[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] hey, Hey, welcome back to another episode of superhuman radio. Today is June 10th, the day before my 62nd birthday. Uh, I'll be talking about that at the end of the show. My father taught me at every birthday that you should take inventory of the previous year and the accumulation of your years and where you are.

[00:00:16] And I want to share some of that insight, those insights with you, man, I'm getting dark riding the motorcycle. Uh, in the beautiful sun is just bleaching me. I mean, I'm sorry. Drenching me with sun, not bleaching me. Uh, lots of LL three, seven and 25. OHD going through my bloodstream right now. Very protective.

[00:00:35] Uh, during these types of conditions, of course, we have to thank my title sponsor, which is legendary foods. Uh, they make a very huge contribution to the show that keeps it going really. Without legendary foods, I have to stop and go find somebody else. And they have put their shoulder behind the show because, uh, Ron Penna, uh, one of the original founders of [00:01:00] quest nutrition, and now, uh, he and his wife Shannon have founded legendary foods, which has all the markings of the same success that quest had.

[00:01:09] Wouldn't be surprising to me if eat legendary.com or legendary food sold for a billion dollars, eight years from now. Cause that's what they did with quest. But anyway, he truly believes in the mission of the show, he doesn't look at the show as well. What's our ROI, or it is important to him, but he believes that we are saving and changing lives with this show because you know what I say, the new evolutionary selection pressure is where you get your information from.

[00:01:34] It's not famine. It's not ice ages. It's the information that you choose to believe and apply to your life that will either lengthen or shorten your life and the lives of your children and loved ones. And so it's very important that shows like this and others. I'm not the only one. Uh, keep talking about things you won't hear in the mainstream media.

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[00:02:23] So you can feel like you're cheating, but you're not check them out. Bring my guest on now. He's famous. Actually. I've heard of him way before we had a chance to look at his study and that's dr. David Horowitz. How are you? Dr. Woods?

[00:02:37] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:02:37] Uh, good. And it's Richard Horowitz.

[00:02:39] Carl Lanore: [00:02:39] I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I apologize. You know,

[00:02:41] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:02:41] what's interesting is every time I've been doing these interviews for years, everyone gets my name wrong.

[00:02:47] Whether it's Fox television or whatever it is, it's, I'm actually have to wonder at this point, maybe I should just change my name.

[00:02:52] Carl Lanore: [00:02:52] Well, it wasn't David Horowitz, uh, a consumer advocate fighter. Wasn't that? Him, that that started the consumer [00:03:00] magazines and stuff like that, and fought for our rights to get good products, underwriters laboratory wasn't that David Horowitz.

[00:03:07] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:03:07] Um, you know, I'm, I'm not sure, but if it was a Horowitz, he probably was fighting for the

[00:03:10] Carl Lanore: [00:03:10] right. There you go. Right. It's probably a, it's a, it's a marking of the last name. So that's great. Dr. Richard Horowitz. I'm sorry about that. And, uh, and I have heard of you and we're going to do another show. I'm going to tell everybody who's watching right now.

[00:03:21] Like Carl, why aren't you talking to him more about Lyme disease? He is on the forefront of treating Lyme disease. Uh, I know about him cause my cousin told me about him and, uh, I I'm, I'm so excited, not just about today's show. Which we're going to talk about the efficacy of glutathione therapy and treating some of the, uh, pneumonia like side effects or pneumonia side effects of COVID-19.

[00:03:46] But we will have him back on the show in about a month to talk about emerging research in Lyme disease, because Lyme disease is where menopause used to be. Women used to go to the doctor and say, I don't feel good. My life sucks. [00:04:00] I'm miserable. And the doctor would say, it's in your head, go home. And that's what they do with Lyme disease.

[00:04:04] Now, with women, women understand HRT and how to feel better about menopause, but, but people don't understand how to feel better about Lyme disease and you're on the, on the bleeding tip of that spear. So we will do that show. Okay. Sounds good. Okay. So let's get on with the, uh, important information at hand here.

[00:04:23] You have just published two studies, actually one that Elisa found. And another one that was just released today, we're going to talk about that today. Why this study? Why, why did you look at this in the first place?

[00:04:35] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:04:35] You know, it's interesting. I've been doing Lyme disease now for over 30 years, I've treated over 13,000 chronically ill patients.

[00:04:42] And the reason that no, most of the line patients with co-infections get sick is because they have an inflammatory reaction in the body. And these inflammatory molecules they're called cytokines. And when the COVID research started coming out, I looked at the inflammatory molecules and I said, well, [00:05:00] that's quite interesting.

[00:05:01] These are the same inflammatory molecules I've been blocking for Lyme disease patients for decades. I said, I wonder whether glutathione and some of the things I've been using for Lyme, which are efficacious would work for COVID. And lo and behold it started working. So I thought, you know, this is important.

[00:05:15] I've got to get this in the medical literature, and I've got to share this with people because right now everyone's searching for solutions and these are natural supplements. These are easy things that everyone can do that can protect themselves theoretically from the worst effects of the virus.

[00:05:28] Carl Lanore: [00:05:28] So I'm going to expand your area of discussion today, because the reality is that when we talk about inflammation, We're talking about the army of the immune system.

[00:05:42] And when we talk about the immune system, we're really talking about the gut to a great degree, but more importantly, we're talking about just about every single chronic disease today finds, uh, an inappropriate inflammatory response either as [00:06:00] a component of it or at the core of its origination. When we talk about autoimmune disorders, we're talking about inappropriate inflammation.

[00:06:08] Uh, going after specific tissue, whether it's Hashimoto's, it's hitting the thyroid, whether it's rheumatoid arthritis. And even now we know now that osteoarthritis is in fact, an autoimmune disease. It was thought to have a mechanical, like if you're overweight, your knees wear out. But then they started saying, well, why are these overweight people getting authorize in their hands and in their neck where there there's no mechanical loading.

[00:06:32] And when we look at it, we realize that osteoarthritis has a lot of the same. Hallmarks as rheumatoid arthritis, it just moves a lot slower. So what we're talking about today just isn't applicable to COVID-19, but probably all diseases that have a powerful inflammatory component. Would you agree with that broad statement?

[00:06:53] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:06:53] Absolutely. In fact, um, in my two books, why can't I get better and how can I get better? I discuss inflammation [00:07:00] being the common denominator. Under all medical diseases, whether you're talking about Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, strokes, rheumatoid arthritis, asthma CLPD, all of them at this point.

[00:07:13] And in fact, I teach this to doctors. I just did a training last weekend. One of my slides exactly was that inflammation is the number one common denominator, underlying most chronic disease.

[00:07:23] Carl Lanore: [00:07:23] Yeah. So getting back into your wheelhouse, but keeping everybody that's listening, I want you to think about this in your own situation.

[00:07:31] If you have a disorder that you're chasing that has an inflammatory component, listen to this information because it applies to you as well. So what did you do with this study? You, you had two, two people, is that right?

[00:07:42] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:07:42] Right. So we've actually treated more at this point, but initially what happened is there was a patient who had been coming to me for many years.

[00:07:50] Um, he still had some low grade Lyme symptoms, but was able to work at a very high pressure job. And, um, I hadn't seen him in actually probably eight years. He was doing [00:08:00] okay. And he contacted me and said, Hey, doc, I'm starting to come down with, uh, you know, some symptoms. I've got a dry cough. I've got some shortness of breath.

[00:08:08] I've got fevers, I've got diarrhea. Uh, I've got a sore throat. He started complaining of all the classic symptoms of COVID. And fortunately we, I hadn't seen him in years and we did blood tests the month before, and we looked at his inflammatory markers and. To get to see if he had active Lyme or co-infections, we didn't really find much.

[00:08:27] Um, and I said to him, because he was really sick and at home, I said, listen, I've used glutathione in patients with Lyme disease and Babesia, which is a tick-borne parasitic co-infection. I said, I've looked at the cytokines in COVID. Why don't you try oral glutathione. Glutathione is normally made by your liver.

[00:08:47] Your liver has six pathways in the phase, two pathways. One of them is glutathione. And usually we think of glutathione as the master antioxidant of the body. It detoxifies chemicals that takes out heavy metals. [00:09:00] But one thing that people don't realize is glutathione is antiviral. Apart from all of this, it's actually been published against hepatitis virus, herpes virus, one HIV dang virus.

[00:09:12] So we gave this particular patient. 2000 milligrams of glutathione all at once. And within one hour he said, doc, my shortness of breath from COVID pneumonia. He was a DNA PCR positive for COVID. He had gone to the ER initially and they said, we don't know what's wrong. Well, we'll do tests is COVID came back positive by DNA PCR.

[00:09:34] He showed up on there as COVID pneumonia and looked like he might have to go into the ICU in a respiratory care unit. And within one hour of taking glutathione, he was better. He then got a nursing service to come the next morning that gave him an IV injection of glutathione over 10 or 15 minutes, and then told me it was even more effective.

[00:09:54] And we were able to keep him out of the hospital in the ICU. I mean, he was going in the wrong direction [00:10:00] and glutathione with N-Acetyl cystine NAC, which is a precursor of how your body makes glutathione and alpha lipoic acid, which is a very powerful antioxidant. Which regenerates glutathione, NAC alpha lipoic acid and glute were the three things he was on.

[00:10:16] And what these do, what part from lowering inflammation is they block a switch inside the nucleus of your cells called NF Kappa B NF Kappa B gets turned on. You get two minute Croesus factor, alpha interleukin, one aisle, six, all these inflammatory molecules come out. And the beautiful part is, is that we've been doing this for decades for Lyme.

[00:10:39] And it exactly worked with COVID pneumonia. So now when we published on two cases, but we've actually had now a several more cases and my colleagues on the paper, James PSAC, who's a medical student. He's at medical school and people started calling him up about it and they started trying it. It also was working.

[00:10:56] So we really need a randomized control trial, but I'm, I'm certain it's going to [00:11:00] work. Cause I've already seen it work in other patients.

[00:11:01] Carl Lanore: [00:11:01] So let's, let's dive a little bit deeper. So it's interesting dots to connect. Things that are pro-inflammatory thick in the blood things that are anti inflammatory thin the blood.

[00:11:12] A lot of people, when they look at COVID, they focus exclusively on the hypercoagulability of, uh, or the, or the increase in thrombotic index of blood saying that, Oh, this is how it gets you. This is no. And actually that's a side effect of an increase in inflammation. People don't get that. Do they?

[00:11:33] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:11:33] That's exactly right.

[00:11:34] You hit it right on top of the head when people are getting these high D dimers, which is one of those early signs of clots, early, early studies, they didn't know why people were dying on respirators. Like 88% of the people were dying and D dimers, they were ignoring it. And now they know if you have a high D dimer and, and you have a high CRP, high sensitivity C reactive protein.

[00:11:57] It's a marker of inflammation, eventual, Lukin six, [00:12:00] a high ferritin levels. Low lymphocyte counts, high LDH, lactic dehydrogenase. There are markers. Now they know if you have these high markers, your risk of having severe outcomes for covert are high, but you're correct. It's all from inflammation. So the papers that I published is about blocking inflammation with NAC alpha lipoic acid and glutathione, and also using another way you block inflammation and lower it is by activating a pathway in the body called NRF two.

[00:12:32] And there are four NRF, two activators that are all natural Kerman. A tumeric is one of them. Broccoli seed extract, sulforaphane, glucose, scintillate, very powerful phase two liver detoxifier that will lower inflammation and detoxify the body.  from red wine and finally green tea extract. So we've also been using Tuckerman and broccoli seed.

[00:12:57] To stimulate this NRF two pathway to [00:13:00] lower inflammation. Cause as you said, very appropriately. It's inflammation. So we're stimulating NRF two to lower inflammation, Tuckerman broccoli seed. We're blocking the switch inside the nucleus NF Kappa B with NSC it'll cystine alpha lipoic acid glutathione. And it does seem like everyone we've been putting on this is having a positive effect.

[00:13:20] Carl Lanore: [00:13:20] So the inflammatory response that active that acts upon the lungs makes the lung tissue less pliable. And so, as a result of this, putting someone on a respirator. And if you've ever found an old instrument that had a bladder in it, like an accordion that sat for 30 years, you know that as soon as you pull it apart, it just splits and pieces because it's no longer pliable when inflammation hits the lungs and they put you on a respirator, they're forcing the lungs to expand and contract.

[00:13:53] And the lungs don't want to expand and contract because the playability and the durability of the lungs have been sacrificed to the inflammatory response. [00:14:00] These people come out of the hospital recovered from COVID, but with lifelong lung damage that just ruins them for the rest of their lives.

[00:14:08] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:14:08] Yeah, it's absolutely true.

[00:14:10] And the thing that people have been ignoring in the medical literature is when I did a deep dive into the literature to find out in the lungs, what was going on. One of the things I was shocked about is in bacterial and viral pneumonia. As well as ARDSM acute respiratory distress syndrome, which is what, one of the worst complications of COVID.

[00:14:29] The one thing they found is low glutathione. So they found low glutathione in the lung tissue in pneumonia and RDS. They found locally to find one in the blood and low glutathione in the inside the cells when people had viral, bacterial pneumonia, as well as acute respiratory distress. But no one. Has done a controlled trial using glutathione.

[00:14:50] So you're correct. I mean, the people were dying on the ventilators because there was a perfusion mismatch. They weren't getting oxygen, but it was because of the clots. It was because they didn't [00:15:00] have pliability of the lungs. They weren't oxygenating. And in fact, this new article that I just published in the journal medical hypothesis, it just came out today, a three novel prevention.

[00:15:11] Diagnostic and treatment options for COVID-19 needing controlled trials. We discussed for the people on the ventilators that there's an old drug. I took it when I was in Tibet a decade ago at 15,000 feet called Diamox. Right. Diane max is a drug, a Cedar Zola myEd that pushes oxygen off of your hemoglobin sites.

[00:15:33] So you have more oxygen available in the body. And, you know, so people are now looking at, you know, monitoring can now do a home pulse ox. I suggest that people get a home pulse ox machine. Cause some of these people in COVID that texting on their phone and they've got oxygenation rates of like 55, 60%, like, you know, they're really severe.

[00:15:52] They don't even know it. So home pulse oxes are good, but a subtle Zola mind needs to be studied because it would increase oxygenation. [00:16:00] And exactly what you talked about with the lung. There's a drug called sidenote, which menus as they get older for sexual

[00:16:06] Carl Lanore: [00:16:06] function, five inhibitors. Yeah.

[00:16:08] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:16:08] You got it. Well, guess what that does for the lungs.

[00:16:10] It gives you more respiratory power and this is all published in the literature, but no one has used it yet for COVID. So the reason we published this study is we gave people ideas. On drugs like ivermectin. It's a parasitic drug I've used for years for parasites parasites in my Lyman Babesia patient.

[00:16:30] It's been published in two studies. Now that one Joe's high dose of ivermectin in these people's on ventilators. The mortality rates went all the way down. It lowered the viral load by 5,000 fold. Within one dose of this thing within 48 to 72 hours, it killed the COVID virus in the test tube, and we've been giving it to patients and finding within hours that telling us they're better like with the glutes.

[00:16:56] So I published this article to raise awareness and say, listen, [00:17:00] these, most of these are natural supplements, but I respect in is safe. It's tolerable. I'm leaving on vacation next month and I'm. I'm taking some ivermectin along with me. If God forbid I get exposed with lots of glutathione and NAC and alpha lipoic acid.

[00:17:14] Carl Lanore: [00:17:14] So two grams of glutathione was this oral that you gave him.

[00:17:19] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:17:19] That's correct. So for the people that don't obviously have access to IV, I've been using oral glutathione for three decades for line patients who have what's called Herxheimer reactions, right? When your body's killing off the bacteria, you get an inflammatory response.

[00:17:33] Well, when you look at the cytokines, these inflammatory molecules that come from Hertz's with Lyme, that the same ones is COVID. That's how I knew that they should work. And lo and behold it did. So, yes, it's oral glutathione. People can get it and, you know, online, they can get it from good pharmaceutical companies.

[00:17:50] Um, we use both lyposomal and regular L glutathione.

[00:17:54] Carl Lanore: [00:17:54] It live on labs used to be a long time sponsor of mine. They just left this year actually to put more effort in social [00:18:00] media, but I have boxes of liposomal glutathione here and at the house and I do take it. So, um, and those are about 550 milligrams eat.

[00:18:08] So you're suggesting, taking maybe four of those a day.

[00:18:12] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:18:12] Well, yeah, so, so in the average I'm telling people probably for those people who don't, who've never been on supplements like this 600 milligrams of  twice a day, will help your body to make its own glutathione. So I I'm over 60 now. So I take 500 of glutathione twice a day, a gram to detox my body help with antioxidants.

[00:18:33] But for people that get COVID. For people that say, I can't breathe. I've got an elephant sitting on my chest. I've got this tightness with the shortness of breath. Then I would give them 2000 milligrams of glutathione all at once. And I would even repeat it two or three times a day for several days. Uh, but for an average person like you or me, that's healthy, you can get away normally with lower doses, but you want to increase those doses.

[00:18:59] If you have risk [00:19:00] factors. If you're older, you're male, you're over 60. You've got hypertension, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, emphysema, asthma, immunosuppressed cancer, low testosterone, low vitamin D. Right? All the stuff you're finding with COVID, that's a risk factor. You might want to take more of it.

[00:19:16] Yeah. To protect your body.

[00:19:18] Carl Lanore: [00:19:18] What about, what about ? So they give N-acetylcysteine for COPD, but they go, they do that to break down mucus buildup, but it obviously helps these individuals breathe. Is it helping them breathe better? The same way that glutathione helps people breathe better when their lungs are highly inflamed.

[00:19:37] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:19:37] Yes, except there's one difference with it, which is, um, you normally need Bronco, dilators to open up the lungs when they're tight and what most people don't realize about glutathione is it combines with nitric oxide in your body. And it makes something called, um, glutathione with combined with this nitric oxide molecule, which is a Bronco dilator.

[00:20:00] [00:19:59] So I have asthma and I've increased my glue defiance with a thousand a day. Now for, for years. As long as I avoid the foods that I'm allergic to. Cause I'm someone who's histamine sensitive to wine, dark chocolate, too much coffee. I don't get any asthma symptoms. I don't need my inhaler anymore, but I realized that my asthma is better.

[00:20:18] Cause I'm having a natural Bronco dilator because you're correct. NAC. That's exactly what it does. It's the mucolytic. Right? They use it all the time for COPD. But the other thing that's interesting about NAC and glutathione is it forms what are called disulfide bonds. And that's one of the ways the mucolytic effect happens.

[00:20:37] But what you need disulfide bonds for as the virus enters the cell through the H two receptor well glue define an NAC will form disulfide bonds with the virus or form disulfide bonds with these AEs two receptors. So theoretically it may slow down or prevent the viral entry into your cell. And if the virus does get in the way the [00:21:00] viral machinery turns on is by oxidative stress by inflammation.

[00:21:04] We'll glue defy on inside yourselves. Intracellularly. We'll shut that down. So that's why we need a randomized control trial because everyone's looking at 14 vaccine companies and using lopinavir and rope, retainer, vere, and antibody plasma from people with COVID and BCG vaccines. Hey, I got something easy.

[00:21:22] I got NAC alpha lipoic acid and glutathione, and a little zinc and a low vitamin D. Right? Some Cukor. We need this in nursing homes where they're dying off like flies.

[00:21:32] Carl Lanore: [00:21:32] Well, to think about, think about the fact that it would just increase the health span of people in nursing homes. Maybe they don't want that.

[00:21:40] I don't know. I'm not a sinister thinker, but so let me, so you invoke the word. That has caused me to do a lot of thinking over the past decade and that's coffee. When I look at, when I look at people, dish different socioeconomic structures, different lifestyles, completely different lifestyles, you know, [00:22:00] hard training, uh, you know, uh, uh, time restricted fasting.

[00:22:05] And then you have the average person who eats all day and all night long. And w there are certain things that I see coming up in our population. And it cuts across all of these different stratifications and they are, um, GERD, obstructive sleep apnea and nutritional, uh, identified as nutritional neuropathies, talking about people that have never been, uh, um, uh, insulin resistant in their lives.

[00:22:34] And they're developing hands and, you know, gloves and socks. Numbness, it's going up the legs now. I mean, there's clinics that are just treating neuropathy today because it's so prevalent. When I look at these conditions, I keep coming back to the gut and every time I think about this, I look at the common denominator of what people are doing in these different stratifications of lifestyle and it's coffee.

[00:22:58] It's this boutique coffee. [00:23:00] Now, I haven't been able to figure out what it is about coffee is that the turbidity that the coffee that our parents drank, you could see through it. And it was four ounces. Today. We drink these giant cups of coffee that literally when you finished drinking has mud at the bottom of the cup.

[00:23:14] And that's what settled the rest of it stayed in the liquid and you drank it. So I've done some deep dives on coffee. I've found some interesting stuff about coffee, coffee increases inflammatory markers like CRP dramatically, and caffeine does too, but coffee does something interesting. It not only increases these inflammatory markers, but it slows the clearing.

[00:23:39] It compromises the receptors in the liver designed to take CRP out. So not only do you have an increase of production, but you have a decrease of removal. And I keep coming back to coffee causing, uh, um, inappropriate or contributing to inappropriate inflammatory responses [00:24:00] in the general population. Okay.

[00:24:01] What do you think? Am I, is it crazy?

[00:24:03] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:24:03] Yeah. So in the model that I've been developing for Lyme patients for the last 30 years, I have this model, I called M States multiple systemic infectious disease syndrome, and it's a 16 point model. So some of these factors on the  model drive inflammation, And some of the factors on it are the downstream effects of the inflammation.

[00:24:22] So for example, Lyme disease and coinfections and viruses and parasites and bacteria, major drivers of inflammation, the microbiome of the gut, which you were talking about. Prevotella species, Clostridium species. There's a lot of them that are now showing up in the gut associated with metabolic syndrome, diabetes Parkinson's Alzheimer's rheumatoid arthritis.

[00:24:44] This is all showing up in the gut. But also in the gut, what's happening to people who've taken antibiotics in their lifetime and have never taken the right probiotics is they get leaky gut. So what happens is, is that if you get leaky gut and you're eating the same foods [00:25:00] over and over again, when these food molecules get into your system, it drives an inflammatory response.

[00:25:05] And that's what happened to me because my father was a surgeon. I took lots of antibiotics as a kid. I never took. Probiotics. And I started getting food allergies, but what I didn't realize is that some of this was being driven by histamine and coffee is one of the big histamine triggers along with, by the way, dark chocolate.

[00:25:22] I hate, I hate to tell people this, but dark chocolate is right behind now. It doesn't mean these things don't have polyphenols and antioxidants. They do. And with coffee, by the way, one of the things they discovered is filtered coffee. Actually, it turns out to be less harmful than the regular one. They've just, I also studied coffee quite a bit, by the way, cause I've been a coffee drinker myself.

[00:25:44] Um, but the leaky gut and the food allergies and the histamine on top of the microbiome on top of all the environmental toxins that are coming into your body, PCBs, dioxins, plastics, pesticides, heavy metals, those you're decreasing your glutathione [00:26:00] levels in your body. And one of the things they're saying, well, why do people who are old die from COVID.

[00:26:05] Well, if you look at it, they've done studies showing the elderly have low glutathione. And one of the thing they have that's low, you discussed sleep apnea is low melatonin. They bought the linked now melatonin to COVID because there's a system in the body called inflammatory zones. And these markers called NR LP three.

[00:26:27] When you get an infection like this and it drives the inflammatory homes. There are these danger associated pathogen molecules that come out melatonin will lower down that inflammatory response. So, you know, why do elderly people, why are they more susceptible? Some of it's low glutathione may be some of it may be low melatonin, other inflammatory things like you were talking about the stopping glove with diabetes, metabolic syndrome, anything that is driving inflammation and then has downstream effects the downstream effects of the inflammation.

[00:26:58] Is mitochondrial [00:27:00] dysfunction. So when the mitochondria don't work, you get neuropathy, which is what you were describing. Apathy in line. Patients is pots dysautonomia. They can hold a blood pressure or the hormones. It hits the pituitary, all of a sudden the hormones aren't working. So this model that I've developed is a multisystemic cause of inflammation and then multiple causes of downstream effects.

[00:27:24] And if you look at it and you started our talk today, this way, It deals with a broad range of a lot of chronic diseases. It's a way to understand chronic disease in a way that if your doctor says, just take this drug and there's nothing I can do. It's like, no, you may want to back it up a bit. And you may want to see if you have overlapping causes of inflammation, whether it's leaky gut, the wrong types of microbiome in your gut.

[00:27:46] You've got infections. You want to look at all of this environmental toxins. A lot of people get mold. Now over 70% of my patients are becoming mold toxic. From living in these homes will mold will suppress your immune system [00:28:00] if you have glio tox. And so the average doctor is not thinking about these things, but it's lowering glutathione in your body.

[00:28:07] So when you're exposed to COVID, you just don't have enough to be able to deal with the onslaught of the inflammation from the virus.

[00:28:13] Carl Lanore: [00:28:13] Jeff Clifton, who is watching live, says he's low in glutathione around three 20. How is that measured? Also? What should I start with three 21 nanograms at DECA leader?

[00:28:23] What would it be?

[00:28:24] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:28:24] Yeah. So, you know, in the studies that I've seen anything below four 40, I forget if it's not a grams, I'd have to look it up. Anything below that that was what the elderly population had. I mean, you want it over five 50 or 600 normally, and you can go to any of your labs and they will do a glutathione level and tell you where you are.

[00:28:41] But, you know, the fact is, is that depending on where you live and how many toxins you're exposed to or infections you have, you're going to use up. Glutathione is one of your major antioxidants. And that is not being accounted for in this COBIT pandemic. And that's why I'm so happy you have me on to raise awareness because I believe in my heart of hearts, [00:29:00] that the supplements we're talking about today and acetol cystine alpha lipoic acid, glutathione Kerman, broccoli, seed extract, sulforaphane.

[00:29:09] Glucosinolate. 50 milligrams, zinc enough, vitamin D three six beta glucan, which raises your natural killer cells and T cells to fight viruses, or you can use transfer factors. These are the things that most likely are going to protect the population. And everyone's saying let's open the economy. We just had 17 new States have new outbreaks, right.

[00:29:31] Because there's nothing protecting the people, the master. Good. But they're just not enough with social distancing. I think because glutathione is made by your liver. It's a simple solution that, you know, people worldwide could use, but I'm, I I've called the CDC and the FDA and the NIH and the department of defense and the governors.

[00:29:51] Well, I, I, I I've contacted all my people who I contact. Nobody's interested in doing a controlled study on this, and yet it might be the solution,

[00:30:00] [00:30:00] Carl Lanore: [00:30:00] you know, it doesn't it, I mean, it baffles me. I'm no baffles, a lot of people in the audience too. That these are actually preventative, you know, like, like not only chances are following this type of a protocol will not just prevent you from getting a retrovirus, um, but maybe prevent you from getting other diseases and disorders because to come full circle to what we said before, inflammation is at the root of just about every disease state today, whether it's a result of whether it's intrinsic or extrinsic, it's there.

[00:30:34] Controlling inflammation could change outcomes, but more importantly, when, when your body. So the analogy I gave one time, we were talking about protein, synthetic response from exercise. And we now know after 14 years of doing the show and all the people I've interviewed that autophagy is part of the protein synthetic response.

[00:30:54] If mTOR is turned on all the time, the protein synthetic machinery becomes less [00:31:00] sensitive to the signals to produce new muscle tissue. So we know, cause I actually interviewed a scientist who showed that when a Bazell autophagy is highest, the protein synthetic response to a high protein meal is greater, which means that not eating sometimes is just as important as eating to producing new muscle.

[00:31:22] And so when you start to look at how inflammation works, good inflammation, right? We also realize that elderly people have a harder time building muscle. And the reason for that is if you have a city with five fire departments and a house fire starts out and you dispatch a couple of fire departments, they put that house that they all go back in.

[00:31:43] They're resting, that's easy. That's good stuff. That's positive. But if you have a city with five fire departments and all of a sudden over the course of a day, you have 140 house fires. Now you have fire departments doing poor jobs, they can't arrest this fire. They've got a head to [00:32:00] that one. When your house is when your house is ablaze, when your body is ablaze, it's just trying to manage the fires.

[00:32:09] It's not going to build any muscle. That's like, forget that we have all these house fires to deal with. We can't be building muscle right now. If you can get Bazell inflammation down. So that the body has the resources that free to respond to actual assaults. You're great. You're going to live good.

[00:32:28] You're going to feel good. You're not going to have chronic injuries. Bursitis gets worse and worse and worse, but when your house is ablaze all the time, forget about making progress. It's just a slow decline of health over the next decade or two. Yes,

[00:32:43] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:32:43] absolutely. And in fact, you know what you're talking about with the inventory response, uh, for people that want to look it up, it's called the cell danger response and it, and it deals with what happens when you have acute illness.

[00:32:55] And if you can't get the mitochondria in the cell danger response to get to the other [00:33:00] side of health, and they're constantly involved in this inflammatory response, as you said, with too much mentor, it's true that no matter what you're doing for the body, it's not going to work now. Interestingly enough, Some of the supplements.

[00:33:11] I mentioned like alpha lipoic acid resveratrol actually help your body to regenerate your mitochondria apart from exercise, apart from fasting, right? Some of the ketogenic diets and doing these high energy, uh, these two minute, you know, exercises really at

[00:33:27] Carl Lanore: [00:33:27] high intensity interval training.

[00:33:29] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:33:29] So these will all build the mitochondria, but it's true.

[00:33:32] You you've got to look at that whole balance in it. Because it's ultimately the mitochondria that are responsible for your nerve cells, for your brain cells, for the heart cells, it's responsible for everything going on in the body and a tube, the mitochondria have nothing surrounding them. Like the histone surround your DNA to protect against free, radical oxidative stress.

[00:33:51] But the mitochondria they're sitting ducks, there's nothing protecting them. So, you know, that's why glutathione on these antioxidants are absolutely so important.

[00:33:59] Carl Lanore: [00:33:59] We're going to take [00:34:00] a quick commercial break. When we come back, we're going to talk about the study that was just published. Uh, so fortunately we can, we can discuss that here today.

[00:34:07] Cause it was literally just published this morning and why there needs to be, uh, some sort of trials, uh, seriously done about this type of a protocol because it, the value is pleiotropic. It goes far beyond COVID-19. It goes far beyond Lyme disease and it really speaks to a lot of the chronic illness that we have.

[00:34:26] In today's population stay tuned. We'll be right back with more superglue radio. This is the superhuman channel where we use oxygen for the power of good.

[00:34:38] Welcome back. We're talking with dr. Richard Horowitz. Right now, we're talking about a glutathione and some other natural agents, uh, to be used with, uh, in the treatment of COVID-19. And of course, these aren't sexy enough for the mainstream to pay attention to them. They want, you know, vaccines don't work by the way, lots of people get vaccines and still get sick.

[00:35:00] [00:35:00] So this illusion about what vaccines are gonna do, your, your immune system is your immune system unique to your journey. Fixing your immune system is always going to Trump. Some sort of chemical cocktail vaccine. Jeff Clifton says exercise is promoted as one of the best ways to raise glutathione production when looking online, but doesn't specify what type.

[00:35:20] Yes, you're right. It's mostly endurance exercise that's associated with. Increases in liver glutathione, but there are certain food things, dairy, um, um, whey protein increases glutathione production in the liver. So there's lots of things you can do, but taking straight glue to thiol, whether it's liposomal or a powdered brand, or going to a doctor that does intravenous or intramuscular that's King, that's it that's the best way to do it.

[00:35:46] Right.

[00:35:48] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:35:48] Absolutely. And, uh, you know, when you look at glutathione it's, what's called the tripeptide. It is three parts to it. So glycine cystine glutamic acid, if you're getting a good protein diet and you're getting all your essential amino [00:36:00] acids, you're pushing the way based proteins, right. Or, or getting cystine in, um, with glycine, you're going to be driving your own body's glutathione production along with, as you said, exercise and other things.

[00:36:10] Carl Lanore: [00:36:10] I learned the harsh lesson about glycine doc. So I've been a huge proponent of glycine for a long time. Cause I'm a high protein guy, which means high Matthias, Janine and glycine blunts, the PR the age promoting effects of methionine. And so, you know, there's days where I'll eat 350, 400 grams of protein.

[00:36:26] So I started to increase my glide glycine and take by using it as a sweetener in morning drinks, nut coffee. Um, and, uh, and then I take. Uh, three to five grams of glycine, a bedtime, because when I take my GHR P six and my CJC 1295 shot right before bed, I noticed cause I tracked my sleep five different ways.

[00:36:49] I notice I get much deeper sleep. Latency is cutback and deep sleep latency is cut back and I get much more deep sleep with three grams of glycine. So I decided well more is [00:37:00] better. I was taking about 30 grams of glycine a day. It took about two weeks for this to happen, but it's real, you know, I say on this show, the nice thing about supplements is they work the bad things about supplements.

[00:37:11] Is they work. You can't think that, Oh, uh, more is better. So I would say about 30 grams of glycine a day, about 15 grams of it, right before bed. I was waking up in the morning and I would say to Alyssa, my brain feels tired. I can't wake up. My balance was starting to be affected. I felt a little woozy. Well, you know what glycine increases brain GABA better than taking Gabba.

[00:37:35] And I just overwhelmed my body with GABA, which was just shutting down my brain function completely and making me tired. So I backed off and went back to just three grams a day and I'm fine now, but glycine is powerful, powerful amino acid.

[00:37:49] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:37:49] Yeah. The, uh, the, the lesson of that story, which you said is more, is not better, uh, is absolutely true.

[00:37:54] You, you gotta be careful with how much of this, you know, you're taking some people think, you know, Selema is good. You [00:38:00] can get it from eating Brazil, nuts and stuff, but. More than 400 micrograms of selenium, your hair and nails can start falling out. So, I mean, it's a great antioxidant, but you don't want too much of it.

[00:38:08] Right. So it's a well, so, well, well done point. Yes.

[00:38:11] Carl Lanore: [00:38:11] So let's talk about your more recent study. Let's see if I have it here. Right? New ways of screening that I went too far. Hold on a second. I think this is it here. Yeah. Three novel prevention, diagnostic and treatment options for COVID-19 urgently, necessitating controlled randomized trials.

[00:38:26] Talk about this. This was just published this morning. Just published this one.

[00:38:29] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:38:29] So, you know, I've been doing a deep dive in the literature ever since Kobe came out. I probably moved reading one to two hours a day, covert articles. I mean, just this morning with two hours of articles, reading and JAMA and new England and the rest.

[00:38:41] What I came across when I was doing this was interesting is everyone's been talking about how to stop the asymptomatic, spread the who just pulled back their statement just the day ago that, Oh, there's, there's not that much asymptomatic. There is. Uh, but there is a sign that people are ignoring and it could be done through a, either [00:39:00] an app or through a validated questionnaire, which is lack of sensor smell or taste is showing up in 88% of these people that get early COVID.

[00:39:08] So if you're walking around and you've got all of a sudden, you lose your sense of smell or taste. That means that probably the COVID symptoms are going to be starting anywhere between three to four days a week or 10 things later. So people need to know. So this article was highlighting. The role of in medicine, it's called the anatomy of discussing a loss of sense of smell.

[00:39:29] Sense of taste that if you get this, you need to isolate you. Can't be walking around, going, shopping and speaking to people because you are going to be most likely an asymptomatic carrier of the virus, and you're going to spread it. And here they're looking at doing contact tracing, but in Canada, they had Israeli researchers that developed an app.

[00:39:48] And in this app, they started monitoring vital signs. They could monitor your heart rate and your temperature. Um, your skin coloration that they were measuring pulse oximetry is even EKG is as you know, now can be [00:40:00] done on these apps. And what they found is it was a very effective way of monitoring people.

[00:40:04] So instead of clogging up the hospital beds in the ICU to find out who needs it, who doesn't. You could be monitoring people in isolation using digital medicine, but we need a validated symptom questionnaire. And there are questionnaires that have been out there for years and the ear nose and throat literature.

[00:40:21] So the first part of this paper that I published was, um, looking at what can we do from the point of view of prevention that is not already being talked about. Now, part of that also was talking about glutathione NAC, which I said earlier, have antiviral properties. A low vitamin D is a risk factor, right?

[00:40:41] Um, natural killer cells being low as a risk factor. So similarly for the people that want to know where you're going, they've now seen with these risk factors that, and I mentioned it earlier, but you know, it's a lot of information for people. High sensitivity, CRP D dimers, ferritin levels, [00:41:00] LDH, lactic, dehydrogenase, low lymphocyte count cytopenia.

[00:41:05] These are the markers. They're finding that if you have certain levels of these, the risk of going in the wrong direction is going to be very high. These are things that could be done with blood test at home, for people to follow with the pulse oxes. So that was part of the paper, but a lot of it was actually on the fact that glutathione is antiviral.

[00:41:24] It can act as a Bronco dilator. It stops the oxidative stress. It may block the H two receptor binding of the virus. All of the inflammatory response for COVID is what's killing people. As you talked about with the thrombosis,

[00:41:38] Carl Lanore: [00:41:38] it's not the virus, that's how the body responds to it.

[00:41:41] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:41:41] Correct. So if you can block the inflammation, we might all be able to get exposed to nothing what happened, but knowing that a large part of the population as they get older, don't have enough glutathione or melatonin or vitamin D.

[00:41:54] You want to raise that up because then he heretically, you'd be at less risk, but we need a randomized. [00:42:00] See,

[00:42:00] Carl Lanore: [00:42:00] this is what happens in, in a medical environment where the pharmaceutical industry drives the, the, the medical agenda. This is really, this is really it, right? If it isn't a pill, it isn't a, a drug.

[00:42:14] It doesn't get any attention. It doesn't get any money funded to it. And this is really sad because, you know, There's a big difference between asymptomatic and resistance, but they both look similar. Okay. I mean, this is something that's not being discussed much at all. And the COVID-19 discussion, there are people who are getting this virus and yeah, they're asymptomatic, but they're also completely resistant to it.

[00:42:42] What I mean by that is it doesn't even, it doesn't even come up on the radar of their immune system. There are other people who are getting this virus, but their immune systems are robust enough to suppress a lot of the symptoms. And we need to understand what people who are resistant to this [00:43:00] virus have.

[00:43:01] And I'm sure that if we looked at them, we find out they have adequate levels of 25 OHD, which by the way, Increases the biogenesis of LL three, seven a much sought after peptide. If you have enough 25 hydroxy in your bloodstream, the LL three seven takes care of itself. You don't have to spend a lot of money on buying peptides.

[00:43:21] In fact, that was shown in two great studies, one on HIV replication, which is a ref retrovirus and another one on sepsis that 25 hydroxy not only re uh, D vitamin D. Oral vitamin D not only raise 25 hydroxy, which seems to stop the replication of retroviruses, but increased LL three seven, which kept people from dying from severe cases of sepsis.

[00:43:50] You know, these are simple things that can be done, but it's not sexy. It doesn't, it doesn't attract millions of dollars. That then turned into billions of dollars [00:44:00] in sales. From physicians, and this is sad. This goes to what I said earlier. The new selection pressure is where you get your information from.

[00:44:07] If you believe only a drug or vaccine will keep you from dying from COVID, you have been robbed of your critical thinking and you've been robbed of opportunities to actually have optimal health as a byproduct.

[00:44:21] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:44:21] No, it's true. Although, you know, because I do integrative medicine, of course I do as much natural as I can, and I avoid drugs when I can.

[00:44:28] But one of the drugs I mentioned earlier is what I highlighted in this new study, which is ivermectin. And this is a who essential drug. It's an antiparasitic drug. It killed off the virus of lowered the viral load by 5,000 fold within 48 to 72 hours and kills it in the test tube. People on respirators lived longer in a multicenter study, Asia Europe, U S I've given ivermectin even every day for long periods of time for people who've had resistant parasitic infections or Babesia.

[00:44:57] Very well tolerated, no side effects, no [00:45:00] white cell count liver. If we, you know, so you're talking about how do we protect the public? One of the things I talked about in this article is maybe you want to consider, you know, it would be a randomized trial, give some people NAC alpha lipoic acid, glutathione blocks, NF Kappa B antiviral, lowers inflammation, give them Carmen, right.

[00:45:20] Give them broccoli seed, extra fact. So for Fein. Increases NRF, two activation lowers inflammation, give them vitamin D give them some zinc. 40 to 50 milligrams helps the macrophages to work better. Lowers inflammation. You can have a randomized control trial, or even just screening the populations for where their levels of vitamin D and zinc include a fine is.

[00:45:42] And then see what happens when you do this. But ivermectin, I believe because I've given it now to several people. It looks like it's going to be a home run. And some of these people, by the way, do develop pneumonia. It's not just viral. They get bacterial pneumonia is like mycoplasma. When they use ivermectin and doxy, it was a [00:46:00] small study.

[00:46:00] But those people, that death rates went all the way down, uh, by giving two drugs that are reasonably, you know, asymptomatic, you take some probiotics, don't be in the sun with Oxy, but those drugs seem to be really a winner. So the point of this study was to say, The antibodies they're now giving for COVID did not look like in some of the earlier studies that they were preventing illness, the REM DESA beer, which was lowering hospitalizations by four days.

[00:46:25] So watt, it didn't make much of a difference in the liberal collections went up, they're using four drug regiments with lopinavir and written a beer and ride, but via an interferon. Oh my God. I mean, they're so expensive to use these things and the vaccines. There's 14 companies, and they've never been able to manufacture a vaccine in this period of time.

[00:46:45] They don't think the mutation of the virus is big, but we still don't know. And we don't even know if the antibodies are protective in China, 13 to 14% of the people that have antibodies who turned DNA, PCR negative. [00:47:00] They send them out into the world when they raise symptomatic and up to 14% reactivated the virus right now, they're PCR positive.

[00:47:07] They're spreading it again. China had a shutdown, Wu hunt again, after this thing happened.

[00:47:11] Carl Lanore: [00:47:11] So, but what was that? A result of antivirals? I got the interpretation by some of the literature that I read that antivirals while they may be very effective at saving lives may, uh, they, they may stop the immune system from, from truly building up.

[00:47:28] Uh, a protective effect from the virus. Do you think there's any truth to that?

[00:47:32] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:47:32] I didn't see specifically anything on the antivirals. I just saw them watching people who had antibody positive, initially PCR, positive DNA, positive. The DNA turned negative. They're asymptomatic. They send them out in the world and the reactivated, and this is coming up quite frequently.

[00:47:48] We don't know if the antibodies are protective. So I would rather protect myself and my loved ones with NAC alpha lipoic acid glutathione. Now, for those listening. The only thing you need to know about this, that could [00:48:00] be negative. And it's rare if you take up to about 600 milligrams of alpha lipoic acid, 600 is a controlled release or 300 twice a day.

[00:48:08] You're not going to get any normal side effects, like low blood sugar hypoglycemia, but a rare person at 1200 milligrams of alpha lipoic acid, which is what they use for diabetic neuropathy and cystic ovarian syndrome and mushroom poisoning and liver talk. That is a rare person could cause blood sugar swings.

[00:48:27] And also people that are chemically sensitive that are sulfur sensitive. They I've seen about three people in 30 years, have some wheezing and tightness in the chest with IV glutathione. If they are sulfur sensitive and have chemical sensitivity more, most often an oral glutathione people have nothing because glutathione is made by your liver.

[00:48:47] But people listening should know, you know, just check in with your doc, see if your sulfur sensitive, know about that. But the rest of these products we're talking about. Broccoli seed extract, curcumin, vitamin D zinc, [00:49:00] natural easy. This is what I'm on every day. This is what my wife's taking. This was that I've told my whole medical practice, the date, right.

[00:49:06] Prevent and not one of my patients in thousands of patients has ended up in the hospital in an ICU. We have treated everybody as an outpatient. With glutathione with a little bit of ivermectin earlier on, we were using Plaquinel Zithromax we're not using it so much anymore. Uh, we used a little Alinea Knight as OxyCide was used for murders and other purposes.

[00:49:27] I think there were some options here, but I think people are over there making this overly complicated. This is a simple way to look at what the virus does. It's inflammation. That's killing you. It's not the virus. Let's take a look at, increase in glutathione, vitamin D zinc, and let's see what happens.

[00:49:44] It's very simple and I wish to God that somebody would help me to do this randomized control trial.

[00:49:50] Carl Lanore: [00:49:50] Your website is, can get better.com, correct?

[00:49:53] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:49:53] Correct. And most of the people though, to contact me, to see the updated research, go on Facebook. And just look up on [00:50:00] Facebook, dr. Period, Richard Horowitz. Uh, it's the best way because I'm publishing all the articles and anything going on with COVID or lime it's mostly on Facebook.

[00:50:09] I don't do too much on the can get better website.

[00:50:11] Carl Lanore: [00:50:11] Let's take one last commercial break and we'll wrap this up. Stay tuned. You're watching and listening to superhuman radio. We'll be right back. You are listening to the superhuman channel. Don't hate us because we feel good.

[00:50:27] Welcome back. We're talking with dr. Richard Horowitz. We're wrapping up the interview. It's a fantastic interview. Please pass this interview around because we can actually help a lot of people just by getting this information out. You know, people, I never want people to follow the things. That I say on this show, doc, I want it to inspire thought.

[00:50:44] I want to inspire critical thinking. This is something that we have lost in this population. We hear things and we just take it for granted that that's the truth and we move forward. And when you start to scratch below the surface and you find out there are other alternatives to staying [00:51:00] healthy and staying alive, especially in this pandemic, you know, we just need to spread the word a couple of things.

[00:51:05] I want to ask you too. What was the drug again? That liberated more oxygen from hemoglobin.

[00:51:12] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:51:12] Oh yeah. So this was Diamox acetazolamide and, and this is a drug you take when you go to high altitudes. When I was in Tibet, about 10 years ago, I was meditating in caves at 15,000 feet. I took a 500 of Diamox acetazolamide twice a day, and it pushes the oxygen off your oxygen hemoglobin curve.

[00:51:31] So you have more oxygenation in the blood and they showed with COVID. It was hypoxemia low oxygen. That was a problem. So why not use a drug like that? The only thing you got to watch out for is low potassium hypokalemia. You gotta watch your electrolytes. Um, and then sidenote fill the other drug for people on vents.

[00:51:48] It helps your respiratory muscles to be stronger. So if they use it on vents in this article I published, I was just suggesting that this could be a way apart from anticoagulation. To help these people who, uh, you [00:52:00] know, noninvasive now positions not being on vents has been shown to be better, but for the people who are on vents, there was some ideas being shared that maybe it could help them to get off the vents.

[00:52:09] Carl Lanore: [00:52:09] So it sounds like that drug would actually be beneficial to the athletes. Uh, if it's liberating more oxygen, Um, you know, because that's obviously why people blood dope, right? They, they spin off their blood and then they put the red blood cells back in to deliver more oxygen. Sounds like that drug could be used.

[00:52:25] I wonder if it's already being used as a, uh, as a performance enhancing drug,

[00:52:29] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:52:29] you know, it's, it's interesting. I've never heard of it's true. I've never heard of anyone using it's mostly of course the anabolic steroids, but yeah. You're right. I mean, theoretically it could be used.

[00:52:37] Carl Lanore: [00:52:37] Yeah. So you heard it here first folks.

[00:52:39] I, uh, the other thing I wanted to, um, ask, I just jumped out of my head. That's part of becoming 62, I guess. Um, so the, I guess the final thing I want to wrap up with is what do you hope clinicians take away from this? I have a lot of doctors who listen to this show. Obviously we can inspire people to look at this themselves.

[00:52:58] These are things that they could easily [00:53:00] implement on their own. How do we get doctors to. To take a look at this as opposed to going right for a pharmaceutical drug, which I'm not against pharmaceutical drugs when they use to rescue a patient, but I am against them when they're used to live on for the rest of your life.

[00:53:14] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:53:14] So, so the first thing is both articles were published in the peer review medical literature. So if the doctors were to read these articles, they'll see that there's a lot of scientific references backing up. The use of zinc, vitamin C three six, beta glucan, Carmen, um, broccoli seed extract, NAC alpha, like all the literature supporting the supplements way before COVID ever came out is in these papers.

[00:53:39] As well as the effect that in lung tissue, they found with pneumonia ARDSM you don't have enough glutathione. So a lot of this is really quite logical. It's all been published in the medical literature. Just nobody's put it together in this way. And personally, I would suggest for doctors listening, if you don't do integrative medicine, this is something you really want to learn [00:54:00] because you could be theoretically saving your patient's lives and your loved ones by putting them on these supplements.

[00:54:05] Apart from the contraindications I talked about earlier, I think this is the easiest way basically to try protecting the public. And then if you do get sick, as you said, you use a pharmaceutical like ivermectin or something like it, but this is a way to start opening up the economy and living your life and not having to be in fear all the time about guys

[00:54:23] Carl Lanore: [00:54:23] that and that.

[00:54:24] And so the worst part of this pandemic was not the virus. It is this new illusion of fear and of dying. Which I've talked about the importance of embracing death in order to have a full life. That's something I learned when my parents passed away, I became very depressed and I started to think about my own death.

[00:54:41] And I actually laid in bed and imagined this was it like, where do I can't get up? I'm dying. That actually opened up a way for me to look at life much better. I'm not afraid of dying at all. I've got all my things. I realized that that exercise, there was certain things I want them to have in place. So if I did die, it didn't have to feel like, Oh, I want to do that first.

[00:54:58] But people [00:55:00] are so afraid of dying now. And it's inappropriate because when you look at the actual numbers, the mortality rates of this virus, it's nothing, it's not, it's, it's, it's basically what influenza is with a vaccine with the vaccine. So,

[00:55:17] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:55:17] you know, it depends on which country, cause I mean, Spain and Italy, of course they were up to 13, 14, 15% mortality rates.

[00:55:25] The who average last month was about 5.7%. Now in the U S right now, worldwide, we hit about 7 million cases and 400,000 deaths. Right. So, um, the mortality rates look like they are starting to kind of slow down a little bit, but it was 5.7%, which is theoretically higher than influenza. But yeah. Uh, but, but the thing here is, is, is that I think when you look at who is dying, It's the nursing home population.

[00:55:52] It's the people with inflammatory diseases with diabetes. And so again, it's inflammation starting where we started this talk today, right? [00:56:00] It all comes down to, if you have inflammation and get a virus that pushes inflammation and don't have antioxidants with glutathione, your body's gonna

[00:56:13] Carl Lanore: [00:56:13] sorry about that. Something went wrong.

[00:56:17] Hold on. I was actually trying, I was trying to get your video up and I lost my connection. I wanted to play your video before we ended the interview. Can you hear me? Okay.

[00:56:28] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:56:28] I can hear you now. I

[00:56:28] Carl Lanore: [00:56:28] couldn't. I wanted to, I just wanted to show in the a I, so the next time we have you on, we're going to talk about, uh, Lyme disease specifically, because this is a big area of interest.

[00:56:42] There's a lot of people who suffer from it. And interestingly enough, you have a video that you produced with the, who, the guy from Holland Oates, right?

[00:56:49] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:56:49] But Daryl hall. Yeah.

[00:56:50] Carl Lanore: [00:56:50] Okay. I got it. I got to play this before we left.

[00:56:57] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:56:57] Plaid came to my office one bright sunny day. He [00:57:00] said, doc gum, man, and awful bad way. It's a 19 doc's animal. Most dead. All they can tell me is it's in my hip doctor. Please help me. I see, can you tell me what your deep inner life calls you all this terrible strive. That's a dot guy was with my beautiful wife, the woods wrong day and joy in life.

[00:57:23] Be down on the ground and we fooled around before you knew what I was doing this bounds from that day on what I've been going down Hill. Can you give me a lotion or a potion or a magic pill doctor, please

[00:57:37] Carl Lanore: [00:57:37] help me please

[00:57:41] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:57:41] check real quick

[00:57:42] Carl Lanore: [00:57:42] before the table,

[00:57:47] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:57:47] just doing my mind in the

[00:57:49] Carl Lanore: [00:57:49] short code, use it for a little longer. So that is actually a song called the ballad of the deer tick, which is the origination [00:58:00] of the Lyme disease. The deer tick. And you wrote that and you set performed it with,

[00:58:05] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:58:05] with Daryl hall, from Holland notes. And that is pretty impressive.

[00:58:09] Yeah. So Darryl was with me one day and I said, Darrell, I gotta show you something. I pulled out, my guitar started singing. You get, and he laughed so hard. He said, come on into the studio and record it. And we actually did it. He was backing me up on vocals, which is like the only time Daryl hall has probably backed up anybody like in his whole lifetime, a T-bone walk who used to be as guitarist and basis was playing mandolin and guitar on there.

[00:58:31] He's passed, unfortunately. Um, and, uh, and Darryl was laying down Hammond, organ tracks. I mean, it was just a lot of fun. And we performed this live in front of a thousand people for a Lyme benefit in New York city.

[00:58:43] Carl Lanore: [00:58:43] Okay. Some people were saying they couldn't hear it. Just go to YouTube and search for the ballad.

[00:58:49] Of the deer tick and you'll find it. It's the first thing that comes up. It's it's. So where did you learn to get that nasal twang? You sound like you're from Brooklyn, maybe long Island is something originally.

[00:58:58] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:58:58] I was born in Brooklyn [00:59:00] and I grew up in Bayside until I moved upstate.

[00:59:02] Carl Lanore: [00:59:02] So what part of Brooklyn before I let you go?

[00:59:04] My

[00:59:04] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:59:04] monities hospital

[00:59:06] Carl Lanore: [00:59:06] bed style. I was born at, uh, I was born at the, uh, what was it? Peck Memorial hospital, which has gone now. Yup. Yeah, Bed-Stuy listen, it's been fascinating. A great to have you on the show. We're going to do this again because we're going to talk about Lyme disease. Thanks so much for making time to be here today.

[00:59:20] Dr. Richard Horowitz, MD: [00:59:20] My pleasure. It was really a great show. Thank you so much.

[00:59:23] Carl Lanore: [00:59:23] Take care. All right, so I'm going to take one quick commercial break. And when I come back, I'm going to tell you what it feels like to turn 62. It won't be depressing. I promise you stay tuned. We'll be right back. Let's get some music going. We're brawn and brains finally meet

[00:59:47] welcome back. Fascinating show. So I turned 62 tomorrow and I really, the picture I had up a little while ago, I got rid of it already was taken on my 50th birthday [01:00:00] and I had that picture out for the past. Uh, probably month and a half, two months maybe soon. No, even earlier than that, we'll be before COVID came around.

[01:00:11] I took that picture out. I thought I'm going to try to look like this again. I think I can, I actually have more muscle on me now than I, when I was in 50, when I turned 50, I figured I just needed to get lean and just keep doing what I was doing. But then COVID-19 came around and my whole plan got derailed.

[01:00:28] I have to go to the gym. I can't train at home. I can do some things at home. But not the things that I want to do that I know get me the kind of progress because I need more weight. I don't have a lot of weight at home and I don't have a big gym area. Next house. I'm going to have a big gym area. Maybe it'll be one side of the garage who knows.

[01:00:47] But lo and behold, I am going to try, I'm taking up this challenge myself in the next couple of weeks. Then we working with some people. Uh, who are professionals in, um, [01:01:00] getting people ready for contests. I'm not going to do a contest, but I'm going to try to get into that contest shape over the next, I dunno, six months, let's say so.

[01:01:09] We'll see. But my father told me a long time ago when I was a young man. Take inventory on your birthday. Look at the year, look, look, what, what, how the year turned out. Did you get the things you want them to get? Did you do the things you want them to do and what do you need to do? And, and sometimes, and I th I'm adding this myself too.

[01:01:28] His logic was very good. It's a great time to take inventory of your life on that, that day. But you also have to come to grips with the things that you thought you wanted. But you didn't do, because in reality, you didn't want them that bad. There's a lot of people who will say, I want to do a competition, getting competition shape and get up on stage.

[01:01:53] And they don't because at the end of the day, they didn't want it that bad to put the time [01:02:00] in all the things that I wanted to do this year, I've done actually. And some that I didn't plan on doing, except for getting in the shape that I was in, in my fifties. Now in my sixties, but I'm not done with that.

[01:02:13] I'm still gonna do that. It was just an obstacle that. I just didn't have the wherewithal to overcome, but it's a good process. It's a good practice on your birthday to look back at the year. What did you do? That was exciting. You know, a lot of people can't even remember. They like, gee, you know, what did I do this year?

[01:02:31] It's like the years of blur because we're also busy. We're all running from thing to thing. Raising families, you know, working, you know this and it's like, we're always running a million miles an hour. And in retrospect, I think what I'm going to do this year. Moving forward, starting tomorrow is when something happens in my life.

[01:02:52] Whether it be what I wanted to happen or what I didn't want to happen, I'm going to make a note of it. I'm not going to journal every day. You know, people, Oh, you got to have a gratitude [01:03:00] journal. It's like, look, I don't have the time to journal. I'm sorry. Really? I'm not kidding you. I'm not kidding. You.

[01:03:05] There are times where I put off going to the bathroom until later, because I've got too much to do for those of you who know me, you know that when I'm sitting here after this show, the next hour and a half, I have to do all the post production editing and publish the show and send it out to the people that need to have it so that they could put it up on the websites, blah, blah, blah.

[01:03:26] So I usually have to eat with my hands. Of course, I feel guilty if I take a half hour to go sit over there and eat. That's why I love my hot logic. I open it up and I eat it white right here while I'm working. So my days are jammed up. And when I get home, the only thing I want to do, and I, this is the way I am is be with Elisa.

[01:03:46] Of course, I, I love her so much. I'm not going to be on this planet forever. And I don't want to miss an opportunity to spend time with her and focused on her. So. My days are jammed up and I am not going to keep a gratitude journal. I'm very grateful for my life. [01:04:00] I think I've had a great life really. I know, we all think that our lives are worthy of someone writing a book about them, but I really do.

[01:04:08] I mean, the things that I've done when I think about them, when I talk to people about them, I often think they're probably thinking to themselves, this guy's full of shit. He didn't really do that. He didn't hang out with Frank Sinatra. This is a lie, and I've had an amazing life. Like I'm not afraid of dying and I've done more and gotten more out of my life than I probably deserve to have.

[01:04:29] And I really feel that way. Uh, it doesn't de-motivate me. I still want things. I still want things, you know, but I, I really have had my share, but the reality is I'm not going to keep a gratitude journal, but what I am going to do moving forward is on the days that something happens, that makes me super happy or super disappointed.

[01:04:51] I'm just going to make a note. So that next year. At this date, June 11th, 2021, I'll have an accurate assessment to [01:05:00] look at. Now. I tend to be an optimist. Um, when I tell people how I grew up in a one bedroom apartment, four of us. My father was a truck driver, hard worker. My mother was a beautician. Um, the only, the only, uh, what's the word I'm looking for, the only expense that they really made an effort to do was send me to private school.

[01:05:24] I went to parochial school, so did my sister went to nativity of our blessing Lord on the corner of Clawson and Madison in Brooklyn. That was it. That was their big splurge. No, we were very, very, I don't like to use the word poor because poor implies. We wanted things. We didn't want anything. We had everything we wanted, you know, really, it was more about the neighborhood and the family.

[01:05:48] Um, back then, my cousins and aunt and my aunt lived upstairs from us. So we always had family around. It was wonderful. And I looked back at my childhood and I think, wow, I had the most exciting, wonderful [01:06:00] childhood. A lot of times when I tell people how I grew up, I think they think to themselves, this guy's gotta be crazy like that people being shot on your street, that those are the bad parts, the good parts with the comradery.

[01:06:12] And everybody was like family. We all had one thing in common. We were in that neighborhood. Whatever that meant if it meant that we were poor, if it meant that we didn't have a lot of money, if it meant that we were less than 10, whatever it meant, it didn't matter because we were all part of that neighborhood.

[01:06:26] We were part of a fabric that's missing today and it can't be replaced by social media. I'm sorry. It can't. Um, but the reality is that I'm an optimist and everything. I look at back when I look back, I just see good. So maybe I'm blinded. Maybe I, I see my life through Rose colored glasses. Maybe it's not as great as I think it is, but who cares as long as I think it is.

[01:06:50] That's the important thing really at the end of the day, but I'm going to start to make a note. When I get super angry or when I feel super [01:07:00] satisfied and fortunate, I'm just going to put a couple of words down and next year, cause I will be here next year. Next year. We'll do this again. But this time I'll actually have a list to read to you and say, These are the things that I didn't want to happen that did.

[01:07:16] And these are the things that I never imagined imagined would happen. And they did. And I'll be able to take better inventory because taking inventory of your life in retrospect is kind of like answering a food diary, right? You always over-report the things you think are good and under-report the things you think of bad.

[01:07:36] And so maybe I choose to only see good, which isn't a bad problem. Because it makes life a lot more enjoyable. But anyway, so tomorrow I turned 62. I hope you'll be here. I'm working. We'll be doing a good show tomorrow. And, uh, I'm looking forward to all of you being here. I thank you so much. So one of the things I can tell you, I'm absolutely positively so thankful [01:08:00] for it is every one of you and you think that that's like BS, but it's not because I feel like a family.

[01:08:08] As part of this show, there's so many people that I communicate with because of this show, send me information or just send me a nice little message here and there that I, I have this expanded family and it's really worldwide UK, Australia, Sweden. I mean, everywhere. You could think. I, I have people that I feel like I know.

[01:08:30] There are friends that I just haven't sat down across from. That's all they are. And so I can tell you that I'm really thankful for this show and what it's done for me. Uh, being able to connect with all of you and thank you for being here for the live show and contributing. And, uh, that's it. That's all I wanted to say.

[01:08:46] So we'll see you tomorrow. Tomorrow's my birthday. I hope you can make it. Um, maybe we'll do something funny for my birthday. Who knows? I see you tomorrow. Thanks for being here. [01:09:00] .