[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] hey, Hey, welcome back to another episode of super Yuma radio. Today is July 30th, 2020. And we're going to be talking about if you are like me and you like to have the occasional drink or who am I kidding? When I go out to drink, I drink. And you hate the way you feel at my age at 62, it takes me two days to unwind from any kind of alcohol.

[00:00:24] When I was young, I could drink all night and go out. Yeah. And run a marathon. I actually did that. I ran on Valentine's day, uh, along Pacific coast highway, it was called the LA run. It was the morning after Valentine's day. I had been out drinking all night long. Literally didn't even get any sleep. And I went and I ran, I did that today.

[00:00:43] I'd stroke. But with that being said, Uh, if you do enjoy a cocktail from time to time and you hate the way you feel the next day, we have a remedy for you. And I guarantee that it works. And I'm going to tell you what [00:01:00] I did to test it in just a moment. Then later in the show, um, many of us have been locked down for COVID.

[00:01:06] We're getting back into the gym again and. I never listened to other people's podcasts, but Ronnie Coleman was on Joe Rogan recently, and Ronnie said a couple things that were just kind of glossed over and then moved on that I interpreted as the right way to get back into the gym. Again, and if an eight time mr.

[00:01:33] Olympia does it this way, then it's probably good for us too. We're going to talk about that a little bit later in the show. Of course, before we do that, I have to thank my title sponsor, legendary foods, uh, who, without them, the show would come to a screeching halt. If this show means anything to you always patronize the sponsors because they make this show possible.

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[00:02:54] A hangover drug that had wider benefits, uh, type two diabetics undergo some real [00:03:00] changes, morphologies of deliver. And this hangover drugs seem to ameliorate all of them. And in fact, it was even said that this, this would be good for just average people to take, to keep their livers in great shape. And I got in touch with Dan and I said, Dan, There's a hangover drug, the whole, the whole type two diabetes he's in.

[00:03:23] Good, good liver thing went over my head. I was like, we need to find somebody cause apparently it really works. And so we solicited pure nootropics and they were kind enough to become sponsors of the show. How are you doing Chris? Oh, I can't hear you. I'm doing great,

[00:03:38] Chris Dziak: [00:03:38] Carl. Thanks for having me.

[00:03:39] Carl Lanore: [00:03:39] Yes, of course.

[00:03:40] Of course. So no. Can you hear me now? Yeah. And I hear you real good. I hear you real good. Uh, there was just a little lag. That's all it was. So, uh, let's talk about this. Um, let's talk about this compound and it's called D H M. That stands for dihydro. Mirasov tan, right?

[00:04:00] [00:04:00] Chris Dziak: [00:04:00] Yes, sir. That's correct.

[00:04:01] Carl Lanore: [00:04:01] So w when was it discovered and, uh, was it, was it touted originally as, uh, an anti-alcohol drug or did it, did it come into being with other aspirations?

[00:04:13] You know,

[00:04:14] Chris Dziak: [00:04:14] like, so it's actually something that's been used in traditional Chinese medicine for a long time. And, and it is known in TCM as

[00:04:26] Carl Lanore: [00:04:26] hangover men. And so it

[00:04:28] Chris Dziak: [00:04:28] has been around for quite a long time. It comes from an extract of a Oriental raising tree, basically. And so it's a, it's a natural compound that's been yeah.

[00:04:42] Used for years and years for this. And we're just starting to find out about it on the Western hemisphere, basically.

[00:04:50] Carl Lanore: [00:04:50] So this, this raising tree, I mean, we know that raisins are made from dried grapes. Is this really a fruit bearing tree? And does this compound come from the fruit itself? [00:05:00] You

[00:05:00] Chris Dziak: [00:05:00] know, I honestly don't know that to be quite Frank with you.

[00:05:05] Carl Lanore: [00:05:05] That's fine. So, uh, so, so the study that the USC group did, you're well aware of it. Let's talk about that a little bit. W what specifically? Were they looking for? And did they find that DHM does that's an aside from being an anti hangover drunk?

[00:05:25] Chris Dziak: [00:05:25] You know, like, so basically what they found is it DHM is very helpful, but protective, you know, so it's very good for the liver.

[00:05:35] Um, a lot of the research looks at the liver because that's where DHM is effective. And so what it's been shown to do, and what is really well known for doing is increasing the enzymes that. Your body uses to break down alcohol in your body. And that has also a, kind of like a [00:06:00] collateral benefit of increasing liver metabolism as well.

[00:06:04] And so what USC study found is that there was a lot less. You know, fat in the liver,

[00:06:13] Carl Lanore: [00:06:13] and this is also effective against nonalcoholic fatty liver disease. I want to make sure that we don't confuse this as alcohol driven, fatty liver disease. These people type two diabetes don't necessarily drink alcohol,

[00:06:27] Chris Dziak: [00:06:27] right?

[00:06:27] Yeah, exactly. And so, you know, there's a lot of reduced fat accumulation in the liver, which you know, is very, um, It is absolutely associated with alcohol consumption is because it does affect the livers ability to metabolize those fats. And we'd say accumulation. And so, you know, in theory, that's the stuff that leads to things like cirrhosis and stuff like that.

[00:06:57] But what's interesting is it there's [00:07:00] been rats, for example, uh, in the rats that were given DHM. We're also shown to have higher levels of NAD plus  were in the control are fed ethanol, you know, and so I know you've talked extensively about NAD plus and the, and, and the implications for anti-aging. And so that's why DHM originally touted as a anti hangover has bee.

[00:07:29] Come a little bit more mainstream because of it's just general anti-aging and liver protective effects. So it's a, it's a really good supplement outside of its ability to address hangovers and, and alcohol recovery

[00:07:44] Carl Lanore: [00:07:44] basically. So I put it to the test. Um, we went to a friend's house. And I took one before and one after.

[00:07:55] And I don't know if that's the way it's recommended. I think most of the literature recommends taking it [00:08:00] after going out drinking. And I can see why you can definitely drink a lot more if you take it before. So it's kind of counterproductive if you're looking to go out and, and put, put a buzz on this, we'll make it a little bit more expensive to get that buzz on.

[00:08:17] So people may want to just take it after they go out to drink. So they don't drink more, but I ended up drinking and we measured it. I ended up drinking 16 ounces of a very high quality tequila. Oh, I see. I had this. Sugar-free like skinny, a margarita mix stuff. And I would just add that tequila to it in a rock glass, and I was drunk and I, first of all, drank 16 ounces of tequila.

[00:08:48] And did not feel drunk. I don't remember. I took one when I got to this friend's house. Okay. And then we drove home and I tend to Elisa. I says, I, you know, I drank a lot of tequila. I feel [00:09:00] very sober. And she took it too, by the way. And she said the same thing she says, you know, I only had a couple drinks, but I don't feel them at all.

[00:09:09] And then I took one before going to bed that night. She did not. The next morning I woke up. I did not have the classic bleary headed. Gee, I feel like crap. I can't, I'm too wide awake to lay here, but I don't want to get up feeling that I usually get from drinking alcohol the morning after. And I definitely don't train.

[00:09:33] I don't go to the gym after drinking, because I know that I'm prone, I'm going to injure myself. Cause I don't feel myself. I don't feel good. And the truth of the matter is that I've been known to say, even on this show, that now at my age, it takes two days for me to go back to feeling normal. After one night of drinking, I woke up that morning and I felt amazing.

[00:09:55] I felt good. I didn't feel like I had about drinking. And in fact I did go to the gym that [00:10:00] morning and I trained. And I said, man, this, like, there was so many supplements that I take that I, I know a working, but I don't necessarily feel them working. But I tell anybody out there who likes the occasional cocktail adult beverage, that this is a must have in your cabinet must have, because if you just take one after you drink, or if you want to do bookends, like I did one before and one after.

[00:10:28] You will not feel like you drank anything the day after. It's amazing. Have you, I know, are you, do you imbibe? Do you drink at all?

[00:10:35] Chris Dziak: [00:10:35] Yeah, no, I absolutely do. And you know, the one thing I do want to say about DHM like you talked about bookending it, and that's probably the more effective way to do it in terms of hangover prevention.

[00:10:48] This DHM is very, very safe in terms of toxicity levels and stuff like that. Such that there's people that'll take. Like 300 [00:11:00] mgs for every, for three drinks a day take. And the tricky part is, is what you said. And so that's kind of a disclaimer is, you know, you may not feel as drunk as you would otherwise, you know?

[00:11:15] And so it's, you don't want to take it thinking that you're going to be fine to drive and stuff like that. You know what I mean?

[00:11:23] Carl Lanore: [00:11:23] No, that's a, that's a really good point. That's a really, really good point. Um, And that's why I'm so cautious to say you can drink more because the reality is your, your, your, your judgment may still be impaired, but maybe just not as much as it normally is, which may make you even more regular reckless, because you feel like, well, I feel fine.

[00:11:44] I can drive home. And, and, and so, you know that that's the caveat. Like we're not recommending people take this before going out drinking and trash yourself and then drive home because this is going to keep you. A alert. That's not the point. The point is [00:12:00] when we use the intoxication, the word toxic, is there a, what I'm most fascinated about this compound, and I'm hoping that it's looked on to see.

[00:12:14] What downstream metaphor. It changes it blunts that are associated with alcohol consumption, like post-workout protein synthesis. We know that if you go to the gym and you train like an animal, and that night you go out with your boys. And you drank, you basically negated the stimuli for new muscle tissue by that, that going out and drinking.

[00:12:37] Like I would love to see what happens when you use DHM before and after drinking and, and look at the anabolic window the next day, and look at the protein synthetic response of people who didn't drink versus people who drank and use DHM versus people who drank and use the placebo. Uh, and see if in fact this [00:13:00] blunts, that downregulation of protein synthesis, because I have a feeling it does it because it's, it's, it's, it's getting that alcohol out of your system faster.

[00:13:12] Chris Dziak: [00:13:12] Absolutely. And, and the other thing to kind of jump onto that is, is it. Has been shown in rat models at least to increase the metabolism in the liver itself. And so it's, it's absolutely having an effect there. And so I I'm

[00:13:30] Carl Lanore: [00:13:30] intrigued by

[00:13:31] Chris Dziak: [00:13:31] your statements in terms of whether that would negate the lack of stimulus

[00:13:38] Carl Lanore: [00:13:38] from

[00:13:38] Chris Dziak: [00:13:38] working out, you know, and drinking.

[00:13:41] Basically that's fascinating idea. And it's something absolutely worth looking into like you and I discussed previously.

[00:13:49] Carl Lanore: [00:13:49] The other thing I need to look into is thyroid function. So we know that alcohol causes weight gain, specifically fat gain through some other mechanism. Then [00:14:00] exclusively the calories of alcohol, you know, the sugar content of alcohol.

[00:14:06] We know that alcohol impairs thyroid function. We know that alcohol literally will shut down thyroid hormone output, but it also seems to blunt the conversion of T four to T three. So it, it, it, it probably makes people gain weight because a, their metabolism is in running. At 100% because thyroid hormone is just not working right.

[00:14:33] And be the added calories. You know, a single drink maybe has got 300 calories. You put down three of them, you got 900 calories in your belly. Okay. But we know that it's not just the calories from alcohol. Cause I have a good friend who only drank bourbon. And so bourbon is not a high calorie drink, but he gave up alcohol.

[00:14:54] At Christmas time this year and he's lost 23 pounds and he hasn't done anything different. [00:15:00] So there's something else. There's something. Yeah. Well, there's something else that alcohol does does to make people gain weight. I would love to see that study done, where we take this same approach, where we have a placebo control and non drinkers, and we just look at it and go, wow.

[00:15:17] They drinkers who took the DHM. Didn't didn't gain the weight that the drinkers who didn't take anything at all did, or that took the placebo.

[00:15:29] Chris Dziak: [00:15:29] Interesting. Yeah, I think that, you know, because there, there is a lot of effects that alcohol has and the idea of the DHM is, is basically to metabolize it faster, give you more of the enzymes that break up the, uh, state Ohio. You know, the, the bad stuff that causes all the toxicity in the body. And so you get the enzymes that are basically attacking it right away.

[00:15:56] And that's why, like the bookend approach seems to [00:16:00] be the most effective in terms of addressing. Alcohol consumption.

[00:16:06] Carl Lanore: [00:16:06] Mason, do you, do you think that there are other enzymes, has anyone looked at any other enzymes that are upregulated in the liver in response to DHM consumption? Because there were other, some other things that have taken place since when I use it.

[00:16:20] And I use it every weekend now because I like to have a drink. I like to have a glass of wine and I take it just for a glass of wine. I don't, it doesn't, I don't take it because, Oh, I'm going to go out and really pound it tonight if I'm having a glass of wine and I'll take it because I don't, I don't want any of those effects to compromise me.

[00:16:36] Um, I noticed that I get real dry mouth when I take it. Have you ever noticed that.

[00:16:43] Chris Dziak: [00:16:43] Yeah. A little bit, you know, definitely. I mean, alcohol is kind of dehydrating, right? And so like what, what we've seen is when we started looking at products to address alcohol or hangover, recoveries, you look at a lot of the products on the [00:17:00] market.

[00:17:00] Most of the most effective ones have DHM is your primary ingredient. And then what they're doing is they're adding a bunch

[00:17:07] Carl Lanore: [00:17:07] B vitamins, amino acids, amino acids, electrolytes. It's like I've said that all the anti hangover cures that are amino acids, electrolytes, and B vitamins, they do nothing. They do zero

[00:17:21] Chris Dziak: [00:17:21] they're paired with DHM and it's really the DHM is, is the heavy lifter.

[00:17:26] Of the formula, you know, they're just piggybacking on that one ingredient. Let's sprinkle a couple more things that everybody's heard of a couple of minnows nutrients, like, you know, and it becomes a, uh, you know, a unique selling proposition for them. Whereas us w you know, the, the science shows that DHM is where the efficacy is at, and that's why we decided let's just do a straight DHM capsule and let people.

[00:17:54] By that if they want, we do have another product that has the H M with [00:18:00] some of those micronutrients, but, you know, for us, it's a more popular product because people want to kind of do it themselves. And so. You know, you can just buy straight DHS and that's, you know, good enough.

[00:18:13] Carl Lanore: [00:18:13] You can go. I'm sorry. You can get DHM.

[00:18:16] Uh, from pure nootropics, we have a special URL set up. It's S H R network, S H R N E T w O R k.biz/dhm. If you use the code SHR 10. Oh, you'll save 10% off. It's a very inexpensive supplement to begin with, to begin with. And the bottle is filled to the top. I mean, one of the things I like about all of your products, there's a certain dishonesty in Slack filling things.

[00:18:44] You get this big jar. I mean, even, uh, um, uh, uh, with the company, we, we, we buy products from online, um, not vitamin Shoppe, but anyway, you know, you get this big bottle. You open it up, you pulled the water cotton out and [00:19:00] literally could have filled the bottle halfway more. And it would have been to the top.

[00:19:04] I opened the DHM up and the first capsule actually fell out when I opened it up. It's like you fill, you, fill your bottles all the way up, not, you know, there's little things like that, that I notice it's a certain level of honesty. You know, this bottle is filled. This is what you're getting you. Don't open it up and go, Oh great.

[00:19:21] You know, the third of the bottle is filled and everything else is empty. So,

[00:19:27] Chris Dziak: [00:19:27] I mean, like one of our focuses has always been quality, you know? And so really when we started the company in 2013, so not, not too long ago, there's a lot of, as, you know, supplement companies out there that are not giving you what they say is it.

[00:19:48] In the capsule, you know, and so as supplement users ourselves, we wanted to basically put the best quality ingredients in our body. So what we've worked hard to [00:20:00] do is, is utilize third party testing a lot. I mean, we basically test everything that comes in and then we formulate our products based on the clinicals and the appropriate dosages and stuff like that.

[00:20:15] That. Need to be made so that those match the clinicals, and then we can kind of make claims and that's all part of GMP, good manufacturing practices and kind of what we got to do to. Adhere to, you know, we don't want to make claims that are not substantiated. And so like a lot of the products that we go out after are things that have science backing up their efficacy.

[00:20:44] Like we generally don't want to release anything that doesn't have some science supporting its efficacy in some way, you know?

[00:20:52] Carl Lanore: [00:20:52] Uh, I want to just put this up here. So whoever posted this, if you could post your name next, I'd appreciate it. Uh, because your security settings [00:21:00] on Facebook, for some reason, do not allow your, your, your screen name to come through.

[00:21:04] But this Facebook user says, Oh man, I didn't know alcohol affected your thyroid. I knew that sugar affected weight gain, but I guess it didn't realize it affect the thyroid function. I have hypothyroidism Hashimoto's disease. Okay. So I just was messaging with the gal who has Hashimoto's disease this morning.

[00:21:21] Hashimoto's disease is an autoimmune disease disorder. What you should really try is one of the highly restrictive elimination diets, either keto or carnivore for two weeks, you'll find that your Hashimoto's disease will start to go away. Their Hashimoto's disease. Is when your, when your immune system attacks your thyroid, that's why they test for TPO, thyroid, uh, antibody.

[00:21:47] And, and it literally destroys your thyroid and your thyroid doesn't function any longer because of the collateral damage to the tissue. You got to get on that. Cause that only gets worse. It doesn't stop and it doesn't get better. The [00:22:00] only way that it'll stop and maybe get better is to eliminate the foods that your body thinks.

[00:22:08] Look like thyroid tissue and are attacking your thyroid. That's the only way for it to do so. And yes, it's not the alcohol. I mean, it's not the sugar and alcohol, but it's actually alcohol itself. That seems to have an effect on the production of thyroid hormone in general. And that could even be through.

[00:22:28] An estrogen pathway, uh, because we know that we know that alcohol affects estrogen and estrogen as to dial specifically as required for, uh, thyroid production, uh, in the thyroid and thyroid hormone binding in the thyroid. So yeah, you, if you are going to drink, you should stick to, um, White alcohols, if you can, you know, like vodka and gin and stuff like that.

[00:22:55] And really you need to look at one of those elimination diets, like the carnivore diet or the [00:23:00] keto diet. And you'll find out probably in just a couple of weeks, you'll start feeling different. Um, and it's easy to do that. Do carnival, cause you have a little cheese here and there, but I mean it's chicken and fish, fish and meat and eggs.

[00:23:11] And it's like, you know, just stay away from the plant based stuff for a couple of weeks and watch what happens to your Hashimoto's disease. So. Zach do you, whenever something becomes popular a particular compound, we start to see counterfeits entering the market. And now, now this stuff works. If I took a counterfeit product I'd know right away.

[00:23:32] Cause I wake up in the morning and I'd feel horrible, horrible. Um, but do we have to worry about that yet with DHM? Is, is it becoming so popular that people are going to stop be putting out questionable raw materials?

[00:23:48] Chris Dziak: [00:23:48] I think that's always going to happen. I don't know if it's necessarily a raw material issue because it, it seems to be pretty widely available from like our suppliers and [00:24:00] stuff.

[00:24:00] But what, what happens is is you get some supplement companies, it may not be, uh, validating their blending or underfilling, or. You know, under, under dosing, the proper amount of active. And so there's, there's quite honestly a lot of ways for supplement companies to cut corners. And so it, you know, with the popularity of a particular product, and it's just inevitable that it will eventually happen that you have somebody that's like, Hey, I can come out here, you know, do half go say it's a full dose and come in and.

[00:24:36] One price. And so, you know, there's a, I'm sure you I've heard of like lab door and some of those we'll go and test a bunch of supplements and you see. Either, there are a lot of bad actors out there in this industry, unfortunately, you know? And so it's just inevitable. When you look at the hangover relief market, it's a mega market and [00:25:00] it's not drinking in size.

[00:25:01] It's just getting bigger. And so it's inevitable that somebody's going to do that.

[00:25:07] Carl Lanore: [00:25:07] Like,

[00:25:07] Chris Dziak: [00:25:07] what we've started to see is that there's a lot of products coming out. They don't have the appropriate amount of DHS. So they'll, they'll throw some DHM with a bunch of other stuff, you know, and. That might be effective enough for some people, if they take three or four capsules, but you know, it's not the most value for your money.

[00:25:29] Really?

[00:25:30] Carl Lanore: [00:25:30] I don't care who you are. If you have the occasional drink, if you like to go out with your wife or your husband and have a bottle of wine at dinner on Saturday night, date night, this is a must have. There's no reason to drink alcohol and feel bad at all the next day, any longer, no more. Right. I mean, it just doesn't have it.

[00:25:51] Here's the key, you know, in Ireland when I was in Ireland, uh, John Bolger, who took us on a tour, he listens to the [00:26:00] show. He lives in Ireland, Elisa. And I went there a few years ago and he took us all around and we were actually talking about this, you know, I said, so in Ireland they actually call alcoholism the disease.

[00:26:13] They don't call it alcoholism because everybody drinks a few pints. John doesn't, John is like super healthy, uh, uh, superhuman, yoga eats raw eggs. And I mean, the guy is like, he's going to live forever. And he tells me, he goes, you know, most of the people, I know two, three, four pints a day, like that's just the way it is.

[00:26:32] And he said they actually call it the disease. And I said, wouldn't it be great to come out with a, an anti hangover drug and call it the cure. And like we were talking, we were literally talking about this. Well, here it is. This is the cure. There's no reason to drink alcohol and suffer the negative effects.

[00:26:52] You can still get the buzz. You could still feel lubricated. You become more talkative. You're the life of the party. It's just that you don't have to feel like crap the next day [00:27:00] anymore. This is a very inexpensive supplement. Everybody should have this in their drawer. You know, you may have a friend come over one night for dinner and.

[00:27:09] You know, they're big drinkers and say to them, Hey, take this before you start drinking and then take this one when you get home and they'll call you the next day and I'll go, man, that is the best thing I feel fantastic today. And you can show them that you don't have to feel bad and drink alcohol, go to the website.

[00:27:26] S H R network.biz, SHR Nat, w O R k.biz/d H M. Use the code SHR 10 for 10% off. There's a lot more going on over at pure nootropics. A lot more. This is a great product. Yes. I

[00:27:43] Chris Dziak: [00:27:43] want it tell you Carl, like what we're gonna do too is for the next like week or two, we're going to give with the same code, 20% off of the product.

[00:27:53] We really want people to try it because we know that once you track it, It's hard to go [00:28:00] back even a year, you know, so

[00:28:03] Carl Lanore: [00:28:03] sorry about that. The music cues up on its own. Well now, and I run this like a real radio station. So anyway, like if you're getting ready to go to Cancun, For the, you know, you're getting, you're getting the deluxe suite with the, with the bottles upside down in the, in the sh in the closet where you just go put, like, you gotta take DHM with you.

[00:28:21] You gotta take it every day. You gotta take it twice a day, go and party you'll feel like partying the next morning. You'll wake up. You'll be clearheaded. You want like, this is, this is a must have, this is one of those the way you keep aspirin in your home. You need to keep DHM in your home till we're going to take a quick commercial break, because there's a lot more going on over at pure nootropics.

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[00:30:31] Because everything that they have is reasonably priced, everything. What's your best seller for nootropics? So people like me. How old are you, Chris? I'm

[00:30:41] Chris Dziak: [00:30:41] 36. I know it doesn't look like it cause of the gray hair,

[00:30:45] Carl Lanore: [00:30:45] but yeah, no. So, so I mean, but you're old enough to appreciate like, man, I just don't have the mental capacity that I had before.

[00:30:53] And what's your favorite product?

[00:30:56] Chris Dziak: [00:30:56] Oh, you know, like it kind of depends [00:31:00] on. What I need for that day. So one of the products that I like a lot there is kind of underrated, in my opinion, is, is something called .

[00:31:10] Carl Lanore: [00:31:10] Oh yeah.

[00:31:11] Chris Dziak: [00:31:11] It's a, it's like a synthetic, a thiamine that was designed by the Japanese, during world war II to cross the blood brain barrier better.

[00:31:20] And it's, it's really cool. Cause it gives you energy and it. Gives you kind of like a nice mood too. And so, so Buda means nice. It's actually like one of those ones that is also maybe like a, a sexual improvement, a supplement as well.

[00:31:37] Carl Lanore: [00:31:37] Everybody's going to buy it now. Talk about that. Oh yeah. It makes sex better.

[00:31:43] It makes you bigger and harder. Oh, I'm going to get that. Yeah.

[00:31:47] Chris Dziak: [00:31:47] So I liked that one quite a bit. Yeah. And then, you know, like a lot of the stuff that they all take regularly, he is Colin nergis, you know, Coleen is a precursor [00:32:00] to the neurotransmitter Colin. Right. And so there's, we still

[00:32:04] Carl Lanore: [00:32:04] quite a

[00:32:04] Chris Dziak: [00:32:04] few different types of Colliner GX, but I mean, from a cognitive enhancement purposes, that's one of the areas where.

[00:32:13] Carl Lanore: [00:32:13] Most

[00:32:13] Chris Dziak: [00:32:13] people are going to get benefit because, you know, as you know, Coleen is one of the, the areas of deficiency, that's very common among people in that. You know, that's why, like some of the things that we sell, like magnesium is it's to correct deficiencies because if you have a deficiency and you address it, you're going to feel.

[00:32:37] Markedly better in terms of cognition?

[00:32:40] Carl Lanore: [00:32:40] Well, there was, was, there was just nobody that I talked about on the show a few weeks ago that looked at, it was a review of like 6,000 other papers and they were looking at the things that have the greatest effect on Alzheimers disease onset. And one of the things they listed were anticholinergic [00:33:00] drugs, which are used quite often for a variety of different conditions.

[00:33:04] I even think that, um, one of the anti histamine drugs. That's used over the counter for people have like constantly stuffy nose is an actual is actually an anti-cholinergic drug. And these drugs have been shown to really trigger the onset of time timers D so exactly what you're saying is accurate because they've already identified anticholinergic drugs is causing brain problems.

[00:33:33] Right.

[00:33:35] Chris Dziak: [00:33:35] And like a lot of the, a lot of the products that we carry, some race Tams and stuff like that. And there's honestly a lot of good clinical data that basically show that those products interact with the, you know, they're thought to increase uptake of acetylcholine and glutamate in the brain and things like that.

[00:33:57] And so they've been [00:34:00] studied. Very extensively for their use in, you know, Alzheimer's models and stuff like that. You know, as a supplement company, we, we can't make any claims related to that. With there is use of some of these items in other countries, specifically for cognitive disorders.

[00:34:20] Carl Lanore: [00:34:20] We can't

[00:34:21] Chris Dziak: [00:34:21] make claims that we're selling it for anything like that.

[00:34:23] But I mean, it is. Legitimately used in other countries.

[00:34:27] Carl Lanore: [00:34:27] But if people, if people go do their homework, which most people who are interested in taking tropics are fairly intelligent about nootropics. They go in, they read the boards, they read the studies, they go, wow, this is what I want. Right. So if you're somebody who studies nootropic compounds, and you're convinced that these two are really the ones you want to start with, go to Pune, nootropics.com.

[00:34:50] Can they still use the SHR. 10 code site-wide or is that just for

[00:34:56] Chris Dziak: [00:34:56] I'm pretty sure they can let me know. And what I'll do [00:35:00] is I'll make it sideways otherwise.

[00:35:01] Carl Lanore: [00:35:01] Okay. So, so

[00:35:04] Chris Dziak: [00:35:04] 20%.

[00:35:05] Carl Lanore: [00:35:05] So if you, if you find, if you go to, if you use the, if you use the URL, Paul SHR network.biz/dhm, that'll get you to the DHM page and then you can shop out from there.

[00:35:16] And if you use the code SHR 10, you'll not only get the 10% off, but the 20% off. So stock up, I'm going to try to sell beauty. I mean, I've heard a lot of good news about it. In fact, Yeah, the pharmaceutical industry wanted to actually take a couple of B vitamins off the market because of salbutamol. They wanted to corner the market on this particular B vitamin a they will block.

[00:35:40] This is about 10 years ago. Um, it's an interesting compound. So here's a, here's an interesting question for you. A lot of people in my audience, including me, are trying to re, re re eliminate our dependence on caffeine. Caffeine is an interesting nootropic, but it has, that would be  [00:36:00] side effects that nobody wants to pay attention to because the studies go, Oh, it's good for you.

[00:36:05] It's good for you if I didn't want to use caffeine anymore, but I wanted to feel awake, aware. Would I use Sulbutiamine and something else, what would you do?

[00:36:17] Chris Dziak: [00:36:17] It's so better means really good. We kind of, yeah, so there's a, there's a couple of other products that are stimulants that, um, so like one of them is called Tia Korean Tia.

[00:36:27] Kriens an alkaloid that chemical, like structurally looks a lot like caffeine and it acts very similarly to it. It is a stimulant, but what what's interesting is, uh, there's been studies that have looked at. Caffeine combined with Tia cream or Thea cream. Um, and it basically has like a synergistic effect, but if you're trying to cut out caffeine tea, a cream in itself, could.

[00:36:58] It'd be up for that. And so there's, [00:37:00] you know, there's some other stuff that, you know, the weird thing with supplements and I'm sure you're, you know, this is it everybody's different. And so what works for me may not work for you. Right. And so, you know, like Al Carr, Siedel elder Carter

[00:37:14] Carl Lanore: [00:37:14] carnitine. Some

[00:37:16] Chris Dziak: [00:37:16] people say that that's stimulating, you know what I mean?

[00:37:18] And so it's like really look at what works for you. And that's part of, one of the things that we tried really hard to do is we give a 30 day money back guarantee. So you can try something if you don't like it, get your money back. If it doesn't work for you, we genuinely want you to find stuff that works for you because we know that once you do, you're going to continue to.

[00:37:43] Carl Lanore: [00:37:43] Use

[00:37:43] Chris Dziak: [00:37:43] that supplement going forward for it. And so we ultimately want you to just have the best experience possible. That's why we do free shipping third party testing and have a money back guarantee.

[00:37:55] Carl Lanore: [00:37:55] Yeah, that's very cool. What are the top sellers when it comes to top five sellers when it [00:38:00] comes to nootropics?

[00:38:02] Chris Dziak: [00:38:02] So like of the. Of the nootropic compounds. You're going to have your race Tams. So like the popular ones there and our acid Tam and fenal per asset Tam and phenol

[00:38:18] Carl Lanore: [00:38:18] is

[00:38:19] Chris Dziak: [00:38:19] it's a. Very effective. It is, it does have a stimulant like property to it. And it's so good and effective that it's banned by water in pretty much every major sporting competition.

[00:38:35] You can't take fenal per asset Tam if you're going to be doing that. And so like, if you're an athlete that competes in any way, like you got to stay away from know porosity.

[00:38:46] Carl Lanore: [00:38:46] Okay. Okay.

[00:38:47] Chris Dziak: [00:38:47] But so like, those are real popular and, and then, uh, pepped you pep is a peptide. That's very popular. It's been around a long time.

[00:38:56] There's a lot of clinicals and that's a very popular product. [00:39:00] And then as

[00:39:01] Carl Lanore: [00:39:01] we, we

[00:39:02] Chris Dziak: [00:39:02] chair  the most popular two are going to be your Cedar Coleen and your alpha GPC, because those are your best forms of Coleen in terms of bioavailability. I like seeing Coleen. Quite a bit because it metabolizes and turns into uridine too.

[00:39:21] So you're getting a little bit of, you know, a Coleen, a colon nergeek along with some uridine, which has some really nice benefits as well, depending on the individual. And so. That's pretty popular. And then we started selling like mushroom extracts, a lot of different plant extracts. And what we try and do is go with company like branded ingredients, because these are companies.

[00:39:48] It, I mean, basically they make all of their value is on their brand. And so they have a lot of incentive to keep quality controls and quality [00:40:00] assurance. Under tight, tight controls, you know, like, so that you're getting a really good quality product.

[00:40:07] Carl Lanore: [00:40:07] So Benza was like that. So Benson did that early on. So  right.

[00:40:11] I mean, they, they, they, they, they came out with standardized, uh, uh,  uh, their C3 curcumin that was standardized. People knew that if it was a  you knew exactly what was in it.

[00:40:26] Chris Dziak: [00:40:26] Yeah, we actually sell the Sabine so product. Um, and, and they're one of the vendors that we work with, you know? And so when we're trying to find, you know, our, our goal is cognitive, right?

[00:40:39] So like we start looking at products that have some effect cognitively, and then we go after, you know, one of the best. Available. And so for example, we carry KSM 66 ashwagandha. It's one of the better ones. There's really

[00:40:56] Carl Lanore: [00:40:56] only two major brands

[00:40:58] Chris Dziak: [00:40:58] and it's KSM, and censorial [00:41:00] beyond that, you know, all the other stuff that you're getting on the market, right.

[00:41:05] It may not be as high of a quality of product because KSM, they're, they're standardizing. So they're doing, you know, multiple ratio extracts in a lot of cases so that they can hit a certain amount of active, you know, in the extract. And so in our perspective, they've done it. A lot of the heavy lifting they're paying to do a lot of the clinicals and stuff like that.

[00:41:29] So. Typically try and go after the better quality ingredients once we launch a product. And so, you know, to the extent there exists a branded version that is markedly better, we'll go after that. But that isn't always the case. So like some of our stuff doesn't use branded ingredients, but we. Ultimately try and source the best quality materials.

[00:41:56] And so for example, we have a sleep product and it's, we [00:42:00] don't just go and use some like generic valerian root we're using like a valerian root that's standardized to have, you know, a certain amount of Lara, NIC acids and stuff like that. And same with the lemon balm. That's in there to have a certain amount of Rosemary acid, stuff like that.

[00:42:18] So we're absolutely trying to. Provide really

[00:42:22] Carl Lanore: [00:42:22] good quality

[00:42:24] Chris Dziak: [00:42:24] and do it at a price. It is competitive in the market and oftentimes much, much. More affordable than our competitor.

[00:42:33] Carl Lanore: [00:42:33] And you know what I like? So like, I, a lot of us want to be our own mad scientists. Like I could see me getting the new pep, uh, maybe the alpha GPC or the city Coleen.

[00:42:44] Uh, I could get the , you know, and I, and I, and like experiment with like, okay, I'm going to take all of these this morning. See what I would take three of them. I mean, that's what I really like coming up. With a precision product that works for me because I can buy these raw [00:43:00] materials individually capsule encapsulated.

[00:43:02] Ready. That's what I do.

[00:43:05] Chris Dziak: [00:43:05] I'm glad you said that Carl, that's actually one of the reasons that we do things, the way we do is it like, you know, you look at the products on the market and there's one, there's a lot of blended products that contain. 50 ingredients

[00:43:20] Carl Lanore: [00:43:20] and they're proprietary. So you don't even know how much of anything that's in there.

[00:43:24] Chris Dziak: [00:43:24] That's also true, you know, and the better companies will open source or label, but you know, at the same time, there's, there's companies like  that make a nootropic product. And overall it's a pretty good nootropic product. I'm not a shit in any way. It's just, it has so many

[00:43:41] Carl Lanore: [00:43:41] ingredients.

[00:43:42] Chris Dziak: [00:43:42] You don't know if you're going to be a nonresponder or.

[00:43:47] Worse a negative, the response to a particular ingredient in there. Right? And so what we've done is if you go and you look at a lot of the most popular nootropic stacks on the [00:44:00] market is, is a stack. It is, you know, is just a combination of stuff. We carry a lot of those individual ingredients so that you can basically buy the individual.

[00:44:12] Ingredients and build your own stack. That's going to be most effective for you. And so for example, is, is fenal, Parasso attempt to bring that up again is, is when you look at the message boards and stuff like that, there's a lot of people that are just completely nonresponsive to it. You know what I mean?

[00:44:32] And so it's not going to be effective to them. And likewise, there's a lot of people that'll take something like ashwagandha and have kind of a. A negative effect with like lethargy and stuff like that. And so there might be ways to counteract it, or, you know, we were talking about. Uh, hyperthyroidism and stuff like that, like ashwagandha interacts with thyroid hormones.

[00:44:55] And so you may not want to take that if you have thyroid issues. Right. You know? And [00:45:00] so why,

[00:45:01] Carl Lanore: [00:45:01] so you can assemble, assemble, you can assemble your own, your own nootropic blend. That's just a name it after yourself. And that's it. That's it. That's your blend. That's it? That's very new.

[00:45:13] Chris Dziak: [00:45:13] Cause like what works for me may not work for you, you know, and vice versa, but yeah.

[00:45:18] If you can find what works for you, you're gonna notice an improvement. You know, and the other thing is, too, that I want to just mention is that we have a pretty extensive knowledge base on our website.

[00:45:32] Carl Lanore: [00:45:32] And we

[00:45:32] Chris Dziak: [00:45:32] were always of the philosophy that if you want to get cognitive enhancement, you can absolutely.

[00:45:40] Do it through supplements, but you know, the things that you preach, like exercise, eating, right

[00:45:48] Carl Lanore: [00:45:48] sleep. Those are the things,

[00:45:51] Chris Dziak: [00:45:51] everybody, you know, like a supplement, isn't gonna address those issues entirely. But if you're [00:46:00] not getting enough sleep, they may be, take a sleep cycle.

[00:46:02] Carl Lanore: [00:46:02] I want to talk about, and that's what I want to talk about.

[00:46:04] I want to take a break. And then when we come back, I want to talk about the sleep side of your website. Sure. Yeah. The things that to get better rest. So if you want to take advantage of this offer today, you can go to the website S H R network.biz/dhm. That URL will take you to the pure nootropics website.

[00:46:25] It'll land you on the DHM Patriot. You can order that. Use the code SHR 10 for a limited time. It'll actually get you 20% off. Then once you've done that stroll around the website, fill your cart up and take that 20% off everything. I know. I, you're going to see an order coming from me this weekend. I'm going to assemble my own nootropic cause I really want to give up caffeine and I'm having a very, very hard time doing it because I've used very large doses of caffeine for two decades now.

[00:46:52] And every time I try to get off of it, I crash and burn and I have to go get some caffeine. So I'm going to try and turn to the nootropic [00:47:00] blends and see if I can once. And for all wean off of caffeine, stay tuned. We'll be right back with more super Yuma radio. We're going to talk about the things that'll help you sleep better.

[00:47:09] You were listening to the superhuman channel. Don't hate us because we feel good.

[00:47:18] So later in the show, we're going to talk about, um, something I learned. From watching a recent Joe Rogan show about Ronnie Coleman that I think Joe kind of just glossed over it. I don't know why maybe he had a lot of questions, but, um, I would have dug deeper if I had Ronnie on the show and, uh, but I got a lot from it and it's about getting started back in the gym.

[00:47:40] A lot of us have been off for a while because of, and uh, it's it's even, even Ronnie had a way to get back into it once he. A was off for a while. And I think we can learn a lot from him after all. He was a time mr. Olympia. So, you know, the guy knows how to build muscle, talk about sleep. You know, [00:48:00] sleep is, um, probably one of the largest problems in America today.

[00:48:05] People either don't get good sleep or they don't sleep at all. And it's leading to a variety of diseases. What are some of the top selling sleep supplements on your website?

[00:48:16] Chris Dziak: [00:48:16] You know, like, so we don't really have a whole lot of options too, to be honest with you. Or like what we, the, one of the few products that we created a blend out of, and it's an open source blend.

[00:48:28] So, you know exactly what's in it is our sleep products. And basically it has ultra defen, you know, which is a precursor to five HTP.

[00:48:39] Carl Lanore: [00:48:39] Which is a precursor to melatonin, serotonin melatonin. Right, exactly. Right.

[00:48:43] Chris Dziak: [00:48:43] And, and so we even throw in some melatonin in there because melatonin is super effective. Yes. Um, the sleep supplement and then we, we have L inner cause, you know, I'll,  a really nice, Anzio [00:49:00] lytic it kinda right.

[00:49:02] Carl Lanore: [00:49:02] Yeah. Relaxes you. Yeah.

[00:49:04] Chris Dziak: [00:49:04] Right. And, and so what. We all of the ingredients that are in our sleep stack have been studying either individually or in combination and shown to have either efficacy. And in terms of helping you fall asleep, stay asleep or wake up, not super groggy. Cause that's one of the big critiques about a sleeping aid is that you wake up and you're just, you're, you're not really awake right now.

[00:49:34] And so our product is. All natural and basically contains all that stuff, you know, with the addition of lemon balm and valerian, which has been studied in a combination. And the nice thing that I didn't mention is that on our website, we put on all of the claims that we have of like the combination of lemon balm and valerian root may [00:50:00] promote better sleep quality.

[00:50:02] We provide you the reference to the study that that was based on. So if you want, you can dig, you're more than welcome to do that, but the other two things, and one of these is kind of a red herring is, is we have magnesium glycinate in there. And so magnesium. For about 80% of people is effective and in that product, but there's a few adjustments, handful of people that have the opposite reaction where taking magnesium is stimulating for

[00:50:36] Carl Lanore: [00:50:36] them.

[00:50:37] I

[00:50:38] Chris Dziak: [00:50:38] suspect that they may have a magnesium deficiency because magnesium is responsible for so many metabolic processes in the body, you know? And so if they have a deficiency, they may not react the same way, but most people that take magnesium are going to have the benefits, being able to fall asleep quicker and stay asleep for longer.

[00:51:01] [00:51:00] Carl Lanore: [00:51:01] So, and the other nice thing about magnesium glycinate is that it has it's attached to glycine and glycine has been shown to, uh, increase, um, GABA in the brain. So there's that relaxing, calming effect. In fact, I know a lot of people that use a couple, three grams of glycine, uh, for social anxiety, you just put it into cheeky, your mouth, let it dissolve, and you just chill out from it.

[00:51:26] So, so that's the other added value there. So Danny Kendo who listens to watches a show from, from I'm not Brazil. I'm sorry, Columbia. Thank you. He says, what about Delta sleep? Inducing? Peptide DSIP has to be injected Danny and they don't sell injectable stuff at this website. And also DSIP um, is very misunderstood.

[00:51:51] You have to take it in the morning for, to work. People take it before bed and it wrecks their sleep. Everybody that I know that use [00:52:00] DSIP has said, you know, I took it an hour before sleeping. It wrecked my sleep. I did it three days in a row and I had crap sleep for three days in a row. Take it first thing in the morning and watch with how deep you sleep that night.

[00:52:10] DSIP um, has a rhythmicity to it. So taking it right before sleep will actually wreck your sleep. I learned this from dr. William seeds, who, when he was the head of the, uh, uh, international peptide society. And every time I've told somebody, take your DSIP first thing in the morning and you'll sleep better and they've trusted me and tried it.

[00:52:32] They go, I can't believe that's how it works because it does, but this is, that's not available at this website because that's an injectable peptide. So. I'm going to put up the link one more time, uh, which is the reason we did today's show, but I'm telling you that once you get to the website, please shop around DHM is something everybody should have in their home, along with aspirin.

[00:52:54] And it's because you will drink someday. Well, people, you know, will drink at your home or you'll go out to [00:53:00] dinner and want to have a couple of glasses of wine. And there is zero reason to feel bad the next day. There's zero. The, even, even if you're somebody who says, Oh, I just, I feel a little bit bad. You don't even have to even feel a little bit bad if you're one of those people who metabolizes alcohol fast, the rest of us don't.

[00:53:17] If you go to the link SHR network.biz/dhm and you use the code SHR 10, you'll actually get 20% off. Not only your DHM. But anything else that you buy there and I'm going to be talking about, I'm going to put together a stack this weekend and I'm going to try one to, because I really do want to give up caffeine.

[00:53:37] And I think I can, if I get the right mix of nootropics, listen, I want to thank you for two things. I want to thank you for, uh, being a sponsor of the show. Number one. And I want to thank you for talking about this stuff today. I think this is all fascinating. I love the idea of alchemy. I love the idea of buying this, buying that and stacking it and going, Oh, that feels good.

[00:53:59] And then adding [00:54:00] something or taking something away, all that feels even better. Like, that's what I want. I don't want someone to just give me a blend. That's got 6,000 things in it. Like you said, I don't know what's working. I don't know. What's not, um, I'd rather be able to experiment with individual compounds and then use them synergistically and see which one works and which one does it?

[00:54:18] So thanks, Chris.

[00:54:21] Chris Dziak: [00:54:21] Thank you, Carl. It's pleasure.

[00:54:23] Carl Lanore: [00:54:23] Okay, we'll talk again soon. We're going to take one, one quick commercial break. And when we come back, I am going to talk about what I learned from Ronnie Coleman about getting back into the gym. After a long layoff stay tuned, we shall return. Spit that out right now.

[00:54:43] This is the superhuman channel.

[00:54:59] welcome [00:55:00] back.

[00:55:05] So it's funny. I never listen to anybody else's podcast. I don't. And I have never have, I remember Aaron Singerman when we used to do off topic, used to get mad at me because I wouldn't listen to anybody else's podcast, but I do that because I don't want to be influenced by anyone. I don't want. To not ask a question or ask a question a certain way because someone else did on their podcast.

[00:55:31] I also always wanted to let my brain, uh, do the driving, uh, when I did an interview, but I love Ronnie Coleman. I don't know him. I've never met him, but he's inspired me. Like he's inspired lots of people. I remember back in the day when I was really getting big and strong. I would watch his, uh, I guess it was the, uh, when he was in the sixth or fifth Olympia [00:56:00] mode.

[00:56:01] And he did a video called the unbelievable, I believe it was called. If I was going to train legs, I watched his leg day. If I was trained in shoulders, I watched his shoulder workout. If I wish. And I used that I would get upstairs. I'd have my pre-workout meal in my hand. I'd sit in front of the TV. Fast forward to that part of the DVD, watch it sometimes watch it again.

[00:56:24] Sometimes watch it again. And, uh, he motivated so many of us to train hard. He left nothing, uh, for the ride home. He crushed his body every time. He's a true athlete in the true sense of the word. Um, And I believe that any sport, he would have turned his eyes on, he would have been a dominating force. He chose bodybuilding and he has been to my knowledge, the biggest and the [00:57:00] strongest.

[00:57:00] Although Johnny Jackson, no, he says, well, he's the strongest pound for pound because he's smaller and that's probably true. But I I've never seen a bodybuilder six weeks out, completely carved depleted. Do what Ronnie Coleman did back in the day, pulling deadlifts for 700, with 700 pounds of a reps front squatting, 600 pounds for reps.

[00:57:24] Um, he was amazing. Well, today he's he's. Fairly cripple. It's sad. He's had like eight or 11 surgeries on his back. They fuse just about every part of his spine, including up to his neck. He still trains every day. I can imagine it. I know how he feels. I mean, I training those of you who understand this statement, know that.

[00:57:51] The average person would say to Ronnie, why are you doing this to yourself? And he would probably say, I'm not doing anything to myself. I love this. This is what makes me feel good. Maybe making, maybe you [00:58:00] sit at home, watching wheel of fortune, make you feel good. Me being in this job and moving weight, however can, whatever I can still do makes me feel good.

[00:58:07] I'm sure that's what he would say because there are those of us who we know how that feels. So I was listening to Joe Rogan the other day, just this one interview that someone sent me about Ronnie Coleman. I didn't listen to the whole interview cause it was a very long interview and that's a lot of time for me to commit to them.

[00:58:26] Yeah. But I got to the part where they were talking about when he was competing. So Ronnie said a couple of things and they just were glossed over, but they weren't for me, they were like, wow, that's really interesting. So Ronnie told Joe, and of course I'm paraphrasing, um, that, uh, every year he would take off for three months after the Olympia.

[00:58:51] So he would take off the three months after the Olympia. He wouldn't train, he would eat. He would go on. I remember him and honey Rambod used to go on cruises [00:59:00] together with their girlfriends. They always on cruises after the Olympia was over. Um, but he would take off for three months and then after that three month layover, he would get back into the gym.

[00:59:13] And Ronnie said something that I would have like, wait a minute. I wanna, I want to be clear and he'd say, uh, and then it would start all over again. I would start from the beginning. Okay. And Joe did follow up and say, yeah, you would start all over again. He goes, Oh yeah, I'd start from scratch. Now what I interpreted that to mean is that Ronnie, didn't go back into the gym after being off for three months and try to move 50% of the weight.

[00:59:46] He was moving at his strongest just three months earlier. I interpreted it as he goes back to when, you know, Ronnie's a very simple guy, he uses simple words and he means what he says specifically. And when he said [01:00:00] I stopped from scratch, I interpreted that as I go back in the gym and it's just like the first time I started training, I'm not going to try to squat 700 pounds.

[01:00:11] I'm not going to pull 600 pounds. You know, I'm probably going to start out with 30% of the max weight I was using at that. And just kind of ease into it because Ronnie is not a complex speaker. What he says is exactly what he means too often, we read into things because we think, well, somebody must mean something else than that.

[01:00:32] And Joe said, do you always do it that way? He says, I always did. And then he said, except the one time I didn't, that's when I injured my back. And that's when they started to go back into the discussion about his back. So what I took away from this was that. An eight time mr. Olympia, probably the strongest bodybuilder that we will ever see really.

[01:00:57] And the most massive keep in [01:01:00] mind that when Ronnie stepped on stage, he was under 1% body fat. He was, I think I read one time where he said he was 0.0 3.3% body fat link. Think about that. A third of 1% of body fat. I mean, that means no visceral fat. That means no subcutaneous fat. I'm just shredded a shredded human being.

[01:01:25] And I think that the heaviest, he was in one of his competitions was close to 290 pounds. Think about that. And he's only, he's only five 11. He's not even quite six foot and to be 290 pounds and less than 1% body fat, we're talking about freakish. Body composition, freakish and all people. Well drug look, I could give you all the drugs Ronnie took and you could never do what he did.

[01:01:52] I'm sorry. So don't, don't steal this man's thunder, but many of us back [01:02:00] into the gym, me included, you know, I'm starting, I'm literally, I've trained consistently. Now this is my second week. I'm going to the gym after work today. I couldn't get into the gym in the morning. I couldn't motivate myself to get into the, in the gym in the morning.

[01:02:10] I was okay. I gotta do something different. So I do a little bit of cardio in the morning. Maybe some farmer's walks if I feel adventurous, but I go to the gym after today's show, I'll go to the gym after I'm all done with my work here around four 30 or so, but how many of us have the courage? And it takes courage.

[01:02:31] Think about this, right? Ronnie Coleman walked back into the Jimmy after being off for three months, just three months before people see him front squat and 600 pounds. They're expecting to see Ronnie like. Doing something similar and he picks up 25, 30 pound dumbbells and starts busting out dumbbell curls.

[01:02:49] They're like, come on. This guy, curls three 15. Usually like what's takes courage. And, and see those of us who are strong and I'm [01:03:00] embellishing myself by saying that I'm part of that group, but those of us who are strong, we know how to actually move weight. We know what it feels like. We know how to enlist our bodies to move heavy weight.

[01:03:14] We're the ones that at the most risk of hurting ourselves when we're getting back into it, Jim, because it's like, Oh yeah, three 15, boom. I'm going to pull it. No problem. And all my back. So those of us who are strong, it takes a lot of courage to go into the gym and grab lightweights for the first couple months and start easing back into things.

[01:03:35] But clearly Ronnie Coleman did that and he's eight time mr. Olympia. He, he 290 pounds at less than 1% body fat moved, more weight than any bodybuilder I've ever seen. Don't forget Dorian Yates and all those guys were strong, but none of them did what Ronnie did. And Ronnie was in a cutting phase. He wasn't even in his strongest, he said he was reducing calories, reducing carbohydrates, and doing what he was [01:04:00] doing.

[01:04:01] And if he has the courage and the foresight to go, I'm not going to go back in that gym and try to do what I was doing three months ago. I'm going to start from scratch. I'm going to start from the beginning. Those are the two terms he used and I envisioned Ronnie going in and grabbing 25 pound dumbbells and just moving them around.

[01:04:20] Just to get everything back in ocean. And that takes courage because I know I'm one of those egotistical idiots. I've told this story before, where I had just trained back back. I just dead lifted the day before, and I was dead lifting heavy at this point in my life. And all I had to do was cardio the next day.

[01:04:40] And I was up at Jeff Ruiz powerhouse gym in the cardio wing. Looking down and a buddy of mine came in and he's getting ready to deadlift. And I'm literally having to talk myself out of getting off the treadmill and going down there and deadlift with him again, because I know that I'm stronger than him and I want to pull with him.

[01:05:01] [01:05:00] Chris Dziak: [01:05:01] That's

[01:05:01] Carl Lanore: [01:05:01] idiocy, that's ego, that lacks courage. It takes more courage to stay up on the treadmill and do what I'm supposed to do than try to go down there and show off. And if it's good enough for Ronnie Coleman to start from the beginning, it's good enough for you and me. So if you're just getting back into the gym, whatever you plan on going there and doing cut it back by 50%, you're not going to, you're not going to be doing that a month from now, but just do it for now because at the end of the day, if the strongest biggest.

[01:05:35] Most successful bodybuilder of all time. And I know there's, you know, I think Arnold did Arnold win more Olympians than Ronnie? I don't know. Ana was never as big as Ronnie. Never, never, ever, ever, but for a guy like Ronnie Coleman to recognize. That he has to start from the beginning. He has to start from scratch and to have the courage, to go into the gym and move lightweight around.

[01:05:59] And people [01:06:00] probably looking at him and go, what the hell I thought this guy was big and strong. Like what what's he doing with those little dumbbells? What's he doing with the 135 pounds on that, that Barb, uh, an incline bench press. They didn't understand that Ronnie knew he would be back to his strong.

[01:06:16] Ronnie again, he wasn't willing to damage himself. And the one time he didn't do that is when he busted his disc in his lower spine. And that led to every other back injury. I could hear the remorse in his voice when he said to Joe, when Joe said, do you always do that? He said, yeah. He goes, well, except the one time when I injured my back.

[01:06:47] If you're getting back into the gym for the first time in a long time. And especially if you have always been strong, have the courage to go into the gym and do what's good for you have the [01:07:00] courage to go into the gym and start from scratch. Have the courage to go into the gym and use the weights that you used a year or two ago before you got as strong as you are right before this layoff do not go into the gym.

[01:07:13] And expect to start with 50 or 75% of the weight that you were moving before this layoff, if it's good enough for Ronnie Coleman, it's good enough for you. That's all I've got to today. So tomorrow, uh, I'm off the air. I'm actually going to meet the folks at, um, I want to say it's wild. Yeah. I'll tell you what it is.

[01:07:32] I'm going through the castle in Lexington, Kentucky, and. Wild health. There's a group of doctors out there that have a facility. That's an actual castle and it's called the wild health facility in Lexington, Kentucky. And I'm going to meet them tomorrow because they're doing some amazing farm to table type stuff and using a good food as treatment for patients and the Lisa and I are going [01:08:00] to sit down with them and just kind of brainstorm a little bit.

[01:08:02] And I'm sure that'll end up becoming a show in the near future. It's a great weekend. I'm going to have a few drinks this weekend because I've got DHM already. If you don't have DHM already, you need to get it. I'm going to plug this one last time. I promise you. You will thank me. Go to the link SHR network.biz, SHR, N E T w O R k.biz/d H M.

[01:08:26] Use the code SHR 10. For a limited time, you'll get 20% off, feel free to shop around, but definitely get yourself a bottle of DHM keep it in your house. But when you do drink or when friends come over and drink, you let them have one before they drank, let them have one. As they go home, they will call you.

[01:08:44] And thank you. They'll say I can't believe it. I drank so much and I feel great a hero, a magician, but keep it in the house for when you feel like having a drink so that the alcohol doesn't derail. Your progress. Okay. We'll see [01:09:00] everybody a Monday with more superhuman radio. Thank you so much for listening today and watching.

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