[00:00:00] Carl Lanore: [00:00:00] hey, Hey, welcome back to another episode of super human radio. Today is September 30th, 2020. The month is coming to an end. The year is coming to an end and a lot of us feel good that 2020 is coming to an end. To be honest with you. Uh, this is a long awaited show. I should've had this guy on my show years ago, but you know how things happen and people are moving in different direction.

[00:00:22] John Meadows is going to join us in a minute for, uh, an episode of mussel saves lives. Uh, before we do that, I have to thank my title sponsor, legendary food. The website is eat legendary.com. The code is SHR 10 to get 10% off everything you ordered there. And if you are a low carb, low sugar, high protein person, uh, you're going to find great snacks, especially check out tasty pastry.

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[00:01:02] And of course, feel free to post your questions. If you're watching on YouTube live right now, uh, for John and we'll do our best to work them into the discussion and get them answered. And now with further delay, welcome to the show, John Meadows, how are you?

[00:01:16] John Meadows: [00:01:16] I'm good. Thanks for having me. Neil got to be here.

[00:01:19] Carl Lanore: [00:01:19] It's wonderful. And like I said, I see you at the Arnold. We always say, Oh, we got to do a show. We gotta do a show, but you're a busy guy. Uh, you, you have a huge following, uh, and I attribute your following to the fact that you are, uh, who you appear to be. Uh, you're very honest, but more importantly, you, you are a true warrior when it, it comes to training and that's, that's part of the discussion we're going to have today.

[00:01:44] Um, I want to talk about what happened in may, but I really, for those in my audience that maybe aren't big, you know, you know, my, my show is based on physical culture. Right. And bodybuilding is a faction of physical culture. [00:02:00] Um, for those who don't know really, uh, you, you, you had your challenges, uh, and you've been taken down by some health problems over the years.

[00:02:09] Haven't you just start with the, some of the, what was the first event that really kind of derailed you for a while?

[00:02:17] John Meadows: [00:02:17] I only reached five foot six, and I also want to be a lot taller with problem number one.

[00:02:22] Carl Lanore: [00:02:22] Yeah. But that, that benefits you in bodybuilding, doesn't it, right?

[00:02:26] John Meadows: [00:02:26] Yeah. But I wanted to be a pro football player, so I had to change my change by a direction there.

[00:02:31] Okay. Well, so include thousand and five, I had what turned out to be a condition called idiopathic myo intimal hyperplasia, the mesenteric vein. It was a really. Rare and unique issue that I had that basically caused the vein and the, a mesenteric vein and the sigmoid part of my colon to, to a rupture and almost bled to death.

[00:02:54] Luckily I was in the hospital in half. Yeah. And they're saying to me, something really odd about [00:03:00] my blood. Um, they did a lot of that test and everything. Anyways, long story short, I had my entire colon removed. And, you know, this was in 2005, so there's the end of my bodybuilding career ride kind of move on, do something different.

[00:03:15] Um, I had a nearly me and, you know, so later they reversed that. And then I had some, some issues with some, and I had some more surgeries, but, uh, Hey, I kept fighting and I kept training hard and I bounced back and I actually won my pro card after all that happened. I think some people assume I want to before that happened, but.

[00:03:37] I actually wanted after that happened. And, um, you know, so that was a, uh, real unique thing that happened to me. And, you know, I thought I was kind of in the clear, and then as you mentioned in may, May 11th, I had an issue this year that may or may not be related. Um, and I was training, you know, all the gyms were locked down back in [00:04:00] may, if you remember.

[00:04:01] And, um, I was training in the little garage and I was just doing a light workout. Felt some pain in my quest, then I was, uh, out of breath and I knew something was wrong. And then my arm started kind of tingling. And I was like, Oh man, this is not good. Like, this is, these are the telltale symptoms of a heart attack.

[00:04:19] Right. So we call the ambulance and they took me right into the Caspian and in the hospital. And he said, yeah, you're left anterior descending artery, the big daddy, the widow maker, the percent block from a blood clot. So they gave me, they didn't remove it. They gave me IV heparin and it melted it. And, um, you know, so the hope has been okay.

[00:04:43] You know, I survived that it was a close call, you know, hopefully there wasn't too much damage to my heart, but there's some recent things that I think probably you and the knowledge you have, you're probably gonna find this pretty interesting. I'll try to keep it short. I feel like I've been talking already for an hour.

[00:04:57] Carl Lanore: [00:04:57] No, don't keep it short talk, talk. It's your show.

[00:05:00] [00:05:00] John Meadows: [00:05:00] Okay. So, um, after, uh, about, uh, see, it was, I think it was six weeks after the initial heart attack I went in and I felt great. I took 16 days off out of the gym. I was very tired after the heart attack. I was really tired. That's the most tired I've ever been in my life.

[00:05:16] And, um, I got back into the gym very slowly, very easy cardio, a little 15, 20 minute walks, very lightweights. And over the course, you know, of another. Um, several weeks I was training pretty good. And I was feeling excellent. So I went back in to get my checkup and I was expecting to the cardiologist to say no, and everything looks great.

[00:05:40] You're fine. I'll see you six months. And okay, so I'm sitting there and, and, you know, I had an echocardiogram done by the way. And so I'm waiting on the results and he sits down and he says, how are you feeling? I said, I feel great. He says, are you out of breath at all? I said, no, he's like, How's your workouts.

[00:05:59] Are you still [00:06:00] working out? I said, yeah. I mean, I've been training really hard and he's like, are you sure? Like, how's your performance? I said, I feel as good as I would before all this happened. Well, to be honest with you. So he just, he's proud of me. I'm like, look, man, I feel great. Like there's nothing, nothing feels off.

[00:06:16] So he said that, well, you know, your objection fraction is 30 to 35%. And um, you have a blood clot in the apex of your left ventricle. So. He said when you had your heart attack, you know, the apex, for those of you that don't know where it's at, it's the bottom or your left venture for him. He said it was

[00:06:34] Carl Lanore: [00:06:34] the point.

[00:06:35] John Meadows: [00:06:35] Yes. And blood's not flowing. So now you have a clot in there and your injection fraction is very bad. And he said, you know, now picture this, like I'm sitting there and I'm feeling great. And he says, you know, at any time, now that clock could move and you can have a stroke. You know, your objection, fractures so bad at any time.

[00:06:55] Now you can go into arrhythmia and you can die. And I would recommend you get a [00:07:00] defibrillator implanted in your chest. So I'm like, Oh my God,

[00:07:06] Carl Lanore: [00:07:06] what was your rejection fraction?

[00:07:08] John Meadows: [00:07:08] So it was 30 to 35%

[00:07:10] Carl Lanore: [00:07:10] per visit. 35 below 35 is when they say that you really need, uh, uh, auto defibrillator installed.

[00:07:17] John Meadows: [00:07:17] Yeah. 44.99.

[00:07:21] So. You know, I went from, Hey, everything. It feels great to him calling me. Basically I can die at any second. Right. So I call dr. Serana when I get out of the office, but I'm out there and I'm like, man, he's telling, I mean, like I'm going to die and dr. Serrano, or like, you know how I'm feeling. Right. And he's like, no, no, no, no.

[00:07:39] We'll get from other opinions, but read the report to me. So I got the report and they'd said per visual estimation, And dr. Ana said, dr. Toronto said, you know what? You should be getting an MRI. And probably I came around it. Or you could be getting a different scan that gives you more precise.

[00:07:57] Carl Lanore: [00:07:57] Yeah.

[00:07:57] Because the visual, visual, ejection fraction [00:08:00] could be way I could have a lot of margin of error.

[00:08:03] John Meadows: [00:08:03] Yeah. And so I got four more opinion. Uh, one of them was dr. Joel Kahn. Maybe you've read some of his books. He's world payments. He's up in Michigan. Um, I got, uh, an opinion from a friend of mine and followed my YouTube with the cardiologist in Australia.

[00:08:16] And they all were putting my telling me the same thing. They're all saying, you know, you don't to be taking the medication, which you all are for your blood clot and you know, your ejection fraction can still come back. You know, like you can't, you can't really, cause I asked the doctor, the original doctor, I said, You sure.

[00:08:34] Like he can't improve. And he said, it's been 90 days. It's not gonna improve. If it was one improvement would have already improved

[00:08:40] Carl Lanore: [00:08:40] stop here. Right? Like, cause I want the audience to know something. This is weightlifting saved my life. I had a heart problem and I saved my life by learning to lift heavy weight.

[00:08:55] There are two types of changes to the heart, this pathological and physiological. [00:09:00] When doctors look at somebody who has heart problem. They put you in the category of pathology immediately. Cause that's all they see. They see schlubs who sit on the sofa. They don't move. They have sleep apnea. It's uncorrected.

[00:09:11] They have high blood pressure. They have all these problems. Their heart gets blown out of shape, like a balloon. They end up with clots. They end up with rhythm issues. That's pathology. That means you're dying. You're pathological. It's just getting worse and worse. But those of us who lift weight, we experienced something called.

[00:09:28] Physiological changes to the heart. They look like pathological, by the way, w to the UN, to the untrained physic physician's eye. And most of them don't look deep enough. They look at the report and they go, Oh, this is pathology, right. They look at you and they probably think, Oh, drugs, and you know what else?

[00:09:46] But physiological changes to the heart are up regulations. They're leveling up. Of the heart. When Val salvia, every time you squat me, everybody in the audience, we squat, we start at [00:10:00] one 25 and over the course of a decade with squatting 500 pounds. Every time we do that, this, they go to the blood vessels, into the heart that go, this schmuck's going to do this again.

[00:10:09] Next week, we need to start increasing the strength of the plumbing we need to make the pump stronger. And that process takes years to happen. Those are physiological changes. The wall doesn't get thicker. The sinus gets bigger because it wants to handle more blood and a pathological heart. The sinus gets smaller because the wall gets sticky because this person isn't doing anything.

[00:10:30] So doctors, I said this to you off the air. They don't take into account the difference between someone who who's lives in athletic life and somebody who lives a schlub life. And that's a huge thing. The reason that you don't feel anything is because. Your heart is a super pump. It's already a super pump.

[00:10:50] You know, you look, you, you take a, you take a 250 horsepower engine and you detune it. And you lose 10% [00:11:00] horsepower. You're going to feel that you take a thousand horsepower engine and you de tune it and you lose 10% of your horsepower. You don't feel that because you got a thousand horsepower. So now you have nine.

[00:11:10] Okay. Big deal. Right? So the physiological heart. The heart that's undergone physiological changes can overcome. That's why he can't believe like, gee, your heart's not pumping. Right? You don't feel anything. No, because the part that is pumping right. Is doing the work for the part that's not pumping right already.

[00:11:28] So go ahead.

[00:11:30] John Meadows: [00:11:30] No, no, that's interesting here because that's exactly what dr. Serrano told me. He told me the same thing you're telling me. And one of my good friends, Scott Stevenson, he said the same thing he said. The doctor doesn't understand, like you've been training your butt off for literally 35 years.

[00:11:45] He doesn't understand the thousands and thousands of sets that you've done. Um, pushing yourself how well you can oxygenate your blood. Like he doesn't understand any of that. And you know, he's immediately telling me to get some of the device implanted into my [00:12:00] chest and I'm like, man, this just seems real.

[00:12:02] Like, like

[00:12:05] Carl Lanore: [00:12:05] that's what killed my mother. They put a pacemaker in my mother. No, not another auto defibrillator, but they put a pacemaker in my mother and that surgery is what she, she went downhill after that. That's not a, you know, they make it sound like it's no big deal. All we go in through your underarm and we put the, we put the electrode in your hallway, wait, you put a screw in my heart.

[00:12:24] Like you're telling me that this part of my heart is and beaten. What happened to the part that you put the screw with? Of course, there's necrotic tissue is damaged. If damage, I it's crazy what they do today. Isn't it? Anyway.

[00:12:35] John Meadows: [00:12:35] Well, I mean, I was so, um, shaken from it. I didn't even really talk to anybody for two or three weeks.

[00:12:43] I just thought, man, my life's over, you know, that's how much it scared me. You know, if it's just me, that's one thing. But you know, I've got a family, you know, so I'm hearing all this and. Luckily Serrano kind of walked me in off of the head and, um, that, that cardiac cardiologist in [00:13:00] Australia, uh, Peter, he was like, no, hold on here, this guy doesn't he just doesn't understand the situation here.

[00:13:05] So, um, anyway, so I, um, you know, I changed cardiologists and, um, fact I see surrounded today, actually in about an hour and a half, but I, so now what I'm doing is okay, I've got a cardiac MRI on Friday. That'll give us a better look, that'll show what's damaged and not damaged. And, um, you know, so I'm hopeful, but I'm like, I'm not making it up.

[00:13:30] Like the first cardiologist. He didn't, I don't think he even believed me when I told him how good I feel. I'm like, dude, I feel totally normal. Right. And I'm not saying there's nothing wrong. Obviously you saw blood clot or something there, but you know, there's medications that can fix that. Um, so, you know, we'll see what happens, but it was very, very, it was more scary, listened to him.

[00:13:50] I think, cause I keep hearing this voice in my head. I see him sitting in front of me and he's like, well, you know, you can die at any second now. Like I keep

[00:13:56] Carl Lanore: [00:13:56] hearing that you don't want to. I hate when they do that kind of stuff. I mean, I get [00:14:00] it. They have to tell you the severity, but it I've been through this.

[00:14:06] And I look back at it now. And I think con those doctors were just playing out jerks. Like, you know, if I could die, I could live another 30 years. I mean, how many people have ticking time bombs in their bodies? And they. And they, they don't die. So, so let me, let me ask you some more questions. So, um,

[00:14:25] John Meadows: [00:14:25] before you asked me, I'm gonna say one more thing.

[00:14:28] So you mentioned doctors, like what they blame things on. Initially, he was like, well, you know, I will take in testosterone and it must be able to test the hospital. And I said, well, doc, I've been on 200 milligrams a week for the last three years. He's like, well, yeah, that's the PrestaShop turn. I said, well, why aren't thousands of people just dying from clots in there?

[00:14:47] From blood clots and heart back. So it's 200 milligrams a week. Like there's tens of

[00:14:50] Carl Lanore: [00:14:50] hundreds of thousands of dollars. That's a legitimate HRT dose. That's not like a wink, wink, HRT dose. I'm taking 500 milligrams a week. That's a legitimate HRT dose. Yeah, [00:15:00] yeah,

[00:15:00] John Meadows: [00:15:00] yeah. 100. And he's like, well, you need to come off of that.

[00:15:03] And I said, I'll tell you what, it's going to be bad. I will for you for a short period of time, but I'm telling you it's going to be bad. So I went off of it and surrounded told me, don't do it. Don't come off of it. But I did. I said, I promised him, so I came off for four weeks and I felt terrible

[00:15:17] Carl Lanore: [00:15:17] course,

[00:15:19] John Meadows: [00:15:19] which I knew was going to happen, but I was trying to prove a point.

[00:15:21] And I went back in there. My test level was, I want to say 55. And my free test was

[00:15:26] Carl Lanore: [00:15:26] like, okay. 50, 55 is low for women. Yeah. Five is low for women's testosterone, one 50, you know, nanograms some, some women 200 because. They, they have that. And a lot of them end up as athletes, 50 is low for a woman. So

[00:15:46] John Meadows: [00:15:46] that's horrible.

[00:15:48] I gave him four weeks. And when I told you this was going to happen, I feel terrible. And by the way, now my blood sugars are starting a little off. It started to get a little off. I mean, there's other things I said, I told you this was going to happen. [00:16:00] He's like, well, So anyways, I told Toronto and we, I went back when actually a hundred milligrams and at a hundred milligrams.

[00:16:06] I'm about 800 nanograms per deciliter.

[00:16:09] Carl Lanore: [00:16:09] That's actually that's at now. How long have you been on a hundred milligrams? I've

[00:16:13] John Meadows: [00:16:13] probably somewhere around seven, eight weeks now.

[00:16:16] Carl Lanore: [00:16:16] Okay. Alright. And if, so you, if you, if, so a lot of times when people go on, so a hundred milligrams of testosterone cypionate or an antique is 70% testosterone and 30% Esther.

[00:16:28] So you're really not taking a hundred milligrams, I'm taking 70 milligrams. But the problem is that, uh, both the  Ester released 50% of the D if you're doing intramuscular, sub Q is different. If you're doing an intramuscular, 50% of the dose hits you in four days and then the balance over the course of 24 days.

[00:16:49] So a lot of times people who, and don't forget as we get older, this is an interesting fact, how old are you now?

[00:16:57] John Meadows: [00:16:57] 48.

[00:16:57] Carl Lanore: [00:16:57] Okay. So I'm 62, the older you [00:17:00] get the body conserves testosterone, the number of testosterone receptors in the liver diminish with age. And this makes perfect sense because most guys over evolution didn't have testosterone cypionate so they were trying to conserve testosterone.

[00:17:14] So you flush less out. So us older guys can get away with lower doses and they can be effective. So that's good news.

[00:17:21] John Meadows: [00:17:21] Oh, I thought she would get a kick out of that. I just want to share that.

[00:17:24] Carl Lanore: [00:17:24] No, I know. Okay. So, um, the, so it sounds like you may have a little bit of a, a blood issue it's clotted before it's clotting again, have you looked into that yet?

[00:17:36] John Meadows: [00:17:36] Well, you know, we've looked at faculty five laid and all these, um, kind of Venus press. I haven't had all the arterial tests done yet. That's like the Antipuesto lipid test and the lupus something test. I honestly have not had all those done yet. Um, So, you know, we'll be, but I am taking eloquence and baby aspirin.

[00:17:56] Now the baby, the baby aspirin probably be the rest of my life. And I really don't [00:18:00] care. Like whatever it takes to be healthy. And it's fine with me. It doesn't bother me like by seven, I feel great. I only, so I don't have any side effects or anything.

[00:18:08] Carl Lanore: [00:18:08] Yeah, sure. I take one baby aspirin at night. Most people have heart attacks in their sleep, so I take it at night and.

[00:18:14] It's just, it's just an antiinflammatory mean. People are down in tumeric and ginger. Oh, this is antiinflammatory. Well, so was aspirin aspirin before they made it. What it is today was just a, we're just treating bark. It was from tree, from a type of tree bark. Yeah, white Willow bark. And so, I mean, it's natural.

[00:18:31] I there's nothing wrong with that. And I think everybody would do good. We're taking a baby aspirin a day because even young people, you don't realize how much inflammation we have because of our environment, our food, that, the stuff they spray on our food and everything. That's it. That's it. That's a good move.

[00:18:44] I think for most people it's a good move.

[00:18:47] John Meadows: [00:18:47] Yeah, I, yeah, I think so too. And I take it at night just like you do, because I think clotting tends to be real much more robust early in the day, early in the month. Right.

[00:18:56] Carl Lanore: [00:18:56] Do you snore?

[00:18:58] John Meadows: [00:18:58] No, I never really [00:19:00] have, well, probably back in about 2000, 2001 idea, but that's when I used to get up to like two 60, but that was a very short part of my career.

[00:19:08] I never let my weight get that high again. So I haven't really snored in probably almost 20 years.

[00:19:14] Carl Lanore: [00:19:14] So for those of you listening or watching the show, snoring is not natural. Any kind of snoring is not natural. Uh, if you're snoring, gentle obstruction of an airway is sending a signal to your body and your brain that, Hey, we could lose air at any minute and this raises adrenaline, but it also raises a protein called D dimer and D dimer will fit in the blood very quickly.

[00:19:36] People have untreated sleep apnea. They stroke, they die of heart attacks. But the underlying causes blood clots, uh, because when you snore it thickens your blood. So that that's the only way I was just kind of fishing, you know?

[00:19:50] John Meadows: [00:19:50] No, that's a good question. That's a very good question.

[00:19:53] Carl Lanore: [00:19:53] So now you're back to, are you, are you training as hard as you did before?

[00:19:59] Are you still [00:20:00] a little gun shy?

[00:20:02] John Meadows: [00:20:02] Um, here's the thing that, here's the struggle. Here's what goes through my head. So I'll do like a hard set of legs. And I'll be a little bit out of breath and I'll be, Oh, no, it wasn't my heart, no. A hard set of leg does make you a little bit out of breath. Like that's totally normal.

[00:20:17] Right. But I haven't posted in my head. And so in my training, hard, I would say I'm training hard enough to most people would think it's crazy hard, but I leave a little bit in reserve. Um, just because I have that fear in my head now. You know, I had a couple of guys, a couple of young guys come and train with me last week and we did back and we did a really, what I think was a very hard back workout.

[00:20:37] And like, they're like, you know, why are we sweating so much? And we're tired and you're not even breathing. Or like, you're not even that tired. I'm like, well, this is normal for me. This is a normal workout. I'm not doing anything special. Right. So I think my kind of normal workouts are still pretty, pretty intense.

[00:20:54] Carl Lanore: [00:20:54] I call it old man strong, you know, I did a little photo shoot the other day and, um, [00:21:00] And so I did some, uh, I haven't done any, uh, dumbbell rowing at all and actually I'm in the worst shape of my life. I'm actually getting, um, I I'm, I'm getting help from a friend of yours, uh, bill Toko. Oh yeah. With my, I went with my diet and I'm going to try to recapture.

[00:21:18] I had a couple surgeries. I've had a lot of injuries and they just derailed me for a couple of years. I've lost all my lower body strength and muscle mass. In fact, my pants fall off cause they have no ass anymore. So it's just, it's horrible. But, um, I just grabbed a couple, a hundred pound dumbbells and I just started rowing them.

[00:21:36] And you know, I'm not leaning on a bench. I mean, I got one hand on my knee and I'm bent over and I'm rowing him and the photographer goes. Can you hold it, like, can you stop at the top? And I'm saying, yeah, sure. And I stopped and I'm like holding it there. Like now it's like, it's probably like 10 seconds.

[00:21:50] I'm like, can I let it down now? You know? But I've been blessed. I've been blessed with strength and I'm hoping it's going to get me back to where I was, but I call it old man strong, you know, [00:22:00] those of us who've trained long for long enough. We can elicit that strength when we need to. So what about cardio?

[00:22:07] Do you do cardio.

[00:22:09] John Meadows: [00:22:09] I do. The only thing is, is I have a hard time getting my heart rate up into that one 41, 5,100. I mean, I, it takes the problem. The challenge I have Carl is I've got to go so hard to get my heart rate up. Sometimes it just literally burns my leg. It's almost like I'm doing a high rep set of leg presses.

[00:22:27] Like if I get on a piece of cardio equipment and I go hard, really hard, my legs are on fire. Like for instance, a treadmill. I have a hard time getting my heart rate any higher than 110 on the treadmill. And people are like, well, just crank up the incline. And I'm like, yeah, but then my calves burn so bad.

[00:22:44] All I can feel pain and burning. That's not the effect I'm after. So I do do cardio. And when, I mean, obviously after a heart attack, they put me on a beta blocker, which, which, you know, brings everything down too. But, um, So I do do cardio. Yeah.

[00:22:57] Carl Lanore: [00:22:57] So what was it hard to get [00:23:00] your heart rate up before this cardiac event?

[00:23:03] You, you do realize that that is, uh, that is a very powerful, wonderful thing, right? That means that your body is so conditioned and so efficient at distributing oxygen and feeding the muscles that your heart rate doesn't have to. I mean, People strive for that. I have a, I have a good friend, Ron Penner, the guy who started quest and, and he works hard to make, to get his resting heart rate down and to get all that stuff.

[00:23:31] Because for some reason, he, I mean, the guy is super fit, super strong, but that's been a goal of his to get his resting heart rate down. And, and, but you have that, obviously I'm, I'm thinking your, your resting heart rate is what in the fifties.

[00:23:45] John Meadows: [00:23:45] 58 59.

[00:23:46] Carl Lanore: [00:23:46] Yeah. That's what I figured. If you can, if you can't get on a treadmill and get your heart rate up, you know, quickly till like a one 41 50, then you're, you're super conditioned.

[00:23:55] That is another thing that helped you survive this event, you know, [00:24:00] um, as in guys, not as fit and strong as you would have died from that heart attack, how long did it take for you to get to the hospital?

[00:24:09] John Meadows: [00:24:09] Probably an hour,

[00:24:10] Carl Lanore: [00:24:10] dude. Mussel saved your lives. Your life muscle saved your life. Your training saved your life.

[00:24:17] If you're just the average slug, you're dead. If they're there whacking you with the paddles and trying to revive you on the way to the hospital, but because your heart is so used to those leg sessions that. This heart attack. Couldn't take it down. It was like, okay, we're just going to work through this.

[00:24:33] Cause that's what you do. When you got that weight on your back, the Valsalva is going up. Your blood pressure is going up. Your heart is fighting to keep beating you. You, you actually trained to live through a heart attack when you think about it.

[00:24:48] John Meadows: [00:24:48] Yeah. Yeah. That's an interesting perspective. Yeah.

[00:24:51] Carl Lanore: [00:24:51] Um, so.

[00:24:53] Are you going to change your training moving forward? Or is your goal to like, if you can get your ejection fraction up. And I think like [00:25:00] in the fifties is supposed to be good. Right? Right. So are you, uh, if you can get your ejection fraction and then let's say you go and you have the, the MRI and they say, you know, your injection fraction is 52.

[00:25:14] Now, do you have any necrotic tissue? Did they say you have any tissue? That's not functioning in the heart? Any water?

[00:25:20] John Meadows: [00:25:20] That's what we find out with the MRI. That's exactly what we're looking for. Okay. So I don't right now. I don't know. But that's what, that's what that MRI will tell us.

[00:25:29] Carl Lanore: [00:25:29] Yeah. Uh, so apparently, uh, bill Toko was watching now.

[00:25:32] He says his sleep ring and mouth guard has really helped him not snoring anymore. And yeah. So, uh, everybody should track their sleep one way or the other. Do you track your sleep? I'm just curious.

[00:25:44] John Meadows: [00:25:44] Yeah. You know what I don't, but honestly I've never had an issue with sleeping. It's been one of the things that the only issues I had Carl was after I saw the doctor, because I was three doesn't want to die like that.

[00:25:57] I had to actually take Ambien for 30 [00:26:00] days because I was so freaked out. My mind would put there and go crazy at night. Um, and now I'm back to normal now, but. I went very blessed with sleeping. I really haven't had any sleep issues over the year.

[00:26:11] Carl Lanore: [00:26:11] Yeah. So if you come back and they say, Hey, um, your, your ejection fraction is fine.

[00:26:17] We don't see any necrotic tissue. The heart is beating. It looks good. You, are you going to go back and try to continue to progress in your training? Or are you happy where you are at this point in your life? Like, do you need to be stronger? Do you need to be more muscular?

[00:26:31] John Meadows: [00:26:31] That's a great question. Um, I don't really have any strength goals.

[00:26:36] We have some numbers that I like to see. Like I like to see the Bible inclined for sets of a, like,

[00:26:41] Carl Lanore: [00:26:41] there's just something about how much

[00:26:43] John Meadows: [00:26:43] up to 75% of a pony inclined. Like I like to be around there. I like to be able to get on. I don't do barbell squats anymore, but I use a spider bar, which is kind of a combination of a cambered bar and a steak people are able to put, you know, three [00:27:00] 50 on there and do a set of a, you know, I like to be able to, so I have some kind of things I like to be able to do, but I don't have a log book where I'm saying I got to get stronger.

[00:27:09] That's like, that's not where I'm at. I'm you know, about 212 pounds now I'm in really good shape. I don't want to weigh a lot. I don't want to wait to 40 to 50. I like to be lighter. I feel more athletic. I do a lot of stuff with my kids. So, um, I like to train hard, but I don't, I'm not really pushing the bigger, like my goal wasn't to get bullied.

[00:27:31] Carl Lanore: [00:27:31] So you have no desire to compete anymore, do you?

[00:27:34] John Meadows: [00:27:34] No, not really. I mean, it's, you know, when you're a competitor, you've always got that in you, but. I mean, realistically, when I look at what would I actually get out of doing a contest? I mean, like I've done over 70 shows. I did, I did nine pro shows in two years.

[00:27:50] Like, you know, what else is there to do? You know? Um, I'm not good enough to win mr. Olympia. So just to be in a show to do a show, like, eh, I got plenty of other fun things [00:28:00] I'm doing with my life now.

[00:28:01] Carl Lanore: [00:28:01] Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Look, look, I want to take a quick commercial break. When we come back, we have more, if you have any questions and you're watching live on YouTube, please post them.

[00:28:09] Stay tuned. We'll be right back.

[00:28:17] We have a real superhero on the show today. John Meadows, John, just curious off the top. How did the mountain dog thing come up? Where did you get Malmo?

[00:28:27] John Meadows: [00:28:27] So I, um, I'm a big fan of Bernie's mountain dogs and. I've had this right. I don't have one right now. This is the first time in years. I haven't had a Bernese mountain dog, but I used to be on the forums back in 2006, 2007 around then.

[00:28:45] And my forum name was mountain dog one, which was just because I love Bernie's mountain dogs. And so I was talking about my thoughts on the X and Y and people started just calling out the mountain dog, uh, you know, nutrition or health training. [00:29:00] And it just kind of kept on. It just kind of grew its own life.

[00:29:02] And I was just like, okay, I'll just roll with it. I love mountain dogs. So, Hey, I'll just roll

[00:29:06] Carl Lanore: [00:29:06] with it while you on mountain, mind that muscle back then on the mind, the

[00:29:10] John Meadows: [00:29:10] muscle, no muscle professional muscle.com was mostly where I was at.

[00:29:16] Carl Lanore: [00:29:16] Yeah. So, um, as, as a former person who told was told at 39 years old, he would need a pacemaker because I had a dysrhythmia.

[00:29:27] My left side and right side of the heart was beating out of sync. And they said that I would die from it because eventually, well, my ejection fraction was very low. I was prone to blood clots, all that sort of stuff. And I just couldn't believe that I was so depressed. I'm sure you've gone through this there's moments of like, just my life is over like my life that I love, the way I love to live.

[00:29:53] Like I just have to not do that anymore. Yeah. And I read a book by Deepak Chopra called ageless [00:30:00] beauty, timeless mind. And the only thing I can tell you that I got from that book was every cell in the body is replaced with the new nuisance from six months. I'm sorry, from, from six, from six weeks to six months, bone tissue turns over the slowest heart tissue turns over relatively quickly.

[00:30:19] Um, Old cells die, new cells are put in their place. And I thought, okay, so I built this heart with six cells. How do I get those cells when they die to be replaced with good cells? Well, the first thing I learned about was physical culture and weightlifting, because that has the most profound physiological effects on building a strong heart.

[00:30:41] But I read a book that was sent to me by a Dell Moosa in Germany, and it was a book from Mmm. Um, From Merck and it was a symposium I'm going to, I'm going to get the PDF and I'm going to send it to you. I'm going to send it out. The book is like this thick and it was all the lectures at the [00:31:00] symposium transcribed.

[00:31:02] And one of the lectures was about GE neonatal gene sets turning them on so that the heart can be repaired. And one of the, one of the studies, they took a aortic clamp on road. And so that's how they create back pressure to create changes in the heart, like cardiomyopathy and so on. Um, and then they, uh, took one group and they applied the aortic clamp and they injected them with saline.

[00:31:32] The other group, they applied the area with a clamp and they inject them with IGF one. And IGF one has the ability to turn on neonatal gene sets in the heart and actually withstand the damaging effects of hemo of those haemodynamic changes. Yes. And then they showed others that they showed when they show how, uh, so, so the tissue necrotic tissue changes the way [00:32:00] the cells aligned up.

[00:32:03] And, and it becomes like almost like striated muscle instead of smooth and applying IGF one actually can reverse that. So would you ever consider talking to your doctor or dr. Serrano, I've heard his name a lot over the years, dr. Eric Serrano, right? Right. I mean, you need to, I'm going to send you this PDF of this book.

[00:32:26] It's a big book. I'll find it this week and I'll send it to you. Um, but maybe talk to him. What about using, uh, uh, therapeutic doses of growth hormone?

[00:32:37] John Meadows: [00:32:37] Well, he actually wants me to do therapeutic doses of growth hormone, and that's exactly what I do.

[00:32:42] Carl Lanore: [00:32:42] There you go. There you go.

[00:32:43] John Meadows: [00:32:43] Yeah.

[00:32:45] Carl Lanore: [00:32:45] Yeah. Profound effect on healing and fixing the heart.

[00:32:48] In fact, um, there was a study I read probably 15 years ago that showed that a single shot of , which is a ghrelin, but it still raises gently raises growth hormone. [00:33:00] Within six hours. Yeah. Within six hours of an ischemic event protected the person from actually developing, uh, uh, the changes in the heart from the heart attack.

[00:33:12] And the other thing that does that is timeless in beta for right. I actually think I sent you some information, uh, message you, what would you be open to experimenting with some of those things?

[00:33:24] John Meadows: [00:33:24] Well, uh, I come down ahead of you here because I did, I used the time, the data, um, and I use the BBC one 57 and I actually got it from the clinic you recommended.

[00:33:34] I, I did do that. And, um, I will do that. And, um, I asked dr. Serrano about the GH and he said, yeah, I want you on a very small dose, but a small dose will be very beneficial for your heart. So I do, excuse me. I need to, I use findings

[00:33:49] Carl Lanore: [00:33:49] that's me. That's the, that's the AFRM method. That's the anti aging method.

[00:33:52] Two I use and that works perfectly cause the vials of 10 I'll use. So the other thing is, uh, [00:34:00] I've been talking about this a lot lately. Um, I'm nine days, caffeine free and that's a big deal for me cause I've abused caffeine for, for decades now. Um, and so I've had to come up with different alternatives for pre-workouts.

[00:34:14] Dr. Stephen, Stephen Sinatra wrote the Sinatra protocol. So,

[00:34:20] John Meadows: [00:34:20] so,

[00:34:21] Carl Lanore: [00:34:21] uh, Seattle L-carnitine de ribosome magnesium and cocuten, but I found if you add niacin to it, like slow release niacin it's okay. It's an amazing, I mean, I get into the gym now without caffeine and I trained harder than I did with caffeine.

[00:34:38] Are you using any of those as well?

[00:34:41] John Meadows: [00:34:41] So I used, um, the Rubik when I use the cocuten, I actually use more than they told me to use. I actually use 600 milligrams a day.

[00:34:49] Carl Lanore: [00:34:49] I can't believe it. That's funny. Yeah, I do too.

[00:34:52] John Meadows: [00:34:52] I use three grams of Mel McQueen and I used 10 grams of Ribos before I trained in 10 grams, before I do [00:35:00] cardio the magnesium I had to back off on because of giving me diarrhea so bad.

[00:35:04] Um, um, and the other thing that the, um, The niacin I take at night. And what I do is I take my baby aspirin. And then about an hour later, I take my nice in and I eat a green Apple, and I have no flushing criminal at all. When I do

[00:35:19] Carl Lanore: [00:35:19] that now, are you taking normal nicotinic acid or are you taking the time release one?

[00:35:24] You know, the 500 milligram that slow release.

[00:35:27] John Meadows: [00:35:27] I'd take the slow release one.

[00:35:28] Carl Lanore: [00:35:28] Yeah, that's great. Yeah. That's okay. Yeah. So you're really on top of this. I mean, you've done your research. Man

[00:35:35] John Meadows: [00:35:35] I'm on top of everything. Um, what's funny is I'd never heard of the Sinatra guy. And then I was talking with the Joe Kahn.

[00:35:42] Who's the, a very well known cardiologist up in Michigan. And I told him, I said one regimen. He was like, did you get that from Sinatra? I was like, no, I got from Serrano's righto sent me a really good paper on. A really good paper on stuff and looks actually help. And those were the things that were in the paper.

[00:35:58] Right. And they would promote other things in there [00:36:00] too. I think there might've been some Paul form in there too, some other things, but those were the main ones. Like the main one was a coat Newton carnitine. Um, now I take a pretty good dose of carnitine because I've never found it to be that bioavailable.

[00:36:12] And in fact, I, I considered getting some injectable carnitine. I actually used that for fat loss when I was competing. Um, but yeah, so that's what I've been doing actually. So.

[00:36:23] Carl Lanore: [00:36:23] So, um, what about your diet? Do you eat grains like pictures of you sometimes with the kids and you got the big, giant horse wheel, a pancake in front of you, did you eat a lot of grains?

[00:36:40] John Meadows: [00:36:40] I might, my diet is really, really clean. Um, when I have fun food like that, that just tends to be what I post pictures of. So everybody assumes that I eat. Um, you know, I basically basically like, I'll tell you, like, like I've got a, uh, an omelet, an egg white omelet with some Turkey. And I had a pancake with a couple of [00:37:00] days ago.

[00:37:00] That was actually the first pancake I'd had in probably three weeks. Um, but my diet, I eat a lot of fish. I had sardines last night. I love Cod. Um, I do eat chicken breasts. I have red meat once a week. Um, I eat a lot of oatmeal. I eat a lot of fruit, a lot of blueberries. I'm a big fan of blueberries. Um, my diet, I think is you would consider pretty clean.

[00:37:24] Carl Lanore: [00:37:24] Have you had your inflammatory markers tested?

[00:37:27] John Meadows: [00:37:27] Oh, sure. I'm always looking at CRP HS, CRP. I'm always looking at. Homocysteine Ivan look at myeloperoxidase all those things, all those things are within range.

[00:37:37] Carl Lanore: [00:37:37] Right. And do you take creatine?

[00:37:41] John Meadows: [00:37:41] I take creatine it's in my pre-workout supplement. Yes. I don't really take the pre-workout supplement a lot.

[00:37:47] Um, I take it usually on leg day or a chest day, but I don't take a daily. Um, I don't, I just like to feel that every once in awhile. Cause it feels really good. Like, I feel amazing. It, I don't want to be kind of like [00:38:00] addicted.

[00:38:00] Carl Lanore: [00:38:00] Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Cause when you chase it and you feel amazing every day, all of a sudden you don't feel amazing from it anymore, you feel kind of worn out after a while.

[00:38:06] That's what happened to me.

[00:38:08] John Meadows: [00:38:08] Yeah. So, um, but I do take, I do take a little bit of creating with myself in that.

[00:38:12] Carl Lanore: [00:38:12] Now you, you have your own supplement line. It's a good chance to, to talk about it. It's called granite, right?

[00:38:18] John Meadows: [00:38:18] Yes, sir. Grant of supplements

[00:38:19] Carl Lanore: [00:38:19] and why that name granted because of the, how hard ground it is.

[00:38:24] John Meadows: [00:38:24] You know, I was just quiet. Think of we're. So honey, I'm kind of clowns in the stuff from an industry. And, um, I wanted to be the guy who you could count on as somebody who's reliable. And I think base over my actions in the industry the last 20 years, people would say I'm a pretty reliable, honest guy.

[00:38:42] Yeah. So I just liked the word granted because it implies, you know, a great foundation, something solid, something that's there. It's not. You know, what's the old, the, what's the Bible story about where you build your house on the sand or on the rock. So, um, that was [00:39:00] what I was trying to convey with that name.

[00:39:01] Carl Lanore: [00:39:01] Yeah. And now how many products do you have under that branding?

[00:39:06] John Meadows: [00:39:06] How many skews do we have? A, we have a couple of different pre-workouts. We have an intro workout. We have an extra car, but fat burner, a joint product. Um, we have, um, A non STEM pre workout that actually comes out either on Friday or Monday.

[00:39:21] Oh, wow. We've probably got about eight, eight or nine skews, something like that. And multiple flavors for each skew

[00:39:28] Carl Lanore: [00:39:28] and people can find that

[00:39:29] John Meadows: [00:39:29] This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.,

[00:39:32] Carl Lanore: [00:39:32] granted supplements.com. Very, very cool. Checking out. So with the, uh, with the addition of some of these, um, special. Added things, you know, like a growth hormone for the heart, which is very, very good for the heart and the supplements that you're using.

[00:39:49] Have you been back to that original cardiologist that scared the crap out of you about, you know, Hey, you could die any second.

[00:39:56] John Meadows: [00:39:56] No, I have not.

[00:39:57] Carl Lanore: [00:39:57] Yeah. Um, it's funny. [00:40:00] Doctors never know they got fired, right? You just don't come anymore. But if more people, if more people took the effort to say, Hey. I just want to let you know, like, cause you're probably going to deal with somebody else someday.

[00:40:14] You were wrong. Like you, you, you told me a lot of stuff. I had this exact thing happened because they doctor wants to put me on a blood thinner and I really didn't need a blood thinner, but he wanted to put me on a blood thinner and I let them know like I'm not coming back to you anymore because I think you're wrong.

[00:40:29] And that's my choice. It's my, I, I'm going to make the decisions that kill me. Not you. If I'm going to quit, if I'm going to die, it's going to be close to some decision I made, not the decision you made. So would you ever call the doctor and say, you know, um, you really didn't do me a service at all?

[00:40:46] John Meadows: [00:40:46] Well, like I'm not, I mean, I'm not like angry, I'm not mad.

[00:40:51] I mean, I think he probably just has a way he treats people and it's it's across the board. Everybody gets the same advice, no matter what their background is, but my, [00:41:00] but if I get a cardiac MRI, And it says my detection fraction is back. Or if I get evidence in the future, that's back, I will, I will get him message and it won't be anything mean or vindictive.

[00:41:11] It'll just be, you know, Hey doc, you know, you, you said after 90 days, it's impossible for me to recover and I am recovering. I have recovered. And here's the evidence. If you're, if you're, if you want a conversation on how I did this, I'd love to talk to you. Um, Um, I was planning on building out already and if it doesn't work and I die, well, then I'm not around.

[00:41:31] He was right. So, um, but I was planning. I was planning on that for sure. I mean, I it's, he made, you know, he may alter what he was and it may save somebody else's

[00:41:41] Carl Lanore: [00:41:41] life. It could be a learning moment for him.

[00:41:45] John Meadows: [00:41:45] Right. It could be. And I kind of, when I was in the hospital, you know, I was in a lot of pain and when he started going down the testosterone path, I kind of started thinking, okay, this is guy, who's going to treat me the same as everybody else.

[00:41:58] And he's got his way of doing things. [00:42:00] I kind of got that feeling, but then, you know, like I said, at the beginning of the show, when he just blanketly said, you need to get a defibrillator. That's when I was like, Whoa, hold on here. Like, you know, um, and I'm, you know, I educate myself. Thanks, Carl. I think it's important for people to understand is you got to take your health in your own hands.

[00:42:18] Like if I would've just said, or you would have just said. I'll just take what he says at face value. Okay. Go ahead and put the defibrillator in. I mean, then that's where I would be. And maybe it was the right decision. Maybe it wasn't, but I would always tell people, man, get second opinions, get third opinions.

[00:42:35] You've got to invest a little bit of time. You got to get educated. You know, some of that stuff, I mean, it's worth it's your life. Right? One thing I'd like to tell people is. The biggest experience that I've learned from this. And I hope other people that hear my story can learn. It's don't just take what they're saying at face value, educate yourself a little bit, talk to some other doctors, get some varying opinions and then come to a decision rather than just taking one [00:43:00] person's word that, you know, automatically is golden.

[00:43:03] Um, So, I'm glad I brought out of this more opinions or outside who knows,

[00:43:09] Carl Lanore: [00:43:09] you know, you may have had the defense put in, you may have thought, well, I gotta do this. I got a wife and I got kids and I can't, I can't be selfish. I got to do this. And those defibs go off by accident sometimes.

[00:43:21] John Meadows: [00:43:21] Y'all had it shocked the heck out

[00:43:24] Carl Lanore: [00:43:24] of it table with everybody, all of a sudden you're like, and they're like, what's going on?

[00:43:28] Wait a minute. My defibrillator by accident. It's like, really? What have you driving a car you like in the middle of a turn getting on the freeway and it goes off by accident. Forget about it. I want to take a last commercial break. When we come back, I want to talk a little bit about automotive sclerotic plaque.

[00:43:43] I want to find out if you found any. And we'll talk about that. We're talking with John Meadows, stay tuned. We'll be right back. You are listening to the superhuman channel. Don't hate us because we feel good.

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[00:44:36] Uh, the folks over at, uh, cerebral entertainment, uh, watching the show today. And, um, they said that they're really looking forward to today's show. And then I just got a text from Kirkland war Letty, who said, tell him, what is it? He says, tell John. That his video he did after his heart attack on supplements is why I got back using ribosome pre-workout [00:45:00] so there you go.

[00:45:00] So if I were to read that I would have known you were already on it. So let's talk about arteriosclerotic plaque. Did they find any plaque in your John?

[00:45:08] John Meadows: [00:45:08] So I've had, um, I had a calcium score test done a couple of years ago. And if you're familiar with that, there's four. Four scores that you get based on the artery that they look at, and mine was a zero, zero, zero in 18.

[00:45:22] My 18 was in there. Ah, it wasn't any of the left ones. It wasn't any other ones superior. It was in one of those, one of the right ones on 18 minimal. Um, so my total, I got some four was an 18, which, um, doesn't, you're not going to find any cardiologist to worry about an 18, went to get a hundred, 200, then you know, you've got some issues.

[00:45:43] Also had a transesophageal echocardiogram down where they literally stick a camera down your throat and your heart and look at it. And they said they, uh, found little, teeny, tiny amounts consistent with somebody my age, but they had zero concerns. I don't have coronary [00:46:00] artery disease. And so just not a factor.

[00:46:04] Carl Lanore: [00:46:04] So you, you do these types of tests often? It sounds like. Um,

[00:46:08] John Meadows: [00:46:08] Oh yeah.

[00:46:09] Carl Lanore: [00:46:09] So you're the atypical bodybuilder. Cause most bodybuilders, barely getting blood work done. So, I mean, you know, I

[00:46:16] John Meadows: [00:46:16] think I understand. I mean, when I was younger, I remember thinking I'm not getting blood work done cause I'm scared of what the results going to be.

[00:46:22] Like. You're just like, I don't want to see it. Luckily I started working with Sarano in 1999. He kind of made me do all that stuff. So I got a truckload of blood work, but. You know, for me, like while I'm, I wasn't raised by my mom, biological family, but my, or my, my mom and dad, my dad, um, I don't know who he is, but I heard he died of a heart attack.

[00:46:43] Like in early 14. I heard my, well, my bylaw mom, I noticed it that are late thirties. So I've always thought, you know, I don't have genetics working for me probably. So I need to be very careful about what I'm doing and. And also it's just the right thing to do. [00:47:00] You know, it doesn't mean it's going to prevent anything from happening.

[00:47:02] If it's your time, it's your time something's going to happen. It's going to happen. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't care either and be stupid. So I've tried to be, and I've tried, have not just for myself, I've tried really help others to kind of keep their eye on things and monitor things. I mean, I mean, I've had scans done.

[00:47:18] My liver has been clear. My kidneys, like everything has been, you know, tiptop, no issues at all. Right. So, uh, I put a lot of, um, effort into trying to play in one

[00:47:31] Carl Lanore: [00:47:31] piece. So, um, do you get out in the sun a lot, your fair skin? I'm thinking you don't.

[00:47:38] John Meadows: [00:47:38] Um, yeah, I mean, I have this year cause I coach football and it's been hot outside.

[00:47:42] Um, I'd probably should get out more than I do.

[00:47:45] Carl Lanore: [00:47:45] So

[00:47:46] John Meadows: [00:47:46] it knocked us or beaten it, beat me up on vitamin D like that's a key thing for him.

[00:47:51] Carl Lanore: [00:47:51] Yeah. But see, I was gonna say so, so, um, vitamin D is important. Don't get me wrong. I mean, I just wrote an article. I wrote an article in March [00:48:00] about the sun and vitamin D and COVID.

[00:48:02] And like before anybody was talking about it, I wrote this article and now everybody gets it. But anyway, um, yeah, but there's an, there's a hormone made in the skin that may be more important than vitamin D and conveying protective effects for the heart. Uh, so the hormone is called mulatto court and stimulating hormone.

[00:48:28] M S H. And it produces Mulana Courtin hormones, which make you tan. Right? Mulana tan too, is a synthetic form of melanocortin stimulating hormone. In fact, it's a thousand times stronger than the stuff that your body produces. You don't need a lot, but, uh, there was a study done seven years ago that I wrote about in my blog that showed that the transgenic rodents.

[00:48:58] Who that that would [00:49:00] design to develop arterial plaque when they would given a mulatto 10 to the body reabsorbed the plaque. Now, the reason for that is Milano tan too. And it's natural counterpart mulatto court and stimulating hormone are possibly one of the most powerful antiinflammatory agents in the world.

[00:49:28] Uh, every cell has four of these receptors, mulatto accordance, stimulating hormone receptors, they completely suppressed inflammation. So what I tell people and, and, and I've, I've had people literally tell me that they decided to move to sunny climates. When I did first talked about this years ago. And the doctor said that their plaque is gone.

[00:49:55] Like, so, so we're told not to worship the sun by the dermatologist who CA they [00:50:00] have skin cancer, completely wrong skin cancer comes from your diet. It doesn't come from the sun. The sun is an unwitting and unwilling participant in the development of skin cancer. So this idea that, you know, for millions of years in evolution, we, we, we out in the sun now, all of a sudden Ono's sun is bad.

[00:50:17] Sun is bad, just like red meat is bad. Um, But the reality is that people who do have issues with plaque and, and, and here's an easy way to know if you have issues with plaque easy way. Okay. If you develop calculus in the back of your teeth, the lower teeth, right? Where your tongue sits all the time, then you have plaque inside your body too, because saliva is a natural filled trade of blood.

[00:50:42] And if you developing plaque on the back of your teeth, you're developing it in another area, areas of your body too. I guarantee that's true. I guarantee it's a fact, but with that being said, getting out in the sun once in a while, Maybe once or twice a week for a half hour here and have our, that can actually help you [00:51:00] reabsorb plaques.

[00:51:01] And if you can't get out in the side of your fair skin, then you don't want to get out in the sun because you, you get weird colored moles and stuff like that. Then a little tiny dose, 15 micrograms to 25 micrograms of Milano, tan to three or four times a week and give it about a year and you'll go back to the doctor and they'll scan.

[00:51:19] They'll go, man. I can't believe that plaque is almost gone. I don't know what you're doing, but keep doing it. No, just food for thought.

[00:51:27] John Meadows: [00:51:27] That's all. Yeah. Well, that's interesting. Um, I love getting it down the sign. It's just here in Ohio. It's not your realm, obviously.

[00:51:35] Carl Lanore: [00:51:35] Do you hunt?

[00:51:37] John Meadows: [00:51:37] No, I've never been a big Hunter.

[00:51:39] Carl Lanore: [00:51:39] It was good for deer. I was, I was, I actually almost bought, I almost bought a hunting lease up there this year, but I passed on it at the last minute. Okay. Um, so what do you want the fans to know about you, John, before we end this portion of the show?

[00:51:56] John Meadows: [00:51:56] I mean, basically I'm just wanting you guys. I mean, [00:52:00] Um, I wake up in the morning.

[00:52:01] I put my pants on just like you do. I have kids. I'm a dad. I own businesses. I worked my butt off. I worked in the corporate world, you know, my background. I worked in the corporate world for many, many, many years. And, um, you know, I was always told growing up in bodybuilding, well, you can't work a real job and bodybuilder, but I'm like, well then how am I doing it?

[00:52:20] Because I'm doing it. But I mean, I'm not an, I'm not as loud. I don't consider myself a very intelligent guy. I just do a lot of research. I've been around a long time and I talked to a lot of smart group boys around my stuff with smart people. Um, and that's pretty much it, but I think more than anything.

[00:52:38] There's my wife, huh?

[00:52:39] Carl Lanore: [00:52:39] Hi. Hi Mary it's Mary,

[00:52:40] John Meadows: [00:52:40] right? Yes. Hi Mary. Um, but you know, I think for me, like I was on a show the other day and he, and the guy asked me the same question and he said, what would you really want to get across to people? And I said, really it has nothing to do with nutrition has nothing to do with bodybuilding or way left thing.

[00:52:58] I just wish people would love each other [00:53:00] more. I just wish people would treat each other better. I wish people were more kind to each other. Um, I wish people weren't so quick to just, um, you know, just try to tear people down. Um, if I had a message, it'd be that it just be, I just wish people would love each other more and support each other more.

[00:53:18] And make the world a better place. I know that sounds corny, but that's what I believe. Yeah,

[00:53:23] Carl Lanore: [00:53:23] no, you're right. And you know, being insulting and sarcastic has almost become sport in our culture today. I mean, look at the people who get the most hits or the views, or they're always doing something rude to somebody and it's, you know, reminds me of, you know, my father taught me when I was a kid.

[00:53:41] He says, never make fun, never make a joke at someone else's expense. And as a result of that, I became very self-effacing. I ended up making jokes at my own expense because I felt like, well, I could do that. It's me, but it's true. And today we have too many people that are too willing to trash other people to become [00:54:00] popular.

[00:54:00] I, everyone that I know when I told them that you will come in on the show, they all said the first thing out of their mouth. Oh, he's a great guy. So that's a good legacy. That really is.

[00:54:11] John Meadows: [00:54:11] Yeah, that's good. And it's important for my kids too. Like I want to hear. When I'm not here anymore. I want people to say, man, your dad was a good guy.

[00:54:18] I want them to hear good things about me too. I mean, hopefully I'll be around when I can show them the way, but that isn't, that legacy is important to him.

[00:54:27] Carl Lanore: [00:54:27] John, thank you so much for being on the show today. It's we waited too long to do this. Thank you.

[00:54:32] John Meadows: [00:54:32] Well, Hey, just let me know when you want me to come on again.

[00:54:34] I'm glad to, this has been a great discussion for me too, so I've really enjoyed it.

[00:54:39] Carl Lanore: [00:54:39] Oh, let, uh, let's see. Steven Rogers just posted a great topic. Unfortunately, a lot of us lifters get misdiagnosed due to inexperienced physicians. The true. I remember, I remember I had to go to the ER for something and when they handed me my paper back, the doctor just assumed that I was on anabolic steroids.

[00:54:58] Like, she just added that to that. And I [00:55:00] thought that's in my purse by record for the rest of my life now, because we didn't even talk about that. I was there for something I had, I fall, it fell off a bike and I had a deep, deep vein thrombosis because of, I was mountain biking and I hit, I hit a hard rock and it was probably, and I'll never forget it.

[00:55:15] She said it's probably from a veterinarian. Like where did that even come from? Anyway, John, thanks for being here, brother. Take care of, stay safe and stay healthy. Everybody loves you, man. All right.

[00:55:26] John Meadows: [00:55:26] Thank you, Carl. Thank you very much.

[00:55:28] Carl Lanore: [00:55:28] Thank you. We're going to take a quick commercial break. And when we come back, I'm going to give you the update on my struggle with the drug caffeine.

[00:55:38] It's really interesting. What I'm going to talk about when we come back. So stay tuned. We'll be right back with more superhuman radio. We use oxygen for the power of good.

[00:55:49] Welcome back. Those of you who have been following the saga of Carl and caffeine has been going on. Well, shortly after the show started, [00:56:00] I've kicked caffeine and it. Came back. It's uh, it's uh, it's like, I'm a heroin addict. I, I give it up for awhile and then I think, Oh, you know, I didn't sleep good last night.

[00:56:12] Ah, I just have a bang energy drink or I'll have a cup of coffee. And then the next thing, you know, a week later I'm having a bang energy drink and a cup of coffee, and then I'm having a cup of coffee and two bang energy drinks a day. And then I'm having three bang energy drinks a day, or I'm taking caffeine, anhydrous tablets.

[00:56:32] Um, it's been hard for me to kick caffeine. It's really been in my life for a long time. And I realize now that it's actually damaged me. It really has because there's times where I probably shouldn't have trained that I did anyway. I took my body hostage and made it do the work that I shouldn't have done.

[00:56:54] So. Today is officially nine days. I thought it was 13, but it's nine. Today is officially [00:57:00] nine days caffeine free. And I can tell you that about four days ago. Um, so when I first stopped the caffeine, I felt horrible. It was like two or three days. I just couldn't move. I felt so weak. Like I couldn't activate the muscles.

[00:57:19] Uh, this past weekend I trained. Um, four days I trained legs, a back check, BA a chest and shoulders and then legs again. And then I took off today because I, I didn't sleep good last night. I I'm in bed at nine o'clock. I am such a boring person. I don't have any social life. Um, I just love being with Lisa.

[00:57:49] I'm very, very happy with that, but I'm in bed at nine o'clock every night as a rule. I like to read a little bit and then doze off to sleep. However, last night I stayed up to watch [00:58:00] the debates and I wish I didn't to tell you the truth. I wish I didn't, because it's just the atrics, you know, everybody's made the decision on who they're gonna vote for.

[00:58:10] Nobody made him change any minds after watching that be honest, that this country is so divided that there's nobody. Scurrying across the, the, the line back to this party, to that party. And I really should have just gone to bed at nine o'clock, but I stayed up and then by the time I got in bed and by the time I did my red light therapy, and by the time I read a couple articles, uh, Hey, Peter Rouse is here.

[00:58:39] Hey, Peter. Good to hear. Good to see you. Um, by the time I did all the things I do before bed, uh, drink my potion. You know, I have a magnesium, a glutamine, uh, deglycerized licorice drink that I make. I take my shots. I take, uh, uh, [00:59:00] 66, uh, our use of oxytocin. It's a Whopper, by the way, it gives you a head rush.

[00:59:05] Um, I take, uh, 200, 120 milligrams, micrograms of both  and  well, 95 and I take a half a milligram of mechanical growth factor to go to bed. I, by the time I do all that stuff, it's midnight. And I finally got to sleep at midnight, take care of Brian. Um, I finally get to sleep at midnight. And, you know, it's not, I'm not one of those people that, because I went to sleep late, I can sleep in.

[00:59:35] I used to be able to do that when I was young, but no matter what I do, I, I get, I wake up five 30, six o'clock in the morning. And so. I didn't have any sleep, really any quality sleep. And I told Alyssa, I says, man, you know, this is where I go wrong. This is where I go. I need caffeine to get through the interview.

[00:59:54] I need caffeine to, and I, I didn't do it to, if I was going to, if I was going to cave [01:00:00] today was the day it really was. And I didn't do it. And I really feel strongly that today is the turning point for me. I am not going to need caffeine anymore. My training sessions have been. So great. In fact, I've come to the conclusion that caffeine didn't help me anymore.

[01:00:20] And the reason for that is I feel like caffeine hype me up too much, too much adrenaline, you know, and you're almost like frenetic and, and, and now I'm like so much stronger all of a sudden than I have been in awhile. And I've been, I just recently switched to. Uh, body part training. I have a leg day. I have a pull day and a push day.

[01:00:48] And as I get stronger and stronger in those, then I'll probably segment them a little bit more. But I mean, I just trashed my legs. I just trashed my back. I haven't [01:01:00] been able to feel that way. Where the muscles really, that, that productive feeling, where your muscles feel like you really did something good to them in a long, long time.

[01:01:10] And now I'm starting to think it was because of caffeine. So if you have gut problems, if you're bloated all the time, I'm not bloated anymore at all. I don't belch in the morning when I wake up, I don't, I don't feel bloated after I eat meals. I mean, stuff that used to blow me, doesn't blow me. It's because I've gotten caffeine out.

[01:01:30] I'm telling you. And I've heard this as the most common thing. Since I started talking about getting caffeine, I've gotten messages from people. And the one thing everybody says is, Oh my, I used to have horrible pains in my stomach. They're gone. I used to have horrible bloating and it's gone. Everybody complains about bloating.

[01:01:49] Are you drinking coffee? Are you taking caffeine? Are you using caffeine drinks? Because your stomach problems may be related to that. Caffeine affects the Vegas nerve. It [01:02:00] affects digestive motility. It makes sense that it's going to make you feel bloated makes sense. It opens up the esophageal sphincter and allows GERD to a car.

[01:02:13] But I really do feel like this is it for me. I am not going to need caffeine anymore because if I was going to use it, it would have been today because I woke up this morning and I felt like somebody hit me in the head with a frigging sledgehammer. I said to Alyssa, I don't know how I'm going to get through today.

[01:02:27] And not only did I get through today, but I actually feel more calm. Someone said to me, uh, in a post on YouTube, That they can always tell when I'm using caffeine and when I'm not. Because when I use caffeine, I interrupt the guests too. Watch love. He still loves the show he said, but he can tell. And I, I am definitely so much more mellow right now that I I've stopped taking, using caffeine.

[01:02:53] I'm telling you, give it a try. If you are somebody who depended on caffeine for a long time, you got to have your coffee. And if you have somebody who [01:03:00] says, Oh, I gotta have my coffee in the morning. Get started. That's a sign. So I'm not using anything right now, not nootropics nothing, because I just want to get my body back to baseline to where it would be without any type of chemical influence at all.

[01:03:18] I'm not, I was going to start microdosing. I'm even going to put that off probably for about a month and then I'm going to start microdosing again. But I really think caffeine is a big problem in our. Population today. And I think that a lot of people don't understand it because they haven't been without it long enough to feel the differences.

[01:03:41] I wonder what they gave Joe to keep him awake during the debate. I have a theory on that. It's funny. You should say, I think they put Joe on the ketogenic diet. I think maybe they got him some, some ketone esters. Uh, he definitely looks leaner. And we [01:04:00] know that ketones take people with dementia right out of it, right out of it and put them, make them more, more, uh, cognizant and cognitive.

[01:04:10] So I, my bet is it's not drugs. I'm betting that they put them on the ketogenic diet and they give them ketone esters. That's mine. He says, just woke up drinking my coffee. Well, it works for you. Some people don't, they're not affected by it, but it definitely doesn't work for me anymore. And I feel a lot better without it.

[01:04:33] But anyway, so I will keep you posted. I will not fall off the wagon this time. I will not use caffeine again. And if I was going to, it would have been today. I was walking through the grocery store, picking some things up to bring here, to eat. And I walked right past the bang energy drink, and I looked at it and I said,  not doing it.

[01:04:52] And I just kept on going that's willpower because I'm an, I'm an addict when it comes to caffeine, right. We have [01:05:00] a good shows the rest of the week. I hope you can tune in live. Please share the shows, help other people learn, learn the things that you already know. And we will see you tomorrow with more superhuman radio.

[01:05:12] Remember. Muscle is metabolic currency. So get into the gym and make a deposit today. See you tomorrow. [01:06:00] .