[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] welcome back to another episode of superhuman radio. We have a great show planned for you today. You know, we've been talking about sleep on this show for all 14 years that I've been doing this show because it's probably one of the most overlooked components of both the onset of disease and the reversal of disease States.

[00:00:18] Uh, we know that, uh, poor sleep, poor sleep hygiene is just as bad as no sleep. And, uh, getting better sleep should be a goal for everyone. I track my sleep three different ways because I'm very serious about the quality of my sleep. Today's topic looks at sleep from a standpoint of, uh, sharing a bed with somebody else.

[00:00:39] Does it improve quality of sleep? Some people think it wrecks your sleep, and we're going to get into that too. Cause we have some very vocal people in the audience that are already posting on. Uh, today's thread, uh, claiming that to sleeping with somebody else destroys your sleep. Maybe that's true of, um, us older folks who tend to.

[00:00:56] I have a hard time sleeping, uh, and seem [00:01:00] to wake up a lot and maybe snore and things like that. And we're going to get to the bottom of that just a second. First, we have to thank our title sponsor, legendary foods, uh, eat legendary.com. Is the website, use the code SHR to get 10% off your entire purchase.

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[00:01:56] Let them know that you learned about them here on [00:02:00] superhuman radio. Let's get my guest on, open up his microphone and, uh, just put up this here. So we're talking today with dr. Henning. Drew's all the way from Germany. Thank you for joining us, dr. Drew's welcome.

[00:02:16] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:02:16] Hi. Hi, thanks for having me on the show.

[00:02:18] Carl Lanore: [00:02:18] Yes, this is the sleep is probably the most overlooked, most important single component that most people have control over correcting that will have the greatest impact on not only their health, but their perceived quality of life.

[00:02:35] In my humble opinion, you think that I'm going too far with that statement?

[00:02:44] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:02:44] Okay.

[00:02:44] Carl Lanore: [00:02:44] We're having a little, we're having just a little bit of connectivity problem, but it'll, it'll disappear. So anyway, why, why did you do this study? What, what work pre preceded this, that this study needed to be looked at? I mean,

[00:02:59] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:02:59] it's a highly interesting [00:03:00] topic, isn't it? I mean, half of the population in Western societies sleep with a significant other.

[00:03:06] So I think you want to definitely know.

[00:03:12] Carl Lanore: [00:03:12] Yeah, the quality, the quality of the audio is really, really poor right now where it's just too, too much breaking up. And do you want to try connecting from your phone real quick and just see if that's any better? Um, if you go, if you can go to the original email, I sent you in your phone and just click that link.

[00:03:31] and then we can drop the browser that you're on right now. We're just having some wireless connectivity issues right now. And then we'll pick this right back up with the question I asked them. So stay tuned, everybody. Don't don't don't disappear yet. Cause this is going to be a really, and we have a lot of, a lot of good comments already.

[00:03:52] Uh, John Mills, whose name doesn't show up. Uh, but I know it's him. He's the one that says I'm calling BS on [00:04:00] this one. It makes zero logical sense, snoring, excessive movement, et cetera, can only disrupt sleep. We're going to get to the bottom of this in just a moment.

[00:04:07] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:04:07] So stay tuned.

[00:04:11] Carl Lanore: [00:04:11] Are you able to find that link in your, in your phone?

[00:04:15] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:04:15] Yeah. And then, because my, um, cannot access my, my mails from that phone, but I'm almost

[00:04:22] Carl Lanore: [00:04:22] done. We looks like we have a pretty good connection. Let, let, let's just try to roll with this. Just have that ready just in case. Okay. Okay. So please again. W what, what work preceded this, or why did you have to do this study?

[00:04:37] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:04:37] Yeah. I mean,

[00:04:37] Carl Lanore: [00:04:37] it's

[00:04:38] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:04:38] obviously very, very interesting and very relevant about half of the adult population in Western society, society, you sleep with somebody else with a significant other. And, uh, I personally want to know if that's actually impairs my sleep or what makes it better or just doesn't matter.

[00:04:55] And there were some, some proceeding studies from, from other groups, mainly [00:05:00] who, um, tracked sleep with a method called particular fee. Uh, which basically, you know, measure sleep by, by measuring your movements. And they of course say if you move more, usually worse and, uh, but that's a good method to measure sleep, but not the best.

[00:05:18] And, uh, we have an amazing sleep lab here and we thought, you know, we have to use well a bed method, um, to, to do couple of sleep. And then we, well first did a very small, uh, Pilot study that was quite promising because actually a couples, um, in Greece sort of slept either in almost, or in many parameters during deep sleep and, and subjective quality.

[00:05:45] And now we did a bigger extension study and that was, uh, uh, quite, quite different result, which coming back to previous studies, uh, is actually in line with a very, very early study from [00:06:00] 1969. We discovered that, uh, this question has been asked, but already. And so we did that again with, uh, I think a little bit better design.

[00:06:13] Carl Lanore: [00:06:13] How was this, how was this particular study designed

[00:06:17] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:06:17] w w uh, all study, although from 69,

[00:06:20] Carl Lanore: [00:06:20] this one that you just did, the one that shows the synchronicity and the increased REM sleep.

[00:06:25] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:06:25] Yeah. So we had 12 puppets in, in our sleep lab and they slept four nights. Well, on two weekends. So of course, weekend, second weekend.

[00:06:36] And, um, on the one weekend they slept together in a bed, one bed and the other weekend they slept apart. And the, um, what the order was was, you know, balance we'll have. Couples started with the individuals, the power to the couples started with a co-sleeping. [00:07:00] And which was, I think very important is that we had him on both weekends.

[00:07:05] We had one adaptation night so that we only used the second night for four year analysis. That is very important because you know, it's not perfect, but when you sleep in another place for the first night and the first night you sleep actually quite poorly,

[00:07:21] Carl Lanore: [00:07:21] Okay. And so now, and now you specify in the paper that these were young, healthy couples.

[00:07:26] Correct? So, so, so right off the bat, when I was old folk, we could do this study because most of us have sleep problems to begin with. That could be a result of metabolic, derangement, or other issues. And. We can avoid the, the, the 5,000 pound gorilla in the room. And that is obstructive sleep apnea, which a large portion of the population suffers from today, which makes them snore so loud that their partner is kept awake.

[00:07:58] All night as well. So the [00:08:00] person suffering from sleep apnea has a horrible night's sleep because it's fragmented. They're constantly being aroused. And the person sleeping with them is constantly being aroused as well because of their snoring. Had, had you looked at that group, I'm sure you would have seen something completely different.

[00:08:16] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:08:16] It's very real possibility. So you didn't look at them. Well

[00:08:28] to note that, um, that our young couples, well, they had very, there were only a few parties.

[00:08:41] Carl Lanore: [00:08:41] the audio, the audio is really, really poor. So let me, I'm going to do something. I'm going to go ahead and run our first commercial right now. And if you could, if you could go ahead and, uh, connect using your cell phone, I have a strong feeling that the cell phone would have will have a much better quality [00:09:00] of image and audio, and we can get rid of this problem.

[00:09:03] Cause otherwise it's, it's, it's going to make the. Quality of the interview, uh, difficult for anyone to follow. So we're going to run a quick commercial break much earlier than we normally do. Stay tuned. We'll be right back. I promise this is the superhuman channel doing reps with the weight of the world.

[00:09:22] Welcome back. I think we have a better image and hopefully quality of audio. We're talking today with dr. Henning Druze. About his recent paper on couples sleeping yet. Hi, you, you sound perfect now. Very good. Great. Yeah. Uh, so, uh, getting back to the study at hand, it was with young, healthy adults. Um, we have, uh, a comment that I want to bring up now because I'm Chrissy's um, I'm sorry.

[00:09:51] That's I will shoot wrong one here. Chrissy's Fox makes a good point. She says, uh, Um, I'm assuming  a guy or girl, [00:10:00] I'm sorry. Chrissy's if I'm getting this wrong, but, uh, when this person lived in Germany, they slept with separate mass mattresses pushed up next to each other, which obviously would have a great impact on the movement of the other person.

[00:10:14] Was this one single mattress that they were sleeping on in your study. No,

[00:10:19] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:10:19] the two mattresses and to do research as well.

[00:10:22] Carl Lanore: [00:10:22] So see, that does change things a little bit because now you have an independent mattress where if I move a lot, you don't feel it, which maybe that's the answer. Maybe that actually would increase the quality of sleep for a couple sleeping together.

[00:10:36] It's just another thought. Just another thought.

[00:10:38] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:10:38] Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. We do have two mattresses at home.

[00:10:42] Carl Lanore: [00:10:42] See, that's a, that's a subtlety that had, Chrissy's not pointed it out. We would have never been able to take factor that into the discussion. Okay. So these, these groups, they, they slept together.

[00:10:53] They slept apart. Uh, each of these transitions had a one night sleeping, uh, [00:11:00] acclimation period, because as you pointed out before, when you first sleep in the new surroundings, Uh, the first night you just don't sleep good, which is, which is accurate. So go on, just describe the rest of the study. So what did you do and what did we learn?

[00:11:16] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:11:16] Yeah. So, um, we used, uh, well, a method or monitoring tech technique called polysomnography, which is well in sleep as used in sleep labs, quite, uh, routinely. But it's a very beautiful techniques since you can. A measure of a variety of parameters. You know, you start with the, with the EEG brainwaves, and then you have eye movement, uh, muscle tension.

[00:11:39] Um, you can, can you measure the respiration? You can have the snoring microphone attached to the, uh, to the neck and you have a full, uh, or an ECG. Um, you measure leg movements. So you're, you've got the full picture of how sleep is actually being. And well, one of the tricks we did is that [00:12:00] we, we, um, I'll put the polysomnography or polysomnograph on both, um, individuals of the couple and we, uh, it was actually quite tricky.

[00:12:10] We, we managed to, to synchronize the devices very, exactly. So that we then could match that synchronization on a very, very good level of symbolization of test leaps.

[00:12:21] Carl Lanore: [00:12:21] Yeah. Okay. And so what, what did you find in this study? What did you discover?

[00:12:27] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:12:27] Um, Did find the three main findings. The first was that, or actually four main findings.

[00:12:36] The first was that, uh, they are rapid eye movement sleep. So called dream sleep, um, increased and increased about 10%, which is, you know, the form from the increase from 21% to 23%, I guess, the night. Uh, and the second, uh, Also regarding REM sleep. It was very much, you know, stabilized. So they had, [00:13:00] um, it was less fragmented.

[00:13:02] So they had, when they slept individually, the longest continuous, uh, REM sleep period was about, I don't know, like eight, 13 minutes probably around that. And when they slept together, they had more than 20 minutes. So that's a significant difference. Yeah. And so that was REM sleep. The second was that they actually had more movements and that was, was, uh, well, Somewhat surprising since we didn't find any other, uh, um, well disturbed sleep as any other sleep parameter to be disturbed.

[00:13:39] And, uh, you know, as I said before, about actigraphy, which message measures, sleep through movements, you would expect that if one moves more, uh, the sleep gets disturbed, but that wasn't the case actually in our couples and the next, uh, Finding interesting finding was that we [00:14:00] actually saw a Walmart synchronization, their sleep patterns, and that was not due to the wake episodes.

[00:14:07] So even if when we excluded the wake episodes, they still had a very much more synchronized sleep when they slept together as compared to sleeping apart.

[00:14:17] Carl Lanore: [00:14:17] So there's a phenomenon called reticulum memory that during sleep. So if you move into a new apartment, And there is a Tavern downstairs. The first few nights you'll be awakened by the noise and the jute box and the people, but then all of a sudden that becomes part of a particular memory and it no longer wakes you up.

[00:14:36] It still occurs. But the body compartmentalize as the brain compartmentalizes that as a normal occurrence and we don't have to wake up for that. Do you think that movement is added to that compartmentalization? So when you sleep with somebody. They usually move pretty much the same way every single night.

[00:14:53] And your body goes, Oh, that's just my, my mate moving. And so I don't have to be, uh, aroused by [00:15:00] that.

[00:15:01] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:15:01] I would think so. Yeah. No, exactly. I mean, that's also interesting that there are some studies regarding snoring and there are also mixed findings. How disturbing, you know, the, uh, the snoring of department is actually for the, um, excuse me.

[00:15:16] So there are also, um, Individuals who can adapt very well to the snoring and that yes, I would say, uh, that, um, the movements, if they are from your partner on your you're well used to it, then it probably doesn't disturb you anymore.

[00:15:32] Carl Lanore: [00:15:32] You know, I, I have a theory on that. So there are people who are easily agitated, uh, lots of things make them angry, like, uh, children playing out inside.

[00:15:43] What should be a joyous thing. They get angry about that. And I think that people who are of that kind of personality, they lay there in bed and they think that this, Oh, this person is storing and they become angered by it. There are other people who hear noises and know that it's no big thing and it's [00:16:00] not, uh, a personal, uh, front to them.

[00:16:03] Someone isn't doing it on purpose to agitate them. They just fall asleep, even with all the noise around them. And so it's a, sometimes I think personalities get in the way of, of good sleep. That's just my own experience in seeing people in, in, in life occurrences. So, um, the synchronization part fascinates me and here's why if we know that, uh, movements become ignored.

[00:16:31] Then we can't say the synchronization is a result of the lack of movement or the introduction of moving. So we know what in deep sleep, uh, muscles literally become, uh, somewhat paralyzed. Um, breathing becomes very shallow and slow, but if you don't pay attention to that, why would they synchronize? Is there any evidence that, that we know that there's energy in the brain?

[00:16:55] We know we can see it, you know, we, we can measure it. You're measuring it with, with, [00:17:00] with the sonography. Do we think that there's some sort of, uh, energy, uh, interpretation between the two heads that are sleeping next to each other?

[00:17:11] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:17:11] I don't know. That's a very good question, but I, I. No idea, no idea. It would be very cool, you know, to be able to show that it's actually like two bodies becoming one, you know, like one giant system.

[00:17:24] Right. Um, yeah, but that's, that's a very interesting question. There was there's however, one very interesting, uh, study from, uh, I dunno, Korean or Japanese group, they actually measured synchronization of heart rhythm. Uh, during sleep and they actually claim that it's due to, uh, the very slight vibration of the mattresses that heart rhythms are able to synchronize, which again, in Dallas set up, that would be, you know, it's unlikely because we have to do separate

[00:17:55] Carl Lanore: [00:17:55] visits, but it wouldn't, but it wouldn't be unlikely if our bodies sense [00:18:00] energy.

[00:18:00] So we know the heartbeat is an electronic impulse. We know that it is with the circuitry and the heart. Is firing using chemicals to create electrical rhythms. And so it's quite possible that even though we aren't aware of it consciously that we have the ability, because there's this evidence that the body is sensitive to electromagnetic pulses.

[00:18:25] We see this, we see it's bad for us and good for us. We know that things like the Shalman resonance. Oh, Schumann, resonance, whatever you want to call it, that comes from the earth. Our body actually recognizes that 6.2 Hertz or a 4.7 Hertz, depending on where you are in the globe. And we also know that things like 60 cycle can impede the ability for the pineal gland to produce melatonin.

[00:18:50] So clearly we. We, we attenuate, we clearly attenuate, uh, we, we, we sense these things, even though it's not on a conscious level, it's quite possible that we [00:19:00] sense the person's heartbeat next to us,

[00:19:04] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:19:04] possibly. Yeah. But I think there are also possible explanations that, you know, for example, smell is probably a very, uh, potent mechanism.

[00:19:14] That's also working subconsciously then. The breathing, you know, respiratory rhythm. That, that sound just as the breathing, because you have, um, for example, in REM sleep, your breathing gets, you know, um, it's not that rhythmic and it's, um, so that's, that might be perceived and maybe that's how we actually synchronize that they sinned Christ during REM sleep because, or, yeah.

[00:19:38] And so I think there are other ways. So also, but it has to be studied of course, because it's

[00:19:45] Carl Lanore: [00:19:45] so let let's talk about REM sleep for a second. So if we look at sleep and we think of it as a depth, like in the ocean, right? So deep sleep, there's several stages of deep sleep. They're down here. Very, very little activity in the body.

[00:19:57] The body is almost motionless. Maybe [00:20:00] a sleeping becomes deep breathing deep and shallow REM sleep is just below awake. REM sleep is actually slightly above what we kitted. W what would be considered light sleep? Is it possible that because we're sleeping with this person, that they keep us closer to the threshold of getting close to awake?

[00:20:22] So REM sleep is easier to occur.

[00:20:27] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:20:27] Uh, I don't know. I mean, first REM sleep, first of all, REM sleep is not. Very close to being awake. It's actually REM sleep. It consists of two phases, but the phasic and tonic aspect and, um, well, the decisive aspect is actually, you're very, uh, the sleep very deeply. So it's very hard, uh, to, to awake you from that really.

[00:20:54] Okay. So, and that's probably the, the, um, Then part of the REM [00:21:00] sleep where all the processing, the brain processing actually happens. Right. And, um, then in REM sleep is actually a very, uh, well productive state of sleep. Does lots of, lots of things in the brain, right? Memory formation and emotional

[00:21:21] Carl Lanore: [00:21:21] memory consolidation all happens during REM sleep.

[00:21:23] You put everything on the hard drive. You. Reorganize it during REM sleep,

[00:21:28] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:21:28] right? Reorganization is the keyboard. You'll have all the deep sleep and REM sleep are both very important for memory consultation, but the, you know, the, the culturalization where the, um, the memory content gets stored and connected to previously learned memories.

[00:21:43] And then the one where it's, uh, you know, reaches a high level of abstraction. So that's, uh, but mainly you rent the room, sleep part and, um, Right. So the question was why, why couples might increase a YPO? Putnam might increase the REM sleep, [00:22:00] wrinkly increase REM sleep. I think that may be two, two possible answers to that question.

[00:22:07] The first could be, um, REM sleep is also very vulnerable state, you know, it's um, uh,

[00:22:18] Carl Lanore: [00:22:18] because it's so locked in. That is the time that you're most vulnerable to someone to maybe come into your room and you wouldn't even know it.

[00:22:26] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:22:26] Exactly.

[00:22:27] Carl Lanore: [00:22:27] You have somebody else with you. You have a greater sense of safety.

[00:22:31] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:22:31] Exactly. That's exactly it. Right? So that would be, that'd be one explanation. Right? And the is very different. The other is that REM sleep is actually used, um, the time of the night where your body has troubles, maintaining your body temperature and. So you're a partner next to you might actually help to stabilize the ambient temperature.

[00:22:53] And so thus your, your body temperature and that's how the trims did quit. Um, you know, be [00:23:00] could, could happen longer. Talk about the other day.

[00:23:02] Carl Lanore: [00:23:02] I'm sorry. Talk about the relationship, um, between social support and, and sleeping with a partner, those who had less of a social network in their life. Gain the most from sleeping with a partner.

[00:23:18] Is, did I interpret that part of the study correctly?

[00:23:21] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:23:21] Uh, yes, almost. Um, yeah. We only ask from, for, uh, social support from the partner. So it was not a social social network, but how they felt supported by the partner. And, but that was the other part was absolute, absolutely correct. That those who had, um, you know, all had.

[00:23:43] Above average support levels. So we're talking about, you know, those who had a very perfect, uh, feeling of support and those who are slightly below that, but those who had, let me call it sub optimal level of social support. Those were the individuals who [00:24:00] benefited more from sleeping with a partner. And that's very interesting because I don't know why.

[00:24:06] Um, it might be, you know, that, that for these, uh, people, a divorce. That the presence of the partner is actually a sign of social support that they, you know, the presence per se, is that they feel supported and supported. And if on the other side, at the other end, if the partner is a way. They might have this very little, uh, hint of, of, you know, a doubt of the proper support, which then puts them into stress.

[00:24:34] And therefore, um, they, they suppressed the REM sleep. Maybe that might be one explanation, but we don't know.

[00:24:41] Carl Lanore: [00:24:41] Did you look, did you look at any hormonal Milos during sleep? Did you draw blood from these individuals during sleep?

[00:24:49] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:24:49] Unfortunately not, we should have a saliva would be very nice, you know, to get cortisol levels or anything like that.

[00:24:55] Oxytocin, oxytocin, oxytocin will

[00:24:57] Carl Lanore: [00:24:57] be an important indicator of what you're talking about [00:25:00] right now, because we know that when we feel connected to somebody, if someone hugs us or even during intimate moments of, of making love our body surges with oxytocin, I'm willing to bet. That sleeping with someone probably creates a, uh, a greater trough.

[00:25:18] If you will, of oxytocin production throughout the night, it would be interesting to see if that's accurate. Yes,

[00:25:23] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:25:23] definitely. Yeah.

[00:25:26] Carl Lanore: [00:25:26] What about, uh, the level of quality of the relationship in and of itself? There would seem to be some indication that those who had stronger relationships with their partner.

[00:25:39] Uh, saw a greater effect from sleeping together, right?

[00:25:43] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:25:43] Yeah. Yeah. In terms of synchronization rights based and creamy ice, uh, better.

[00:25:48] Carl Lanore: [00:25:48] So does that just come back to the, the, the support, the social support feelings. If, if you have a deeper relationship, if there's a lot of connection throughout the day, a lot of [00:26:00] intimacy.

[00:26:00] And so you feel a strong, a bond to this person that translates to deeper sleep well, better sleep.

[00:26:08] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:26:08] Mm, well, I think there are two, uh, two answers to that. The first is that in our study, it is important to note that, uh, the depth of relationship, um, yeah, that they were always out us in Christ when they slept together.

[00:26:26] So I don't know, uh, right. How it would be, um, or how that, that exactly, um, Well fits into the general notion that if your relationship is a deeper, you sleep better, but there have been other studies from, from other groups, um, that show that there is a relationship between mainly conflict. And then of course the opposite of well relationship functioning and while other sleep parameters, not so on the sleep stage level, but, you know, [00:27:00] like, um, having disturbed sleep on a general level,

[00:27:03] Carl Lanore: [00:27:03] Was there any indication of a, a difference in men versus women in this study, especially as it relates to a men, typically pulse testosterone, uh, around 2:00 AM in the morning and would arousal or sexual arousal, uh, even a nocturnal tumescence erection, uh, impair the quality of a man sleep.

[00:27:25] If he's sleeping with the woman that he's making love to. And he, he can smell her. He knows she's next door. And he becomes aroused at night that he would be awakened.

[00:27:36] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:27:36] Uh, we didn't find any, any difference in terms of, you know, gender differences. But yeah, that's also a matter of discussion actually, because there have been in those, those ectographic studies.

[00:27:49] It's generally men who benefit more from sleeping with a partner or on the other hand or women that benefit less. So there's one study that says that [00:28:00] men benefit more in another study that says that women, uh, have actually worse sleep. Um, right. But in our study there was no difference. And likewise in that very early study from 1969, uh, that, uh, also did not find any.

[00:28:18] Difference between the sexist. Interesting.

[00:28:22] Carl Lanore: [00:28:22] All right, so let's do this. Let's go ahead and take our break. And when we come back, we'll wrap it up. We'll talk about the conclusions of this study and what we can take away from it. I'm starting to think that, you know, um, couples who have been married for 50, 60 years and been sleeping together for 50, 60 years and then one partner dies.

[00:28:42] And we always hear that story that the other partner dies a year later. And I wonder. Aside from just the loneliness. If the quality of sleep. It changes so dramatically that it leads them into things like the onset of dementia and other diseases. I don't know if you have [00:29:00] any insights into that, but let, let's take a quick commercial break.

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[00:30:44] You won't be disappointed. I promise you look it's about sleep and sleep is really one of the most important things. That you can do for yourself. So check it out and back to the show. Let's bring dr. Drew's back on. [00:31:00] Okay. So let's talk about the conclusions of your studies. So what were the conclusions of this research

[00:31:08] you

[00:31:08] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:31:08] have the first conclusion conclusion of course, is that the, the myth of, um, that a partner always disturbs the sleep is a myth. Of course. So, um, at least in our sample, there was, we had no, no hint that it was the case. Um, and also the previous studies study we did and this study for 90, 69, it's all had the same, same conclusion that the couple of sleeping together did not disturb.

[00:31:39] The brains, you know, of their partners, right? They had more movements. They might in the 96, nine study. They had even a little bit more of awakening when sleeping together, but their sleep was generally better or let's say it was not worse and they had an improved REM sleep. And so that's the, of course, the [00:32:00] first conclusion, what.

[00:32:01] Are the implications of that. That's a quite interesting question. When asked to discuss what's REM sleep for of course, well,

[00:32:11] Carl Lanore: [00:32:11] we, we don't, we I've done shows about REM sleep scientists have shown that fragmented REM sleep leads to short term memory problems, because what you're doing when you go through REM sleep is defragging the hard drive.

[00:32:25] All the things that you did today have to be filed. By the brain. So you can find them later. And that is what happens during REM sleep. It's called memory consolidation. So number one, it, on a short term basis, it impairs a short term memory, but on a longterm basis, the fragmented sleep has been shown to cause a change in the.

[00:32:53] Uh, in the, uh, endoplasmic reticulum, which folds proteins to create, uh, cell cell [00:33:00] to cell messages. And there was a study done that showed that the more fragmented your sleep was, the more misfolded proteins the endoplasmic reticulum made. And these misfolded proteins become plaque in the brain. And if you're not sleeping well, autophagy is being impaired and autophagy is the mechanism that rid your body of that plaque in your brain.

[00:33:24] So fragmented, the more fragmented your sleep is, you wake up, you wake up, you wake up and you're aroused. You're aroused, you're aroused, maybe because of your snoring or your partner's storing, or you have other metabolic issues that. Make it hard for you to sleep continuously. This is a short path to dementia.

[00:33:41] We know this, nevermind. It will lead to insulin resistance as well. So your metabolic issues are going to get worse. So REM sleep is very, very important. It's a highly overlooked component of sleep. Everybody thinks deep sleep is everything. It's not everything. REM sleep is very, very important. And maybe that's why young [00:34:00] people's brains stay intact because they're at that age where they're getting married.

[00:34:04] And they're sleeping with their partner and they have that closeness. When you get old, you have aches and pains. You don't want to sleep together anymore and you'd get grumpy and moody. And all of a sudden your memory starts going to may not be coincidental.

[00:34:18] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:34:18] Yeah. Mean I'm not an expert in the metabolic side of sleep.

[00:34:22] So, um, From a psychiatry department. So I cannot really comment on that. Um, I have heard, I guess that deeply was also very important for that kind of process, but it's not my, my, uh, you know, main field of expertise, um, right. For me, it's also very important that the REM sleep has a huge impact on, you know, um, um, emotional regulation.

[00:34:44] So, uh, there are people. Or studies in which they experimentally only fragmented the REM sleep of people. And, uh, they have a very, um, well, they interpret every stimulus, more negative, [00:35:00] you know? So if are, and that's a very important for, for the also the development of mood disorders, you know, in the long run and us processes that probably, uh, you know, REM sleep, um, disturbances might.

[00:35:16] Be a risk factor for, for mood disturbances, right. Depression and so on. And that's from, from a psychiatric perspective, is that it's really important that might explain. I mean, it's been long, long been known that that, uh, being in a good relationship, uh, protects from, from developing a mental disorder.

[00:35:35] And that might one of the mechanism actually

[00:35:38] Carl Lanore: [00:35:38] fascinating, but I also am fascinated to learn. Thank you. Chrissy's Fox. For mentioning that in Germany, they sleep on side-by-side separate mattresses. That could be a big solution here in the United States. Who knows? I really could.

[00:35:51] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:35:51] Yeah. I don't know if anybody, everybody in the, in Germany does it that way, but we've found it very comfortable.

[00:35:58] Of

[00:35:58] Carl Lanore: [00:35:58] course. Yeah. It [00:36:00] makes perfect sense. That way. I'm not transferring my movement to your side of the bed, or you could just get a purple mattress. Purple mattress is fantastic at the dampening, the movement of your partner. Onto your side. So here we like to sleep. You know, we have the California King with the bed is so big that the, usually people have very little room to walk around in their room because the bed, the mattress is so big.

[00:36:25] Yeah. That's how we do it here in the United States.

[00:36:27] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:36:27] I would, I started every day. I felt that every single everything was bigger in Texas and in California, but it's okay.

[00:36:35] Carl Lanore: [00:36:35] No, California makes the biggest bed in the world. That's a California King. And once you buy one of those, your sheets cost twice as much.

[00:36:43] Everything costs twice as much because everything has to be so much bigger. So listen, dr. Cruz, I want to thank you for making time to come on the show.

[00:36:52] Dr. Henning J. Drews: [00:36:52] Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me on your show.

[00:36:54] Carl Lanore: [00:36:54] Okay. And we're going to take our last commercial break. It's going to be a really short one.

[00:36:58] I could promise you, [00:37:00] and I'm going to tell you something. I learned this weekend. I have a solution to all the problems that we think are happening here with higher education and the cost of getting a good education in 1855, a college was started right here in Kentucky, right. Kentucky is thought to be.

[00:37:18] Oh, they're not smart in Kentucky, right? They don't wear shoes in Kentucky. Well, at 1855, the birth of a university here in Kentucky, free tuition since 1855 students don't pay for tuition. It's the first interracial and first coed college in the United States. You've never heard of it, but you should hear about it because it may be the model.

[00:37:41] Going forward for what we need to do with all places of higher education here in the United States, stay tuned. We'll be right back. Spit that out right now. This is the superhuman channel.

[00:37:57] Welcome back.

[00:38:02] [00:38:00] I keep wanting to move this microphone closer and then I get too loud. So there you go. We have a lot of funny comments from people. I got to put these up first. So, of course we know the one that John Mills put up where he's calling BS, but we, we address that because these are younger people that were in this study.

[00:38:21] Old people have problems sleeping to begin with  who, um, talks about his own personal experience, sleeping alone, or with somebody else. And he tracks his sleep with his aura ring. Mmm. I think this was a. I think this was Patrick Rogers. I'm not sure who put that one up. And then of course Chrissy's Fox gave us the information about the two mattresses.

[00:38:52] Tommy D says, do studies also include a 90 pound snoring, golden retriever who also sleeps in bed with us? [00:39:00] No, I think that would cause anybody to not to sleep. Well. I don't know who this is because your security settings won't allow your name to pass through. But it says I wake up four times a night to pee, so no one is getting REM sleep in my bed.

[00:39:13] That's funny. And of course, uh, I said thank you to Chrissy's for putting up the information. She's a Chrissy. I'm sorry. I keep saying she, it sounds like a gal's name. It could be a guy's name. I'm a PA I apologize ahead of time. Um, it's, it's a better way to sleep. The two mattresses side by side. Also Austria and Switzerland, they do it that way.

[00:39:34] And also that it was a great show. Thank you so much. So I learned something really exciting this weekend. So, you know, we can't travel right now because the COVID-19 and nothing is open. So Alisa and I have decided to see more of the state of Kentucky and there's a little town. An hour, um, East of Lexington called [00:40:00] Berea, Kentucky.

[00:40:02] Yeah. Patrick Rogers. Put that up. There you go. His name is showing up now. Thank you.

[00:40:09] Berea. Kentucky is a little town and in Berea, Kentucky is a college called Berea college. It was founded in 1855. Berea college in 1855 was founded on a few precepts. Number one, no one would pay for tuition and it would be a private school. So they wouldn't ask the government for any money. What, how novel?

[00:40:37] Number two? It was the first coed college in the United States, boys and girls going to school together. That can't be good. Number three. It was the first interracial college in Kentucky, black kids and white kids, black boys and white boys sitting together in class. Oh, my word, what's going to go wrong.

[00:40:57] There nothing. It's a [00:41:00] fantastic college and they don't accept everybody who wants to go there. Obviously you have to test in, but because it's a private college and they don't accept government money, they allow the people that they want. Into school into school. They have about a 40% minority, uh, African American population at the school.

[00:41:20] And the school is a first for so many things, but let's just step back for a second. All we hear from our politicians today is, Oh, the government has to create money to send people a school. Berea college has a one point $2 billion endowment fund. Guess what? They use it for tuition. They use it so that kids don't have to pay tuition.

[00:41:44] Everybody who goes to Berea college effectively is on a scholarship and you don't have to be a rugby player. You don't have to be an artist you don't have to do so. No, you test. Then you want to go to the school, you test then and you go to school. The only [00:42:00] requirement for students at Berea college is every week they have to work 10 hours on behalf of the school, the school owns a farm store and a bunch of different businesses around the town that students run, the businesses, they get firsthand experience and running a business.

[00:42:14] They learn about it. And did I mention they go to school for free? I mean, Bernie Sanders should be talking about that, that there is a college in the United States in all places, Kentucky, where nobody wears shoes and only people have one tooth that has figured out how to give free college away. And on top of that, it was the first coed and the first.

[00:42:43] Uh, uh, interracial school in America in 18, frigging 55. I mean, think about this 1855. Black and white boys and girls going to college for free. That, that is the Apple of it's time. [00:43:00] You know, we look at Apple and, and we look at Tesla, we will get all these amazing companies doing all these great things.

[00:43:05] 1855. That was the Apple and Tesla of its time. No one knows about it. And I think it's not accidental. I really don't. I think. Nobody really wants to talk about it, because think about, I think Harvard has a, like a $2 trillion endowment fund. What are they doing with that frigging money? What are they saving it for?

[00:43:28] Put it into tuition. Tell kids they can go to Harvard. You got to test in that's the thing. If you're really smart. Have you think, Oh my God, I could go to Harvard, even though my mother's a hairdresser and my father is a truck driver. That's who I am. My mother was a hairdresser. My father was a truck driver.

[00:43:45] I could go to Harvard, even though they don't have the money to send me to Harvard. All I have to do is work in high school to get really good grades. So I can test into Harvard because my tuition is paid for every school. Every [00:44:00] place of higher learning could do what Berea Kentucky does. Every one of them.

[00:44:05] Now, let me tell you some other first about Berea college. So we hear a lot about black history, black history month, black history. Guess who started the whole black history movement? Carter Woodson, who was a graduate in 1903 from Berea college, started the whole. Black history movement. That's where it started.

[00:44:33] And it started in Berea college. I'm going to give you another name, guess who this gal is. Her name is she's got a long name. She must have got married quite a few times. That's all I can think of. Her name is Julia and Amanda Morehead, Britton hooks. She was the first African American woman to ever go to.

[00:44:56] College in the United States, guess [00:45:00] what? College? She went to Berea college and she later came back to teach. She became part of the faculty. Why don't you know about Berea college? Why doesn't everyone know about Berea college? Why isn't every media outlet going? All these schools, MIT, Harvard, you see all of them.

[00:45:18] Here's what you need to do. Here's the model for school. Just do what Berea college does. Give everybody free education. Make them work 10 hours a week and use the money that's put into your endowment fund to put people through school. What are you sitting on that money for? What are you waiting to do with it?

[00:45:41] But build more buildings, spend more money on statues. No, put it into education. Make it your business to learn about Berea college. Go Google. They have a Wiki page. It says everything right there. You'll be shocked. You're going to go. Why have I never heard of [00:46:00] Berea college? Why isn't anyone talking about Berea college?

[00:46:04] Berea college is in fact, the model for what all schools should be like. And guess what? You don't need to pass an amendment. You don't need to pass a law. You don't need to use taxpayer's money. No, you use the money. That's in the endowment fund already. That is what it should be used for. Think about that in Appalachia, in little old Appalachia, the greatest college in the world exists the model for every other college in the United States.

[00:46:36] No one is talking about it now, you know, you cannot unring a bell. Now, you know, about Berea college. Now you must carry the word forward and share that information with all your friends, ask them. Have you ever heard of Berea college? Did you know that they've never charged students tuition ever since 1855?

[00:46:54] It's all the it's also the first coed. And first interracial school in [00:47:00] 1855. You don't know about it. Well, now you do. And we need to tell, have our lawmakers look at this and say why aren't more schools like Berea college. That's it. That's all I got for today. I will see you tomorrow with more super radio.

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