lifting heavy. Still training hard. I wasn't taking too much anabolic Boxster,

[00:08:22] Carl Lanore: [00:08:22] but now I, I'm, I'm helping a guy who got worried. He had an event happen and his ejection fraction was very low.

[00:08:29] So there's a lot of things that could cause a low ejection fraction. I'm just going to throw them out there. One of them is anabolic steroid induced cardiomyopathy where the heart becomes bigger and bigger and the walls aren't stronger. They're getting actually weaker and weaker. So that's one thing.

[00:08:46] And, uh, and that's why it's so important to do cardio. Bodybuilders hate cardio, but cardio will protect you from developing that type of cardiomyopathy, number one. Number two, not having the right amount of electrolytes, and [00:09:00] especially sodium. A lot of these bodybuilders, they're like, Oh, I gotta drop water.

[00:09:03] I gotta reduce sodium. Your heart is the first thing that feels the reduction in sodium. It just can't, it can't squeeze as hard, just can't squeeze his heart. So when it can't squeeze his heart. I can't inject as much blood, but there's another thing that no one pays attention to, and a lot of times ejection fraction will change literally in two to three days.

[00:09:26] You're ready for this. This is, this is groundbreaking. You're never going to hear anybody else ever say this. Take some frigging time off. Because your heart is a muscle. If you train biceps every day as hard as you could, do you think they'll grow? No. They'll actually start to get weaker when you're over-trained.

[00:09:43] One of the side effects is the heart is tired. It's sluggish. It's like fungal goal. We don't get a break. This guy is trying to kill us and the ejection fraction drops. I've had more people. Reach out to me and say, Carl, I'm a competitive bodybuilder. This is, you know, and I [00:10:00] go through the gamut of questions.

[00:10:01] You have, you used trend or you're on trend, not trend. Clenn clan is terrible for your heart. Terrible.

[00:10:08] Adam Lamb: [00:10:08] Like the worst. Drugs. I mean

[00:10:10] Carl Lanore: [00:10:10] it kills the heart cells. It literally killed

[00:10:14] Adam Lamb: [00:10:14] crazy. I remember back in my days when I worked in the office, I had a buddy who was taking that stuff. He called me and he was like, Hey, can you come to my office?

[00:10:22] And I'm like, for what? He was having a full blown panic attack

[00:10:25] Carl Lanore: [00:10:25] cause he.

[00:10:28] Adam Lamb: [00:10:28] We'll get took it a second time. So those are so high, like, dude, that stuff we almost

[00:10:33] Carl Lanore: [00:10:33] couldn't architect.

[00:10:34] Adam Lamb: [00:10:34] It's like we just sat and talked and I call it, he kind of called down and it was good. But like that stuff that's, I can't believe, you know, when I was naive and young, you know, 15 plus years ago and getting in the bodybuilding space, I didn't know.

[00:10:48] But.

[00:10:49] Carl Lanore: [00:10:49] That's a dangerous drug to make a mistake on your dosing. There's no doubt about it because we're talking about micro grams pushing you over the edge micrograms and you could have a stroke or a heart attack if you take too much. [00:11:00] So, so, so the other, but getting back to this, if you feel like your injection fraction is dropping, the first thing you should do is take some time off.

[00:11:07] You'll see it in generally, just from that time off, it'll improve 30 to 50% from whatever it was before.

[00:11:13] Adam Lamb: [00:11:13] The other thing too on that, it's a little bit off subject, but the Neesy, what's the.

[00:11:19] Carl Lanore: [00:11:19] There's a can

[00:11:20] Adam Lamb: [00:11:20] easy resort rating when you're in your blood. I can't think of what it is, where your kidney function is just so high because of constant training and that's another

[00:11:28] Carl Lanore: [00:11:28] thing.

[00:11:29] You mean a myoglobin, like the thing that pushes people into rhabdomyolysis?

[00:11:33] Adam Lamb: [00:11:33] I think so. And taking a break off working out can help reduce those

[00:11:37] Carl Lanore: [00:11:37] creatinine. Creatinine is, is inappropriately implicated in rhabdo. It should. Doctors shouldn't be looking at Korea tonight. They should be looking at myoglobin.

[00:11:49] So, so creatinine goes up anytime you train, anytime you break over, break down muscle tissue, and there's muscle tissue turnover, creatinine goes up. But there's a, there's a million [00:12:00] guys out there who are hard training that have stupid, ridiculous levels of creatinine, have no kidney problems, have no rhabdo.

[00:12:06] When myoglobin, when myoglobin goes up, that's when your kidneys start to back up. And guess what myoglobin is. When you eat a bloody steak, it's not blood, it's myoglobin. There's no blood in that steak. Myoglobin is released when muscle tissue ruptures, it isn't damaged, so you damage muscle tissue and working out.

[00:12:28] But when a, when a muscle fiber ruptures, what is leaked out of it is myoglobin, and that's what clogs up the kidneys. That's interesting. Yeah. You only learned this stuff here, right? So, so bodybuilders are known to take 50 to a thousand times more than what? Therapeutic doses is that? I

[00:12:46] Adam Lamb: [00:12:46] wonder. I'm curious.

[00:12:48] That one seems a thousand times. I mean, there's got to take,

[00:12:53] Carl Lanore: [00:12:53] well, if you, if you think about the rumors. Right? Like, like, okay, I'm not, I wasn't a bodybuilder. I was a guy who [00:13:00] just wanted to be so strong

[00:13:03] Adam Lamb: [00:13:03] and I know all of them. Every one of these top guys, I've known that I've been in that space.

[00:13:08] Carl Lanore: [00:13:08] So it is it, is it not true that they're taking

[00:13:11] Adam Lamb: [00:13:11] thousands?

[00:13:12] Here's the thing is what is a therapeutic dose? Now, if you set up.

[00:13:17] Carl Lanore: [00:13:17] 200 mil, 200 milligrams of testosterone a week. So if you're taking 2000 milligrams,

[00:13:23] Adam Lamb: [00:13:23] no, I mean there's guys taking 3000

[00:13:26] Carl Lanore: [00:13:26] no, I know guys who were taking more than that. I do. I mean, I mean, look, I'm not going to name names, but I know plenty of guys who were marginally great bodybuilders.

[00:13:37] They weren't even a Limpia and they were taking six grams of oil.

[00:13:42] Adam Lamb: [00:13:42] I know the schedules of those. Those top guys, and it's, and that's where I think a lot of times, and we do this within the, within our practice, when it comes to the hormones, the hormones can only, you can only give them so much power. And a lot of times people think, well, I'm just going to take more drugs and I'm going to get more [00:14:00] resolved.

[00:14:00] It's like, no, your diets crap, your trainings. I see. I see the way out. You don't feel like that stuff is so much more important than the drugs. And sometimes I think maybe to this like people overcompensate try to take their life. I need more drugs, you know? Then, you know, and it's, I remember when I was younger and naive and even, you know, saying something that George Farrow, when I used to work with him, I was like, well, shouldn't I be taking this, this, this, this?

[00:14:24] He's like, dude, I work with the top guys. They don't even take that. He's like, well, you're a hundred pounds. Why would you do that? You know what I mean? And so he was, even though he was always an advocate of like, less is more,

[00:14:36] Carl Lanore: [00:14:36] that's a sensible approach. Unfortunately, most people prescribed their own. A bodybuilding regimens, and they learn most of this stuff through bro science on forums, and they think that everybody's

[00:14:45] Adam Lamb: [00:14:45] supposed to be.

[00:14:47] Carl Lanore: [00:14:47] So one of the problems with, uh, with anabolic steroids, as we talked about already, is there's actually morphological changes of the heart. The structure of the heart changes, the flexibility of the muscles change, they become more [00:15:00] rigid, and the sinus becomes smaller when the wall of the muscle becomes thicker.

[00:15:06] Okay. So let's, let's differentiate a couple of things then we'll talk forward. When the entire heart gets bigger and the sinuses get bigger too. You're just building a bigger pump. Okay. But the problem is because guys don't do cardio and they don't. Exercise, the eccentric portion of the heartbeat.

[00:15:23] They're only concentric cause they're pushing, pushing, pushing. So what ends up happening is the sinuses get smaller, so they literally hold less blood. That means that the heart now has to pump faster to do the same volume. This usually raises both blood pressure and stroke and heart and heart rate. But the other problem that happens with these drugs is because of the hypertrophic effect of anabolic steroids.

[00:15:48] The walls get thicker when the walls get thicker, they're less flexible. They just can't. Now. Now where the heart, let's say the stroke used to be this, now that the walls are thicker, the stroke has [00:16:00] just this, so you got to take a beating. It's beating. Yeah, it's beating faster. You're demanding that it put more blood through and you just made the pump smaller.

[00:16:09] Like, okay, now, now we're going to have a problem. Okay,

[00:16:13] Adam Lamb: [00:16:13] let's do it.

[00:16:13] Carl Lanore: [00:16:13] And really this is a, this is a wake up call. For anybody out there who's serious about being a bodybuilder to get with a doctor. Full disclosure, tell you, doc, look, I'm not going to turn any of this stuff into insurance, but I just need you to monitor things.

[00:16:27] My thrombotic index is my blood getting too thick. Is my hemoglobin starting to go up? But there's other telltale signs. Are you starting to see enzymes in my blood that shows that my heart's working harder than it should and that this, you know. The days of of doing this stuff in the back room is over.

[00:16:45] We have competent physicians who will work with you knowing that, Oh, he's breaking the law by anabolic steroids. Have a black market but keep you healthy and safe and keep you in your lane. Don't do this by yourself. You don't have, [00:17:00] yeah.

[00:17:00] Adam Lamb: [00:17:00] When I was younger to have to add a doctor who got it, he understood.

[00:17:04] He's like, dude, listen, he's straight with me cause I care about your health and life. He's like, I know you're going to do whatever you want to do. And I think that when my son was born, I became a dad. I was like, I stopped. You know, my focus changed from wanting to be a real big guy, to want a little all the time, but I think you're right.

[00:17:20] There's that that is important to look at those. It's not just about how big your muscles, because I mean, that stuff can happen. You know what I mean? We don't, at our clinic, we don't manage that stuff. You know? That's a little out of the, out of the. Risky lane that we stay in. But, uh, we know a lot of people that that, do

[00:17:42] Carl Lanore: [00:17:42] you think you can bet every top bodybuilder today is working with a physician?

[00:17:48] If you don't believe that you're, you're, you're an idiot because these guys understand the risks. They don't want to die for the sport. So they work with physicians and their physicians tell them, you know what? We're going to have to add a [00:18:00] blood thinner and because we can't get your blood thin enough, and now you're going to, because this is where myocardial infarction comes from.

[00:18:05] A myocardial infarction is basically lactic acid builds up in muscle tissue, something that never should happen. And the heart muscle goes, I can't keep doing this. And you start getting a burning sensation in your chest and your bow, your heart saying, I need to take a rest, but I can't because if I take a rest you die.

[00:18:26] This is, this is what myocardial infarction is, right? An ischemic event is basically not enough oxygen getting to the heart any longer because of these circumstances. We just thicker wall, smaller sinuses. You're, you're carrying 300 pounds of muscle, so there's more irrigation fluid. Your bow, your hotspot like this, just sit and steal your Hawk doing just like, Oh, F this man.

[00:18:45] I'm done. You start to get the burning sensation that is lactic acid buildup in the heart, and that's the first sign that the heart can't keep going. Hello. So this is exacerbated when you're on steroids, but there's another thing that's exacerbated [00:19:00] when you're on steroids, and that's this. So when you have a heart attack.

[00:19:07] The heart wants to do what it wants to slow down. It's like, I can't do this. I just want to coast. I want to get down into the lowest beat range I can. I'm working with the brain. The brain's telling me, okay, we can stay there and I want to get you down to maybe 40 beats a minute cause I, I, you need to lay down and pass out so I can preserve life.

[00:19:25] That's exactly what's going on at that moment. That is when anabolic steroids turned this into a disaster. Because the high levels of anabolic steroids you have running through your body, you're telling the heart F you keep pumping man, because the same thing that makes your heart strong, right? We talk about how HRT makes men's heart strong.

[00:19:48] Well, at a moment when the heart is going, I'm done. I'm caving in. That is not a good time to, to, to flip the switch on the nitrous. You know what I mean? You don't, you don't flip the switch on the nitrous after the heads [00:20:00] of burnt out, you know, they'll go, okay, let's just melt the whole engine down. Now let's just do that.

[00:20:04] And that is exactly what high levels of androgens do. And, and in fact, it's so effective at doing that, that it actually eliminate the cardioprotective effects of all of your training up to that moment. It literally texts the heart and goes, Oh. You're going to die. Let me help you. Let me make you work harder.

[00:20:25] You'll die faster. That's exactly what androgens do, because there's Andrea receptors on the heart muscle that the engine to say, no, you got to keep pumping, man. There's no time off for you, and that's it. And that's why a lot of guys end up dead. When they have a mild ischemic event that you are, I average guys take a couple of baby esters, go to the hospital.

[00:20:45] They're like, Oh yeah, you got, you got a blockage, we'll cap you. You're going to be fine. No, because your heart goes F this man. I'm going to work harder now.

[00:20:54] Adam Lamb: [00:20:54] That's interesting. And I think that there is some, you know, you bring up a lot, a [00:21:00] topic that I think is important for people to have that. So that mind muscle connection, even though we're talking about the heart of being able my iWatch malware today, but know it reminds me to breathe.

[00:21:12] It's like to stop and breathe. And I think being able to maintain that speed, able to control your heart rate with your mind is also something that's important that in the event you get into one of these things to be able to. Change your States.

[00:21:28] Carl Lanore: [00:21:28] Stop padding down

[00:21:30] Adam Lamb: [00:21:30] because that, like you said, especially if you're an abuser, you may, you're losing control.

[00:21:36] You know what I mean? If you practice controlling regularly, when you do get into an event and unplanned event like that, like a cup of your life, you can pull it back in and. I'll find them.

[00:21:48] Carl Lanore: [00:21:48] And you can do that. If you have that mind control where you could go, okay, you could actually start to relax. You feel your heart rate slowing down.

[00:21:54] You think to yourself, okay, I'm going to be okay. But, but then when you compound the high levels of androgens with another [00:22:00] known. A circumstance, which is that anybody who's doing grams of test a week and clan and, and they're taking thyroid hormone, they're using growth hormone, they use an insulin. You know, we got, now we have poly-pharmacy here.

[00:22:14] Now we have a body that has been taken hostage by drugs, and now you're going, Hey, don't die. And if your body's going, you should've thought about that months ago before you signed it, stuck it sticking all this stuff at me.

[00:22:24] Adam Lamb: [00:22:24] Right? That's your body's like, you. Sure. I thought that's what we wanted.

[00:22:27] Carl Lanore: [00:22:27] We wanted to kill ourselves.

[00:22:29] Like that's what you've been working on, isn't it? Did I get, did I not get a memo? I thought you wanted to kill yourself. You know, I say this jokingly and I was one of those douchebags at one time. Right? And I'm going to be 62 next week, and I'm lucky to still be alive, I guess. But the reality is. This is why if you want to get into this game, and the truth of the matter is you want to get into any professional sport today, I don't care if it's baseball, football, soccer, they're all using gear.

[00:22:55] They're all using drugs. You know, they're, but they're working with physicians. [00:23:00] That is the difference. You can do this. Don't think I'm discouraging you from going on and chasing your dream to be mr and mrs Olympia, but just work with a doctor.

[00:23:08] Adam Lamb: [00:23:08] Yeah. It's just the, it's just the smartest way. I think when we're young, we're like invincible and don't care.

[00:23:14] Yeah. But it's, yeah, that's it. It's super important. And to have the regular checks, you know, like if you're not a, if you're somebody who's been abusing drugs all through, you know, for a long period of time, like you should be going and getting a stress test, monkey scan all the, you know, the different cardiac, uh, test done just to stay, stay healthy.

[00:23:38] Carl Lanore: [00:23:38] So we have a Facebook user whose privacy settings don't allow me to see their name. If you want to repost and just put your name and the next post that appreciate that. Uh, but AMI is based on low too, from coronary coronary stenosis coming from arthrosclerosis, not always, not always. That is the classic, uh, Carlisle [00:24:00] myocardial infarction model that we see in a diabetes population, but not always.

[00:24:06] We could also see, uh, uh, cardio infarction. A ischemic event when the heart is being asked to work too hard and the sinuses are too small and the heart is just, just, just idling. The heart has to stay at one 60 now. So we, we see this in other cases as well. We really do. Um, let's not forget other drugs that are being used by these bodybuilders.

[00:24:32] Bodybuilders who are, are taken to the hospital. With, uh, and in fact, the guy that I actually just came through, there's a guy that I, I, I'm actually working with who's an amazing guy who went to the hospital and he was having an ischemic event and they did his calcium scan. He had zero, he had zero, zero zero plaque anywhere.

[00:24:53] Cause most bodybuilders are eating a diet that is fairly low [00:25:00] inflammatory diet. First of all. Number two, they usually are getting some of the benefits of their exercise. Granted when it comes to an ischemic event that may actually go wrong. Uh, I wish you'd put your name up here, notorious for lowering HDL and elevating LDL, only orals not injected.

[00:25:23] You realize that, right? So, so again, we have a lot of bodybuilders that know they have no plaque. We know this and HCL is only lowered by methylated oral steroids. It's not effected at all. Uh, well, I don't want to say it's not affected at all. Can be effected mildly by injectable oil-based androgen use.

[00:25:44] Bashir, uh, dr Bashira and his group have done numerous studies with doses between six and 1200 milligrams a week. And this, there was no deleterious changes to HDL on injected

[00:25:57] Adam Lamb: [00:25:57] cream. We don't,

[00:25:58] Carl Lanore: [00:25:58] well, I [00:26:00] mean, I mean, orals are what caused HDL to change because they literally changed the landscape of the liver.

[00:26:07] But that's true of oral. Um. Uh, birth control pills. That's true of oral corticosteroids. It's because of the methylation and how it changes the hepatic landscape. That raises HDL, I mean, lowers ACL and raises LDL. Another thing that can screw with HDL is if you're using a Roman taste inhibitors. Uh, there's certain aromatase inhibitors that are notorious for totally jacking your cholesterol around.

[00:26:32] But again, it's not from the injectables and I can't see your name. Would you please just write another post with just your name so that I can acknowledge your, your contribution to the show today? But yes, these are all good points. But yeah, like this guy that I'm working with, he's got zero plaque. He said they made me do a quarter of a coral calcium scan because you know, he had this event and he said, and I said, what?

[00:26:56] What? He said, zero. They said, I have zero plaque. They couldn't believe it. [00:27:00] And I think that's probably true of a lot of bodybuilders. I gotta be honest with

[00:27:03] Adam Lamb: [00:27:03] you. There's a lot of body. The part though that thought maybe leading into is if you're going to be committed to large amounts of drugs for bodybuilding.

[00:27:14] You can not do the recreational drugs that some other people are doing. And I think like a lot of guys that know that, you know, they're taking tons of drugs and then they're on the weekend, they're also taking a ton

[00:27:27] Carl Lanore: [00:27:27] of different drugs and they're drinking. They're doing Coke.

[00:27:32] Adam Lamb: [00:27:32] Yeah. And then they die.

[00:27:33] Right. And they died. Well, he was on a ton of steroids, but he was also. I mean like HBO has all these other things and like that's just a bad lifestyle. Apps get into just not preaching to anybody. But,

[00:27:48] Carl Lanore: [00:27:48] so it George, Julie Optos from Greece, and I love George, but George is a very, very clinical, he like he, he looks at these things from a very clinical standpoint, but there is a lot of information out there that, that [00:28:00] definitely now endothelium dysfunction.

[00:28:02] Yes, that's a different thing. But endothelial dysfunction comes more from inflammation than anything else. And that that is a big problem. But that's a big problem for the population at large. I mean, everybody today is, I mean, when I say everybody, not us, but there's a lot of people in our population who have endothelial dysfunction because they're diabetic and they have all sorts of other funky things going on.

[00:28:25] So here's the bottom line. You know, special operators in the military are given things. That average people can't get their hands on. They're given drugs that make them more alert and make them function better. And a lot of them know about injectable oils like trend bologne and how it makes you sharper and more aggressive and stronger.

[00:28:48] And our government knows this stuff, but doesn't do anything about it because we want super, super soldiers out there. But the difference is that they have access to a physician. The [00:29:00] doctor looks at them and goes in and I don't know what you're doing, but this is that. You go, you're going wrong over here.

[00:29:03] We need to change something. You can be a super competitor in any sport. You just need to find a good doctor. Dr. George Julie autos is a perfect example. He works with athletes in Greece, and I'm sure that when their blood is getting too thick, he says, ah, and when he, they're showing signs of certain things, he goes, Oh, so you can do all these things.

[00:29:24] But you got to work with a doctorate. Be sensible. That's all. That's the message I want to give.

[00:29:28] Adam Lamb: [00:29:28] Yeah. One of the philosophies we always have had with, uh, just, you know, we do way more conservative hormone therapy, but when, you know, we've always said that when you're healthy, you're in charge. When you're unhealthy, we're in charge.

[00:29:43] Meaning that, you know, that it's important that health, if your health is at baseline health is great. Well. We can go after some physical aesthetic goals. But if your health isn't in great shape, that's priority number one cause you're already making a bunch of bad decisions [00:30:00] that, uh, we can't trust you with on your own.

[00:30:03] Uh, so,

[00:30:05] Carl Lanore: [00:30:05] alright, we're going to take a quick commercial break. When we come back, I want to talk about this other study that was done in Agra Miglia. And it was, uh, they looked at, uh, so people have acromegaly and they call it giantism. You remember Andre the giant and all these people that have this, they, they just become huge there.

[00:30:22] They don't live long. Um, it's a very troublesome disorder and it actually is on the rise right now in our population. It's a disorder, sort of the pituitary gland. They found out that by giving these individuals a low carb ketogenic style diet. It actually mitigated a lot of the negative effects of the disease.

[00:30:40] Very fascinating stuff. We're going to talk about that when we come back. Stay tuned. Spit that out right now. This

[00:30:46] Adam Lamb: [00:30:46] is the superhuman channel.

[00:30:52] Carl Lanore: [00:30:52] Welcome back. This is the renew life RX show brought to you by. Adam Lamb, who is the founder [00:31:00] of renew life RX. And if you are thinking about working with physicians for your hormone therapy, or maybe you just want to start an anti aging protocol, or you want a group that's forward-leaning and looking at emerging science to direct.

[00:31:16] Your medical treatment, you can reach it, reach out to them at renew life, rx.com if you mentioned the show, you'll save 20% on any lab work that you have to have done. And that's a pretty damn good deal because a lot of times the right kind of a medical treatment often is not covered completely by, uh, by the, um, medical, uh, um, what am I trying to think of health care

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[00:31:45] The panel will be our standard panel through insurance. It's a $3,000 panel, so if you're paying 20% deductible, you're paying 600 bucks,

[00:31:55] Carl Lanore: [00:31:55] right? And then you get another 20% off that thanks to the show.

[00:32:00] [00:31:59] Adam Lamb: [00:31:59] Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But, but through us, you know, it's a few hundred bucks, right? Because we do hundreds of them a month, uh, through the LabCorp suite, get to negotiate a cash price is good.

[00:32:10] So that's all included.

[00:32:12] Carl Lanore: [00:32:12] I, you saw the girl, the girl that at, at any lab test now her name is Maria. She's originally from New York. They know me by name now. Cause they, I, I tell, I said some people like to go out and buy expensive shoes and some people like to drink expensive bottles of wine. I like to draw my blood and see what's going on.

[00:32:27] I go in there for stuff, like every time I learn something new, I'm like, I wonder what my blood levels are and I don't want to wait for my doctor to order it and it's going to cost me $25 over there and then I'm going to have to deal with it. And maybe I don't want anybody to know the answer. Maybe I'm, this is like something I don't want in a record somewhere.

[00:32:41] I'm not saying that it is, but it's like, yeah, I'll just go check out my blood. I'll do that.

[00:32:49] Adam Lamb: [00:32:49] Every 90 days at minimum, if not, sometimes, you know, I'm like Guinea pig for a lot of stuff that we look into. And so I'll go and run the protocol me, cause I [00:33:00] know that I could document fit, you know, eating training, what I took if I missed a dose, all that kind of stuff. Uh, with some of the stuff that we do getting pickets.

[00:33:10] Carl Lanore: [00:33:10] So, uh, this study and all, both of these study links will be in today's show posting. So if you go to the website tomorrow, you'll be able to actually read these studies yourself. Um, this one looked at, uh, you, uh, you caloric, uh, very low. Everybody had the same caloric intake. Um. And it was also not low calorie.

[00:33:30] It wasn't high calorie, it was maintenance calories. Okay. Very low carbohydrate, ketogenic diet and Agra Miglia treatment. So Agra Magaly is, is, is a result of excessive growth hormone production from a pituitary adenomas. Generally there's a non, uh, was a benign tumor on the pituitary happens more often than we, we realized today.

[00:33:50] It's a, it's a growing problem in the pocket

[00:33:53] Adam Lamb: [00:33:53] is usually identified.

[00:33:56] Carl Lanore: [00:33:56] Dark. Now they have the Brown

[00:33:58] Adam Lamb: [00:33:58] bigger. They're [00:34:00] usually like, just,

[00:34:01] Carl Lanore: [00:34:01] well, and they have bigger joint. They have bigger joints. So like a lot of times their knees are literally bigger than their legs, above and below and so, so, and you know, okay.

[00:34:11] So there's quite a few different things that connect here. People who say, Oh. My doctor said, the the cartilage in my, my knees is wearing out, I'm probably going to end up having to have knee replacement surgery someday. If you use growth hormone, that cartilage will regrow. One of the side effects of using too much a growth hormone is called joint crowding, and it's called joint crowding because what happens is the cartilage gets so big and thick and robust that it starts to create internal pressure in the joint.

[00:34:43] And it's painful. Um, so like 99% of the people out there whose doctors going, you know, you're probably gonna need knee replacement surgery someday if they just gave them intraarticular injections of growth hormone mixed with maybe, um, some sort of,

[00:35:00] [00:35:00] Adam Lamb: [00:35:00] we do STEM cell here, you know, cell treatment, umbilical tissue, uh, and that stuff too.

[00:35:05] And that's part of the protocol. Like at our not renew life, our expert Virginia revival are our Virginia medicine is. That's part of the treatment. And we also draw your blood and we look and see if your growth levels are low and your inflammation levels are high, whether we can do a course correct so that you get the most benefit out of regenerative medicine.

[00:35:25] And. Now keep going on that same path that got you where

[00:35:29] Carl Lanore: [00:35:29] you're at. I did. I did a show in 2012 I think it was with the Dr. Alan Dunn, and he's the guy who perfected this whole approach of intraarticular growth hormone injections, and he's passed away since his website has gone, but he's trained hundreds.

[00:35:46] Of orthopedic surgeons that know how to do this stuff. You don't need it. You don't need a knee replacement surgery. If your knee, if, if, if the cartilage in your knee is worn out,

[00:35:55] Adam Lamb: [00:35:55] you don't. The reality and the reality is like. It's, [00:36:00] it's, it's great because we're seeing more insurance, get out orders, a lot of these preventative things that even if it's just kicking out any replaced knee replacement at best is 20 years.

[00:36:10] So if you're going to need replacement at 40 guess what?

[00:36:13] Carl Lanore: [00:36:13] You're going to need another one. Yeah.

[00:36:15] Adam Lamb: [00:36:15] You're going to park it two more.

[00:36:19] Carl Lanore: [00:36:19] Yeah. And you'll get to get to a point in time where the doctor's going to go. You're too old to live through surgery, so you need to live with not having working legs.

[00:36:26] Adam Lamb: [00:36:26] Do you have replacement surgery, drugs or theirs.

[00:36:31] There's actually regenerative ways to do that. I think that I, I'm going to look into that.

[00:36:36] Carl Lanore: [00:36:36] I just Google, there's, there's, he's done a couple studies, two good ones. Intraarticular growth hormone growth hormone injections, but anyway, and you just go, it's too true. You go used to go to him in Florida. He did 20 I used directly into the knee.

[00:36:51] He mixed it with hyaluronic acid because that's a medium that keeps it in there. The growth hormone doesn't get out of the knee. It doesn't even hit. That's not like it doesn't get it to your other [00:37:00] tissue. And then what happens is he does it twice and then you go home. He does it once, one week, once the next week.

[00:37:08] Then you go home. Six months later you go back and he shows you, Oh, look at this. Remember you had no cartilage. Look at this. It's growing and it keeps doing that for like a year and a half after those injections. It keep growing. Yeah. So anyway, but, uh, Agra Miglia increases bone growth that increases cartilage growth.

[00:37:26] Uh, and it speeds death. By the way, right? These are people who suffer from acromegaly, they don't live. They usually live into their forties at best, and then they're gone. And this is even seen in rodents to a very low carbohydrate ketogenic diet of 50 grams of carbohydrate hydrates or less a day. Which induces ketosis and reduces insulin concentrations.

[00:37:47] Also down-regulates hepatic growth hormone receptor two and reduces IGF one. The reason this is important is because there's a host of people out there who think that starving themselves increases growth hormone, and [00:38:00] somehow that's going to build muscle. No. It doesn't, in fact that the body knows that if there's not enough nutrition coming in to build muscle, protein levels are way too low.

[00:38:10] You're going to get a growth hormone pulse, but the liver is not going to convert it to IGF one and this is where the magic is. So when people just look at growth hormone levels, they think that's it. Grow Como doesn't turn into VGF IGF MGF. If it doesn't turn into these other growth factors, you don't grow anything.

[00:38:31] Right? You don't grow new nerves, you don't grow new new new blood vessels. You don't grow new muscle tissue, you don't grow anything.

[00:38:40] Adam Lamb: [00:38:40] Got it. And I think that the one thing we always communicate is how that sugar will spike insulin, which will shut down growth hormone, but long term fasting like that.

[00:38:56] Can't put you in a catabolic state as well, where the body starts [00:39:00] converting into actually muscle becoming fuel over. So stored sugar and fat as well, depending on what if you're doing cardio, what, what situation your body might be in or means you will.

[00:39:15] Carl Lanore: [00:39:15] So what they do for people with acromegaly is they give them, uh, a somatostatin Leagon so, so, so in order for growth hormone to be produced by your body.

[00:39:25] Just growth hormone, not talking about conversion to growth factors. Two things have to happen. There is a break and a gas pedal in your body. The gas pedal is a growth hormone releasing hormone, okay. Which is produced by the hypothalamus to tell the pituitary, make growth hormone, but it doesn't do that unless the brake is off and the brake is a, is a hormone called somatostatin.

[00:39:50] And just the way the word implies. So Maddow means growth hormone and statin means static stop. No. Okay. So you could have, [00:40:00] you could take large doses of, of CJC 1295 or a modified growth factor one through 29 and you could Jack yourself with that if your somatostatin levels are high. No growth hormone is produced.

[00:40:11] None

[00:40:14] Adam Lamb: [00:40:14] helps that

[00:40:16] Carl Lanore: [00:40:16] gremlins, the gremlins, the gremlins, the gremlins, , impa, Marella. These are peptides that shut off somatostatin. So you need both a growth hormone releasing impetus and a somatostatin suppressing event for your body to go, okay, let's make some and squirt it out. Yeah. Then that has to go through the liver and turn into other things without the liver is help.

[00:40:43] It's just growth hormone, and while growth hormone in and of its native state has some growth provoking factors, hell, even growth hormone releasing hormone by itself has some growth provoking. Affects, but not until it turns into MGF, IGF, VGF FGF. It turns into [00:41:00] those other things. That's where the magic happens.

[00:41:02] So just raising growth hormone by itself, but not having the liver participate in making IGF one, you're not getting the benefits of growth hormone. Even if you're shooting a 191 amino acid growth hormone, you're not going to see the benefits unless the liver, the liver plays along. Right? So they figured, what if we continue to give some of the group they gave.

[00:41:22] Uh, this league end, uh, which would help shut down, uh, growth hormone production entirely. And obviously that has a downstream effect on IGF one, but when they gave these individuals the ketogenic diet. What they found out was even without the league ends involvement, IGF one normalized it normalized and people, so these individuals typically, uh, first of all, what they gave them was, uh, they decreased from 194 grams a day of carbohydrates at 32 grams a day.

[00:41:56] That's what these people started to eat. Obviously that fat was up. [00:42:00] I think that fat was up at 155 grams of fat. And uh, at a 115 grams of protein, that's not shabby. That's actually, I'm impressed that they gave them that much protein. They still saw this, which now, okay, people come on my show all the time and say, Oh, but protein turns into glucose.

[00:42:19] Gluconeogenesis is a very expensive process for your body to do. It only does it in extreme emergencies. This idea that, Oh, you're eating 400 grams of protein a day. You're going to be producing glucose. You're only going to produce the amount of glucose your body needs. You're not, it's not like you just ate pizza.

[00:42:37] So this is a stupid assertion that people not need to stop saying, that's 115 grams of protein a day.

[00:42:44] Adam Lamb: [00:42:44] That's the vegans. That's a, that's a big argument about protein and meat proteins, and that's where I hear that same thing often.

[00:42:52] Carl Lanore: [00:42:52] But by lowering their carbohydrates alone and obviously keeping them at a fairly high protein and fairly and very high [00:43:00] fat intake, they ended up seeing a reduction in IGF, one significant reduction from 1.1 times the upper limit of normal.

[00:43:10] 2.83 times the upper limit of normal, which is seen as almost normal, and this was by diet alone. When they added the league and back into it, all of these individuals saw a dramatic drop in IGF one so this means that the diet works by itself and it works when you use it with the current therapeutic approach to treating acromegaly.

[00:43:37] Now. Carl, I don't have Agra Miglia, right? So stop believing that fasting is going to increase growth hormone and thus IGF one, and somehow magically allow you to build more muscle. If you're fasting a lot, you're not putting on muscle. You're just not. You're not. You're not. You don't have the building blocks for it, and the body isn't stupid.

[00:43:59] The body's not going to go, [00:44:00] let's waste all of our energy building muscle tissue that this guy's not eating enough protein to support.

[00:44:06] Adam Lamb: [00:44:06] Yeah. Your artists discussing that, that like anybody who's having trouble gaining muscle is never eating near enough food. They believe they are, but it's nowhere near even know 120 pound woman who's looking to add some muscle needs to usually eat a ton more than they mostly are.

[00:44:29] You know, cause they're doing something like a ketogenic diet with. Cardio five times a week and weight training six days a week, and like don't understand why their body's not cooperating. Uh, because the lack of building blocks is not there.

[00:44:45] Carl Lanore: [00:44:45] The reality is that oscillating is the best thing. You want autophagy to go on, but you want it to turn off.

[00:44:52] You want em toward a turn on, but you want it to turn off. You want an PK to turn on, but you want it to turn off the, the, the idiocy of people [00:45:00] who think, Oh, I'm just going to take Metformin. I'm going to keep, and PK turned on, I'm going to keep em to a turned off and I'm going to live forever. Bologna.

[00:45:08] You're not. You want IGF one, but you don't want it all the time. So the reality is that. Diet, intermittent fasting or time restricted feeding, which is a new term to make it less zealot, like, Oh, fasting, no time restricted feeding. I, you know, I, I only eat from noon to 6:00 PM or whatever your, your, your particular model is.

[00:45:29] We know now that that is a really great approach. You can still build muscle if during your eating period you are eating a ton of protein. Right? Like really that that is the, that is where the magic is. You've got to increase protein intake in the face of these types of diets in order to see muscle. Now, if muscles not important to you and you don't care if you shrivel up and can't get out of a chair when you're seven years old, God bless you.

[00:45:53] Don't worry about protein. But one thing is for sure. Study was just published three months ago. That shows low [00:46:00] carbohydrate diets, reverse brain aging. I mean, you know, w w w people don't get it yet.

[00:46:07] Adam Lamb: [00:46:07] Even with cancer too as well. Number one, if you find that you have cancer, get a Jack jar, drop your sugar, crazy recovery, uh, opportunity as opposed to all that damn sugar and inflammation in the body.

[00:46:20] Carl Lanore: [00:46:20] And that's really inflammation. When I have a lot of sweets. I feel it the next day I get the

[00:46:26] Adam Lamb: [00:46:26] flu. I mean, it's, so, I go to the, I go to the movies like this is my, and I haven't cause a cobot. I feel like, I mean, it's like no holds bar pizza, popcorn with all kinds of butter, salt and crap, some sort of gummy candy.

[00:46:43] Right. Probably a diet like a Coke zero I hit inflammation just if I have a diet beverage even, you know what I mean? And by the time the end of the movie, and I got to get out of this chair of this recliner, I feel like I'm coming down with the flu and I know it's a hundred percent

[00:46:59] Carl Lanore: [00:46:59] what [00:47:00] you ate.

[00:47:01] Adam Lamb: [00:47:01] And it's, people just don't understand.

[00:47:03] Like a lot of the times, the reason you feel like crap is your food. And even just to tie that back to what we do on the hormone side is. One of the biggest philosophies. We also have the our wellness coordinators docs, all believe is

[00:47:15] Carl Lanore: [00:47:15] we take away

[00:47:15] Adam Lamb: [00:47:15] power from the drugs, take away power from the hormones and talk about your life, right?

[00:47:20] Carl, let's talk about what you've been eating, like people that, uh, this is a little off subject, but maybe valuable. People are always complaining, well, I'm not getting, I thought I'd be sleeping better. I want better sleep. Right? And so we talk, okay, you have a bedtime routine. Do you have a stretching and meditation?

[00:47:37] Do you have a one hour? No screen time. Hold on. Okay, well do that stuff too. I, I'm guilty of it. Right? I don't like to watch TV rights in my eyes, fall asleep and it's bad for you. But same thing with a big. The dressing. This conversation with the food piece is people that they're not, their body's not changing like they want to because they're, they think they [00:48:00] need to starve in order to add muscle and it doesn't work that way.

[00:48:05] Carl Lanore: [00:48:05] Coaching power all

[00:48:06] Adam Lamb: [00:48:06] day long. It's

[00:48:08] Carl Lanore: [00:48:08] a low carbohydrate. Hydrate diet is key for better aging regardless of who you are. Although, if you have type two diabetes, you have to be careful because you can become hypoglycemic very quickly. So if you already have type two diabetes or you're creeping, you're pre-diabetic.

[00:48:22] Don't just start a low-pro a low carbohydrate diet. Monitor your blood sugar. Start to reduce carbohydrates slowly. It's called titration. Cut your carbohydrate intake in half. Do that for two weeks. Then cut that in half. Do that for two weeks and try to get yourself to where you're eating 50 60 grams of carbohydrate today and make them complex carbs.

[00:48:43] Stay away from sugars, vegetables. No. If you want, uh, oatmeal and stuff I got, that's fine. Yams are great, but if you reduce your carbohydrate intake, you're going to be healthier. You're going to live longer, and you're going to be plagued with far less diseases than all of your friends who [00:49:00] didn't get the message.

[00:49:01] And it's not as life. I don't miss them. It's not like I miss stuff. I don't miss pasta at all.

[00:49:06] Adam Lamb: [00:49:06] Right. You know, for me though, I did some DNA study with DNA testing, and I might. I burn more belly fat with 150 to 250 grams of complex carbs a day just based on my genetic makeup. And I also do well with high fats and medium protein.

[00:49:29] So based on my personal DNA, which is, you know, I'm in pretty decent shape. I know my body pretty well. I eat medium protein decent. To medium fat, decent below medium, and then I'm probably pretty medium car buy. My pie is pretty equal and that's what works good for my body, but I think folks need to try different things, but there is no doubt if you're leaning into Quito.

[00:49:57] You're going to drop that sugar that's [00:50:00] going to, you're going to live healthy without

[00:50:01] Carl Lanore: [00:50:01] no doubt. You feel better. You know, it's the first couple of days you may feel a little wonky, but a product like capex from a sponsor of ours, uh, that will actually help you metabolize fat faster and become fat adapted faster.

[00:50:15] But you know, I have been low carb. I can't even remember. I think I became low carb. Well, at least 25 years ago, I became low carb. Like I realized that I was never going to lose the body fat. If I kept carbohydrates as a, as a main portion of my dietary template, and once I cut carbohydrates out, the fat came off so fast and so easily.

[00:50:34] And the only reason why I'm not a fat pig today is because I really do limit the carbohydrates I eat because I haven't tried. I just started training again. I've been off for two months, and by the way, my strength is still there, which really makes me feel good because I'm going to be 62. On the 11th of this month, and the fact that I went in there and I was able to move weight now, but I didn't, you know, I didn't go stupid.

[00:50:56] Like I usually do. I'm giving myself two weeks to just go in and go through the [00:51:00] motions before I start to really train. But I'm excited. I'm excited about the future, uh, with my body. I feel like I understand it so much better now. Um, the other thing I want to point out was that for people with Agra Miglia, the diet had better effects controlling.

[00:51:17] They're Agra, Agra Miglia, and obviously IGF one levels. Then the drugs did well for people that the drugs didn't work for.

[00:51:25] Adam Lamb: [00:51:25] Thanks. Spoiler alert. The food is better than the drug.

[00:51:30] Carl Lanore: [00:51:30] Yeah. Who knew?

[00:51:31] Adam Lamb: [00:51:31] Right. And, and, and, and that's like I was saying earlier, we, we have to be accountable to, there is no, you think you're going to solve your problems with a pill.

[00:51:41] You're crazy. You can enhance your effort. You can. Put a little know, get a little 0.2 on top of that. You know, the situation you're looking at, but you gotta do the work in the kitchen, uh, and discipline. Man.

[00:51:56] Carl Lanore: [00:51:56] Let's take our last commercial break. We'll wrap up the show. Sit tight.

[00:52:00] [00:51:59] Adam Lamb: [00:51:59] This is the superhuman channel

[00:52:01] Carl Lanore: [00:52:01] where brawn and brains finally meet.

[00:52:10] Welcome back. For the renew life RX show with Adam Lamb and myself, Carla, Nora, in case you don't know who I am, I'm getting so old looking. It's unbelievable and I'm so dark. Can you tell how dark I am?

[00:52:21] Adam Lamb: [00:52:21] No

[00:52:21] Carl Lanore: [00:52:21] dude. Top

[00:52:23] Adam Lamb: [00:52:23] here in the light,

[00:52:25] Carl Lanore: [00:52:25] both the Lisa and my daughter Taylor said, I'm actually turning purple.

[00:52:30] Like, and I'm not, I'm not even, I'm not even, I'm not using any millennial tattoo anymore. I stopped using it about a week ago because I, you know, I'm out in the sun a lot. I'm on the bike. I ride the bike everyday to work and back. I tell them out in the sun and I am just

[00:52:42] Adam Lamb: [00:52:42] so pretty. What I need to get a little sun vitamin D, but you know, I'll tell you though, I can't stand laying out the sun.

[00:52:49] I wish I could. Yeah. I love it. Like, did five minutes go bonkers? I have to constantly be doing something. I struggled with it. Relaxed

[00:52:59] Carl Lanore: [00:52:59] and I [00:53:00] love, I lay out in the sun. It's like an old friend is embracing me. I mean, I'm just, a couple of things I want to mention before we wrap up the show. First of all, um, gauge your brain.com right now for a limited time.

[00:53:12] You can get the brain gate for 29, 95 a month. No longterm contracts. Send it back, use it for a month and send it back. Um, I have so many people emailing me about this device. Most of them. Are telling me that they've been testing supplements that they've been using that is supposed to be nootropic and they, they like, they tested it like three times.

[00:53:31] It can't be, it's just supposed to work. I feel it working and it's like, no, it doesn't work. And one guy texted me and said, this is going to save me about $200 a month on this nootropic blend. I've been buying this. You don't want, you need to get these for the clinic. I'm not kidding. Because they have a professional version of it.

[00:53:48] Yeah. You don't

[00:53:51] Adam Lamb: [00:53:51] check it out.

[00:53:52] Carl Lanore: [00:53:52] Yeah, yeah, yeah. So

[00:53:54] Adam Lamb: [00:53:54] what were you going in? We're bringing in a boatload of new testing we're going to do. Um, [00:54:00] but I just, it just skipped my head. Uh, what's it like the. Genetic clock.

[00:54:04] Carl Lanore: [00:54:04] Oh yeah, yeah. No. Oh no, no. You gotta. You gotta work with chronometer Ahmed is this. This is the best.

[00:54:09] So chronometer is the only country in the only company in the world that checks 20 million points on your DNA. They are, and they're just now opening up to clinicians here. In fact, I had a talk about you yesterday

[00:54:25] Adam Lamb: [00:54:25] because you know what we're seeing with people that you do this stuff. This is third. That epigenetic clock is good.

[00:54:32] It's going backwards after working on anti-aging hormone replacement therapy. So it's our guidance. So that's part of one of the things that a, you know, cause we do behind the scenes, a ton of studies. One of our partners, Dr. Lopez runs, he's got clinical trials going on, all kinds of cool stuff. But we're really nuts about the data.

[00:54:53] You know what I mean? I think I told you we got algorithm, you know, machine learning that we're working on. That's. Feeds the lab [00:55:00] work in and it tells you what, what the patient should do based on thousands and thousands of people's data that's worked out correctly. So I would love to find that out

[00:55:10] Carl Lanore: [00:55:10] because I'm going to hook you up there.

[00:55:12] They're just so, so what they did was they, they released their product on my show first in the United States, and those of you who are listening, if you have any interest in getting that chronometer test, you have to go to C seeds. Dot MD slash. Epigenetic hyphen test slash because it's only, right now it's just a stupid 70% off price, but that's going away in about three weeks, so go, go sign up for that.

[00:55:37] If you're still interested after that, it's probably only going to be allowed through clinicians like clinics like yours and so on, because then you have somebody that can work with you and say, okay, here's what you need to do to change that.

[00:55:50] Adam Lamb: [00:55:50] Yeah. One of our team members is an expert in that stuff, and so we want to kind of roll that in.

[00:55:57] Carl Lanore: [00:55:57] Dude, get this, get, here's the best part of the [00:56:00] chronometer test. It's saliva. Yeah. You don't have to go have blood drawn. You don't have to prick your finger and use a Watman bladder. It's just the thing.

[00:56:08] Adam Lamb: [00:56:08] We're bringing out a category of saliva or stool. You know, there's some stool tests, so they're all at home, goes to your house, you take the test, send it back.

[00:56:19] It can. It's just another way to help people with their health that we're doing.

[00:56:25] Carl Lanore: [00:56:25] This was great stuff. And plus your rejuvenation with the STEM cells. I mean, you gotta reach out to Adam, uh, renew life rx.com. Go there. You'll find the number is, is Milo still working with patients

[00:56:39] Adam Lamb: [00:56:39] we've hired, I mean, we've hired.

[00:56:41] Five more five people, and I think it was three. We got two more that I think are coming on board, um, in the last 60 days. I mean, we've just been growing like crazy and

[00:56:50] Carl Lanore: [00:56:50] not one, not one. So, so we've been working together. And you've been a sponsor of this show, is it now three years?

[00:56:57] Adam Lamb: [00:56:57] No, it's almost two. I think we're coming up

[00:56:59] Carl Lanore: [00:56:59] two years.

[00:56:59] Okay. [00:57:00] Uh, and I have never had, not now. And look, people send me emails. It's like, I ordered this, didn't come, or I ordered this and it's crap. And I get involved with people. People know, like if you send me an email about a sponsor, like I get involved because I, because I don't want sponsors who piss off my audience.

[00:57:17] My audience is my stock and trade. Never once have I received any complaint. However, I have received numerous. Comments from people who say they love working with you, that they had been to other clinics before, and it's just like that. The term that I've heard all of that, it's just very different working with renew life RX.

[00:57:37] Adam Lamb: [00:57:37] Yeah, that's the thing is we are different because, and we know what else is out there. So a lot of people in the hormone game, they get in the hormone game and they do what someone else is doing, which just creates more bad actors and we just have a different philosophy and different values. We get great outcomes and people like our service,

[00:57:58] Carl Lanore: [00:57:58] we're not for everybody, right?

[00:57:59] There's

[00:57:59] Adam Lamb: [00:57:59] still people [00:58:00] that it doesn't work for. Um, usually just because what they want, we don't provide because we're a bit conservative. But yeah. Thanks Carl for mentioning that, because it is, and you know what? Same thing, you know that we track all those people that come in through you. And just like anybody though, everybody's treated like they're my mom.

[00:58:18] You know, like they're, everybody. First-class treatment.

[00:58:21] Carl Lanore: [00:58:21] Right. I will listen. It's been great spending time with you. I look forward to every other Tuesday for you and I hang out and maybe someday I'll come down there and visit you in Texas. Yeah. Yeah. Some STEM cells, maybe I look, I'm off the air tomorrow.

[00:58:36] We have a couple of good pep talks coming up. I don't want to let the cat out of the bag because people steal my stuff. Um, but we have some really, we have some peptides nobody's talking about, and chances are you won't be able to find them. But if we start talking about them, uh, maybe we will be able to find them.

[00:58:50] And on Monday, I got a guy coming on my show. Recently, I talked about  as a a gastric prokinetic for people who suffer with [00:59:00] debilitating GERD, and I had one guy who's going to be on my show Monday, who literally threw up every meal every day for the past, I don't know how many months, and he is keeping every single meal down now despite taking 125 to 150 micrograms of  before every meal.

[00:59:20] I, I'm the one who told them about it. No one's talking about this, but I think we're going to help a lot of people who have GERD and digestive issues fix themselves, and you're not going to find this stuff on anybody else's show, nobody else's show, because nobody's as big of a douchebag as I am. No, but nobody's telling people.

[00:59:38] Yeah. Try this. See what that does when you give me a call, I look, that's it for today. That's it for this week. We'll see you Monday. Thank you for being here and participating. Those of you who are here live today. [01:00:00]