[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] welcome back to another episode of super human radio. Today is September 3rd, 2020. And this is a subject of what we've spoken about, uh, on and off for the entire time that the show has been in production. And that is menopause because since I started doing this show 14 years ago to today, it seems like the word still hasn't gotten out to women.

[00:00:26] I don't know why that is. We're going to be talking about menopause with a doctor who has spent his career, not only helping women, but helping physicians help women. Uh, dr. David Rosen sweetened just a moment, but of course we have to thank our title sponsor. First legendary foods. The website is eat legendary.com.

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[00:01:21] Bring my guests then dr. David Rosen. Sweet. How are you doing dr. Rosa? Sweet. Dope. I'm sorry. I had your microphone. I hit the wrong button. Sorry about that. Welcome to the show. Thank you. So, uh, I started saying years ago that if men went through menopause, physicians would treat it much differently. But too often.

[00:01:46] Uh, and th this probably comes along the way with the industrial revolution where women, like my mother stayed home and took care of children. Uh, they didn't become less productive. So the impact of the [00:02:00] household wasn't as dramatic, but menopause, derails. And I use that word specifically, derails, a large majority of women's lives.

[00:02:13] It turns them into zombies. They don't recognize themselves. Their families no longer recognize them. When I was a kid, I heard my grandmother talk about it. They called it the change, the change of life, but it was just accepted. It was like, damn, that's part of being a woman get used to it. It's not that way anymore.

[00:02:32] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:02:32] Well, women are more and more aware and are leading us in awareness from my perspective. And, um, you know, they're very involved in very active lives and that crash that takes place from the total shutdown or we're very in hormones is extremely detrimental. 75% of all women in menopause experience, very harsh and life stopping changes in the beginning.

[00:03:00] [00:03:00] And then all women almost, almost a hundred percent over the course of time into their seventies, eighties and nineties eventually get this mantle. By the low hormones and wind up with canes, walkers, wheelchairs, assisted living and nursing homes. That's how serious that hormonal loss eventually turns out to be.

[00:03:20] Carl Lanore: [00:03:20] It's very, very sad. So let, let's just talk for a second. About some of the most overt symptoms of, of menopause. We have a picture of a woman fanning herself as the image today. Hot flashing. That seems to be the number one that moves to the front. For women, but there are so many more interrupted sleep and night sweats, cognitive decline, um, lack of energy, uh, uh, and, and some of the worst cases, subjective and overt tremor, they start to shake.

[00:03:55] Uh, we could, we know estrogen is very protective against, uh, neurological [00:04:00] diseases like Parkinson's disease, for instance, uh, it's even even been implicated. In protecting against auto-immunity and why a lot of women start to develop their autoimmune symptoms as they embark and become perimenopausal. W we have all of these overt symptoms that women deal with, right?

[00:04:18] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:04:18] Oh yeah. And you know, hot flashes are tolerated by most women during the day, but where it really gets him as if it wakes him up in the middle of the night. And it turns out that that's a part of a stress response and they also squared out some adrenaline at that time. And that adrenaline hangs out around and they can lie there and not being able to fall back asleep at night with a racing mind.

[00:04:43] And then all you have to do is lose two or three nights of sleep. And that changes life. That's life changing. The other main reasons that women show up. And, um, my, my offices have related to unexplained weight gain. That didn't matter how well they were eating or [00:05:00] how much they were exercising. Those mood disturbances, the changes to vagina libido bladder.

[00:05:07] And then over time, the changes, the, the disruptions get deeper and rougher and more challenging as they lose muscle. That makes them eventually turn to canes walkers. And then that transition time where they transitioned to wheelchairs, they lose the muscle that holds up the bladder. You get sarcopenia that lay urea and I, that supports that bladder.

[00:05:31] And between that and vaginal atrophy, you've got a recipe for a developed diapers. Depends the real deal debilitations occurred to almost all women near the end. There. Their seventies, eighties and nineties, but in the young woman, it's the energy, the mood libido changes the changes to the skin and the appearance.

[00:05:51] And, uh, again, just sleep, sleep, and weight. I would hold those to be the two major reasons why women [00:06:00] consult with physicians.

[00:06:01] Carl Lanore: [00:06:01] So, so let's talk about fat gain specifically for a second. And estrogen. I remember reading a study about six or seven years ago that. Postulated that the reason, uh, peri and postmenopausal women put on a lot of fat body fat is that the body is trying to compensate for the lack of ovarian produced estrogen by increasing stores of aromatase enzyme, which we know lives in fat cells, so that the, the ability for the body to try to upregulate.

[00:06:38] Uh, uh, uh, lipogenesis in order to compensate for the dropping estrogen is the reason now, obviously there is some people say there's other metabolic changes that occur too, but what do you think about that, that, that, that idea that women's bodies start producing fat to S to produce more estrogen?

[00:07:00] [00:07:00] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:07:00] Well, I think it's, I like it.

[00:07:02] I've Lewis. I've heard that one of course. And. Well, here's what we know for certain that testosterone can convert to estradiol, biochemically and testosterone is producing a woman's ovaries primarily, and it's also produced in a woman's adrenals and as the ovarian testosterone shuts down. Um, and yeah, ovarian estrogens totally shut down.

[00:07:30] There is that opportunity to convert. Her testosterone to estradiol. And thus, as you said, bring alive the estrogens to a certain yeah. Extent and yeah. Yeah. There's like you suggested there's other factors at play. I've always thought well, okay, well, this is a woman's body compensating for the loss of one of her most serious hormones.

[00:07:52] She can convert her internal testosterone, Esther dial, but there's direct reasons why women as their hormones [00:08:00] drop start putting on weight. And what happens is there's most hormones are biologically activators. They're very useful in fight or flight. We think of fight or flight being about adrenaline and cortisone.

[00:08:15] And it is, those are at the Vanguard of any stress, biological stress response, but other hormones are beautifully recruited as well. So thus testosterone, the AGA. Ask her Jen is recruiting for the stress response. In fact, when you look at young woman Olympic athletes that are on these rigorous training programs, not many of these women are menstruating their estrogen shooting down the stress pathway it's recruited for that stress rather than for the female functions, they stop men.

[00:08:48] So what happens when a woman loses her estrogen? She no longer has the estrogen. And, or the DHA and testosterone clinic, [00:09:00] great degree to participate in the stress response. So what does she got left adrenaline and cortisol. And so they increase their causes of insulin resistance. That's the recipe for weight gain is the insulin resistance caused by react by the more prominence.

[00:09:17] Of the cortisol reasons for that weight gain from low estrogen, increased cortisol, insulin resistance recipe for weight gain.

[00:09:27] Carl Lanore: [00:09:27] Well, and you just, you just embarked on something else that happens to women that they, they all say this, every woman going through menopause will say, you know, something happens that the dog gets out and they just did.

[00:09:39] They just go right from zero to a hundred and they will inevitably say, you know, I used to be able to handle this stuff so easily. And I just. I don't know why I just can't handle stress anymore. And it's because of what you're saying. I remember reading a study probably 20 years ago that showed that extra dial actually, um, help suppress, uh, adrenaline.

[00:09:59] It, it, [00:10:00] it, it kept you the adrenals kicking in too fast or too hard. So when the body doesn't have enough estrogen and as you're pointing out, most of that estrogen is actually going to try to manage stress. Well, something that would have happened 20 years ago, the kid dropped something on the floor and you would have went out.

[00:10:16] Don't worry, mom, you'll clean that up. Now. It's like, Oh, you sob, you make me crazy. And so women always say that don't they? They say, you know, doc, I just can't handle stress anymore. It

[00:10:25] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:10:25] occurs for both men and women. Interestingly enough, these hormones are at the rock solid base of our feel. Good internal biochemistry.

[00:10:36] Then you start stripping away. These molecules that makes they're so involved in mood. And, um, man, we all get more irritable, less, more frail, more reactive. And just for one example, progesterone is the great calmer. And many women when their progesterone is Mountain's high in [00:11:00] pregnancy, because it does it skyrockets in pregnancy.

[00:11:03] They have a, they spend part of their day in a Buddha, like stay calm, peaceful, relax, like never before. If we were doing Jack the right dose of progesterone, intravenous into any woman or you and I, Carl,

[00:11:22] Carl Lanore: [00:11:22] I know

[00:11:22] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:11:22] we could be put to sleep. At a level, the surgery could be performed on us, but gesture on is a very unique hormone.

[00:11:30] It's a major calmer. Yeah. You just rip that away and yeah, that alone is reason for anxiety. Or the flip side of that is, is I've had women patients say to me, Well, I wasn't able to sleep and you gave me progesterone at bedtime and now I'm sleeping so much. It's better. And wouldn't it. What about if I put some progesterone on during the day?

[00:11:51] W w like that helped me with my anxiousness and my anxiety. And I said, well, I know I said, sure, try it just don't make Reese. [00:12:00] Make sure you don't put on too much. Right. Otherwise, we're going to get sleepy and groggy. You don't want to drive a car. And the women would say to me more than once. Well, I've already tried it.

[00:12:08] It works great.

[00:12:09] Carl Lanore: [00:12:09] I love for just the old, the old forgiveness instead of permission approach. Right. They already tried it. Yeah, that's funny. So since, since we're talking about progesterone, so now let's move to progesterone and estrogen and how they work together. Progesterone and estrogen seem to. Have a direct effect on, uh, blood sugar.

[00:12:30] Um, I dunno, an insulin sensitizing pathway, uh, or some other pathway, and maybe you can elucidate that for us today, but I know that women who suffer from hot flushes or flashes, whatever you want to call them, tend to do much better on a lower carbohydrate diet, uh, because they seem to lose the ability.

[00:12:51] To manage those surges and those drops of blood sugar, their blood sugar to get erratic. And that could even be so according to [00:13:00] dr. Mark Gordon, who is a good friend, years and years ago, we had this conversation. He said, that's why they get hot flashes. If you look at hypoglycemia, what are the symptoms of hypoglycemia sweating?

[00:13:12] Anxiety in severe cases, tremor. Now what happens to women when they start going through menopause, anxiety, sweating, hot flashes, Trevor. And he said that's because they lose that modulatory effect of that nice balance between progesterone and estrogen. What do you think?

[00:13:31] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:13:31] Well, I think there's several interplays there.

[00:13:36] Um, of course the menopausal hot flash. Which I don't necessarily tie into hypoglycemia, um, as a necessary necessity. Um, it seems to me like, um, from a febrile changes occur in menopausal women, irrespective of their blood glucose. Um, they're very stressed.  [00:14:00] gosh, it's very stressful, especially in the middle of the night.

[00:14:03] And like I was saying, it triggers the biology of the stress response. That's adrenaline and cortisol. They're both at the bank that stress response, but both of those are designed to help us fight or flee. And in order to do that, we need some majorly, easily double fuel. We need glucose.

[00:14:26] Carl Lanore: [00:14:26] In

[00:14:26] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:14:26] fact, cortisol is called a glucocorticoid adrenaline raises blood glucose.

[00:14:31] And so they get a hot flash that's stressful. They get a surge of adrenaline of adrenaline. And cortisol that raises the blood group, but it's a bridge artificial situation. They may put up enough insulin to handle what body thinks is a huge meal.

[00:14:48] Carl Lanore: [00:14:48] Oh God. We just had a

[00:14:49] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:14:49] surge of blood glucose and then we must've had a big meal, but there wasn't and there was more insulin put out.

[00:14:56] Then they weren't having a big meal. They were just having a [00:15:00] stress response. They get a plummet of blood glucose after they can't keep up with. The amount of insulin that was put out there. And this is where I think hypoglycemia and the hot flashes and a feather into one another that a woman who's having hot flashes can also get hypoglycemia from the rapid spike of elevation of the glucose and then the fall, because there was Islam put out to handle it.

[00:15:26] There's another two incidents going on here. If you do blood glucose is, um, At least back in the day on most teenagers, you see them and be in the sixties and low seventies, mid seventies. And yet as we grow older, you start seeing that blood glucose start rising, rising mid eighties, get someone in there.

[00:15:48] Fifties. Maybe it's bring it over into the nineties. We're starting to get insulin resistance. All of us are, I mean, in medical school, I was taught given enough time, everyone will become a diabetic. [00:16:00] And so there's a lot of different inner loping changes. There is you start getting into difficulty around the ability to control blood glucose period.

[00:16:12] So I'm sorry to be flogging about it, but I think all of those can come to play. And then you take any individual, a woman, and what's prevailing in her. The main thing that's prevailing is they're getting these hot flashes, they're getting woken up and sleep, or they're having glucose regulating problems for a lot of reasons.

[00:16:31] And they're gaining weight and mood. I'd like to just leave it there for, right.

[00:16:39] Carl Lanore: [00:16:39] Right, right. So there's. I want to phrase this question appropriately, not to be leading the women's health initiative. Did it do good things for hormones and women, or did it do bad things for hormones and women?

[00:16:57] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:16:57] Well, it's still in the bad [00:17:00] face.

[00:17:00] Good. You know? Um, menopause is not a new thing in human history. The Chinese were working with it a thousand years ago. And in the forties, the pharmaceutical manufacturers came up with a way to widespread to produce great quantities of female hormones. They got it through pregnant mirrors and by 2002 40%.

[00:17:28] Of American women in menopause, that's 18 million women were on hormones. And when you talk to these women who are on Premarin and Prempro, primarily there, they have a lot of gratitude that, that helped them quite a

[00:17:44] Carl Lanore: [00:17:44] breath. Right.

[00:17:45] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:17:45] And then a long time, this craziness called the women's health initiative. I use crazy on purpose and it's a study that they announced to the American

[00:17:56] Carl Lanore: [00:17:56] public.

[00:17:57] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:17:57] That women who are on a hormone [00:18:00] are at greater risk for breast cancer, heart attack and stroke. And what's not known to the American public quote yet, if that was inaccurate, they did not have the data to say that they their own study in 2000. And to show that it was statistically insignificant now increase statistically insignificant in science.

[00:18:24] That means there was no. Provable increase. And there was an argument on the original study committee, as it was about to go to public and permanent 30 come in and in your camp publish that there's improved risk. There's no statistical significance to the risk with one of the two arms of the study, the Prempro, but the leader of that committee that too late.

[00:18:47] A JAMA journal of American medical association has already printed this when the press got ahold of it. And it will loaded out into the world. Women and health professionals got horrified that [00:19:00] they were gonna get breast cancer, heart attack or stroke, and it was wrong for mediation. At the time I was treating women in menopause and I was really concerned about it.

[00:19:11] And I dive into that study along with my colleagues in Atlanta. Wait a minute, there's this there's all kinds of problems with it, buddy, but you know, it did, the cats were out of the bag by 2006. The science was in that there was not increased risk. And in 2017, when the journal, the American medical association, the original journal, the original study committee put out a statement, put out an article saying after 18 years of flower women on both permanent Prempro, there is no increase.

[00:19:47] Yes, they retracted. I got a written report, poisoned America. This is best described in a fantastic book called estrogen [00:20:00] matters by an American oncologist, dr. Album blooming. It was the full scientific evidence for how listened to that. Carl, this was what was always true, and it grew to this very day.

[00:20:16] Women who are treated with hormones, no matter what those hormones are, Premarin or Prempro are at less risk for breast cancer, heart attack, and grow and women who go on and what's more women who have had breast cancer and have had that breast cancer treated properly. They do have an increased risk recurrence than a, than a young woman.

[00:20:41] Who'd never had breast cancer. As of getting breast cancer, they have an increased risk of recurrence, but they have less of a risk of recurrent. If they are treated with hormones, when, if they go and treat it, that's the science. How many people know that? These names? How many doctors?

[00:20:57] Carl Lanore: [00:20:57] No one, no one. And doctors ignore it.

[00:20:59] Doctors [00:21:00] ignore this sort of stuff. They just scare their patients away. From even considering hormone replacement therapy. And, you know, I, so I will say this methylated, uh, drugs cause hepatic stress that hepatic stress has been associated with increase in thrombotic index. It's been associated with what the Frank, uh, affects of, of liver damage.

[00:21:24] So when you're looking at, uh, these, uh, uh, pharmaceutical approaches that you do have that. Right. Okay. So, but if you tease that out and you say, well, we're giving bioidenticals, we're using creams, we're using trophies, we're using pellets. There are no modifications to this molecule. This molecule of estrodiol looks exactly as the same as the molecule of estradiol.

[00:21:46] This woman is making the body cannot distinguish between the two, then. How can you argue that extra dial causes all of these problems when young women don't have these problems and they have the highest [00:22:00] estradiol levels that they'll ever have in their twenties and thirties, they should all be getting ovarian cancer, breast cancer, stroke, and all this sort of stuff.

[00:22:08] And they don't, it's almost like, um, you know, I've always said on this show, be a critical thinker when, what you know, to be true. Differs from what you're reading and science go with what you know, to be true because science changes, medicine changes. It's always unfolding. And we, the problem we have. Yeah.

[00:22:32] And I can't blame the doctors because their hands are tied. If they don't approach things from the standard of care, then th th there's litigation, they lose their licenses. They lose everything. But it's really sad because so many women, my sister, my sister was, was on HRT. She was taking Premarin and Prempro.

[00:22:50] She was taking both of them right there. One is progesterone. One is estrogen, and she got that information from the women's initiative. She stopped on her [00:23:00] own. Never went back to her doctor about it. Five years later, she developed. Parkinson's disease. And from all the research I've read, estradiol is protective against Parkinson's disease.

[00:23:12] The early research that they did, there's a Italian doctor in Toronto who did some fantastic studies with rodents, where she infused estrodiol or saline and gave the rodents MPTP, which causes spontaneous Parkinsonism. And the rodents that got the saline, they develop tremors within minutes and hours of getting the MPTP.

[00:23:35] But the other rodents, it was six weeks. They finally stopped. They stopped, they pulled the plug. They never develop Parkinson as it, because the extra dial was protective. And my poor sister and lots of poor women out there got this message and thought, Oh, I'm not going to take this stuff. It's going to give me a heart attack.

[00:23:51] It's going to give me a stroke. It's going to give me all these disorders and, you know, That has to be frustrating as a physician, right? You've gotta be frustrated at stuff like that.

[00:24:01] [00:24:00] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:24:01] Well, I mean, one of my practices is to be aware that I was born in these times and the child, these were challenged times, they're the consciousnesses and all that it could be, and to have a good ride and realize that we are facing lack of.

[00:24:21] Honesty, lack of integrity, lack of golden rule, vested interests, vested, interests, lack of consciousness. So I'm, I'm born into these times and I'm quite willing to, you know, have as much influence on it as I possibly can. But you raise a couple of really crucial points there. I mean, estrogen has long been known to be protective to the brain and very important in brain function.

[00:24:50] And for example, I'm sitting down having lunch with a 65 year old African American physician and her son in Washington, DC. [00:25:00] And she's telling me her story. She, in her mid fifties, she's practicing medicine and she starting not to be able to, I think clearly cognitive challenge is one of those super common variances that women report in early on in menopause.

[00:25:19] And she was saying it started to scare her, but it really started to terrify her because her mother had full blown dementia as her mother's sister full-blown dementia. And here she is losing her ability to keep her practice together and thinking she's going to have to quit. And she started herself on Esther dial.

[00:25:41] And kept on increasing it. And she told me we cleared up. I'm just choosing one example. I

[00:25:47] Carl Lanore: [00:25:47] could

[00:25:47] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:25:47] give so many I'm dealing with someone. Yeah. In a very high up, uh, United States, government, um, advisory board. And who read this? Well, this particular woman is [00:26:00] required to think super clearly and supers scientifically the level of what she engages me in conversations sort of staggered me.

[00:26:09] And she was losing her ability to think, I think clearly. And she thought my career is really challenged here. Put her on a simple hormone program within a month. She's saying thank you. I myself again, right? Um, these hormones are so dramatic and they're so dramatically beneficial in that whole of the whole story you told about the mice and the, I mean, this is well known that estrogen can help prevent dementia and Alzheimer's disease.

[00:26:39] Alzheimer's has got a lot of conflict, a lot of possibilities, but when I think of a woman who's got slipping cognition, the very first thing I turn to is addressing estrogen.

[00:26:50] Carl Lanore: [00:26:50] Yeah, no, I agree. Your website is, is David Rosen, suite md.com. And David is spelled D a V E D R O S E [00:27:00] N S w E T M d.com. If you're watching the show, if you're listening to the show, you want to reach out to dr.

[00:27:06] Rosen. Sweet. You can, if you're a physician and you would like. To be trained to help women and men with their hormones. Please reach out to dr. Rosen sweet, uh, at his website. We're going to take a quick commercial break. We'll be right back with more of super, I guess they took over superheroes. This is this superhuman channel.

[00:27:30] Welcome back. We're talking with dr. David Rosen, sweet with talking about menopause and you know what. I've done so many shows on menopause. And why do I keep doing shows on menopause? Because women still don't have good information on menopause. And the reality is that doctors out there don't have good information.

[00:27:47] If you're ready, GP chances are, you're not going to treat a woman with, uh, with HRT. And there's a lot of gynecologists. I have women who email me who say my [00:28:00] gynecologist said. Don't get on HRT. You're going to get ovarian cancer. You know, you're going to get, I gotta get this. You're going to get that. It's really, it's really sad because women's being influenced to make bad decisions with bad health outcomes.

[00:28:15] And it's, it's, it's startling to me, a lot of I'm in a told to turn to natural black cohosh, you know, uh, uh, these different oils and these different supplements. And my attitude is. You aren't deficient in those you're deficient in estrogen and progesterone and some testosterone and maybe a little TA, why would you want to take these plant based?

[00:28:38] Oh, Hey, what do you think about these natural alternatives? Dr. Rosenstein?

[00:28:44] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:28:44] Well, although there are situations that I think herbs and supplements are

[00:28:51] Carl Lanore: [00:28:51] great supportive

[00:28:53] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:28:53] to any treatment program. I would say no. For menopause [00:29:00] what's the, the issue is, is that there are molecules or responds in a woman's body that once were robust and now they're low and you've got the exact same molecule to replenish those hormones.

[00:29:14] And you don't have to take them up to useful levels. It's not necessary, but we know the target zone for where those hormones to. And I would say absolutely not. Um, yeah, this is an instance where you want to give the woman's body, what the woman's body is missing, and you don't want to try and do work around that.

[00:29:36] And not only that, I don't hear these fabulous reports about how these multitude of remedies really address what's going on, especially over the long run, especially for loss of muscle loss, the bone loss of thinking clearly. Um, I don't get it. So, and the changes are stolen.

[00:30:00] [00:30:00] Carl Lanore: [00:30:00] Dr. Dale Bredesen

[00:30:02] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:30:02] should hold there to be a scientific experiment, should work around to try workarounds. I think she ought to try what her body really loves. And you know what else Carl is when you do. A rigorous program to get a woman right. In the perfect zone for her. They love

[00:30:21] Carl Lanore: [00:30:21] it. Yeah,

[00:30:23] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:30:23] absolutely love.

[00:30:24] They feel like they've gotten their life back, their sleep back, their energy, their mood, their libido, their thinking. And what they don't even know is they're getting their bones preserved. They're getting their muscles preserved, but you don't, this isn't rocket surgery. You've talked to a woman who's been treated properly and she is one of the biggest fans of anything or gathering, run into.

[00:30:45] Because it gives her without much intervention with just taking a few identical molecules. She feels terrific again. And what she doesn't know is how deep that replacement goes, protect your brain or bone or arteries. [00:31:00] For vagina or bladder to keep her walking and talking and playing with her grandchildren and being able to get down on the floor or climb a flight of steps and then think clearly in play Mahjong or whatever into our elder years.

[00:31:15] And most of all, it's the longterm. What's the best way to stay out of assisted living and depends and nursing homes. It's these hormones. There's nothing like them on the world to leverage.

[00:31:27] Carl Lanore: [00:31:27] Right.

[00:31:28] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:31:28] Staying at home, happy, living, healthy, being a great, great grandmother and really enjoying the ride.

[00:31:36] Carl Lanore: [00:31:36] Dr. Dale Bredesen, who published a fantastic book called the end of Alzheimer's has been on my show a few times.

[00:31:43] He came on the very first time after he treated 20 patients, uh, at UCLA. And he wasn't allowed to say he reversed Alzheimer's disease because. There's no test for Alzheimer's disease, but he reversed all the symptoms. And [00:32:00] one of the things that he will not budge on that if someone wants to use it, she's protocol is HRT, right?

[00:32:06] Men and women, and he explains this. He explains how they protect against the different types. Of Alzheimer's disease or dementia that we have wet, dry, inflammatory, so on and so forth. And the, you spoke a moment ago about, uh, estrogen being very, very protective of the brain. Well, everyone loves to talk about inflammation.

[00:32:28] They love to say how Oh, inflammation is implicated in every disease state. And that's true. It actual, what they failed to talk about is that through a receptor called FAF fibroblasts activation factor, the extra dial molecule docs in it and activates it. We see this in blunt force trauma. You're in a car, your head hits the windshield.

[00:32:53] The brain starts to swell immediately. The brain has aromatase enzyme in it. The aromatase enzyme starts to aromatase [00:33:00] androgens and produce extra dial. And Esther dye all stops. The inflammation pushes it back down, stops it. You, you can't talk about inflammatory disorders in women. And then at the same time, say don't take black cohosts.

[00:33:14] You don't need after dial.

[00:33:20] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:33:20] Yeah. I mean, I have, I think we might be frozen. Can you hear me? I can

[00:33:24] Carl Lanore: [00:33:24] hear you now. You were frozen for a nanosecond. It was good.

[00:33:27] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:33:27] Yeah. I mean, I have tremendous respect for dr. Bredesen and I've definitely read his book in great detail. And, uh, yeah, to not lead with these neuroprotective neuro thriving biochemicals, and as you were mentioning trauma, there are many human beings who have a trauma to the head.

[00:33:47] And one of the things they're given is large doses of progesterone. You had another home. Oh, very common. Treatment these days, but you've said it, [00:34:00] Carl, I mean these magical hormones, they have a widespread influence off hormones. Do thyroid hormone, adrenal hormones, ovarian hormones.  these are the most powerful bio chemicals in our body.

[00:34:14] And you can look everywhere in our body and you guys see beneficial impact

[00:34:17] Carl Lanore: [00:34:17] there. So the other thing that is fascinating today, two areas I want to talk about the first is the microbiome. So we're all fascinated by the microbiome it's emerging. Do what, what we know about it is limited, but it's exciting.

[00:34:31] Well, one of the things that I've learned on the show by doing numerous individual interviews with numerous scientists who published studies, is that. Sex hormones influence microbiome diversity. So for instance, um, Astra dye all influences a microbiome. The gut called El Rytary El rotary is closely tied to the production of oxytocin [00:35:00] when L Rotarians high oxytocin levels of hive.

[00:35:03] Now we know that women, as they go through menopause, it's often said by their husbands and their families, that they lose the ability to be empathetic. They just don't have the patience. They don't have that, that bonding feeling anymore. They don't have that loving feeling anymore. And we know that oxytocin is the peptide hormone that is responsible for that phenomenon.

[00:35:23] But a more recent study we just talked about last month showed that giving. Of female rodents, oxytocin, increased bone mineralization. It actually reversed. Osteo paralysis and osteopenia. So when you look at this, when you look at this matrix, there's harmony, that's in the body and you, and you say, Oh, well, we can live without that one thing, we failed to realize the downstream cascade of events that change and, and, and estradiol testosterone, progesterone affect the microbiome.

[00:35:58] And we know that as we get older, our [00:36:00] guts give us problems. It could just be as simple as replacing hormones to get your gut back in shape.

[00:36:07] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:36:07] Well, there, there is an, a very important relationship and you're pointing out one of them and it's really, everything's got to work in the human body reasonably well. And that gut you're bringing up the big subject that I think you've probably been so deep into for so many years, the importance of the intestinal track and the critters that live there end and yeah, there's a symbiosis with

[00:36:29] Carl Lanore: [00:36:29] estrogen.

[00:36:31] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:36:31] The estrogen excretions through the liver X estrogen arrival, and the gut estrogen interaction with the gut biome, the dissociation and recycling of vessels estrogen through the breaking up of one of its binding sites. I mean, these, you want to believe in the divine, just study the human body and that intricacy, um, that's involved there.

[00:36:56] And the main thing is keep all these working parts in order. Keep 'em [00:37:00] reasonable. We're living a lot longer now. And if you want to, uh, I think that story about oxytocin is absolutely fascinating. You want to give these chance all of our body give, give us the good stuff that's going to keep the big functions happening.

[00:37:16] That is a gross way to look at it.

[00:37:18] Carl Lanore: [00:37:18] When, when, uh, when women come to you, uh, and they are, uh, want to talk about hormone replacement therapy. But they seem apprehensive because of the overwhelming amount of negative information out there, unfairly negative information out there. Do you, do you just show them the science and let them make their own decisions or do you try to convince them

[00:37:44] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:37:44] excellent question.

[00:37:47] And we have a very rigorous program that's a to Z and imperative for, um, All the doctors that I train is that during the first visit, the physician or nurse practitioner brings up this very [00:38:00] topic, because I can tell you this girl in 25 years of working with women, I can't think a single woman who hasn't shown up in that first visit after 2002, that wasn't afraid she was going to get breast cancer.

[00:38:13] She did the hormones, so we proactive bring up the subject. And here's what I've learned after all the years. If myself, as a doctor, Or the doctors that I train, we know in our bones that call it at risk for all kinds of diagnoses. We're all at risk for cancers. Men have an increased risk propensity for prostate cancer.

[00:38:36] Women have an increased risk for breast cancer were very significant reasons. But given that what we know about the science is that women who are treated with hormones who are at less risk, like I was saying, and what I find my patients want. And I want the doctors to have is that I know in my bones that that's the science.

[00:39:01] [00:39:00] Because I have been, I have bagged deep into that science and these days it's really easy to come by one single book. It's this one over my shoulder here. Right, right there. Estrogen matters. We'll give any physician or nurse practitioner. More signs than they can handle to show, Oh, the women treated with hormones are at less risk, but your question was this, what do we do?

[00:39:25] What I find is what the woman wants. If she doesn't need to go to medical school, she doesn't need a long dissertation. She needs to get a sense that you trust me. And she gets a sense that I know in my bones, through my research, that she's at less risk. And once I make those three statements to her and I tell her, this has been a subject of great interest.

[00:39:48] I know the science behind this one, and this is it. You're less risk speed with almost no matter what you've heard now, a woman after hearing that from me. It's a little nervous. [00:40:00] My objective is not to get her out of the office with hormones. My objective is to respect that discomfort. And I'll say to her, well, listen, I can point you.

[00:40:09] Maybe. Why don't we take there's no emergency here,

[00:40:12] Carl Lanore: [00:40:12] right?

[00:40:13] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:40:13] Why don't you take your time and get some more input, get some more opinions. And here's some books to read and you'll become, you'll learn more about it yourself. And then I want you to make the decision that feels right to you. No matter what your intuition is, right?

[00:40:28] Because there is a risk of breast cancer and some of these women, it takes 10 to 15 years. To develop breast cancer. Some of these women might have some intuition that I just don't want to do it. So in any way we respect the women and here's what happens most of the time the symptoms get worse, they get more motivated.

[00:40:47] They've done the research, they come back and they really want it. It's not a hundred percent, but we don't try and skew them towards. Just, [00:41:00] um, not, not, not really not listening to their own resistance. That's right. We want them to respect their own intuition and arrive at their choice on their own, because we do not want a woman applying hormones to our body twice a day, rubbing on her arms, thinking I'm doing this hormone, but I might get breast cancer.

[00:41:19] We don't want that. Yeah. So we go on of our way. We'll help them with that subject of risk.

[00:41:25] Carl Lanore: [00:41:25] Uh, we're going to take our last commercial break. Let's give people the website again, if you want to reach out to dr. Roden sweet it's David D a V E D Rosen. Sweet M d.com. When we come back, we're going to talk about his book.

[00:41:38] And also I want to talk about the fact that getting on HR T doesn't mitigate the damage. You do your body with a bad lifestyle. I want to make sure that people understand this because I have a cousin. I have a cousin. That went through this. And I had an argument with her. We're going to talk about that.

[00:41:56] When we come back then later in the show, after dr. Rose's sweet leaves, I'm going to [00:42:00] tell you why. Hi, I have been fascinated with menopause for so long because was back in 2002, when I was using a lot of performance enhancing drugs and powerlifting, I actually went through menopause and it was horrible.

[00:42:12] Stay tuned. We'll be right back. Spit that out right now. This is the superhuman channel

[00:42:29] talking with dr. David Rosen. Sweet. We're talking about menopause. Uh, real quick. I'm going to put this up. I just found this out. Dr. Rosen. Sweet said anybody who goes to the website, menopause method.com. You can download a free copy of his book. Happy, healthy hormones, how to thrive in menopause. Doesn't get any better than that.

[00:42:49] Free is great stuff right there. So check that out again. It's menopause method.com. Download the free PDF of his book. Thank you so much for doing that. Dr. Rosen.

[00:43:00] [00:43:00] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:43:00] So excuse me for a minute, Carl. What they actually have to do is just send us an email through This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it., which is in contact us and give us your email address and we'll email it to you.

[00:43:12] Carl Lanore: [00:43:12] Okay. There you go. There you go. So, um, the other thing that I want to mention is that a lot of women, uh, maybe lulled into thinking that if they get on HRT, they can continue to live a crappy lifestyle and HRT won't protect you. Uh, there are a lot of women out there who will blame their breast cancer, um, or some other malady on their HRT.

[00:43:41] When you look at them, you see they're grossly obese. They don't sleep. They eat horrible choices in foods. They don't exercise. So HRT, isn't going to make you Bulletproof. It's not going to make you indestructable. In fact, if you are living a crappy, that there's a responsibility that comes when, back in the [00:44:00] day.

[00:44:00] And funny, I'm going to talk about this later. You know, when I was using lots of performance enhancing drugs, there was a responsibility to train right sleep, right. Eat right? Because you, you, you will, you're putting your body under great stresses and you owed it to yourself to, to squeeze every single bit of performance enhancement out of that, as you could.

[00:44:19] And kind of similar statement, I would say to women, if you get on HRT, it's not going to protect you against the horrible lifestyle. You still have to get your lifestyle straightened out. You'll just make better progress. What do you think of that statement?

[00:44:33] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:44:33] Yeah, a hundred percent. I don't have anything to add.

[00:44:36] Really, any illness that anyone ever gets, including cancer has thousands of preceding factors. A thousand times where you ate the wrong food and it was gave you a rough time where it compromised your immune system, where it changed your intestinal, flora and change your immune system or stress, knock your immune system off [00:45:00] kilter, where you ate a diet where you didn't exercise,

[00:45:04] Carl Lanore: [00:45:04] you

[00:45:04] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:45:04] know, all the ravages of that.

[00:45:06] And he's thousands of impacts or what the cross illnesses, including cancer. It's not natural hormones. Your body loves harmless. And like you pointed out earlier, young women have tremendously high. So do young men? No, but are those adversities that add up? And so it does it. I just agree with you a hundred percent.

[00:45:25] I probably shouldn't have said anything. Carl, you named it.

[00:45:28] Carl Lanore: [00:45:28] What about alcohol? A lot of physicians when women start going through menopause, they tell the woman, well, just have a glass of wine in the evening. It'll help you sleep, which is not true. It'll make you sleepy, but it won't help you sleep. Um, and then sometimes women take that too far.

[00:45:43] I know friends who say their wives drink an entire bottle of wine every single night there. And basically self-medicating. What about physicians that tell their female patients just, just have a glass of wine. Enjoy your life.

[00:45:56] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:45:56] Well, I think anyone who's paid attention to their health and, or has [00:46:00] had a major healing to do, or even a moderate healing to do comes to the conclusion that man, we got to really reduce stuff that's challenging to us.

[00:46:09] And alcohol is challenging and I can't get around that, but I do well with a glass of wine or a beer one maybe once a week.

[00:46:21] Carl Lanore: [00:46:21] Right.

[00:46:22] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:46:22] But I started getting it up to twice a week. I'm 78. And I can tell you, you, you want to take care of yourself and I know people's livers. I know how they process all the stuff they have to process.

[00:46:36] I think it's a total method. We can drink alcohol every day. I can't believe people who drink alcohol day. I'm not trying to judge them for it. I'm just looking at the perspective of if you've got healing to do and we all do, and you want to live long and strong. A glass of wine a week, maybe two, two would be stretching it a bit.

[00:46:58] Carl Lanore: [00:46:58] I'm I'm on your team with [00:47:00] that. In fact, I say to people, when they try to convince me that this study said, this is wine is good. And this study said two ounces of alcohol a day, a good, because it's hermetic. I say, well, it's so good. Give it to your dog, give it to your baby. No, they won't do that. Well, he must not be good if you don't, won't give it to your dog and you won't give it to your baby.

[00:47:18] So yeah, dude, look, I I'm Italian and, and if I go out to dinner, there's this whole ritual and an alcohol is included in it, but I feel horrible for days afterwards. And I know that it can't be good for me. Hell alcohol is a neurotoxin, so it was mercury. You know, the alcohol intoxicates, the word is used because it's toxic to the GABA receptors of the brain.

[00:47:45] That's why you get bleary headed. I mean, if I hit you in the head with a hammer and you will wobble and you, would you say, man, that's great. I got a good buzz. Now hit me again. No, you wouldn't say that. But yet, somehow alcohol bypasses all critical thinking for some reason, I don't know why. [00:48:00] Talk about your book.

[00:48:02] Your book has been out for awhile and I'm going to put this back up here. So people know how to get a free copy of it. They go to menopause method.com. Uh, they have to send an email through the website and then you'll request their email. You'll get the email addresses and request the book and they'll send it back.

[00:48:18] Talk about the book it's been out for a while. Doctors turn to it, but patients can read this too, right? This will help people as

[00:48:24] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:48:24] well. Well, this was, I designed this one for patients. We have a very special online rigorous 13 hour course for doctors and nurse practitioners. This is the site designed for patients, and I originally did it because I knew about individualization and women.

[00:48:41] And I had a sense that women were going to arrive at the best balanced and best dose. If they knew certain things about the process of dose determination. And I needed them in the beginning to partner with them because the hormones were going in for their body and they had an internal [00:49:00] sense of what it felt right.

[00:49:01] And when it didn't. So I decided to give them enough knowledge that they could be real good determiners. Of the optimal dose and balance of each of the four hormone. And then of course we have the great advantage of being able to do accurate testing on them, to finalize and tweak those dosages. And then I find that a lot of women, they really like to understand what's going on.

[00:49:24] There is a big decision they'd like to know what's happening. And so I wrote it for them and this is its fifth edition actually. And I'm very, I'm very proud of it. I love it. Cool. I think, and women tend to love it as well. So I think a woman going into menopause and form is a better way to go because we're talking about 30, 40 years of treatment here.

[00:49:49] You want to get this one, right? You want to understand certain things about it. But the bottom line is you need to so align with a professional who also knows their [00:50:00] stuff. And bottom line, the women don't have to know the silence, but what they do have to do is they have to connect with a healthcare provider that really understands a lot about manifesto.

[00:50:12] They can get that right. They can get the proper dose, the proper balance, the proper testing, the proper follow up. So the book is fun. The book is great. The book is useful, but the main thing they need is someone who really knows what they're doing. Very good.

[00:50:27] Carl Lanore: [00:50:27] That's great.

[00:50:28] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:50:28] That's all I spend. My days. I spend 80% of my time training and mentoring physicians and nurse practitioners.

[00:50:35] How to get great at this, how to specialize in this.

[00:50:38] Carl Lanore: [00:50:38] That's wonderful. Dr. Rosen. Sweet. I want to thank you so much for making time to come on the show.

[00:50:46] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:50:46] It's a pleasure to meet you and to hang out with you.

[00:50:49] Carl Lanore: [00:50:49] Same, same, same, same as you. I think, I think we did a good, good interview today and I think we're going to help some women. Thank you so much for being here. You have a wonderful weekend. Okay.

[00:50:58] Dr. Daved Rosensweet, MD: [00:50:58] Take care.

[00:50:58] Carl Lanore: [00:50:58] Bye bye. Uh, [00:51:00] so, uh, we're going to take a quick commercial break.

[00:51:02] When we come back, I'm going to tell you a story about Carla Knorr in 2002. When I actually felt what it feels like to go through menopause, I'm not lying to you. This I hadn't planned on telling this story, but I think it's worthwhile because I it's why I say, if men went through menopause, They would treat it differently.

[00:51:22] Stay. I think some of you will find this an interesting story and some of you will probably just tune out. So back in 2002, I was experimenting with lots of different performance enhancing drugs. I was using a fairly high doses of trend Balone, um, testosterone. And I started to play around with the Roman taste inhibitors because I heard that, you know, like everybody, Oh, they dry more dry muscle, right?

[00:51:56] You're going to lose body fat. You're going to lose water. You're going to look lean. Are [00:52:00] you going to look sh sh sh stri aided and ripped. And so I started using some pretty strong aromatase inhibitors that were available, not by prescription. ATD, which many of you who remember ATD know that it was hard?

[00:52:18] It was very strong. It was a suicide inhibitor. It attached itself to the aromatase enzyme and it stayed there and it was probably stronger milligram for milligram. Well, maybe not, but it was strong. The doses that I was taking, it was stronger than anastrozole. And so, um, I was doing great. I was getting strong.

[00:52:40] I was getting muscular. I was losing weight. Cause don't forget. Back then. It was all about losing the body fat that I had accumulated and getting strong and it was working. Everything was working, everything was clicking along. I was sleeping. Well, everything was fantastic until it wasn't and it literally wasn't in like a day.

[00:52:59] I remember going [00:53:00] to sleep one night. And waking up in the morning and thinking, man, I didn't even move in my sleep that night. I must have slept so good. Then that night I remember it was like yesterday that night I went to sleep just like I always did. And about an hour and a half after I went to sleep, I woke up, but I woke up and like a panic attack.

[00:53:22] I was like, I just felt bad. I didn't know what was it? Wasn't I remember getting out of bed. I couldn't get back to sleep. I went downstairs and I had young children at the time. My youngest daughter was still a baby, not a baby. She was probably like eight or nine years old at the time and two older children and in middle school.

[00:53:40] And so, um, I didn't think anything of it. I was like, okay, so one bad night, you know, and I got up with the kids in the morning, so I was already up, the kids got up, I got them ready for school. I drove them to school. I went to the gym and trained, of course I did a bunch of caffeine to get through the fact that I didn't sleep.

[00:53:58] But then that night [00:54:00] again, it happened again. I went to sleep. I was sleeping on an hour and a half. I woke up and I was like, like freaked out. I couldn't figure out what was wrong with me. I'm like, why am I, am I dying? Something's wrong with me? And then this happened every night. So that's how it started after it happened enough nights, I started to become angst-ridden about going to sleep.

[00:54:23] Like it's horrible to feel this way. Like, I can't believe now I'm going to go to sleep. I'm going to be up in an hour and a half. And I was taking GABA. I didn't have volume available at that point in time, but I was taking GABA. I was taking melatonin and. It progressively got worse over the next weeks and months, I started to develop subject subjective tremor.

[00:54:48] I felt like my body was vibrating. I remember telling a friend of mine. I felt like somebody stuck a vibrator up my butt and my whole body was just vibrating, but no one touched anyone because I went to the doctors. I [00:55:00] said, I feel like my body is shaking and he touched me. He goes, you're not shaking. I says, ah, you don't feel that tremor.

[00:55:06] And he says, no, I don't feel anything. That's called subjective tremor. You feel it. But other people can't, it's not overt where the muscles actually undulating. Then the anxiety got worse and worse and worse. I was working for a company and traveling every week on business. I remember going to Baltimore to see a co a client and.

[00:55:28] The anxiety was horrible. I had, I developed this anxiety. It was just like, and then I did go to the doctor and I got, I got, he gave me value, you know, he gave me a lorazepam out of van. He gave me out of van. I was taking a half a milligram of Adavan as I, as I needed it, he told me. So I remember I was in a parking lot.

[00:55:46] I had, I had, I was in a hotel. I got in, I got in my car. I'm suffered from anxiety. It's really freaking me out. Drive it to the appointment. As I am driving to the appointment, I'm going through [00:56:00] the technical stuff I'm going to have to talk about. Cause I was in the alarm business back then I was selling Mmm.

[00:56:06] 30 devices, electronic security devices made by a very, very wonderful company in Israel. And um, when I got to the guy's parking lot, I was like, I can't go in there. Like I'm so freaking nervous. I don't know what's wrong with me. I, I, I literally called the guy from my cell phone and I was about to tell him that I can't make it I'm in his parking lot.

[00:56:34] I was about to lie to him and say like, I got em in traffic, I got a late start, blah, blah, blah. You know, can we move the appointment to tomorrow? Cause I was going to be in, in Baltimore all week. And he answered for some reason. I said, Hey, I'll be up in a minute. And I hung up and I went upstairs the whole time.

[00:56:53] I'm in the appointment. I'm in the back of my mind. I'm thinking, is this guy, can this guy tell him, does my face look weird? [00:57:00] And I got through the appointment. And so. I started to develop what it considered hot flashes. I like, I would just start sweating and my body would get hot and like red my chest, my face.

[00:57:15] And I would just stop burning and it would last for maybe 10 minutes real time. And then it would go away and it's true. Like you freak out. You're like, what's wrong with me? Why am I, why am I feeling like this? Why am I, why is my body burning up right now? So when I got home from that trip in Baltimore, I decided to find answers on my own.

[00:57:37] Cause I wasn't sleeping. I was up all night. I used to call myself the ghost. I used to say to my ex wife, I'm haunting the house because I would go to sleep an hour and a half later I'd wake up and then I'd stay up all night until everybody else got up. So everybody's sleeping soundly. I go walk through the halls.

[00:57:52] I'd look in the door. My son Chase's sleeping. I look into door. My door to tail is sleeping. Sidney was little, she was in her little bed. [00:58:00] Everybody's sleeping, but I'm the ghost. I'm haunting the house. That's what I say. So I started Googling my symptoms, so I don't even think they had Google back then. I I'm trying to think who the search engine of choice was back in 2002, but, um, I'm looking for, maybe it was Yahoo.

[00:58:18] Mmm. I'm looking, I'm putting my symptoms in right. Tra subjective because my doctor told me it was called subjective tremor, subjective tremor anxiety. Um, of course I was depressed, you know, I'm not like, Hey, this is really great. I'm sick, you know, uh, uh, depression, uh, uh, um, and, and Somnia. And inevitably every time I would put the list of, of, of symptoms that I was experiencing into the search engine, I would end up at a women's menopause website.

[00:58:58] So I thought, okay, I'm going to give this a [00:59:00] try. I'm going to start posting. And so back then on the boards, I was tri-sector. So I just use tri-sector and it was called power surge. I think the website is still out there and power surge of a website is where women go, who have menopause, who have bad symptoms to share information and share their stories.

[00:59:23] And I lurked. I worked for a long, long time. Cause I'm like, I'm a dude, like I'm not gonna post anything. But then when I started to understand what was going on with my body and I understood that I crashed my heart, my endocrine system is what I did, but more, more importantly, I suppressed, uh, extra dial.

[00:59:44] I started to understand what I was doing. I started understanding what I needed to do. I tried PCT. It didn't work. I had to get back onto stop and I got back my testosterone and my hormones started to stabilize more importantly, my estrodiol started to come up. I [01:00:00] started to feel better. I started to sleep again.

[01:00:03] A lot of the symptoms started to go away and I started to experiment with low carb diets at that time, because I noticed that like, if I ate, uh, uh, So when I started to do low carb, I noticed I was able to sleep longer at night. And I also noticed that the hot flush like just started going away. And then I was on business in, uh, Connecticut.

[01:00:29] And we went out to dinner with clients and I ate like a big piece of chocolate cake and I went. Back to the room that night. And I went to sleep and I woke up and bam, it was back. It was like bad, bad, bad anxiety, bad with it. And so then I started to put two and two together, like eating sugar and carbs before bed.

[01:00:47] No good because I would have this rebound, like the doctor was just talking about insulin would come out too hard and I'd be hypoglycemic. And I had the anxiety written and I'd have the tremors again. And [01:01:00] I remember one night. I got so sick. I woke up, I not only had the tremors so bad, this is before I started making the connection to diet and stuff like that.

[01:01:10] But I was freezing. So I took my body temperature. My body temperature was like 95 point something. I drove myself to the emergency room room at Baptist hospital. And when I got there, my body temperature was cold and they, they put me in, I went into the ER, they put me in a room for observation doctors coming in and asking me questions.

[01:01:31] Of course I was stupid and was honest back then. Well, I was using performance, you know, I didn't say performance. I was using trend bologne and all this other stuff. And that's in my record now, obviously, and after being in the ER for about five or six hours, my body temperature stabilized and went back to like 97.9 or something like that.

[01:01:48] And they said, well, you're fine. Now you can go home. And I went home, but. I woke up more than a few times in the middle of the night with such bad anxiety that I was contemplating driving myself to the hospital. This particular [01:02:00] time I did it because my body temperature was so low. And I thought maybe I'm dying.

[01:02:05] These are the things that hormone imbalances can do. That's why when doctors say to women, we'll go through menopause, it's all in your head. I'd like to punch them in their mouth. I really would because I went through menopause. I know what it's like. It freaks you out. Your life is derailed. You become unproductive.

[01:02:24] All you can think about is how bad you feel. That's all you can think about. It's always not in the back of your mind. It's in the front of your mind. Your life is in the back of your mind. Working is in the back of your mind. The front of your mind is what am I going to do to fix this? How do I fix this?

[01:02:40] How do I regain my control of my life again? How do I regain normalcy? So. And that's why I always say, if men want to through menopause, they wouldn't tell women that things that they tell them when they go through menopause, because they realize that it's not in your head. It's not like, Oh yeah, you're going through [01:03:00] menopause.

[01:03:00] Just get used to it. Like no mother effer, this is nothing to get used to. You try getting used to it. And so, yeah, it's probably why I have a special spot in my heart for women who are going through menopause and struggling with it because. Once you experience the life altering effects, the fear, the anxiety, the debilitation.

[01:03:26] Yeah. I like that. The willingness to grasp onto anything that you think will help you. And that's why there's so many charlatans out there pushing garbage supplements at women who are going through menopause and they buy it all like, okay, give it to me. I'll try it. Anything that'll make me feel better.

[01:03:44] If you experienced that, there's no denying that it's not the new normal, it's not something that women should just get used to. They shouldn't. And like I said, at the beginning of this discussion, if men went through menopause, we wouldn't tell women that thing. We [01:04:00] tell them the things we tell them and we would treat it.

[01:04:02] We would treat it because men, if a, you know, if a woman is taking care of kids and she feels like crap, you know, I mean, the kids are not going to be treated as well, but the guy can't go to work now, all of a sudden, yeah, we have no income. We'll get to lose our house. That's why, if men went through menopause, you'd see how quickly doctors would be treating them.

[01:04:21] And they'd be treating them with hormones, even if there was risks, because let's be honest, 90% of the drugs, doctors prescribe there are harmful risks associated with them. Why they've decided hormones aren't worth the, uh, the risk. I have no idea. But I just wanted to share that story with you. If you know somebody who's going through menopause understand that it is a horrible, horrible life altering event, have some empathy work on helping them and for women who are going through these things and people, your friends are telling me, Oh, cause you got women out there that say, Oh, it didn't bother me at all.

[01:04:57] I think that more, the more lean a woman is [01:05:00] the harder it is to go through menopause because their body's not making any residual. Um, estrogen and fat cells at all. So they tend to suffer the most. I think lean women suffer the most going through menopause, uh, women who have a lot of body fat, they'll say like, I haven't even noticed anything.

[01:05:15] Everything was great. And it's because their body was producing a extra dial in the aromatase, a capacity of fat cells. But if menopause, this is tough for you. Don't listen to your friends who go. Oh, I went through menopause. It's no big deal. You know what? That may be. You, maybe you like skydiving. I don't, you know, everybody's different.

[01:05:41] Thank you, Sarah. Thank you very much. Sarah is a wonderful person who helped me when my mother was in the nursing home and her home was being foreclosed on. Uh, Sarah helped us get out of a very, very tough situation and she will forever be a good friend of mine. And so is her husband, John who owned my favorite diner.

[01:06:00] [01:06:00] Uh, in, uh, in Arizona, in Tempe. So let's see, we have other questions. Oh, I'm so grateful. You've Oh, this is so wonderful. Yeah, it makes me a little emotional. Could you recommend the holistic doctor? I don't think you should be looking for holistic doctors. I should think you should be looking for doctors who treat.

[01:06:23] Reach out to the good doctor I had on the first part of the show today. Reach out to dr. David. Sweet. Um, I'm sorry, Rosen. Sweet. Um, he's got two websites. I'll put them up real quick. Hold on a second. This is just easier if I just do this. So his first website is where you can go get his book for free menopause method.com.

[01:06:42] You have to email him through the customer service, uh, um, app. And they will send you a copy of the book. He's primary website is David D a V E D Rosen, sweet md.com. He spent his life [01:07:00] helping women who are going through menopause. So I would, I would start with him. He's a good doctor, but there's lots of other good doctors.

[01:07:07] If you PM me, uh, where you live, there may be a doctor that I. Uh, no of that. I can send you an email address directly. Let's see, I'll read the rest of it. I've tried Western docs and they just give me, uh, just put it up, you know, my age prescription. Yeah. Now you just need HR tech. I really do. If you're going through, if you're going through menopause, you need HRT.

[01:07:32] Uh, indigenous tribes do not go into menopause until their seventies. I believe that there's no doubt in my mind that menopause has become a disease of modernity, because I thought about that, I thought about like, what did we do? Like a half a million years ago when women went through menopause, this wouldn't have happened.

[01:07:50] So we can probably blame, let's say premature menopause. We could probably blame on. [01:08:00] Our environment, our diet, our stress levels, and our abandonment of the importance of sleep. Look, staying up late at night, makes young girls go through precocious puberty. We know this melatonin crashes, puberty comes on.

[01:08:21] girls' thoughts. Budding nipples. They start having hair on their, their little vaginas and they're only nine and 10 years old. Why? Because they stay up late at night on their iPhones and watching TV. We know this, this is, this is a phenomenon that's very, very well understood in the science. So I agree. I agree with you.

[01:08:37] A thousand percent, most women would probably go through menopause much later in life if it wasn't for the modern life style and that encompasses everything. Thank you very much. Thank you for saying that. Yeah. I mean, I had so many women on those. Um, I still get emails from people from women on the power surge forums [01:09:00] asking me questions about posts I made.

[01:09:02] Once I started to unwind where the symptoms were coming from, especially hot flashes and anxiety, but yeah, it's very sad. It's very sad that women are discarded. Very sad. All right. That's it for today? I'm off tomorrow and Monday. It's a long weekend. I hope all of you have a wonderful weekend. And I ask that you share this show, uh, so that we can help other people.

[01:09:24] Have a wonderful weekend. We'll see you next week. Thanks for watching and listening. .